Re: tbird troubles
On Monday 15 April 2024 10:13:06 am Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400 > gene heskett wrote: > > > I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a > > heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? > > Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. > > You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than > gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run > several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained > by memory or other resources. For whatever it's worth, I too am running xfce as a desktop environment, and do have some KDE stuff installed so therefore am seeing some of those files in place as well. It's not been a problem for me so far... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: What use can i give to linux?
On Saturday 06 April 2024 11:05:52 am Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: > > Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses > > Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux > > on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web > > servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay. Almost all > > supercomputers use Linux. Linux has a large and growing share of the > > automotive market. Your router almost certainly runs Linux. > > Yeah, but Grandma's still using Windows XP. Don't believe the stereotypes... My lady, now 79, was running XP until there was a hard drive crash some few years back. After I dealt with that but before I did the re-install I stuck an Ubuntu CD in the machine and said "Try this" and it was apparently okay enough to go ahead and install it and run it for several years. The only regret was one game that wouldn't load, but we couldn't get a clean read off of that install medium anyhow. Not all that long ago that machine got replaced by one running linux Mint, which she's still happily running today. I offered Debian, by putting it on a second drive in that earlier machine and pointing out the boot options, but she never did get that much of a handle on the idea of selecting different desktop environments. Not a big deal, at least the house is an M$-free zone still, and I know that she's a damn smart lady. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox
On Sunday 17 March 2024 08:48:29 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 12:35:33PM +0100, Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > > Well... it seems my brain can't distinguish Bookworm from Bullseye. > > It's not just you. The use of three "b" names in a row (buster, > bullseye, bookworm) was in my opinion a poor decision. I've taken > to calling the releases by their numbers (10, 11, 12) instead of > their codenames to avoid confusion wherever possible. The use of those codenames drives me nuts... I don't, for the most part, have any idea what numeric version is being referred to, and would far prefer to see those numbers used instead, myself. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: strange time problem with bullseye
On Thursday 07 March 2024 02:44:42 pm Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 02:33:05PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > On Thursday 07 March 2024 09:02:44 am Teemu Likonen wrote:
> > > systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service
> >
> > This got me some interesting results:
> >
> > ● systemd-timesyncd.service - Network Time Synchronization
> >Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service; enabled;
> > vendor preset: enabled)
> > Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d
> >└─disable-with-time-daemon.conf
> >Active: inactive (dead)
> > Condition: start condition failed at Wed 2024-02-14 16:17:31 EST; 3 weeks 0
> > days ago
> >└─ ConditionFileIsExecutable=!/usr/sbin/VBoxService was not met
> > Docs: man:systemd-timesyncd.service(8)
> >
> > Hmm.
>
> Are you running that on a virtualbox client, or a virtualbox host?
That was on the host. The client is running an older version of Slackware.
> In any case, you might find it interesting to read the unit file in
> question ("systemctl cat systemd-timesyncd.service"). It looks like
> you've got one of the slightly older kind, where the service is always
> installed, but is prevented from running if any of several different
> programs is found.
Yes, I'm running older software here. I did that and see those listed near
the end of it. The system does seem to do okay with keeping the right time,
though, for the most part. The only rough spot was the RTC was way off, but
that's now been fixed...
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Re: strange time problem with bullseye
On Thursday 07 March 2024 09:02:44 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service This got me some interesting results: ● systemd-timesyncd.service - Network Time Synchronization Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d └─disable-with-time-daemon.conf Active: inactive (dead) Condition: start condition failed at Wed 2024-02-14 16:17:31 EST; 3 weeks 0 days ago └─ ConditionFileIsExecutable=!/usr/sbin/VBoxService was not met Docs: man:systemd-timesyncd.service(8) Hmm. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: strange time problem with bullseye
On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:42:12 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > > How do I get the RTC to agree with the right time? > > "hwclock -w" to copy the system clock to the hardware clock (RTC). This > should also be done during shutdown, but it doesn't hurt to do it now. That seemed to do what I needed. I don't ordinarily shut this machine down for the most part. Every once in a while all of my swap partition gets filled up, and then there's this continuous hard drive activity that I'm assuming is what they mean by "thrashing". The only option at that point is to get its attention with the power switch. And then I need to go through a whole routing with bringing up what I had going, including re-starting virtualbox and the stuff that runs in it, etc. If I'm lucky then I can get back the windows I had going before, sometimes I'm not so lucky. A system monitor I run on desktop 4 always comes up, but on the wrong desktop and I have to move it. The "eat all available memory" culprit seems to be firefox. I just need to look at that system monitor every once in a while and when things start getting excessive shut firefox down and restart it. Then I don't have the problem... I'm not sure if I have ntp or something else running here. (Looking...) I don't see it in my process list. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: strange time problem with bullseye
On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:37:09 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2024-03-06 02:47:06+0800, hlyg wrote: > > > my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time, it lags behind > > correct time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local > > is ok. > > It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. > "timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting time > settings. Without command-line arguments it prints a lot of useful info: > > $ timedatectl >Local time: ke 2024-03-06 07:33:00 EET >Universal time: ke 2024-03-06 05:33:00 UTC > RTC time: ke 2024-03-06 05:33:00 > Time zone: Europe/Helsinki (EET, +0200) > System clock synchronized: yes > NTP service: active > RTC in local TZ: no > > See "timedatectl -h" or manual page for more info. > Mine shows: Local time: Wed 2024-03-06 12:09:44 EST Universal time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:09:44 UTC RTC time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:20:53 Time zone: America/New_York (EST, -0500) Network time on: yes NTP synchronized: no RTC in local TZ: no How do I get the RTC to agree with the right time? I don't reboot this often, but when I do the time displayed on the onscreen clock is typically off by several minutes. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: medically smart watches
On Sunday 25 February 2024 06:33:26 pm gene heskett wrote: > On 2/25/24 14:19, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote: > >> I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states, > >> 10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's. > > > > More than that. My certificate number is PA-230... > > Mine is NB-116, so they must go by state, NB being Nebraska. Assuming an > average of 150/state, that would be 7500 of us. Where the heck are they > hiding? You are the only other one I have met since I got mine in '72. > Something doesn't add up. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. Dunno, maybe ask ISCET? (Apologies to the rest of you guys for the OT...) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: medically smart watches
On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote: > I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states, > 10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's. More than that. My certificate number is PA-230... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: SMART Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt rising - should I be worried?
On Friday 16 February 2024 04:42:12 pm Gremlin wrote: > On 2/16/24 13:56, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 16 February 2024 04:52:22 am David Christensen wrote: > >> I think the Raspberry Pi, etc., users on this list live with USB storage > >> and have found it to be reliable enough for personal and SOHO network use. > > > > I have one, haven't done much with it. Are there any alternative ways to > > interface storage? Maybe add SATA ports or something? > > > On raspberry Pi 1 to 4 No, you have a choice of USB 2 or USB 3 Looks like I'll have to go with a USB - SATA adapter, then. It's a 4, I bought the "Canakit" package that included an enclosure, keyboard, mouse, and a small touch screen (4"?). > Raspberry Pi 5 Yes with and NVME hat interfaced to the pcie "port" > > I am using a Pi 5 (desktop) with USB 3 port hooked to an NVME external > drive and it works just fine. > > It is much faster than the Pi 4 I was using because of the new "south > bridge" I'm aware of the 5 having come out, but haven't explored the possibility of getting one of those yet. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: SMART Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt rising - should I be worried?
On Friday 16 February 2024 04:52:22 am David Christensen wrote: > I think the Raspberry Pi, etc., users on this list live with USB storage > and have found it to be reliable enough for personal and SOHO network use. I have one, haven't done much with it. Are there any alternative ways to interface storage? Maybe add SATA ports or something? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)
On Friday 09 February 2024 04:41:37 pm hw wrote: > On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 11:34 -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 09 February 2024 06:07:16 am hw wrote: > > > What other manufacturers could we buy UPSs from? > > > > I have a Tripp-Lite sitting next to me here that replaced an APC and > > has 2-1/2 times the capabiliity. Been in service several weeks and > > so far I'm pretty happy with it... > > They seem to be extremely rare here. Where's "here"? I ordered mine from Home Depot, online. The wait until it arrived didn't seem excessive. > Are they any good, and how's the battery availability? It seems okay, and I haven't checked on the battery availability, no need at this point and if I did it'd probably change by the time I needed them anyhow. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)
On Friday 09 February 2024 06:07:16 am hw wrote: > What other manufacturers could we buy UPSs from? I have a Tripp-Lite sitting next to me here that replaced an APC and has 2-1/2 times the capabiliity. Been in service several weeks and so far I'm pretty happy with it... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help
On Thursday 25 January 2024 09:03:36 am Anssi Saari wrote: > Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking > problem with helium and since they've been making those drives for over > a decade, I think it's solved. Your source for this? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Seeking a Terminal Emulator on Debian for "Passthrough"Printing
On Saturday 20 January 2024 07:56:16 pm gene heskett wrote: > We may even already > have a POS system you could use. I know for a fact one of the local > grocery stores here in this village of around 6000 is running something > on linux in the checkout lanes, I saw it boot up after a power failure > before the actual app was auto-started. What that app was, no one had > been instructed as it was totally auto starting. Typical of the > checkout lanes I suspect. Without naming the rather large company involved, I had some similar experience -- I ran a service call to do some updates on one of those checkout lane systems, and they were running a customized version of RH7! I was instructed to bring a keyboard and a monitor because the POS screen and keyboard wouldn't show all that needed to be seen or to key in the necessary stuff... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: counting commas
On Friday 19 January 2024 09:48:01 pm Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:07 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > . > > (Ok, C causes scars on the programmer's self esteem. But what does not > > kill me makes me just stronger. I'm a vim user.) > > > > OK I'll mention that to my psychiatrist :-) > But the C programmers I knew were either really nice guys if they wrote C > on unix, or real toads if they wrote C for DOS/Windows. YMMV Where does that leave those of us that wrote c for CP/M? :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: playing CDROM music questions
On Monday 08 January 2024 03:49:17 pm Haines Brown wrote: > where can find an inexpensive drive to hold about 1000 cds and find > the time do all the converting? ㋡ The 4TB drive in my server has about 77GB roughly holding a similar amount of stuff. The time was over a rather lengthy period of time, not all done at once. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?
On Tuesday 26 December 2023 09:34:00 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Living offline is not really feasible anymore - there are too many security > updates needed. (snip) > Linux distributions do update and you should ideally be running the latest > most up to date security patches. I must be missing something here. If one is running a system that's NOT net-connected, why is security so important an issue? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...
On Tuesday 19 December 2023 09:40:19 pm Felix Miata wrote: > I suspect few if any regulars here spend much time with Slackware. I, for one, have been running Slackware since 1999. It's what's running in this virtualbox where I do my email, and it's also what's running on my file server... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On Monday 20 November 2023 11:15:56 am Mike McClain wrote: > Seeing several messages complaining about fetching messages from > gmail.com I'd like to point out that gmail can be set to forward all > messages to a gmail account to another account on a different server. That's exactly what I'm doing here... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: locate question
On Tuesday 07 November 2023 11:32:21 am gene heskett wrote: > so locate isn't working as I think it should. > try find but it finds the whole my whole local net: > gene@coyote:~$ find .scad . |wc -l > find: ‘.scad’: No such file or directory Try putting a * before the period in that find command? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data
On Saturday 28 October 2023 07:25:39 am gene heskett wrote: > On 10/28/23 00:14, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote: > >> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the > >> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings? > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 : > >> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect > >> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a number > >> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al). > > > I just looked at munin in synaptic, But while there lots of parts to it, > there is not a single word that indicates what it does? Absolutely > nothing that tells me it can monitor the system fans or measure the > systems voltages. What does it actually DO? I've seen that fairly often, particularly with software packages. It's a real aggravation at times. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: chrome web browser worthless
On Tuesday 01 August 2023 05:33:55 am gene heskett wrote: > Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser > to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 > cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with > klipper.. > > FF has no such problems. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. I would never consider using chrome, what with all of the "phone home" nonsense that's in it. Chromium is supposed to be an open-source (?) variant of that without all of that stuff included. You might consider giving that a try. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Recommendations for a UPS?
On Monday 31 July 2023 07:47:14 pm Charles Curley wrote: > Replacement batteries from APC are expensive compared to buying > elsewhere, but they come with return shipping for the exhausted battery > so they can recycle it. OTOH local recycling places give me cash for exhausted lead-acid batteries... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: package managers problem
On Wednesday 21 June 2023 08:54:46 am Maurice Heskett wrote: > mc for a file manager since my original > install from floppies of redhat 5.0 in the late '90's. I am well aware > of what it CAN do. There is no gui file manager that can touch it for > utility, and it pisses me off that F10 has been stolen by the window > managers to bring up a useless menu, making me find the mouse to quit it > when I'm done. That *is* annoying... But I find that 0 works for this. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)
On Friday 02 June 2023 04:03:48 pm gene heskett wrote: > And I'll repeat, I am a CET, something that probably less than 5% of the > working EE's could pass that test. CET's are a bit rare, I've yet to > meet another on the net. Uh, yes you have... (Certificate PA-230 issued in 1981.) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: "Bug" in Debian Installer?
On Tuesday 18 April 2023 12:47:44 am David Wright wrote: > > I have never seen a document that completely and accurately explains, > > in computer engineering and science terms, the design and > > implementation of the boot processes for Debian (or FreeBSD, or > > Windows, or macOS) for all the possible combinations of BIOS, UEFI, > > MBR, and GPT; including work-arounds such as "protective MBR", "BIOS > > Boot Partition", etc.. If anyone knows of such, please provide a > > citation. > > You might start with: > > https://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/whatsgpt.html > Thanks for that... It's clarified some things that I've been wondering about. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Virtual machine affects client screen resolution
On Friday 24 February 2023 10:03:31 pm Max Nikulin wrote: > On 25/02/2023 00:55, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 February 2023 09:24:17 pm Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On 19/02/2023 01:01, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > >>> So this got me curious, and I tried it out. In the terminal that's > >>> running inside of the virtualbox instance where I'm doing emails, it > >>> comes back with: > >>> > >>> :0 > >> > >> Have you tried to emulate multiple monitors in virtualbox? > > > > I'm not sure what I need to do with the computer to make this happen. > > VirtualBox can emulate multiple monitors, they may be represented as > several windows on the same physical device. It is convenient to test > behavior of applications in the configuration with multiple monitors. > There is an option in VM configuration UI. I don't recall seeing that, I'll have another look... > >>> But in a terminal which is running on the host Debian system, it comes > >>> back with: > >>> > >>> :0.0 > >>> > >>> I wonder why the difference? > >> > >> My guess is that it may depend on graphics adapter and its driver. > > > > It's an older machine with a VGA output being used. I assume that I'll > > need to get some kind of a card with an HDMI output and a cable to make > > that happen. No idea what the driver is, probably nothing special. > > It does not matter if it is special or not. My guess (that may be wrong) > that even noveau vs. nvidia may behave differently. I have never gone > deeper, since I do not remember any problem with setting DISPLAY=:0 when > it was necessary. Driver in use should appear in Xorg.0.log, e.g. > > (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 Only thing I'm finding that resembles that is these lines: [ 13041.620] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 [ 13041.620] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: i965 > >> I have heard that a display may have several screens (it is not the same > >> as multiple monitors that show > >> different regions of the same display and screen). I have never tried such > >> configuration. > > > > Are you referring to multiple desktops? I have that going, for sure. > > My impression is that multiple screens of a display is not the same as > virtual desktops (and not the same as multiple monitors). I am not > familiar with X11 protocol so closely. Frankly speaking, I has a hope > that somebody will post a proper link. My curiosity is not strong enough > yet to filter search engine results myself. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Virtual machine affects client screen resolution
On Wednesday 22 February 2023 09:24:17 pm Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 19/02/2023 01:01, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Saturday 18 February 2023 12:17:20 am Max Nikulin wrote: > >> echo "$DISPLAY" > > > > So this got me curious, and I tried it out. In the terminal that's > > running inside of the virtualbox instance where I'm doing emails, it > > comes back with: > > > > :0 > > Have you tried to emulate multiple monitors in virtualbox? Not yet. I would like to go to multiple monitors at some point, particularly once I get going with some of the CAD stuff I have installed that I really haven't done anything much with yet. I'm not sure what I need to do with the computer to make this happen. > > But in a terminal which is running on the host Debian system, it comes > > back with: > > > > :0.0 > > > > I wonder why the difference? > > My guess is that it may depend on graphics adapter and its driver. It's an older machine with a VGA output being used. I assume that I'll need to get some kind of a card with an HDMI output and a cable to make that happen. No idea what the driver is, probably nothing special. > I have heard that a display may have several screens (it is not the same as > multiple monitors that show > different regions of the same display and screen). I have never tried such > configuration. Are you referring to multiple desktops? I have that going, for sure. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Virtual machine affects client screen resolution
On Saturday 18 February 2023 12:17:20 am Max Nikulin wrote: > echo "$DISPLAY" So this got me curious, and I tried it out. In the terminal that's running inside of the virtualbox instance where I'm doing emails, it comes back with: :0 But in a terminal which is running on the host Debian system, it comes back with: :0.0 I wonder why the difference? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: OT: repair/replace cell in Li-ion battery?
On Sunday 05 February 2023 06:29:12 pm local10 wrote: > 5 Feb 2023, 20:28 by y...@masson-informatique.fr: > > Does anybody knows trusted manufacturers / brands I could find on the > > Internet? I am really disappointed by this battery (brand "vhbw") partially > > broken after only two years… > > > > > Find out the exact battery model you laptop uses and then buy a replacement > battery of that exact model (on Ebay or whatever). Other batteries may be > better or worse but they may also be incompatible with your laptop. > > Regards, I wouldn't recommend ebay for this. Bought a battery for a smartphone some years back, apparently identical to the one that was in there, and apparently having the exact same limit for capacity as the one that I was trying to replace... Look at warranty and return policy for whoever you buy from. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: How to use bridge-utils to enable connection sharing?
On Sunday 05 February 2023 12:30:42 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > RJ45 is a physical connector with 8 pairs of twisted wires. Eight wires, _four_ twisted pairs. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: How can I check (and run) if an *.exe is a DOS or a Windowsprogram?
On Saturday 07 January 2023 03:27:31 pm gene heskett wrote: > That DOS was not the least bit > entertaining. :(> That was the best reason to skip it, I went from > amigados 3.9 to rh5.0, never regretted missing the DOS experience, I got > my fill of it as the CE at a tv station back in the day. > I remember getting a mailing (don't know how I ended up on that mailing list) where they wanted to sell me a development kit for windoze, which at that time hadn't even been released yet, or if it had it was a very buggy and clunky preliminary version. They wanted me to pay something like $3000.00 for the privilege of developing software for their new platform. I found this most entertaining, and laughed like hell before I got around to tossing that mailing in the trash. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs
On Sunday 11 December 2022 09:51:05 am gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I > have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, > but they don't work either. > > Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like > alpine or such? > > The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the targeted > local folder remains empty and the message remains in the inbox. Most of > the errors it does log are swahili to me. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. Gene, I prefer the maildir rather than mbox format, which narrows my choices somewhat. What I ended up doing was running virtualbox with a rather early version of Slackware in there, with the correspondingly early version of KDE, and use kmail to do all of my mail. Filters are rather extensive, since I keep on adding spammers to that list, and haven't given me any trouble, so far. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: MUD
On Thursday 13 October 2022 11:13:49 am Maude Summerside wrote: > I've found out that WWIV got ported to POSIX compatible OS and now runs > completely under Linux, same goes for Synchronet BBS. > > There's Mystic BBS but didn't find source code. > And there's the closed source BBBS (made in Finland). > I used to run Maximus BBS under dos/desqview. I believe that there is a linux version of it out there. I did try to run it once, but apparently the changes I made in the setup broke it pretty good, and I lost interest... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: digikam import fails
On Thursday 16 June 2022 09:45:21 pm gene heskett wrote: > > I must be missing something here... > > > > When I plug in my camera to a US port, it shows up on the desktop, at > > which point I can mount it. Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to > > wherever, using mc or whatever utility you like. Why is some special > > program needed for this? > Probably the desktop Roy, I'm using xfce4. > So am I... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: digikam import fails
On Thursday 16 June 2022 03:19:38 pm gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I just took a pix of one of my projects to send to a friend, but > when I had installed digikam to download the pix from my camera, > going thru the usual steps to access the camera, which it did as > usual, but when I had selected the pix, and tried o dl it, the album > selector window was blanked, empty and even when I typed in the > full path to the desired directory, which has around 20G of pix > already in /home/gene/Pictures, there was no response to the > return key aother than the search bar being blacked, the album > window remains blanked and the ok on the lower right of that > album window remains ghosted. > > IOW, I cannot download from the camera. How do I go about > troubleshooting this? > > The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of > missing this and that despite the installation of digikam > pulling in: > 0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 273 MB of archives. > After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used. > > Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines > spit out in the shell I launched it from. Its obvious to me there are > more kde dependencies missing, that just the 261 listed. I've tried to > install some of them by the names reported, but that universally does > not exit. And I'd druther not install the rest of kde, its not stable > for me. > > Thanks all. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. I must be missing something here... When I plug in my camera to a US port, it shows up on the desktop, at which point I can mount it. Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to wherever, using mc or whatever utility you like. Why is some special program needed for this? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Saturday 11 June 2022 08:17:26 pm gene heskett wrote: > I tried to do that in gimp before I sent it, but all the menu's are > changed from what I am used to, I could select and save what I wanted, > clear the frame and paste what I'd outlined and saved, but I got the > whole thing back when I pasted, several times so I'm going to have to > learn gimp all over again. That sort of wholesale rearranging of a user interface, for no reason that's apparent to me, is a lot of why I'm often not in any big hurry to upgrade... Dunno why they think they need to do that. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: > As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk > thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things > working one at a time afterwards. Were I running into these kinds of hassles, that would be my approach as well. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: updatedb.mlocate
On Saturday 09 April 2022 05:11:39 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 04:59:04PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:35:26 EDT Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > grep daily /etc/crontab > > > > Matches mine too Greg, so I expect thats default, but why is Roy's going > > off at about midnight? > > We'd have to see what his /etc/crontab contains, Trying to paste it in here, but after opening it, copying it, paste seems to have no effect? > and what his system clock is set to. UTC. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: updatedb.mlocate
On Saturday 09 April 2022 01:22:08 pm Charles Curley wrote: > On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 11:04:18 -0500 > "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > > How do I find out where this is invoked, so I can get rid of it? > > You may not want to get rid of it. That's the process that updates the > database for the locate utility, which is very useful. Yeah, it's useful if you change things on the system. I don't do that all that often, though. > I was about to add, think instead about adding a nice value to its cron > entry. There is some stuff about that in the script in question, but rather than working my way through all that I just made that script not executable. > However it look like mlocate is now handled by systemd, and I > don't know enough to advise you on how to do that. I don't understand the reason for so many things getting pushed in that direction. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: updatedb.mlocate
On Saturday 09 April 2022 12:39:45 pm Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 11:04:18AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So around midnight I am seeing a burst of activity, which sometimes > > interferes with whatever else I happen to be doing at the time. Looking at > > the process list, I see the above-referenced come and go. I didn't want > > this, and it's not apparent to me how to deal with it. > > > > How do I find out where this is invoked, so I can get rid of it? > > > You can uninstall the mlocate package. Or, you can edit > /etc/cron.daily/mlocate and comment out the cron entry. That would > leave the package installed, but you would need to keep the database > updated manually. Okay, I found the script by that name and made it not executable. We'll see if that works. What I'd really like to know is, why is this happening now when it wasn't happening before? It probably changed after my last round of updating things... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
updatedb.mlocate
So around midnight I am seeing a burst of activity, which sometimes interferes with whatever else I happen to be doing at the time. Looking at the process list, I see the above-referenced come and go. I didn't want this, and it's not apparent to me how to deal with it. How do I find out where this is invoked, so I can get rid of it? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Memory leak
On Saturday 12 February 2022 09:21:00 am rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > The version of Firefox used in Jessie (and presumably later versions) creates > (typically mutlitple) files named "Web Content". I don't know how Firefox > decides what to put in each of those (e.g., content from how many tabs), but > ... > > I keep top running in a VT and check it every once in a while, and when too > much memory is used, I kill one or more of those files, usually the largest > first. > > My tabs remain as tabs (with the associated URL), but the content is gone, > but > I can get it back by reloading the tab. Interesting! I see a few of files named "web" in the process table, probably a slight version difference there. I'll have to keep that in mind next time things reach that point. Right now each one is using 2-3% of CPU and a nontrivial amount of space. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Memory leak
On Friday 11 February 2022 11:06:01 am Celejar wrote: > I seem to have a serious memory leak on my system (Lenovo W550s) - the > memory usage seems to slowly but more or less steadily keep increasing. > > This is a more or less normal (I think) desktop installation of Sid, > running Xfce4. Typical applications used are Firefox (currently with > just one extension: uBlock Origin), LibreOffice Writer, Sylpheed, Xfce4 > Terminal, and Liferea, all from the official repos. I have noticed similar behavior here, and the culprit seems to be firefox. If I ignore it things get sluggish, and then the machine starts to thrash, until the only recourse is the power switch. If I notice it in time, close firefox and restart it, the memory used after I do that is significantly less than it was before. Somewhere in their help or documentation they even say that you shouldn't leave it running for extended periods of time. I wish they'd fix it! -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: Usenet access.
On Monday 17 January 2022 03:09:27 pm pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest an alternative to Google Groups for access to > sci.electronics.repair. I'd be happy to pay a small subscription for > access without tedious complications. > > Thx, ... P. > They're on groups.io: https://groups.io/g/Sci-Electronics-Repair/ -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop
On Saturday 15 January 2022 11:13:49 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 12 ian 22, 08:54:50, john doe wrote: > > Debians, > > > > i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop > > dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop. > > > > I'm thinking about two options: > > - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it > > - Buying a pine64 or alike > > - Any other alternative? > > > > The only requirement is to have virtualisation available. > > > > Basically, I'm looking for some feedback to have a laptop with Debian on it. > > > > Any suggestion is appreciated. > > Since you didn't mention any kind of budget constraints, you might want > to consider Thinkpads (previously IBM, now Lenovo). > > The build quality is generally high (especially for the more expensive > series, like T) and you get detailed manuals on how to take it apart for > upgrades or repairs. > > Compatibility with Linux is also generally very good and there are even > some models that come with Linux pre-installed. > > Many Linux developers like them as well (not least because of the very > good keyboards) which only helps with compatibility. > > If price is a concern, even second-hand / refurbished Thinkpads usually > provide good value for the money. > > > Hope this helps, > Andrei I'll second this. I had a "refurbished" Thinkpad that I used rather extensively for _six years_ before something went wrong with it and gave me a "system board error". No issues with running linux on it at all, though I was running Slackware at the time. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: freeing up some space
On Wednesday 12 January 2022 12:48:38 am David Wright wrote: > And now you want to aimlessly zap a few more directories for no better > reason than the fact that they look unused. Well, take a look at > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/10/msg00308.html > where I measured how much disk space I might reclaim by purging all > the non-English localization files on the system: a measly 358MB. I've seen some of that stuff in there, too... And yes, I remember that post. > Is it worth the hassle and potential future trouble. I was under the > impression that you wanted to get your out-of-date system in order, > ready for the next upgrade step. Why would you want to prejudice the > smooth running of your upgrade path just for a few hundred MB. This is funny, I remember when an 80MB drive was *huge*. :-) I'm aiming to clean things up a bit so that I don't end up downloading stuff I don't need, and never use. Save myself some time. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: freeing up some space
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:02:56 pm David Christensen wrote: > On 1/11/22 10:25 AM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So I'm poking around with mc, and happened across /var/cache/apt/archives > > which has a LOT of *.deb files in it, and which seems to include many > > versions of the same package, some of them many years old, going all the > > way back to 2013. I guess I've been running debian a little longer than > > I'd thought... > > > > Is it okay to just delete older versions of these files? Or should I be > > doing something using one of the package management tools? I've mostly > > used synaptic, but am also aware of apt-get, apt, aptitude, and am not > > real clear on their comparative capabilities. > > > > I'm looking at over 7500 files amounting to over 9.5GB. > > > > I also see /var/cache/dictionaries-common, which appears to be tied to a > > spelling checker, which I don't use here. And /var/cache/samba, which I > > also don't use -- there isn't a windoze machine around here at all. > > > > What's the best way to get all of this excess stuff out of the system? > > > Move data to RAID, backup system configuration files, remove system > drive, install blank SSD, do a fresh install, and configure by hand > (using backups for reference). Yeah, I could do that if I had those resources, but I don't. In the meantime I'm finding aptitude to be a useful tool for the job... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 02:52:10 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > What version of Debian? > > > > According to /etc/debian_version 9.3... > > > > I hope that's 9.13 - so updated as at 2020-07-18. You're correct. I have a pair of glasses here that are "for the computer" and in general I am avoiding wearing them unless I really feel like I have to... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: freeing up some space
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 02:25:47 pm Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 1/11/22, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So I'm poking around with mc, and happened across /var/cache/apt/archives > > which has a LOT of *.deb files in it, and which seems to include many > > versions of the same package, some of them many years old, going all the > > way back to 2013. I guess I've been running debian a little longer than I'd > > thought... > > > > Is it okay to just delete older versions of these files? Or should I be > > doing something using one of the package management tools? Apparently the info about what's in this directory is also stored in some database somewhere, so just going in there and deleting a bunch of stuff will probably break something... > > I've mostly used synaptic, but am also aware of apt-get, apt, aptitude, > > and am not real > > clear on their comparative capabilities. Time to read some man pages and some of the docs that also got installed on my system... :-) > > I'm looking at over 7500 files amounting to over 9.5GB. > > > > I also see /var/cache/dictionaries-common, which appears to be tied to a > > spelling checker, which I don't use here. And /var/cache/samba, which I > > also don't use -- there isn't a windoze machine around here at all. > > > > What's the best way to get all of this excess stuff out of the system? > > Just chiming in until someone can respond with recent firsthand > experience. If you go to e.g. "man apt" or "man apt-get", you'll see > flag options that are about cleaning up downloaded files. I did this > once a couple years ago and so can't remember which one worked for > what you're asking, but it does work. Whichever option it is, it > leaves the currently installed deb in place and cleanses out anything > that's no longer in use. Somebody (maybe more than one somebody) suggested a "clean" option, but apparently that will get rid of *ALL* of those files. I'd kinda prefer to keep the most recent of any of them that are still being used. In perusing the docs for aptitude, I see that there's an option in there to "clean obsolete files", which sounds like it'll do just that. I don't see such an option in apt-get, or elsewhere (so far). > Thank you to the Developers who have left this as a User CHOICE that > must be manually addressed if a different option is desired. Users > have their various reasons for maintaining older install debs. It's > nice to know they're always safe from sudden, silent deletion. Yes, it is nice having a choice about these things. > Afterthought as I write that because of an experience that I > encountered. There's additionally a value you can define that > automatically performs the above function every time you update and > then upgrade your system's packages. I think that the default for aptitude is to not do what I mention above, but it also appears that it's possible to make it do that by default by fiddling with a config file. This would appear to be detailed in the section of the docs entitled "Configuraton File Reference", which talks about what files are used (and their locations), and then lists all of the options that are or can be in those files. > Remembering that detail led to a search that didn't find a tip on > which file contains that changeable value, but I did find the > following (might need fixed to be one usable line): > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations_with_the_commandline > > If that link doesn't bounce partway down the page to the appropriate > section, CTRL+F (or similar browser find feature) on that "operations > with the commandline" part of the link should help. It's Section 2.2.2 > that contains those various interesting values. Yeah. But the detailed docs for aptitude are a whole lot more interesting and more detailed/explicit. > If anyone test drives those for the first time, especially without > fully understanding what the notes are saying the options do, PLEASE > make sure to back up your system first. Been there, done that without > backing up in the past. It's not pretty.. > > Cindy :) From what I understand I should be able to get the software to show me what it's planning on doing before it actually goes ahead and does it. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
freeing up some space
So I'm poking around with mc, and happened across /var/cache/apt/archives which has a LOT of *.deb files in it, and which seems to include many versions of the same package, some of them many years old, going all the way back to 2013. I guess I've been running debian a little longer than I'd thought... Is it okay to just delete older versions of these files? Or should I be doing something using one of the package management tools? I've mostly used synaptic, but am also aware of apt-get, apt, aptitude, and am not real clear on their comparative capabilities. I'm looking at over 7500 files amounting to over 9.5GB. I also see /var/cache/dictionaries-common, which appears to be tied to a spelling checker, which I don't use here. And /var/cache/samba, which I also don't use -- there isn't a windoze machine around here at all. What's the best way to get all of this excess stuff out of the system? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 12:27:39 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and > > > > the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what > > > > gets started up that I don't see any need for -- things like exim, > > > > bluetooth stuff (there is _no_ bluetooth hardware on this machine), > > > > and some other stuff. Any recommendations as to where I might poke at > > > > this to clean things up would be appreciated also. > > > > > > > > > > Exim: because "something" needs to deliver mail locally for cron jobs > > > etc. > > > Maybe not the best - others remove exim and install another MTA - but its > > > a start. > > > > I don't see the need for this. Deliver mail locally where? And to who? > > To you. > > The primary method of telling you, the systems administrator, > that something went wrong when you weren't looking at it, is > mail. That tells you to go look at the logs. Right. I don't see any mail that seems to be pointed at root, though I do see a /var/mail/roy file, I should probably see if there's some way that I can get kmail in the virtualbox to import this stuff. Suggestions as to how to do that would be welcomed. > If you don't want exim, nullmailer or ssmtp will send all email to some > smarter machine. It doesn't seem terribly useful. The latest ones in there are referring to /var/log/exim4/paniclog as having a non-zero length, and quotes some lines from it. Which refer to something that didn't go right in September of 2017! -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's > > started by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start > > manually at some point later on does. > > Pulse Audio is still quite mysterious to me as well. In fact, I have > the exact opposite experience: if I start Pulse Audio from my .xsession > file (the way I expected it should be done), that one always fails to > work. Consistently. 100%, every time. Killing it and restarting it > always gave a working instance. Again, 100%, every time. What's puzzling to me is why it worked okay before my most recent upgrade, and doesn't work now, until I fire up another instance of it. > But if I let it start itself automatically on demand, then it works > straight out of the gate with no issues. So far, anyway! How does that "on demand" thing work? > This is with Debian 11 (and, I think, 'twas the same on version 10 > as well), starting X with "startx" from a console, with fvwm and no > desktop environment. This was 8, moved to 9, and I will (eventually) progress all the way to 11. But not just yet. > The symptom of the non-working Pulse Audio was a complete lack of > response to everything. Running "pavucontrol" would give me some > message about not being able to contact the daemon, but I could see it > running in "ps". Kill, restart, pavucontrol again, and it was all > happy. I don't do anything much under debian that needs to have sound working, so I hadn't noticed a problem until the virtualboxed Slackware didn't have sound any more, and there are a few things I do in there where I *do* want sound working. Firing up another instance of it at somebody's suggestion took care of that problem, though I did have to reboot the virtualbox in order for it to see it. > Sadly, I don't know enough to offer any helpful advice. All I can give > you are some questions that you might ask yourself to try to gather > more information about the issue: > > What version of Debian? According to /etc/debian_version 9.3... > How do you log in? I often log in as root. > How do you start your graphical session, if you use one? The initial login screen is graphical, from which I can select different desktop environments. At the moment (and for quite a long time) I'm running Xfce. > Which graphical session, if any, are you using? I'm not sure I understand the question here. > How does Pulse Audio get started (if you know)? What do you see in "ps"? Looking at it in System Monitor, I see two instances of it. One has the user name "Debian-gdm" and when I mouse over it shows "parent = systemd". This is the one that the system starts up. The other one is the one that I started from a command line, which is otherwise the same. Right-clicking on either of these and selecting "show detailed memory information" shows very different results for the two of them, more memory being used for the second instance. > What are the exact symptoms? I'm not seeing any symptoms on the debian side of things, but haven't tried to do much with sound there. The sound _does_ work when, ferinstance, I view a video on youtube or similar. When booting the virtualbox, I'd get an error message from Slackware that it wasn't able to connect to the pulseaudio daemon and was going to use the "null" audio device instead, meaning that sound didn't work in there at all. After invoking pulseaudio in a terminal on the debian side of things and rebooting the virtual box sound in there works fine. > Are there any error messages? If so, what do they say, and how do you > see them? See the above paragraph about during the boot process of the virtualbox. > What steps do you perform when you restart Pulse Audio? I haven't tried restarting it, just firing it up as someone suggested, using pulseaudio --start in a terminal window. > What does "ps" show after that? Not using ps here, for the most part. I'm looking at stuff in System Monitor. > The answers to those might help someone else help you. We can hope, anyway. I'll get a handle on this sooner or later... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I've run nothing but linux since 1999, starting with Slackware 4.0, and > > upgrading to newer versions from time to time. Early on I had no sound > > card in the machine that I was using, and did not implement a GUI to start > > with either. Adding those manually was a real interesting exercise, one > > that I'm happy to not have to repeat with newer hardware and software. > > Debian came a little later, only in the past few years, and in many > > respects I'm still getting to know it. > > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and the > > other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what gets > > started up that I don't see any need for -- things like exim, bluetooth > > stuff (there is _no_ bluetooth hardware on this machine), and some other > > stuff. Any recommendations as to where I might poke at this to clean > > things up would be appreciated also. > > > > Exim: because "something" needs to deliver mail locally for cron jobs etc. > Maybe not the best - others remove exim and install another MTA - but its > a start. I don't see the need for this. Deliver mail locally where? And to who? > "Remove stuff" - start with a bare install of Debian text mode - standard > packages only - then remove the stuff you want to. Don't be surprised if > there may be a metapackage or two which appears to remove more than you > think. I've been surprised at that more than once already. I suggest to synaptic that I might want to remove something, and it comes back with a *huge* list of stuff that's going to be removed, if I do. I can't quite make sense out of that. > The idea of a distribution is to make it relatively easy to install a > subset of common packages that people want: that doesn't mean that everybody > gets exactly what they want first time, but Debian's fairly flexible to > allow you to change elements. Still working on that... > If you think that the distribution is entirely wrong - that's a different > matter, I think. Not necessarily wrong, but definitely different. I like the management of dependencies, one of the reasons I chose it. Some of the other stuff I'm not so sure about, though. > If you started with Slackware 4.0 and that was your first > Linux, then you may well find Debian different enough that it's bothersome > because it "isn't Slackware" - but there's any amount of individual > customisation you can do. Oh, it's different all right. Bothersome? Sometimes. I've been dealing with it for some years now, and haven't given up on it yet. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 08:18:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > > > me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess that to > > > be the problem, but why is that in there? > > You need to rewind quite a few years of history for a full answer to > this. (Much interesting reading snipped for brevity...) > If you'd like more details on this, I recommend JDEBP's web site. You > can start at <http://jdebp.info/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html>. Much interesting reading there, too... (snip) > In some cases, you simply stop using the -bd option, or its equivalent. > In other cases, maybe you have to patch the daemon to offer a new > option which says *don't* create a child process -- just run normally. > > That's what you're seeing here with Pulse Audio. What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's started by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start manually at some point later on does. (snip) > Welcome to Unix. I've run nothing but linux since 1999, starting with Slackware 4.0, and upgrading to newer versions from time to time. Early on I had no sound card in the machine that I was using, and did not implement a GUI to start with either. Adding those manually was a real interesting exercise, one that I'm happy to not have to repeat with newer hardware and software. Debian came a little later, only in the past few years, and in many respects I'm still getting to know it. I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what gets started up that I don't see any need for -- things like exim, bluetooth stuff (there is _no_ bluetooth hardware on this machine), and some other stuff. Any recommendations as to where I might poke at this to clean things up would be appreciated also. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Friday 07 January 2022 03:03:25 pm Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > Not sure what I'm looking at here... > > > > > > > > No processes with a suitable name. > > > > > > > > Is the "screensaver" showing pictures, or just going black after > > > > a while? > > > > > > It just goes black. The inside of the window that virtualbox uses, that > > > is. Nothing of the sort happening on the host machine. > > > > Ah-hah. > > > > Inside the virtualbox, run > > > > xset s off > > > > which will turn off the built-in X11 screen blanker. > > > > man xset for details. > > > > -dsr- > > Okay, tried that and we'll see what happens. > > My question, then, is what would have turned this on? It wasn't on > before... That didn't do it, but apparently xset -dpms did. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > Not sure what I'm looking at here... > > > > > > No processes with a suitable name. > > > > > > Is the "screensaver" showing pictures, or just going black after > > > a while? > > > > It just goes black. The inside of the window that virtualbox uses, that > > is. Nothing of the sort happening on the host machine. > > > Ah-hah. > > Inside the virtualbox, run > > xset s off > > which will turn off the built-in X11 screen blanker. > > man xset for details. > > -dsr- Okay, tried that and we'll see what happens. My question, then, is what would have turned this on? It wasn't on before... And, please don't cc to my direct address, I do get the list here and I do read all of the messages. Doing so only results in me getting the message twice, which is not necessary or desirable. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Thursday 06 January 2022 12:05:38 pm David wrote: > > I did an upgrade from 8 -> 9, and that's where things are sitting at the > > moment. > > I've been encouraged to get with current stable, which is what, 11 at > > this point? > > > I'll get there, but slowly, so I can see what's changed at each step of the > > process > > and fix that which ends up broken. So. > My two cent opinion (after reading all your messages about this process): > This is not the best approach. A waste of your time, and a waste of our time > reading, and slightly unpleasant if we have to filter out your dissatisfaction > at each hurdle. If you find my posts unpleasant to deal with, feel free to skip them, or filter them out completely. There is that option listed at the bottom of every groups.io message that says "mute this topic"... > Many of the people here who advised you to migrate 8..9..10..11 > (because that is the only way to migrate) are professional system > administrators whose livelihood depends on keeping complex > services available to their clients. > > For a home user (I am one), this stepwise upgrade seems like a waste > of time, unless your hobby is complaining about things that don't work. You are of course entitled to your opinion of my choices. In terms of system administration, *I* am that person here, and there is a level of functionality and a workflow that I want to have continuously maintained during the upgrade process. My circumstances are obvously not yours. And my choices are not yours as well. > In your situation, I would keep the previous system untouched and runnable > somewhere, and create a fresh Debian 11 somewhere else, and migrate > the desired workflow, tools and configuration onto it at my leisure. Right. That's one way to do it, all right. Not my choice here, for a number of reasons. (snip) > complaining about old software looks ridiculous, > and risks alienating people from caring or wanting to help you. Then feel free to ignore and to not respond to my posts, if you feel that way. > Some info on how Debian expects to be used: > https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian Read that, yesterday or the day before. > > I've been nudged more than once to continue with my upgrades to > > bring things up to the current stable version, but am still not sure > > I want to go there in one swell foop. Too many changes, and things > > that aren't right. > > People aren't nudging you to go through a tortuous 8..9..10..11 > upgrade process. People are simply recommending that, if you > want to use Debian, that you use the latest stable, 11. > How you get there is your choice. Just so. I've made my choice, and am proceeding on that basis. All: Please don't cc replies to me to my direct email. I *do* have this list flowing in here, and I *do* read the messages... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:24:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > ps -auwx|grep -e screen -e lock > > > > That gets me this: > > > > Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See > > http://procps.sf.net/faq.html > > root 110 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:15 [kblockd/0] > > root 295 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:00 > > [glock_workqueue] > > root 1114 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:00 > > [block-osm/0] > > root 11332 0.0 0.1 2088 668 pts/0S+ 10:41 0:00 grep -e > > screen -e lock > > > > Not sure what I'm looking at here... > > No processes with a suitable name. > > Is the "screensaver" showing pictures, or just going black after > a while? It just goes black. The inside of the window that virtualbox uses, that is. Nothing of the sort happening on the host machine. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:24:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > ps -auwx|grep -e screen -e lock That gets me this: Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html root 110 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:15 [kblockd/0] root 295 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:00 [glock_workqueue] root 1114 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:00 [block-osm/0] root 11332 0.0 0.1 2088 668 pts/0S+ 10:41 0:00 grep -e screen -e lock Not sure what I'm looking at here... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:20:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 01:01:07AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental > > upgrades all the time, and the latest one is chirp20220103, which I > > downloaded. When I went to invoke it directly, there was an error about > > some missing python bit. Going into synaptic, I didn't see chirp listed at > > all, though it did show up when I did a search, and installing that > > package > > got me a version from 2018! (Why the repository can't be more up to date > > than that I don't know.) This also provided the missing python bit. So I > > edited the application menu entry to point to the new version, and it now > > works. > > It would help if you would be more specific. Give us the actual names > of things, and the actual version numbers. > > For example: > > unicorn:~$ apt-cache search --names-only chirp > chirp - Configuration tool for amateur radios > unicorn:~$ apt-cache show chirp | head > Package: chirp > Version: 1:20200227+py3+20200213-3 > Installed-Size: 4206 > Maintainer: Debian Hamradio Maintainers > Architecture: all > Depends: python3-future, python3-serial, python3-six, python3-wxgtk4.0, > python3:any > Description-en: Configuration tool for amateur radios > CHIRP is a free, open-source tool for programming your amateur radio. It > supports a large number of manufacturers and models, as well as provides a > way > to interface with multiple data sources and formats. > > Going by the version number, that looks like it's from 2020. Are you > not running the current stable release of Debian? No, I'm not. I had been updating packages from time to time using synaptic, under the mistaken impression that this would keep things current, and then I found that not to be the case. I did an upgrade from 8 -> 9, and that's where things are sitting at the moment. I've been encouraged to get with current stable, which is what, 11 at this point? I'll get there, but slowly, so I can see what's changed at each step of the process and fix that which ends up broken. > As far as running your chirp20220103 version, seeing the errors might be > helpful. I'm not a python expert myself, but I'd be willing to bet that > someone on this list would be able to advise you if we could see the > actual error message. It was missing the python-serial package, which installing the older version in synaptic got me, so it's working now. But the version that synaptic installed was from 2018! That one isn't going to support this radio, which is a tri-bander, hence my move to the current version... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
So in my Xfce applications menu I have a top-level entry "Ham radio", and there was exactly _one_ program to invoke under that, called "chirp". (I use this to program radios.) I don't run this too often, but having recently acquired a new radio I went to fire it up, and got a "file not found" error. WTF? I've no idea where this menu stores its data, but there was no entry there when I went into the menu option to edit thing. It just showed *no* entry in there at all. Why an upgrade would screw with this I have no idea... So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental upgrades all the time, and the latest one is chirp20220103, which I downloaded. When I went to invoke it directly, there was an error about some missing python bit. Going into synaptic, I didn't see chirp listed at all, though it did show up when I did a search, and installing that package got me a version from 2018! (Why the repository can't be more up to date than that I don't know.) This also provided the missing python bit. So I edited the application menu entry to point to the new version, and it now works. I've been nudged more than once to continue with my upgrades to bring things up to the current stable version, but am still not sure I want to go there in one swell foop. Too many changes, and things that aren't right. I'm stilll trying to figure out what's invoking a screensaver in my virtualbox slackware install, which I don't want but can't quite figout out how to turn off... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Sunday 02 January 2022 09:56:14 pm David Wright wrote: > On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > Yeah, except that I don't run KDE. I do have it installed, to be able to > > access certain programs that come with it, but my desktop environment of > > choice is currently Xfce. > > My understanding is that when you install a package like KDE, > there's an assumption that you'll probably want to run it, and > so it configures the system on that basis. When I first installed I selected multiple different desktop environments, so I could try them out. I did not expect that ones that I was not running would have any effect in the one that I was running... (snip) > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that Debian > > isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would account for the > > guest OS not being able to talk to it... > > No idea; you'd have to check this for yourself. ISTR there may be > issues with pulseaudio if it's running as a system daemon rather > than for the logged-in user, but I don't know the details. Running pulseaudio --start fixed that problem, but now I show two instances of it runninng. In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess that to be the problem, but why is that in there? And where do I fix it? I also see "parent systemd" and after a bit of poking around in there I'm rather thoroughly confused, not at all sure where I'd have to fix this. Although /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudioi.service seems pertinent. Why would that have "daemonize=no" in there? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Wednesday 22 December 2021 11:21:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of > > > > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the right > > > > userid and the X11 session you are running in doesn't know about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Run "pulseaudio --start" and try again. > > > > > > That did get the volume control as invoked from the Xfce applications > > > menu working, all right. Looking in the process table that I see under > > > KDE System Monitor (what I usually use to keep track of system loading) I > > > now see pulseaudio in there twice. One shows the command you mention > > > here, and the other one doesn't, and says "daemonize=no". I'm guessing > > > that's the problem, where to fix it is another question. Mousing over > > > it I also see "parent=systemd" for both of them... > > > > > > Looking at "man systemd", nothing jumps out at me with regard to where I > > > want to go from here. ? > > With this having been done, after restarting the virtualbox instance, > > sound is now working there also. What I might need to fiddle with in terms > > of systemd is not at all clear to me, though. I don't know why this would > > have changed with the upgrade. Yes, it's things changing when I upgrade that bother me about all of this... > > Any further thoughts on this? > > Since it just happened... I'll say that pulseaudio is easily on > the same level of reliability as Windows 95. I decided to test > out the advertised capability of a music player as a USB DAC. As > soon as I got things plugged in, the pulseaudio daemon crashed. > After I restarted it, the pulseeffects equalizer service froze. > After I restarted that, pulseeffects decided that it would be a > good idea to use the USB microphone as both default input and > output... I don't know enough about what you're dealing with there to comment on this. > It's currently working. But I'd so much rather have systems that > didn't think that they should switch configurations > automatically, since PA is so terrible at reading my mind. > > Anyway, upgrade to bullseye. I'll get there. But before I continue with upgrades, I intend to fix what's broken, and maybe trim some of the fat out of the system as it stands, so I don't end up having to download and upgrade stuff I don't use or don't want. In my initial install, I selected multiple desktop environments, so I could try them out. While I was fine with real early versions of KDE, I don't like where they've gone with it so I don't use it as a desktop, though I do use a few of the utilities. I seem to be seeing bits of stuff running, though, that shouldn't be. And also from some of the other choices. I need to clean that up a bit, I think, in addition to the above... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > Well, sound on the Debian side of things works, as in playing youtube > > > videos and such. It doesn't work in the Slackware virtualbox, which is > > > apparently trying to connect to Pulseaudio. Going through the Xfce > > > application menus just now I see very little that would tell me what it > > > is that's actually running here, so I figure I probably need to typs > > > something on the command line in a terminal, but I don't know what. > > > > > > One thing that shows up in the Xfce application menu under multimedia is > > > "Pulseaudio Volume Control". When I invoke this a small window pops up, > > > with the text "Establishing connection to Pulseaudio. Please wait" and > > > then nothing happens, even if I let it sit there for quite a while. > > > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of > > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the right > > userid and the X11 session you are running in doesn't know about > > it. > > > > Run "pulseaudio --start" and try again. > > That did get the volume control as invoked from the Xfce applications menu > working, all right. Looking in the process table that I see under KDE > System Monitor (what I usually use to keep track of system loading) I now see > pulseaudio in there twice. One shows the command you mention here, and the > other one doesn't, and says "daemonize=no". I'm guessing that's the > problem, where to fix it is another question. Mousing over it I also see > "parent=systemd" for both of them... > > Looking at "man systemd", nothing jumps out at me with regard to where I > want to go from here. With this having been done, after restarting the virtualbox instance, sound is now working there also. What I might need to fiddle with in terms of systemd is not at all clear to me, though. I don't know why this would have changed with the upgrade. Any further thoughts on this? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Sunday 19 December 2021 05:48:12 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > > > > account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it... > > > > > > As far as I'm aware there is no default sound server in Debian, it's > > > whatever the corresponding Desktop Environment depends on. Usually this > > > is PulseAudio, but it seems PipeWire is becoming more popular. > > > > Well, sound on the Debian side of things works, as in playing youtube > > videos and such. It doesn't work in the Slackware virtualbox, which is > > apparently trying to connect to Pulseaudio. Going through the Xfce > > application menus just now I see very little that would tell me what it is > > that's actually running here, so I figure I probably need to typs > > something on the command line in a terminal, but I don't know what. > > > > One thing that shows up in the Xfce application menu under multimedia is > > "Pulseaudio Volume Control". When I invoke this a small window pops up, > > with the text "Establishing connection to Pulseaudio. Please wait" and > > then nothing happens, even if I let it sit there for quite a while. > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the right > userid and the X11 session you are running in doesn't know about > it. > > Run "pulseaudio --start" and try again. That did get the volume control as invoked from the Xfce applications menu working, all right. Looking in the process table that I see under KDE System Monitor (what I usually use to keep track of system loading) I now see pulseaudio in there twice. One shows the command you mention here, and the other one doesn't, and says "daemonize=no". I'm guessing that's the problem, where to fix it is another question. Mousing over it I also see "parent=systemd" for both of them... Looking at "man systemd", nothing jumps out at me with regard to where I want to go from here. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > > account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it... > > As far as I'm aware there is no default sound server in Debian, it's > whatever the corresponding Desktop Environment depends on. Usually this > is PulseAudio, but it seems PipeWire is becoming more popular. Well, sound on the Debian side of things works, as in playing youtube videos and such. It doesn't work in the Slackware virtualbox, which is apparently trying to connect to Pulseaudio. Going through the Xfce application menus just now I see very little that would tell me what it is that's actually running here, so I figure I probably need to typs something on the command line in a terminal, but I don't know what. One thing that shows up in the Xfce application menu under multimedia is "Pulseaudio Volume Control". When I invoke this a small window pops up, with the text "Establishing connection to Pulseaudio. Please wait" and then nothing happens, even if I let it sit there for quite a while. Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit", which I would do, > > > > and then within a few seconds it would come right back again! I > > > > finally > > > > tracked this down to being "KDEaccessible", which I've done nothing to > > > > invoke and don't know why the upgrade put that in there. I solved the > > > > problem by using synaptic to uninstall the package, since I have no > > > > use > > > > for it. > > > > > > This one is solved for the moment, then. > > > > Yeah, but why the heck did this get turned on in the first place? Or even > > installed? > > One might hypothesise that > . you run KDE, and KDE makes cvhanges that aren't always popular with > every user. > . KDE recommends kdeaccessibility depends on kaccessible. > . KDE make changes to kaccessible for people who require and use it. > Seems reasonable. Yeah, except that I don't run KDE. I do have it installed, to be able to access certain programs that come with it, but my desktop environment of choice is currently Xfce. > > > > 2. My virtual (older) Slackware virtualbox install is seeing a few > > > > issues. > > > Under Slackware it's a very old version of KDE, which I much prefer to the > > newer stuff. > > Yes, that's what I meant above. I think there's a cohort who use TDE instead. I have looked into that, but haven't gone there (yet). Not sure if I'm going to. (snip) There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Thursday 16 December 2021 06:00:19 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > I would seriously suggest upgrading from 9 to at least 10. You might sort > > > out some of the issues but, more > > > importantly, will be moving up to a better supported system > > > > > I'll get there. But upgrading involves me copying a whole pile of > > stuff over to my server, including some really large files that are > > involved in Virtualbox and the one snapshot I have, and then figuring > > out a whole mess of detailed stuff that I need to do to make the > > upgrade happen. Last time it was something like 3 or 4 days before I > > was back to anything remotely resembling normal, and I'm not looking > > forward to the next time (or two). > > You don't do regular backups? > > I recommend them. Configuring Amanda is on my list, here. > I can also vouch for a couple of facts: > > - every version of Debian stable has been easier to upgrade to than the last. > > - you do about half the amount of work by upgrading from 9 to 10 and then > immediately to 11, and then figuring out what > needs to change, as you would if you tried to figure out changes for each > upgrade. Yeah, but I'm really getting to know a lot about the details of this setup in the process. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > > encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, > > my thinking has been to see how things are working, what's changed, > > what broke, etc. and deal with all of that before I continue on in the > > update process. > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit", which I would do, > > and then within a few seconds it would come right back again! I finally > > tracked this down to being "KDEaccessible", which I've done nothing to > > invoke and don't know why the upgrade put that in there. I solved the > > problem by using synaptic to uninstall the package, since I have no use > > for it. > > > > This one is solved for the moment, then. Yeah, but why the heck did this get turned on in the first place? Or even installed? > > 2. My virtual (older) Slackware virtualbox install is seeing a few issues. > > One of them is that there is apparently a screensaver kicking in after > > some extended period of time. I can't find any place where this is > > enabled, to turn it off. I wasn't using one before and don't want one > > now. Suggestions? > > XFCE desktop: if this is blanking the screen, try checking for power settings. > If it's an _actual_ screensaver with patterns - check to see what screen > saving/locking programs come by default. Under Slackware it's a very old version of KDE, which I much prefer to the newer stuff. When I select screen saver from the k menu, it acts like it's loading for a bit and then stops, with nothing loaded. When I open the control center I can select screen saver in there, under appearance and themes, and blank screen is one of the choices besides all of the graphic ones, but "start automatically" is NOT checked. Under power control the only option seems to be "laptop battery" and selecting a number of different tabs tells me that there seems to be "a partial ACPI installation", but nothing seems to be activated in there either. I can't see anything else in there that seems applicable, even after poking all through the k-menu. The other thing that's changed is that this is a different (and newer) version of Virtualbox, which in fact has been recently upgraded even further. I've poked around in all of the options for that, too, and don't see anything applicable to this. And regarding ACPI, I have used the ACPI shutdown and it does work. Nothing else in there about that. > > 3. Also under the Slackware virtualbox sound has quit working. > > When I boot it, I get a message that says "Host audio backend (PulseAudio) > > initialization has failed. Selecting the NULL audio backend with the > > consequence that no sound is audible." I'm not sure what changed here > > either. On the host (Debian) side, audio works fine for, ferinstance, > > playing a youtube video. But for some things I want to be able to play > > audio under Slackware as well. I found an item in the Xfce applications > > menu under Multimedia that says "Pulseaudio Volume Control" and when I > > hit that I get a smallish popup window with no apparent content other > > than "Establishing connection to PulseAudio, please wait..." and then > > nothing happens for a good long while now. Suggestions? > > > > How old id the virtualbox version - is there an option for audio passthrough > or similar? The version is pretty recent, and in fact has been recently updated. Clicking on the about option under help, I see "Version 6.1.3-r148432 (Qt5.7.1). But both this and the above issue were happening before and after the virtualbox upgrade, and only since the Debian upgrade, which got me to a different version of Virtualbox than what I'd been running before. As far as Virtualbox audio settings, under Devices there are two options under Audio, one for in and one for out, and when selecting them there's a minor change in the icon displayed, but other than that it's not clear to me what these are supposed to do. I suppose digging into the help might be enlightening. Except that it's not finding the file that it wants to open to display help. :-( Their online help pointed me at settings, where I see that audio out and in are enabled but it also says "invalid settings detected" on that page, and I've not a clue yet where I might find those... > >
8 -> 9 update changing things
I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, my thinking has been to see how things are working, what's changed, what broke, etc. and deal with all of that before I continue on in the update process. Some of the things I'm dealing with are: 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit", which I would do, and then within a few seconds it would come right back again! I finally tracked this down to being "KDEaccessible", which I've done nothing to invoke and don't know why the upgrade put that in there. I solved the problem by using synaptic to uninstall the package, since I have no use for it. 2. My virtual (older) Slackware virtualbox install is seeing a few issues. One of them is that there is apparently a screensaver kicking in after some extended period of time. I can't find any place where this is enabled, to turn it off. I wasn't using one before and don't want one now. Suggestions? 3. Also under the Slackware virtualbox sound has quit working. When I boot it, I get a message that says "Host audio backend (PulseAudio) initialization has failed. Selecting the NULL audio backend with the consequence that no sound is audible." I'm not sure what changed here either. On the host (Debian) side, audio works fine for, ferinstance, playing a youtube video. But for some things I want to be able to play audio under Slackware as well. I found an item in the Xfce applications menu under Multimedia that says "Pulseaudio Volume Control" and when I hit that I get a smallish popup window with no apparent content other than "Establishing connection to PulseAudio, please wait..." and then nothing happens for a good long while now. Suggestions? 4. There is *something* kicking off around midnight local time that produces a whole lot of disk activity for a few minutes, slowing down whatever else I might be doing at the time. I've looked at various things like cron, at, etc. to see if I can find something in there but no luck so far. Suggestions? There's probably more, but I would like to get these things ironed out before I go chasing any more stuff, and before I continue on the upgrade path... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: changed file while editing
On Saturday 11 December 2021 06:20:16 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 05:18:32PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Saturday 11 December 2021 02:39:06 pm David Wright wrote: > > > Another facility that I don't use is "click-to-focus", because > > > I prefer to focus a window just by shoving the mouse inside it > > > (no precision required). > > > > I prefer this as well. Where is this set? > > It's a feature of your window manager. Some WMs offer it, and some do > not. Some offer multiple modes, and you can configure things to use the > mode you prefer. > > It's specific to your WM. How you configure it (if there is any choice) > is specific to your WM. Could be a thing you click, could be a line you > put into a text config file, could be *anything*. I'm using Xfce here. Found it, and it was on the wrong setting, now fixed... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: changed file while editing
On Saturday 11 December 2021 02:39:06 pm David Wright wrote: > Another facility that I don't use is "click-to-focus", because > I prefer to focus a window just by shoving the mouse inside it > (no precision required). I prefer this as well. Where is this set? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: choice of web browsers
On Friday 29 October 2021 09:10:29 am Dan Ritter wrote: > You can substantially improve the memory usage and speed of > firefox by installing the extension ublock Origin. Thanks for posting this, I've installed it and reviewed a fair amount of the docs. It looks to be truly useful... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: How exactly do I create a Debian live USB?
On Tuesday 12 October 2021 08:07:58 am Махно wrote: > Hello. Your PC doesn't have a floppy drive, but you have /dev/fd0, and many > things will try to use it. You can disable this message > (blk_update_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 op). > As root > > # rmmod floppy > # echo "blacklist floppy" | tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-floppy.conf > # dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools My computer does have one, but I don't use it at all. Seeing similar error messaged, I've copied and pasted these three lines into a terminal window. We'll see if those messages go away next time I boot... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
More issues
So when I tell synaptic package manager to reload, to get current information, I see "failed" for two of the things that it's trying to download. Then I get a box with error messages in it as follows: "GPG error: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A2F683C52980AECFThe repository 'https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch InRelease' is not signed." I seem to vaguely recall something about a key on the Oracle site where I downloaded this, but am not 100% sure. What do I need to do to fix this? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
an annoying blue dot
So I'm currently looking at an annoying blue dot up there in my taskbar, adjacent to the speaker and network icons over there on the right hand side. When I click on it I get a small popup window saying "KDE Accessible", and when I right-click on it I get a smallish menu, one option of which is "Quit", which when I select it makes the blue dot go away. For a bit. Then it comes back... This is annoying. I never enabled this, don't know where to get it to stop doing that. I have KDE installed on this box but don't use it as a desktop environment, only use bits of it here and there. My desktop environment of choice is Xfce. Any suggestions as to how to put a stop to this welcomed... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Tuesday 05 October 2021 09:04:03 am David Wright wrote: > > > So the main things to confirm as working are the specific points > > > mentioned in the respective Release Notes. In stretch that would > > > be, for example, the 4.9 kernel is finding everything, > > > > About the only issue that I've noticed after this stuff all getting fixed > > is that there's something up with the sound. Given the details of what > > advice I saw someone else getting, I have a few things to look at. The > > virtualbox OS complained about it too. :-) > > I can't see the point unless you depend on, say, a screen reader to be > able to move forward at all. Youtube videos, for one example? I did get some sound going, fired up kmix and found that the one slider was turned all the way down for some reason. That gets me sound in the main OS, but there still appears to be some kind of issue in virtualbox. I'll work it out... > After all, how long are you intending to run stretch for? I'm not sure just yet, after all of that I'm no exactly in a big hurry to move forward. > > > that X may be running as a user (rather than root) on the console it's > > > started from, > > > > I'm not sure I see the concern here. > > An issue that caught some people out was finding the X server log, > as it had to move out of /var/log/ (users don't have permission), > and into a "hidden" directory, ~/.local/share/xorg/. Running > root-owned applications is different, and you can get permissions > problems with opening devices. Unusual though. I just looked, and that's not a problem here. (snip) > > So we'll see how it goes from here. My upgrade path for this step went > > like this: > > > > apt-get autoremove > > edit the sources.list file replacing jessie with stretch > > apt-get update > > apt-get upgrade > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > And then reboot, and see how well things work. Or maybe reboot a couple > > of times... > > Yes, apt-get was recommended for upgrading to stretch. Note however that if > you perform your next upgrades with apt, as recommended, > some of the command names (like dist-upgrade) will differ in apt. I guess I'll have to pay attention to the release notes on that stuff... There's just one other issue I'm not sure of the best way to deal with it. Some time back the monitor that I was using died, and when I replaced it with one of a similar size, the new one had a higher resolution. Which was not a problem as long as the software was feeding it a lower resolution. But apparently somewhere in the upgrade process it decided to change this, and as a result a lot of stuff got *tiny*. I was able to change font sizes in a number of places, and icon sizes in my taskbar, but not in the one in virtualbox, and this old kmail that I'm running (by preference) is only giving me the choice of changing it in some places. The composter not being one of them. Unread msgs being another one. My recollection of other software was that you could, say, right-click on the desktop and get a choice of changing your screen resolution to something else. I'm not seeing that here. I'm sure that there's someplace to fiddle with that setting, I just haven't found it yet. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Monday 04 October 2021 07:55:25 pm David Wright wrote: > On Mon 04 Oct 2021 at 15:25:23 (-0400), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Sunday 03 October 2021 07:53:39 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 04:48:38PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:49:12 -0400 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > > > > I did do a download from their site. But it's not clear to me where > > > > > I need to put it and how to tell the package management software > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Did you download the .deb file of it? You can use dpkg to install, but > > > > it won't automatically take care of dependencies. I use gdebi-core, a > > > > command line utility, that will install the .deb file correctly and > > > > install any dependencies. You must be root to install. > > > > > > You can also use this command to install a locally-downloaded .deb > > > package and its dependencies: > > > > > > apt install ./filename.deb > > > > Okay, I was using a bunch of diferent apt-get commands to do the upgrade. > > This is part of why I'm getting confused, too many tools with very similar > > names... :-) > > > > That *did* install it, and also gave me a really long list of stuff that > > it said wasn't needed any more, but which I didn't deal with at all. I > > assume that the next > > time around the apt-get autoremove command will take care of that? It also > > downloaded one library to work with the package, no big deal there. > > > > I don't see virtualbox in my applications menu. Rebooting, I am seeing a > > *lot* of disk activity, don't know what it's doing there, during the boot > > process. After > > it gets the whole way booted, everything is smaller on my screen! This is > > _not_ good for these 70-YO eyes, > > > > I had thought initially that the program had not been installed into my > > applications menu. But it turns out that they changed the name! Instead > > of being in there > > under "virtualbox" it's now in there umder "Oracle VM Virtualbox", which > > is why I missed it. > > > > Tried it out, it runs. I'm not going to start it right now as I'm > > currently still running it on this laptop, and that would not go well. I > > guess I need to deal with > > moving some files around, maybe do an rsync or something, and then shut > > this one down. > > > > Incidentally the issues with Konqueror and Okular seem to have gone away as > > well. > > > > Now the only thing I need to do is get things back to something like the > > sizes I had before so I can read 'em. Hell, I can't even read the clock > > in my taskbar! > > Any thoughts as to how to do that? > > It would help people trying to follow what you are doing just to confirm at > each stage which version you're now running. > I /think/ you've got as far as stretch. Yes, I wanted to get the issues that I was seeing resolved before I went ahead and proceeded with the rest of the upgrades. At this point I've copied things from the laptop (which got very flaky on me) back to the workstation and I am doing my mail there, like I used to. The font is too damn small, though. > So the main things to confirm as working are the specific points mentioned in > the respective Release Notes. In stretch that would > be, for example, the 4.9 kernel is finding everything, About the only issue that I've noticed after this stuff all getting fixed is that there's something up with the sound. Given the details of what advice I saw someone else getting, I have a few things to look at. The virtualbox OS complained about it too. :-) > that X may be running as a user (rather than root) on the console it's > started from, I'm not sure I see the concern here. > and that your ethernet or wireless connectivity is still good. (Changes were > made to the kernel device naming.) Ethernet is working fine here, as evidenced by the fact that I'm moving lots of data back and forth (32GB for this virtualbox stuff ferinstance) and that I'm doing my mail on this system now. If there had been any issues with that I sure would've been jumping all over it, as I tend to use networking rather heavily. And there is no wireless on this machine. > Those are just a few I recall, but note they all relate to the OS rather than > details in configuring third-party applications. > Once that's done, time to read the next set of Release Notes. Note that even > things like the best tool (apt-get or aptitude) to
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Sunday 03 October 2021 07:53:39 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 04:48:38PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:49:12 -0400 > > "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > > I did do a download from their site. But it's not clear to me where > > > I need to put it and how to tell the package management software > > > about it. > > > > Did you download the .deb file of it? You can use dpkg to install, but > > it won't automatically take care of dependencies. I use gdebi-core, a > > command line utility, that will install the .deb file correctly and > > install any dependencies. You must be root to install. > > You can also use this command to install a locally-downloaded .deb > package and its dependencies: > > apt install ./filename.deb Okay, I was using a bunch of diferent apt-get commands to do the upgrade. This is part of why I'm getting confused, too many tools with very similar names... :-) That *did* install it, and also gave me a really long list of stuff that it said wasn't needed any more, but which I didn't deal with at all. I assume that the next time around the apt-get autoremove command will take care of that? It also downloaded one library to work with the package, no big deal there. I don't see virtualbox in my applications menu. Rebooting, I am seeing a *lot* of disk activity, don't know what it's doing there, during the boot process. After it gets the whole way booted, everything is smaller on my screen! This is _not_ good for these 70-YO eyes, I had thought initially that the program had not been installed into my applications menu. But it turns out that they changed the name! Instead of being in there under "virtualbox" it's now in there umder "Oracle VM Virtualbox", which is why I missed it. Tried it out, it runs. I'm not going to start it right now as I'm currently still running it on this laptop, and that would not go well. I guess I need to deal with moving some files around, maybe do an rsync or something, and then shut this one down. Incidentally the issues with Konqueror and Okular seem to have gone away as well. Now the only thing I need to do is get things back to something like the sizes I had before so I can read 'em. Hell, I can't even read the clock in my taskbar! Any thoughts as to how to do that? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Sunday 03 October 2021 07:48:38 pm Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:49:12 -0400 > "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > > Also, read and follow the Release Notes of dist-upgrade for each > > > version. > > > > Where are these to be found? > > https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes (Bullseye) Okay, looking the first one over it's not particularly pertinent since I'm not upgrading to jessie, but away from it. Looking over the next one, lots of stuff in there amd I can see where some of it doesn't apply to my situation here but out of the rest of it I'm not sure just what _does_ apply. I haven't looked over the last two yet, figuring that I'm not there yet and will worry about that a bit later... > Here's the main document page: > > https://www.debian.org/doc/ Noted. > > > Reboot after each version upgrade, then do an apt-get update/upgrade, > > > etc. > > > > Are you suggesting that I go through that for all of the versions, one > > after another? > > Yes. You want to make sure that each version is fully up to date BEFORE > dist-upgrading to the next. How specifically do I do that? > Also, check that the repo sources list is correct for each version. I'm assuming that you refer to /etc/apt/sources.list? At the beginning of this process I edited it changing references to jessie to refer to stretch. I apparently messed up with not including the line to read the DVD, so I ended up downloading a *lot* of stuff that I already had on hand here. One thing that I found curious is that I saw the system also downloading some i386 packages, and am not sure why it did that since I'm only expecting to need the amd64 packages. I suppose I could find these and delete them to free up some disk space, but space isn't that much of a problem on the system in question at the moment. I appear to have in excess of 150GB free space at the moment... > > > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. > > > > Which is a real problem, because it's inside a virtual machine > > > > that I do all of my mail, so I couldn't get at my mail for a > > > > while. In Synaptic Package Manager if I try to install it I get > > > > the following error message: > > > > > > > > "Package virtualbox has no available version, but exists in the > > > > database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in > > > > a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not > > > > available with the contents of sources.list" > > > > > > > > I got temporarily past this by installing 8 on this laptop I'm > > > > currently typimg on. Some things are decidedly less convenient. > > > > > > Complete the dist-upgrade for all versions, then reinstall > > > VirtualBox. Be sure you saved all your VMs before the > > > dist-upgrade(s). They may be deleted. > > > > Yes, I did save them and will do so again before I proceed, since > > I'm modifying this one as I type here... Still... > > > I don't use the VB version in the Debian repos, but download and > > > install the .deb directly from their web site. During the install > > > the VB repo will be set up. > > > > I did do a download from their site. But it's not clear to me where > > I need to put it and how to tell the package management software > > about it. > > Did you download the .deb file of it? Yes. > You can use dpkg to install, but it won't automatically take care of > dependencies. I use gdebi-core, a > command line utility, that will install the .deb file correctly and > install any dependencies. You must be root to install. Is that another package that I should install? > > > > Firefox is majorly different, apparently having gone from 68.9.0 > > > > --> 78.14.0esr. It no longer uses the font that I'm telling it > > > > to, and for some odd reason won't play any youtube videos any > > > > more. Instead I see a message on the screen that says "if video > > > > doesn't start momentarily restart your device". Huh? > > > > > > > > Konqueror is also broken, I get "Could not start proess Unable to > > > > create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'"... > > > > > > > > Trying to open a file with Okular gets me a similar message. > > > >
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Sunday 03 October 2021 01:13:19 pm Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Sunday 03 October 2021 11:02:46 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > (snip) > > > What amount of output does an apt-get update give you? > > > > Nine lines starting with "Get:", "Ign:", "Hit:" etc. > > > > "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." > > > > "Is the package apt-transport-https installed?" > > So I figured I'd look, and sure enough, it's not installed. I told it to > do so, and while that seemed to go okay for a bit at the end of the process > I get a box popped up saying "An error has occurred". In the box it says "W: > Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file > 'var/cache/apt/archives/partial/apt-transport-https_1.4.11_amd64.deb couldn't > be accessed by user '_apt'.-pkgAcquire::run (13 Permission denied) > > No idea what the problem is here... But then I looked, and synaptic tells me that it _is_ installed in spite of that message. So I tried apt-get update again, and the results are slightly different. A bunch of lines starting with Hiit:1, Ign:2, Hit:3, Hit:4, Get:6, Ign:6, Get:7. (No idea why 5 isn't in there.) This time I get a different error: W: GPG error: https://download/virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not avaiolable: NO PUBKEY A2F683C52980AECF followed by a couple more lines the last of which refers me to apt-secure(8). -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Sunday 03 October 2021 11:02:46 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: (snip) > > What amount of output does an apt-get update give you? > > Nine lines starting with "Get:", "Ign:", "Hit:" etc. > > "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." > > "Is the package apt-transport-https installed?" So I figured I'd look, and sure enough, it's not installed. I told it to do so, and while that seemed to go okay for a bit at the end of the process I get a box popped up saying "An error has occurred". In the box it says "W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'var/cache/apt/archives/partial/apt-transport-https_1.4.11_amd64.deb couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'.-pkgAcquire::run (13 Permission denied) No idea what the problem is here... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Sunday 03 October 2021 12:11:13 am Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:57:51 -0400 > "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > > In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my > > workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go > > 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not > > go well in a number of ways... > > First, back up all your data before starting the dist-upgrade series. I did back up a bunch of stuff, and it's a good thing I did, or I would have lost a lot... > Also, read and follow the Release Notes of dist-upgrade for each version. Where are these to be found? > Reboot after each version upgrade, then do an apt-get update/upgrade, etc. Are you suggesting that I go through that for all of the versions, one after another? > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. Which > > is a real problem, because it's inside a virtual machine that I do > > all of my mail, so I couldn't get at my mail for a while. In > > Synaptic Package Manager if I try to install it I get the following > > error message: > > > > "Package virtualbox has no available version, but exists in the > > database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a > > dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not > > available with the contents of sources.list" > > > > I got temporarily past this by installing 8 on this laptop I'm > > currently typimg on. Some things are decidedly less convenient. > > Complete the dist-upgrade for all versions, then reinstall VirtualBox. > Be sure you saved all your VMs before the dist-upgrade(s). They > may be deleted. Yes, I did save them and will do so again before I proceed, since I'm modifying this one as I type here... > I don't use the VB version in the Debian repos, but download and install the > .deb directly from their web site. During the > install the VB repo will be set up. I did do a download from their site. But it's not clear to me where I need to put it and how to tell the package management software about it. > > Firefox is majorly different, apparently having gone from 68.9.0 --> > > 78.14.0esr. It no longer uses the font that I'm telling it to, and > > for some odd reason won't play any youtube videos any more. Instead > > I see a message on the screen that says "if video doesn't start > > momentarily restart your device". Huh? > > > > Konqueror is also broken, I get "Could not start proess Unable to > > create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'"... > > > > Trying to open a file with Okular gets me a similar message. > > Complete the entire dist-upgrade before trying to fix problems. The problems > may fix themselves. For all of the versions, straight through to 11? > > I don't see any way to back out of these changes, or any obvious > > place to look for where the problems are. Suggestions welcomed. > > I avoid dist-upgrading, if I can because of such problems, and do a > clean install of the newest version on a free partition keeping the old > install as fallback in case something goes awry. I have done similar in the passt, with Slackware. Which isually involves stickinng another hard drive in the machine. I don't have one handy at present, though, and probably won't be getting one in the near-term. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Saturday 02 October 2021 02:17:43 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 12:34:50PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 11:57:51AM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my > > > workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go > > > 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not go > > > well in a number of ways... > > > > > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox > > If you really need to run a VM, you may well be able to convert the > virtualbox VM to something portable suitable for, say, QEMU. I'm not familiar with that at all, nor with how I would go about such a conversion... > More important is to get the important machine updated - I thought that's what I was doing. I didn't expect so much stuff to break in the process. > and to then replace the 8 you've installed on the laptop you're writing from. I had 10 on it before, along with some ham radio related stuff, but I hadn't really invested a whole lot of time into configuring, etc. Once I get beyond this nonsense I expect that installing 11 on it and re-installing those programs won't be much of an issue. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Saturday 02 October 2021 02:33:24 pm David Christensen wrote: > On 10/2/21 08:57, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my > > workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go > > 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not go > > well in a number of ways... > > > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. Which is a > > real problem, because it's inside a virtual machine that I do all of my > > mail, so I couldn't get at my mail for a while. In Synaptic Package > > Manager if I try to install it I get the following error message: > > > > "Package virtualbox has no available version, but exists in the database. > > This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and > > never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents > > of sources.list" > > > > I got temporarily past this by installing 8 on this laptop I'm currently > > typimg on. Some things are decidedly less convenient. > > > > Firefox is majorly different, apparently having gone from 68.9.0 --> > > 78.14.0esr. It no longer uses the font that I'm telling it to, and for > > some odd reason won't play any youtube videos any more. Instead I see a > > message on the screen that says "if video doesn't start momentarily restart > > your device". Huh? > > > > Konqueror is also broken, I get "Could not start proess Unable to create > > io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'"... > > > > Trying to open a file with Okular gets me a similar message. > > > > I don't see any way to back out of these changes, or any obvious place to > > look for where the problems are. Suggestions welcomed. > > Backup your system configuration settings and data, remove the system > disk, insert a blank, small, fast system disk for the OS, do a fresh > install of the OS of your choosing, configure as desired, add blank, big > RAID for data, and restore data. > > David My current hardware purchasing budget is currently completely dedicated to buying stuff that I need to replace thanks to a nearby lightning strike. Next up is getting my laser printer working again. More and better hard drives will have to wait, unfortunately... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Saturday 02 October 2021 12:34:50 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 11:57:51AM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my > > workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go > > 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not go > > well in a number of ways... > > > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. > > https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox Looking at that page, it seems to go off in a number of different directions, and it's not clear to me what I might want to do here. I did at one point download some stuff from the Oracle site, but am now not sure what to do with it in terms of making it work with the packaging setup. In /var/cache/apt there seem to be over a dozen different virtualbox files, and elsewhere Im finding virtualbox-6.1_6.2.26-145957-Debian-stretch-amd64.deb which shows a date stamp within the past week. But how to get the system to use this is not clear to me. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Saturday 02 October 2021 12:27:26 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 11:57:51AM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my > > workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go > > 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not go > > well in a number of ways... > > > > For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. Which is a > > real problem, because it's inside a virtual machine that I do all of my > > mail, so I couldn't get at my mail for a while. In Synaptic Package > > Manager if I try to install it I get the following error message: > > > > "Package virtualbox has no available version, but exists in the database. > > This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and > > never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents > > of sources.list" > > > > I got temporarily past this by installing 8 on this laptop I'm currently > > typimg on. Some things are decidedly less convenient. > > > > Firefox is majorly different, apparently having gone from 68.9.0 --> > > 78.14.0esr. It no longer uses the font that I'm telling it to, and for > > some odd reason won't play any youtube videos any more. Instead I see a > > message on the screen that says "if video doesn't start momentarily restart > > your device". Huh? > > > > Konqueror is also broken, I get "Could not start proess Unable to create > > io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'"... > > > > Trying to open a file with Okular gets me a similar message. > > > > I don't see any way to back out of these changes, or any obvious place to > > look for where the problems are. Suggestions welcomed. > > > > > > Hi Roy, > > On the broken machine: can you give us the output of /etc/debian_version 9.13 > What's the kernel version it's currently running - uname -a should give you > that. 3.16.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.84--1 (2020-06-9) x86_64 GNU/Linux > Firefox _will_ be majorly different: it's one of the packages where we > have to continue to track upstream's -esr version because we can't backport > security fixes. Okay, but I don't get the apparent inability/refusal to play any videos? It's not just youtube... > What amount of output does an apt-get update give you? Nine lines starting with "Get:", "Ign:", "Hit:" etc. "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." "Is the package apt-transport-https installed?" "Failed to fetch https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease; and: "Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead." > If you can give us more info, we can perhaps help you better. Hope this helps. I am really not sure what is going on here... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
unhappy upgrade
In recent messaging here I touched on how I'd determined that my workstation was way behind being current. Apparently I needed to go 8->9->10->11. I tried the first of those steps, and things did not go well in a number of ways... For some reason, the software decided to remove virtualbox. Which is a real problem, because it's inside a virtual machine that I do all of my mail, so I couldn't get at my mail for a while. In Synaptic Package Manager if I try to install it I get the following error message: "Package virtualbox has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list" I got temporarily past this by installing 8 on this laptop I'm currently typimg on. Some things are decidedly less convenient. Firefox is majorly different, apparently having gone from 68.9.0 --> 78.14.0esr. It no longer uses the font that I'm telling it to, and for some odd reason won't play any youtube videos any more. Instead I see a message on the screen that says "if video doesn't start momentarily restart your device". Huh? Konqueror is also broken, I get "Could not start proess Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'"... Trying to open a file with Okular gets me a similar message. I don't see any way to back out of these changes, or any obvious place to look for where the problems are. Suggestions welcomed. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: upgrading and stuff
On Sunday 26 September 2021 01:59:05 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Follow the clues form the blog below: > > https://economictheoryblog.com/2015/11/08/how-to-enable-gui-root-login-in-debian-8/ > > Edit /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and add > > AllowRoot=true under [security] > > Then edit /etc/pam.d/gdm-password and comment out (with a #) the line > > auth required pam_succeed_if.so.user != root quiet_success That stuff is already done on this system. I looked over that post and several related ones, and it's apparent to me that the steps required are different from one version to another. Given that, I'm beginning to think that a textmode login might be my best choice, followed by startx, to simplify things. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: upgrading and stuff
On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:36:34 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > If the system will not let you login as root from the graphical > display manager, it's the GDM's fault. It may be a configurable > option in its /etc/whateverdm. If not, you can always replace a > recalcitrant GDM with original xdm, which doesn't care so much. That appears to be the problem. GDM? What do I need to be looking at here? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: upgrading and stuff
On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:08:23 pm Andy Smith wrote: > The release of the three newer stable versions of Debian seems to have > happened without you noticing. Life has handed me a whole mess of things to deal with over the past year or two... > If you remain subscribed to this mailing list then you will surely read here > about the release of > Debian 12 (bookworm), but if you want a very low traffic announcements feed > then you could subscribe to the debian-announce > list instead: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ > > It's only received 6 emails so far this year: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2021/threads.html I *do* have that list flowing in here, along with Debian News and Debian Security. I guess I need to give it some more attention? > > consulted the release notes about how one might go about upgrading, and > > from the latest on back each one says something to > > the effect of only being able to upgrade from the last major version, so > > if there's a good way to do this whole thing at once > > I'd sure like to hear about it. > > Yes, upgrades are only supported from one release to another, so if you wish > to upgrade this machine you're going to have to consult the > release notes for Debian 9 about upgrading from 8.x to 9.x, and then the > release notes for Debian 10, and so on until you are at Debian > 11.x. I have multiple tabs open in my browser to just those things. > It's not supported to go directly from 8 to 11 (or even from 8 to 10) and > trying to do so will probably end in failure. > > Or you could just reinstall and then put your data files back in > place from your backups. That may be quicker. Maybe, but I'm not sure that I want to go there at the moment. > > The only thing that works there is to log in as a regular user, and then > > use the su command to get there. A bit of a pain. Where > > in the software is this controlled? I really would like to change this > > behavior, if at all possible. > > I am not aware of any modern desktop environment that allows to log in and > run the entire GUI as root, for reasons you said you didn't > want to hear about. Someone else may be able to suggest some alternate > desktop environment that allows this. Well, I guess we'll see what turns up in the messages then. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
upgrading and stuff
I've been running Slackware since 1999 or so, Debian somewhat less than that. I figured I'd give it a try because I was interested in handling dependencies easier (which it surely does well) and because in looking at so many distros I see a great many of them are "debian-based"... Lots of differences! systemd instead of init, grub instead of LILO, and probably many more than I'd want to list here. I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to upgrades. Mostly it's been a matter of running synaptic package manager from time to time, and that's about it. Except that lately it doesn't seem to be finding much of anything to do. Reading some of the stuff in here, I suspect that I'm horribly out of date. Executing "cat /etc/debian-version" returns 8.11! And there's now apparently a version 11 out now?! I have followed the advice of some of the posts in this list and consulted the release notes about how one might go about upgrading, and from the latest on back each one says something to the effect of only being able to upgrade from the last major version, so if there's a good way to do this whole thing at once I'd sure like to hear about it. Not much special about this installation, I have done very little to it that's outside of debian packages, maybe the odd script here and there. I do see where they talk about backing stuff up. Oh yeah, and I have virtualbox running, which is where I'm typing this email, as I prefer some software's early versions, running under an older Slackware. Works for me, anyhow... I sometimes want to log in as root. (Please don't waste your time and mine by responding about how it's not a good idea to run as root...) Very early versions of debian would list root, as well as created users, on the login screen. This one doesn't, I have to click on "not listed?" and then type in root and the root password. That works on this install, but I also have a laptop with version 10 on it (sorry, but the codenames are just not something that I find easy to deal with) and in that case this procedure doesn't work. At all. The only thing that works there is to log in as a regular user, and then use the su command to get there. A bit of a pain. Where in the software is this controlled? I really would like to change this behavior, if at all possible. For whatever it's worth, I have no problems with a text-based login screen and then typing startx once I've logged in, which is pretty typical of my Slackware installations anyhow. The copy of Slackware that's running my server machine doesn't even have a GUI installed on it. But where would I make that change? Any help, advice, etc. would be much appreciated. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
update debian file
dear sir ! to day i am talk about you .. i am a iphone user . my iphone is running ios version 12.1.2 . so, that is problem i am download a debian file and instail via ifile with cydia . my debian file properly instail ios device but application not open ...there is a prbolem "SB GAME HACKER" need to be update The developer of this app needs to be update it to work with ios 11.
Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE?
On 07/25/2018 06:32 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/25/2018 04:43 PM, Pascal Obry wrote: Le mercredi 25 juillet 2018 à 15:27 -0500, Roy a écrit : /snip/ Finally for Garmin you don't need Garmin Express with all recent hardware has they are supporting Bluetooth and so you can use the Garmin Express for Mobile. Hope this helps, I don't see how Bluetooth helps. I don't have BT on my computer, and AFAIK, I don't have it on my router, and I don't have any way to connect my phone (even if I knew how) to my Garmin. What am I missing? (The router is an ASUS RT-AC56U, and I have no reason to replace it.) The phone is a typical Motorola, with Android OS. I guess it might have BT, but I don't actually know. I only use it as a phone, and I don't answer it! --doug Hello again Doug- Bluetooth is only for very short range communication. Typical uses are for wireless mouse or keyboard to computer, wireless headset (with microphone, speaker and small switch to answer calls) a to mobile phone, or in Garmins case, from their fitness device to computer. Used for uploading data from the fitness device to the computer. These fitness devices may record the route taken during a run, persons heart rate, number of steps taken, etc. That data can be uploaded to their computer via Bluetooth. But a person certainly cannot recharge the device battery by Bluetooth. Sooner or later it would need to be plugged in to something for that. Whether or not the fitness device software can be updated via Bluetooth, I don't know. I would not do it because "what happens when the battery dies in the middle of an update?" I do not use wireless mouse or keyboard because I don't want to mess with the batteries. I already have enough stuff that uses batteries. The other reason I am making this reply is because of your comment: "I only use it as a phone, and I don't answer it." You probably get as many robo-calls as I used to. There is an app in the Google Play Store called TrueCaller. I have been using it for about 2 years now and really like it. It identifies the number calling you, their name and shows how many spam reports their database shows for that phone number. Then it gives you the option to answer or hang-up (without ever answering the call. When you hang up, it then gives you the option to block that number. The next time they call it hangs up automatically. After about a month of using it you will have most robo callers in your area blocked and your phone will not even ring. (Also, you can always un-block a number if you need to). I think there is a paid version but I use the free version. I guess I'm getting a bit off topic here so I will stop now. Best regards, Roy
Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE?
On 07/25/2018 04:22 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 25 July 2018 16:27:41 Roy wrote: Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies. Now I know that my question made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar concern with Garmin Express. By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages about installing this on Linux. Most of those discussions were from 2010 ~ 2017. The only solution indicated to work was to install Windows as a guest in a virtual machine. Oracle VirtualBox seems to be the most popular. It is what I have used to evaluate numerous Linux distros until finding those I like the best. Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do this, this and this..." At least that would let me know that it was possible. I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not possible at this time. Either use the Windows-in-VBox or Windows-dual-boot solution. I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since the early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and Google answers most of my questions. Doug- to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what I see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows would do it. It contains a complete file system that looks like a mini-Windows installation. It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at the time it is created. Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version of Windows. This is where the Windows program of concern and all of its supporting components get installed. If you want a more complete explanation please check out the WINE wiki page. So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that they have been able to make it work. Best regards, Roy On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote: Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37: (G-Express needs dotNetframework. That is where I get stuck when trying to install it using WINE.) Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 32-bit Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net --- Floris I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I have wine32.32bit, if that is relevant. Thanx--doug One other utility you might try, dfu, device firmware updater. I've no clue if that is the same protocol, but I might see if I can capture the data file after I've paid for it, and use dfu to put it on mine, which is now something like 10+ years out of date. I'd start by seeing if dfu recognizes the garmin. But I don't have any great urgency, the wife is about to the finish line with COPD, so we aren't going anyplace far enough away to need it. Hello Gene, Thanks for your reply. Sorry to hear of your situation with your wife. Best wishes for you and her. I just looked at the commercial version of wine named CrossOver. They have a forum and list of Windows programs that function with it. Sadly, garmin express is listed as "will install but will not run". With Linux I can connect to the garmin as if it was an external storage device to transfer files. Updating the maps is an entirely different function. When connected by USB, garmin express recognizes the device by model number and serial number. Then checks with the garmin servers to verify that the device is eligible for an update. Only those devices that have "Lifetime map updates" are eligible. (or individual maps can be purchased for those without lifetime maps) Then it verifies and usually updates the software before downloading and installing the new map files. The maps are large files about 1.5 Gb or so. It can take an hour or more to update the map files. I only use this 2 or 3 times a year, so it is not an every day need. I am also now retired, so I don't travel like I used to but I still prefer to keep the GPS maps up to date even for local driving. I also looked at the garmin mobile software that uses Bluetooth but it is only for the garmin fitness devices (which I don't use). My concern is for the NUVI series GPS devices. There is also another way using "mapsource". But I don't think they have the up-to-date maps. Best regards, Roy
Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE?
Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies. Now I know that my question made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar concern with Garmin Express. By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages about installing this on Linux. Most of those discussions were from 2010 ~ 2017. The only solution indicated to work was to install Windows as a guest in a virtual machine. Oracle VirtualBox seems to be the most popular. It is what I have used to evaluate numerous Linux distros until finding those I like the best. Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do this, this and this..." At least that would let me know that it was possible. I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not possible at this time. Either use the Windows-in-VBox or Windows-dual-boot solution. I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since the early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and Google answers most of my questions. Doug- to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what I see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows would do it. It contains a complete file system that looks like a mini-Windows installation. It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at the time it is created. Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version of Windows. This is where the Windows program of concern and all of its supporting components get installed. If you want a more complete explanation please check out the WINE wiki page. So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that they have been able to make it work. Best regards, Roy On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote: Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37: (G-Express needs dotNetframework. That is where I get stuck when trying to install it using WINE.) Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 32-bit Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net --- Floris I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I have wine32.32bit, if that is relevant. Thanx--doug
GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE?
Garmin Express is their proprietary software for updating the maps on Garmin NUVI (and other models) of GPS units. It is available only for Windows and Mac. I currently have it installed on a Win-7 guest in Vbox on Deian- Sid. This works OK but uses a lot of disk space (over 13 Gb). My question is: Has anyone been able to successfully install Garmin Express on Debian using WINE, Play on Linux, Winetricks or perhaps some other translation layer program? I also looked at ReactOS for use in Vbox, but I don't believe it is capable quite yet for newer software like G-Express. (G-Express needs dotNetframework. That is where I get stuck when trying to install it using WINE.) I switched from Windows to Linux about 4 months ago and this GPS map updater is the only reason I still keep Windows available. It may be that I already have the best solution with W-7 in Vbox but just thought I would ask if anyone has a better solution.
Re: Disable/skip/ignore !! Configure the package manager dialog in preseed
On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Ravi Roy wrote: > Hi, > > [!!] Configure the package manager > >Cannot access repository > The repository on xx.xx.xx.xx could not be accessed, so its updates will > not be made available to you at this time. You should investigate it later. > Commented out entries for xx.xx.xx.xx have been add /etc/apt/sources.list > > > > > Does somebody have faced this issue? i did googling but did not get a > workaround/fix for this > > Just want to mention here for reference if somebody face this issue - it can be resolved by adding the following entry into preseed. d-i apt-setup/services-select multiselect Thank you.
