Re: Missing OPs (was: Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On Sun 31 Jul 2022 at 20:10:44 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2022-07-31, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 07:50:54 AM Curt wrote: > >> Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > >> often do) should look there. > > > > Hmm, what's the criteria for determining a missing OP? Looks like his > > first > > post was at 10:55 last night, so when you wrote this, he hadn't been heard > > from or seen in about 9 hours, so the police won't take a missing persons > > report yet. > > > > To me, one of the advantages of email is asynchronous communitication. > > Well, we already had epistolary communication and carrier pigeons, so > for me it's the rapidity. But that's really not what I was getting on > about. Sometimes people ask a question here and are never heard of > again. It happens. But not this time. > > He'll disppear eventually, though. Not that I want him to, mind you. I guess twenty years just doesn't suffice to be considered as an ordinary subscriber. Cheers, David.
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 01:52:20PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > It seems to be from Oracle [1]. Possibly a Java abomination. > > Nope. It's CPython + QT. But then again, it's totally possible to write > in Python in such way that users will think it's written in Java :) Thanks for actually looking it up and... for shattering my prejudices :) > The package they provide embeds its own copy of libssl (version 1.0 with > multiple known vulnerabilities), QT 4 (ditto), and libpython3 (version > 3.3, ditto) [...] ... the common euphemism for that nonsense being "vendoring". > so I would advise against using this particular utility for > any reason. Tha'd be my take, too. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
Hi. On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 02:16:30PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 31 Jul 2022 at 06:28:18 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: > > > On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: > > > > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't > > > > > > start? > > > > > I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a > > > > > running dyn_updater: > > > > > > > > > > > ps ax |grep dyn > > > > > > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > > > > > > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > > > > > > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn > > > > > > You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is > > > > infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity > > > > is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > > > > often do) should look there. > > > > > > I haven't disappeared. We're probably in different time zones and > > > have different sleep schedules. > > > > > > I don't know about the GUI part of dyn_updater. It just site in my > > > task bar and doesn't do anything when I click it. > > > > I'm just intrigued by how expensive dyn_updater is to run. Admittedly, > > the machine has been up long enough to churn through 719685 processes, > > but almost three hours CPU time to tell a daemon to spend five seconds > > doing something; is everything OK? > > It seems to be from Oracle [1]. Possibly a Java abomination. Nope. It's CPython + QT. But then again, it's totally possible to write in Python in such way that users will think it's written in Java :) The package they provide embeds its own copy of libssl (version 1.0 with multiple known vulnerabilities), QT 4 (ditto), and libpython3 (version 3.3, ditto) so I would advise against using this particular utility for any reason. Reco
Re: Missing OPs (wes: Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 08:10:44PM -, Curt wrote: [...] > He'll disppear eventually, though. Not that I want him to, mind you. If all of us are as snarky, the prophecy might be self-fulfilling. If I were you, I'd adjust my timeout period to a (small, positive, nonzero) multiple of 24 hours, given that, most probably the world is round and things. But I'm not you, so... Cheers, anyway -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 02:16:30PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 31 Jul 2022 at 06:28:18 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: > > On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: > > > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > > > > Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't > > > > > start? > > > > I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a > > > > running dyn_updater: > > > > > > > > > ps ax |grep dyn > > > > > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > > > > > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > > > > > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn > > > > You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is > > > infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity > > > is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > > > often do) should look there. > > > > I haven't disappeared. We're probably in different time zones and > > have different sleep schedules. > > > > I don't know about the GUI part of dyn_updater. It just site in my > > task bar and doesn't do anything when I click it. > > I'm just intrigued by how expensive dyn_updater is to run. Admittedly, > the machine has been up long enough to churn through 719685 processes, > but almost three hours CPU time to tell a daemon to spend five seconds > doing something; is everything OK? It seems to be from Oracle [1]. Possibly a Java abomination. Cheers [1] https://help.dyn.com/updater/ (Search for copyright and look at the small print at the page's bottom) -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Missing OPs (wes: Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On 2022-07-31, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 07:50:54 AM Curt wrote: >> Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they >> often do) should look there. > > Hmm, what's the criteria for determining a missing OP? Looks like his first > post was at 10:55 last night, so when you wrote this, he hadn't been heard > from or seen in about 9 hours, so the police won't take a missing persons > report yet. > > To me, one of the advantages of email is asynchronous communitication. Well, we already had epistolary communication and carrier pigeons, so for me it's the rapidity. But that's really not what I was getting on about. Sometimes people ask a question here and are never heard of again. It happens. But not this time. He'll disppear eventually, though. Not that I want him to, mind you. > Have a good day (I have a headache today, so I may be (probably am) more > gurmpy than usual.)
Re: GUI app started from command line (Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On 2022-07-31, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 05:44:25 AM Curt wrote: >> It's a GUI app so why he's trying to start it at the command line is >> anybody's guess. > > I'm anybody (I think) so I'll take a guess -- if you start a gui type app > from > the command line, I think, at least in many cases, you see various status and > error messages at that command line that you might not see otherwise > (although, presumably, they go to a log). > Right, as a general rule. But I guess this specific case is one of the exceptions to that rule, because there seemed to be nothing to learn from the succinct command-line output shown in the OP.
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun 31 Jul 2022 at 06:28:18 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: > On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: > > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > > > Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't > > > > start? > > > I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a > > > running dyn_updater: > > > > > > > ps ax |grep dyn > > > > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > > > > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > > > > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn > > You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is > > infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity > > is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > > often do) should look there. > > I haven't disappeared. We're probably in different time zones and > have different sleep schedules. > > I don't know about the GUI part of dyn_updater. It just site in my > task bar and doesn't do anything when I click it. I'm just intrigued by how expensive dyn_updater is to run. Admittedly, the machine has been up long enough to churn through 719685 processes, but almost three hours CPU time to tell a daemon to spend five seconds doing something; is everything OK? > I expect either dyn_updater or ddclient to be daemons catching any > change in IP address and sending the change to dyndns.org. > > I would be just as happy to have ddclient working. I only have > dyn_updater because ddclient didn't seem to be working. Cheers, David.
Missing OPs (wes: Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 07:50:54 AM Curt wrote: > Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > often do) should look there. Hmm, what's the criteria for determining a missing OP? Looks like his first post was at 10:55 last night, so when you wrote this, he hadn't been heard from or seen in about 9 hours, so the police won't take a missing persons report yet. To me, one of the advantages of email is asynchronous communitication. Have a good day (I have a headache today, so I may be (probably am) more gurmpy than usual.) -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.
GUI app started from command line (Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything)
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 05:44:25 AM Curt wrote: > It's a GUI app so why he's trying to start it at the command line is > anybody's guess. I'm anybody (I think) so I'll take a guess -- if you start a gui type app from the command line, I think, at least in many cases, you see various status and error messages at that command line that you might not see otherwise (although, presumably, they go to a log). -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 2022-07-31 16:18, Paul Scott wrote: I may have gotten ddclient to work with a configuration supplied by dyndns.org . I won't know for a while because I haven't successfully changed my IP address by reseting my cable modem. Just resetting the modem is probably not enough. You'll probably need to turn it off and wait some minutes before turning it on again. mick
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 7/31/22 07:42, David wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 23:28, Paul Scott wrote: On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: On 2022-07-31, wrote: I would be just as happy to have ddclient working. I only have dyn_updater because ddclient didn't seem to be working. Hi, I haven't used any of these tools, but FYI in case you are unaware: The Debian project exists to strongly advocate the use of free software, see here: [1] https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy [2] https://www.debian.org/social_contract Where "free" means "freedom" to share, build and modify, among other things. If ddclient is packaged by the Debian project, it is truly "free" software per the DFSG in [2] above, and any issues you are having with it are certainly on-topic for this mailing list. dyn_updater on the other hand appears to be associated with some kind of commerical product and have some kind of restrictive End User Licence Agreement, making it the kind of software that the Debian project expressly forbids and avoids. So if you need help with it, you might have more success by asking whoever supplied it to you. I may have gotten ddclient to work with a configuration supplied by dyndns.org . I won't know for a while because I haven't successfully changed my IP address by reseting my cable modem. Thank for the information and help. Paul
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 2022-07-31, Paul Scott wrote: > > On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: >> On 2022-07-31, wrote: Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't start? >>> I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a >>> running dyn_updater: >> You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is >> infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity >> is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they >> often do) should look there. > > I haven't disappeared. We're probably in different time zones and have > different sleep schedules. That's good. > I don't know about the GUI part of dyn_updater. It just site in my task > bar and doesn't do anything when I click it. That's probably abnormal behavior. Or maybe not. Who knows? As far as the GUI aspect, I looked it up, but it would be preferable if we knew exactly what it was, where you got it, how you installed it, where it's documented, etc. etc. > I expect either dyn_updater or ddclient to be daemons catching any > change in IP address and sending the change to dyndns.org. For purposes of troubleshooting, your problem description is woefully inadequate. > I would be just as happy to have ddclient working. I only have > dyn_updater because ddclient didn't seem to be working. Maybe they're both not working for the same reason, but it's impossible to tell, because beyond telling us they don't work, you don't give us anything to go on. What about the log file? Those things are usually something to go on. > Thanks, > > Paul > > >> > > --
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 23:28, Paul Scott wrote: > On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: > > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > I would be just as happy to have ddclient working. I only have > dyn_updater because ddclient didn't seem to be working. Hi, I haven't used any of these tools, but FYI in case you are unaware: The Debian project exists to strongly advocate the use of free software, see here: [1] https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy [2] https://www.debian.org/social_contract Where "free" means "freedom" to share, build and modify, among other things. If ddclient is packaged by the Debian project, it is truly "free" software per the DFSG in [2] above, and any issues you are having with it are certainly on-topic for this mailing list. dyn_updater on the other hand appears to be associated with some kind of commerical product and have some kind of restrictive End User Licence Agreement, making it the kind of software that the Debian project expressly forbids and avoids. So if you need help with it, you might have more success by asking whoever supplied it to you.
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 7/31/22 04:50, Curt wrote: On 2022-07-31, wrote: Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't start? I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a running dyn_updater: You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they often do) should look there. I haven't disappeared. We're probably in different time zones and have different sleep schedules. I don't know about the GUI part of dyn_updater. It just site in my task bar and doesn't do anything when I click it. I expect either dyn_updater or ddclient to be daemons catching any change in IP address and sending the change to dyndns.org. I would be just as happy to have ddclient working. I only have dyn_updater because ddclient didn't seem to be working. Thanks, Paul
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 11:50:54AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > > >> Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't > >> start? > > > > I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a > > running dyn_updater: > > You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is > infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity > is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they > often do) should look there. GUI apps don't need no stinkin' documentation. They are discoverable. Or something ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 2022-07-31, wrote: > >> Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't >> start? > > I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a > running dyn_updater: You're right. I misread all that somehow. Documentation is infuriatingly sparse, but mentions that the app's ( a *GUI* app) actvity is logged to a file. Maybe the OP (who's disappeared anyway, as they often do) should look there.
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 09:44:25AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > > > The next question(s) would be: is it documented? Does it have a > > config? a log file? > > https://help.dyn.com/linux-update-client-install-guide/ > > It's a GUI app so why he's trying to start it at the command line is > anybody's guess. > > > Perhaps, if you know which service it is contacting and how (it > > most probably is some HTTP(S) endpoint, since people seem to have > > forgotten how to move stuff around the intertubes in some other > > ways). You could try to manually contact that service and see > > whether the connection works, there is a response, etc. > > Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't > start? I interpret the process list in the original post as showing a running dyn_updater: > ps ax |grep dyn > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 2022-07-31, wrote: > > The next question(s) would be: is it documented? Does it have a > config? a log file? https://help.dyn.com/linux-update-client-install-guide/ It's a GUI app so why he's trying to start it at the command line is anybody's guess. > Perhaps, if you know which service it is contacting and how (it > most probably is some HTTP(S) endpoint, since people seem to have > forgotten how to move stuff around the intertubes in some other > ways). You could try to manually contact that service and see > whether the connection works, there is a response, etc. Doesn't it seem from the OP that the daemon doesn't start? > Cheers
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 11:24:30PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > On 7/30/22 11:00 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 05:55:23PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > > Can someone please help me diagnose why dynupdater is not seeming to > > > update > > > my ip address so I cna access my local computer from somewhere else. > > > > > > ps ax |grep dyn > > > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > > > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > > > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn > > I can't find a `dyn_updater' in any of the Debian repos. So tell us: > > > > What /is/ dyn_updater? Where did you get it from? Does it have > > documentation? A config file? Perhaps some logs? > I was using ddclient and it wasn't working for possibly the same reason that > dyn_updater isn't working. I got dyn_updater from dyndns.org. > > > > Given the name and your description, the thing might update your > > dyndns record (not your IP address: your ISP changes this one). > > If this guess is correct, it'll depend on an external service. > > If I understand this correctly ddclient and dyn_updater should tell my > subdomain at dyndns.org what my current IP address so I can connect to my > home computer. (Note that I havent't got that thing, so take with a grain of salt) The next question(s) would be: is it documented? Does it have a config? a log file? Perhaps, if you know which service it is contacting and how (it most probably is some HTTP(S) endpoint, since people seem to have forgotten how to move stuff around the intertubes in some other ways). You could try to manually contact that service and see whether the connection works, there is a response, etc. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:00 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 05:55:23PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > Can someone please help me diagnose why dynupdater is not seeming to > update > > my ip address so I cna access my local computer from somewhere else. > > > > ps ax |grep dyn > >5237 ?Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > >5269 ?Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > > 719685 pts/2R+ 0:00 grep dyn > > I can't find a `dyn_updater' in any of the Debian repos. So tell us: > > What /is/ dyn_updater? Where did you get it from? Does it have > documentation? A config file? Perhaps some logs? > > Given the name and your description, the thing might update your > dyndns record (not your IP address: your ISP changes this one). > If this guess is correct, it'll depend on an external service. > May be this one is failing? > > But that's only guesswork. > > Cheers > -- > t > It is located here: https://help.dyn.com/updater/ It appears to update DNS records. I have never used it but it does come packaged for debian. It also runs on Ubuntu and Windows. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On 7/30/22 11:00 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 05:55:23PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Can someone please help me diagnose why dynupdater is not seeming to update my ip address so I cna access my local computer from somewhere else. ps ax |grep dyn 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn I can't find a `dyn_updater' in any of the Debian repos. So tell us: What /is/ dyn_updater? Where did you get it from? Does it have documentation? A config file? Perhaps some logs? I was using ddclient and it wasn't working for possibly the same reason that dyn_updater isn't working. I got dyn_updater from dyndns.org. Given the name and your description, the thing might update your dyndns record (not your IP address: your ISP changes this one). If this guess is correct, it'll depend on an external service. If I understand this correctly ddclient and dyn_updater should tell my subdomain at dyndns.org what my current IP address so I can connect to my home computer. Thank you, Paul May be this one is failing? But that's only guesswork. Cheers
Re: dynupdater not seeming to do anything
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 05:55:23PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Can someone please help me diagnose why dynupdater is not seeming to update > my ip address so I cna access my local computer from somewhere else. > > ps ax |grep dyn > 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater > 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start > 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn I can't find a `dyn_updater' in any of the Debian repos. So tell us: What /is/ dyn_updater? Where did you get it from? Does it have documentation? A config file? Perhaps some logs? Given the name and your description, the thing might update your dyndns record (not your IP address: your ISP changes this one). If this guess is correct, it'll depend on an external service. May be this one is failing? But that's only guesswork. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
dynupdater not seeming to do anything
Can someone please help me diagnose why dynupdater is not seeming to update my ip address so I cna access my local computer from somewhere else. ps ax |grep dyn 5237 ? Sl 170:43 dyn_updater 5269 ? Sl 5:38 /usr/bin/dyn_updater --daemon start 719685 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep dyn TIA. Paul
