Re: Reasons for rights policies, political or technical ? Was : Re: pm-hibernate as user
On 19.12.2012 16:58, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.12.2012 16:25, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit : Michael Biebl wrote: On 19.12.2012 01:04, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Michael Biebl wrote: On 19.12.2012 00:34, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Except using sudo, I know no solution... sadly. Maybe you can do something with policykit, too, I never tried to understand how it works, but I think giving rights to some softwares is its role. sudo is one option, the other is to use upower (which runs as system daemon with root privileges) and use a command like this $ dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend This related to LXDE which I am trying out. The hibernate and suspend buttons do nothing in the logout menu. Googling says that LXDE uses pm-utils. So I was guessing that invoking pm-hibernate/suspend was involved, which I can do as root but not as user. Since the user session runs unprivileged, and pm-suspend/pm-hibernate need to run as root, you will need to go through a system service like upower. I know nothing about LXDE, but e.g. in GNOME, the power manager simply sends the above dbus requests when you hit the suspend button or close the lid. I would expect LXDE provides a similar user power management agent. Indeed. I found this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit#Suspend_and_hibernate Follow that and addgroup power and adduser to power and you can now hibernate and suspend. Hugo A bit out of topic, but I wonder why there is no other solution than using dbus to let a user shutdown/hibernate/suspend his computer? This is not the only point where the problem apply: you have same troubles with network, and maybe on other things I did not experiment (to add softwares and/or modify system-wide configuration files, I think it is perfectly normal to need root, because no normal user does those actions everyday). Of course, there are workarounds, with dbus, sudo... Of course, the way things are actually done is nice for enterprises, which need a high security level, at least for servers. See my recent post: Make sure your desktop environment is setting up a up proper consolekit session. Then stuff like that will work ootb. E.g. if you are using KDE and GNOME you won't have to deal with that. I'd say this is the price you pay for dealing with a more minimalist DE like LXDE. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pm-hibernate as user
On 19.12.2012 00:34, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Except using sudo, I know no solution... sadly. Maybe you can do something with policykit, too, I never tried to understand how it works, but I think giving rights to some softwares is its role. sudo is one option, the other is to use upower (which runs as system daemon with root privileges) and use a command like this $ dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pm-hibernate as user
On 19.12.2012 00:36, Michael Biebl wrote: $ dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend thinko on my part: you want org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate, of course. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pm-hibernate as user
On 19.12.2012 01:04, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Michael Biebl wrote: On 19.12.2012 00:34, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Except using sudo, I know no solution... sadly. Maybe you can do something with policykit, too, I never tried to understand how it works, but I think giving rights to some softwares is its role. sudo is one option, the other is to use upower (which runs as system daemon with root privileges) and use a command like this $ dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend This related to LXDE which I am trying out. The hibernate and suspend buttons do nothing in the logout menu. Googling says that LXDE uses pm-utils. So I was guessing that invoking pm-hibernate/suspend was involved, which I can do as root but not as user. Since the user session runs unprivileged, and pm-suspend/pm-hibernate need to run as root, you will need to go through a system service like upower. I know nothing about LXDE, but e.g. in GNOME, the power manager simply sends the above dbus requests when you hit the suspend button or close the lid. I would expect LXDE provides a similar user power management agent. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NFS automount not happening [solution confirmed]
On 10.12.2012 00:09, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 02:43:36PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Ross Boylan wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: This nfs startup part is a part that seems to have suffered from the transition from boot time scripts to event driven scripts. This kind of thing use to work in the previous init script way. I don't know the best design to make this work in the general case for the new event driven way. But at least in my testing it was sufficient to add this mount line to /etc/rc.local in order to mount additional nfs mount points at boot time. Do you think this is something that merits a bug/wish report? Against what package? That is the problem. There isn't really a package associated with nfs diskless clients. It isn't a thing as a configuration. And so I don't know if there is a single canonical owner for it. It would need some discussion to determine the best place for this. Perhaps others will have more insight into this topic. This is an area which could use quite a bit of work. Unfortunately, as you point out there isn't a single place to fix things--it touches a whole host of packages, from the initramfs to the initscripts, to udev and networking. Some things which need addressing: - use of tmpfses for non-writable locations like /media: we should be doing this by default; introducing /run/media on the /run tmpfs was one thing looked at for wheezy; but it didn't get done for reasons I can't recall offhand. Something to revisit for jessie. This not just specific to nfsroot, r/o root also needs it. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680403 - ASYNCMOUNTNFS in /etc/default/rcS (see rcS(5)). The fact this option exists indicates a problem. The basic NFS mounting at boot should Just Work in all situations, without gross hacks like this. - There are currently two places where NFS filesystem mounting can be triggered: /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs (triggered by ipup/udev) and /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh. There should ideally be just a single script, which should cater for all cases; the other script can just run the other. - NetworkManager from what I've observed from other bugs reports is hopelessly broken with NFS mounting at boot. Not really hopelessly broken. What of course doesn't work is mounting /usr via nfs in combination with NM since NM resides on /usr. Other than that, NFS volumes are mounted via the usual if-up.d hooks you mentioned above. The thing that broke here, is that Andrew added a ADDRFAM check to the mountnfs hook which clashes with NM uses of ADDRFAM. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems
On 14.12.2012 10:00, Aidan Gauland wrote: Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes: On 14.12.2012 05:06, Aidan Gauland wrote: How can I fix this? Given that HAL is deprecated, I suspect there is some other tool that serves the same purpose as pmount-hal that I should be using instead. yeah, hal is dead. You might try udisks --mount instead. I get Mount failed: Not a mountable file system It seems that udisks does not handle encrypted partitions. udisks-daemon does handle luks/cryptsetup encrypted partitions but it seems the udisks command line tool is too limited. Try gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo. This should prompt you for the passphrase, unlock and mount the file system under /media/FS_LABEL Can be unmounted again via umount /media/FS_LABEL Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems
On 14.12.2012 17:12, Michael Biebl wrote: Try gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo. This should prompt you for the passphrase, unlock and mount the file system under /media/FS_LABEL Just in case: If you run that command from a session which has no running dbus session bus, change that command to: dbus-launch gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems
On 14.12.2012 05:06, Aidan Gauland wrote: How can I fix this? Given that HAL is deprecated, I suspect there is some other tool that serves the same purpose as pmount-hal that I should be using instead. yeah, hal is dead. You might try udisks --mount instead. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: udev device mapper rules for early boot?
On 11.12.2012 19:00, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
Hello,
I have created a udev rule to set the owner of a specific block device:
SUBSYSTEM==block,
ENV{DM_UUID}==LVM-yYuoI8k05GWxZnz9BeEIwPUGGeojzF3dZZmXTYRqC051Tllj76OHdDlzYhKZUu7u,
OWNER=1000
[..]
I have added a custom hook to copy this rule into the initrd. I also
[..]
Does anyone have a suggestion of how I could debug this further? Why is
my rule ignored when the volume comes up the first time?
Just a wild guess: the initrd does not have a user/group with uid 1000,
so the chown fails.
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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!
On 10.12.2012 19:15, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: 3. The problem with the 32-bit nvidia accelerator (libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386) could I solve, that I removed all nvidia-packages from debian and used the installer from Nvidia's site. [..] The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxvmc1 : Conflicts: libxvmc1:i386 but 2:1.0.7-1 is to be installed. libxvmc1:i386 : Conflicts: libxvmc1 but 2:1.0.7-1 is installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: libvmc1 is simply not converted to multi-arch yet: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640499 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NFS automount not happening
On 08.12.2012 23:09, Ross Boylan wrote: 192.168.40.2:/usr/local/mnt/usr/local nfs defaults 0 0 192.168.40.2:/usr/local/var/media /usr/local/var/media nfs defaults 0 0 The root fs is mounted correctly (during the boot sequence, before it gets to fstab), but the other 2 NFS filesystems are not. I can mount them manually once the system is up. Can anyone suggest why the NFS automount is not working, or what to do about it? Use the _netdev option [1] or autofs [2]. Cheers, Michael [1] man mount [2] http://linux.die.net/man/5/autofs -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
On 27.11.2012 20:52, Adrian Fita wrote: I just did a cups package update (yes, I'm running Debian unstable) and noticed that the cups daemon was started after the upgrade. And indeed, looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst, the daemon is started with invoke-rc.d cups start after every installation. This means that even tho' I have disabled cups from starting at boot with update-rc.d cups disable, it will get started after an update/package reinstallation, Not correct. A sysv init script which has been disabled via update-rc.d service disable won't be started by invoke-rc.d service start Not saying that there might actually be a bug in cups' postinst script, but invoke-rc.d itself respects the enable/disable state. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
On 27.11.2012 22:47, Adrian Fita wrote: - my current runlevel is 2, I made sure that cups is indeed disabled: /etc/rc2.d/K02cups What does ls -la /etc/rc?.d/???cups say? If you properly disable cups via update-rc.d, the service is not run via invoke-rc.d. I've just tested this on my system. root@pluto:~# ls /etc/rc?.d/???cups /etc/rc1.d/K01cups /etc/rc3.d/S19cups /etc/rc5.d/S19cups /etc/rc2.d/S19cups /etc/rc4.d/S19cups root@pluto:~# /etc/init.d/cups status Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running. root@pluto:~# update-rc.d cups disable update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `cups' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (1 2 3 4 5) of script `cups' overrides LSB defaults (1). root@pluto:~# ls /etc/rc?.d/???cups /etc/rc1.d/K01cups /etc/rc3.d/K01cups /etc/rc5.d/K01cups /etc/rc2.d/K01cups /etc/rc4.d/K01cups root@pluto:~# invoke-rc.d cups start root@pluto:~# /etc/init.d/cups status Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
what does `runlevel` say? -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
On 27.11.2012 23:59, Adrian Fita wrote: On 28/11/12 00:52, Michael Biebl wrote: what does `runlevel` say? root@zero:~# runlevel N 2 Interesting. As already shown, I can't reproduce your problem. Not sure if this is because you ship a policy-rc.d script. It might help, moving that file away. checking with debsums if the sysv-rc have not been modified, might help, too. And last but not least, you can run the invoke-rc.d script via sh -x /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d cups start This should give us a clue what's going on. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
On 28.11.2012 00:22, Adrian Fita wrote: As soon as I reinstalled policyrcd-script-zg2, invoke-rc.d is starting the services again. So, is this expected behaviour, or is it a bug that I should report? I've never used policyrcd-script-zg2 and have no idea what this package is supposed to do, so I'm not sure if the behaviour is expected or not. That said, not respecting the enabled/disabled state looks like a bug too me. You might want to talk to the policyrcd-script-zg2 maintainer to get his input on that matter. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On 25.11.2012 00:27, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Or should I simply ignore all binaries in /lib/ ? Exactly, those binaries are not supposed to be started by hand. That's also why they have no man page or --help. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On 25.11.2012 16:13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/25/12, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 11/25/12, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... What are you expecting it to do? It doesn't hang. It is a system daemon which just waits sits there and waits for requests (via D-Bus). Nothing unexpected here aside from starting this tool directly. $ man systemd-hostnamed No manual entry for systemd-hostnamed The latest version of system has hostnamectl and a man page for systemd-hostnamed. Sounds good. I'll look out for it. Even if you weren't using systemd, you would've had the xterm problem because you removed the standard 127.0.1.1 ... line from /etc/hosts, False assumption. I reinstalled in a bit of a rush, and networking didn't get set up as part of installation. So that line never got put in by the installer. All I had was the 127.0.0.1 localhost line, to which I just added my proper hostname to solve this 'extended delay' problem. Should I put my proper hostname as a separate 127.0.1.1 line instead? although I'm not sure how xterm would behave with the hostname known by the kernel being different from the one on the 127.0.1.1 line. It hangs for 10 to 20s before opening. But only with systemd bootup. Today I suspended my laptop, took it off it's dock, put it back on dock about 3 hrs later and tried to unsuspend, no go - various usb errors spewing. Hard reset, no reboot under systemd (disk checks), try again, no. Back to /sbin/init, success. Try a final time to check systemd bootup - no go on systemd. So I'm now stuck back on /sbin/init. Again. And now, the xterm 'extended pause' does not happen, even if I remove my 'proper' hostname from /etc/hosts (so that I cannot ping my hostname). So, I guess it's time to file a bug, somewhere... in relation to systemd I have the impression you are fiddling a lot with your system without actually knowing what you are doing and you're breaking a lot while doing that. Please only file a bug report if there is actually a valid bug and not just some misconfiguration. Thanks, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... What are you expecting it to do? It doesn't hang. It is a system daemon which just waits sits there and waits for requests (via D-Bus). Nothing unexpected here aside from starting this tool directly. It would be like starting apache by hand and then wondering that it sits there waiting for requests via port 80. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: dbus and power management
On 20.11.2012 14:59, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Hi, I had an old python script for monitoring my laptop lid with dbus, and then suspending when it was closed. It doesn't work now because the dbus namespace on debian seems to have changed. dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.DeviceKit.Power was not provided by any .service files Does anyone know what I should be using now? I can't seem to find what I need in the new layout. org.freedesktop.UPower provided by upower http://upower.freedesktop.org/ http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/ -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
systemd hangs on fstab directory bindmount
Package: systemd Version: 44-5 Control: submitter -1 z...@freedbms.net On 20.11.2012 13:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/20/12, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 11/20/12, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: You mentioned, that you use some sort of encryption. Posting more details (fstab, cryptab, etc) might help. I suspect your problem is related to that. ... fstab: # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation # about 80GB UUID=e73a71d3-a391-40bc-9d45-55fa72f245c1 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /boot was on /dev/sda3 during installation # about 300MB UUID=75e1d222-c9df-4d10-93de-9da4cf005158 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 # swap was on /dev/sda6 during installation # about 3GB UUID=25d4ff20-1c78-4e1d-bd2a-2a0060e85f9a none swap sw 0 0 OK, here's my bad, I ignored /media/usb* entries (which are not relevant here), but also ignored two bind mount entries as follows (in hindsight, guess I was rushing), which are the systemd bug exposing culprits: /zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind,uid=1000,gid=1000,comment=systemd.automount 0 0 /zenlocal/zen/ /home/justa/zen none bind,uid=1000,gid=1000,comment=systemd.automount 0 0 This setup is pretty weird, I have to say. Those bind mounts overlap each other #[This setup provides for me to separate cruft in ~, /home/justa in this case, from my real files/ work files, which is /zenlocal/zen bindmounted as ~/zen in this case. This setup provides a very simple way to cleanly reinstall, then add a few symlinks (after these two bindmounts), and we're off to the races...] Commenting out the second bindmount above sees systemd hang just the same. Removing both, systemd starts fine. So it's not a systemd-induced bindmount circular-dependency problem, but simply an systemd's inability to handle plain directory (not device??) bindmounts. As before: $ systemctl --version systemd 44 debian +PAM +LIBWRAP +AUDIT +SELINUX +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP debian wheezy, systemd 44-5 Can someone please forward this to the systemd devs. It appears quite easy to test. Let's turn this into a bug report then, otherwise this issue will just be forgotten -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: systemd intermittent startup
On 19.11.2012 16:07, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/19/12, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: First, systemd worked. Now it hangs on bootup, with the following messages: ... Nov 19 14:31:12 localhost named[2353]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET//IN': 192.33.4.12#53 Perhaps it's too early for systemd and its bootup time improvements (of course, not booting up takes a lot longer :) ?? It works fine. You might need to fsck your disk but beyond that you're encountering delays because your NIC's firmware isn't loading so you network's not coming up and named is acting up. Thank you. I installed firmware-iwlwifi, now wired _and_ wireless work. Disks are fine. Wireless I hardware switched-off. Two wired eth networks, one inbuilt, one usb. Same hang when I undock (no usb devices, no ethernets, just plain laptop). Ie same named/avahi/dhclient 'hang' loop. Default samba4 install on relatively fresh wheezy install. So (I'm running only successfully on /sbin/init): apt-get purge samba4 apt-get autoremove rm /var/log/syslog # let's get really clean output! reboot # start with systemd # allow to timeout # login as root for system maintenance! #I'm supposed to be happy at this point and say yay vi /var/log/syslog ... WFT?!!?! No syslog file. I guess you have been dropped into the rescue shell. At this point no system services (including rsyslog) are running. So this is not surprising that there is no /var/log/syslog. Anyway, with that little of information it is basically impossible to say what's going wrong on your system. It even lacks basic information like what version of Debian you are using, what version of systemd etc. As for getting a more verbose debug log, there is plenty of documentation which is easily found by google. Try http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems or http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging You mentioned, that you use some sort of encryption. Posting more details (fstab, cryptab, etc) might help. I suspect your problem is related to that. I'm posting this from a system where systemd works like a bliss. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome recommends iceweasel-l10n-all
Hi, On 16.10.2012 18:29, Artifex Maximus wrote: Hello! On last Wheezy upgrade my system install all iceweasel-l10-* packages because gnome recommends -all package. Is it normal? I only need This is wanted, yes. To get a translated iceweasel. English and/or my native language and nothing else. Should be better to recommends only/at least one language I think. There is some logic What language would that be? Just picking one wouldn't work for everyone and be unfair to e.g. non-English speaking people (say we picked iceweasel-l10-en). Unfortunately it is not possible to express a dependency on a package depending the language that was used during system installation. when package selector able to choose at least one package to fulfill requirement. For example gcc recommends libc6-dev | libc-dev and not both. What might work is the following: All iceweasel-l10n-* packages have a Provides: iceweasel-l10-langpack and in gnome we depend on Depends: iceweasel-l10-all | iceweasel-l10-langpack This would allow you to uninstall the languages you don't need/want, while still making sure we have a fully translated iceweasel for everyone. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network manager DNS
On 23.09.2012 15:41, Marek Pawinski wrote: On 23/09/2012 13:06, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Marek Pawinskili...@pawinski.co.za wrote: Squeeze 6.05 amd64, I had backports enabled and made the mistake of updating to the latest back port kernel amongst other updates a few days ago. When I rebooted I had no internet connectivity so I removed the back port kernel thinking it was that. But now with my original 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel every time I reboot, /etc/resolve.conf is empty and I have to enter my DNS server by hand. If I can remember correctly I do not use network manger but placed my entries in the interfaces file. What are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf? Do you have any scripts in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/? Here they are, three of them: cat /etc/network/interfaces # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface #allow-hotplug eth0 #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp # The primary network interface auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.2.106 gateway 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.2.0 broadcast 192.168.2.255 cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile [ifupdown] managed=false Do you have any other network interfaces besides eth0? If eth0 is your only one and it is *not* managed by NM, then NM shouldn't touch /etc/resolv.conf and this would be a valid bug. In that case please file a bug against the network-manager package. Please follow the advice at [1] and include the logs for NM. Thanks, Michael [1] https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/Debugging -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: systemd
On 31.07.2012 21:05, Martin Steigerwald wrote: technical arguments like its Linux only and I found some limitations myself like its init script compabitibility does not take care of further initscript arguments like for openvpn initscript to tell it which VPN to start due to not supporting something like this at its design level As Tollef told you in [1], systemd solves this kind of issue with instanced services. This is not a limitation at its design level, it just means that sysvinit and systemd solve this particular problem in a different way which can't be mapped via a compat layer. Michael [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682615#10 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: syslog filter
On 10.07.2012 16:24, Michael Biebl wrote: With rsyslog you have powerful filtering capabilities and you can basically match on any part of the syslog message and drop it with the ~ operator. http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/property_replacer.html → Available Properties lists the properties you can match against. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: syslog filter
On 10.07.2012 15:37, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: there is a very specific daemon log which is generating every minute and i want this log not written in syslog message however the daemon itself not providing the facility to stop it. so is there any thing that i could configure debian not to accept this particular log. here is the log detail. uID 1619 Date Today 18:30:50 Host panda Messagetype Syslog Facility DAEMON Severity INFO Syslogtag pvemirror[7044]: Checksum 0 Message cluster syncronization finished (0.47 seconds (files 0.00, config 0.16)) Depends on the syslog daemon you are using. With rsyslog you have powerful filtering capabilities and you can basically match on any part of the syslog message and drop it with the ~ operator. http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: desktop notification gone
On 12.05.2012 13:53, Tom wrote: This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove, and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up. When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works. To show desktop notification, you need a notification service running. gnome-shell and KDE have one built-in and there is a standalone daemon called notification-daemon (which is used in GNOME 2 / GNOME 3 classic). Do you have a notification-daemon process running? If you start one manually via /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon do you get any error messages? Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: how to increase space for tmpfs /tmp
On 28.03.2012 20:27, Dom wrote: This change has caused me a number of (admittedly not too serious) problems. To get a better feeling for what kind of problems users with tmpfs-on-tmp run into, I think filing bugs against the affected packages would be a great idea. Ideally, usertagged, so they can easily be found [1]. Or file them against initscript/sysvinit and we re-assign them later accordingly. This way we can make a better decision if this particular change needs to be reverted, tweaked or can be kept. Roger, what do you think? Imho having more data can't hurt. Michael [1] I'd suggest User: pkg-sysvinit-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Usertags: tmp-on-tmpfs -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Latest update borks
On 05.03.2012 14:46, Frank McCormick wrote: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-2-686 FATAL: Module xhci not found. FATAL: Module ext4dev not found. FATAL: Module af_packet not found. FATAL: Module atkbd not found. FATAL: Module zfcp not found. FATAL: Module dasd_diag_mod not found. FATAL: Module dasd_eckd_mod not found. FATAL: Module dasd_fba_mod not found. FATAL: Module unix not found. WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_bOtJbL/lib/modules/2.6.38-2-686/modules.builtin: No http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659866 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome package now requires installing tracker?
On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote: Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you can complain about tracker. More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as requirement now. It was not just a few weeks ago. This requirement comes from upstream. (...) Any document to support that statement? Tom is right. gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the gnome meta package is just following upstream here. That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it. Michael [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/3.2.2/sources/ -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome package now requires installing tracker?
On 14.02.2012 18:13, Camaleón wrote: I'm not speaking about gnome-documents but gnome. I have gnome and I don't have installed many of the listed applications. What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like to know. Seriously, what is so hard to understand. The gnome-related metapackages in Debian are modelled after what upstream uses in their core [1] and apps [2] set of libraries and applications. Simple as that. That gnome-documents uses tracker is an implementation detail. Michael [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.2/ [2] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/ -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome package now requires installing tracker?
On 14.02.2012 18:49, Tom H wrote: Perhaps Debian's GNOME maintainers could change the dependency to a file indexer and have users choose the indexer that strikes their fancy (I'm assuming that there are many but I only know of Beagle - does Google Desktop Search have a Linux version?). Someone could submit such an RFE but I wouldn't expect the maintainers to go for it (it's my opinion not a certainty!). If such an alternate file indexer and metadata db provides the same functionality as tracker and the same (D-Bus) interfaces, this would be possible. There is none though. gnome-documents relies on the functionality of tracker, so there is no option really. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome-keyring problem
On 07.02.2012 09:12, Camaleón wrote: Johann Spies jspies at sun.ac.za writes: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 06:16:38PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: The following problem is preventing me from printing: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-SkXSYp/pkcs11: No such file or directory HP_LaserJet_P3005_15CFFF is not ready There are two (probably the same thing) bugs recorded about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653011 There's a possible bypass in that report (message #36) which basically consist in starting the associated daemon at login. I have seen that. I have gnome-keyring-daemon as a startup program in xfce but that makes no difference to the problem. Ensure the daemon/s are already started and if still no go, add your comments there. The bypass posted was for xfce/lxde users and at least it worked for the reporter. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649408 This seems to be solved in gnome-keyring 3.2.2-2 I have 3.2.2-2 installed and I still get the same errors about gnome-keyring being unable to connect to pkcs11. Then maybe this bug was not related to the issue. Yepp, these are two different issues. The one about pkcs11 is only affecting non-gnome (e.g. xfce). But the bug report has all details, really. So I won't repeat them here. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: icedove 8.0-2 not opening http links in browser
Hi everyone, On 20.01.2012 00:09, MRH wrote: Hi, After my recent update (Debian sid on amd64, icedove 8.0-2, iceweasel 9.0.1-1) everytime I click a link in email it asks me to choose an aplication to open the link with (Launch Application). I'm aware I can choose Iceweasel and tick to always use it, but I think it should (and did) use a global settings (ie x-www-browser, which is actually set to iceweasel). How can I fix it? I checked update-alternatives (for x-www-browser, it's OK), icedove / config: network.protocol-handler.app.http = x-www-browser What do I miss? Is it a bug? I was bitten by this bug too so I did some debugging and I think I found the culprit. Please see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658479#15 Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: hi, how to set gnome3 in fallback mode?
On 20.01.2012 08:34, shiyao.ma wrote: I did a fresh installation of debian tesing on my laptop. After first login, the gnome3 told me that due to hardware problem, gnome3 was in fallback mode. Thus, I installed the linux-firmware-nonfree. After a restart, the gnome3 was in standard mode automatically. However, I found myself like the fallback mode more. I found System settings-System info-Graphics has no setting of fallback mode. It just shows that I am in standard experience. How can I set it to fallback mode again? - Make sure gnome-session-fallback is installed. - Choose GNOME Classic in the login manager (gdm3) -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: install GNOME 3 in debian 6.0.3
On 07.01.2012 19:57, hamed hosseini wrote: *hi how can i install GNOME 3 in Debian 6.0.3? is GNOME 3 safe and stable for Debian 6.0.3?* No, that is not supported and easily possible. If you want GNOME 3, upgrade to testing or unstable. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Find which package has installed some file under /etc
On 18.12.2011 01:00, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Is there a way to find which package has installed some file under /etc? For conffiles, there is dlocate or dpkg -S, but what about the other files (installed in postinst)? ucf is also used to manage configuration files. As those files are not registered in the dpkg db, you need to use ucfq to query the ucf internal database. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: for those who dislike gnome3-shell
On 03.12.2011 18:24, Richard wrote: It really is a shame that the extensions to gnome-shell haven't been added to the repos. IMO had the deb devs done that, 80 % of the winges would not have happened. The only extension I'd like is the one which puts shutdown on the menu as well as suspend. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnome-shell-extensions We will even enable the alternative-status-menu by default in one of the next uploads. And in case you are wondering, why it's currently in experimental: It requires gnome-shell 3.2, which is currently in experimental and we have to wait from the release team until we get the ack for libgda/evo and gnome-desktop transitions. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Sid, GNOME 3: Alt-F2 stopped working
On 01.12.2011 11:58, Richard wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 04:30:42 -0600 Michael Biebl, 1.12.2011: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649577 ALT F2, enter command is functional, so is ALT F1, kill current app. So does ALT Backspace, delete last word in a xterm. maybe you need to update ? The version from experimental is indeed not affected by this bug. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: dbus issue
First of all, it is helpful to know if you are running (an up-to-date) squeeze, wheezy or sid system. On 01.12.2011 15:49, lina wrote: (it's related to former thread, but also different) Here the problem, gdm3 restart showed me Could not connect to system bus: failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory actually there is no /dbus directory under /var/run I checked the dbus and related libs seems installed, or might still lack someone, On wheezy and sid /run is a volatile tmpfs nowadays, and /var/run and /var/lock are symlinks pointing to /run resp. /run/lock. What is the output of ls -l /var/run and ls -l /var/lock ? The /var/run/dbus directory is created by the dbus init script. Do you start dbus in /etc/rc?.d/? ls -ls /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc?.d and the output of service dbus status will be helpful, too. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trouble with remote rsyslog
A couple of issues: On 30.11.2011 06:03, vr wrote: I'm having trouble getting remote rsyslog to work. Can anyone look over my config and offer clues what I've done wrong please? SENDING SERVER (99.30.25.3, Squeeze, up to date) /etc/rsyslog.conf $ModLoad imudp $UDPServerRun 514 main.info @99.30.25.3 mail.warn @99.30.25.3 mail.err @99.30.25.3 /etc/default/rsyslog RSYSLOGD_OPTIONS=-c4 On the client, i.e. the sending host, you don't need $ModLoad imudp and $UDPServerRun 514, that is only need for the receiving server. And as was already mentioned, you are sending the messages to yourself RECEIVING SERVER (99.30.25.2, Squeeze, up to date) /etc/rsyslog.conf $ModLoad imudp $UDPServerRun 514 /etc/default/rsyslog RSYSLOGD_OPTIONS=-r The options in /etc/default/rsyslog (as documented) are outdated. Keep the default compat level (-c 4) and use the $UDPServerRun directive, as you already did. A trivial example: sender (10.20.30.40): *.* @11.22.33.44 receiver (11.22.33.44): $ModLoad imudp $UDPServerRun 514 *.* /var/log/all That's all. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Sid, GNOME 3: Alt-F2 stopped working
On 01.12.2011 07:29, Brian Flaherty wrote: For a week or so, Alt-F2 (run a command) won't run anything. If I just type a command such as xterm, it says command not found. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649577 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome3 in fallbback mode even with radeon/R100_cp.bin is running ok
On 27.11.2011 05:56, Hor Jiun Shyong wrote: Hi, My Gnome 3 still runs in fallback mode even after installing firmware-linux-nonfree for radeon/R100_cp.bin. Appreciate if anyone could provide some advice, thanks. Jiun Shyong R100 type hardware is not sufficient (missing OpenGL functionality). IIRC the minimum required hardware is R300 and onwards. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: disable Gnome 3 screen lockout
On 20.11.2011 15:45, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:33:36 -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Upgrade to Gnome 3 has enabled a screen lockout after inactivity. I used to be able to find such things. How do I disable this. Go to System configuration → Personal sub-section → Screen and turn it off from there. Just use the builtin search. Start gnome-control-center, type lock, et voila. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: disable Gnome 3 screen lockout
On 20.11.2011 15:45, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:33:36 -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Upgrade to Gnome 3 has enabled a screen lockout after inactivity. I used to be able to find such things. How do I disable this. Go to System configuration → Personal sub-section → Screen and turn it off from there. Just use the builtin search. Start gnome-control-center, type lock, hit enter, et voila. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: disable Gnome 3 screen lockout
On 20.11.2011 16:00, Camaleón wrote: Start gnome-control-center, type lock, hit enter, et voila. That won't work in a localized GNOME ;-) In Spanish the term is bloquear so searching for lock returns no results. I obviously would assume that a Spanish speaking person would use the Spanish word for lock if he runs a DE with a Spanish locale. And localized search will of course work. I use de_DE and searching for sperren (German for lock) does turn up the correct results. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NIS user member of plugdev, gnome-mount of flash drive raises error [SOLVED]
On 27.03.2010 08:17, Joseph Lenox wrote: On 3/25/2010 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: You might try using at_console and consolekit. I tried installing policykit and using that, got identical errors as without (Dbus access error). How exactly do you users login and start their X session? gdm, kdm, XDMCP anything else? If the user is logged in, does he have an *active* ConsoleKit session? Check the output of ck-list-session. After a lot of fiddling, I finally modified the hal configuration in dbus to allow those interfaces to all users (copy/paste'd the relevant lines from the plugdev entry). Opening up the hal configuration completely is dangerous so I strongly recommend against that. Try to find out, why consolekit is not working as expected. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 26.03.2010 22:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. In Sid/Squeeze, gnome-volume-manager no longer handles automounting of removable drives. That is directly managed within nautilus/gvfs nowadays. You can configure this settings in nautilus: Edit-Preferences-Media. See also the changelog of gnome-volume-manager. The main purpose of g-v-m in sid/squeeze remains to handle special cases like handling webcam plugin events and stuff. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NIS user member of plugdev, gnome-mount of flash drive raises error
Am 25.03.2010 23:38, schrieb Joseph Lenox: I tried the pam_group approach, and id says the user is in the plugdev group, but I'm still getting a permissions error from DBus. Adding the exact user to the plugdev group on the local machine worked as far as the mounter. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501807 You might try using at_console and consolekit. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?
Am 17.03.2010 09:05, schrieb Mark Allums: Gnash is a noble effort. Gnash sucks. I want choice, and my choice is Adobe Flash. Installing Gnash screws up Flash. Right now, I can refuse to update GNOME on Squeeze any further, but the time will come when that will not be a viable option. Why does GNOME require Gnash? And what can I do to put a stop to it? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome2/debian/?rev=23128sc=1 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Change In Restarting Services
On 18.03.2010 09:38, Adamou Nacer wrote: It seems to me that the debian way to achieve this task from the commandline is to use the following command: invoke-rc.d networking restart invoke-rc.d is not really meant to be used by the casual system admin/user. It was designed to be used in debian maintainer scripts. You should better use /etc/init.d/foo action or service foo action Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why does resolv.conf change?
On 18.03.2010 16:53, Clive McBarton wrote: My /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten periodically. Any ideas why? I thought network-manager was the culprit and deinstaled it, but the problem persists. If you are using network-manager, you can easily Open nm-connection-editor and select the connection your are using, got to the ipv4 settings tab In the Method dropdown box, specify Automatic (DHCP) adressess only, and set set your dns server and search domain to you wishes. When you then activate that connection in nm-applet, network-manager will not use the settings from the dhcp server but the one you've setup manually. hth, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Rsyslog template
On 27.01.2010 22:14, Stan Hoeppner wrote: /usr/share/doc/rsyslog-doc/html/ My Linux machines are all headless, and I've never bothered with trying to symlink all the various html doc directories into lighty virtual directories just to get access to them via a browser. That is a huge waste of OP time. This penchant for html documentation is a PITA for administering headless servers. Quite frankly, this really surprises me in the case or rsyslog. The folks around the world most likely to be making serious use of rsyslog capabilities (not casual use) are the most likely to be running a datacenter full of headless servers without easy access to these html doc directories. Plain text versions of all Debian/Linux system documentation should be included by default. I'm guessing the rsyslog folks don't provide plain text only documentation, and the Debian rsyslog maintainers didn't want to take the time to create a plain text only version of the docs. How about the case for headless servers that don't run a web server at all? How then does an admin access this html documentation for rsyslog? This is a sad state of affairs IMO. You can use lynx or w3m for viewing html files on the console or via SSH. That said, the documentation of rsyslog can certainly be improved. Especially the organization is lacking. There is a lot of documentation but not very well structured or indexed. Rsyslog upstream is looking for help here, especially with regard to docbook, which would allow several output formats. So anyone with experience in that area is most welcome. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Rsyslog template
On 27.01.2010 06:21, Stan Hoeppner wrote: less than a fan of rsyslog after upgrading to Lenny and finding that rsyslog has a virtual memory footprint of over 30MB(!) compared to only a few hundred kilobytes for the old sysklogd. Rsyslog is a $deity d...@mn memory hog, and there's no good reason for that. Any syslogd should be miserly on resources. You need to be careful with those numbers. That is virtual memory, which doesn't tell you a lot, and is is basically due to rsyslog using modules. The linux linker reserves 10Mb virtual memory per dlopened module. The default debian rsyslog.conf comes with 2 modules loaded = 20Mb + 10 Mb for the rsyslog main process = 30 Mb virtual memory. What is more interesing is the resident or writable memory. rsyslog uses 560 Kb of resident memory on my machine. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: kdm not working after upgrade from KDE 3.5 to 4.3.4
Thierry Chatelet wrote: This is a bug in kdm squeeze and sid. You have to log twice and it will work. Thierry This was actually an issue with consolekit and fixed consolekit packages are in unstable and will transition to testing in a few days. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: syslog on Lenny
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Thursday 14 January 2010 07:27:22 Roman Gelfand wrote: I am running a service which generates logs. What do I need to do to haave these log entries also appear in syslog? That's not how syslog works. There's isn't a process that goes through and gathers logs from various services and glues them together into a unified syslog. Instead there's a unified syslog service (C system call) that multiple applications can use. Each time a log is made it is tagged with a facility and level. Then your syslog daemon receives all these logs. It writes most of them out to syslog, but it can also differentiate based on facility, level, and content of the log message. BTW.. I modified /etc/rsyslog.conf file adding 'abcf.* -/var/log/abc.log' line. This didn't make a difference. This would mean that anything logged using the syslog interface (C language call) that started with abcf.* would be written to /var/log/abc.log by your syslog daemon. It does not causes the syslog daemon to pull messages out of /var/log/abc.log, add the abcf prefix and append them to /var/log/syslog. If you want the syslog daemon to see the messages logged by a program, that program has to support using syslog and you have to configure it to write to syslog (generally by specifying a facility and, optionally, a prefix), possibly in addition to other logging. Then, if you want the messages to appear somewhere in addition to / instead of /var/log/syslog, you configure your syslog daemon by filtering on the facility/level/content. Thanks Boyd for the nice explanation. I just want to add, that rsyslog actually has the ability to pull messages out of an arbitrary file (although I wouldn't use this mechanism on a syslog log file). See http://www.rsyslog.com/doc-imfile.html for further info Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: several udevd processes
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: On testing(squeeze) systems with udev version 149-1 there are running three udevd processes. Is this intended, and if yes, why? TIA for any hints. This is normal. Afaik this was done to speed up processsing of (new) devices. In previous versions, udevd spawned a new udev process everytime when a (new) device was processed. This processes you see now are called workers and the main udevd process hands over the processing of devices to them instead of spawning new ones. I think the NEWS file has some references to that. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Laptop won't resume from suspend to ram
Adriano Vilela Barbosa wrote: PS: Is there a way to know which packages migrated from sid to testing on a given day? If so, and given that some package upgrade was indeed what caused the problem, that would help me find the culprit. dpkg writes a log in /var/log/dpkg.log. You can check there which packages have been upgraded. To debug the suspend to ram failure, you can run PM_DEBUG=1 pm-suspend (as root) and check the log file /var/log/pm-suspend.log for failures. (You can send me private copy if you want). Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Please test experimental gvfs packages
Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, Hi since Michael Biebl fixed IDE CD support in devicekit-disks, the GDU-enabled version of gvfs (currently in experimental) should be usable again. The packages and the versions are gvfs_1.4.1-5+gdu gvfs-backends_1.4.1-5+gdu gvfs-bin_1.4.1-5+gdu (optional) gvfs-fuse_1.4.1-5+gdu (optional) logout/login from your current GNOME session (or reboot your machine). Before uploading it to unstable, I’d appreciate if some adventurous people could test it and report any regressions. I'm especially interested if automounting/media detctions of cd-roms is working properly with ide-cd. You will easily know if you are using ide-cd, if your cd-rom device is something like /dev/hd* (whereas libata used /dev/sr* resp. /dev/scd*). If you have any problems, please CC me or contact me directly. Succesfull test report are of course also welcome. Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
Preston Boyington wrote: (commented in-line) On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: snipped You are using Debian testing, so I guess you use NM 0.7. specifically 0.7.1-1 If so, you have two options: Mark the connection as system connection in nm-connection-editor (Available to all users). This way the key is stored system wide (in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/). That's basically what wicd does. for whatever reason after I check the box (Available to all users) it doesn't seem to stick. You most likely didn't install the policykit and policykit-gnome package (which is a recommends of network-manager-gnome) The other option is, to use libpam-gnome-keyring. Set your keyring password the same as your login password, and on login your gnome-keyring will automatically be unlocked. I've re-created my keyring and made sure that the libpam files are installed. Still the same message. After rebooting I took a more careful look at the message: The application 'NetworkManager Applet' (/usr/bin/nm-applet) wants to access the default keyring, but it is locked so is it actually talking about the little applet running in the taskbar not having permission? what's the workaround for this... other than typing the password each time. As already said, setting gdm to autologin will of course not work. you actually have to type your password once. If you are using autologin, you might just as well use a blank password for your gnome-keyring (not that i recommend that). Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
Preston Boyington wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Mark the connection as system connection in nm-connection-editor (Available to all users). This way the key is stored system wide (in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/). That's basically what wicd does. for whatever reason after I check the box (Available to all users) it doesn't seem to stick. If you check the box, the Apply button should change its icon and have a keyring on it. Then pressing Apply should pop up an authentication dialog, asking you for the root password. Do you get such a dialog? For further discussion, I guess we should take this off list. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
Preston Boyington wrote: I have Debian Testing with the Gnome environment setup on a friends' laptop. In an effort to make things easier to use I'm trying to stick with Network Manager because of the PPP support for the USB cellular broadband. Each time the computer is started (GDM auto logins to user) NM asks to access the default keyring. How do I get it to automagically work without having to input the keyring password each time? Wicd does this automatically without this annoyance so how do I set NM up to work the same way? So far my searching hasn't found a good workaround. Any help will be appreciated. You are using Debian testing, so I guess you use NM 0.7. If so, you have two options: Mark the connection as system connection in nm-connection-editor (Available to all users). This way the key is stored system wide (in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/). That's basically what wicd does. The other option is, to use libpam-gnome-keyring. Set your keyring password the same as your login password, and on login your gnome-keyring will automatically be unlocked. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: CD Drawer open/close by itself
Antoine Cailliau wrote: The problem is the following one: when I open my cd drawer (with eject or by pressing the button on the drawer), the drawer open and then close (after less than 1 sec). I do not know what I can do to narrow my search and locate the faulty part in order to solve the bug. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550316 For the time being, we disabled gdu/devicekit-disks support in gvfs again (update to 1.4.1-2), which triggered this behaviour. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Unable to shutdown or restart from gnome
Mr. Wang Long wrote: Hi, Recently I upgrade devicekit-power from 009-1 to 011-1 and gnome-power-manager from 2.26.3-1 to 2.28.0-1 (experimental). After that I cannot shutdown or restart or suspend from gnome: The shutdown item in system menu near the top-left corner disappeared, left only lock screen and log out. Any ideas? I upgrade gnome-power-manager to experimental because devicekit-power breaks lower versions of that package. You will have to wait for gnome-session 2.28 or downgrade gnome-power-manager to 2.24, the current version in unstable. When gnome-session 2.28 is uploaded to unstable, gnome-power-manager 2.28 from experimental will also be uploaded to unstable. I.e, there is a reason why gnome-power-manager 2.28 is currently in experimental :-) Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
Joe wrote: Michael Biebl wrote: Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I recently did a sid dist-upgrade, and could no longer boot using linux-image-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem kernel and had to boot off an old 2.6.26 kernel. .. This is a problem. I guess the real problem is, that you should be more careful when doing dist-upgrades about which packages are removed. Or better use a simple upgrade which does not remove packages automatically. So could I ask what the correct answer actually is? Just wait a couple of days until this issue is sorted out properly. Until then, just put the lvm/dmsetup package on hold and be careful when you uprade. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I recently did a sid dist-upgrade, and could no longer boot using linux-image-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem kernel and had to boot off an old 2.6.26 kernel. .. This is a problem. I guess the real problem is, that you should be more careful when doing dist-upgrades about which packages are removed. Or better use a simple upgrade which does not remove packages automatically. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Sysv-rc (Urgent)
Am 07.09.2009 15:04, schrieb David Baron: 2. It may be a while before many debianers will in fact migrate. Some may never do so. Sysv-rc is uninstallable if the safety-check comes up with errors. Since, once these errors are fixed and one rally wants to go over, one must run dpkg-reconfigure, why should sysv-rc be unconfigured? This should probably be a bug-report. That is indeed a bug, and I guess it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545261 which you encountered. It's already been fixed and a new package has been uploaded Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Sysv-rc (Urgent)
David Baron wrote: Purging bittorrent and the othes leaves me with obsolete init.d scripts from jackd and timidity. I want these packages but not necessarily the init.d scripts to start them. (In fact, Timidity now has a separate daemon package.) So how do I fix this. The correct way to disable is not to remove the symlinks (which insserv complains about) but to rename the S?? symlinks to K?? symlinks. See also man(8) update-r.cd If you do that, then the upgrade check should no longer complain. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network Manager cannot be removed
Stefan Monnier wrote: I'm not fond of wicd (I think its UI is pretty clunky), but at least it's not as fundamentally flawed as NM (which didn't seem to understand that Gnome is designed for POSIX systems which are by nature multi-user; Can you explain what exactly you mean by that and why NM isn't multi-user. Seems more like the usually NM bashing, sorry, but I'm willing to clear any misconceptions about NM. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Network Manager cannot be removed
JoeHill wrote: This is going to drive me nuts. I've removed Network Manager in the past because it causes no end of trouble, especially because it never seems to think I'm connected to the Internet, so everything starts in 'offline' mode. Assuming you are using testing/unstable: I guess you have your network interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces. The default configuration in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings is managed=false, which tells NM to ignore interfaces configured in /e/n/i. Now you can either set managed=true (and killall nm-system-settings) or remove the interface configuration in /e/n/i and manage the connection via NetworkManager. A third way is, if you want to *disable* NM without uninstalling it, to disable the init script, so the daemon is not started at boot and none of the desktop applications will then query NM for on/offline state. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reliable remote logging with rsyslog on lenny
Cameron Hutchison wrote: How do I enable the reliable logging feature of rsyslog? You will need to install the rsyslog and rsyslog-relp package from backports, as in lenny there is no rsyslog-relp package, thus no relp functionality. Cheers, Michael [1] http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php [2] http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/rsyslog -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Configuring polkit-gnome-authorization without a root password
louish wrote: On 8/9/09, Michael wrote: (Sorry for the delayed reply.) LH wrote: What changes do I need to make to my Debian setup that would allow me to configure Authorizations without an explicit root password. I know http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536490 That appears to solve the problem. But how much of a security risk is it to work under the admin group? I guess you were refererring to the adm group, as there is no admin group in a default debian setup. It's correct, that the adm group has some special privileges in Debian, like e.g. acess to all log files. If you are worried about this, create your own group, like localadmins, and use that in the PolicyKit conf file. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 60 console-kit-daemons
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, Since upgrading to the latest Xorg htop shows 60 console-kit-daemons. Do I need all 60? What do they do? Actually there are 64 threads all the time. This describes the phenomenon: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57491 Nobody noticed this? You will! You might as well just have looked at the Debian BTS http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526499 This bug report also has some links to background information what the reasons are behind the 64 threads (and possible fixes). Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Configuring polkit-gnome-authorization without a root password
Louis Housman wrote: What changes do I need to make to my Debian setup that would allow me to configure Authorizations without an explicit root password. I know http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536490 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: X11 without HAL: DontZap in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't work anymore
Rick Thomas wrote: On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp This is good to know. How often does this have to be done? Can I do it once and have it survive past closing my X session? Past logging out? Past a reboot? There was some talk earlier of a Debian-Specific patch that would restore this functionality as the default option. What has happened to that? dpkg-reconfigure console-setup Anser Yes to: | By default the combination Control+Alt+Backspace does nothing. If you │ │ want it can be used to terminate the X server. │ │ │ │ Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? (tested with 1.44) -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: mounting ntfs partition
Nima Azarbayjany wrote: Yes, you're right. So can anyone tell me why is this message that the file system is unknown in printed? Do you have /usr on a separate partition? Because ntfs-3g on Debian is installed to /usr. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: automount - gnome-volume-manager vs. nautilus
Wolodja Wentland wrote: Hi all, I have been using gnome-volume-manager to automount USB/CD/.. media but that no longer works for me. I am *not* running GNOME, but some GNOME related Does anybody have good suggestions? What kind of desktop environment are you running? If you need a desktop agnostic automount daemon, maybe ivman is for you (although I never used it myself). Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: automount - gnome-volume-manager vs. nautilus
Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 17:12 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Wolodja Wentland wrote: Hi all, I have been using gnome-volume-manager to automount USB/CD/.. media but that no longer works for me. I am *not* running GNOME, but some GNOME related Does anybody have good suggestions? What kind of desktop environment are you running? I am running xmonad - so no DE at all. If you need a desktop agnostic automount daemon, maybe ivman is for you (although I never used it myself). It seems like ivman is orphaned [1], so i don't think it is a good alternative. Well, if it works, why not. It should probably have been titled as RFA. Anyways, there is also thunar (from Xfce). You can run thunar --daemon and use thunar-volman -c for configuration. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to add a hibernate shortcut?
tchomby wrote: Is there a way to add a one-click panel icon and/or keyboard shortcut to hibernate the computer? apt-get install gnome-power-manager -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Things I'm missing/misconfiguring in KDE 4.2
M. Henne wrote: Hi all, After playing with KDE 4.2 for a while, I was able to regain some functionality of KDE 3.5, but I'm still missing some things that I either haven't found yet or they did not exist. If they exist, can someone tell me how to get that function? 1. (program starter) In KDE 3.5, there was a mini-application for the kicker that gave me an input line to enter a command and start a program directly. I could not find that in KDE 4. 2. (math expressions) There was a kicker applet that was able to evaluate mathematical expressions that could be typed in using an input line on the kicker. There is such a thing in KDE 4, but it lacks a lot functionality (e. g., it has no history and could not parse some functional inputs). Should both be provided by krunner, which you can access by pressing ALT+F2 FWIW, krunner is much more powerful then the old ALT+F2 dialog. 4. (konsole tab to window) In the Konsole of KDE 3.5 I was able to turn an opened tab into a new Konsole window. It's not possible in Konsole of KDE 4. ALT+SHIFT+H ? Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: not an 8139C+ compatible chip, Try the 8139too driver instead
jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Now in 2.6.29-1-686 it just says 8139cp :00:0f.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip, use 8139too I assume use here is short for using and means I, the emitter of this message, will use, and not you, the person reading this message, should use, and thus I needn't worry about it. blacklist the 8139too module and be happy. echo blacklist 8139too /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: not an 8139C+ compatible chip, Try the 8139too driver instead
Michael Biebl wrote: jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Now in 2.6.29-1-686 it just says 8139cp :00:0f.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip, use 8139too I assume use here is short for using and means I, the emitter of this message, will use, and not you, the person reading this message, should use, and thus I needn't worry about it. blacklist the 8139too module and be happy. echo blacklist 8139too /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf Argh, the other way around, of course: echo blacklist 8139cp /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian's glacial movement--a rant
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Hi I've never been pissed off at Debian before but I guess there is always a first. That's usually not a good way to start a discussion (admitted, you said it's a rant, but aI'll try to answer anyway). I'm experiencing a bug in Gnucash that appeared a couple of days ago on my system that makes Gnucash completely unusable for me. I turned in a bug report on Friday, checked on it yesterday, and by today the bug had been blocked from being displayed. It could be found by searching Debian's bug tracker, but only if you know the bug id number. If you just search for bugs in Gnucash the bug does not appear to exist. The bug was closed, and blocked, because it's been fixed upstream in version 2.2.9 which was released by Gnucash in February of this year. Older bugs that have been fixed are automatically archived, so no longer show up by default. The bts allows you though, to show both archived and unarchived bug reports. If you are using the web frontend, scroll down to the bottom. Great. The bug has been fixed. Why it needed to be hidden from being displayed is puzzler for me, but that's the way it is. Now the bad news. Since Gnucash in both Sid and Sqeeze is now at version 2.2.6 I only have to wait until Debian works through versions 2.2.7 and 2.2.8 before Gnucash in Debian finally becomes usable for me again in version 2.2.9. As Sid is only 9 months behind Gnucash's release schedule at this point I guess the fact that all my business records for the last couple of years are in Gnucash means I'll be able to start doing my business accounting again sometime after the first of next year, at a minimum, if I wait for Debian so what is your point? Do you think the bug report was not correctly handled by the maintainer? Could you please point us to the relevant bug number. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian's glacial movement--a rant
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Biebl wrote: Freddy Freeloader wrote: Hi I've never been pissed off at Debian before but I guess there is always a first. That's usually not a good way to start a discussion (admitted, you said it's a rant, but aI'll try to answer anyway). I'm experiencing a bug in Gnucash that appeared a couple of days ago on my system that makes Gnucash completely unusable for me. I turned in a bug report on Friday, checked on it yesterday, and by today the bug had been blocked from being displayed. It could be found by searching Debian's bug tracker, but only if you know the bug id number. If you just search for bugs in Gnucash the bug does not appear to exist. The bug was closed, and blocked, because it's been fixed upstream in version 2.2.9 which was released by Gnucash in February of this year. Older bugs that have been fixed are automatically archived, so no longer show up by default. The bts allows you though, to show both archived and unarchived bug reports. If you are using the web frontend, scroll down to the bottom. Great. The bug has been fixed. Why it needed to be hidden from being displayed is puzzler for me, but that's the way it is. Now the bad news. Since Gnucash in both Sid and Sqeeze is now at version 2.2.6 I only have to wait until Debian works through versions 2.2.7 and 2.2.8 before Gnucash in Debian finally becomes usable for me again in version 2.2.9. As Sid is only 9 months behind Gnucash's release schedule at this point I guess the fact that all my business records for the last couple of years are in Gnucash means I'll be able to start doing my business accounting again sometime after the first of next year, at a minimum, if I wait for Debian so what is your point? Do you think the bug report was not correctly handled by the maintainer? Not at all. I'm saying because of how far Debian is behind in versions of Gnucash it's going to be unusable by me at least until next year if Debian stays at its current time lag behind Gnucash releases. As I have all my business records stored in Gnucash this is a major problem for me. This isn't aimed at any one developer. It's just a commentary on how Debian moves forward. And, that's not always a bad thing. In most cases it's fine as it means stable is exactly that in all meanings of the word, but in this instance this really bites me in a bad way. About my only choices are to spend a couple of days rebuilding and restoring my system with a Lenny install, or moving to a distro that has the current version of Gnucash. Part of this is also Gnucash's responsibility because 2.2.9 is built against glib = 2.6. Not many distro's are using that version of glib, so it doesn't seem to me to make a whole lot of sense if they want the latest versions of their software to be used. That decision practically guarantees that their a lot of their bug fixes won't be available for the better part of a year to most Linux users. You can't even compile from source because of it unless you want to start making what are risky changes for most users. I certainly couldn't predict what upgrading glib to version 2.6 would do to my system. I've been using Debian now for almost 6 years, with a lot of that time spent running testing or unstable on my desktop, and this is the first time I've run across a bug that makes a package I depend on for my business unusable for approximately a year. I find that to be a big problem. Who says, it will take a year. Honestly that sounds a lot like BS. A lot of libraries were freezed during the lenny release and there are a couple of library transitions (include libglib) currently ongoing. My guess is, that it will take one more week or two, until the gnome transitions have settled and after that there is a reasonable chance that you might expect a new version of gnucash. You also have to keep in mind, that for a business critical system, stable or testing is likely a better option. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: remote log apache2
michal krajcirovic schrieb: Hello, I have a simple network architecture in which the need to remotely log on apache2. On servers running the same sites for which requests are sent via loadbalancers. And I want to periodically (eg every minute) the logs send to a central log server. +--+ | apache 1 |-\ +--+\ ++ | log server | +--+/ ++ | apache 1 |-/ +--+ I tried syslog-ng, but not satisfied me too, someone used some other solution that would recommend? I'd suggest a simple central log server (using rsyslog). And on the apache host, you log to rsyslog then forwards the message to the rsyslog server Configuration on the rsyslog server (/etc/rsyslog.conf) snip $ModLoad imudp $UDPServerRun 514 snip local0.* /var/log/apache_host1.log local1.* /var/log/apache_host2.log Configuration on the apache host / syslog client /etc/rsyslog.conf snip local0.* @192.168.1.1 (ip address of your rsyslog server, choose facility local1 on your second apache host) snip apache.conf ErrorLog syslog:local0 ... CustomLog |/usr/bin/logger -p local0.info common That's it. See also [1] hth, Michael [1] http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Logging-in-Apache/3/ -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problems bridging wpa-supplicant
Bob van der Moezel wrote: I am trying to bridge a wireless channel with a wired channel (and some KVM tap/tun channels for virtual servers). I am running Debian Testing, bridge-utils 1.4-5 and wpasupplicant 0.6.4-3. Any ideas to get this to work? (I sent two days without any luck). I think you need parprouted for that to work Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suspend/Resume issues - Custom scripts not running? Mouse frozen?
Alex Riebs wrote: Hi. I recently installed Debian Lenny onto my Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop. I'm having issues getting resume to work properly. I can suspend, but when I resume and compiz was running, my screen shows up with only my cursor and some corrupted textures. I attempted to solve this by writing a script /etc/acpi/suspend.d/00-compiz.sh that executes the following: Code: pm-utils is the default power management suite when you are using HAL (via gnome-power-manager or kpowersave). You should write a script for pm-utils, not acpid. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is there a way to recover network-manager wep keys without network manager
Micha Feigin wrote: I moved to wicd some time ago from network manger and I have a wep key to a network I used to work with some time ago tucked away with network-manager that is no longer installed. Is there a way to recover that key? Keys are stored in gnome-keyring (use gnome-keyring-manager or seahorse to look at them) when you are running GNOME or kde wallet (kwalletmanager), when you are using knetwormanager/KDE -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question: Power Button Shutdown
Chris wrote: When I push the power button it does end up showing the KDE log-off dialog with the normal options though - maybe something changed in KDE. In case you are using kpowersave, you can change this behaviour quite easily: right click on the kpowersave systray icon, choose Configure KPowersave, on the General Settings tab under Button Events, configure it to your liking. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian Stole My Name!
Hal Vaughan wrote: But I've learned, the hard way, NEVER file a bug report in a FOSS project. I have several times and have yet to find one where the developers were appreciative of the bug report. I'll go even farther: In most cases they've been outright hostile and I've had times where they've told me off to justify closing the bug. If that would be true, do you think that *two* DDs would even bother to reply to you on this list and research this issue to get it fixed? I have learned, that in FOSS it is really important how you say things. Remember that we are all volunteers and love what we do (and often feel very emotional about it). If you are getting bug reports which are insulting or call your work a load of crap, then you are much less inclined to work on this issue. A few kind words and appreciation can do wonders. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian Stole My Name!
Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, Short answer is hal is accepted now for lenny d-i On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:05:09AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 04:01:59PM +0800, paragasu wrote: maybethe debian installer do not permit you to use the username hal. Create any user. after the installer finish.. you can login and create user 'Hal' with adduser.. ;) hal package have changed ... hal (0.5.7.1-1) unstable; urgency=low [ Sjoerd Simons ] * New upstream release * debian/hal.postinst,debian/hal.postrm,debian/rules: Rename the hal daemon user to haldaemon (was hal) If debian-installer is still reserving the name hal for the hal package, then this should be fixed within debian-installer. Please file a bug against the debian-installer package. Is this right package? user-setup is the one I think. Let's look in... OP was using etch installer. Available hal versions Oldstable 0.4.7-3sarge1 Stable 0.5.8.1-9etch1 Testing 0.5.11-3 Unstable0.5.11-5 As I understand, 0.5.7.1-1 = Tue, 15 Aug 2006 0.5.8.1-9 = Wed, 14 Mar 2007 Hmmm... this is odd. There is no udeb either from hal package. Let's see ... In pool directory of lenny installer iso, user-setup-udeb_1.20_all.udeb has /usr/lib/user-setup/reserved-usernames This one has haldaemon but changelog in source user-setup tells me user-setup (1.17) unstable; urgency=low ... [ Colin Watson ] * Fix comment attached to passwd/user-default-groups. * hal was renamed to haldaemon in hal 0.5.7.1-1; Hal is also a reasonablyt common human name. Remove it from reserved-usernames. ... -- Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:56:46 +0100 So this is fixed bug. I doubts they will update etch installer just for this fix. If you know better, please pursue. Hi Osamu, thanks for the nice summary! I agree with you, that given that this issue is fixed for the lenny installer resp. user-setup and lenny is about to be released in the foreseeable future, it's likely this bug won't be fixed anymore for etch. I actually don't know, if a new point release with a new installer is even planned for etch. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian Stole My Name!
Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 04:01:59PM +0800, paragasu wrote: maybethe debian installer do not permit you to use the username hal. Create any user. after the installer finish.. you can login and create user 'Hal' with adduser.. ;) hal package have changed ... hal (0.5.7.1-1) unstable; urgency=low [ Sjoerd Simons ] * New upstream release * debian/hal.postinst,debian/hal.postrm,debian/rules: Rename the hal daemon user to haldaemon (was hal) If debian-installer is still reserving the name hal for the hal package, then this should be fixed within debian-installer. Please file a bug against the debian-installer package. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why Hald
David Baron wrote: Hal got installed along with dbus although it apparently does not use it. Libhal packages were around before. Why do I need hald running? Can it be disabled without effecting other programs? I suspect that it has/causes/exasperates some problems in 2.6.26 kernels. If you are a running a desktop environment like GNOME, XFCE or KDE, you definitely should not disable hal. Unless you don't want to have stuff like auto-mounting of removable media, removable or hotplugged devices in general, like digicams, network-manager etc. They all depend on hal. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: failure of openvpn to start
PETER EASTHOPE wrote: Folk, Since my update of lenny last Saturday these lines appear in the syslog. Aug 27 10:37:04 joule kernel: tun0: Disabled Privacy Extensions Aug 27 10:37:04 joule ovpn-myvpn[5179]: echo up tun0 1500 1544 10.4.0.1 10.4.0.2 init Aug 27 10:37:04 joule ovpn-myvpn[5179]: openvpn_execve: external program may not be called due to setting of --script-security level Aug 27 10:37:04 joule ovpn-myvpn[5179]: script failed: external program fork failed Aug 27 10:37:04 joule ovpn-myvpn[5179]: Exiting myvpn.conf follows. What external program and what script-security level would this refer to? Any insights? Thanks,... Peter E. # joule:/etc/openvpn/myvpn.conf # # Default protocol is udp. # Default port is 1194. # This is the static address of Dalton. remote 142.103.107.137 dev tun # These are the local and remote endpoints of the tunnel. ifconfig 10.4.0.1 10.4.0.2 verb 5 secret /root/key # This is the route to cantor. route 172.24.1.2 255.255.255.255 up 'echo up' down 'echo down' You are using a up and down script. See /usr/share/doc/openvpn/NEWS.Debian.gz for more info. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hibernate/suspend works without quirks, but not with Gnome
Magnus Therning wrote: I have a desktop system that is fully capable of hibernating and suspending. Both % pm-hibernate and % pm-suspend work beautifully. I don't need to supply any further command line options. Resuming is also no problems. Despite this gnome-power-manager refuses to let me hibernate/suspend using the shutdown dialogue. Confusingly the message written to /var/log/messages on an attempt to hibernate is: Jun 30 22:11:55 tatooine gnome-power-manager: (magnus) Resuming computer Jun 30 22:11:55 tatooine gnome-power-manager: (magnus) hibernate failed I'm not really sure how to get this working from Gnome. The quirks pages don't seem to handle this situation... What does /var/log/pm-suspend.log say, when you call suspend/hibernate via g-p-m? Is your user in group powerdev? Is your machine listed in hal-info to require quirks (lshal | grep quirk)? What graphic adapter / graphics driver / kernel version do you use? Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: prevent dpkg from (re-)starting services
Michael Biebl wrote: Read the man page of invoke-rc.d : INIT SCRIPT POLICY And /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: prevent dpkg from (re-)starting services
Olaf Leidinger wrote: Hello List! On a file server I installed several debian (-based) distributions into an exported directory using debootstrap. These are used as root filesystems for diskless clients. To install new packages/updates I chroot into the directories of the corresponding distributions and run aptitude. The problem is, that every time I install the update of a service (e.g. cups), the service is (started in the chrooted environment, but I don't want to run any service in there. Is there a way to prevent dpkg from (re-)starting these services? Deleting them from the /etc/rc* directories is not an option, as they are needed by the clients. Thanks in advance! policy-rc.d to your rescue. Read the man page of invoke-rc.d : INIT SCRIPT POLICY A simple /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d could look like this: # cat /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d #!/bin/sh echo 2 echo All rc.d operations denied by policy 2 echo 2 exit 101 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome power manager + custom suspend script
David Purton wrote: Hi all, What is the proper way to use custom suspend scripts with gnome power manager? Current, I call my custom script from /usr/lib/hal/scripts/hal-system-power-suspend This works, but the changes get overwritten every time this file is upgraded... (I need a custom script, because my laptop will not suspend with whatever the default is. Beats me why. I use a script from here http://www.linux.com/feature/114220 It's pretty generic, so why the defaut gnome one can't do this seems odd. Use pm-utils. See http://en.opensuse.org/Pm-utils - Creating your own hooks. or the pm-suspend man page. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pm-hibernate doesn't resume (Thinkpad X61 tablet)
Andrew Perrin wrote: Greetings- I have just finished setting up my new laptop, a Lenovo Thinkpad X61 Tablet PC. I am running Debian testing with a self-compiled kernel 2.6.24.2. Generally it works very nicely and I am pleased with it; however, hibernate/resume does not work correctly. Specifically: using either gnome's hibernate button or using pm-hibernate, the system snapshots correctly and shuts down, but upon starting back up it just does a normal reboot. The kernel has SWSUSP built in, with a default partition of /dev/sda3 which is an empty partition, and the kernel options in GRUB include resume=/dev/sda3 . Any advice? Do you have uswsusp installed, but your kernel is compiled without an initramfs? In that case it won't work. s2disk requires a initramfs to successfully resume. Option 1) Compile your kernel with make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd Option 2) Uninstall uswsusp and use kernel swsusp. Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
