Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-05 Thread Mark Phillips
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

   in make menuconfig, turn off anythig you do not need
  immediately, like any unknown drivers. (look at makefiles and .config
  to know what to turn off).
 
   I too have a hinote vp 575 laptop and a Xircom ehternet/modem
  card, but I have not yet loaded Linux on the laptop -- I'sd
  appreciate it if you would keep me posted.

I finally got 2.0.31 to compile --- and that was achieved by deconfiguring
a whole stack of drivers.  I still don't know why I couldn't compile it
with these drivers, but fortunately I didn't need any of them. 

I think you said before that the kernel source tree should be self
sufficient---providing its own headers.  What about things like stdio.h
etc?  Because I think these were the things letting down the side.


When I finally did get 2.0.31 to compile - sure enough the Zircom
ethernet/modem worked fine.  I wondered however whether the problem with
getting the Zircom card to work wasn't so much the kernel version, but
something to do with these other drivers.  I tried compiling 2.0.32 with
all the unnecessary drivers deconfigured and sure enough, the Zircom card
worked for this kernel too!  (Whereas for the out-of-the-box debian 2.0.32
kernel it doesn't work.)  I can't see why deconfiguring these extra
drivers should make any difference, but it obviously does!

Thanks again for your help, and for your info on /usr/include/asm symlinks
and the like.

Cheers,

Mark.

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-04 Thread Mark Phillips
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

  Mark The links I created were:
  SNIP
   I compile kernels in /usr/local all the time, and I never have
  created any of these links ... they are not required. 

I made the links because that's what the README file for the linux
kernel says to do.  As you see:

 - make sure your /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi
   directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources:

cd /usr/include
rm -rf asm linux scsi
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi

I had thought that I should follow the instructions in the kernel
README, but perhaps the README is just over cautious??

I notice that in Debian, these directories seem to be provided by
the libc6-dev package.  Are you saying that providing libc6-dev is kept
reasonably uptodate, these links are not necessary?

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

I think it is time for my canned posting about how kernel
 header files are handled by Debian.

manoj


$Id: README.headers,v 1.7 1998/07/14 21:18:38 srivasta Exp $

 This is the Debian GNU/Linux prepackaged version of the Linux kernel
 headers. Linux was written by Linus Torvalds
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others.

 This package was put together by Simon Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED], from
 sources retrieved from directories under
 ftp.cs.helsinki.fi:/pub/Software/Linux/Kernel/

 This package contains the Linux kernel header files. 


 Kernel Headers and libc6-dev package
 
 

Need for kernel include files
 === == === =
   
Even though GNU libc 2.0 (a.k.a. libc6) provides an uniform
 interface to C programmers, one should realize that it needs
 different underpinnings on different architectures and operating
 systems (remember, glibc2 is multi-OS).

glibc provides all the standard files that the C standard and
 POSIX require, and those in turn call in OS and platform specific
 headers as required transparently to the user. There is an a complete
 divorce of the kernel-level interface from the user-level interface:
 the application programmer does not need to know kernel level details
 at all.

 But this has been taken by some to mean that
 /usr/include/{linux,asm} would be superfluous, which is a technical
 impossibility given that glibc2 is not an architecture and OS
 specific library.

I do not believe it is easy for glibc to present an interface
 that does not match the underlying OS, and quite possibly people just
 punted. If there is a mismatch between the user level structures and
 the kernel level structures, then libc6 library shall have to install
 translating wrappers around system calls (not such a great idea for
 high performance systems). I can foresee cases where it would not be
 possible to implement these wrappers, given a sufficiently large set
 of architectures and OS's.

In the case of Linux, the kernel header files are the
 underpinnings of the architecture independent interface.

Take a simple general ANSI C include file like errno.h. This
 in turn includes /usr/include/errnos.h, which includes
 /usr/include/linux/errno.h, which in turn includes
 /usr/include/asm/errno.h. See? A simple, standard include file like
 errno.h, and one needs kernel include files for that.

   Traditional two symlink approach
   === === ===   

Under libc5, it was standard for part of the user interface to
 libc to be exported from the kernel includes, via /usr/include/linux
 and /usr/include/asm.  Traditionally, this was done by linking those
 two directories to the appropriate directories in
 /usr/src/linux/include.  This is the method documented in the install
 instructions for the kernel sources, even today.


   Why that is bad
   ===  == ===

Kernel headers no longer make sense exporting to user space
 (in early days of Linux, that was not true). It is beginning to get
 harder to synchronize the libc and the kernel headers as in the old
 days; now linking with the latest kernel headers may subtly break new
 code since the headers linked with are different from the compiled
 library. In addition, the specter of programs breaking with new
 kernel headers was preventing needed new features from being added to
 the kernel (and damping innovative experimentation in kernel
 development) (see appendix A for details).
  
Besides, the kernel itself no longer needs /usr/include/linux/* 
  at all, so keeping the libc and kernel headers the same aren't
  needed for kernel development.

The headers were included in Debian's libc5-dev after a rash
 of very buggy alpha kernel releases (1.3.7* or something like that)
 that proceeded to break compilations, etc.  Kernel versions are
 changed far more rapidly than libc is, and there are higher chances
 that people install a custom kernel than they install custom libc.

Add to that the fact that few programs really need the more
 volatile elements of the header files (that is, things that really
 change from kernel version to kernel version), [before you reject
 this, consider: programs compiled on one kernel version usually work
 on other kernels]. For the few that do need specific kernel headers,
 use -I/usr/src/kernel-headers-version or some thing for a specific
 kernel version, or -I/usr/src/linux/include for the latest set of
 headers installed..

Most programs, even if they include linux/something.h, do
 not really depend on the version of the kernel, as long as the kernel
 versions are not too far off, they will work. And the headers
 provided in libc5-dev (and 

Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Mark Phillips

Hi,

I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel.  Unfortunately there is
not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the upstream
version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created links and followed the
instructions for make-kpkg in order to make a kernel image package.
Unfortunately it didn't compile, coming up with compile errors such as

/usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t'
/usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous declaration
of `mode_t'

/usr/include/time.h:66: warning: redefinition of `clock_t'
/usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:50: warning: `clock_t'
previously declared here

There are a number of such error messages.  I don't know what to do here! 

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Mark.


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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,
Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Mark I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel.  Unfortunately there is
 Mark not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the
 Mark upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created
 Mark links

What links did you create? Please uncreate those links and try
 again, I fear that may be part of the problem.

 Mark and followed the instructions for make-kpkg in order to
 Mark make a kernel image package.  Unfortunately it didn't compile,
 Mark coming up with compile errors such as

 Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t'
 Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous 
declaration
 Mark of `mode_t'

Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to
 be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header
 files outside of the kernel source tree.

manoj

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Mark Phillips
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

  Mark I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel.  Unfortunately there is
  Mark not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the
  Mark upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created
  Mark links
 
   What links did you create? Please uncreate those links and try
  again, I fear that may be part of the problem.

The links I created were:

cd /usr/include

mv asm asm.old
mv linux linux.old
mv scsi scsi.old
ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/asm-i386 asm
ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/scsi scsi

as well as

cd /usr/src

ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31 linux


I have also tried using make-kpkg without using the first three links
above (ie using the existing directories) and in both cases I get the same
compile errors. 

I have tried unmaking and making these links again and following again
your instructions in /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz but I still get the
same problems.

  Mark and followed the instructions for make-kpkg in order to
  Mark make a kernel image package.  Unfortunately it didn't compile,
  Mark coming up with compile errors such as
 
  Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t'
  Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous 
 declaration
  Mark of `mode_t'
 
   Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to
  be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header
  files outside of the kernel source tree.

I agree it seems seriously wrong.  It seems to be linking with header
files provided by libc6-dev (that's where /usr/include/sys/types.h comes
from).

I am at a loss to know what to try next.

I imagine gcc would only look in a place like /usr/include/sys/types.h if
it believed the types.h file could not be found in the kernel source tree.
(I am guessing that libc6-dev sets up /usr/include/sys as a default
location to look for things??)  But I notice there are many types.h
files in the kernel source tree, so what's going on?

Mark.

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Mark Phillips
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

 Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t'
  Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous 
 declaration
  Mark of `mode_t'
 
   Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to
  be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header
  files outside of the kernel source tree.

I should add that the file /usr/include/sys/types.h, according to the
error output, is included from /usr/include/stdlib.h which in turn is
included from scc.c.  

Perhaps there is a bug in scc.c --- I think I'll try and exclude this
option from the .config file --- if I can work out which option it is (any
clues?)

Cheers,

Mark.

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,
Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Mark On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 Mark I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel.  Unfortunately there is
 Mark not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the
 Mark upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created
 Mark links
  
  What links did you create? Please uncreate those links and try
  again, I fear that may be part of the problem.

 Mark The links I created were:
 SNIP
I compile kernels in /usr/local all the time, and I never have
 created any of these links ... they are not required. 

 Mark I am at a loss to know what to try next.

Me too. I can only tell you what works for me, which is: I
 unpack kernel sources in /usr/local/src/kernel; I ignore the bit
 about symlinks, and I use make-kpkg; but it has been a while since I
 tried 2.0.31 (if I ever did); is there areason you can't just go to
 2.0.3[45]? 

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Mark Phillips
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

  Mark I am at a loss to know what to try next.
 
   Me too. I can only tell you what works for me, which is: I
  unpack kernel sources in /usr/local/src/kernel; I ignore the bit
  about symlinks, and I use make-kpkg; but it has been a while since I
  tried 2.0.31 (if I ever did); is there areason you can't just go to
  2.0.3[45]? 

Yes.  I'm actually trying to get a Xircom ethernet/modem PCMCIA card
to configure properly on a digital laptop.  I have been in contact with
another guy with exactly the same laptop who has got it working using
RedHat.  We can't find anything wrong with what I am doing.  The only
possibility is that he is using version 2.0.31 of kernel and version 3.0.1
of card services.  Where as I have been using kernel 2.0.2[34] and version
3.0.3[4] of card services.

Given that I have exhausted other avenues, it seemed to me that it would
be good to install kernel 2.0.31 to see if the problem lies with later
kernels.

But now I can't even get 2.0.31 to compile.  Ahhh!

The problem seems to occur in compiling scc.c which seems to be some kind
of ham radio driver --- in doing a make menuconfig, I looked to see if I
could deselect this driver but it didn't seem to be mentioned by name.  If
I can get it to not be compiled, perhaps I can avoid these problems ---
much of the rest of it seemed to compile okay.  Any ideas?

Cheers,

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Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile

1998-08-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

in make menuconfig, turn off anythig you do not need
 immediately, like any unknown drivers. (look at makefiles and .config
 to know what to turn off).

I too have a hinote vp 575 laptop and a Xircom ehternet/modem
 card, but I have not yet loaded Linux on the laptop -- I'sd
 appreciate it if you would keep me posted. I did put base on the
 machine, and the card was recognized without putting pcmcia on the
 system. I'll mail reports back here.

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Re: autofs and 2.0.31

1997-11-14 Thread Olivier THARAN
On Thu, Nov 13, 1997 at 11:48:38PM +, G. Kapetanios wrote:
 I have compiled a 2.0.31 kernel. One of the reasons for doing so was to
 use autofs. However when I did make menuconfig I didn't see an option for
 autofs support. I thought it was in the kernel anyway and instaled he
 package. However the package does not find autofs support and won't start.
 Does anyone use this package? If yes, how I go about activating autofs
 support ?

Maybe you should answer 'y' to the 'Prompt for development and/or
incomplete code/drivers' question (that is the first one) when you do the
make menuconfig; it will ask lots of new questions about experimental
drivers, among which you will find the autofs question -- in the FS
section. We have autofs working with a 2.0.31 kernel here, so you're not
an isolated case!

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Re: 2.0.31 kernel - SCSI problems

1997-11-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
I tried 2.0.31, but found that it broke my SCSI system - it would no longer
acknowledge the existence of tapedrive or scanner.  This was apparent at
boot-time, when they no longer appeared on the SCSI device list.

I am using an Adaptec 2940UW with the aic7xxx SCSI kernel code.

I wanted this kernel to use with the new isdnutils package, which requires it.
Can anyone suggest how to get the SCSI code working right? 

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autofs and 2.0.31

1997-11-14 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote -
 I have compiled a 2.0.31 kernel. One of the reasons for doing so was to
 use autofs. However when I did make menuconfig I didn't see an option for
 autofs support. I thought it was in the kernel anyway and instaled he
 package. However the package does not find autofs support and won't start.
 Does anyone use this package? If yes, how I go about activating autofs
 support ?

I remember seeing some such problem too.  Try the following -

* Make sure you have chosen 'y' for 'Prompt for experimental modules /
drivers'.  autofs support is still considered to be experimental.

* I would recommend 'make config'.  I definitely saw 'autofs' support
when I configured this way.

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autofs and 2.0.31

1997-11-13 Thread G. Kapetanios

Hi,

I have compiled a 2.0.31 kernel. One of the reasons for doing so was to
use autofs. However when I did make menuconfig I didn't see an option for
autofs support. I thought it was in the kernel anyway and instaled he
package. However the package does not find autofs support and won't start.
Does anyone use this package? If yes, how I go about activating autofs
support ?
 Thanks
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2.0.31 kernel

1997-11-13 Thread G. Kapetanios

Hi,

I have just installed 2.0.31. I have heard from the list that it might be
unstable. However, the statistical package I use for my work seems to be
working noticeably faster with this kernel. Has anyone noticed any marked
performance improvement or am I mistaken ?

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2.0.31: no more than 8 swap partitions, memory leaks?

1997-11-10 Thread Francesco Potorti`
Hi,

I am testing a new installation of 2.0.31 on the latetest stable
Debian.  Two things to notice up to now.

I left a torture test run on disks (three Bonnie processes running in
parallel).  All was okay, apparently.  While doing so, I tried to run
mirror on the Debian ftp site, and mirror grew in memory up to 100 MB
or so (exhausting all virtual memory).  At that point, every program I
tried to execute (ls or ps, for example) dumped core.  That's not nice
behaviour.  What's worst, memory remained in use after having managed
to kill mirror.  With an idle system, memory occupancy reported by
free was 50 MB higher than just after reboot.  Is 2.0.31 known to
suffer from memory leaks and bad behaviour when exhausting virtual
memory?  That would be very bad for a Unix kernel.  What is the latest
really stable kernel?  2.0.27?

Another thing is that swapon does not let me add more than 8 swap
partitions.  I read in the FAQ that up to 16 were allowed, but that
number is not reported in the swapon(8) nor in the swapon(2)
manpages.

Moreover, swapon -s will fail, telling that no /proc/swaps is
present.  That's true, but shouldn't have it been created by the
Debian installation?  How can I create it?

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2.0.31 kernel source

1997-11-08 Thread G. Kapetanios

Does anyone know when the kernel-source-2.0.31 package will be ready ?
Or is it exactly the same as the tar.gz source files available from, say,
www.kernel.org in which case getting that would do the job ?

 Thanks
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Re: 2.0.31 kernel source

1997-11-08 Thread Scott Ellis
On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

 Does anyone know when the kernel-source-2.0.31 package will be ready ?
 Or is it exactly the same as the tar.gz source files available from, say,
 www.kernel.org in which case getting that would do the job ?

Fetching the source from www.kernel.org will work fine (just don't make
the /usr/include/{linux,asm} links that the kernel code suggests.  Running
make-kpkg (available as the kernel-package package) will build a .deb that
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Re: [Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-29 Thread Olivier THARAN
On Tue, Oct 28, 1997 at 12:55:45PM -0700, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:
 Speaking of automounting, have any of you folks come across a way of
 automounting SMB volumes?  I don't like smbclient/smbmount.

The autofs-pre15 patch updates the man page to show such an example, the
code might be already in 0.3.14, so it's worth a try (but if it is not,
that would be one good reason to re-compile the thing ;) 

Put the following in your map :

windoze-fstype=smbfs   ://windoze/c

(from the man page : [This] makes a share exported from a Windows machine
available for automounting.)

Hope this helps,

olive
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Re: [Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-29 Thread Carey Evans
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Speaking of automounting, have any of you folks come across a way of
 automounting SMB volumes?  I don't like smbclient/smbmount.

You could look at rumba, which might not be in Debian.  It does SMB
mounting in an NFS-like way, which might work with autofs.  Or it
might not.

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Re: [Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-29 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
I actually looked at rumba with a view to packaging it for Debian.  I
think it could be a useful contribution.  However I had a devil of a time
trying to compile it.  Apparently it partly uses code directly from the
kernel source and headers which as we know change rapidly.  I got a
massive amount of errors with libc6 and 2.0.30.

Hopefully there is something I'm missing but it looks to me like it would
need a big rewrite to work with current Debian systems and that's beyond
my capabilities.  If anyone else wants to try, please do.  It could be a
nice addition.

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On 29 Oct 1997, Carey Evans wrote:

 Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Speaking of automounting, have any of you folks come across a way of
  automounting SMB volumes?  I don't like smbclient/smbmount.
 
 You could look at rumba, which might not be in Debian.  It does SMB
 mounting in an NFS-like way, which might work with autofs.  Or it
 might not.
 
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[Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-28 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
Hi,

Thanks, first of all, to all the folks who answered my questions on
getting Sound and CD to work on my Compaq DeskPro XL.

I have been fooling around with kernel 2.0.31 that I downloaded from
funet.fi  I see that autofs support is included with this release of the
kernel.  Are there docs on autofs?  I am currently using amd and would
like to switch to autofs.  I also downloaded autofs-0.3.14  This has the
autofs deamons and modules and a patchfile for kernel 2.0.30  I am
unable to compile kernel 2.0.30 with autofs support.  That is the reason
I moved up to kernel 2.0.31

How should I proceed with kernel 2.0.31 and autofs?  Would the autofs
deamon 0.3.14 wouk with the autofs support in kernel 2.0.31?

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Re: [Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-28 Thread Olivier THARAN
On Tue, Oct 28, 1997 at 10:56:28AM -0700, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:
 How should I proceed with kernel 2.0.31 and autofs?  Would the autofs
 deamon 0.3.14 wouk with the autofs support in kernel 2.0.31?

I'd say, if the patches for autofs are included in 2.0.31, go ahead, just
install autofs-0.3.14 and use the kernel configured for autofs support. It
has worked fine for some time now in the 2.1.x series, so I suppose the
2.0.31 support is the latest.

Installation of the daemon is fairly easy, just let it install, and make
your maps /etc/auto.master with everything sensible. Then, launch the
daemon and here you go!

If you have any problems, feel free to tell me, I've installed autofs
without a glitch.

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Re: [Q] autofs and kernel 2.0.31

1997-10-28 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
Olivier THARAN wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 28, 1997 at 10:56:28AM -0700, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:
  How should I proceed with kernel 2.0.31 and autofs?  Would the autofs
  deamon 0.3.14 wouk with the autofs support in kernel 2.0.31?
 I'd say, if the patches for autofs are included in 2.0.31, go ahead, just
 install autofs-0.3.14 and use the kernel configured for autofs support. It
 has worked fine for some time now in the 2.1.x series, so I suppose the
 2.0.31 support is the latest.
 
 Installation of the daemon is fairly easy, just let it install, and make
 your maps /etc/auto.master with everything sensible. Then, launch the
 daemon and here you go!

I just found an even better method.  Just downloaded autofs from hamm
(unstable).  I prefer the Debian distribution to a local installation. 
If the hamm autofs installation goes OK I'm set.  If it does not work
out, I can always make a local installation of autofs.

Speaking of automounting, have any of you folks come across a way of
automounting SMB volumes?  I don't like smbclient/smbmount.

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-24 Thread Torsten Hilbrich
Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
 2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?

I noticed the following strange bugs:

- a similiar to the one you reported some days before:

Sep 24 19:59:39 marvin kernel: Warning: dev (03:02) tty-count(1) != \
#fd's(2) in do_tty_hangup

  but this time for terminals and not for serial devices

- the aix7xxx driver seems to be very unstable when enabling any of
  the new features like SCB paging.  Especially when accessing SCSI
  tapes the system could crash with this enabled (due the crashing I
  have no lines in my logs :-(, I only see them on my tty12).

I'm currently using 2.0.31pre9 with patch 10-2.  But as this version
(of course with SCB paging disabled) is more stable than 2.0.30 I use
still use it.

I didn't notices any crashes (expect due the scsi driver) yet.

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Joey Hess
Lindsay Allen wrote:
 I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
 2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?

Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead
of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). 

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Jim Pick

Yes.  I was having a problem with PPP - after 6-8 hours it would drop the
connection, and then die shortly after reconnecting with the messages in
/var/log/ppp.log

Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: No response to 5 echo-requests
Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: Connection terminated.

Getting rid of the module and then reloading it seemed to cure the
problem for at least the next 6-8 hours.

There have been reports of memory leaks with 2.0.31 - I wonder?

And then last night while I was sleeping, the whole machine locked up 
solid on me.  No error messages, nothing on the screen.

I'm using 2.0.30 now - just to see if the problems go away.  I think they
have.

I'm going to take another stab at 2.0.31 to see if I can figure out the
PPP problem at least -- I'm running LinuxHQ now, so it's about time I
learned how to do some serious kernel hacking.  

So be careful with 2.0.31 - it's a massive upgrade (7 months, 976K patch
from 2.0.30) - so there are going to be lots and lots of bugs.

(Arrgh, just found a HTML bug on the changes page on LinuxHQ - nobody
 told me!)

Cheers,

 - Jim



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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote:

 Lindsay Allen wrote:
  I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
  2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?
 
 Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead
 of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). 
 
I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map
file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without
module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load
and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem?
That is, are you using kerneld?

Luck,

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Udjat the BitMeister...
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote:

 
 I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
 2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?

Nope, Not a problem here. It seems to know my hardware well.
Granted I have only a three day uptime since the new kernel reboot.

7:45am  up 2 days, 20:52h,  5 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02
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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread kestrel
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote:

 I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map
 file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without
 module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load
 and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem?
 That is, are you using kerneld?
 
I'm using kerneld and loading the ip_masq_ and bsd_comp modules, sound
and all other things I need are compiled in, I've had it running a few days
with no errors, and I found they fixed the SB configuration bug in make
menuconfig

These are the stats on my system with the new kernel:

Linux shadow 2.0.31 #1 Sun Oct 19 15:49:24 EDT 1997 i486 unknown

BTW: I am running an unstable system, using most of the packages in
hamm/base except sysklogd which I suspect crashed my system before.

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Joey Hess
Dale Scheetz wrote:
 I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map
 file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without
 module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load
 and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem?
 That is, are you using kerneld?

Yes, I'm using kerneld. The module that loads and uploads the most here (the
only one that's likely to do so in the night when I'm gone) is the sound
module. My error message I once saw was this: kite kernel: kernel panic:
skput:over: 0014348c:4008. I dunno what it means. Also, the kernel often
crashes within 2 minutes of bootup. It seems unlikely that a module would be
unloading then.

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote:

 Dale Scheetz wrote:
  I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map
  file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without
  module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load
  and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem?
  That is, are you using kerneld?
 
 Yes, I'm using kerneld. The module that loads and uploads the most here (the
 only one that's likely to do so in the night when I'm gone) is the sound
 module. My error message I once saw was this: kite kernel: kernel panic:
 skput:over: 0014348c:4008. I dunno what it means. Also, the kernel often
 crashes within 2 minutes of bootup. It seems unlikely that a module would be
 unloading then.
 
That is exactly when they start unloading!
I once had a pppd problem because I loaded serial as a module. At bootup
it would use setserial to set the proper interupt for the modem. If I
started pppd within 2 minutes of bootup everthing worked fine. If I tried
to start pppd after 2 minutes it would fail because, although serial got
reloaded, it had the wrong, default, interupt values and wouldn't work.

Luck,

Dwarf
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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Joey Hess
Dale Scheetz wrote:
 That is exactly when they start unloading!

Yep, you're right, I've relaized that my sounds module could be unloading
about then.

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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Paul Serice
Dale Scheetz wrote:
 
 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote:
 
  Lindsay Allen wrote:
   I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after
   installing 2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?
 
  Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in
  the dead of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze).
 
 I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than
 the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my
 kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the
 modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it
 possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld?

Same here.  Linux 2.0.31 is running as solid as ever, but I don't use
modules.


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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-22 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote:

 Dale Scheetz wrote:
  That is exactly when they start unloading!
 
 Yep, you're right, I've relaized that my sounds module could be unloading
 about then.
 
Make an explicit entry in /etc/modules for that module and it will stay
installed. (even if you have auto enabled) That's how I fixed the serial
problem I had.

Luck,

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2.0.31

1997-10-21 Thread Lindsay Allen

I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?

Lindsay
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Re: 2.0.31

1997-10-21 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote:

 I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing
 2.0.31.  Anybody else having trouble with it?

Yes. In fact, I had so much troubles with it I am now back to 2.0.30. I
had two problems that caused hardware not to be detected properly:

1. If I compiled support for my 3COM 3c509 card as a module, the module
didn't want to be loaded at all. I got an error about a symbol 'io' that
was missing or something like that. If I compiled it into the kernel there
was nothing wrong with it.
2. My CD-ROM drive would not be detected at all. It is /dev/hdd and when
the IDE-probing gets to hdd, a lot of garbage is displayed and no drive is
found. The boot process continues normally.

I have two network cards, a 3c509 and a NE2000-compatible. My CD-ROM drive
is a Mitsumi double-speed drive with IDE interface. They don't give any
problems with kernels before 2.0.31 (I started using Linux when 2.0.25 was
new).

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Re: 2.0.31 source

1997-10-20 Thread Joost Kooij
On 19 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 19, 1997 at 08:43:07PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
  
  
  On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I downloaded the .31 kernel and tried to do a make menuconfig and got the
   following:
   
   rm -f include/asm
   ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
   make -C scripts/lxdialog all
   make[1]: Entering directory 
   /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
   gcc -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  -DCURSES_LOC=curses.h   
   -c
   lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
   In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
   dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
   make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
   make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
   make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
  
  Looks like a curses problem. Could you get `make config` to work? and
  `make xconfig`?
 
 Do you have installed ncurses3.4-dev ?

I tried this yesterday and it indeed gives that error, probably because I
have ncurses3.4-dev installed.

Apparently `make menuconfig` breaks because it is confused about the new
headers. It is very simple to fix; just do:

  cd /usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog
  make clean all
  cd /usr/src/linux
  make menuconfig

and it will work fine again. 

Hope this helps you,

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Re: 2.0.31 kernel

1997-10-19 Thread Joel Klecker
1997-10-18 at approximately 09:58 AM -0700, Shaleh wrote:
 Anyone care to give their opinion on the new 2.0.31 kernel?  Manoj any
 idea when the package will be out?

Why wait? Just use the kernel-package package. If that's installed, take
a look at /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, kernel-package allows one
to build a kernel-image, kernel-source, or kernel-headers (or all
three) package from any Linux kernel source tree.

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2.0.31 source

1997-10-19 Thread kestrel
I downloaded the .31 kernel and tried to do a make menuconfig and got the
following:

rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
gcc -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  -DCURSES_LOC=curses.h   -c
lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2

any ideas on what needs to be done to get it to work? or any ideas onwhen
the debian package for .31 will be available?

oh and I am using libc6 on my system with the libc6 dev packages.

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Re: 2.0.31 source

1997-10-19 Thread Joost Kooij


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I downloaded the .31 kernel and tried to do a make menuconfig and got the
 following:
 
 rm -f include/asm
 ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
 make -C scripts/lxdialog all
 make[1]: Entering directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
 gcc -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  -DCURSES_LOC=curses.h   -c
 lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
 In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
 dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2

Looks like a curses problem. Could you get `make config` to work? and
`make xconfig`?



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Re: 2.0.31 source

1997-10-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Oct 19, 1997 at 08:43:07PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
 
 
 On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I downloaded the .31 kernel and tried to do a make menuconfig and got the
  following:
  
  rm -f include/asm
  ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
  make -C scripts/lxdialog all
  make[1]: Entering directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
  gcc -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  -DCURSES_LOC=curses.h   -c
  lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
  In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
  dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
  make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
  make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/scripts/lxdialog'
  make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
 
 Looks like a curses problem. Could you get `make config` to work? and
 `make xconfig`?

Do you have installed ncurses3.4-dev ?

Marcus

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2.0.31 kernel

1997-10-18 Thread Shaleh
Anyone care to give their opinion on the new 2.0.31 kernel?  Manoj any
idea when the package will be out?


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Re: 2.0.31 kernel

1997-10-18 Thread Wiria Amadja Kusuma
I had sucessfully installed the 2.0.31 2 days ago, have not working out
about the advantage of it, a major notice after rebooting is the
disappearance of pci unknown, where it used to be coming out every time I
boot my 2.0.30 kernel, that is all I know..:-)

good luck
kusuma

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Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 11:56 PM
Subject: 2.0.31 kernel


Anyone care to give their opinion on the new 2.0.31 kernel?  Manoj any
idea when the package will be out?


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Wreski

 I agree with jon here.  A few weeks ago i tried to compile and run a
 pre-release of 2.0.31 and had all kinds of problems.  I went back to
 2.0.30 and everything has been peachy so far.

There were two different threads of development for 2.0.31.  For a few
months David Miller was doing the development, and submitting the patches
to Linus.  Then a few people pissed off David, and he stopped.

Linus picked it up later, starting with a completely redesigned pre3, and
now we're at pre7.  If you find problems, be sure to report them, so they
don't appear in 2.0.31.

Dave


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Wreski


  Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
  in the bunch...

   what's wrong with 2.0.30? am i missing something?

I've accidentally deleted the message that talked about ip_masq being
fixed in 2.0.30.  I think it is fixed by applying a patch to 2.0.30, not
by default.  Does everyone know about www.linuxhq.com?

Dave


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Pete Harlan
When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches
...
  with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
...
 Out of curiosity what's so evil about 2.0.30?

It is the first kernel I've tried since 0.99pl8 that I couldn't keep
running.  We had immediate trouble with our network card, a 3c590, due
to a broken driver.  Other folks have had trouble with it under low
memory conditions, due to some changes that were supposed to speed
things up from 2.0.29.  If you run badblocks -w on a partition
(note: this will wipe out your partition!) you will exhaust your
buffers and experience problems on 2.0.30.

We've had no problems whatsoever running pre-patch-7 applied to
2.0.30; I'd recommend at least testing it, because if you don't find
problems with it it will soon become 2.0.31.  (After a couple of known
minorkinks are worked out.)

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Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Paul Miller
When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
all the way up to 5.

-Paul


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Tall cool one
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I have been just WAINTING for someone to bring this up.  In my personal
 opinion, Linus is making a mistake by introducing new features in the
 release tree and it results in having two development trees going at the

  Which features in 2.0.31 are the new ones you're objecting to?  Almost all
of them are driver updates, buffer chache fixes, security patches and
finally SMP fixes. The buffer cache problem has been _extermely_ difficult
and unfortunately is one of those things that needs time to test in order to
insure that it actually fixes things (.31-7 seems to be broken for example).

 same time.  Somehow the old way of releasing bug-fixes only in the stable
 tree has changed to introducing features from the develpment tree into the
 stable tree. This results in things breaking and a lot of effort spent on
 fixes that might in turn break something else, etc.

  And that led to _everyone_ using the development kernels, getting burnt
and complaining that Linux was a moving target that no one could develop for.
Hence the reasoning to backport some new improvements, mostly just driver
updates to keep people from installing 2.1.45 and blowing away their
filesystem and getting on all the mailing lists and raising a stink.

 From my reading of the kernel developers list, .31 has become like
 squeezing a water balloon. As of last night I was reading about bugs in
 pre.31-7 but Linus has made noises about freezing .31 and going to .32 if
 need be because they HAVE to get fixes out for .30 which is pretty poor
 when it comes to virtual memory management.

  Personally I think it was a problem of waiting too long to do .31 (thanks
to a couple of whiners), just too many patches to put in the pot.

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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Wreski


 I have been just WAINTING for someone to bring this up.  In my personal
 opinion, Linus is making a mistake by introducing new features in the
 release tree and it results in having two development trees going at the
 same time.  Somehow the old way of releasing bug-fixes only in the stable
 tree has changed to introducing features from the develpment tree into the
 stable tree. This results in things breaking and a lot of effort spent on
 fixes that might in turn break something else, etc.

Which new features are you talking about?  Be sure not to confuse
increased support for some devices with adding new features.  I remember
before 1.2.13 came out how everyone rushed around to get support for the
Adaptec aic7xxx series of boards, and having to apply a patch to get my
board to be recognized, let alone acknowledged as being stable..  We don't
want that to happen again..

 From my reading of the kernel developers list, .31 has become like
 squeezing a water balloon. As of last night I was reading about bugs in
 pre.31-7 but Linus has made noises about freezing .31 and going to .32 if
 need be because they HAVE to get fixes out for .30 which is pretty poor
 when it comes to virtual memory management.

They are now actively persuing development of .30.  It seemed for a while
work on the 2.0 series had stopped.  Linus planned to release 2.0.31 last
weekend, if there were no more problems..  Well, it hasn't been released
yet...

Dave


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread J. Paul Reed
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Wreski wrote:

  When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
  all the way up to 5.
 
 They are up to pre-7 now.  Looks like there's still a few problems to be
 worked out, to be sure we have a nice stable kernel.  The best thing you
 can do at this point is to install pre-7 on all your machines, and test it
 heavily, to be sure there are no bugs.  And be sure to report the ones you
 do find, so we're sure to have a stable one..

I would say for those of us who don't know how (or don't want to) mess
with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
leave it at that.

Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
in the bunch...

Later,
Paul
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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Adam Beatham


On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, J. Paul Reed wrote:

 
 I would say for those of us who don't know how (or don't want to) mess
 with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
 leave it at that.
 
 Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
 in the bunch...
 

what's wrong with 2.0.30? am i missing something?

thanks
-adam



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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Paul Miller
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, J. Paul Reed wrote:

 On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Wreski wrote:
 
   When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
   all the way up to 5.
  
  They are up to pre-7 now.  Looks like there's still a few problems to be
  worked out, to be sure we have a nice stable kernel.  The best thing you
  can do at this point is to install pre-7 on all your machines, and test it
  heavily, to be sure there are no bugs.  And be sure to report the ones you
  do find, so we're sure to have a stable one..
 
 I would say for those of us who don't know how (or don't want to) mess
 with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
 leave it at that.
 
 Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
 in the bunch...

I believe IP Masquerading was fixed in 2.0.30.. so I must run at least .30


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Christopher Smith
J. Paul Reed wrote:

 On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Wreski wrote:

   When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
   all the way up to 5.
 
  They are up to pre-7 now.  Looks like there's still a few problems to be
  worked out, to be sure we have a nice stable kernel.  The best thing you
  can do at this point is to install pre-7 on all your machines, and test it
  heavily, to be sure there are no bugs.  And be sure to report the ones you
  do find, so we're sure to have a stable one..

 I would say for those of us who don't know how (or don't want to) mess
 with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
 leave it at that.

 Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
 in the bunch...

Out of curiosity what's so evil about 2.0.30?

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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread jon torrez
boy, your slighly behind :)

Its up to pre7 -- its too bad that the pre's are having more trouble on
the even note than the development i run 2.1.50 at home just peachy and
here at LBJ High School we run 2.0.30 pre3 with a few little nicks here
and there and its buggy :(

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On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote:

 When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
 all the way up to 5.
 
 -Paul
 


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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread J. Paul Reed
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Christopher Smith wrote:

 J. Paul Reed wrote:
 
  On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Wreski wrote:
 
When is 31 going to be finished?  There are already pre-31 patches out..
all the way up to 5.
  
   They are up to pre-7 now.  Looks like there's still a few problems to be
   worked out, to be sure we have a nice stable kernel.  The best thing you
   can do at this point is to install pre-7 on all your machines, and test it
   heavily, to be sure there are no bugs.  And be sure to report the ones you
   do find, so we're sure to have a stable one..
 
  I would say for those of us who don't know how (or don't want to) mess
  with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and
  leave it at that.
 
  Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30
  in the bunch...
 
 Out of curiosity what's so evil about 2.0.30?

Nothing particularly evil; but if we're up to pre-patch 7, there were
(are) obviously some problems with it (and I can't seem to remember what
they specifically are; as I remember it was something to do with some
esoteric networking thing or something...)

I personally like the number 2.0.30 better than 2.0.29, but doesn't mean
I'd run that kernel ;) I think I'll wait for 2.0.31, unless it turns out
it has some nasty bugs too.

As a friend of mine was explaining it, the non-development kernels are for
the most part pretty stable, but if you find a bug, lots of things can
break then :)

Later,
Paul
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Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-22 Thread Juan Jose Casero
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, jon torrez wrote:

 boy, your slighly behind :)
 
 Its up to pre7 -- its too bad that the pre's are having more trouble on
 the even note than the development i run 2.1.50 at home just peachy and
 here at LBJ High School we run 2.0.30 pre3 with a few little nicks here
 and there and its buggy :(
 


I agree with jon here.  A few weeks ago i tried to compile and run a
pre-release of 2.0.31 and had all kinds of problems.  I went back to
2.0.30 and everything has been peachy so far.

Cheers 

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kernel errors under Linux pre-patch-2.0.31-3

1997-08-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith

I tested the kernel pre-patch-2.0.31-3 from www.linuxhq.com
because it's got support for hardware I use.  I use Debian 1.3
with upgrades for 2.1.X kernels.

Under this kernel, I'm logging errors like:

Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address e0202024
current-tss.cr3 = 00742000, Lr3 = 00742000
*pde = 
Oops: 
CPU:0
EIP:0010:[free_wait+40/68]
EFLAGS: 00010007
eax: 033b3000   ebx: 033b3018   ecx: 20202020   edx: 20202020
esi: 0207   edi: 0070ce9c   ebp:    esp: 0070ce74
ds: 0018   es: 0018   fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
Process emacs (pid: 186, process nr: 37, stackpage=0070c000)
Stack: 0006 0037d180  0012c66e 0070ce9c 0100  b638 
   0816c0a4 033b3000 0002 033b3000 0012c8c7 0006 0070cf54 0070cf14 
   0070ced4 0070cf74 0070cf34 0070cef4 0816c0a4 0400 b5dc b6d0 
Call Trace: [do_select+414/484] [sys_select+387/596] [old_select+63/80] 
[system_call+85/128] 
Code: 8b 42 04 39 d8 74 05 89 c2 eb f5 90 89 4a 04 56 9d 8b 0f 85 


Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address e0202020
current-tss.cr3 = 00101000, Lr3 = 00101000
*pde = 
Oops: 
CPU:0
EIP:0010:[wake_up_interruptible+53/220]
EFLAGS: 00010012
eax: 0112ff50   ebx: 20202030   ecx: 0112ff50   edx: 20202020
esi: 0112fec4   edi: 0112ff4c   ebp: 0070cd84   esp: 0070cd78
ds: 0018   es: 0018   fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
Process emacs (pid: 186, process nr: 37, stackpage=0070c000)
Stack: 03928580 0112fec4 0112fec4 03c50810 00129f71 0112ff50 00122384 0112fec4 
   03928580  03928580 001223f4 03928580 0112fec4 0027 0003 
   0001 00116782 03928580 002b 0014 0070d000 0070ce38 0010aba3 
Call Trace: [pipe_read_release+21/28] [__fput+28/64] [close_fp+76/92] 
[do_exit+274/492] [die_if_kernel+695/704] [0500] [0480] 
   [pmgr_read+12/352] [do_page_fault+698/716] [do_page_fault+0/716] 
[tty_select+145/164] [error_code+64/80] [free_wait+40/68] [do_select+414/484] 
[sys_select+387/596] 
   [old_select+63/80] [system_call+85/128] 
Code: 8b 02 83 f8 01 75 5e 9c 5e fa c7 02 00 00 00 00 83 7a 4c 00 

The errors have caused X to freeze up and die, but not no system crash 
so far.  The first time I booted this kernel, `su' and `bash' would
seg fault, but I'm haven't been able to reproduce this.

Is this worth a bug report to kernel developers? (Linus?)
What should I track down?  What info should be included, and where should
the report be sent?

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Re: dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-05 Thread Christoph Lameter
It looks like I have to retract that change. Linus has released another pre 
patch for 2.0.31 today
without the SO_BINDTODEVICE patches. You can find the necessary patches at 
www.linuxhq.com.

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote:

:  : I wanted to upgrade my DHCP daemon to the latest upstream version
:  : that is already packaged in Hamm (dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2). However,
:  : the package says that it won't work with kernels = 2.0.30 so
:  : it needs at least 2.0.31.
:  
:  There was a promise made to release 2.0.31 soon a while back. The already
:  existing pre-patches to 2.0.31 provide functionality to make DHCP able to
:  use multiple interfaces.
:  
:  Build your kernel using these patches and everything will work.

: I assume you meant that the patches are for 2.0.30.

: Were are these patches located.

: Thanks,

: -- 
: Jean Pierre



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Re: dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-05 Thread Nils Rennebarth
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On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote:

It looks like I have to retract that change. Linus has released another
pre patch for 2.0.31 today without the SO_BINDTODEVICE patches. You can
find the necessary patches at www.linuxhq.com. 
Where? I couldn't identify any of the Linux 2.0 Unofficial Patches with
the SO_BINDTODEVICE patch.

Nils

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Re: dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-05 Thread Christoph Lameter
2.0.31-pre2 for example

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Nils Rennebarth wrote:

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On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote:

It looks like I have to retract that change. Linus has released another
pre patch for 2.0.31 today without the SO_BINDTODEVICE patches. You can
find the necessary patches at www.linuxhq.com. 
Where? I couldn't identify any of the Linux 2.0 Unofficial Patches with
the SO_BINDTODEVICE patch.

Nils

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Re: dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-04 Thread Christoph Lameter
: I wanted to upgrade my DHCP daemon to the latest upstream version
: that is already packaged in Hamm (dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2). However,
: the package says that it won't work with kernels = 2.0.30 so
: it needs at least 2.0.31.

: How come this happens when 2.0.31 hasn't been released yet? Is it
: a missunderstanding on my part?

There was a promise made to release 2.0.31 soon a while back. The already
existing pre-patches to 2.0.31 provide functionality to make DHCP able to
use multiple interfaces.

Build your kernel using these patches and everything will work.

: I had to go back to dhpcd 0.5.14 because indeed it did not work at all
: with my 2.0.30 kernel.

Please use the stable version if you do not follow Linux Development Projects.
I will retract the newer release if there is no Linux 2.0.31 at the end of
our development cycle.

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Re: dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-04 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote:

 : I wanted to upgrade my DHCP daemon to the latest upstream version
 : that is already packaged in Hamm (dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2). However,
 : the package says that it won't work with kernels = 2.0.30 so
 : it needs at least 2.0.31.
 
 There was a promise made to release 2.0.31 soon a while back. The already
 existing pre-patches to 2.0.31 provide functionality to make DHCP able to
 use multiple interfaces.
 
 Build your kernel using these patches and everything will work.

I assume you meant that the patches are for 2.0.30.

Were are these patches located.

Thanks,

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dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2 - kernel 2.0.31?

1997-08-01 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi,

I wanted to upgrade my DHCP daemon to the latest upstream version
that is already packaged in Hamm (dhpcd_0.5.16.1-2). However,
the package says that it won't work with kernels = 2.0.30 so
it needs at least 2.0.31.

How come this happens when 2.0.31 hasn't been released yet? Is it
a missunderstanding on my part?

I had to go back to dhpcd 0.5.14 because indeed it did not work at all
with my 2.0.30 kernel.

Thanks,

E.-

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linux 2.0.31 (pre-patch-2.0.31.gz)

1997-05-07 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey

I thought you might be interested in this message from David Miller.

Apart from the link that is mentioned in the message, for European users it
might be faster to download from
  ftp://oloon.student.utwente.nl/pub/linux/test-kernels/pre-patch-2.0.31.gz

Good luck!

// Remco van de Meent   
//   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
//   www: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl
//Never make any mistaeks. 

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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:31:09 -0400
From: David S. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Begin testing phase for 2.0.31, README


I have released a first pre-patch set for 2.0.31, it is the first so
it is bound to have some problems, this is why I ask people to begin
testing now if they can do so.

vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre-patch-2.0.31.gz

In particular I know there are some things in this patch set which are
not going to make it into 2.0.31 or are going to be rewritten in a
cleaner manner (the Intel memory size changes are going to be removed,
and the ext2 NO_ATIME support needs to be redone so it is clean like
the 2.1.x version of those changes, also the swap cache diffs will be
disappearing as well...)

Just a brief rundown:

1) Updated networking drivers for Wavelan, and various drivers
   maintained by Donald Becker.  Also an updated de4x5 driver
   from David C. Davies and Matthew Jacob.

2) GDT scsi array driver is now in the tree, this was _long_
   overdue.

3) SO_BINDTODEVICE support has been added to the networking,
   also there is documentation on it under Documentation/networking
   Now the free DHCP server should compile out of the box.

4) Various networking bug fixes, too numerous to mention.  The
   transparent proxying support is still up in the air but we'll
   be working to correct this.

Please test this and report back to us so the real 2.0.31 can be as
solid as humanly possible, thanks...

Finally, don't view anything in this patch set as cast in stone in any
way, if you see something bogus, make note of it to us, but don't lose
your mind over it as if it really did go into the real 2.0.31 kernel.

-
Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth  
199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s   
ethernet.  Beat that! 
-__  o
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