Re (2): Viewing an an OpenStreetMap tile offline.

[peter]

Greg, Richard and all,

From: Richard 
Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 23:02:52 +0200
> I wouldn't even bother trying to get such ancient software up and 
> running. 

Straightforward.  Thanks.

> [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop

Extensive information.  Overwhelming really.

Numerous features, with significance not evident to me.  What is the 
difference between "display" and "renderer"?

I need only a lightweight software to display a map tile on a Debian 
laptop offline.

Editing, 3-D display, routing and other advanced features not 
necessary.

Recommendations?

Thanks,  ... P.

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Viewing an an OpenStreetMap tile offline.

[peter]

Hi, is anyone using Gosm or something similar to view OpenStreetMap 
tiles offline?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gosm

The instructions under "Downloading and running" yield
bash: ./gosm: No such file or directory

"Last Update: 2013-04-26" suggests an ia32 application?

Is there an alternative application?

Multiarch is needed in this 64 bit system?

Other ideas?

Thanks, ... P.


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Note this thread Re: Zoom in the official repo is outdated

[Peter Ehlert]

On April 24, 2024 1:00:29 PM Luiz Romário Santana Rios 
 wrote:



Hello,

(Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)

Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom
meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to
join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the
flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

Sds,

Romário

Re: what keyboard do you use?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/5/24 14:11, Ash Joubert wrote:

On 06/02/2024 04:15, Peter Ehlert wrote:

Logitech K270
full size, simple, $22 USD, fits me just fine


I use a Logitech MK270r 


good tip, packaged with a mouse for $6 more

thanks. I will get that bundle next time

Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Combo which has the same keyboard. 
Full-size standard layout plus media keys, physical power switches on 
both keyboard and mouse. I find the keyboard comfortable and not too 
loud, and the compact mouse suits my smallish hands. I have several of 
these sets for my various work and home computers.


Cheers,

Re: what keyboard do you use?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/2/24 17:25, Lee wrote:

I bought a Dell desktop in 2019 and the keyboard just died :(

ssh in from another machine & do a 'sudo reboot now' and get an alert
about 'Keyboard not found.'  on power up.  The keyboard also doesn't
work in another machine so it's really & truly dead.

I figure there's a high percentage of keyboard jockeys here so ..
which keyboard do you like and why?


Logitech K270

full size, simple, $22 USD, fits me just fine




I have a Logitech k740 attached to my Windows machine which is ok.
Not great but OK.
I found a spare Logitech k120 keyboard in the closet; its better than
nothing but too thick for regular use.
And the old Dell keyboard from the Windows machine - also too thick,
the keys are too cramped and lettering has worn off on about 1/4 of
the keys (which is why I got the Logitech 740)

Thanks
Lee

Re: counting commas

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 19/01/2024 23:02, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 17:25:10 (+), debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

Greg Wooledge  wrote:


I won, and you lost


There shouldn't be a comma in that sentence, in English. There is in
the closely related expression "I won, you lost."


Anything other than this *accurate* statement would have led to a caning 
in my grammar school in the late '40s. :-)


Peter HB


That's rather proscriptive. "I won and you lost." and
"I won, and you lost." are two different sentences.

The first is a more neutral statement of fact. The
second carries an implication of triumphalism or
mockery: many speakers would expect a swoop upwards
in intonation on "won", a pause, and a steep drop
between "you" and "lost"; kinda like:

   -⭜   ·¯⭝

if that works in your font.

What you lose (sorry) in "I won, you lost." is the
anacrusis, the ·, which many would pronounce "ən",
as in ənyeeoo. Without it, I'd be inclined to write
"I won. You lost." (similar intonation).

Disclaimer: my choice of intonation was to illustrate
one difference. There are many more ways of saying
all of those sentences.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Donate money

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/8/24 04:08, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 08.01.2024 um 11:07:30 Uhr schrieb noah poulton:


I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
really want to create one).

There are other ways like IBAN bank transfer:
https://www.debian.org/donations


yes, follow that link!
My bank is set to make recurring donations.
I forget what process I used to set it up, but it was quite simple.

Re: Help: network abuse

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 21/12/2023 15:11, Pocket wrote:

On 12/21/23 09:58, Alain D D Williams wrote:

[cut]



Use a firewall and set it up correctly.

Assuming a residential environment.

Firewall the router and server(s) as well as all the client machines.

I have nginx, dovecot and exim4 and other daemons running on my network 
servers.


Most, (includes many of the ones here) don't have a firewall properly 
configured. Nor do they understand how to properly configure a firewall.


You will still get scanned but there is little you can do about that.

Are you still here? I thought that you had exited in a sulk because some 
of us on this list were fed up with your trolling.


You're black listed on my systems so don't bother responding.

Peter HB

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
suffice.


My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
me, Kudos to webmasters dot com



the Kudos was premature. they provided unclear/wrong instructions.
I said screw it and did "the wrong thing" and expected to loose the 
copious pent-up messages,  but it Did Work. I'm good.
IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?
My question was incomplete.  I should have added that I must have local 
copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge.
--- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my 
only choice. < ---

thanks!


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.
Tbird still sucks in several ways. However the many alternatives suck 
worse in my opinion. Old dogs and all of that.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
filters and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[peter ehlert]

pardon the top posting.
I made a minor change to the security settings that Webmasters omitted 
(or said Not to do) in their documentation for the security upgrades on 
their servers, and it's working again. a couple thousand messages to 
clean and sort, but my will filters do 97% of that.

 I will message their support and help them correct their error.
thanks for listening.
Peter Ehlert

On 11/18/23 09:06, peter ehlert wrote:

damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts!
now using the hateful Gmail...
maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust 
their own email app. Eff Them!


On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
suffice.


My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
me, Kudos to webmasters dot com


IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
filters and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[peter ehlert]

damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts!
now using the hateful Gmail...
maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust 
their own email app. Eff Them!


On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
suffice.


My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
me, Kudos to webmasters dot com


IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
filters and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice.

My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, 
Kudos to webmasters dot com


IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: Password managers

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 10/11/2023 10:32, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:



On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:25 AM Timothy M Butterworth 
<mailto:timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 3:11 AM John Conover mailto:cono...@panix.com>> wrote:

John Darrah writes:
 > On Thu, 2023-11-09 at 16:03 -0800, pa...@quillandmouse.com
<mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
 > > Folks:
 > >
 > > Does anyone know of a password manager which will store a
variety of
 > > user-defined information for each login, and not store that
 > > information
 > > on the internet (and which is free as in beer)?
 > >
 >
 > Take a look at 'secrets' which is a Gnome native app. It uses a
 > database and key file compatible with Password Safe.


I have been looking for a password manager that was as simple and
easy to use as password manager and Secrets is definitely it. Thanks
so much for pointing out this program.


I spoke to soon Password Safe is now available for Linux. 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/files/Linux/1.18.0/ 
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/files/Linux/1.18.0/> I 
used to run Password Safe in Wine. It is so good to see that it has been 
ported to linux.


The Linux port of PasswordSafe has been around for several years: I 
couldn't be without it!


Peter HB

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 26/10/2023 14:39, Hans wrote:

Hi folks,

is there a very easy way, if I want to install packages from trixie oder sid
into my bookworm installation?

I read about apt pinning, but as far as I understood, I have to name
explicitily each package I want to install from sid. This can be much work,
when installing a high number of packages.

I suppose, I then have also to install all dependencies of the packaes from
sid, even if they are related to the system.

In my case I wanted to install virtualbox from sid, as it has all packages
ready. However, virtualbox requires and depends also the newer gcc compiler
and some compiler libs, thus I took distance from installing for now.

At the moment I am not using pinning. My actual way of doing is

1. adding the sid repo into /etc/apt/sources.list

2. then aptitude -u

3. then searching for the required package and mark it as install (or
upgradeble

4. Then install, if wanted.

Yes, I know, pinning would be the better way, but it is very, very seldom, I
need to install something from a higher repo.

And yes, I know, mixing repos is no good idea, so I am using this only for
applications, which are using theire own libraries (or libs, they are only for
this special application).

Do you know another way, except pinning or my (weired) way?

Oh, last but not least, I know, Oracle has its own debian-repo for virtualbox,
but it looks somehow not well set up IMHO.


It works well for me, running Bookworm with several Trixie guests. VBox 
7.0.12 from VirtualBox.org (Oracle, obviously), obtained via a 
"sources.list.d"


Peter HB

Re: udev creates wrong symlink from rule after upgrade to bookworm

[peter]

Hi,

Appears that the failure reported by Karl Schmidt occurred when two 
devices matched the rule.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1040445

Similar erroneous result here with only one matching device.  Details 
below.

Ideas?

Thx,   ... P.

=
In Debian 11.
root@imager:~# cat /etc/deb*ver*
11.8

root@imager:~# head -n 13 /etc/udev/rules.d/10* | tail -n 2
KERNEL=="sd?3", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="60028928", \
  SYMLINK+="AY", OWNER="root", GROUP="root", MODE="700"

root@imager:~# ls -ld /dev/A*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 22 07:00 /dev/AY -> sdb3

# That, ^, is the correct result.

In Debian 12.
root@imager:~# cat /etc/deb*ver*
12.2

root@imager:~# head -n 23 /etc/udev/rules.d/10* | tail -n 2
KERNEL=="sd?3", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="60028928", \ 
  SYMLINK+="A1", OWNER="root", GROUP="root", MODE="700"

root@imager:~# ls -ld /dev/A*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 22 06:53 /dev/A1 -> sda5

# That, ^, is the wrong result.  /dev/sda has no ATTR{size}=="60028928".

Simple tests similar to these reported by Karl and I are likely to 
produce failures in short order.

Failure of salient features impairs the appeal of Debian.  With 
removable storage routinely depending upon udev, successful operation 
really should be verified before a new Debian is released.

Regards,   ... Peter E.

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Re: Web functionality;

[peter]

From: 
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:39:20 +0100
> I do disagree with much of what the Mozilla foundation does, and at
> the end, they see the world through ad-industry coloured goggles, but
> they are the last credible ditch we have.

Considering how minimal Dillo is, it has worthwhile capability.  I 
wonder why addition of JavaScript isn't mentioned.  I don't mean
compete with Firefox.  Just display fewer blank windows and allow some 
commonly occuring gizmos to work.

> You thought the situation with Microsoft and computing in the 1980s
> and 1990s was grotesque? It's much, much worse these days. The 
> difference is that the monopoly watchdogs are fast asleep at the 
> wheel these days.

For sure ...  

... but even dinosaurs weren't invincible.

In many areas, Europe is more progressive than N. Am.  Any encouraging 
developments there?

Thx,  ... P.

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Re: Help ! libvirt

[Peter Krempa]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 10:50:07 +0100, Bhasker C V wrote:
> Attaching win11.xml
> Please note that this used to work fine. It is failing now on libvirt-
> 9.7.0-1
> 
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:13 AM Peter Krempa  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 09:05:43 +0100, Bhasker C V wrote:
> > > Adding libvirt mailing list
> > > apologies for cross-posting
> > > libvirt version: 9.7.0-1
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39 AM john doe  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 9/21/23 09:32, Bhasker C V wrote:
> > > > > I am getting an error with libivrt when I create a VM
> > > > >
> > > > > ```
> > > > >   $ sudo virsh create ./win11.xml
> >
> > Please attach the XML used here. It comes from a code path which
> > shouldn't be possible to reach.
> >
> > > > > error: Failed to create domain from ./win11.xml
> > > > > error: internal error: mishandled storage format 'none'
> > > > >
> > > > > ```
> > > > >
> > > > > This is after I have done a dist-upgrade (was working fine before)
> > > > > debian trixie.
> >
> > Which version did you have before?
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > error message says
> > > > > qemuBlockStorageSourceGetBlockdevFormatProps:1227 : internal error:
> > > > > mishandled storage format 'none'
> >
> >

>   destroy
>   restart
>   destroy
>   
> 
> 
>   
>   
> /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 

Could you please also attach the output of:

  qemu-img info --backing-chain '/var/virt/WINDOWS/WIN11'


> 
>   
>   
> 
>   
>   
> 

In the definition I don't see anything that would hint that anything
with the disk config is broken, for qcow2 volumes we do auto-detection
of backing images, thus the request for the output of the command above.

Re: Help ! libvirt

[Peter Krempa]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 09:05:43 +0100, Bhasker C V wrote:
> Adding libvirt mailing list
> apologies for cross-posting
> libvirt version: 9.7.0-1
> 
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39 AM john doe  wrote:
> 
> > On 9/21/23 09:32, Bhasker C V wrote:
> > > I am getting an error with libivrt when I create a VM
> > >
> > > ```
> > >   $ sudo virsh create ./win11.xml

Please attach the XML used here. It comes from a code path which
shouldn't be possible to reach.

> > > error: Failed to create domain from ./win11.xml
> > > error: internal error: mishandled storage format 'none'
> > >
> > > ```
> > >
> > > This is after I have done a dist-upgrade (was working fine before)
> > > debian trixie.

Which version did you have before?

> > >
> > > error message says
> > > qemuBlockStorageSourceGetBlockdevFormatProps:1227 : internal error:
> > > mishandled storage format 'none'

Re: Please verify Gnome and KDE wiki articles for correctness

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/26/23 06:17, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 8/25/23 13:22, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 01:17:25PM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I'm a Mate user, and I never thought to read
https://wiki.debian.org/MATE
until now.
I see no flaws but there are several things that should be updated since
it's last edit on December 24,2019
Who does that?

You do.  That's what a wiki is.


"Account creation failed: Automatic account creation disabled to stop 
spammers signing up. Please contact w...@debian.org and describe what 
you want to do in the wiki. Please contact us in English, otherwise we 
will have to pass your message to online translation services.."


I sent the requested email, I will wait and see


I got a rapid reply from Steve McIntyre and have my new account created.

Re: Please verify Gnome and KDE wiki articles for correctness

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/25/23 13:22, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 01:17:25PM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I'm a Mate user, and I never thought to read
https://wiki.debian.org/MATE
until now.
I see no flaws but there are several things that should be updated since
it's last edit on December 24,2019
Who does that?

You do.  That's what a wiki is.


"Account creation failed: Automatic account creation disabled to stop 
spammers signing up. Please contact w...@debian.org and describe what 
you want to do in the wiki. Please contact us in English, otherwise we 
will have to pass your message to online translation services.."


I sent the requested email, I will wait and see

Re: Please verify Gnome and KDE wiki articles for correctness

[Peter Ehlert]

On August 25, 2023 12:49:44 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:


On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 01:26:29PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Two of the wiki articles that will help with a migration to Debian are
 and .

It would be helpful if folks with Gnome and KDE experience would look
over the articles and provide corrections and updates.


You're kinda asking the wrong crowd.  A significant portion of the
active posters on this mailing list use neither of those things.

Probably true, but maybe there are a couple here.



This probably explains the state of the wiki pages as well, if one
assumes that the users of this list correlate with the wiki editors
to a certain degree, at least in terms of desktop choices.

I'm a Mate user, and I never thought to read
https://wiki.debian.org/MATE
until now.
I see no flaws but there are several things that should be updated since 
it's last edit on December 24,2019

Who does that?

Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/15/23 19:20, Max Nikulin wrote:

On 15/08/2023 23:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.


I think, Thunderbird will be upgraded to version 115 soon in Debian 
stable. Major changes of default UI have been announced. 


We got 115 in Sid a couple days ago.

"lipstick on a pig" comes to mind

I have not tried it, so I can not say it is really more convenient or 
not. It is possible to switch to current UI style, but I am unsure if 
any bugs will be fixed. 
there was a Zoom meeting hosted by the Thunderbird guys... I sat in and 
asked a couple questions... They were very clear that 115 is cosmetic 
only and does not address anything else.
They did acknowledge the problem with the massive .msf file problem. 
they had no idea if/when that may be corrected
Just a warning for those who are sensitive to changes of UI. From my 
point of view traditional UI of Thunderbird may be improved, but I am 
unsure that particular issues are addressed in new UI.

Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/15/23 12:13, Bret Busby wrote:

On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
filters and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.



I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts.

I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or 
two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month.


I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a 
hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day.


My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, 
over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or 
roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each 
month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left 
after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, 
using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, 
alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, 
is done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a 
couple of hundred different field values. I have several hundred or 
more, folders, for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders 
being archived on a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of 
messages in each folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for 
alpine), is somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 
20 years old.


Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is 
hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers 
queries on the list.


Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two 
unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different 
priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by 
volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its 
developers. 


Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to 
adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military 
intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito 
in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird 
organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not 
provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing 
support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email 
applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at 
using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms 
with the use of email).

I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic.


Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer 
of alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers 
development suggestions) made on that list.


So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward...

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. 
Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re (2): Time stamps on sessions on a DVD backup.

[peter]

From: "Thomas Schmitt" 
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 00:08:23 +0200
> You would have to load each session and inquire it:

OK, thanks.

> Having an id for the backup script makes it possible to ensure that the
> script is not applied to the medium of a different backup script.

Good, thanks, ... P.



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Time stamps on sessions on a DVD backup.

[peter]

Hello again,

Here a session of a backup archive is written to a DVD.

xorriso -for_backup -dev /dev/sr0 \
  -update_r . / \
  -commit \
  -toc -check_md5 failure -- \
  -eject all
 
This command gives the contents of a DVD.
  xorriso -dev /dev/sr0 -toc

TOC layout   : Idx ,  sbsector ,   Size , Volume Id
ISO session  :   1 , 0 ,678303s , ISOIMAGE
ISO session  :   2 ,716368 , 13376s , ISOIMAGE
ISO session  :   3 ,737600 ,816699s , ISOIMAGE
  ...

Session time stamps would help when recovering from a 
storage failure.  Eg.

DateTOC layout   : Idx ,  sbsector ,   Size , Volume Id
2023-07-23  ISO session  :   1 , 0 ,678303s , ISOIMAGE
2023-07-29  ISO session  :   2 ,716368 , 13376s , ISOIMAGE
2023-08-06  ISO session  :   3 ,737600 ,816699s , ISOIMAGE

Can the current xorriso include session timestamps?  In the manual I 
see file timestamps mentioned.  Not session timestamps.

Thx,   ... P.

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Re: Crosshairs in gimp 2.10.22 in Debian 11.7.

[peter]

From: Dan Ritter 
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 06:44:05 -0400
> Not by default. 

If someone finds an add-on providing lines intersecting at the 
hotpoint, a link will help.  Thanks.

> What you do get is an indicator triangle on the left and top rulers 
> that follows the cursor.

OK, thanks. With a line being more than one point, the ruler points 
don't answer the requirement.

Thanks for the reply,  ... P.


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Crosshairs in gimp 2.10.22 in Debian 11.7.

[peter]

I've retrieved 'Gregs Crosshairs.scm.zip' and unzipped to
/home/me/.config/GIMP/2.10/scripts/GregsCrosshairs.scm.

If an image is open, Image > Guides gives a menu with four options.
New guide (by Percent)...
New guide...
New Guides from Selection
Remove all Guides

"New guide" allows creation of a horizontal or vertical dashed line 
at a specified fixed location.

Can gimp have window sized crosshairs?  Ie. horizontal and vertical 
lines intersecting at the mouse pointer hotpoint.

Thanks,... P.



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Re: Lost HDMI monitor connection

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 18/07/2023 12:00, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

On 17/07/2023 20:29, riveravaldez wrote:

On 7/17/23, Peter Hillier-Brook  wrote:

I recently upgraded 2 laptops from Bullseye to Bookworm and no longer
have access to my external monitor from one of them.

My environment consists of a couple of laptops connected to an external
monitor via an HDMI Switch that, until the upgrades, gave excellent
service. The only diagnostic I have is that, from the failing m/c, the
monitor reports that there is no HDMI signal from that computer.

Any thoughts will be welcomed.


Hi, just in case: what's the output of:

$ xrandr

, with everything turned on and connected?


Interesting thought, but no answer. The only output is the internal 
monitor and a disconnected VGA port. HDMI is missing in action.


As it was working until the reboot into Bookworm, I think the 
possibility of a hardware failure at that precise instant is somewhat 
remote, but...


My next step is to find a Live, pre-Bookworm CD and see what happens. 
The reason I posted here was to establish if anyone else has encountered 
this issue and found a solution.


It seems that it must be a hardware failure. A Bullseye live system 
exhibits the same missing HDMI signal and swapping the HDMI cables 
eliminated that as a possibility.


Over and out.

Peter HB

Re: Lost HDMI monitor connection

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/07/2023 20:29, riveravaldez wrote:

On 7/17/23, Peter Hillier-Brook  wrote:

I recently upgraded 2 laptops from Bullseye to Bookworm and no longer
have access to my external monitor from one of them.

My environment consists of a couple of laptops connected to an external
monitor via an HDMI Switch that, until the upgrades, gave excellent
service. The only diagnostic I have is that, from the failing m/c, the
monitor reports that there is no HDMI signal from that computer.

Any thoughts will be welcomed.


Hi, just in case: what's the output of:

$ xrandr

, with everything turned on and connected?


Interesting thought, but no answer. The only output is the internal 
monitor and a disconnected VGA port. HDMI is missing in action.


As it was working until the reboot into Bookworm, I think the 
possibility of a hardware failure at that precise instant is somewhat 
remote, but...


My next step is to find a Live, pre-Bookworm CD and see what happens. 
The reason I posted here was to establish if anyone else has encountered 
this issue and found a solution.


Peter HB

Lost HDMI monitor connection

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

I recently upgraded 2 laptops from Bullseye to Bookworm and no longer 
have access to my external monitor from one of them.


My environment consists of a couple of laptops connected to an external 
monitor via an HDMI Switch that, until the upgrades, gave excellent 
service. The only diagnostic I have is that, from the failing m/c, the 
monitor reports that there is no HDMI signal from that computer.


Any thoughts will be welcomed.

Peter HB

Re: Upgrade to Debian 11 and still have the same problems.

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 17/07/2023 15:58, Default User wrote:

On Sun, 2023-07-16 at 17:21 -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

So I have been snooping around the system and found this message in
the lshw command:
  *-generic DISABLED
  description: Wireless interface
  product: RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
  vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
  physical id: 0
  bus info: pci@:02:00.0
  logical name: wlp2s0
  version: ff
  serial: 3e:c2:77:77:6a:31
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 66MHz
  capabilities: bus_master vga_palette cap_list ethernet physical
wireless
  configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtw_8821ce driverversion=5.10.0-
23-amd64 firmware=N/A latency=255 link=no maxlatency=255 mingnt=255
multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
  resources: irq:129 ioport:d000(size=256) memory:df00-df00

Could this be part of the problem.  I have no wifi so that is part of
the problem.  This is Disabled so how do I enable it?
Thank you guys for being patient with this old lady..
Moe
  
  




Hi, Maureen!

I don't mean to butt in, but just wanted to give you some
reassurance/encouragement.  The wireless adapter you have certainly
should work (barring a hardware problem).  I have the same exact one,
and it works fine!

I am running Debian 12 (Bookworm) now, but the setup was upgraded in
2023-06 from Debian 11 (Bullseye).  It worked fine on Debian 11
(Bullseye), at least under Debian 11.6.


From my current setup:


lshw:
. . .
  *-network DISABLED
 description: Wireless interface
 product: RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network
Adapter
 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 physical id: 0
 bus info: pci@:02:00.0
 logical name: wlp2s0
 version: 00
 serial: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
ethernet physical wireless
 configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtw_8821ce
driverversion=6.1.0-10-amd64 firmware=N/A latency=0 link=no
multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
 resources: irq:135 ioport:3000(size=256)
memory:7080-7080
. . .

from lsmod:
. . .
rtw88_8821c90112  1 rtw88_8821ce
rtw88_pci  28672  1 rtw88_8821ce
. . .
rtw88_core192512  2 rtw88_pci,rtw88_8821c
. . .

And firmware-realtek is installed.


From sudo aptitude show firmware-realtek:

Package: firmware-realtek
Version: 20230210-5
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Multi-Arch: foreign
Priority: optional
Section: non-free-firmware/kernel
Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team 
Architecture: all
Uncompressed Size: 7,046 k
Suggests: initramfs-tools
Description: Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters
  This package contains the binary firmware for Realtek Ethernet, wifi
and Bluetooth adapters
  supported by various drivers.
  
  Contents:

. . .
* Realtek RTL8821C Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8821c_config.bin,
rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8821C Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8821c_fw.bin)
. . .

However, I am puzzled as to why aptitude says firmware-realtek is:
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
since I never installed it manually, the wireless adapter just worked
"right out of the box".

Note: Debian 11 was originally installed using using the Debian 11.6
"nonfree" iso.

Hope this helps. Otherwise, feel free to disregard.

For what it's worth, I lost my wifi connection (via a USB Realtek 
adaptor) a couple of days ago and finally woke up enough to swap the USB 
adaptor to another USB port. So no diagnosis, but it works. Maybe this 
will do the same for you, Maureen. Oh! and I re-installed the 
realtek-firmware package, but I suspect that is a red herring.


Peter HB

Re: Partial Freeze Bullseye Mat

[Peter Ehlert]

On July 15, 2023 10:27:51 AM songbird  wrote:


Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 7/14/23 10:49, songbird wrote:

if you use journalctl -f to watch what is happening
does anything show up?


good thought, thanks.
at the moment I see only this:

peter@z840x:~$ journalctl -f
Hint: You are currently not seeing messages from other users and the system.
 Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages.
 Pass -q to turn off this notice.
Jul 15 05:15:01 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:02 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:02 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:09 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:09 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:10 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:10 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:19 z840x systemd[1873]: Reached target printer.target -
Printer.
Jul 15 06:23:17 z840x dbus-daemon[1902]: [session uid=1000 pid=1902]
Activating service name='org.freedesktop.Notifications' requested by
':1.68' (uid=1000 pid=2761 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/syncthing-gtk")
Jul 15 06:23:17 z840x dbus-daemon[1902]: [session uid=1000 pid=1902]
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Notifications'

===


 if you run the journalctl -f as root you'll see
everything and not just for the user.


Thanks, understood


 otherwise, yes, agree with you at this point it is
a hardware issue.

 one thing i do like about desktops and make sure of
is that there are enough spare USB headers so i can
plug in more replaceable ports instead of using the
hard soldered ones for things i will plug and unplug
often.
I will get into the nuts and bolts a bit later. Fortunately this is not a 
fatal flaw, yet.

Backups I have, lots of them, on other machines.
Thanks for the encouragement


 songbird

Re: Partial Freeze Bullseye Mate

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/14/23 09:07, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 7/14/23 08:46, piorunz wrote:

On 14/07/2023 15:40, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I am using a KVM switch. when I flip over to either of the two other
computers the mouse and keyboard works as normal.


This is most likely a cause of your malfunction. Not the system, not CPU
heat, but KVM device.
Thanks: most likely you are correct, that occurred to me moments after 
I pushed Send.


a couple weeks ago I did change to another KVM switch (new) and 
everything seemed to be better, until now.


however I did not replace the USB cable, access is a bit difficult.
If/when it happens again I will change the cable and use another USB 
port on the computer


Update: this morning it went off again.
first I replaced the USB cable, no change
then I replaced the KVM switch, no change
in the process I swapped around the 4 USB cables with the 6 ports on the 
back ...


hot-swapping gives weird results. sometimes Everything works, sometimes 
I get only Partial mouse response. Right click works, but several 
windows would not respond. That astounds me.


continuing to fiddle, it seems I am getting bad connections in some 
ports, but not consistent


I think I will shutdown, pull the box, and see what I can do to clean 
the ports... I am _guessing_ this is a Hardware Issue.




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Re: Partial Freeze Bullseye Mat

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/14/23 10:49, songbird wrote:

   if you use journalctl -f to watch what is happening
does anything show up?


good thought, thanks.
at the moment I see only this:

peter@z840x:~$ journalctl -f
Hint: You are currently not seeing messages from other users and the system.
  Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages.
  Pass -q to turn off this notice.
Jul 15 05:15:01 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion 
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location 
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:02 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion 
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:02 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion 
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location 
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:09 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion 
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:09 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion 
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location 
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:10 z840x clock-applet[2507]: weather_info_abort: assertion 
'info != NULL' failed
Jul 15 05:15:10 z840x clock-applet[2507]: _weather_info_fill: assertion 
'((info == NULL) && (location != NULL)) || ((info != NULL) && (location 
== NULL))' failed
Jul 15 05:15:19 z840x systemd[1873]: Reached target printer.target - 
Printer.
Jul 15 06:23:17 z840x dbus-daemon[1902]: [session uid=1000 pid=1902] 
Activating service name='org.freedesktop.Notifications' requested by 
':1.68' (uid=1000 pid=2761 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/syncthing-gtk")
Jul 15 06:23:17 z840x dbus-daemon[1902]: [session uid=1000 pid=1902] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Notifications'


===

without mouse/keyboard access I can not run it




   often when i get pauses from USB devices they will
show up as errors, device disconnects and reconnects
and/or resetting the device.


   songbird

Re: General question regarding SSD and harddrive

[Peter Ehlert]

On July 14, 2023 5:30:34 PM Maureen L Thomas  wrote:
So I have been looking at new computers and most of them come with SSD's 
but they are so much smaller than my 2 TB computer that I am not sure what 
is better.  I read a couple of pieces on different groups but still am not 
sure.  SSD's are faster but them have a quarter of the room for storage.  I 
don't use my machine for basic stuff and am not a heavy gamer.  Any advice 
about this would be greatly appreciated.



Moe

Is your new computer going to be a laptop?
SSD is cooler, uses less power, and is nearly shock proof. Much better in 
those respects.


Desktop use I would use HDD.

Re: Partial Freeze Bullseye Mat

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/14/23 08:46, piorunz wrote:

On 14/07/2023 15:40, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I am using a KVM switch. when I flip over to either of the two other
computers the mouse and keyboard works as normal.


This is most likely a cause of your malfunction. Not the system, not CPU
heat, but KVM device.
Thanks: most likely you are correct, that occurred to me moments after I 
pushed Send.


a couple weeks ago I did change to another KVM switch (new) and 
everything seemed to be better, until now.


however I did not replace the USB cable, access is a bit difficult.
If/when it happens again I will change the cable and use another USB 
port on the computer




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Partial Freeze Bullseye Mat

[Peter Ehlert]

Partial Freeze Bullseye Mate
on occasion while the system is in use, the keyboard and mouse stop 
responding.
in all other respects it appears to continue operating as normal, my 
conky shows activity, etc.

Keyboard and Mouse use a single USB gizmo.
I am using a KVM switch. when I flip over to either of the two other 
computers the mouse and keyboard works as normal.


if I momentarily touch the power button it gives the normal 60 second 
shutdown dialog display and then the splash screen dialog appears normal.


restart and no errors displayed.

this Was intermittent, but the last couple days it's frequent.
I have mate-sensors-applet running on a side panel, it does not indicate 
excessive heat

Re: Monitor Problem

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 05/07/2023 13:42, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


On 7/5/2023 8:24 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

i wrote:

I assume that it is a DVD because of:
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1038440
  "debian-cd: debian-12.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso is too big for a CD"

I forgot to assume that the ISO would be for i386.
This netinst ISO version still fits on "700 MB" CDs.
   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/
says "673M" as size.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


Thanks for thr reply.

Until the unfortunate error 'out of range, which started this threadk, 
the CD/DVD drive had been working.

The iso is Debian-1.0.0-amd64-netist.iso and the sha523sum mathced.

What would ce the effect of updating the BIOS?

Debian-1??? Pontius still hadn't got his wings when that version 
appeared. :-)

Thunderbird Beta

[Peter Ehlert]

Thunderbird is going through some front end changes, mostly cosmetic I 
believe.
Question: what are the chances that the New version (115.x), after the 
TBird beta is finished, will be in the Debian Stable repos?

TP Link TL-WN722N adapter & ath9k-htc driver.

[peter]

Hi,

An old Sharp Mebius here has 32 bit bullseye.

When booting, this message appears.
ath9k_htc: Device endpoint numbers are not the expected ones

In a console, these.

$ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

$ ip link show
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode 
DEFAULT group debault qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: enp0s18:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
link/ether 00:40:d0:1b:01:6a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

$ lsmod | grep ath9k
ath9k_htc  61440  0
ath9k_common   16384  1 ath9k_htc
ath9k_hw  421888  2 ath9k_htc,ath9k_common

Can anyone explain "Device endpoint numbers are not the expected ones"?
Other ideas?

Thanks, ... P.

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Re: give us a clue

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/11/23 10:23, mick.crane wrote:

On 2023-06-11 17:53, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On June 11, 2023 9:05:13 AM "mick.crane"  wrote:


Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the
freeware.


Unless this was in the last 24 hours I'm pretty sure you were not
using Bookworm.

Which exact ISO did you use?


This did not automagically cause the trackpad and keyboard to work.
I could only proceed through the installation with a USB mouse and
keyboard.
A laptop might be handy if anybody got the keyboard and trackpad to
work.
and could indicate what to do.
mick


I used firmware-bookworm-DI-alpha1-amd64-DVD-1.iso on a USB stick


I suggest you try again with the new Debian 12 ISO.

there have been significant improvements since the Alpha stage.

best of luck

and previously bookworm alpha "something or other" which is on a CD 
and I've not got the iso to report the exact name..

The keyboard and mouse respond in the BIOS menu.
mick

Re: give us a clue

[Peter Ehlert]

On June 11, 2023 9:05:13 AM "mick.crane"  wrote:


Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the
freeware.


Unless this was in the last 24 hours I'm pretty sure you were not using 
Bookworm.


Which exact ISO did you use?


This did not automagically cause the trackpad and keyboard to work.
I could only proceed through the installation with a USB mouse and
keyboard.
A laptop might be handy if anybody got the keyboard and trackpad to
work.
and could indicate what to do.
mick

Re: Debian home page -> Download link broken:

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/10/23 14:51, David Christensen wrote:

debian-user:

$ date
Sat Jun 10 14:50:40 PDT 2023


The "Download" link on the Debian home page is currently broken:

https://www.debian.org/

-> Download


https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso 





404 Not Found

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.

Apache/2.4.55 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 
443




David



have a little patience
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=773925#p773925

Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/8/23 11:36, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB
stick.  (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and
so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.)  At the boot I press F9 and a menu
appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all
booting instead into Windows 11.  In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but
nothing.  Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks.

Rodolfo


(after reading the other comments)

I recently had a similar issue with a HP 840G3 laptop

after editing the BIOS to disable secure boot and setting the boot order 
no joy.


I discovered that holding down F9 and then pressing the power button it 
goes directly into BIOS boot menu.

THEN selecting the USB drive from the list it works.


maybe your laptop has some such direct boot path option
best of luck

Re: Debian USB Wifi

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 06/06/2023 13:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 07:57:38AM -0400, Celejar wrote:

[...]


I know that the subject mentions USB, but I was responding to Stefan's
statement regarding "USB or otherwise." He's basically correct, of
course, that there are *virtually* no modern WiFi cards of any sort
that are supported by totally free drivers / firmware, but there are
apparently at least a few that do support 11ac (I'm not sure if there
are any at all that support 11ax).


No first hand experience, mind you -- but this is what my trusty
search engine finds:

   https://www.phoronix.com/news/Realtek-802.11ax-rtw89

TL;DR Realtek contributed a free software driver for the kernel, rtw89,
which was supposed to support Realtek's 11ax line. and aimed at kernel
5.16.


For what it's worth, this thread provoked me to pop along to Amazon and 
buy a TP-Link TL-WN823N for evaluation. It has Realtek internals and 
worked straight out of the box (Debian 11 with kernel 5.10.179.1). Of 
course I had to fetch the appropriate Realtek driver with Synaptic and 
re-boot, but hey, 5 minutes after the Amazon delivery I was up and running.


Peter HB

Re: pan nntp via stunnel.

[peter]

From: Jeffrey Walton 
Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 18:14:11 -0400
> I _think_ you are using Pan in client mode. That is, simply as a reader. 

Correct.

> Stunnel makes the request to the NNTP server using TLS. 
> So you don't need the server stuff, like a X.509 certificate.

Thanks, I deleted priv.pem and stunnel.pem.

Pan configuration has settings for TLS.  So pan has TLS integrated and 
stunnel is unnecessary and wiki.debian.org/Pan needs updating?

Pan opens the list for sci.electonics repair.  A screenshot of the 
heading of a a reply I composed, is here. 
http://easthope.ca/PanReply.png

Files > Send Article gave a dialogue box reporting 
"There were problems with this post. 
Error: Bad email address. 
Go Back  |  Continue Anyway"

The only email address visible is mine and it's correct. What bad 
email address?

Thanks,... P.

- 
mobile: +1 778 951 5147
VoIP:   +1 604 670 0140

Re: UUIDS

[Peter Ehlert]

On May 27, 2023 4:37:20 PM PDT, "mick.crane"  wrote:
>I'm sure it used to be that you could swap linux discs between PCs and it 
>would sort itself out
Yes, it still works like that. I do it frequently.
 but I try swapping disks about and booting and they complain
>"Cannot find UUID..lots of identifying numbers"
>and gives intramfs prompt.

My guess is that the system was originally spread out on multiple disk drives.
Fstab has links to partitions that are not at the same location.

>Am I supposed to be able to sort it out from there?
>like how?
Review fstab and see what the links are, and remark out (#) the suspect and try 
again.
Best of luck 爛
>mick
>
>

pan nntp via stunnel.

[peter]

Hi,

https://wiki.debian.org/Pan states,

" ... to generate a RSA Private Key
#openssl genrsa -out priv.pem

Generate Certificate
#openssl req -new -x509 -key priv.pem -out stunnel.pem -days 1095"

No problem.  I put the two files in /etc/stunnel/.

Then, 
"combine priv.pem with stunnel.pem"

What is meant by combine?  Is there a syntax to put the private and 
public keys in one file?

Thanks,   ... P.




- 
mobile: +1 778 951 5147
VoIP:   +1 604 670 0140

os-prober Just a Rant

[Peter Ehlert]

updates cause my edits to be overwritten... that sucks

# If your computer has multiple operating systems installed, then you
# probably want to run os-prober. However, if your computer is a host
# for guest OSes installed via LVM or raw disk devices, running
# os-prober can cause damage to those guest OSes as it mounts
# filesystems to look for things.
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false

perhaps someone should fix that other crap and leave us normal people alone

end of rant

Re: NEW problem PANIC AW: SOLUTION AW: EPSON ...

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 18/05/2023 09:34, CL wrote:

Hello,

first I have to apologies for being a little bit rude within the next 
sentences.


BUT STOP this stupid conversation.

It is quite clear that this is one of following things

1. Stupid freaking AI
2. Psycho test
3. Troll


You missed: 4. Child playing with Daddy's computer.


So

@Sophie or Michal Schwibinger or what ever your name is
please stop this

It is far away from being funny or helpful

It is boring, stupid and annoying

One reason of this community is to help each other. But what you make is 
questioning our all intelligence and also competences. And this freaks 
me out a little bit.


Again please stop this

Thank you in advance




--
mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards

**Christian Lorenz**

mailto:cl.debian.mail...@t-online.de
--

Re: how to create bootable usb stick from iso file

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 18/05/2023 12:33, Bret Busby wrote:

On 18/5/23 11:44, hlyg wrote:
in debian, it is as easy as copying iso file to usb device (/dev/sdx), 
run sync to be safe


does this method work for other iso file?

http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso

i can't boot it created this way. what's wrong with it? Thanks!


You might want to read
https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/friday_foss_fest/

I have a 32GB USB "thumbdrive", on which, I have had up to 10 different 
operating systems  - various Linux distributions and versions, GhostBSD 
and MidnightBSD, and the MS Windows 10 iso .


Once the drive is configured with Ventoy, it is a simple matter of 
copying a downloaded bootable iso file to the drive, then, using the 
Ventoy drive to boot.


I wish it was less of a test of my patience! Every time I copy an iso to 
Ventoy the result is the  *contents * of the iso. It would be a very 
useful tool if it did what it says on the box :-)


Peter HB


Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/23/23 05:52, Peter Ehlert wrote:



On 4/17/23 21:43, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 17 Apr 2023 at 08:47:30 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 4/16/23 09:29, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 16 Apr 2023 at 07:19:18 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 07:03:41 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

I ran rc1 in my usual manner, and the only difference I noticed was
the one extra question about non-free firmware, to which I replied
yes. (There may well be improvements under the hood, so to speak.)
Oh, and the initrd is somewhat larger, as per usual.


using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition

I assume Legacy means BIOS booting. Same here, but only one disk.

correct. different term, same thing. Not UEFI

graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

Non-graphical here, a suitable partition existed, and only
standard and SSH server software was installed.


WiFi firmware:

Untested as this machine is a 2006-vintage mini-tower lacking wifi.

[ snipped narrative of later network-switching ]


Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub
partition was highlighted

I can't recall seeing anything other than the first item highlighted,
ie "Enter device manually", at least with the non-graphical installer
in expert mode. I selected the (sole) hard drive, item 2. The only
remaining item was the USB stick containing the installer ISO.

As expected nowadays, when the machine rebooted, the Grub menu
had only two lines, both pointing to the newly installed system.
(I hadn't made any attempt to counteract GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
during my installation.) So Grub was correctly installed in the
MBR, and the rest of Grub occupied d400 bytes of /dev/sda1 (the
3MB BIOS boot partition on the single disk).


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.
GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.

How did you determine that it was the previous menu. Wouldn't it look
just the same?

I enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER so that the various other operating
systems are shown
if the new GRUB is properly installed I get the "new" one item only
GRUB display.
then when I boot the new OS I again enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and
update GRUB

*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde &&
update-grub
then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

So you installed Grub on /dev/sde.


Which method did you use to boot the "default" system (which I assume
is bullseye, in a different partition on one or other of the disks),
in view of the rather sparse menu from grub.cfg on the new system?

I boot with the "old" GRUB menu as explained above...it has Several
operating systems listed, my old default OS is still at the top of the
list.

back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Presumably we are now back to talking about Grub.

If you still have access to the bookworm system, you can check whether
it claimed to have completed installing Grub successfully. You should
see lines like:

 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sda'
 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support --no-floppy
 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install  --force 
"/dev/sda"
 grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
 grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
 grub-installer: info: grub-install ran successfully

in /var/log/installer/syslog.

Thanks, I did not know where to look or what to look for.

I've tidied these lines:


===
Apr  5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for
/dev/sdb12: gpt
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sdb'
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support
--no-floppy
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target
grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb"
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: this GPT
partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be
possible.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: Embedding is
not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using
blocklists.  However, blocklist

Alternative to port 25 for SMTP submission.

[peter]

Until exim connects to the smarthost with implicit TLS, I think of
having a non-TLS MUA send messages to the smarthost directly through
the stunnel tunnel.  As mentioned a few days ago, the analogue for
POP3 works with no difficulty.

If I try to remove exim, the system will complain about absence of
MTA.  So I think of leaving exim installed. It uses port 25 for local
submission.

What port is suggested for submission through the tunnel? Any unused
port in the dynamic, private and ephemeral range? Eg. 49160?

Thx,   ... P.

Re: Starting stunnel with systemd.

[peter]

In-reply-to: 

References: <897c4593eca5f214cddd3d8af000c...@easthope.ca> 



Jeffrey & all,

Thanks for the replies.

From: Jeffrey Walton 
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:50:50 -0400

how quickly did you restart the service?


Aiming to have the stunnel tunnel available after cold boot.
Restarting shouldn't be necessary.  Correct?


Is the the socket in use because it is lingering?


From cold boot the socket should be available.  If command
stunnel is given interactively the socket is available.


Second, what does the stunnel.conf look like?


$ cat /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf
; imager:/etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf
; Example SSL client mode services

[pop3]
client = yes
accept = localhost:110
;connect = hornby.islandhosting.com:995
connect = mail.easthope.ca:995


The man page says REUSEADDR=no is the default
(https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/stunnel4.8.html):

socket = a:SO_REUSEADDR=no (enabled by default)


Not significant with cold boot.  Correct?

I appreciate the replies.  Currently I start stunnel after root login
with command "stunnel" in ~/.profile.  Relying on that until a better
answer surfaces.

Thx, ... P.

Re: Starting stunnel with systemd.

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References: <6c1ca55212823a1bb3c87df7cd731...@easthope.ca> 



From: David Wright 
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 08:01:34 -0500

Perhaps it would help for you to explain how you're starting it
successfully, in order to see whether there's something you do
that doesn't translate to running it automatically.


For running POP3 through the tunnel both of these are effective.
(1) As root give the command "stunnel".
(2) As root give the command "stunnel /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf".

Until something better surfaces, this line in /home/root/.profile
yields automatic startup from root login.
stunnel

Thx,... P.

Re: is it imminent that bookworm becomes stable?

[Peter Ehlert]

On April 24, 2023 4:39:47 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:


On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 05:52:55AM +0800, hl wrote:

i always use stable, Thanks!


You're welcome!

And that was the entire body of your email, so that's all you had to
say, yes?

...

Please do not put important details exclusively in the Subject: header
of your email.  The purpose of a Subject: header is to allow people to
find your messages in the list archives later on, if they have a similar
problem and want to find past solutions.

Now that you have been properly scolded.
...
Weekend of June 10



Your question appears to be "What's the timeline for bookworm's release?"

We have the following resources:

* https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBookworm
* https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html

Both of these pages tell us that the final freeze date is not yet
determined.

Re: Starting stunnel with systemd.

[peter]

In-reply-to: <0a2de6ba-15a9-0b01-50f1-b75ad750f...@darac.org.uk>
References: <897c4593eca5f214cddd3d8af000c...@easthope.ca> 
<0a2de6ba-15a9-0b01-50f1-b75ad750f...@darac.org.uk>


From: Darac Marjal 
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 19:09:16 +0100

1. stunnel hasn't been in Debian since etch (Debian 4.0).


Thanks for catching that.


2. stunnel4 comes with a service file template
(https://sources.debian.org/src/stunnel4/3%3A5.68-2/debian/stunnel4%40.stunnel.service/),
which is likely to have been tested to work.


Thanks.  Adjusted  /etc/systemd/system/stunnel.service accordingly.
For anyone else interested, PrivateTmp is described in the
systemd.exec(5) manual.
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html

The template might work exactly when no authentication is involved.


3. Could the warning about protecting your POP3 connection be the
cause?


Appears likely.  My intention is that stunnel provides a tunnel in
which POP3 can operate securely. When stunnel is started
interactively, no problem is evident and the MUA authenticates in POP3
inside the tunnel.

The systemd.exec manual cited above has a Credentials section.
Intrigued to study more when I have time.  =8~)

Thx,   ... P.

Re: Gnome desktop environment

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/22/23 17:12, Jeremy Ardley wrote:



On 23/4/23 04:49, Peter Ehlert wrote:




Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop".


When you select a desktop install with standard Debian you don't have 
lot of control over what is installed. And that's even with an 
advanced install.


I assume you are seeing a list of desktops to select from during the 
install...


"standard Debian" (or whatever it's called) is kinda Gnome Lite.
it's automatically selected = uncheck that box!

Personally I use only Mate but it's riddled with Gnome components that 
I can't easily remove. For instance the Gnome NetworkManager widget is 
installed despite me not using NetworkManager and I can't find a way 
to remove it.



I too only use Mate.

to be fair Gnome creates a lot of Good packages that are used in almost 
all desktop environments that are not actually the Gnome Desktop.

My Mate has a dozen or two with "gnome" in the package name

On other O/S you could (can?) generate a 'packing list' of all the 
components you wanted to install and use that to build your system. I 
expect Debian 11 has that ability but it's not something that is 
immediately obvious.


--
Jeremy
(Lists)

Starting stunnel with systemd.

[peter]

Hi,

After starting interactively, stunnel works.

To automate, this service file was created.

$ cat /etc/systemd/system/stunnel.service
[Unit]
Description=StunnelStarter
Documentation=man:stunnel(8)
After=network.target auditd.service

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/bin/stunnel /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf foreground=yes
Restart=no
Type=simple

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
Alias=stunnel.service

After booting, no stunnel.

$ ps aux | grep stunnel
root1463  0.0  0.0   6244   700 pts/0S+   09:31   0:00 grep 
stunnel


$ systemctl status stunnel
* stunnel.service - StunnelStarter
 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/stunnel.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)

 Active: inactive (dead) since Sun 2023-04-23 08:52:52 PDT; 7min ago
   Docs: man:stunnel(8)
Process: 572 ExecStart=/usr/bin/stunnel /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf 
foreground=yes (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)

   Main PID: 572 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CPU: 13ms

Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG5[ui]: Threading:PTHREAD 
Sockets:POLL,IPv6,SYSTEMD TLS:ENGINE,FIPS,OCSP,PSK,SNI Auth:LIBWRAP
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG5[ui]: Reading configuration 
from file /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG5[ui]: UTF-8 byte order mark not 
detected
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG5[ui]: FIPS mode disabledApr 23 
08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG4[ui]: Service [pop3] needs 
authenticati

on to prevent MITM attacks
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[572]: LOG5[ui]: Configuration successful
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[584]: LOG5[main]: Terminated
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[584]: LOG5[main]: Terminating 1 service 
thread(s)
Apr 23 08:52:52 imager stunnel[584]: LOG5[main]: Service threads 
terminated

Apr 23 08:52:52 imager systemd[1]: stunnel.service: Succeeded.

Terminated.  Why?

Thanks,   ... P.

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/17/23 21:43, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 17 Apr 2023 at 08:47:30 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 4/16/23 09:29, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 16 Apr 2023 at 07:19:18 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 07:03:41 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

I ran rc1 in my usual manner, and the only difference I noticed was
the one extra question about non-free firmware, to which I replied
yes. (There may well be improvements under the hood, so to speak.)
Oh, and the initrd is somewhat larger, as per usual.


using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition

I assume Legacy means BIOS booting. Same here, but only one disk.

correct. different term, same thing. Not UEFI

graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

Non-graphical here, a suitable partition existed, and only
standard and SSH server software was installed.


WiFi firmware:

Untested as this machine is a 2006-vintage mini-tower lacking wifi.

[ snipped narrative of later network-switching ]


Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub
partition was highlighted

I can't recall seeing anything other than the first item highlighted,
ie "Enter device manually", at least with the non-graphical installer
in expert mode. I selected the (sole) hard drive, item 2. The only
remaining item was the USB stick containing the installer ISO.

As expected nowadays, when the machine rebooted, the Grub menu
had only two lines, both pointing to the newly installed system.
(I hadn't made any attempt to counteract GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
during my installation.) So Grub was correctly installed in the
MBR, and the rest of Grub occupied d400 bytes of /dev/sda1 (the
3MB BIOS boot partition on the single disk).


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.
GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.

How did you determine that it was the previous menu. Wouldn't it look
just the same?

I enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER so that the various other operating
systems are shown
if the new GRUB is properly installed I get the "new" one item only
GRUB display.
then when I boot the new OS I again enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and
update GRUB

*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde &&
update-grub
then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

So you installed Grub on /dev/sde.


Which method did you use to boot the "default" system (which I assume
is bullseye, in a different partition on one or other of the disks),
in view of the rather sparse menu from grub.cfg on the new system?

I boot with the "old" GRUB menu as explained above...it has Several
operating systems listed, my old default OS is still at the top of the
list.

back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Presumably we are now back to talking about Grub.

If you still have access to the bookworm system, you can check whether
it claimed to have completed installing Grub successfully. You should
see lines like:

 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sda'
 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support --no-floppy
 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install  --force 
"/dev/sda"
 grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
 grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
 grub-installer: info: grub-install ran successfully

in /var/log/installer/syslog.

Thanks, I did not know where to look or what to look for.

I've tidied these lines:


===
Apr  5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for
/dev/sdb12: gpt
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sdb'
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support
--no-floppy
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target
grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb"
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: this GPT
partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be
possible.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: Embedding is
not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using
blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is

Re: Gnome desktop environment

[Peter Ehlert]

On April 22, 2023 12:58:24 PM Mark Fletcher  wrote:




On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 20:53, William Torrez Corea  
wrote:


I want to delete the Gnome desktop environment.


What command is used for an elimination complete?


I use this command but don't get the effect desired.

# apt-get install task-gnome-desktop


Well, to be fair, if you want to remove it, telling it to install it 
probably isn’t likely to produce the desired effect…



You could try using “remove” or “purge” instead but be ready for a lot of 
applications that depend on Gnome (or at least on a desktop of some sort). 
So the better approach may be to decide what you want to replace it with, 
try to install that, and guide the package manager towards uninstalling 
Gnome as it tries to sort out the mess that creates.

In my experience it's gonna be a real mess. Gnome is tenacious.
...if it doesn't give what you what you _really want_ I suggest a fresh 
install with the desktop of choice

Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop".
Best of luck.


Mark

Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/17/23 12:02, Fred wrote:

On 4/17/23 11:55, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on 
screen in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal 
printout would be posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% 
size. But I can't find a poster recipe in OO-draw.


What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big 
enough to easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle 
and put on 2 pages of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it 
but expects ps  or better eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not 
accept letter as a -m BOX definition. This image it claim will be 
rotated to portrait mode, and 2 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape 
would be just right with -s .80 option to reduce the height to 2 page 
tall.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi Gene,

If you live close to a large city there will be printing shops that 
serve surveyors that can print large format files. 

exactly
in California the mandated size is 18" x 26" for subdivision maps of 
various flavors.

engineering drawings are variable, 24" x 36" is really common.
I used to have a 36" printer that used 36" wide roll stock, but when it 
died I went to 24"... then after I "retired"
later I started using a Kikos or some such... email them the file, pick 
up the product at the store.

dunno who is better, but lots of people shop it out.

Some Office Max stores can also print large format files.

Best regards,
Fred

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/16/23 09:29, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 16 Apr 2023 at 07:19:18 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 07:03:41 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

I ran rc1 in my usual manner, and the only difference I noticed was
the one extra question about non-free firmware, to which I replied
yes. (There may well be improvements under the hood, so to speak.)
Oh, and the initrd is somewhat larger, as per usual.


using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition

I assume Legacy means BIOS booting. Same here, but only one disk.

correct. different term, same thing. Not UEFI

graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

Non-graphical here, a suitable partition existed, and only
standard and SSH server software was installed.


WiFi firmware:

Untested as this machine is a 2006-vintage mini-tower lacking wifi.

[ snipped narrative of later network-switching ]


Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub
partition was highlighted

I can't recall seeing anything other than the first item highlighted,
ie "Enter device manually", at least with the non-graphical installer
in expert mode. I selected the (sole) hard drive, item 2. The only
remaining item was the USB stick containing the installer ISO.

As expected nowadays, when the machine rebooted, the Grub menu
had only two lines, both pointing to the newly installed system.
(I hadn't made any attempt to counteract GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
during my installation.) So Grub was correctly installed in the
MBR, and the rest of Grub occupied d400 bytes of /dev/sda1 (the
3MB BIOS boot partition on the single disk).


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.
GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.

How did you determine that it was the previous menu. Wouldn't it look
just the same?

I enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER so that the various other operating
systems are shown
if the new GRUB is properly installed I get the "new" one item only
GRUB display.
then when I boot the new OS I again enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and
update GRUB

*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde &&
update-grub
then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

So you installed Grub on /dev/sde.


Which method did you use to boot the "default" system (which I assume
is bullseye, in a different partition on one or other of the disks),
in view of the rather sparse menu from grub.cfg on the new system?

I boot with the "old" GRUB menu as explained above...it has Several
operating systems listed, my old default OS is still at the top of the
list.

back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Presumably we are now back to talking about Grub.

If you still have access to the bookworm system, you can check whether
it claimed to have completed installing Grub successfully. You should
see lines like:

grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sda'
grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support --no-floppy
grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install  --force 
"/dev/sda"
grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
grub-installer: info: grub-install ran successfully

in /var/log/installer/syslog.

Thanks, I did not know where to look or what to look for.

I've tidied these lines:


===
Apr  5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for
/dev/sdb12: gpt
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sdb'
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support
--no-floppy
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target
grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb"
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: this GPT
partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be
possible.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: grub-install: warning: Embedding is
not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using
blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is
discouraged..
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
Apr  5 13:01:13 grub-ins

Re: Email submission.

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References: <9f8dd61d64d9c253af0fe23b546e6...@easthope.ca> 


Subject: Re: Email submission.

From: David Wright 
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 22:20:55 -0500

And in turn, this reply doesn't contain any feedback to my suggestion
of installing the backported exim, which claims to support tls on 
connect.


Yes, sorry.  Too wary of venturing beyond stable.

Now installed backported exim.  Unnecessary blanks removed for 
legibility here.

$ dpkg -l | grep exim
ii exim4  4.96-14~bpo11+1 all   metapackage to ease Exim MTA 
(v4) installation
ii exim4-base 4.96-14~bpo11+1 amd64 support files for all Exim 
MTA (v4) packages
ii exim4-config   4.96-14~bpo11+1 all   configuration for the Exim 
MTA (v4)
ii exim4-daemon-light 4.96-14~bpo11+1 amd64 lightweight Exim MTA (v4) 
daemon


No new question in "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config".  Shouldn't it ask
to choose between STARTTLS and TLS-on-connect?

/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf is unchanged by adding the backport.


My only remaining advice is to try everything on every port.
Frequently, one particular method is advertised, but the software
may allow other protocols/methods too. For example, the SMTP
port and commands that mutt sends my posts with is quite different
from those used by my hand-crafted automated emails (same hosts).


Certainly trying many combinations.  Technical support from the 
smarthost

also might recogize a detail I'm overlooking.


I don't recall ever seeing a debug message with a heading.


Not a heading for the file or a comment explaining one line.
Headings for more abstract levels of progress.
Eg.
"Evaluating whether delivery is local."
"Submitting password for user  to smarthost ."

Incidentally the debug text has formal syntax such as this.
08:29:51  3623  	}{${if def:sender_ident {from 
${quote_local_part:$sender_ident} }}${if def:sender_helo_name 
{(helo=$sender_helo_name)

Does anyone recognize a language?  Exim internal syntax?


I've never seen anything to be gained from comparing incoming and
outgoing email configurations.


Nothing to compare in configurations.  Just an observation that POP3
via stunnel is painless. I might try bypassing exim and sending
directly from MUA to smarthost.  Optionally through stunnel.


That seems to be moving on to newsreaders. ?


No, no.  https://wiki.debian.org/Pan has the only mention about
starting stunnel I've found in Debian documents.  Pertinent to receiving
mail here. Recklessly appended the topic rather than send another
message. =8~/

Thx,... P.

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 07:03:41 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

I ran rc1 in my usual manner, and the only difference I noticed was
the one extra question about non-free firmware, to which I replied
yes. (There may well be improvements under the hood, so to speak.)
Oh, and the initrd is somewhat larger, as per usual.


using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition

I assume Legacy means BIOS booting. Same here, but only one disk.

correct. different term, same thing. Not UEFI



graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

Non-graphical here, a suitable partition existed, and only
standard and SSH server software was installed.


WiFi firmware:

Untested as this machine is a 2006-vintage mini-tower lacking wifi.

[ snipped narrative of later network-switching ]


Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub
partition was highlighted

I can't recall seeing anything other than the first item highlighted,
ie "Enter device manually", at least with the non-graphical installer
in expert mode. I selected the (sole) hard drive, item 2. The only
remaining item was the USB stick containing the installer ISO.

As expected nowadays, when the machine rebooted, the Grub menu
had only two lines, both pointing to the newly installed system.
(I hadn't made any attempt to counteract GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
during my installation.) So Grub was correctly installed in the
MBR, and the rest of Grub occupied d400 bytes of /dev/sda1 (the
3MB BIOS boot partition on the single disk).


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.
GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.

How did you determine that it was the previous menu. Wouldn't it look
just the same?
I enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER so that the various other operating 
systems are shown
if the new GRUB is properly installed I get the "new" one item only GRUB 
display.
then when I boot the new OS I again enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and 
update GRUB



*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde &&
update-grub
then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

Which method did you use to boot the "default" system (which I assume
is bullseye, in a different partition on one or other of the disks),
in view of the rather sparse menu from grub.cfg on the new system?
I boot with the "old" GRUB menu as explained above...it has Several 
operating systems listed, my old default OS is still at the top of the list.



back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Presumably we are now back to talking about Grub.

If you still have access to the bookworm system, you can check whether
it claimed to have completed installing Grub successfully. You should
see lines like:

   grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sda'
   grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support --no-floppy
   grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install  --force "/dev/sda"
   grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
   grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
   grub-installer: info: grub-install ran successfully

in /var/log/installer/syslog.

Thanks, I did not know where to look or what to look for.

===
Apr  5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for 
/dev/sdb12: gpt


Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sdb'
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support 
--no-floppy
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target 
grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb"



5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for 
/dev/sdb12: gpt
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-legacy which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi-amd64-bin which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi-amd64-signed which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: d

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 07:03:41 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

I ran rc1 in my usual manner, and the only difference I noticed was
the one extra question about non-free firmware, to which I replied
yes. (There may well be improvements under the hood, so to speak.)
Oh, and the initrd is somewhat larger, as per usual.


using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition

I assume Legacy means BIOS booting. Same here, but only one disk.

correct. different term, same thing. Not UEFI



graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

Non-graphical here, a suitable partition existed, and only
standard and SSH server software was installed.


WiFi firmware:

Untested as this machine is a 2006-vintage mini-tower lacking wifi.

[ snipped narrative of later network-switching ]


Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub
partition was highlighted

I can't recall seeing anything other than the first item highlighted,
ie "Enter device manually", at least with the non-graphical installer
in expert mode. I selected the (sole) hard drive, item 2. The only
remaining item was the USB stick containing the installer ISO.

As expected nowadays, when the machine rebooted, the Grub menu
had only two lines, both pointing to the newly installed system.
(I hadn't made any attempt to counteract GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
during my installation.) So Grub was correctly installed in the
MBR, and the rest of Grub occupied d400 bytes of /dev/sda1 (the
3MB BIOS boot partition on the single disk).


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.
GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.

How did you determine that it was the previous menu. Wouldn't it look
just the same?
I enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER so that the various other operating 
systems are shown
if the new GRUB is properly installed I get the "new" one item only GRUB 
display.
then when I boot the new OS I again enable GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and 
update GRUB



*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde &&
update-grub
then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

Which method did you use to boot the "default" system (which I assume
is bullseye, in a different partition on one or other of the disks),
in view of the rather sparse menu from grub.cfg on the new system?
I boot with the "old" GRUB menu as explained above...it has Several 
operating systems listed, my old default OS is still at the top of the list.



back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Presumably we are now back to talking about Grub.

If you still have access to the bookworm system, you can check whether
it claimed to have completed installing Grub successfully. You should
see lines like:

   grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sda'
   grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support --no-floppy
   grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target grub-install  --force "/dev/sda"
   grub-installer: Installing for i386-pc platform.
   grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
   grub-installer: info: grub-install ran successfully

in /var/log/installer/syslog.

Thanks, I did not know where to look or what to look for.

===
Apr  5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for 
/dev/sdb12: gpt


Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Installing grub on '/dev/sdb'
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: grub-install does not support 
--no-floppy
Apr  5 13:01:03 grub-installer: info: Running chroot /target 
grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb"



5 12:59:44 grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for 
/dev/sdb12: gpt
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-legacy which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi-amd64-bin which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to 
remove grub-efi-amd64-signed which isn't installed
Apr  5 12:59:45 grub-installer: d

Email submission. Was Re: https://: vs. https://:.

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References:  



From: David Wright 
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 22:40:21 -0500

I notice that 2096 is often a webmail port. Does that mean you've
given up on sending emails by their submission port?


Submitting messages by the Web interface only until exim works.  =8~/
Certainly submission via exim is a better option.


Your emails on this topic suddenly stopped after March 26.


After switching to a new smarthost, exim still has me stumped.  =8~/
Switched to the exim-users list for more focused help.

$ cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf | tail -n 15
# This is a Debian specific file

dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost'
dc_other_hostnames=''
dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1'
dc_readhost='easthope.ca'
dc_relay_domains=''
dc_minimaldns='false'
dc_relay_nets=''
dc_smarthost='mail.easthope.ca::465'
CFILEMODE='644'
dc_use_split_config='false'
dc_hide_mailname='true'
dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
dc_localdelivery='mail_spool'

The debug log from
"exim -d+all+noutf8 me@anaccessibledomain ..." is in
http://easthope.ca/ex1 .  Many lines mention "retry" and I don't
understand the snag there.  Ideas welcome.

Not as interesting as an issue of _National_Geographic_.  Explanatory
headings could help more.
a: Where are you going.
b: Through the door.
a: I can see that.
b: Then why did you ask?
a: Because I don't have the ability to read thoughts.  [To know you're
going to the store for coffee cream.]

Incidentally, in Debian 11, POP3 works via stunnel.  The only
difficulty is to automate stunnel startup for non-inetd operation.
Start stunnel at boot up.

"man stunnel" mentions "delay DNS lookup for connect option".  No
effect here.

"@reboot root stunnel" in /etc/crontab starts a process after which
the MUA reports "No connection".

https://wiki.debian.org/Pan advises "ENABLED=1" in
/etc/default/stunnel4. No stunnel process results.  =8~/

Thx,... P.

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

[peter]

To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
In-reply-to: 
References:  


Subject: Re: Commands service and systemctl.

From: David Wright 
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 11:12:18 -0500

man 8 service


"SERVICE(8) ...
 ...
service  runs  a System V init script or systemd unit ..."

Initial release of System V was in 1983.  Initial release of systemd
was in 2010.  Probably service predates systemd.


service passes COMMAND  and OPTIONS to the init script unmodified.
For systemd units, start,  stop, status, and reload are passed through
to their systemctl/initctl equivalents.


For start, stop & etc. systemctl is more direct than service.  Might be
some functionality from service not available from systemctl.  Have to
dig deeper for that.

No mention that service will be outmoded by systemctl but appears so.


... rather than a wiki webpage.


The table in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 is comprehensive
and direct. Note heading "Utilities obsoleted ...".


... wiki ...


Any J. Doe can correct an error in a wiki.  In many (most?) man pages
deficiencies and errors endure.

  ... p.

Commands service and systemctl.

[peter]

Hi,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of
"service", none referring to the service command.

For several somethings, the result of command,
service something COMMAND
approximates the result of
systemctl COMMAND something.service
although systemctl might be more powerful.

Does the relationship between service and systemctl parallel that
between ifconfig and ip? service is a legacy command?

Thx,  ... P.

https://: vs. https://:.

[peter]

Noticed this oddity when working with the new service.

$ nslookup hornby.islandhosting.com
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   hornby.islandhosting.com
Address: 158.69.159.172
Name:   hornby.islandhosting.com
Address: 2607:5300:203:66b5::

$ nslookup mail.easthope.ca
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
mail.easthope.cacanonical name = easthope.ca.
Name:   easthope.ca
Address: 158.69.159.172

As expected, login at https://hornby.islandhosting.com:2096 and at
https://mail.easthope.ca:2096 appear equivalent.

But for URL https://158.69.159.172:2096 Firefox warns,

"Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead

Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to
158.69.159.172. If you visit this site, attackers could try to steal
information like your passwords, emails, or credit card details.

What can you do about it?

The issue is most likely with the website, and there is nothing you
can do to resolve it. You can notify the website’s administrator
about the problem."

What is the risk from an IP address?  Misconfiguration at Island Hosting
as Firefox suggests?

Thx, ... P.

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

[Peter Ehlert]

Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer
Damned nice, the improvements are appreciated.

using the new debian-bookworm-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy install, GPT partition
graphic install, manual partitioning
Mate Desktop (others were deselected)

WiFi firmware:
with a cheap USB WiFi adapter plugged in and my network cable unplugged
the USB was shown, and both of the network cards were detected
USB was highlighted, and I was prompted for the password
*the obscure firmware was properly installed!

1. after the install, the WiFi password was retained
2. reboot, with network cable plugged in, WiFi was still active.
3. disconnect WiFI from the control panel and the network was still 
active, using the correct network card (the only one plugged in)

4. reboot with cable plugged in, and USB present- WiFi was active
5. reboot with cable plugged in, no USB - network active
6. plug in the USB, it switched to WiFi

Boot Loader:
all disk drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub 
partition was highlighted


=
second try, using the debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc1-amd64-mate.iso
same machine and again Legacy install, GPT partition
however I did NOT install from the live session:
I chose to go directly to install rather than the Calamares installer
then manual partitioning

Boot Loader:
all drives were detected, however the one with the bios_grub partition 
was NOT highlighted, but I did select it.

GRUB was Not properly installed, my former grub menu was still active.
*** I tried a second time, same as above being super careful, same result.

I then booted with my default system, ran grub-install /dev/sde && 
update-grub

then "new" system was on my boot menu.
then booted and it ran as expected.

back to the WiFi dongle, again the obscure firmware was properly installed

Is this a Bug or a user/hardware issue?

Re: Software usage.

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References:  
  
 


From: David Wright 
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:48:14 -0600

Yes, perhaps suggest this change to the editors:

  "Alternatively, you can send an email to one of the following 
addresses:


  "Web pages editors
  package: www.debian.org
  debian-...@lists.debian.org"


Sent a message February 18.  No acknowledgement.  No evidence of the
suggested change.

 ... P.

Re: exim failure

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References:  
<5319ac62b1294b2290d3d14a6cd8b...@easthope.ca> 



From: David Wright 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 23:34:54 -0500

In the first instance, just try sending a test message using the
commands I gave, except starting off with:

$ openssl s_client -crlf -connect mail.easthope.ca:465

After the certificate stuff, you should then see lines like:
...
And you carry on from there with:

 AUTH PLAIN encodedstring


The test message was transmitted.  Good!

(1) Section 1. in
https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html
has "email submission but with TLS immediately upon connect instead of
using STARTTLS" is officially blessed by the IETF, and recommended by
them in preference to STARTTLS.

From the tests, my conclusion is that Island Hosting requires
TLS-on-connect & STARTTLS won't work.  Consistent with the IETF
recommendation.

Now all that's needed is to configure exim properly.

/usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz should be a good starting
point for documentation but leaves several questions.

(2) 2.1.1. The Debconf questions
"Since you can usually read this file only after having answered the
questions ..." What file?

I infer as central concept of the paragraph, "Command 'dpkg-reconfigure
exim4-config' takes as input
/usr/share/doc/exim4-base/exim4.conf.template and responses from the
user and produces as output
/usr/share/doc/exim4-base/update-exim4.conf.conf."

(3) "Both exim4-daemon-heavy and exim4-daemon-light support TLS/SSL
using the GnuTLS library."  Isn't openssl the default in Debian?  What
is the purpose of this sentence about GnuTLS?

(4) "TLS on connect is not natively supported."  OK but the test
confirmed that it can work.  Documentation could tell how to
configure. Otherwise link to instructions at least.

(5) 
https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html

states "There is also a -tls-on-connect command line option. This
overrides tls_on_connect_ports; it forces the TLS-only behaviour for
all ports."  Connection from the local MUA to exim isn't encrypted.
The command line option will block that?

What ideas are there to configure TLS-on-connect for localhost to
smarthost and leave MUA to localhost unencrypted on port 25?

Thanks,... P.

Re: exim failure

[peter]

In-reply-to: 
References: <9ef536feee6ec3ae2e3032d22e06d...@easthope.ca> 



From: David Wright 
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 23:18:47 -0500

That looks fine, and shows that you're going to send through their
port 465, which will require TLS and authentication. So first you need
to encode your username and password with:

 $ echo -e -n '\0username\0password' | base64
...


I logged in at https://islandhosting.com/login , dug down a few layers
and lucked onto this.

"Mail Client Manual Settings
  ...
Secure SSL/TLS Settings (Recommended)
Username:   pe...@easthope.ca
Password:   Use the email account¶s password.
Incoming Server:mail.easthope.ca

IMAP Port: 993 POP3 Port: 995

Outgoing Server:mail.easthope.ca

SMTP Port: 465

IMAP, POP3, and SMTP require authentication."

No mention of STARTTLS or TLS on connect.  Tried this
interactive run.

$ openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect mail.easthope.ca:465
CONNECTED(0003)
Didn't find STARTTLS in server response, trying anyway...
write:errno=0
---
no peer certificate available
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 0 bytes and written 341 bytes
Verification: OK
---
New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Secure Renegotiation IS NOT supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
Early data was not sent
Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---
$

The server is using TLS on connect rather than STARTTLS?
TLS is seriously broken here?


Before trying the interactive process, checked a bunch of details
including instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/Exim.  Generated
fresh /etc/exim4/exim.crt and /etc/exim4/exim.key.

Requested delivery of the last message in the queue.
$ exim -M 1pgCEl-00010a-4l

$ tail -n 1 /var/log/exim4/mainlog
2023-03-25 16:59:30 1pgCEl-00010a-4l == pe...@easthope.ca R=smarthost 
T=remote_s
mtp_smarthost defer (-37) H=easthope.ca [158.69.159.172]: TLS session: 
(certific

ate verification failed)

==
Notes from reviewing additional details.

Noticed that dnsmasq was absent.  =8~/  Installed it.

Also found this.

root@imager:/home/root# cat /etc/resolv.conf
domain hitronhub.home
search hitronhub.home
nameserver 192.168.0.1

https://wiki.debian.org/dnsmasq gave a hint to add
127.0.0.1 as first line.  So now this.

root@imager:/home/root# cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 127.0.0.1
domain hitronhub.home
search hitronhub.home
nameserver 192.168.0.1

I didn't submit "hitronhub.home".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain#Rejected_domains
suggests, to me, that hitronhub.home is a contrivance of the Hitron
manufacturer.  Came to resolv.conf during system installation?  From
DHCP?  Allows the Hitron box to intercept name resolution requests?
Necessary?  A source of confusion?  Isn't "nameserver 192.168.0.1"
enough?

Checked a few lookups for interest.

$ nslookup easthope.ca
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   easthope.ca
Address: 158.69.159.172

$ nslookup mail.easthope.ca
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
mail.easthope.cacanonical name = easthope.ca.
Name:   easthope.ca
Address: 158.69.159.172

$ nslookup islandhosting.com
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   islandhosting.com
Address: 192.99.111.180
Name:   islandhosting.com
Address: 2607:5300:60:925e::

$ nslookup hornby.islandhosting.com
Server: 192.168.0.1
Address:192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   hornby.islandhosting.com
Address: 158.69.159.172
Name:   hornby.islandhosting.com
Address: 2607:5300:203:66b5::

$ whois 192.99.111.180 | grep island
$ whois 158.69.159.172 | grep island
$

Neither IP gets islandhosting.com?

Thx,... P.

Re: exim failure

[peter]

Header lines not handled by Web interface.
In-reply-to: 
References: <5674e986a67af53a04b27f08cd161...@easthope.ca> 



From: David Wright 
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:06:20 -0500

What are the contents of /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, the
configuration file?


# /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
#
# Most of the heading comments removed.
#
# This is a Debian specific file

dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost'
dc_other_hostnames=''
dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1'
dc_readhost='dalton.invalid'
dc_relay_domains=''
dc_minimaldns='false'
dc_relay_nets=''
dc_smarthost='hornby.islandhosting.com::465'
CFILEMODE='644'
dc_use_split_config='false'
dc_hide_mailname='true'
dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
dc_localdelivery='mail_spool'


I assumed you just stared at the screen until this timeout appeared.


My thought was "broken configuration".


You've now got to type something. It will then talk back to you.
Try typing (ignore my indentation):

  ehlo dalton.invalid  ← that's not a typo
  mail from: pe...@easthope.ca
  rcpt to: pe...@easthope.ca
  data
  from: pe...@easthope.ca
  to: pe...@easthope.ca
  subject: hand written test 01
   ← that's a blank line
  Hand written test 01
  .← that's nothing but a fullstop 
Return

  quit


root@dalton:/home/root# exim -bh 142.103.107.137.465

 SMTP testing session as if from host 142.103.107.137
 but without any ident (RFC 1413) callback.
 This is not for real!


host in hosts_connection_nolog? no (option unset)
host in host_lookup? yes (matched "*")
looking up host name for 142.103.107.137
IP address lookup yielded "dalton.invalid"
checking addresses for dalton.invalid
  127.0.1.1
  142.103.107.137 OK
host in host_reject_connection? no (option unset)
host in sender_unqualified_hosts? no (option unset)
host in recipient_unqualified_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_verify_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_try_verify_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_accept_junk_hosts? no (option unset)
host in pipelining_connect_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")

220 dalton.invalid ESMTP Exim 4.94.2 Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:45:12 -0700
ehlo dalton.invalid

host in dsn_advertise_hosts? no (option unset)
host in pipelining_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")
host in auth_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")
host in chunking_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")
host in tls_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")
host in smtputf8_advertise_hosts? no (end of list)

250-dalton.invalid Hello dalton.invalid [142.103.107.137]
250-SIZE 52428800
250-8BITMIME
250-PIPELINING
250-PIPE_CONNECT
250-CHUNKING
250-STARTTLS
250-PRDR
250 HELP
mail from: pe...@easthope.ca

using ACL "acl_check_mail"
processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 265)
accept: condition test succeeded in ACL "acl_check_mail"
end of ACL "acl_check_mail": ACCEPT

250 OK
rcpt to: pe...@easthope.ca

using ACL "acl_check_rcpt"
processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 277)
check hosts = :
host in ":"? no (end of list)
accept: condition test failed in ACL "acl_check_rcpt"
processing "deny" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 292)
check domains = +local_domains
easthope.ca in "@:localhost"? no (end of list)
easthope.ca in "+local_domains"? no (end of list)
deny: condition test failed in ACL "acl_check_rcpt"
processing "deny" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 301)
check domains = !+local_domains
easthope.ca in "!+local_domains"? yes (end of list)
check local_parts = ^[./|] : ^.*[@%!`#&?] : ^.*/\\.\\./
peter in "^[./|] : ^.*[@%!`#&?] : ^.*/\.\./"? no (end of list)
deny: condition test failed in ACL "acl_check_rcpt"
processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 307)
check local_parts = postmaster
peter in "postmaster"? no (end of list)
accept: condition test failed in ACL "acl_check_rcpt"
processing "deny" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 322)
check !acl = acl_local_deny_exceptions
 using ACL "acl_local_deny_exceptions"
 processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 238)
 check hosts = ${if 
exists{/etc/exim4/host_local_deny_exceptions}{/etc/exim4/host_local_deny_exceptions}{}}

host in ""? no (end of list)
 accept: condition test failed in ACL "acl_local_deny_exceptions"
 processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 242)
 check senders = ${if 
exists{/etc/exim4/sender_local_deny_exceptions}{/etc/exim4/sender_local_deny_exceptions}{}}

pe...@easthope.ca in ""? no (end of list)
 accept: condition test failed in ACL "acl_local_deny_exceptions"
 processing "accept" (/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated 246)
 ch

exim failure

[peter]

Hi,

In case this message is duplicated, apology in advance.

After configuring exim for a new smarthost, message sending fails.
This might help to identify the problem.

root@dalton:/home/root# exim -bh 142.103.1m.1n

 SMTP testing session as if from host 142.103.1m.1n
 but without any ident (RFC 1413) callback.
 This is not for real!


host in hosts_connection_nolog? no (option unset)
host in host_lookup? yes (matched "*")
looking up host name for 142.103.1m.1n
IP address lookup yielded "dalton.invalid"
checking addresses for dalton.invalid
  142.103.1m.1n OK
host in host_reject_connection? no (option unset)
host in sender_unqualified_hosts? no (option unset)
host in recipient_unqualified_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_verify_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_try_verify_hosts? no (option unset)
host in helo_accept_junk_hosts? no (option unset)
host in pipelining_connect_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*")

220 dalton.invalid ESMTP Exim 4.94.2 Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:02:25 -0700

LOG: SMTP syntax error in "" H=dalton.invalid [142.103.1m.1n] 
unrecognized com

mand
500 unrecognized command
LOG: SMTP command timeout on connection from dalton.invalid 
[142.103.1m.1n]

421 dalton.invalid: SMTP command timeout - closing connection
root@dalton:/home/root#

A test message produces this in /var/log/exim4/mainlog

2023-03-22 13:39:10 1pf5Ek-gQ-Dk <= pe...@easthope.ca 
H=localhost.localdomai

n (dalton) [127.0.0.1] P=smtp S=586
2023-03-22 13:39:10 1pf5Ek-gQ-Dk == pe...@easthope.ca R=smarthost 
T=remote_s
mtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host for 
'easthope.ca'


How can the origin of "SMTP syntax error" be found?
Is the correction known already?

Thx,  ... P.

Re: SIP servers.

[peter]

From: Jeffrey Walton 
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:02:53 -0500
> There's also osip, https://www.gnu.org/software/osip/ .
> 
> The last time I checked it was under active development with commercial 
> support.

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Re: SIP servers.

[peter]

From: Jeremy Ardley 
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 09:00:36 +0800
> If all you want is SIP registration and routing then Kamailio or 
> OpenSER will work fine, though you may want to add RTPProxy in NAT 
> situations.
> 
> You could try Asterisk if you want a PBX but personally I wouldn't 
> touch it.

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SIP servers.

[peter]

Hi,

Appears that repro remains unavailable.
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual/Repro

Also ekiga is gone.

What are the current recommendations for SIP servers?

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Re: Web page management.

[Peter Easthope]

In-reply-to: <20230208191831.x6zp7ybzizmbq...@randomstring.org>
References: 
<20230208191831.x6zp7ybzizmbq...@randomstring.org>

From: Dan Ritter 
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 14:18:31 -0500
> The thing you're looking at is the uBlock Origin widget,
> and it shows things that your browser is being told to retrieve
> by the code of the website that it is looking at.

Thanks.  Ie. the claim by CRA tech support is false.  =8~/

Without studying the source of Firefox, how can you be sure it isn't
initiating the request to gstatic.com or omtrdc.net?

Thx,   ... P.

Re: May I delete their?

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 04/02/2023 10:46, Henning Follmann wrote:

On Sat, Feb 04, 2023 at 10:08:06AM +, sim sim wrote:

Good day!
During the last update through the 'Sinaptic' I saw that was download 
'linux-image-5.10.0-21-686-pae' and updated 'linux-image-686-pae' was updated.
In my /boot/ among any other are archived files from 
'initrd.img-5.10.0-9-686-pae' up to 'initrd.img-5.10.0-21-686-pae', each 
53.3MiB. Their total  weight of 53*13 is huge.
May I delete their?
  Thanks all.


The reasoning behind keeping older kernel versions around to have a safe
fallback. That's why there is always one older version left on the system.

So if your system boots without any troubles a
  apt autoremove
will clear out most of the old kernels, and it's safe to do that.


Just to be clear:
sudo apt autoremove

Openbox documentation.

[peter]

me@computer:/home/me# head -n 4 /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml




How would rc.xml be available to edit before Openbox is installed?  The 
writer had a time machine?

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Software usage. Was Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

From: 
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:09:20 +0100
> Know what? Those "resources" to be "allocated" are you and me. 

Documentation?  The Web?  Most of the front page, 
https://www.debian.org , is occupied with graphics. =8~/  A link 
directly to https://wiki.debian.org would make sense.  "User support" 
is OK but a link directly to wiki.debian.org can easily fit.

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Re: Web page management.

[peter]

From: Dan Ritter 
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:14:22 -0500
> Yes, because uBlock Origin is the less capable sibling and uBO
> can do that. Just block JavaScript on the wikipedia.org domain.
> The site remains largely functional but does not do previews.

Thanks.

Another complication: Wikipedia > Preferences menu > Settings
  > Privacy & Security > Permissions > Block pop-up windows .

So I expect NoScript, uBlock or uMatrix to allow pop-ups but  "Block ..." 
can block.

Walter Scott 2+ centuries ago, "O, what a tangled web we weave, 
When first we practise to deceive!"

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Web page management. Was: Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

Unwieldly References list truncated.

From: Stefan Monnier 
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:45:52 -0500
> I use uMatrix, which I find strikes a fairly good balance between
> keeping sites working and letting me control how much crap is loaded.

Another helpful add-on.  Thanks!

A feature (gingerbread) I'd rather not have in Wikipedia is the popup 
article preview from hovering the pointer on a link.  Can uMatrix 
block that?  How?

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NoScript for Firefox.

[peter]

From: Joe 
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 12:50:37 +
> I use No-Script in Firefox.

Thanks!  Installed it.  Definitely helpful.

At the bottom of https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Profile under 
heading "Other projects aim at improving security and privacy in Firefox:" 
now a note about NoScript.  If someone can improve it, good.

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Re (2): firefox resource hog

[peter]

From: Stefan Monnier 
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2023 19:41:16 -0500
> ... (after all, nowadays web browsers are just VMs running 
> Javascript applications downloaded from hundreds of servers around 
> the world).

Thanks Stefan.

JavaScript might be OK for phenomena such as Youtube.

Meticulous and thorough as JavaScript developers are, I'd prefer my 
credit union calculate on their server. Then only HTML or HTML5 for 
customer systems. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#Security

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Web functionality; was Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

David & all,

Earlier from peter,
> > Bulk of the software and frequent updates are evident but what changes 
> > in functionality?  The Web site of my credit union works as it did 
> > five years ago.

From: David Wright 
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600
> What's that got to do with Firefox? OK, it's good that the CU hasn't
> run with every fad that some web developers seem to want, so that
> they get what I call a high "coo-rating". (Coo, look at that.)

Yes, good that the CU Web site is relatively stable.  That was a 
secondary point.

My primary interest: if many Web sites appear and perform as five 
years ago, what is the need for the frequent updates?  A bug needs 
repair a.s.a.p.  A bug compromising security needs repair sooner.  
Are most Firefox updates security critical?

Bigger software has more opportunities for security compromise.  A 
genuine interest in security should motivate a lean browser for 
security critical purposes.  I'd prefer to access the CU with Dillo.   
Unfortunately it gets ... no response.  =8~/

> Sure, [Wikipedia pages] tend to be no more complex than required for 
> what's being displayed. I assume that's their policy, very sensible.

Wikimedia and Debian get gold stars for keeping their Web sites "in 
house". They don't invoke background access to 3rd party pages far and 
wide.  The policy deserves acknowledgement.

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Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

David,

Thanks for replying.

From: David Wright 
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600
> What, you expect someone to obtain an i386 machine just to replicate
> that it's slow? And make it crash in some unspecified manner?

Definitely not for the problems with Firefox.

Yes, I'd hope that at least one person maintaining network software
would have a 32 bit machine and perform some tests there.  After all, 
communication is fundamental and the title is "Debian; The Universal 
operating system". https://www.debian.org/

> > ... what changes in functionality?  The Web site of my credit 
> > union works as it did five years ago.

> What's that got to do with Firefox? OK, it's good that the CU hasn't
> run with every fad that some web developers seem to want, ...

The subject I intended was Web functionality.  The reference to the 
Web site of my credit union was illustrative; not the primary subject.
I shouldn't have assumed that was obvious.

> Coo, look at that.

This meaning?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coo
Etymology 2
Adjective
coo (comparative more coo, superlative most coo)
(slang) Cool.

Yes, "coo rating" is a problem for the Web.  In North America "cool 
rating" is the more likely expression.  

> Where's your evidence that Firefox 102.6 is not ready? You haven't
> posted anything specific, and your criticism seems more like a whine, ...

Yes, a whine against the Web.  Not a whine about readiness of Firefox.  
The Web has become a resource abyss.  Debian can't fix it.  No single 
entity can fix it. At least Debian can acknowledge the problem and 
allocate some attention and resources to mitigation. Debian has 
influence.  It can advocate to help developers and users avoid the 
abyss.  Might also be ways for software to help.

> I ran FF on a 500MB i386 laptop to the end of buster, ...

> I now run my i386 laptop just for its portability. I have eight
> xterms open in fvwm, and use it to set things going on the four
> or five other machines scattered through the house (all 64-bit).

Good.  One machine not in ewaste.

> I'm not sure why you run Firefox on 32-bits: any particular reason,
> or just for old times sake?

Aside from a tablet, haven't purchased a new computer.  Around 
1990 purchased a new system board which went into a discarded chassis.
Purchased three used machines since.  Recently given two 64 bit machines 
and haven't them commissioned yet.

> You don't appear to have posted what the spec of /your/ i386 machine
> is: in particular, how much memory and how much swap?

me@joule:/home/root# hwinfo --cpu
01: None 00.0: 10103 CPU
  [Created at cpu.465]
  Unique ID: rdCR.j8NaKXDZtZ6
  Hardware Class: cpu
  Arch: Intel
  Vendor: "GenuineIntel"
  Model: 15.2.7 "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz"
  Features: fpu,vme,de,pse,tsc,msr,pae,mce,cx8,apic,sep,mtrr,pge,mca,cmov,pat,ps
e36,clflush,dts,acpi,mmx,fxsr,sse,sse2,ss,ht,tm,pbe,pebs,bts,cpuid,cid,xtpr,pti
  Clock: 2393 MHz
  BogoMips: 4787.65
  Cache: 512 kb
  Units/Processor: 1
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

me@joule:/home/root# hwinfo --memory
01: None 00.0: 10102 Main Memory
  [Created at memory.74]
  Unique ID: rdCR.CxwsZFjVASF
  Hardware Class: memory
  Model: "Main Memory"
  Memory Range: 0x-0xe4c60fff (rw)
  Memory Size: 3 GB + 512 MB
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

me@joule:/home/root# lsblk | grep sda3
sda3   8:30 1G  0 part [SWAP]

Swap should be larger.  Might do that after a 64 bit machine is 
running.

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Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" 
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 16:32:37 +
> Is this a bug that you are experiencing?

Yes.  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765#55

> This is only the case for IPv6 - is this something that affects you?

I don't need IPv6 but need 4. This is the pertinent stanza in 
/etc/network/interfaces.

# bridge to connect QEMU guest.
auto br0
iface br0 inet static
 address   10.0.2.1/24
 
Reboot.

ip addr show br0
4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 
1000
   link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

Assignment of 10.0.2.1 failed.  Correct?  It worked in 2021 or early 2022.

Ideas aside from this? 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=993716

> For Firefox, we take what upstream releases as firefox-esr ...

dpkg -l | grep fire
ii  firefox-esr 102.6.0esr-1~deb11u1
i386 Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR)

> All software is buggy: it is a matter of luck whether bugs hit you.  

=8~/  A hacker might be satisfied with luck.  An engineer should not 
be.  If I claim to be a package maintainer, I test as broadly as 
feasible. A 32 bit machine is easily found.

> the pace of Firefox change is such that releases age very quickly

Bulk of the software and frequent updates are evident but what changes 
in functionality?  The Web site of my credit union works as it did 
five years ago.  Wikipedia pages are still text with pictures and 
occasional video.  Flakey Web sites still have annoying animations and 
distracting slide shows.  What's improved?

I use Dillo whenever possible.  Any other ideas to avoid wasted 
communications?   Can Firefox imitate a mobile device app?  Does any 
search engine prioritizes inversely to volume of HTML and JavaScript?

> Hope this helps,

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Re: Debian release criteria.

[peter]

From: Eric S Fraga 
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 09:25:02 +
> According to that bug report, the problem is on sid.  

Was on sid.  The report originated in 2009 when sid = squeeze = Debian 6.

sid is a floating codename.  Helps to confuse us.  =8~)
https://www.debian.org/releases/ 
'The "unstable" distribution is always called sid.'

I neglected mentioning Debian 11 on an old 32 bit machine here but 
see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765#55 .

In https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765#45 
Petter Reinholdtsen also mentioned a 32 bit machine.
Seems to be a pattern involving "32".  =8~)

> cheese works perfectly for me and has done so for a very long time.

Great.  This is a Logitech M/N: V-U0006, P/N: 860-000177, PID: LZ944BN. 
Spherical, about 54 mm diameter.   If you happen to find one, 
please add to the bug report.

Thx,... P.






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Debian release criteria.

[peter]

Hi,

A few years ago a USB camera worked with Cheese, a bridge interface 
worked as documented and Firefox was fairly stable.

Now Cheese cashes immediately upon startup.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765

QEMU documents a bridge for connecting the guest, 
https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking But creation of a 
but creation of a bridge interface fails in Debian 11.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=993716

Firefox has become slow and crashes frequently.

Not long ago the release criterion was "release when ready".  
What's become of that?

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Re: Network bridge usage.

[peter]

Hello again,

From: pe...@easthope.ca
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2023 11:31:38 -0800
> (2) Why is the second inet6 address omitted from the current result?

br0 isn't created properly.  Appears to be this problem, not yet 
resolved.  =8~/

From: Santiago Garcia Mantinan 
To: 993...@bugs.debian.org
Subject: I think this should be fixed on ifupdown
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 23:14:19 +0200

> We can jsut sugest to set dad-attempts to 0 ...

https://techhub.hpe.com/eginfolib/networking/docs/switches/WB/16-01/5200-0135_wb_2920_ipv6/content/ch01s11.html
suggests,
ipv6 nd dad-attempts 0

Where?  Where does it belong?

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Network bridge usage.

[peter]

Greetings for the New Year to Debian users,

Verifying and updating instructions here.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/ETH_Oberon/QEMUinstall#Network_Connection_on_a_Virtual_Machine
Questions (1) and (2) follow.

root@joule:/home/root# ip link show br0
4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN mo
de DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

br0 is a virtual interface; not connected to hardware.
(1) How is address 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 derived?

Currently,
root@joule:/home/root# ip addr show br0
4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN gr
oup default qlen 1000
link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 10.0.2.1/24 brd 10.0.2.255 scope global br0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fd99:::::1/64 scope global tentative
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

The example in the documentation has these two additional lines.
  inet6 fe80::3082:6ff:feb6:c02a/64 scope link
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

(2) Why is the second inet6 address omitted from the current result?


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Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p driving two monitors.

[peter]

From: Felix Miata 
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 00:27:55 -0500
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/313596983241 is what I have on order to substitute 
> for
> the capability of my dead 29" Dell.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p driving two monitors.

[peter]

From: Felix Miata 
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 21:46:32 -0500
> DVI doesn't carry audio. DP does.

Therefore take one audio output from the DP++ port?  Is there a need 
for more than one audio output?

Currently here, audio is available from sockets on the mainboard or 
from a USB adapter. The ThinkCentre M92p has USB.
 
No monitor here has built-in audio.  DP audio would require an adapter 
to a plug on a speaker.

So I think of putting an adapter such as one of these on the DP++ socket.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154795004186
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/185532148744
Then connect the DVI monitor there and VGA to VGA.

One of these might allow three monitors.
"MST Hub DP DisplayPort 1.4 Bi-Direction Switch Support HDCP SST Extended 
4K@60hz"
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/144864706204
"DP DisplayPort Bi-Direction Switch Splitter Converter MST Hub 4K 8K"
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/134137803289

The distinction between manual switching of one display between two 
monitors and one display simultaneously on two monitors isn't stated 
well in the descriptions.  Manual switching won't help.

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Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p driving two monitors.

[peter]

An M92p has a DisplayPort (DP++) connector and a VGA connector. An 
old VGA monitor can be connected directly.

Any advice about choosing an adapter to connect DP++ to the DVI 
connector on a 2nd monitor?

Any advantage in finding a way to connect two monitors to the one DP++?

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Re: xfce install

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/24/22 05:24, steef van duin wrote:

hi folks
i am wrestling with a fresh 11.6-black-screen installation to get  a 
xfce-desktop going.


allthough I think I used from the commandline the most appropriate 
commands by apt i keep gretting the response 'cannot find xfce4'   
when i do btw sudo apt-get install xfce4.



I do not have Sudo enabled, however when I run as root (su -)

apt install xfce4

works for me


anhybody a solution for this?

kind regarfs and thanks,

steef

groningen

Re: Monitor traffic on a port.

[peter]

In-reply-to: <20221210092451.4b3a5...@hpusdt5.der-he.de>
References: <2e94402a808bb7535f81cb604e0e2...@easthope.ca> 
<20221210092451.4b3a5...@hpusdt5.der-he.de>


From: hede 
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:24:51 +0100

... iptraf-ng ...


Installed it and ran iptraf.  If confirms no traffic on lo when a test 
is run.


Thx, ... P.