Re: X flickering
jack wrote: I'm running testing (etch) on x86. About a week ago, possibly Wednesday 16/11 (sorry, I can't be more precise), after updating my packages, I've started having problems with flickering in X. The trouble is, I can't pinpoint the problem down. I'd be happy to file a bug report, if only I could understand what's wrong. Just as a test, I'd change my resolution or color depth; see if that has any affect. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable
Michelle Konzack wrote: Hey guy, we are using GNU/Linux and backups are only for wimps. Our power OS does not need backups. :-P I backed up my laptop computer the other day, about two inches. Had to in order to see it since since I got these bifocals -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WordPerfect 8.0
Ken Heard wrote: I have the Corel CDROM which has on it the WP 8.0. .deb package. There is however a dependency problem on which I would like some advice. The WP 8.0 package depends on only two other packages, libc5 and xlib6g. The former is still available from the Debian archive; so I was able to install it and its dependency ldso. The other dependency, xlib6g, is the problem. This one was created by Corel, and as far as I know it in now only available on the same CDROM which has WP 8.0. I was able to add it to my sources.lst by running apt-cdrom. I then ran a test install using aptitude. Aptitude listed the six packages it would conflict with, none of which I have or need. It also listed two dependencies, both of which I had already installed for other packages. However, when I ran a test installation with aptitude, it wanted to remove 175 other packages, including most of the KDE packages. I short, can I install xlib6g in such a way that it does not remove 175 other packages I need and use? If so, how do I do it? Assuming the xlib6g is a .deb file, I'd just try dpkg -i xlib6g.deb. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing default runlevels
Scott wrote: I've gathered Debian starts in run level 2 and from there X is started. How do I change the setting so that when I log in I don't go any further than a shell and if I want ex I just type startx and enter? I don't know why but Debian seems to be more cryptic when it comes to this and it's run levels are odd compared with other linux distros. I was browsing through /etc/inittab and found # Runlevel 0 is halt. # Runlevel 1 is single-user. # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user. # Runlevel 6 is reboot. So 2-5 are multi-user and I've gathered 2 is the defualt for running X. So then, can if I change it to 3, 4 or 5 will X not start then? Debian ships with runlevels 2 - 5 identical; it is up to the system administrator to do what he wills with the runlevels. As a general rule, if you don't want X to start automatically on boot-up, you can either disable, or uninstall, the relevant login manager (xdm, kdm, gdm, or wdm). -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing default runlevels
Mitch Wiedemann wrote: Kent West wrote: Scott wrote: I've gathered Debian starts in run level 2 and from there X is started. How do I change the setting so that when I log in I don't go any further than a shell and if I want ex I just type startx and enter? I don't know why but Debian seems to be more cryptic when it comes to this and it's run levels are odd compared with other linux distros. I was browsing through /etc/inittab and found # Runlevel 0 is halt. # Runlevel 1 is single-user. # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user. # Runlevel 6 is reboot. So 2-5 are multi-user and I've gathered 2 is the defualt for running X. So then, can if I change it to 3, 4 or 5 will X not start then? Debian ships with runlevels 2 - 5 identical; it is up to the system administrator to do what he wills with the runlevels. As a general rule, if you don't want X to start automatically on boot-up, you can either disable, or uninstall, the relevant login manager (xdm, kdm, gdm, or wdm). Or, instead of removing the display manager (*dm), simply remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S99*dm. That way, it'll still be there if you want it, but it won't start at boot time. Or edit the actual script /etc/init.d/?dm and put exit 0 as the first non-comment line in the file, which is one of my favorite methods of quickly disabling a script. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable
All Nicks Are Taken wrote: Hi. A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid (unstable) and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in some article.) Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a clean shutdown with nothing suspicious. Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed up. At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered that no partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I also found that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded. The messages at the booting stage contained lots of errors... I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also all the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the HD was ok, including /boot (and lilo.) But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has never happend to me. Here is my 'dmesg' output: http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg http://metawire.org/%7Ecrux/dmesg Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless... So, once you mounted all of your partitions, everything was normal? I'd double-check my /etc/fstab file, and if it looks fine, reboot again to see if the same thing happens. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unsubsrib
Steve Lamb wrote: I can count. It's called an hyperboolic approximation for humerous intent because I didn't feel like having an exact number. :P I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Start KDE from Normal User; Only from Root
David R. Litwin wrote: When I try to log in to KDE using KDM through my normal user, the screen goes black, then returns to KDM. This is indicative of X having crashed, since I told KDM to re-appear if that should happen. Loging in through a consle tells me that /etc/X11/X is not executable. I checked: It is a symbolic link to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg. I tried to copy that file directly to /etc/X11 and then rename it X, but it said some thing about not being able to read it and some thing to do with a symbolic link. So, I'm assuming there needs to be one and that some thing has happened so that the root can access it but not a normal user. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk ls -l /etc/X11/X lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 8 15:04 /etc/X11/X - /usr/bin/X11/Xorg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk ls -l /usr/bin/X11/Xorg -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1833048 Oct 29 21:56 /usr/bin/X11/Xorg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk ls -ld /tmp/.ICE-unix/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Nov 10 00:05 /tmp/.ICE-unix/ -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie
Bruce Hohl wrote: I have been running Debian Stable on a PC and Debian Testing on a PC for a few months. All is well. I have a few questions: 1- Compared to Debian Stable, Debian Testing has many more programs on the Gnome menu (many without icons). Will the next Stable release retain all these menu items? Or, will the next stable release retain a smaller list of menu selections like the current stable release? I suspect the difference is that you have more apps installed on the Testing box than you do on the Stable box. You might can install those apps on the Stable box and see their icons appear. Otherwise, as long as the apps don't disappear out of Testing by the time Testing becomes Stable, then yes, the next Stable release will retain all these menu items. 3- OpenOffice 2 was recently added to Debian Unstable. Is it likely that OpenOffice 2 will be added to Debian Stable. If so when? No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and the like. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Solved] Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4
David R. Litwin wrote: AFAIK What does that mean? As Far As I Know. There are sights that list the common acronyms. I don't have a link, but if you're interested, you can just google for it. BTW, btw is a TLA, just FYI. (Sorry.) There is another problem, though. KDE does not start under my normal user. When I try from KDM, X crashes because it brings me right back to the sign in screen (KDM). When I try to log in via console and do a startx (or startkde), it gives a list of things things which I wrote down but don't currently have. Essentially, it can't find display . I would think that, some how, my normal user is lacking an X server start file. But, I don't really know. I suspect, if you're running Sid, that you've run into a fairly common issue of /tmp/.ICE-unix file not belonging to root. chmod -R root.root /tmp/.ICE-unix should fix this is this is the problem. If KDM is running when you try to startx, you'll need to specify startx -- :1 or something similar, or stop KDM first to do a normal startx. Perhaps, since this is so different, I should start a new thread? Yes, probably. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Solved] Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4
Kent West wrote: There are sights ... D'oh! sites. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the keyboard work during the KDE setup? I would create a new user and log into KDE as that user, to make absolutely sure that the problem is not in your user's settings. (I doubt that's the problem, now, but still, it's an easy test.) Assuming the new user has the same problem . . . I'd check the KDE Control Panel / Regional Accessibility / Keyboard Layout settings. Then I'd google for kde keyboard to look for anything interesting. Hopefully others on this list will have better suggestions. -- Kent Thanks again Kent, The setup is done entirely with the mouse. I have no way to create a new user at this point, with no keyboard. IIRC, you said earlier that you can log into Gnome without this problem. So simply log into Gnome (or into console) to create your new user. I just saw another thread on the list that may be relevant: keyboard quit working after kde upgrade, testing. Mike Chandler writes: The problem is solve by doing: #apt-get remove --purge kdm #apt-get install kdm You might want to look at that thread to see if it's the same problem you're seeing. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
Mike Chandler wrote: It would go into gnome, but I couldn't create a new user there for some reason. So I just searched around and around till I found that KDM bit, which fixed the problem. That was me posting that thread, by the way. Ah, great. Then it's all working now? Whoo-hoo! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
Mike Chandler wrote: On Monday 07 November 2005 09:26 pm, Kent West wrote: I'd try firing up KDE as a different user (or, if you don't have any KDE settings you with to preserve, rename/delete ~/.kde and ~/.kderc and/or other KDE-related files in your home directory). in my /home directory I have a .kderc ...that is the only file like that I find. There is a folder named .kde...should I rename that too, as you suggest? Yes. When I referred to other KDE-related files, I was using the word files in the Unix sense, in that everything is a file in Unix. So, yes, rename the .kde directory also. Although as I've thought about it, I think I'd start by creating a new user and trying as that user first; that will take your settings completely out of the picture, not just your KDE settings. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openoffice woes
michael wrote: As far as I can tell both are versions 1.1-3.9 so I'm lost to what is going on... (not sure how to list the actual versions etc apart from using 'apt-cache show openoffice.org') ooffice --version -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I renamed all the .kde stuff in my home dir, and booted up...KDE setup walked me through the setup, but still- no keyboard. Any idea where to look next? Thanks. Did the keyboard work during the KDE setup? I would create a new user and log into KDE as that user, to make absolutely sure that the problem is not in your user's settings. (I doubt that's the problem, now, but still, it's an easy test.) Assuming the new user has the same problem . . . I'd check the KDE Control Panel / Regional Accessibility / Keyboard Layout settings. Then I'd google for kde keyboard to look for anything interesting. Hopefully others on this list will have better suggestions. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a File Server
White-Hat` (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: I wanted to set up a file server using Samba--I thought the idea of creating a small, home network using my old box's would be sort of neat. I'd hate to see them go to waste anyway. I'm pretty new to networking on Linux also, so feel free to give me any and all pointers towards any related subjects, not exluding security and telling me how stupid I am for doing something a certain way. I installed the base Debian, along with the file server packages. Then I went ahead and downloaded X and fluxbox for a light GUI, since it is an older machine. Which you might not want, since this is a file server rather than a workstation. You don't need X for a simple file server, and the additional packages just introduces complexity that increases the risk of a vulnerability/hole showing up in your server, not to mention the extra drive space it takes. I tinkered with the samba configuration file, putting in some options that another online site said I should. http://www.aboutdebian.com/lan.htm is the site if you're wondering (and by the way, the conf file looked nothing like the one listed there). Now my question is.. What next? What do I need to do to make sure it will correctly connect to the network? Do you mean the computer is not on the network? Or do you mean how do you make sure that the Samba setup is working? If the former, your NIC was probably recognized automagically. You may need to edit /etc/networking/interfaces to set up dhcp or static addressing; then you can (re)start networking with /etc/init.d/networking [re]start. This is probably unnecessary, as all this was probably done for you during the installation. Just ping something, or fire up a web browser, to see if you're seeing the network. What files should I edit? Any tips and pointers are definitely welcome. I would also like to know how to make SSH the default everything. Meaning, I want it required in order for someone to FTP to the box. aptitude install ssh for starters. ssh is, of course, not ftp. Don't install any ftp servers. Once ssh is installed, you can use sftp to ftp in. Hell, Shh. See Point 11 of the Code of conduct (http://www.us.debian.org/MailingLists/). any type of remote calling I want guided by SSH. Don't install anything other than ssh, and you should be pretty safe. Of course, there are some other firming up things you can do, but I don't have any references handy; google for debian security and you'll probably find all you need. I don't really entirely understand what you're asking for, so I've just kind of responded generically, but perhaps it'll give you some feedback for asking other questions that can get you closer to the info you want. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Reminder - Trimming Replies
(Apologies for playing List-Cop.) Several threads lately have included replies following long quotes. Whereas the replies are in the correct location (yea!), leaving all of the previous material as a quotation is unnecessary and has several drawbacks (which have been discussed multiple times before, making their enumeration here unneeded). Please remember to snip out irrelevant portions from posts to which you're replying. Thanks! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I have a good mouse, and the nvidia driver is working so X works fine. The problem is now, the keyboard doesn't work at all. It's getting so close, please help me fix the keyboard? Does the CAPSLOCK key activate the indicator LED? If you have a ?dm that allows you to log into the console instead of X, does the keyboard work in the console? If you don't have such a ?dm, if you can ssh in from another computer, you should be able to kill X/?dm, and then go to the first computer to see if the keyboard works in the console. This will let us know if the keyboard problem is in X, or deeper in the system. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
Mike Chandler wrote: Thanks so much Kentthe numlock light is on and stays on...you cannot turn it off. None of the other (caps lock etc) buttons do anything. (All this in KDE.) I think it has to do with the newer KDE version 3.4.2 which, when I dist-upgraded caused all the problems here... the reason I think that is I changed to the vesa driver again, and go into X with Gnome...keyboard works fine. So--- the keyboard works fine in Gnome, but not in KDE. I guess that sums it up. Ideas? I'd try firing up KDE as a different user (or, if you don't have any KDE settings you with to preserve, rename/delete ~/.kde and ~/.kderc and/or other KDE-related files in your home directory). The problem may just be user settings, instead of system-wide KDE settings. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how do I reinstall Mozilla?
Philippe Grenard wrote: Le Dimanche 06 Novembre 2005 09:13, Mark Grieveson a écrit : Hello. Mozilla is not working properly on my computer. How do I completely remove it (including the configuration files) and then reinstall it? When I've tried via synaptic, I'm told that all of gnome will be removed with it. Is there a way to just remove the mozilla browser? I'm using Sarge. to remove it completely : apt-get remove --purge mozilla to reinstall it : apt-get install mozilla This will not purge the user files, which may be where the problem lies. Rather than reinstalling moz, try starting it as a different user, or try renaming your~/.mozilla directory to get it out of the way; then see if Mozilla works properly. Also, you're not out of space on a partition, are you? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am able to get into X by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choosing vesa video driver, Ah, so your earlier suspicion that your woes were caused by video driver issues was correct, notwithstanding my suggestion to tackle the mouse issue first, which, by the log and symptoms described below, is also an issue. then manually selecting the mouse as gpm. It will go into X but there is no mouse movement. Here might be a good time to repeat one of my favorite X tricks. If you have a full-size keyboard with a separate number pad, you can use the number pad as a mouse in these types of situation. To turn on the feature, press Shift-NumLock. You'll probably hear a beep. To turn off the feature, press Shift-NumLock again. You'll probably again hear a beep. While in this mode, the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 keys are direction keys, moving your mouse pointer in that direction. The 5 key is a click key. The /, *, and - keys modify the click key to be left click, middle click, and right click. The 0 key is a click-and-hold; the Del key is a release hold. In effect it's useless, but seems like it's progress. I have the logfile here, it is huge so I only included what seems to apply to the mouse: Configured Mouse: Device: /dev/input/mice (**) Configured Mouse: Protocol: ImPS/2 (**) Option CorePointer (**) Configured Mouse: Core Pointer (**) Option Device /dev/input/mice (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device Configured Mouse (II) UnloadModule: mouse (WW) No core pointer registered As others have pointed out, you may have an issue with udev or hotplug. I'm afraid I'm too ignorant of these newfangled ways of doing things. I'd just manually modprobe interesting modules, until the mouse started working (again, here's a benefit of gpm; it's a lot faster to restart gpm to test the mouse than it is to start and kill X.) Some of the more interesting modules might be mousedev and usbmouse. So, # modprobe mousedev # modprobe usbmouse Does cat /dev/input/mice produce garbage now? If so, add these two module names to /etc/modules. Likely, those people who understand udev/hotplug will say this isn't the way to do it, and if they want to educate me about udev, I'd love to see a short explanation about what it is and what it replaces/obsoletes, and be thus educated. But this method should do in the meanwhile. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting cups
Joe Zien wrote: I installed deb 3.1 sarge and it is working fine but can't print a test page. On my libanet 2.8.1, a debian distro, when it boots up cupsys starting is shown. On sarge, the cupsys starting is not shown. How do I start cupsys in sarge? You probably don't have cups installed. I've never understood what needs to be installed for cups, but I think I've had success with: #aptitude install cupsys foomatic-filters-ppds cupsys-driver-gimpprint Rant I have no idea why printer drivers are in packages with such names as foomatic and gimpprint, which don't seem to give any indication that you probably want these packages even if you're not running the GIMP or know what 'foomatic' has to do with basic printing. Ah! Believing that even the description of these packages is uninformative to the uninitiated, I just double-checked the description on cupsys-driver-gimpprint and found that it's now transitional to cupsys-driver-gutenprint. Ah, now there's a package name I would have just untuitively recognized as being important for printing. (I hope you can recognize sarcasm.) This is part of the reason why printing still sucks on Linux. Why not have a package called cupsys-printer-drivers, and maybe a package called cups that is a virtual package upon which cupsys and cupsys-printer-drivers depends? Maybe there's a good reason, and I'm just being a whiner. Sorry. Debian is a great OS, and I very much appreciate the developers and package maintainers, but polish is still needed in some areas. /End of rant -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?
Basajaun wrote: I hope anyone in the list is more enlightened than me, and can make, for example, a brief comparison of Debian Etch and Solaris 10. _That_ would be way more usefull than just calling you naïve. I read something recently (wish I could remember where and what - probably comments on this Slashdot article - http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/0418234tid=90tid=106) that addressed some of this. What I remember was basically that the userland utilities were far better in Debian, but the kernel in Solaris was more robust, at least when you get to enterprise levels (of hardware, multiple processors, hotswapping hardware, etc). I've had a little experience with Solaris 10, and so far, I far prefer Debian. But then I'm not using enterprise level hardware or have enterprise level needs, which might make all the difference. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: busybox in debian
S guo wrote: Has anyone used the busybox in Debian? I read the introduction to the package BusyBox in Debian and thought it would be quite easy to use. However, I installed the package busybox, which is just BusyBox binary, and tried to run busybox --install in the directory where I would like to have the symlinks. Nothing happened! Hmm; for me, it generated a bunch of error messages. When I ran busybox ls, I got a file listing, albeit a bit slower than using the native ls. And that concludes my knowlege of busybox. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Solaris: The Most Advanced OS?
Heimdall Midgard wrote: I think it's time we emphasize the fact that Debian is not (just) Linux. Debian also comes in BSD and GNU/Hurd flavors. If Open Soalries is free as well as open, you can be sure some develepors are already working on a Solaris port that will make the claim moot. Hal Vaughan wrote: (And, besides, didn't I read somewhere that Debian is working on a distro for Solaris?) -- Debian GNU/Solaris -- http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/0418234tid=90tid=106 -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I am stuck. I cannot get the log file. I am mostly ignorant when it comes to the in-depth stuff on Linux. The main error sems to be fail to initiate core devices. In the past, when similar problems occured, I have been able to get into X by using the NV or VESA driver instead of the nvidia, but now there is no way I can get into X. Does it maybe refer to core input devices? If so, that probably means it can't find your mouse. When you say you cannot get the log file, do you mean you can't find it? you can't understand it? you can't copy it into an email to post to this list? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I am stuck. I cannot get the log file. I am mostly ignorant when it comes to the in-depth stuff on Linux. The main error sems to be fail to initiate core devices. In the past, when similar problems occured, I have been able to get into X by using the NV or VESA driver instead of the nvidia, but now there is no way I can get into X. Does it maybe refer to core input devices? If so, that probably means it can't find your mouse. When you say you cannot get the log file, do you mean you can't find it? you can't understand it? you can't copy it into an email to post to this list? -- Kent Thanks Kent...I think it does say cannot find pointeror something like that, also fail to initiate core devices and fail to load GLX. What I mean is I have no way to copy and paste that log to bring it to my windows partition so I can email it. I apologise for my ignorance, I guess I've been lucky to keep the system running for 1-1/2 yrs with the little knowledge I have. I learned as needed to keep it going. One of the reasons I run gpm is that it makes diagnosing mouse issues easier. Generally, gpm is not installed by default. Still, that's the first question to be asked: Are you running gpm? If you're not sure, look in /etc/init.d for a gpm script; you can also look in etc/gpm.conf for the config file. You can also check dpkg/apt/aptitude to see if gpm is installed, but I never remember how to see if a program is installed using these tools and I'm too lazy to look it up. If gpm is installed and working, you should be able to move your mouse around and see a squarish cursor moving around the console screen. You'll also need to make sure that gpm and X are be configured to play nicely together. (More on that later if needed.) As implied above, though, gpm is probably not installed. A copy of the relevant log data would be handy. If you have a shared FAT partition, you can copy the file to that and read it from Windows. Or you can use a USB Fob drive. Or a floppy. Or if the Linux side has networking, just mail it to yourself using mail (or mutt, or whatever text-based client you have). Of, if you have access to a Windows-based share, or NFS share, or ftp site, you can transfer the file up, then get to it from Windows. In other words, there are lots of possibilities. You just may not yet have the knowledge to know you can do it (and we don't know what resources you have to point you yet in any specific directions). Generally, a mouse problem in X means that the X config file is improperly configure for the mouse, or the appropriate driver for the mouse has not been installed. What type of mouse do you have? (USB? PS/2? Serial? trackpad? etc) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot get into X - after testing dist-upgrade 11-03-05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure GPM is not installed, I remember trying to install that and could never get it working a long time ago. I just checked the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and the mouse is (as it should be) listed as /dev/input/mice. However I tried putting it as /dev/psaux to no avail. What happens if you type cat /dev/input/mice and then move the mouse around? You should get garbage on the screen. (Ctrl-C to break out of this.) I can't understand why the dist-upgrade today would have caused a mouse config problem. The windows partition is NTFS...I don't know how to command line a logfile to a floppy...basiaclly I am command-line stupid here. I am somehow fairly cetain that re-installing the nvidia driver might help, Only if you have video driver problems _in addition to_ your core input device problems. I'd suggest you address the problem that the logfile refers to, before chasing a different problem. Here's how to put the XFree86.0.log file on a floppy. Boot into Linux. Put formatted floppy in drive (FAT32 preferably). Become root. mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt cp /var/log/XFree86.0.log /mnt umount /mnt Reboot into Windows. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A page that causes Firefox (Sarge) to close
James Foster wrote: I'm using the latest mozilla-firefox (1.0.4-2sarge5) on Debian Sarge, and whenever I attempt to visit a particular page, I'm finding that it closes immediately. Can someone please confirm this behaviour? The page is: http://www.movieweb.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D6036e=9797 Copying pasting the source of that page into the W3C validator results in 188 violations of HTML 4.0 Transitional coding. I suspect that if web sites would just LEARN TO CODE TO STANDARDS!! (sorry, lost my head there for a moment), we would see a lot fewer issues with non-IE browsers. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A page that causes Firefox (Sarge) to close
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Aside from that, how does one code to non-standards? You are taught non-standards? You copy from non-standards? You use tools that use non-standards? This is coding to standards: tagtext goes here/tag This is not coding to standards: tagtext goes here Either use a tool that produces standards-compliant code, or run your code through a validator of some sort. This won't solve 100% of the problems, but it'd go a long way toward it. (NOTE: I'm armchair-quarterbacking here; I'm not a web developer, and have not walked in their shoes. But I'm strong on Idealism. That's part of why I run the Free distro Debian as opposed to some of those others.) Back to the original problem: as someone else pointed out, Firefox should not crash just because it hits bad code. The fault here lies with Firefox. I was just taking this opportunity to rant about standards compliance. (BTW, the login screen for Cox Cable Internet's webmail (http://webmail.central.cox.net/) causes FF to crash also (at least on my two home PCs; this work PC's FF didn't crash); this site also fails the W3C standards validator.) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boot to kdm
Bio Tech wrote: hello. I started using knoppix which got me using full debian (ive tried a lot of other distros and yours is the best so far) and my question is how can i get my system to boot to kdm to logon. im running a mutt :) P1 256/ram 5 gig hd im useing debain sarge 3.1 any info will help thanks. I'm assuming that you've installed Knoppix to the hard drive, and from there have upgraded to a true Debian (probably Sid) system. It used to be that such conversions to true Debian from Knoppix were fraught with issues, so my assumption may be incorrect -- you don't make it clear in your posting. If you haven't made such a conversion yet, you may want to get that out of the way before tackling KDM. Assuming you have a true Debian system now, the next question is: Do you currently have the X Window System working at all? Do you mean you want to convert from some other login manager (gdm, wdm, xdm) to KDM, or to you mean you want to get X working? (Again, you don't make it clear in your posting.) If you're just trying to convert to KDM from some other login manager, try: aptitude install kdm If you're trying to get a GUI working, try: aptitude install x-window-system kde kdm -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get install wants to remove too much
Thomas Schuett wrote: Hello, when I do apt-get install mozilla-browser it answers: [...] WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! e2fsprogs sysvinit It also wants to remove many other tings I actually need, like e2fsprogs or nfs-kernel-server. How can I install the mozilla-browser without loosing other needed or even essential packages? (An older version of mozilla would be acceptable for me.) I found a similar question under http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg05272.html but unfortunately this guy never got an answer. Hopefully I will have more luck. Thanks for any help! PS: I run a disk installation of knoppix, maybe knoppix 3.4 Ah. It is my understanding (and older experience), that installing Knoppix and then converting to Debian causes issues (which is why it's generally recommended to just start from Debian to begin with). It looks like you've run into some of those issues. My guess is that in order to convert to Debian, lots of Knoppix-specific apps have to be removed. I'd make a list of those things that are being uninstalled, then let Debian do what it wants, afterwhich you can reinstall those things manually. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
jithesh kk wrote: 1. how to add hardware coponets to debian linux operating system(configure a internal modem to my system. i have driver soft for this device but not installing) 2. How to configure Networking(configuration, file sharing printer sharing) These questions are too vague for us to help much. You'd do better to split them into two separate posts, not even asking about networking until you have a network connection (I'm assuming dial-up is all the networking you have). Concerning the modem, be aware that if it's an internal PCI modem, it most likely is a so-called win-modem, which in my experience are nightmares to get working. If this is the case, I'd recommend scrapping it in favor of an external serial (not USB) modem, which pretty much just work. If you want to try tackling the modem, first thing is to list the output of lsmod and/or tell us what the chipset is on the modem. Assuming it's a win-modem of some sort, the next thing is probably to head over to linmodems.org, which although very disorganized (in my opinion), will have better resources for helping with the modem than we have. (Oh, and by the way, an informative subject line like How to configure modem? is more likely to get responses than is one that simply says Question; the latter is likely to be percieved as spam without ever being read.) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Kent. I know that the man page says that doing Force-LoopBreak is an option, but as I quoted in my mail it is apparently a risky thing to do. Was your problem / solution also with the e2fsprogs package? Yes, it was. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't net to router or beyond
Meni Shapiro wrote: On 10/27/05, *Kent West* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Zagrabelny wrote: I can access another box on the local home LAN (ping, ssh, sftp, etc), but I can't ping or otherwise get to my USRobotics wired/wireless router or beyond. what kernel is the other box that can see the outside world running? Sorry to barge in on a thread like that, can you discribe your net and procedures been taken?? Here's most of my original post: -- Start of Original Post I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7; now my network is mostly broken. I can access another box on the local home LAN (ping, ssh, sftp, etc), but I can't ping or otherwise get to my USRobotics wired/wireless router or beyond. I can ssh to the other box in the LAN, and run a web browser remotely and get to the router and beyond, so I know the problem is in this box, not the router. I suspected it was perhaps an IPV6 thing, so I disabled the loading of that module by changing /etc/modprobe.d/aliases: #alias net-pf-10 ipv6 alias net-pf-10 off Now after a reboot the IPV6 module no longer shows up in the output of lsmod. But the problem remains. Here's the contents of /etc/network/interfaces: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) # automatically added when upgrading auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet static # address 192.168.123.2 # netmask 255.255.255.0 # network 192.168.123.0 # broadcast 192.168.123.255 # gateway 192.168.123.254 iface eth0 inet dhcp If I switch to the static numbers above and comment out the dhcp, and restart networking, the problem still remains. Here's the output of ifconfig (using the dhcp entry above): enjae[westk]:/home/westk sudo ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:E3:06:C0:7B inet addr:192.168.123.108 Bcast:192.168.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:34933 errors:4 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:37894 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:18638456 (17.7 MiB) TX bytes:15615368 (14.8 MiB) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec00 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:11905 (11.6 KiB) TX bytes:11905 (11.6 KiB) For comparison, here's the output of ifconfig on the other box on the LAN (through which I'm ssh'd and running Thunderbird remotely to write this email): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo ifconfig Password: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:11:83:F7 inet addr:192.168.123.176 Bcast:192.168.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::200:e8ff:fe11:83f7/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6188511 errors:66 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:66 TX packets:4477232 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3419924488 (3.1 GiB) TX bytes:457839904 (436.6 MiB) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xd000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:118589 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:118589 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:80098696 (76.3 MiB) TX bytes:80098696 (76.3 MiB) I have firmcoded within the router the DHCP addresses given out to these boxes, which is why separated by such a large gap, and which indicates that the broken box is getting dhcp information from the router. End of Original Post If I drop back to a 2.4 kernel, networking works fine. I was planning to send the output of lsmod while booted into the 2.6 kernel, but haven't gotten to it yet. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal instalation
Mitja Podreka wrote: hello I have few old computers in a library and I want to set them up so that they will run Firefox for web browsing and nothing else. I've done a basic Sarge (net)install and then x-window + window manager + Firefox. Is there any better way? Is there a way to get even smaller load on the poor old computers? 1. Thin client or 2. Take the window manager out of the picture, using just x-window + Firefox (but you might have issues). To try this, create a ~/.xinitrc and put mozilla-firefox in it as the only line, kill any ?dm login managers, and start X manually with startx. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't net to router or beyond
Matt Zagrabelny wrote: I can access another box on the local home LAN (ping, ssh, sftp, etc), but I can't ping or otherwise get to my USRobotics wired/wireless router or beyond. what kernel is the other box that can see the outside world running? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk uname -a Linux westk03 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux also is ipv6 tromping on anything? I don't know. I googled for how to disable ipv6, and accordingly, on the box that can't see beyond the router, changed /etc/modprobe.d/aliases: #alias net-pf-10 ipv6 alias net-pf-10 off Even after a reboot this made no difference in the behaviour. have you thought about rolling your own kernel? Yes. But stock kernels usually work fine for me, and I'm surprised this one doesn't. In the meanwhile, I've rebuilt the box to rearrange partitions, and in the process have made it possible for me to drop back to a 2.4 kernel which is working. what is the output of lsmod? Can't get to that machine at the moment (must not have enabled ssh incoming yet). I'll post it later. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop APT::Force-LoopBreak
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I run a somewhat out of date installation of Testing. When trying to update some packages, apt-get fails with the following message: --- E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs --- From 'man apt-get': --- Force-LoopBreak Never Enable this option unless you -really- know what you are doing. It per- mits APT to temporarily remove an essential package to break a Conflicts/Con- flicts or Conflicts/Pre-Depend loop between two essential packages. SUCH A LOOP SHOULD NEVER EXIST AND IS A GRAVE BUG. This option will work if the essential packages are not tar, gzip, libc, dpkg, bash or anything that those packages depend on. --- I do -not- really know what I am doing :). How / where should I report this GRAVE BUG, and how might I solve this problem? Is it safe to do a 'Force- LoopBreak' in this case? I can supply the output of 'dpkg -l' and the exact list of packages that I was attempting to install / upgrade upon request. I've run into this on my last two installs, using an older pre-Sarge netinstall CD, and then trying to upgrade to current Sid. In both cases, I was able to get around the problem by creating the file /etc/apt/apt.conf and putting in it the line: APT::Force-LoopBreak true; After doing my upgrade, I remove/rename that file to avoid potential issues in the future. I'm not sure where to file a bug report; probably against apt-get. I believe the package reportbug might help in this process. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /tmp Cannot write: No space left on device
Björn Lindström wrote: Kai Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 6.5G 6.1G 0 100% / /dev/hda6 21G 12G 7.8G 60% /home tmpfs 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm tmpfs 10M 72K 10M 1% /dev I'm not sure how my /tmp directory works. But I've noticed a couple of times I run out of space on it. /tmp is just a directory on your root partition. 6.1 GB on your root partition seems like a lot to me. Maybe you can clean something out. du -h /tmp should give you an idea of how much space /tmp is taking. If it's significant, you can manually clean it out (you might want to switch to single-user mode first) or reboot, which will clean it out automagically. This is one of the reasons I use more than one partition; I tend to have separate partitions for /, /tmp, /usr, /usr/local, /var, and /home. In your case, I'd consider moving the /var or /usr or /usr/local to your /home partition, and then symlinking it back to the original location. Say, for example, your /var directory typically runs around 800MB in size; you could move it, which would free 800MB off the / partition: mv /var /home ln -s /home/var /var -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Page... Missing sound
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not getting any sound on foxnews.com. I'm getting the video just fine, but no sound. They have a free video section that I was trying to view. The video comes through, but no sound. I can play my CD's just fine. Using Firefox 1.0.4. It worked okay for me in FF 1.0.7. I did have to tinker with my mixer settings, though. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broadcom SATA-II card support -- when?
Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 26 October 2005 04:28 pm, David B van Balen wrote: Please CC me on replies, as I'm not subscribed to the list. You have successfully killed any chance of getting a smart answer. No he didn't. Please read the Debian list rules I assume you're talking about the Code of Conduct, found at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub and ESR's essay How To Ask Questions the Smart Way and http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 1. Neither document implies that a poster should not ask to be CC:d. 2. Many people on this list will still provide smart answers even if list protocol is breached (which in this case it was not, as far as I see). Now, David, having said that, I don't have a clue as to your issue. I guess Paul was correct in my case; no smart answer from me. Sorry. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't net to router or beyond
Matt Zagrabelny wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 07:52 -0500, Kent West wrote: I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7; now my network is mostly broken. what version were you running before? 2.6.3-1-k7 I can access another box on the local home LAN (ping, ssh, sftp, etc), but I can't ping or otherwise get to my USRobotics wired/wireless router or beyond. so you can't ping the gateway? $ ping 192.168.123.254 Correct. I can not ping the gateway. I have firmcoded within the router the DHCP addresses given out to these boxes, which is why separated by such a large gap, and which indicates that the broken box is getting dhcp information from the router. if your broken box is getting dhcp leases from the router then i would think you could ping the gateway (as mentioned above). I would think so also. what does your routing table look like? # route -n [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.123.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.123.254 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 Because I wanted to rearrange my partitions, I wiped the drive completely and did a completely new install of Sid. With the 2.4.25-1-386 kernel I started out with on the Sid netinstaller, networking worked fine. I've built the box up to a point close to what it was before the rebuild, and then ugpraded the kernel again to 2.6.8-2-k7, and the networking again fails to work, in exactly the same way I described earlier. I'm confident that I can reboot into the 2.4 kernel and get my network back, but I'd like to stick with the 2.6 kernel if anyone can help me figure out what I need to do to fix my networking. Thanks! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't net to router or beyond
Kent West wrote: I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7; now my network is mostly broken [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:12757 (12.4 KiB) TX bytes:12757 (12.4 KiB) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking start * /etc/network/options is deprecated. Setting up IP spoofing protection...done (rp_filter). Configuring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. Please contribute if you find this software useful. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Listening on LPF/eth0/00:02:e3:06:c0:7b Sending on LPF/eth0/00:02:e3:06:c0:7b Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPACK from 192.168.123.254 bound to 192.168.123.108 -- renewal in 3599400 seconds. done. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 192.168.123.254 PING 192.168.123.254 (192.168.123.254) 56(84) bytes of data. From 192.168.123.108 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.123.108 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.123.108 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable --- 192.168.123.254 ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 5000ms , pipe 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 192.168.123.176 PING 192.168.123.176 (192.168.123.176) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.123.176: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.205 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.176: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.167 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.176: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.168 ms --- 192.168.123.176 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.167/0.180/0.205/0.017 ms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't net to router or beyond
I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7; now my network is mostly broken. I can access another box on the local home LAN (ping, ssh, sftp, etc), but I can't ping or otherwise get to my USRobotics wired/wireless router or beyond. I can ssh to the other box in the LAN, and run a web browser remotely and get to the router and beyond, so I know the problem is in this box, not the router. I suspected it was perhaps an IPV6 thing, so I disabled the loading of that module by changing /etc/modprobe.d/aliases: #alias net-pf-10 ipv6 alias net-pf-10 off Now after a reboot the IPV6 module no longer shows up in the output of lsmod. But the problem remains. Here's the contents of /etc/network/interfaces: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) # automatically added when upgrading auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet static # address 192.168.123.2 # netmask 255.255.255.0 # network 192.168.123.0 # broadcast 192.168.123.255 # gateway 192.168.123.254 iface eth0 inet dhcp If I switch to the static numbers above and comment out the dhcp, and restart networking, the problem still remains. Here's the output of ifconfig (using the dhcp entry above): enjae[westk]:/home/westk sudo ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:E3:06:C0:7B inet addr:192.168.123.108 Bcast:192.168.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:34933 errors:4 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:37894 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:18638456 (17.7 MiB) TX bytes:15615368 (14.8 MiB) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec00 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:11905 (11.6 KiB) TX bytes:11905 (11.6 KiB) For comparison, here's the output of ifconfig on the other box on the LAN (through which I'm ssh'd and running Thunderbird remotely to write this email): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk sudo ifconfig Password: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:11:83:F7 inet addr:192.168.123.176 Bcast:192.168.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::200:e8ff:fe11:83f7/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6188511 errors:66 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:66 TX packets:4477232 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3419924488 (3.1 GiB) TX bytes:457839904 (436.6 MiB) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xd000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:118589 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:118589 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:80098696 (76.3 MiB) TX bytes:80098696 (76.3 MiB) I have firmcoded within the router the DHCP addresses given out to these boxes, which is why separated by such a large gap, and which indicates that the broken box is getting dhcp information from the router. I'd drop back to my earlier kernel, except my / partition is too small to hold more than one kernel at a time, so I killed the /lib/modules for that older kernel to make room for the new kernel. (Seems like the old idea of having a smallish root partition bit me; more recently I've been moving to a partition size of about 500MB to avoid this sort of problem, but on this box, / is only 183MB, with 15MB free. I'm eventually going to have to rearrange partitions (ouch!), but not today, if I can help it.) Thanks for any help in getting my network back up! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready to join the club..
Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 22 October 2005 03:57 pm, Ian Cavnar wrote: I'm hopingthat you mean 60 and 80 GB, as 140MB is nowhere near enough to install Debian and have anything useful for a newb on there. Not true. Just depends on the newbie's situation. Case in point, I switched because I couldn't stand the thought of replacing a defective Windows CD just to reinstall an OS on my 386 back in 1997. 18MB RAM, 120MB disk. It's one hell of a squeeze, and you'll probably have to trip /usr/share/doc to make it fit, but it works. I think the operative phrase was for a newb; I wouldn't expect a newb to be able to do this squeezing of which you speak. But I understand your sentiment, and agree. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready to join the club..
Greg wrote: apt-get install gpm Tell gpm that your mouse is on /dev/psaux, of type imps2, and to repeat raw. I have since learned that the officially proper repeat type is ms3. If you have a USB mouse, the location will be /dev/input/mice, but you also have to have USB support working, which is another can of worms. Then reconfigure X to use the raw data repeated from gpm. Do this with the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and specify /dev/gpmdata as the mouse location. If you're using a USB mouse, I believe both gpm and X can be configured to read from /dev/input/mice/. The /dev/input/mice device is smart enough to be able to feed mice events to multiple readers, whereas with the older /dev/psaux device, when gpm read a mouse event, that event would not be readable by X, and vice-versa, so that the mouse was unpredictable; letting gpm read all the events, and then repeating them to X solved this problem. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready to join the club..
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Under what conditions can I copy data under X and paste with gpm and viceversa, with just the mouse strokes? I don't believe you can. I just tried selecting text in X, switching to VT1, and pasting with my middle button. Nothing happened. So I selected text in VT1, then hopped back to X, and tried to paste with a middle click; what pasted was the first text I selected in X. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready to join the club..
Greg wrote: THank you for you insight on this. FYI, I was able to make this work. However, when I go into aptitude and look at packages to be removed, it shows gpm. I also recall an error message that stated something to the affect that gpm was obsolete and would be reomoved from the install. Predictably, I was playing around with aptitude and removed gpm. Alas, my mouse stopped working and I had to go through these steps again. Is there another way to make this mouse work? FYI, I'm using a MS 2 button + scroll wheel. Serial, 6pin. 1) I'm unaware of gpm being obsolete; perhaps the version you had installed was obsolete. Just aptitude install gpm to reinstall it. This should get your mouse working again. 2) The gpm package is unnecessary for your mouse to work in X; it's only the mouse driver for the console. So if you want a mouse in both the console and in X, you have to install gpm and configure it to work with the X driver. 3) This list generally discourages top-posting (putting your reply about the text of the message to which you're replying). Interspersed contextual replies are preferred, like so: My point A. Your response to A. My point B. Your response to B. 4) Also, as a general rule, you probably want to avoid replying privately, in favor of keeping messages on the list. This serves three purposes: A: Others who might be following the thread hoping for answers get the benefit of any new material. B: The material gets archived, benefiting future seekers of the answers. C: The person to whom you privately reply may not know the answer; by replying on the list you get the benefit of input from others who might know the answer. For example, I'm unaware of gpm being obsolete; perhaps others have input on this issue. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome doesnt start
wood wood wrote: i was trying to make some changes in /etc/apt/sources.list and i dont know what happened but my user dir 'wood' which was under /home got deleted. I can think of no way that these two items (editing sources.list and /home/wood disappearing) would be related. Is /home on a separate partition (look in /etc/fstab for a /home entry)? If so, that partition may be unmounted (how it got that way is a mystery). If not, were there other directories under /home, and do they still exist? Does wood exist in /etc/passwd (Yes, since you were able to login below)? What is wood's home directory according to that file? when i rebooted pc i got this message anfter i log in in gdm display manager (gnome-session:1430):libgnomevfs-WARNING**Unable to create ~/.gnomedirectory: Permission denied Could not create per user gnome configuration directory '/home/wood/.gnome/':Permission denied Are you sure the /home/wood directory is missing, or have the permissions changed on it instead? You won't be able to do much until you get your home directory issues straightened out. In the meantime, you can create a new user (adduser wood2). Again, I know of no way that the home directory could get deleted by editing a file; something else must've happened that you're unaware of (hacker? installation of some extremely broken package?) or don't recall. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready to join the club..
Greg wrote: My question is this, I want to use a boot loader that will load either WinME or Debian. Grub seems like the default boot loader per the installation docs I've read. During installation, will Grub be smart enough to see WinMe on the other drive and will itput the boot loader file on the main drive, the one that holds WinME? In my experience, no. However, after installation you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst; in that file is an example stanza for loading Windows. It's probably suitable for you machine just as is; just remove the #'s in front of the four lines or so to enable this stanza, and you should be good to go. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird Signature
Peter H. Ha wrote: I got your contact info from a forum, but I can’t still configure Thunderbird Signature. Can you help? Thank you. This would really probably be addressed on a Mozilla Thunderbird list, but ... In T-Bird, start off like you're creating a new outgoing message. Create your signature as you like. Then File/Save As/File, and save your signature with a name like defaultSignature.html. Then, in T-Bird's Account Settings, there's a place to Attach this signature. Check that box, and point the filename field to the file you saved in the previous step. Done. You can also switch between multiple signatures if you install the Signature Switch extension. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto Debian Reinstall
Meshbah Uddin Ahmed wrote: i have been using debian sarge 3.1. all pkgs r works fine. few days ago i have faced a prb duting booting. at that time i want to reintsall my Debian from CD. i have downloaded this from online (minimal). Whatever problem you have, you probably don't need to reinstall. That's a way of thinking carried over from the Microsoft Windows world. there is no option abt reinstall or upgrade as there is a option in REDHAT. That's because reinstallation is not an issue on Debian. You simply fix whatever problem you have. As far as upgrading goes, that's a simple two-command step (one command if you want to get fancy): #aptitude update #aptitude dist-upgrade although i have tried to install from CD, but once a time it tries to edit partition table, when i want it tells to format the partition. so that i cant. During the partitioning phase, you can tell it you're finished partitioning (leaving the partitions as they are), and continue on. I'm fairly confident you can tell it not to format the partitions also, but I'm not sure. Of course, if you don't format at least some of the partitions, you're likely to have leftovers from before the reinstall that will clog up your system. my problem solved after install debian newly. now i want to know HOW TO REINSTALL DEBIAN FROM CD Again, Debianites don't reinstall their systems (except in rare cases), so it's not really a well-documented procedure. The short version is to back up your /home directory (or leave that partition alone if it's a separate partition), and then just reinstall like you're doing a new install (making sure not to partition/format your /home partition if it exists, or restoring it if it's not a separate partition). If you're having some sort of problem, let us know what it is and we can probably help you fix it without a reinstall. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lucy the Football
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This email is about Mozilla-thunderbird... I used apt-get to retrieve it and install it from the debian.org server. Went in very smoothly, and in less than five minutes I had configured it and downloaded 150 messages from my SpamCop.net popmail server. Then a couple of problems surfaced: 1. The menu items highlight to white on white. Quite odd. Are you pulling from Sarge (Stable), Etch (Testing), or Sid (Unstable)? What window manager/environment are you using? Try another; does the problem still exist? 2. The second time I opened Thunderbird, it was empty, and the Install Wizard wanted all my data all over again. 150 messages vanished ... but it had let me do the setup all by myself without a peep of complaint. Extremely odd. This should not happen. It sounds like your profile got lost. You looked opened T-bird as the same user both times, right? Do you have any weirdness about your account, such that you have two users with the same uid, or an improper symlink to another directory within your directory, or a chrooted account, or file permissions wrong on some part of your directory, etc? How did you open T-bird both times? Was one time from a terminal maybe, and the second time from an icon? Are you mounting your home directory on a separate partition/network drive/USB jump drive/etc? Perhaps the second start of T-bird was when you home wasn't (or was) mounted properly. Did you reboot between attempts? 3. I looked up on the Mozilla-Thunderbird website to find out where my Inbox is stored (ostensibly so I can back it up) but the instructions bear no resemblance whatsoever to the menus and organization of _my_ Thunderbird install. It has changed throughout the versions; I believe the current location is now somewhere under ~/.mozilla-thunderbird, but don't trust me on that. It'll be there, or under ~/.mozilla, or under ~/.thunderbird. Look in each of the places, and drill down until you find things like abook.mab and Mail. (BTW, the folks on this list who are the real experts are liable to pass by a non-descriptive subject line like Lucy the Football; although it's witty, there's enough traffic on this list that if a subject line doesn't interest the members, the posting may just be skipped over. Just a thought.) -- KKent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /lib deleted
theal wrote: The /lib directory was deleted by accidentally on one of my servers. Does anyone know of a way to recover this? Tony 1. Restore from backup. 2. If you don't have a backup, copy the directory from a machine that's setup as close as possible as your server. If it's not an exact clone, you'll still likely run into some problems. 3. There's a way to export the list of currently installed packages (man dpkg, or search the archives, or ask for someone who knows dpkg better than I do); you can use that list to reinstall all your packages, which should restore the /lib directory. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot get Xorg to start
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals, sorry to bother again, I am still struggling with getting Xorg to start on my system (debian testing, 2.6.7 kernel). I have used essentially the same settings as previously with xfree86. When I enter startx, I get a message that no device can be opened for the mouse xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mouse0 If I go cat /dev/input/mouse0 (or /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice) no device is ffound. This is strange because they are the same devices that always worked previously. Could this have to do with some unresolved conflict between xfree86 and xorg? I would greatly appreciate any tips, Sounds like maybe you don't have the correct modules loaded. What type of mouse do you have? Do you see any messages in dmesg about your mouse? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix
Chris Humphries wrote: If you (second person plural) . . . That would be y'all. -- Tex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ip address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just installed Debian Sarge, and by mistake I configured the NIC to DHCP. I don't want DHCP, how can I change the ip address from DHCP to a permanent static ip address? I tried already ifconfig eth0 ipaddress, it works, but the change is just temporary. When I reboot the computer, the NIC still picks up a DHCP address. Please Help Thanks Edit /etc/network/interfaces; comment out the line iface eth0 inet dhcp, and replace it with the two or three lines similar to what you find in man interfaces: iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 Then either reboot or run /etc/init.d/networking restart. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ip address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I already did these steps, I rebooted the computer and run ifconfig, but nothing, I didn't get the information for the nic. What is wrong? thanks again Please post the output of ifconfig and the contents of your /etc/networking/interfaces file. (Also, please keep posts on-list, for archival purposes as well as to allow the community to benefit/help. Also, top-posting is generally discouraged on this list.) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken Pacakages X Window
Santosh Kumar wrote: Hi! I have got the 14 CDs of Sarge Debian. I have manged to install base debian. But when I start to install X Window System: apt-get install x-window-system It flags off unmet dependencies Finally it says it is broken pacakage. It sounds like you have a set of CDs which has a problem of some sort. If this machine is connected to the Internet, you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to the internet instead of the CDs, and pull from a known-working repository. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix
Sam Rosenfeld wrote: However, what really turns some people on to Debian turns me off -- especially the package manager criteria for including not-quite-pure executables (e.g., pine) in most of the distributions. I know my mild comment will light a roaring conflagration, but I won't participate in it, particularly since I believe it is praising Debian with faint damns. Pragmatism vs Principles -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SoundMAX and ALSA problem - ASUS A7V8X module onboard card
On 10/13/05, *Ivan Paganini* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am struggling with a debian sarge installation on a ASUS A7V8X. It uses a SoundMAX onboard sound card, and by no means I can put it to work. It does not appear on lspci, or the ethernet card. Then, I tried to use alsaconf, and it cannot find also. I tried the modules snd-via82xx, ac97, etc, and even tried to put a kernel 2.6.13.4 http://2.6.13.4 using compiled kernels with this chipset installed. So, what else can i do? What is the name of the corresponding module, if any? I was unable to find the module to compile at google for this soundcard. 1. Make sure the sound circuit is turned on in the BIOS. 2. Try a LiveCD, such as Knoppix; if Knoppix recognizes the sound chip, look for what modules it loads. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opening and/or setting up XFree86 in Debian sarge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the umpteenth time I'm attempting to set up a Linux-based
PC
snip
That got me to the command prompt. No sign
of a GUI anywhere ...
Making progress. Excellent.
Then I got the system to recognize the network (Linksys router,
DSL modem, WXP laptop also on the router) and to my astonishment,
I managed to complete the installation of various packages
via the Internet connection. I even FTP'd XFree86's binaries
and installed them.
More progress. Good.
But, if XFree86 came from somewhere other than Debian's repositories, I
suggest you get rid of them. You'll find that using only the Debian
repositories makes maintenance of your system much easier.
However, in spite of looking all over the place for the secret
way of starting XFree86, I haven't a clue how to obtain a GUI.
Basically you need to install X. There are several ways; some might
suggest using 'tasksel' or the task selection option in 'aptitude' to
select an entire desktop configuration. I personally prefer to be a bit
more selective (without being too granular) by using the following command:
aptitude install x-window-system icewm
which should get you a basic X system working. If you want something a
bit more glamorous, you can install KDE or Gnome in addition to or
instead of icewm. (Just add kde and/or gnome to the line above, like
aptitude install x-window-system icewm kde gnome, or run a separate
instance after the first one finishes, such as aptitude install kde.)
Still stuck at the command prompt. No browser, nothing.
Just for kicks, install a text-mode browser:
aptitude install links lynx
or
apt-get install links lynx
('aptitude' is probably preferable to using 'apt-get' for most folks;
you can google for the pros and cons of each; other tools that could be
used are dpkg (more low-level and labor-intensive), dselect (older and
generally considered to be more confusing), synaptic (requires X, so
can't use it yet), and maybe a couple of others that slip my mind)
Then fire it up with something like links www.slashdot.org.
Of course, once you have X working, you can aptitude install
mozilla-firefox or galeon or use KDE's Konqueror, etc.
--
Kent
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Re: [xorg] H/V Sync of an old 17inch monitor
Andrea B. wrote: Hi, my second monitor is an old and poor 17inch markless. I don't have the manual. How can I find the Horiz/Vertical Sync values? Unsure. Unfortunately, my PCI cirrus card works only at 800x600 @ 85Hz. I've read the documentation and the card can (theorically) work at 1024x768. Do you think the 800x600 limit is related to Horiz/Vertical Sync values? Perhaps. Or it might be a color depth issue. Try dropping your color depth (and IIRC, both cards will need to be set to the same depth). -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dual monitor] Second video card (Cirrus Logic 5446) doesn't work
Andrea B. wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Kent West wrote: Andrea Ballatore wrote: I've tried to read some HOWTOs and google stuff which ones .. you need to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config - you need to add the stuff for the 2nd card - you need to add the stuff for the 2nd monitor - you need to tell it which monitor is left and right side or up and down example config files http://Linux-1U.net/X11/Dual Dual monitor works! But I have a problem: when I launch an app on desktop 1, I cannot move it on the other desk, and vice-versa. What have I got to do to solve this problem? You need the xinerama extension enabled in your config file. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to exit from fullscreen vncviewer
On 10/8/05, *kamaraju kusumanchi* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using vncviewer on Debian Unstable. In the vnc session, If I press F8 then there is a pop up menu and I can choose to go to full screen mode. But how do I exit from the full screen mode? Any ideas? I'm not at a machine that I can test, but IIRC, full screen mode essentially moves the display to the next available X VT (Ctrl-Alt-F8), although I may be confusing VNC with VMWare or something similar; try pressing Ctrl-Alt-F7 to see what that does for you. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Semi-OT: need to fake keyboard and mouse...
Joe Smith wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Anderson writes: Any ideas? Just give up and plug in an old junker keyboard. I've got one that will boot with no keyboard but insists that it must have a mouse. Now that is bizare. Not even windows insists that. The keyboard thing was to prevent somebody from booting into the computer, but then having no way to control it. Nnot quite elegant, but you might try plugging in a keyboard just long enough to get past the POST, then removing the keyboard. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to exit from fullscreen vncviewer
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Malcolm Lalkaka wrote: Did you try pressing F8 again? Please bottom post to messages. I tried F8 again in the full screen session and nothing happens. The pop up menu does not appear when I am in the full screen mode. I just tried F8 here (also in KDE), and it worked to bring up the pop-up menu. If it doesn't work for you, you can use the grabKeyboard option when invoking xtightvncviewer (I don't know if it's the same for the plain [x]vncviewer). Also, earlier I had suggested Ctrl-Alt-F7; nope; I must've been confusing VNC with VMWare. Sorry. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dual monitor] Second video card (Cirrus Logic 5446) doesn't work
Andrea Ballatore wrote: I want to set up dual monitor with 2 video cards on my linux box. Here's the hardware list: * AGP card: nvidia ti4200 (128 MB) * PCI card: cirrus logic (2 MB) (don't laugh) * monitor philips brilliance 19'' * cheap monitor markless 17'' * Athlon XP+ 2400, motherboard ASUS A7V8X I've tried to read some HOWTOs and google stuff, but I don't understand how to make it work. If I set in bios as primary video card the cirrus card, the PCI card works fine, but without dual monitor. Here's my explanation of how I did it: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207tid=13tid=39tid=23tid=99 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X problems after dist-upgrade
Fred J. wrote: Hello I have bee struggling with this problem for a while not, I would appreciate some help in fix it. I am not able to boot into wdm or X. I just did an #apt-get dist-upgrade from woody to the testing tree. Also I upgrade to kernel 2.6.12-1-686 My system was working good but now I have a problem with the wdm (window manager) and X. Which is what I need fixed. the system boots fine but does not show the wdm it used to show before. Do you mean display manager (GUI login screen) or window manager/environment (wmaker vs KDE vs Icewm vs Gnome, etc)? I'm assuming you mean display manager, since you specifically mention wdm. You don't indicate if another display manager is starting or not. I suggest you try: dpkg-reconfigure wdm or dpkg-reconfigure xdm or dpkg-reconfigure gdm Depending on what you have installed, one of these will probably let you reset wdm as your display manager. If it's not available as a choice, try reinstalling wdm: apt-get install wdm -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Swap
Curtis Vaughan wrote: Can someone help me figure out why I don't seem to be using the swap partition. Here is an output of fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 10.0 GB, 10056130560 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19485 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 18617 9382936+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 18618 19485 4374725 Extended /dev/hda5 18618 19485 437440+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris Actually, I had it previous set such that hda2 was teh swap and there were no other partitions. But this also didn't work. And here is an output of fstab proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/hda1 / ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda5 noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hdc/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0/media/floppy0 autorw,user,noauto 0 0 Nonetheless, after a reboot top shows: top - 20:35:11 up 58 min, 3 users, load average: 0.28, 0.18, 0.11 Tasks: 91 total, 1 running, 89 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 5.9% us, 1.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 92.1% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.Mem:256728k total, 247288k used, 9440k free, 3864k buffer Swap:0k total,0k used,0k free,70400k cached Why? What can I do to get my swap partition being used as swap? If swapon -s doesn't show any swap being used, I'd try: mkswap /dev/hda5 swapon -a -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x window / starting the desktop
Janeque Peterson wrote: Needless to say I'm very new to this. I tried starting the x window (although I don't have a very clear idea what it is exactly) The X Window System has been the traditional windowing system (Graphical User Interface - GUI) for Unix/Linux based systems. Apple decided to build their own windowing system (Aqua) for the Macintosh Operating System 10 (OS/X), which is based on a flavor of Unix. Windows is a totally different OS, not based on Unix. But it still has a GUI, which is (for the purpose of this discussion) equivalent to the operating system. If you can remember the days of Windows 3.x or Windows 95, you'll realize that those versions of Windows were merely GUIs on top of the underlying MS-DOS operating system. In a similar way, the X Window System is merely a GUI on top of the Linux operating system. Unlike Windows, which was designed as a single-user system for a single computer, the X Window System (or X for short) was designed for a multi-user system spanning over multiple computers. As a result, X is broken into two parts: the server, and clients. Don't think of these terms in the way you're accustomed to thinking; you're used to thinking of a server as a machine at some office that serves out web pages, or holds a database system, and to thinking of a client as a machine that a user sits down at in order to connect remotely to that server. But as I say, don't think of it that way. In X, the server is the basic GUI engine. As a general rule, it would sit on your local computer where the user sits. The X server is kind of like the blue screen on a Windows computer that appears just before the Start Menu and Taskbar and My Computer appear. The clients are applications that run within the X server. These clients probably sit on your local computer, but they may also sit on a remote computer. X clients are kind of like the Notepad app or MS-Office on a Windows computer. So you can see the confusion: an X server feels more like a client machine, whereas an X client feels more like a server machine at the head office. The above explanation isn't entirely accurate, but it should be close enough for now. with the startx' command, also I tried 'start kde'. I got a command not found to both. Then, to make sure my x configuration is right, I did 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (thanks, Chris). The response was package 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available. This just means you don't have X installed. This command: apt-get install x-window-system kde icewm gnome should get a fairly complete X system installed, along with the Big Two windowing environments KDE and Gnome, along with a lighter window environment (window manager) Icewm. By having all three windowing environments available, you can experiment to see which one you like. There are dozens of others available also. Debian is all about freedom and choice. Or to get a better education, you can install things more piecemeal, to see what effect they have. In this case, apt-get install x-window-system-core Then run startx to get X working. You'll probably only see a grayish hatched screen. This is the X server running. Now you need some clients, such as a window manager. A window manager is kind of like the Explorer.exe (not iexplorer.exe, which is the web browser) in Windows, which provides the Start Menu and the Taskbar and the My Computer icon, etc. You can kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. apt-get install icewm Start X again, and you'll start seeing something more familiar. Now you'll need some applications, such as a web browser. You can kill X as above, or via the Icewm's Shutdown item in the menus, or just leave X running, as you don't need to restart it just to install software: apt-get install mozilla-firefox If the menu program is installed (which I believe it should be; if not, apt-get install menu), Firefox will now appear on your Icewm menus (at least, I think so; Icewm may not be smart enough to pick up the menu changes without restarting X, which can be done without restarting X, but you'll probably find it easier just to restart X). If you want a prettier windowing environment than Icewm, you can try out KDE: apt-get install kde or Gnome: apt-get install gnome To start up these environments, you probably will want to restart X. Also, be aware that both of these will probably install a graphical login screen, either kdm (in the case of KDE) or gdm (Gnomem), which shows up the next time you reboot. During the install of these package, you might be asked which login (gdm or kdm) you want to use. Pick one, and if you want to change it later, run dpkg-reconfigure gdm if you chose KDM earlier, or dpkg-reconfigure kdm if you chose GDM earlier. (You should be able to set it using either command, but last time I tried, it behaved a bit inconsistently unless I did the above.) Hope this helps with some of the concepts. -- Kent -- To
Re: x window / starting the desktop
Kent West wrote: In X, the server is the basic GUI engine. As a general rule, it would sit on your local computer where the user sits. The X server is kind of like the blue screen on a Windows computer that appears just before the Start Menu and Taskbar and My Computer appear. The clients are applications that run within the X server. These clients probably sit on your local computer, but they may also sit on a remote computer. X clients are kind of like the Notepad app or MS-Office on a Windows computer. A window manager, like Icewm, is a specific type of client, in case you were wondering which category it fits into. A windowing environment, like KDE, is a related group of clients, such as kwm - KDE's window manager, and Konqueror - KDE's web browser and file manager, etc. Icewm may not be smart enough to pick up the menu changes without restarting X, which can be done without restarting X, but you'll probably find it easier just to restart X). Arg. Should be: Icewm may not be smart enough to pick up the menu changes without restarting Icewm itself, which can be done without restarting X, but you'll probably find it easier just to restart X. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 with i915 chipset fails with the i810 driver
G Christiansson wrote: Dear Debian people, I can not get my XFree86 to work with the i810 driver, and tried for hours with various Google-based tips, so now I ask you. I don't know about your Fujitsu PC, but I've seen similar issues with i810-based Dells. I find that if I go into the BIOS, video RAM is only set to 1MB; when I change it to the other option of 8MB, my problems go away. It might be worth looking into on your box. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iPodder wont start
Roger Creasy wrote: Howdy! I just installed iPodder. It will not start. When I click on the desktop icon, it bounces about for a while, but nothing happens, no error messages or anything. Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? Try running it from a command line; you may get some error messages that way that'll give you a direction to pursue. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can not boot in single user mode without root password
Nelson Castillo quoted someone who wrote: system boot completely, it prompt Give root password for mantenance(or Control-D to continue):. If I press ctrl+d, then it will use normal runlevel. How can I use 1 runlevel if I forget the root password in grub? This doesn't sound like a grub password, but rather a system password. Assuming you have sudo installed, boot into the system as a normal user who has enough sudo capability, and sudo change root's password. Then try again. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Joel Peter William Pitt wrote: I am confused however, since I'm reasonably sure I haven't tinkered with my Xauthority files - ie they are the debian default - and yet synaptic has no problem running from su. -Joel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk su - Password: westk03:~# synaptic (synaptic:11555): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: However, as Ron Johnson points out, su -c synaptic does work. Thanks, Ron! Didn't know that trick. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West wrote: 1. Training oneself not to run things as root is one benefit of sudo, so that you don't mess up when you go to another machine. One presumes when you go to another machine you won't have root. Hmm; I've got two machines here in the house, one of which is more or less single-user (which I use most of the time), the other is multi-user. In addition, I have a half-dozen other machines which I admin. So, I go to lots of machines on which I have root, some of which are multi-user and some of which are not. I'd rather have a consistent habit across the machines. But that's just me. Training oneself to not run things as root is not a benefit of sudo, it is a benefit of training one's self to not run things as root. Which implies that you're firing up an xterm, suing and doing your command, then exiting out of su after each command, never leaving a terminal window running as root most of the time. The converse would be that you tend to run things as root (such as a terminal window), which kind of indicates that you're ignoring your own good practices training. Oddly enough it was a practice in place well before sudo existed. However did they survive and train themselves to do it? By inventing sudo? (It's just a joke ;-) ) 2. Not logging into X as root is another benefit. Running a single X client/app as root is different than running all of X as root. Which does not require sudo. rxvt, su... Granted. But the original claim which I dispute was not that other methods provide similar benefit to sudo; the claim was that sudo provides no benefit on a single-user machine, with which I disagree. 3. Logging, provided by sudo, is not merely for the sake of knowing who did what; sometimes it's for who did what when, etc. Which was implicit in my statement that it provides logging; generally timestamps are invovled. So, I'm confused. Are you saying that the logging capability of sudo provides a benefit on a single-user machine (my claim), or not (the original claim)? I'll grant that there may be considerably less reason to use sudo on a single-user machine, but to claim that there is *NO* benefit of sudo is simply incorrect. No, it is an opinion contrary to yours. I stand by my statement. See below. That alone doesn't make it incorrect. However given the above you've not provided compelling arguments that sudo provides any benefit to a single user who is de facto admin of his own personal box. Good behaviors are good behaviors regardless of environment and simply don't count. If 99.9% of the nix-using population finds that sudo does not provide any benefit on a single-user machine, then I'd concede that sudo has no benefit on a single-user machine for most people. However, if one person, anywhere, finds sudo to be of benefit on a single-user machine, then the claim that there is *NO* benefit of sudo is simply incorrect. (I myself am such a person, so this is not just a hypothetical possibility.) Of course, the whole point of these recent posts is a wrangling of words, being as I objected to the absoluteness of the original claim that sudo provides *NO* benefit on a single-user machine. If you wish to continue arguing that the benefit I find in using sudo on a single-user machine is in reality no benefit, then I humbly bow out for the sake of peace, and concede that I could very well be wrong. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West wrote: And when you need to run an X app? Ah, gotta muck around with Xauthority files now. I've yet to see an X app that needs me to have root. Chances are if such a beast exists I don't need it. /usr/bin/synaptic, at least on my box. (Granted, I don't use synaptic, but the point is that some X apps require root; this is just an example.) And when you've got several xterms open, and only one of which is logged in as root, and you're switching back and forth and forget which one you're in when you type that rm -rf command? Sure, you can change your root prompt to be red and flashing, to help avoid this, but I'd prefer to intentionally do the extra step of typing sudo to prevent this sort of mishap. Come now Kent, let's cut the hyperbole. You know as well as I do that this is just as problematic with sudo. You have several xterms open and you hit sudo rm -rf in the wrong one which is in a completely different path than the one you intended Typing sudo doesn't prevent you from being in the wrong xterm in the slightest. I disagree. If I have two xterms open; one seated in /etc/X11 and logged in as root via su, and one seated in /home/westk and logged in as westk, and I want to delete /home/westk/fonts, I can type rm -rf fonts; if I'm in the wrong window, I've just messed up. However, if the first xterm is not logged in as root, I can type rm -rf fonts in either window without hurting myself. If I intend to delete the X11 fonts, I have to do the extra typing of sudo rm -rf fonts. In fact it makes it more likely. Doesn't take a red flashing prompt, just the same information you'd have with sudo. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} root Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# exit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} My prompt tells me the user, machine and path. Yes, you're right. Still, for me, I find that the small difference in the above prompts is more likely to lead to a mistake than either a garish root prompt or the extra step of using sudo. So for me, sudo does have a benefit on a single-user machine, which is all I'm trying to say. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West wrote: Unless you need to know two days after the fact, when you've forgotten when you did what when. Why would I need to know what I did and when I did it? If something is broken the path is clear... fix it! Wow. We must have totally different mindsets/operating styles. I'm forever needing to know when I did something. Usually not to fix a problem, but to build a context from which I can remember something else. (Let's see, I know I paid the electric bill online the same day I installed starvoyager; when was that? as a trivial and hypothetical example.) So again, we're simply back to the idea that sudo provides no benefit to you, but it does to me. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: I like the benefit of not having to worry about permissions on certain directories getting in my way when I am looking for information. For example.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log} cd exim4 cd: permission denied: exim4 This is so true. But this is a benefit of being root; it is not an argument in support of the claim that there is no benefit to sudo. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Ron Johnson wrote: From an xterm: $ su -m Then you can run /usr/sbin/synaptic from a # prompt in a user's xterm. Ah, okay. That's good, and decreases the benefit of sudo for me. (And thanks for quietly correcting my typo of bin to sbin.) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West wrote: So, I'm confused. Are you saying that the logging capability of sudo provides a benefit on a single-user machine (my claim), or not (the original claim)? I pointed out that sudo provides logging. You got into the semantics of logging Ah-HA, you said only who and what, but it also includes WHEN! My original point regardless of which W word attached to it is that sudo provides logging of whom did what. In a single-user machine that is known. I'm still confused. The original claim was that sudo provides no benefit on a single-user machine. We both seem to agree that sudo provides logging. You claim that you don't need logging on a single-user machine, because you know what you (the single-user admin) did when, whereas I claim that I find it useful to have a record of what I've done when. So, are you saying the logging provided by sudo on a single-user machine is or is not a benefit? Let's see Only I have access to root. It must've been... Kernel Kustard in /dev/audio with gcc that changed my apache.conf file! Nope, sorry, I know whom did it... ME. I know what I did. I was there doing it! I don't need logging to tell me that! Oh, you're saying that the logging provided by sudo on a single-user machine is not a benefit. Okay, I can see that you don't find benefit in using sudo. I still disagree with the global claim (which is what this entire thread has been about) that there is *NO* benefit to using sudo on a single-user machine. However, if one person, anywhere, finds sudo to be of benefit on a single-user machine, then the claim that there is *NO* benefit of sudo is simply incorrect. (I myself am such a person, so this is not just a hypothetical possibility.) Just becaonse one person finds benefit doesn't mean the benefit is real, tangible and generally applicable. I don't believe I ever said the benefit was generally applicable. What I said is that the claim that there is *NO* benefit to using sudo on a single-user machine is incorrect. If you are correct that any perceived benefits are not real and tangible, then the claim that there is no benefit to using sudo on a single-user machine is correct. I believe there are tangible benefits to using sudo on a single-user machine. You disagree. It seems to me to be a matter of opinion. If so, then the claim that there is *NO* benefit of using sudo on a single-user machine is not a fact, but is an opinion. So perhaps I was wrong to say that the claim is incorrect; I should have said that it's not factual. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pointer for home networking
michael wrote: I've had a look about but can't find a basic guide to setting up a home network. There seems much discussion of 'deeper' stuff but I'm stymied for setting up my first home Debian/Linux network. I've a computer that did have Internet connection via ethernet to a modem router. It's now connected to Internet by a USB modem. If the USB modem still has an ethernet connection, go buy yourself a router (unless the modem really is a router also, as you imply - you'll need at least two ethernet jacks on it). Also, you might consider getting a wireless-capable router, for when you get a laptop. The router will most likely have 3 or 4 ethernet jacks. Plug the router into the modem. I've a second computer with an ethernet card. So all I want to do is connect the latter to the former such that both can access the Internet... Plug each machine into the router (disconnect the USB/modem connection). So now you have your DSL/Cable/Satellite broadband connection coming into the house, which is plugged into the modem. The modem is plugged into the multi-port router. And the PCs are plugged into the router. Reboot/restart networking on each PC, and you'll probably have instant access. Fire up a web browser on one of the PCs, and point the web browser to whatever address the router's paper works indicates. This will connect you to a web interface (probably) configuration screen for configuring your router. You can tighten up your router (maybe it has a firewall you can turn on, or restrict wireless to discourage drive-by-net-accesses, etc) from within this utility. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pointer for home networking
michael wrote: michael wrote: I've had a look about but can't find a basic guide to setting up a home network. There seems much discussion of 'deeper' stuff but I'm stymied for setting up my first home Debian/Linux network. I've a computer that did have Internet connection via ethernet to a modem router. It's now connected to Internet by a USB modem. Clarification: I've no router (the old one is gone). The USB modem is not a router, just a modem. I don't want to fork out dosh for a modem/router. I've a second computer with an ethernet card. So all I want to do is connect the latter to the former such that both can access the Internet... Plug each machine into the router (disconnect the USB/modem connection). So now you have your DSL/Cable/Satellite broadband connection coming into the house, which is plugged into the modem. The modem is plugged into the multi-port router. And the PCs are plugged into the router. Reboot/restart networking on each PC, and you'll probably have instant access. Yes, I understand that approach, but it's not the route (pun intended) I want to go down. But thanks. Er, then I'm confused about what you're trying to accomplish. Perhaps you're trying to turn the computer that's plugged into the USB modem into a router, sharing it's internet connection with the second machine? -- Kent -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: Would you then agree that the supposed benefits of sudo in a single-user environment are far outweighed by the troubles of trying to wrangle people into using it instead of just teaching them good habits (regardless of tools) and getting them working. I really don't have an opinion about whether the supposed benefits ... outweigh (far, or barely) the troubles. (After this thread, I've fairly well swung around to your way of thinking.) However, what I've objected to all along is the claim that there is *NO* benefit to using sudo on a single-user machine; I originally claimed it to be incorrect, and then modified it to be not factual. Here's my original post: I'll grant that there may be considerably less reason to use sudo on a single-user machine, but to claim that there is *NO* benefit of sudo is simply incorrect. If the original claim had been I find *NO* benefit ..., or There's arguably *NO* benefit..., etc, I would have quit long ago. I accept the blame for being so stubborn on an issue of semantics, and wasting all this bandwidth. My apologies. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't start OpenOffice anymore
Bernard Fay wrote: Hello group, When I try to start OOo, I have the following error: The program 'soffice.bin' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. (Details: serial 83 error_code 1 request_code 143 minor_code 21) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) Does someone has a cure to this problem? I would start by renaming your ~/.openoffice directory. Or perhaps by creating a new user, logging in as that user, and trying to start OO.o to see if it's something with your account. You can try running soffice.bin from the command line to look for obvious error messages. You can also try running soffice.bin via strace, as in strace soffice.gin and look for any obvious errorr messages. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote: On a single user machine or for when the person who is pretty much the de facto administrator and they know to just su root, run the command and get the hell out of dodge there is *NO* benefit of sudo. 1. Training oneself not to run things as root is one benefit of sudo, so that you don't mess up when you go to another machine. 2. Not logging into X as root is another benefit. Running a single X client/app as root is different than running all of X as root. 3. Logging, provided by sudo, is not merely for the sake of knowing who did what; sometimes it's for who did what when, etc. I'll grant that there may be considerably less reason to use sudo on a single-user machine, but to claim that there is *NO* benefit of sudo is simply incorrect. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:29:09 +1200 Joel Peter William Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: [snip] 2. Not logging into X as root is another benefit. Running a single X client/app as root is different than running all of X as root. You can run su within a terminal in X, no one mentioned anything about running X as root. That's an aside from whether to use su or sudo for admin. Amen, brother. Administration in an xterm using su - is, to maintain the metaphor, sinfully easy. And when you need to run an X app? Ah, gotta muck around with Xauthority files now. And when you've got several xterms open, and only one of which is logged in as root, and you're switching back and forth and forget which one you're in when you type that rm -rf command? Sure, you can change your root prompt to be red and flashing, to help avoid this, but I'd prefer to intentionally do the extra step of typing sudo to prevent this sort of mishap. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Joel Peter William Pitt wrote: 2. Not logging into X as root is another benefit. Running a single X client/app as root is different than running all of X as root. You can run su within a terminal in X, no one mentioned anything about running X as root. That's an aside from whether to use su or sudo for admin. But not X apps. Not without tinkering with Xauthority files. 3. Logging, provided by sudo, is not merely for the sake of knowing who did what; sometimes it's for who did what when, etc. If it is a single user machine then the single user knows who did what and when, they are the only user... Unless you need to know two days after the fact, when you've forgotten when you did what when. There is more of a papertrail when tracking done an admin problem, but in general, for single-user machines su is adequate and less trouble to setup. I agree with this in general use; I just didn't agree to the original claim that there is *NO* benefit to using sudo on a single-user machine. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I cannot install anything!
Roger Creasy wrote: I just reinstalled my Sarge system. Everytime that I try to install a package, using Kpackage, I get the following error: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs RESULT=100 What is wrong? My guess is that you're installing from a Sarge 3.0 CD, which had a bug in it, as the /etc/apt/sources.list file was still pointing to testing instead of stable. What does your /etc/apt/sources.list file look like? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I cannot install anything!
On 9/24/2005, Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the same error from command line I did just reinstall...Maybe I need to reinstall again?? Agh! No. No need to reinstall. List the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list please. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printer
Kenneth P. Turvey wrote: I'm running Debian unstable and I connect to a wireless network on which there is a Windows XP box that has an HP PSC 750 connected to it. I would like to be able to use this printer to print web pages and PDF documents from my computer. A few years back setting up a printer under Linux was a real chore. It still can be. A lot depends on whether or not the PSC 750 is well-supported under Linux; a lot also depends on whether Windows is sharing the printer via smb or via standard lpr/lpd. If smb, you'll also have to install/configure a minimal Samba setup on your Linux box; if standard lpd/lpr, you shouldn't have much trouble. apt-get install cupsys followed by pointing your browser to http://localhost:631/admin should get you started. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NUM Lock , Home, End
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: PEBKAC? Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair Another common computer problem is the I.D. Ten-T issue, more commonly written as ID10T. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Computer Name
Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 23 September 2005 01:56 pm, Redefined Horizons wrote: Debian Users, I thought that the host name of my Debian box was the same as my computer name, but I just learned that they are not the same. How do I set the computer name, and what is the difference between the two? Sometimes, Windows calls the SMB hostname the computer name. Outside of SMB (and by extension, Windows), this distinction does not exist. Solaris boxes make the distinction, I believe. They have a computer name, and they have a hostname for each NIC/network/zone (a 'zone' being somewhat like a virtual machine). -- KEnt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Game like Road Rash on Linux
Joe Mc Cool wrote: Get to lift his head and look out at the real world. What is this real world of which you speak? And from where can I download this mod? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-window startup and other problems
Andrej Repisky wrote: I entered 'aptitude install x-window-system' and something started, but attempts to connect ftp.sk.debian.org failed. That's why the packages were not installed. I thought it was because of some drop out of debian servers, so I tried today again, but it was the same. Probably there's something with network settings, because I tried also 'ssh some host' and it didn't work. But the installation went allright from the network. Thank you for your help. So you're saying that your network does not work? What's the result of ifconfig? Can you ping anything by name? By number? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSH
Sean Whitton wrote: Hi Debian Community, A total newbie question, but... Is there any need to enable SSH, or will it just work out-of-the-box? Thanks! When you install ssh, it'll ask if you want to enable incoming connections or not. If you want to change your answer later, run dpkg-reconfigure ssh. -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-window startup and other problems
Mariusz Kruk wrote: Andrej Repisky napisał(a): Hello, I have encountered the following problem after installation of Debian i386 on a computer. For istallation I used CD that I had prepares using an image from the debian website. Most of the commands do not work. For example links, lynx, gcc and so on. But if I run aptitude, I see gcc-3.3 or something among the devel packages. Why doesn't the command gcc work, then? Another example is graphics -- X window. There is KDE and gnome among packages, but the command startx is not recognized. This was my first GNU/Linux installation and I'm not very experianced, you may advise me another mailing list if you feel annoyed by my e-mails. Did you actually install the needed packages, or do you see them only as available for install? Yes, your email does not make that clear. Try aptitude install lynx links gcc x-window-system and see what that does for you. -- Kent -- Kent West Technology Support /A/bilene /C/hristian /U/niversity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Overwhelmed newbie
Fritz Brown wrote: OK, everybody, THANKS! I finally got it installed without it asking me for all the extra packages (which is where the overwhelming part came in). Now, the only thing is I don't know how to start the GUI. I took most of the default settings (this is Woody, BTW - may try to get Sarge a little later) in the installer, and it comes up to a command line. Do I need to run apt to find a GUI and install it? X11 is the windowing system (GUI) used in Woody (X.org is the new version of X11). On top of X, you'll also need a window manager (such as Icewm or Fluxbox) and/or environment (such as KDE or Gnome). You can install X with a command like: apt-get install x-window-system You can install a wm (Window Manager) with a command like: apt-get install icewm You can install a DE (Desktop Environment) with a command like: apt-get install kde Or you can get a bunch of stuff all at once: apt-get install x-window-system kde icewm gnome openoffice.org mozilla-firefox (You will have to do these commands as root.) Once X is installed, you can start it with the command startx, or depending on what all you install, it may start automagically the next time you reboot (although you can pretty much forget about needing to reboot all the time, unlike what you had to do in the world of Windows). Oh yeah, and what is the login for root? I assumed it was root, but I should abviously read something informative before I go installing new OSs root is the username of the Administrator; the password for root is whatever you set it as during the install. You were asked for a root password, and then you were asked to create a normal user and to provide a password for that user. If you've forgotten what password you set for root, there are ways around it. By the way, it's a bad habit to run X as root; don't do it. (IIRC, Debian doesn't even allow X to run as root, by default.) Instead, run it as a normal user, and when you need to do rooty things, use sudo or sux (which you'll have to install -- apt-get install sudo sux) instead. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
