Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Le quartidi 4 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Chris Bannister a écrit : What file(s) are you talking about here? ~ $ apt-file show -x '^pulseaudio$' | grep '/usr/share/alsa' pulseaudio: /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/pulse.conf pulseaudio: /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf You can see that, at the very least, having pulseaudio installed will affect the ALSA configuration. In the past, the result was making it completely unusable without running the daemon. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 04:18:32PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
Le primidi 1er fructidor, an CCXXIII, Ric Moore a écrit :
Pulse generally is a pussycat. It sits on top of alsa and if alsa is broken,
pulse is broken.
On the other hand, there are situations where ALSA works perfectly and just
INSTALLING the pulseaudio package would break it, even if it was absolutely
not used.
You can see traces of that problem in the configuration snippets that
pulseaudio drops in ALSA:
@hooks [
{
func pulse_load_if_running
files [
/usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf
]
errors false
}
]
pcm.!default {
type pulse
hint {
show on
description Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
}
}
The pulse_load_if_running guard was not always present.
What file(s) are you talking about here?
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Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/19/2015 01:31 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:02:55PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: i know what audio device i should be selecting, i have it set to default in the ~/.asoundrc file and icweweasel just doesn't do anything. This half-answers my question in the other mail -- but still give alsamixer a spin: there might be some setting which is wrong. I've no idea how Iceweasel does sound, but I'll try to dig it up. If you're going to mess with hand creation/edits of .asoundrc, and the like, don't use pulse. That merely guarantees pulse will not work at all. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Monday 17 August 2015 16:40:04 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 16:31:04 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 11:00 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 15:49:49 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás I have p/a on pclos, and in the past I have had to disable it, but the latest version seems to work. The commands in the gui's are a bit tricky--some don't seem to work sometimes--perhaps they depend on some other command. You just have to play with it to some extent. The main gain I see over alsa is the ability to direct audio out to two channels--a built-in sound chip on the mobo and the HDMI output (which includes audio) from a GeForce video card. that way you can set up a Youtube or or other media source on your local display, and pipe it to your TV at the same time. BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. --doug Why not just: $ xset -dpms before the video starts? And deal with your screensaver. Lisi Well, I didn't know about dpms, but now I have looked at the man page, it is still not clear to me. I don't use a screen saver. If I enter xset -dpms does that stop the display from timing out? And how do you get out of that mode? +dpms? I never want to - it just goes back on when I reboot, which I don't wnat it to do, but I haven't got round to solving making it permanent. (There's been a lot about it on this list.) But I'll test and get back to you. +dpms does indeed seem likely. Well, I just tried it. +dpms made the dispaly start timing out again, after I had previously used $ xset -dpms. Lisi
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): On Monday 17 August 2015 16:40:04 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 16:31:04 doug wrote: Well, I didn't know about dpms, but now I have looked at the man page, it is still not clear to me. I don't use a screen saver. If I enter xset -dpms does that stop the display from timing out? And how do you get out of that mode? +dpms? I never want to - it just goes back on when I reboot, which I don't wnat it to do, but I haven't got round to solving making it permanent. (There's been a lot about it on this list.) But I'll test and get back to you. +dpms does indeed seem likely. Well, I just tried it. +dpms made the dispaly start timing out again, after I had previously used $ xset -dpms. xset q is quite useful to see what's set. In some ways it's a clearer inventory of its possibilities than man xset. Cheers, David.
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Hi. On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:31:05 +0200 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: i know what audio device i should be selecting, i have it set to default in the ~/.asoundrc file and icweweasel just doesn't do anything. This half-answers my question in the other mail -- but still give alsamixer a spin: there might be some setting which is wrong. I've no idea how Iceweasel does sound, but I'll try to dig it up. NPAPI plugins aside - iceweasel should produce sound via ALSA: $ apt-cache show iceweasel | grep Dep | grep pulse | wc -l 0 $ apt-cache show iceweasel | grep Dep | grep asound | wc -l 1 Reco
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com writes: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:16:55 +0200 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org [..] You can't install gnome without the pulseaudio libraries, but it runs perfectly fine without the daemon. On Debian? $ aptitude why gnome-core pulseaudio p gnome-core Depends pulseaudio This to me suggests that it doesn't even install without the daemon. And if you were to pull in pulseaudio through that package and disable the daemon, Gnome would run just fine. Why are you so invested in not simply admitting you were wrong? Mart -- We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes. --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:43 -0400 Edward Lukacs lukac...@verizon.net wrote: robust software. Linux has been amazingly good for most of its life but over the last few years it has begun to show serious signs of bloating. I mean the sort of thing that Detroit did when they put tail-fins on cars and the sort of unmentionable obscenities that came out of Microsoft whenever they needed to generate more revenue, i.e., install a bunch of new options and features in a software package that few people needed, but which required changes which were incompatible with the last version, thus forcing their customers to update to bloatware which strained their old boxes enough to make them want to buy new ones. Honestly, at the risk of sounding like old man yelling at clouds, but I feel the same. it's due to the ever increasing layers upon layers of abstraction. I find it incredibly difficult to find out how things are glued together. Those layers of abstraction make documentation hard to maintain and write. some things get better, like X always seems to work now (and that's a big deal !). others get worse. pulse audio is a complete mess and trying to figure out how to modify things is just god-awful. it took me several hours to find out how to modify my default.pa file to select the right default audio output. and then what happens - pulse audio will idle your sink , AND THEN NOT REACTIVATE IT when you actually want to use the audio again. freaking idiotic. so back to the default.pa file to disable some wacky module that idles your default audio sink. My own opinion, for what it's worth, is to keep your system simple, stupid, as the saying goes. truly. but these days even simple doesn't work. i just removed pulseaudio and audacious works fine (because i can select the audio device), but iceweasel won't play any audio (and i'm NOT using flash). won't generate errors, EVEN STRACE SHOWS NOTHING. just won't work. amazing... what's even more amazing is that i see problem reports going back 5 years precisely about iceweasel not playing audio. i know what audio device i should be selecting, i have it set to default in the ~/.asoundrc file and icweweasel just doesn't do anything. oh well. audacious works- i got tunes :-) Brian
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:02:55PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:43 -0400 Edward Lukacs lukac...@verizon.net wrote: robust software. Linux has been amazingly good for most of its life but over the last few years it has begun to show serious signs of bloating. [...] Honestly, at the risk of sounding like old man yelling at clouds, but I feel the same. Yep. The problem is that's difficult to target all users at once. You are doing the right thing: try without, write about it. There are others in your boat! (but never forget to respect people in other boats, even if they have tailfins ;-) i know what audio device i should be selecting, i have it set to default in the ~/.asoundrc file and icweweasel just doesn't do anything. This half-answers my question in the other mail -- but still give alsamixer a spin: there might be some setting which is wrong. I've no idea how Iceweasel does sound, but I'll try to dig it up. Regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXUFJkACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbgFACeOsOgwLC+fgRN8tjt8gbztbQB Q+8AmwXfrZZXhvMyIBSHs4Hqcuvaj2H9 =RsU0 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
I am far from a guru, but I am a twenty-one year Linux user since Kernel 0.91. Pulse audio has been, at least since Kernel 3.0, a pain in my side. I currently run Jessie 8.0 on both my Compaq desktop and my HP laptop (64 bit AMD Sempron and Turion x2 respectively,) On both systems Pulseaudio craps out the instant that I try to make any settings changes at all.snf I have been unable to find out why in any reasonable period of time. The fact that someone here described the hughe CPU load that it causes finally caused me to act. it took me a half hour to totally eliminate it and set up a complete alsa installation which is utterly reliable. I will not go back, even if pulseaudio is repaired and made less of a system hog. Being an experienced user and a retired sysop/lan/domain and ISSO manager for many years (RTE-A, HP-UX, Ultrix, IRIX, QNX, Linux over the years) but not a really good programmer, I rely on and prefer simple and robust software. Linux has been amazingly good for most of its life but over the last few years it has begun to show serious signs of bloating. I mean the sort of thing that Detroit did when they put tail-fins on cars and the sort of unmentionable obscenities that came out of Microsoft whenever they needed to generate more revenue, i.e., install a bunch of new options and features in a software package that few people needed, but which required changes which were incompatible with the last version, thus forcing their customers to update to bloatware which strained their old boxes enough to make them want to buy new ones. My own opinion, for what it's worth, is to keep your system simple, stupid, as the saying goes. Ed
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/18/2015 08:57 AM, Edward Lukacs wrote: My own opinion, for what it's worth, is to keep your system simple, stupid, as the saying goes. I used to feel as you do, and ranted on pulse whenever the opportunity arose. But, that was years ago. Pulse is far more simple to use, when it comes to multiple sound sources that require hand edits to some obscure file. Pulse works better on a Desktop machine, but so does everything else. Pulse ONLY WORKS when alsa works. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/18/2015 08:57 AM, Edward Lukacs wrote: it took me a half hour to totally eliminate it and set up a complete alsa installation which is utterly reliable. I will not go back, even if pulseaudio is repaired and made less of a system hog. I don't get this. You got alsa working complete after blaming pulse for not working?? Again, Pulse does not work if alsa is not complete and working. And yeah, I installed Slackware from a stack of floppies, and worked for Red Hat during the IPO days. Blah blah. That just means I can make more spectacular mistakes and do. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/17/2015 10:10 PM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:25:24 +0200 Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:37:37 -0700 From: bri...@aracnet.com [..snip list of PA inadequacies..] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. It's a good thing you're asking for opinions, because that's what you're gonna get. A lot of it, probably ;) uh. honestly. i had no idea this was a hot-button. I was just wondering if I _really_ needed it. My problem is simple. When the laptop comes up from suspend, it selects the laptop speakers instead of the speakers which i have very specifically set up as default in default.pa. i find it very difficult to figure out how to do anything in pulse audio. Pulse generally is a pussycat. It sits on top of alsa and if alsa is broken, pulse is broken. Simple ...usually. So, when trouble shooting pulse problems fire up alsamixer first. You'll usually find something with the volume turned way down or muted. Then make sure you have pavucontrol installed. You use that to configure pulse, set volume levels and select in/outputs. Works for me and should for you too ...until the word laptop was used. There is no telling how any specific laptop will work with alsa/pulse. I have an ASUS laptop and loathe it. Truth be known, I'd like to take a hammer to the POS. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Le primidi 1er fructidor, an CCXXIII, Ric Moore a écrit :
Pulse generally is a pussycat. It sits on top of alsa and if alsa is broken,
pulse is broken.
On the other hand, there are situations where ALSA works perfectly and just
INSTALLING the pulseaudio package would break it, even if it was absolutely
not used.
You can see traces of that problem in the configuration snippets that
pulseaudio drops in ALSA:
@hooks [
{
func pulse_load_if_running
files [
/usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf
]
errors false
}
]
pcm.!default {
type pulse
hint {
show on
description Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
}
}
The pulse_load_if_running guard was not always present.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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RE: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:16:55 +0200 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org [..] You can't install gnome without the pulseaudio libraries, but it runs perfectly fine without the daemon. On Debian? $ aptitude why gnome-core pulseaudio p gnome-core Depends pulseaudio This to me suggests that it doesn't even install without the daemon. Regards, Arno
RE: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:37:37 -0700 From: bri...@aracnet.com [..snip list of PA inadequacies..] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. It's a good thing you're asking for opinions, because that's what you're gonna get. A lot of it, probably ;) It can be a good idea, or it may cause your hair to fall out or turn gray. When I ditched pulseaudio, my idle system load average (as reported through uptime) dropped from 0.7 to 0.03, which was vindication enough for me. If you're running Gnome, ditchting pulseaudio is simply not possible. Not sure about other full-featured DEs, I think at least KDE still allows you to use alsa directly. Then there's the case that bluez5 also requires pulseaudio for any kind of bluetooth audio, and the inability of modern audio chips to handle more than one audio stream at a time. If you can live with those limitations (I know I can), you can go pure alsa. You may need to read up on configuring alsa through .asoundrc and/or configuring gstreamer defaults through dconf. You especially might want to look into the alsa dmix plugin if you expect to have sound output from multiple programs at the same time. So yes, it is doable, depending on what other programs you use and what features you expect. Regards, Arno
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:25:24 +0200 Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:37:37 -0700 From: bri...@aracnet.com [..snip list of PA inadequacies..] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. It's a good thing you're asking for opinions, because that's what you're gonna get. A lot of it, probably ;) uh. honestly. i had no idea this was a hot-button. I was just wondering if I _really_ needed it. My problem is simple. When the laptop comes up from suspend, it selects the laptop speakers instead of the speakers which i have very specifically set up as default in default.pa. i find it very difficult to figure out how to do anything in pulse audio. so i thought- if i don't really need it, i'll be all set, right. well- probably not, better ask for some opinions. however the fact that i have two possible sinks makes me think it might be just as much trouble to get rid of it as to figure out why it doesn't do what it should. It can be a good idea, or it may cause your hair to fall out or turn gray. When I ditched pulseaudio, my idle system load average (as reported through uptime) dropped from 0.7 to 0.03, which was vindication enough for me. i don't seem to have any issues like that. strictly a suspend/resume problem. a suspend/resume that i've seen in mailing lists going at least 5 years back and nobody every seems to know how to fix it. If you're running Gnome, ditchting pulseaudio is simply not possible. Not sure about other full-featured DEs, I think at least KDE still allows you to use alsa directly. Then there's the case that bluez5 also i'm using xfce but i could go back to openbox in a flash if i needed to. ah well- sounds like a rock and a hard place. Brian
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Quoting Arno Schuring (aelschur...@hotmail.com): Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:16:55 +0200 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org [..] You can't install gnome without the pulseaudio libraries, but it runs perfectly fine without the daemon. On Debian? $ aptitude why gnome-core pulseaudio p gnome-core Depends pulseaudio There's a thread starting at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg00616.html discussing this new meaning of the word core. Note for example that gnome-core also depends on the essential component iceweasel and 5 dozen other packages! This to me suggests that it doesn't even install without the daemon. No idea. I don't use it. Cheers, David.
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:10:34PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I was just wondering if I _really_ needed it. You don't -really- need it. I haven't seen it bring anything of worth to me yet other than bluetooth audio. If it wasn't for that I'd ditch it as it just adds complexity. Since you're using xfce, it's totally optional. Try getting rid of it and see how you fly without. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. Why all this technical mumbo jumbo? Mouse jiggler indeed! Just use the word cat :) I believe that: xset s off is what your looking for. Of course, different DEs will want you to do it differently. And some players support turning off the screen saver themselves. Incidentally, I've been running my desktop and laptop without pulse for several months (fvwm blackbox windowmmaker depending on what I feel like), no problems (though I must confess that I'm not running debian (PATA devices, an SATA MotherB, and systemd don't get along) :) . I find the experience RAM disk freeing. David
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás I have p/a on pclos, and in the past I have had to disable it, but the latest version seems to work. The commands in the gui's are a bit tricky--some don't seem to work sometimes--perhaps they depend on some other command. You just have to play with it to some extent. The main gain I see over alsa is the ability to direct audio out to two channels--a built-in sound chip on the mobo and the HDMI output (which includes audio) from a GeForce video card. that way you can set up a Youtube or or other media source on your local display, and pipe it to your TV at the same time. BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. --doug
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/17/2015 11:00 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 15:49:49 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás I have p/a on pclos, and in the past I have had to disable it, but the latest version seems to work. The commands in the gui's are a bit tricky--some don't seem to work sometimes--perhaps they depend on some other command. You just have to play with it to some extent. The main gain I see over alsa is the ability to direct audio out to two channels--a built-in sound chip on the mobo and the HDMI output (which includes audio) from a GeForce video card. that way you can set up a Youtube or or other media source on your local display, and pipe it to your TV at the same time. BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. --doug Why not just: $ xset -dpms before the video starts? And deal with your screensaver. Lisi Well, I didn't know about dpms, but now I have looked at the man page, it is still not clear to me. I don't use a screen saver. If I enter xset -dpms does that stop the display from timing out? And how do you get out of that mode? +dpms? --doug
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/17/2015 12:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 11:35:36 Ric Moore wrote: Welcome back, Ric. ;) It's good to be alive! I wound up with a quad bypass. It was like getting fsck AND a re-boot. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Mon 17 Aug 2015 at 13:18:35 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 08/17/2015 12:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 11:35:36 Ric Moore wrote: Welcome back, Ric. ;) It's good to be alive! I wound up with a quad bypass. It was like getting fsck AND a re-boot. :) Ric Best wishes! One hopes the upgrade came with sysIVinit and nothing new-fangled. :)
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Monday 17 August 2015 15:49:49 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás I have p/a on pclos, and in the past I have had to disable it, but the latest version seems to work. The commands in the gui's are a bit tricky--some don't seem to work sometimes--perhaps they depend on some other command. You just have to play with it to some extent. The main gain I see over alsa is the ability to direct audio out to two channels--a built-in sound chip on the mobo and the HDMI output (which includes audio) from a GeForce video card. that way you can set up a Youtube or or other media source on your local display, and pipe it to your TV at the same time. BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. --doug Why not just: $ xset -dpms before the video starts? And deal with your screensaver. Lisi
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Monday 17 August 2015 11:35:36 Ric Moore wrote: Welcome back, Ric. ;) On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). To the point of being labeled a trolling issue. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). To the point of being labeled a trolling issue. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Monday 17 August 2015 16:31:04 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 11:00 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 17 August 2015 15:49:49 doug wrote: On 08/17/2015 02:10 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás I have p/a on pclos, and in the past I have had to disable it, but the latest version seems to work. The commands in the gui's are a bit tricky--some don't seem to work sometimes--perhaps they depend on some other command. You just have to play with it to some extent. The main gain I see over alsa is the ability to direct audio out to two channels--a built-in sound chip on the mobo and the HDMI output (which includes audio) from a GeForce video card. that way you can set up a Youtube or or other media source on your local display, and pipe it to your TV at the same time. BTW: if you're going to watch a long video, you may want to get a mouse jiggler, so the picture doesn't go away after a few minutes. --doug Why not just: $ xset -dpms before the video starts? And deal with your screensaver. Lisi Well, I didn't know about dpms, but now I have looked at the man page, it is still not clear to me. I don't use a screen saver. If I enter xset -dpms does that stop the display from timing out? And how do you get out of that mode? +dpms? I never want to - it just goes back on when I reboot, which I don't wnat it to do, but I haven't got round to solving making it permanent. (There's been a lot about it on this list.) But I'll test and get back to you. +dpms does indeed seem likely. Lisi
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com writes: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:37:37 -0700 From: bri...@aracnet.com [..snip list of PA inadequacies..] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. It's a good thing you're asking for opinions, because that's what you're gonna get. A lot of it, probably ;) It can be a good idea, or it may cause your hair to fall out or turn gray. When I ditched pulseaudio, my idle system load average (as reported through uptime) dropped from 0.7 to 0.03, which was vindication enough for me. If you're running Gnome, ditchting pulseaudio is simply not possible. Bull. You can't install gnome without the pulseaudio libraries, but it runs perfectly fine without the daemon. Mart -- We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes. --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:37:37PM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Be warned that this has been a long standing hot-button issue. You might get very strong opinions in both directions (or you might get just very few, because people are wary of protracted flame wars). Better try more concrete questions: how to achieve X with pulseaudio. Or what are your choices besides pulseaudio. regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXRetsACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaXMQCZAYI9G7SjFiRbylyM1xEr1AEE /skAnR3TrVMd8m3/ZM61ZsxkeNN+tLPE =6qRf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: should I get rid of pulse audio ?
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: first there was the obsure changes to the pulse audio config that so that my USB speakers would be made default. then there was the fact that it automatically idled my USB speakers, so i had to disable that feature. now on resuming from suspend it decides to switch to different speakers and not restore THE DEFAULT sink (it's a laptop, so instead fo restoring the default sink, it restores to the laptop speakers). so rather than go into the mess that is pulse audio and figure it out, i'd really rather get rid of it. However it's been my experience that i'll simply exchange one set of problems for another. so soliciting opinions on whether or not getting rid of pulse audio is a good idea. Which version of Debian are you running? Which laptop? Before you blame pulseaudio, look elsewhere. Maybe, the USB speakers are not available soon enough coming out of the suspend, and you get the laptop speakers which are, etc. Check the logs and configs. Set pulseaudio, not to run at all, reconfigure, and see if the same problems occur. B
