Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Thu 02 Dec 2021 at 05:15:26 (-0600), Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2021 02 Dec 01:07 -0600, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but > > > throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a > > > mischievous kid's cartoon character. > > > > That's exactly what I look like ;) > > Close! Going by your avatar I see when browsing the Planet Debian blog > feed. :-) > > In Mutt running in Gnome Terminal I see a square following the face > (screenshot attached). To me, that's a boy chorister (butter wouldn't melt…), except that the starched ruff should be white. Sigh, more fonts … :) Cheers, David.
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
* On 2021 02 Dec 01:07 -0600, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but > > throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a > > mischievous kid's cartoon character. > > That's exactly what I look like ;) Close! Going by your avatar I see when browsing the Planet Debian blog feed. :-) In Mutt running in Gnome Terminal I see a square following the face (screenshot attached). - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote: As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a mischievous kid's cartoon character. That's exactly what I look like ;) -- Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list. Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Tue 30 Nov 2021 at 10:47:07 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 11:54:16AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail > > Unicode *is* text, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in > limiting what I write to a 7-bit namespace from the 1960s, even if I am > fortunate enough that my chosen names are representable in it. I agree. It's almost as important that people read, or can switch to, a fixed width font when reading technical lists like this one. > > in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them. > > My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable > approximation of my appearance. … bearing in mind that what we see depends on the fonts we have installed. Until Sunday, your emoji had the bouffant/flip of Mary Tyler Moore, but then she got older and lost the flip. If I reverse the colours of the latter, it becomes more like a mop with a parting, say John Lennon before he grew it long. As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a mischievous kid's cartoon character. Cheers, David.
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On 2021-12-01, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Speaking of colour, I work at Red Hat and I have had (U+1F3A9 TOP > HAT) as the shell prompt character for the main RHEL virtual machine I > use for work. At that time, my terminal did not support colour glyphs, > and the font that was used to render that happened to use the Fedora > fedora for that glyph, and I coloured it red using terminal colour > escape codes. Later, IBM bought Red Hat. And at a similar time, I > updated my (Debian) system and gained the ability to display coloured > glyphs. The chosen font to supply that glyph was changed, and my > red-coloured monochrome hat became a blue one. Spooky. For what it's worth, I read this list in slrn via Usenet (linux.debian.user). The "top hat" glyph you include above shows up as a two-character-wide box with tiny hex numbers in it, like this: .---. |01F| |3A9| `---' I'm running Buster on a Lenovo T410. My primary interest in UTF-8 is to display characters with various diacritical marks, which it handles quite well. On the other hand, while composing this reply in Thunderbird, the top hat showed up. BTW at the start of your signature lines I see the following: .---. |01F|01F| |471|3FB| `---' (pencil) .---. |01F| |517| `---' Note: those hex characters are _really_ tiny - even with a magnifying glass I might have misread some of them. In Thunderbird they come out as a blond-haired smiley face with light-coloured skin, a pencil, and a couple of links of chain. I guess Thunderbird's UTF-8 support is quite good. > (This whole thing reminded me of a sub-project I have on the > backburner to map the Debian swirl to a spare unicode code-point; > or, to U+F000 in the private use area, where Apple systems display > the Apple logo. I got as far as importing the swirl graphic into a > OTF format font. I should pick it up!) Fun. >> Again, my apologies. > > No problem. Thank you, Glad I could smooth the waters. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ /| It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. |-- Lily Tomlin
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 09:49:15PM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable approximation of my appearance. That does sound like fun, even though curmudgeons like me might consider it frivolous. I doubt I'll have a hardware/software combination that's capable of displaying all of it anytime soon - I still see tofu on my flip phone - but I'm not trying to stop anyone else from having harmless fun with it. I was a little surprised when this side-thread popped up, and I'd mentally filtered out my signature when reading my own mails. FWIW, the pencil and anchor render fine for me in my usual mail environment (mutt in a terminal), but the emoji person and the skin colour swatch are not combined. They are both individually rendered and in colour, so there's that. Perhaps one day I'll find that something has changed in the software stack and they become so! It does render properly via Firefox in the mailing list archives. Speaking of colour, I work at Red Hat and I have had (U+1F3A9 TOP HAT) as the shell prompt character for the main RHEL virtual machine I use for work. At that time, my terminal did not support colour glyphs, and the font that was used to render that happened to use the Fedora fedora for that glyph, and I coloured it red using terminal colour escape codes. Later, IBM bought Red Hat. And at a similar time, I updated my (Debian) system and gained the ability to display coloured glyphs. The chosen font to supply that glyph was changed, and my red-coloured monochrome hat became a blue one. Spooky. (This whole thing reminded me of a sub-project I have on the backburner to map the Debian swirl to a spare unicode code-point; or, to U+F000 in the private use area, where Apple systems display the Apple logo. I got as far as importing the swirl graphic into a OTF format font. I should pick it up!) Again, my apologies. No problem. Thank you, -- Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list. Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Tue Nov 30 11:54:48 2021 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 11:54:16AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this? We're living >> in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence >> at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination, >> however minor. Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the >> originally all-text form of e-mail > > Since we're talking about my email signature here, this > characterisation you've described is meant to be me. I don't know > what *I've* done for you to describe me that way, but at best it's > irrelevant to debian-user. It's perjorative, and I would ask that you > stop writing perjoratively about me on this mailing list, and go and > re-read the Code of Conduct for participating in Debian. I wasn't aiming it specifically at you, but merely pointing out some conflicting trends that I've been seeing in society at large. On re-reading the thread, I realize that I did fly off the handle. Chalk it up to having read one too many news stories about the Politically Correct 2.0 bullshit that is going on these days. As the old netiquette guidelines suggest, one shouldn't post when tired, drunk, or angry. (I probably qualified for two of the three.) I apologize for having offended you; it was not my intent. >> eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail > > Unicode *is* text, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in > limiting what I write to a 7-bit namespace from the 1960s, even if I > am fortunate enough that my chosen names are representable in it. Indeed, I'm an eager adopter of UTF-8 myself. > in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them. > > My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable > approximation of my appearance. That does sound like fun, even though curmudgeons like me might consider it frivolous. I doubt I'll have a hardware/software combination that's capable of displaying all of it anytime soon - I still see tofu on my flip phone - but I'm not trying to stop anyone else from having harmless fun with it. Again, my apologies. -- cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 11:54:16AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this? We're living in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination, however minor. Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail Since we're talking about my email signature here, this characterisation you've described is meant to be me. I don't know what *I've* done for you to describe me that way, but at best it's irrelevant to debian-user. It's perjorative, and I would ask that you stop writing perjoratively about me on this mailing list, and go and re-read the Code of Conduct for participating in Debian. eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail Unicode *is* text, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in limiting what I write to a 7-bit namespace from the 1960s, even if I am fortunate enough that my chosen names are representable in it. in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them. My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable approximation of my appearance. -- Please do not CC me for listmail. Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Sun 28 Nov 2021 at 11:54:16 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun Nov 28 11:38:54 2021 Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:58:58 -0600 David Wright wrote: > >> On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: > >>> Celejar writes: > >>> > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > installed, or do they see tofu? > >>> > >>> I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts > >>> (or any other fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. > >> > >> Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling. > >> I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and > >> I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the > > > > ... > > > >> I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three, > >> the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My > >> second glyph, , is a half-tone box with three lines of dots > >> inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots. > > > > I assume that the reason I see three and you see four is that the > > first one (of my three) consists of a combination of the basic > > "blond haired person" glyph plus a "light skin tone" modifier glyph, > > which are presumably ideally supposed to be displayed together: > > > > https://emojiterra.com/blond-haired-person-light-skin-tone/ > > Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this? We're living > in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence > at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination, > however minor. Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the > originally all-text form of e-mail - which has no glyphs that portray > such differences - in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used > to highlight them. Why is nobody being "triggered" by this? That assumes that I look at the emojis and have a clue what they mean. I'm really only interested in this conversation in order to get a more complete repertoire of Unicode displayed correctly. If you were to look at my personal quick-view chart of Unicode, I think you'd see that emojis are distinctly lacking. Currently I print: ranges = [range(0x20, 0x520, 32), range(0x2000, 0x2be0, 32), range(0x2e00, 0x2e40, 32), range(0x3000, 0x3020, 32),] Some of these look as if they're combining forms (like the accents and squiggles, for want of a better word), but I've not found an opportunity to see clearly whether combining forms actually combine, before this. (Ie, the result would be an obvious change in glyphs.) Cheers, David.
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Sun 28 Nov 2021 at 15:43:52 (-0500), Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:11:27 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > > Celejar writes: > > > ...or even "recommends" that one... > > > > I wrote: > > > How do you know? > > > > Celejar writes: > > > $ apt-cache rdepends fonts-recommended > > > fonts-recommended > > > Reverse Depends: > > > > That doesn't show recommends. > > Yes, it does. From the man page: > > --no-pre-depends, --no-depends, --no-recommends, --no-suggests, > --no-conflicts, --no-breaks, --no-replaces, --no-enhances >Per default the depends and rdepends print all dependencies. This > can be tweaked with these flags which will omit the specified >dependency type. Configuration Item: > APT::Cache::ShowDependencyType e.g. APT::Cache::ShowRecommends. I wouldn't even need a Suggestion to install such a meta-package. Anything to reduce the size of this line out of my "basic packages" list: apt-get -y install fonts-lyx fonts-ricty-diminished texlive-font-utils fonts-rufscript fonts-yanone-kaffeesatz xfonts-efont-unicode-ib fonts-humor-sans fonts-3270 fonts-cantarell fonts-gfs-didot-classic fonts-ecolier-court ttf-aenigma texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-fonts-extra fonts-oxygen fonts-lobster xfonts-jmk xfonts-terminus-oblique fonts-gfs-baskerville texlive-latex-extra-doc texlive-pictures texlive-fonts-recommended pfb2t1c2pfb fonts-ocr-a fonts-ocr-b texlive-latex-extra preview-latex-style xfonts-75dpi ps2eps fonts-oflb-euterpe ttf-anonymous-pro texlive-fonts-extra-doc fonts-gfs-bodoni-classic fonts-inconsolata xfonts-efont-unicode fonts-hack fonty-rg texlive-pstricks-doc xfonts-terminus texlive-pstricks fonts-ipafont-gothic cm-super-x11 tipa tex-gyre fonts-dkg-handwriting fonts-tiresias fonts-texgyre xfonts-100dpi cm-super tv-fonts texlive-latex-recommended-doc fonts-ecolier-lignes-court fonts-mph-2b-damase fonts-ipafont-mincho xfonts-scalable fonts-ipafont texlive-pictures-doc texlive-latex-recommended fonts-fantasque-sans fonts-liberation2 xfonts-intl-phonetic texlive-extra-utils cm-super-minimal # ttf-denemo # missing Cheers, David.
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:11:27 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > ...or even "recommends" that one... > > I wrote: > > How do you know? > > Celejar writes: > > $ apt-cache rdepends fonts-recommended > > fonts-recommended > > Reverse Depends: > > That doesn't show recommends. Yes, it does. From the man page: --no-pre-depends, --no-depends, --no-recommends, --no-suggests, --no-conflicts, --no-breaks, --no-replaces, --no-enhances Per default the depends and rdepends print all dependencies. This can be tweaked with these flags which will omit the specified dependency type. Configuration Item: APT::Cache::ShowDependencyType e.g. APT::Cache::ShowRecommends. Celejar
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
On Sun Nov 28 11:38:54 2021 Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:58:58 -0600 > David Wright wrote: > >> On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: >> >>> Celejar writes: >>> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font installed, or do they see tofu? >>> >>> I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts >>> (or any other fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. >> >> Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling. >> I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and >> I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the > > ... > >> I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three, >> the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My >> second glyph, , is a half-tone box with three lines of dots >> inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots. > > I assume that the reason I see three and you see four is that the > first one (of my three) consists of a combination of the basic > "blond haired person" glyph plus a "light skin tone" modifier glyph, > which are presumably ideally supposed to be displayed together: > > https://emojiterra.com/blond-haired-person-light-skin-tone/ Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this? We're living in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination, however minor. Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail - which has no glyphs that portray such differences - in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them. Why is nobody being "triggered" by this? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ /| Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?
Celejar writes: > ...or even "recommends" that one... I wrote: > How do you know? Celejar writes: > $ apt-cache rdepends fonts-recommended > fonts-recommended > Reverse Depends: That doesn't show recommends. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 12:38:19 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed? > > Celejar writes: > > No, I had never heard of it. Do you? > > Yes. > > > No, I had never heard of it. Do you? No package depends on [it]... > > True. > > > ...or even "recommends" that one... > > How do you know? $ apt-cache rdepends fonts-recommended fonts-recommended Reverse Depends: Celejar
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On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 21:50:22 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: > Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed? Obviously I'm doing something wrong (or not doing it), as I have just installed all the fonts available in buster that match fonts-recommended/bullseye, including fonts-noto-color-emoji, and yet: $ dpkg -l | grep emoji ii fonts-noto-color-emoji0~20180810-1allcolor emoji font from Google ii fonts-symbola 2.60-1 allsymbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 9.0 $ fc-list noto $ fc-match noto DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" $ Nothing changes from my previous post: four monochrome emojis. (I take Celejar's point, that correct installation and implementation would cause the first two to combine.) Cheers, David.
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I wrote: > Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed? Celejar writes: > No, I had never heard of it. Do you? Yes. > No, I had never heard of it. Do you? No package depends on [it]... True. > ...or even "recommends" that one... How do you know? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:58:58 -0600 David Wright wrote: > On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: > > Celejar writes: > > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > > > I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other > > fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. > > Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling. > I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and > I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the ... > I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three, > the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My > second glyph, , is a half-tone box with three lines of dots > inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots. I assume that the reason I see three and you see four is that the first one (of my three) consists of a combination of the basic "blond haired person" glyph plus a "light skin tone" modifier glyph, which are presumably ideally supposed to be displayed together: https://emojiterra.com/blond-haired-person-light-skin-tone/ Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:50:22 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed? No, I had never heard of it. Do you? No package depends on or even "recommends" that one, so I'm not sure how you would have ended up with it insofar as you "never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other fonts)." Celejar
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On 2021-11-28 at 10:45, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2021 27 Nov 20:09 -0600, Celejar wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in >> question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts >> installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when >> you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? > > $ fc-list | grep noto > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansMono-Regular.ttf: Noto Sans > Mono:style=Regular > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansMono-Bold.ttf: Noto Sans > Mono:style=Bold > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoMono-Regular.ttf: Noto Mono:style=Regular These three are from fonts-noto-mono. > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoColorEmoji.ttf: Noto Color > Emoji:style=Regular This one is from fonts-noto-color-emoji. For comparison, according to a quick naive check I just ran, the TrueType font-file counts per noto package are as follows: fonts-noto-core: 268 fonts-noto-extra: 1540 fonts-noto-hinted: 0 fonts-noto-mono: 3 fonts-noto-ui-core: 36 fonts-noto-ui-extra: 532 fonts-noto-unhinted: 0 fonts-noto-cjk: 0 fonts-noto-cjk-extra: 0 fonts-noto-color-emoji: 1 -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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* On 2021 27 Nov 20:09 -0600, Celejar wrote: > I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in > question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts > installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when > you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? $ fc-list | grep noto /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansMono-Regular.ttf: Noto Sans Mono:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansMono-Bold.ttf: Noto Sans Mono:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoMono-Regular.ttf: Noto Mono:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoColorEmoji.ttf: Noto Color Emoji:style=Regular > If you have the noto fonts installed, try uninstalling them and then > see if your system can still display the glyphs. As I don't really care to mess with a working system, perhaps someone else without the Noto fonts can post their before and after results. I see that gnome-core depends on gnome-characters which, in turn, recommends fonts-noto-color-emoji and I have Aptitude configured to install Recommends automatically. So here the noto package shows to be automatically installed so I guess I got the functionality "for free" by using Gnome. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 2021-11-27 at 22:36, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:28:05 -0500 > The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-11-27 at 21:08, Celejar wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in >>> question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts >>> installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when >>> you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? >> >> If my own system is any guide, that may be an overly broad sort of >> question. >> >> $ fc-list | wc -l >>2479 > > Well, I didn't ask for that one. Yeah - that was just to give a sense of context and scale for the rest. >> $ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l >>1847 > > Huh. Our systems must be very different: > > ~$ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l > 1 > > ~$ fc-list | grep noto > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoColorEmoji.ttf: Noto Color > Emoji:style=Regular That'd probably be because you only have one of the fonts-noto-* packages installed, whereas I have four of them (and we don't have any overlap). >> The above is with the following installed package set: >> >> dpkg -l "fonts-noto*" | grep ^ii >> ii fonts-noto-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font >> families with large Unicode coverage (core) >> ii fonts-noto-extra20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font >> families with large Unicode coverage (extra) >> ii fonts-noto-mono 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" monospaced >> font family with large Unicode coverage >> ii fonts-noto-ui-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font >> families with large Unicode coverage (UI core) >> >> I don't think I was aware that there are color versions, and I certainly >> don't think I'd want them. Going a bit beyond this for more context: $ apt-file search /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/ | wc -l 2380 (So my 1847 is about three-fourths of the total, assuming no collisions. I did also verify that every item in this count is named as being a TTF file.) $ apt-file search /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/ | cut -d ':' -f 1 | uniq fonts-noto-color-emoji fonts-noto-core fonts-noto-extra fonts-noto-mono fonts-noto-ui-core fonts-noto-ui-extra Per the above, I have four of those installed: core, extra, mono, and ui-core. By contrast, you appear to have only one installed: color-emoji, which (according to 'apt-file show') appears to contain only one font file - the one you reported from fc-list, above. In my case, I got tired of seeing the "tofu" (without, I think, ever learning that term), and went out of my way to install fonts to provide as much coverage as I could manage. I appear to have missed one or two, but I haven't seen any missing glyphs in rather a while. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other > fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling. I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the same glyphs in less etc. The font that I'm using in the xterm is fonts-hack/fonts-hack-otf/fonts-hack-ttf/fonts-hack-web, whichever of those is pulled in by xterm -fa hack -fs 16 …. If I type xfd -fa hack, I can only display as far as 0x00feff, which is far short of all but LOWER RIGHT PENCIL, and even that glyph is displayed in xfd as an empty box. So it would appear that something is performing font substitution in the xterm. Hack is a pretty sparsely populated font AIUI. A windowed emacs -fn terminus-18 displays the pencil, and replaces the others by boxes containing the appropriate hex codes, 01f471, 01f3fb, and 01f517. xfd -fn terminus-18 displays the pencil's glyph as ? (and doesn't display a sufficient range to reach the others). Running less in xterm -fn terminus-18, I get a single-width blank space for the pencil, and double-width ? for the others. In case it matters, /etc/default/console-setup contains CHARMAP="UTF-8" CODESET="Uni2" FONTFACE="Terminus" FONTSIZE="16x32" A VC displays solid diamonds for all of them. I do have some noto packages installed (fonts-noto-hinted pulls in fonts-noto-core, fonts-noto-mono and fonts-noto-ui-core in buster), but don't know what's in them. When I use xfd on them, it always displays DejaVu instead, and fc-list noto returns nothing. (fonts-recommended is new in bullseye.) I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three, the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My second glyph, , is a half-tone box with three lines of dots inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots. Cheers, David.
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Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:00:35 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > What does fc-list | grep noto return? > > 272 lines. Sorry - see my other message in this thread. So you clearly have the Noto fonts installed. They're not essential packages, so something you installed must have brought them in, if you didn't do so manually. > (No need to cc me) Sorry, Sylpheed's reply-to-list puts your email address in the CC field - perhaps because you set an explicit reply-to header? I'll take it out in the future. Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:28:05 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-11-27 at 21:08, Celejar wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600 > > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > >> * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: > > >>> I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, > >>> so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: > >> > >> Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in > >> Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one > >> installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero > >> character with a slash. > >> > >> I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E > >> then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. > >> > >> > > > > I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in > > question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts > > installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when > > you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? > > If my own system is any guide, that may be an overly broad sort of > question. > > $ fc-list | wc -l >2479 Well, I didn't ask for that one. > $ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l >1847 Huh. Our systems must be very different: ~$ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l 1 ~$ fc-list | grep noto /usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoColorEmoji.ttf: Noto Color Emoji:style=Regular > $ fc-list | grep -v noto | wc -l > 632 > > Asking for the output of something that produces potentially thousands > of lines may be slightly ill-advised (although asking the user to check > that output and report back might be another story, and now that I look > back it's not entirely clear which of the two you were intending). I confess that it simply didn't occur to me that some systems would be so different from mine. I concede that that may have been a naive assumption ;) > The above is with the following installed package set: > > dpkg -l "fonts-noto*" | grep ^ii > ii fonts-noto-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font > families with large Unicode coverage (core) > ii fonts-noto-extra20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font > families with large Unicode coverage (extra) > ii fonts-noto-mono 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" monospaced > font family with large Unicode coverage > ii fonts-noto-ui-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font > families with large Unicode coverage (UI core) > > I don't think I was aware that there are color versions, and I certainly > don't think I'd want them. > > (FWIW, with this set installed, I see actual glyphs rather than the > "tofu' for each of the four in Jonathan Dowland's .sig - although I > can't actually quite tell what the second one is, even at full > enlargement.) Celejar
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Celejar writes: > What does fc-list | grep noto return? 272 lines. (No need to cc me) -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On 2021-11-27 at 21:08, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600 > Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: >>> I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, >>> so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: >> >> Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in >> Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one >> installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero >> character with a slash. >> >> I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E >> then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. >> >> > > I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in > question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts > installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when > you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? If my own system is any guide, that may be an overly broad sort of question. $ fc-list | wc -l 2479 $ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l 1847 $ fc-list | grep -v noto | wc -l 632 Asking for the output of something that produces potentially thousands of lines may be slightly ill-advised (although asking the user to check that output and report back might be another story, and now that I look back it's not entirely clear which of the two you were intending). The above is with the following installed package set: dpkg -l "fonts-noto*" | grep ^ii ii fonts-noto-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (core) ii fonts-noto-extra20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (extra) ii fonts-noto-mono 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" monospaced font family with large Unicode coverage ii fonts-noto-ui-core 20201225-1 all "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (UI core) I don't think I was aware that there are color versions, and I certainly don't think I'd want them. (FWIW, with this set installed, I see actual glyphs rather than the "tofu' for each of the four in Jonathan Dowland's .sig - although I can't actually quite tell what the second one is, even at full enlargement.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > Jonathan Dowland > > > ✎ j...@debian.org > > > https://jmtd.net > > > > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, > > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: > > Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in > Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one > installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero > character with a slash. > > I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E > then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. > > I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? If you have the noto fonts installed, try uninstalling them and then see if your system can still display the glyphs. Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 01:32:51 +0100 Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:36:04 -0500 > Celejar wrote: > > (...) > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > no idea what "most users" do; I am actually using sylpheed too, and I too > have these "emoji fonts" installed. Makes life easier sometimes, when > people use emoijis as a means of communication and just assume that you > are able to have them displayed. Makes sense. And my emails are now certainly more colorful ;) > Have a nice day :-) Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:22:45 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other > fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. What does $ fc-list | grep noto return? Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 23:41:37 +0100 Linux-Fan wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > > > * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > > > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > Jonathan Dowland > > > > ✎j...@debian.org > > > > https://jmtd.net > > > > > > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, > > > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: > > > > Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in > > Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one > > installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero > > character with a slash. > > > > I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E > > then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. > > > > > > > > - Nate > > I use the cone e-mail client in rxvt-unicode with the Terminus bitmap font > and I see only the icon next to `j...@debian.org`. Apart from that, the Yes, that one seems to be included in "normal" system fonts - I, too, saw it before I installed the noto fonts. > first line of the signature has two squares, the third line one and the post The two squares is apparently because the "person with blond hair" has a "light skin tone" modifier: https://emojipedia.org/person-light-skin-tone-blond-hair/ > by Nate has a single square, too. > > I can view the glyphs correctly by saving the mail as text file and opening > it with mousepad. `aptitude search ~inoto` returns the following here: > > | idA fonts-noto-color-emoji- color emoji font from Google > | i A fonts-noto-core - "No Tofu" font families with large > | i A fonts-noto-extra - "No Tofu" font families with large > | i A fonts-noto-mono - "No Tofu" monospaced font family wi > | i A fonts-noto-ui-core Okay, so when mousepad is showing the glyphs, it's presumably using the noto fonts. > I am pretty fine with _not_ seeing the correct glyphs by default given that > I do not want fancy colorful icons in my terminals anyway :) :/ Celejar
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:29:33 +0100 "Sijmen J. Mulder" wrote: > Celejar : > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > I too use Sylpheed and get tofu. I must have mistakenly assumed emoji > fonts would be installed by default hence this being a Sylpheed > limitation. Thanks for enlightening! :) > Same issue with Sylpheed on Windows by the way, wonder if the same > solution would work... You can report back once you try it ;) > Sijmen Celejar
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Nate Bargmann writes: * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > ... > > > Jonathan Dowland > > ✎ j...@debian.org > > https://jmtd.net > > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero character with a slash. I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. - Nate I use the cone e-mail client in rxvt-unicode with the Terminus bitmap font and I see only the icon next to `j...@debian.org`. Apart from that, the first line of the signature has two squares, the third line one and the post by Nate has a single square, too. I can view the glyphs correctly by saving the mail as text file and opening it with mousepad. `aptitude search ~inoto` returns the following here: | idA fonts-noto-color-emoji- color emoji font from Google | i A fonts-noto-core - "No Tofu" font families with large | i A fonts-noto-extra - "No Tofu" font families with large | i A fonts-noto-mono - "No Tofu" monospaced font family wi | i A fonts-noto-ui-core I am pretty fine with _not_ seeing the correct glyphs by default given that I do not want fancy colorful icons in my terminals anyway :) YMMV Linux-Fan öö [...] pgpGNsO7W6ND3.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Celejar writes: > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > installed, or do they see tofu? I use Gnus. I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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Celejar : > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > installed, or do they see tofu? I too use Sylpheed and get tofu. I must have mistakenly assumed emoji fonts would be installed by default hence this being a Sylpheed limitation. Thanks for enlightening! Same issue with Sylpheed on Windows by the way, wonder if the same solution would work... Sijmen
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* On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > ... > > > Jonathan Dowland > > ✎j...@debian.org > > https://jmtd.net > > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal. My font is one installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero character with a slash. I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Hi, On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:36:04 -0500 Celejar wrote: (...) > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > installed, or do they see tofu? no idea what "most users" do; I am actually using sylpheed too, and I too have these "emoji fonts" installed. Makes life easier sometimes, when people use emoijis as a means of communication and just assume that you are able to have them displayed. Have a nice day :-) Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. What kind of love is that? Not to be loved; never to have shown love. -- Commissioner Nancy Hedford, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 03:06:01 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > On 27/11/21 2:11 am, Tixy wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-11-26 at 12:36 -0500, Celejar wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> > >>> Jonathan Dowland > >>> ✎ j...@debian.org > >>> https://jmtd.net > >> > > [...] > >> > >> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > >> software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > >> installed, or do they see tofu? > > > > I see the rectangle which is used for missing glyphs, I'm guess that's > > what you mean by tofu (had to google the term). > > > > I understood that tofu is rotten soy beans. > > Is it something else? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts#Etymology Celejar
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On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 03:06:01 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 27/11/21 2:11 am, Tixy wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-11-26 at 12:36 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > > > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > Jonathan Dowland > > > > ✎j...@debian.org > > > > https://jmtd.net > > > > > [...] > > > > > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > > > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > > > installed, or do they see tofu? > > > > I see the rectangle which is used for missing glyphs, I'm guess that's > > what you mean by tofu (had to google the term). > > > > I understood that tofu is rotten soy beans. > > Is it something else? No. You are spot on. Thank you for your thouhtful and enligtening contribution, -- Brian.
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On 27/11/21 2:11 am, Tixy wrote: On Fri, 2021-11-26 at 12:36 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: ... Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net [...] I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font installed, or do they see tofu? I see the rectangle which is used for missing glyphs, I'm guess that's what you mean by tofu (had to google the term). I understood that tofu is rotten soy beans. Is it something else? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
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On Fri, 2021-11-26 at 12:36 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > ... > > > Jonathan Dowland > > ✎j...@debian.org > > https://jmtd.net > [...] > > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font > installed, or do they see tofu? I see the rectangle which is used for missing glyphs, I'm guess that's what you mean by tofu (had to google the term). -- Tixy
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: ... > Jonathan Dowland > ✎ j...@debian.org > https://jmtd.net I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig, so I looked up their Unicode codepoints: https://www.unicodepedia.com/unicode/miscellaneous-symbols-and-pictographs/1f471/person-with-blond-hair/ https://www.unicodepedia.com/unicode/miscellaneous-symbols-and-pictographs/1f517/link-symbol/ My MUA is Sylpheed, and it would not display those glyphs, regardless of which of my system fonts I selected as the Sylpheed display font. After some more hunting on the web, I installed "Noto Color Emoji" (fonts-noto-color-emoji), and presto, now I see the person with blond hair and the link symbol! I see them even when I don't select that font as the application display font - I guess Sylpheed, or some component of its underlying infrastructure, looks throughout the installed system fonts when there's no glyph for a particular codepoint in the currently selected font? I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font installed, or do they see tofu? Anyway, TIL something fascinating. Now that I have Noto Color Emoji installed, my email is much more colorful and cuter - Sylph apparently wasn't displaying tofu for emojis in email subject lines, and was just ignoring them, and I had no idea what I was missing ;) ... Celejar
