Re: change xterm-debian

2000-12-11 Thread kmself
on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:12:13PM -0600, ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   I was wondering if there was anyway to permanently change the
   environment variable TERM from xterm-debian to just xterm?
   When I access pine at work to read mail it flips out.  The
   server is running redhat and it's not changing.  It seems I've
   seen this come up a while back but I can't find anything in the
   archives.  Why xterm-debian anyway?  What is the benefit? 
   Thanks,
   kent

In your .profile on the remote box:

if [ $TERM = xterm-debian ]; then
export TERM=xterm
fi

...for a large set of values you want to test for, a case/esac statement
might be more appropriate.

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Re: change xterm-debian

2000-12-10 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
Hi,

the stock answer to this is usually a terse RTFM
/usr/doc/xterm/README.debian 

Never seemed justified to me interms of pain:benefit ratio, but
according to this file on my Slink system, this has changed:


The xterm terminal type on a Debian system is an alias for
xterm-debian. This means that xterm and xterm-debian are
interchangeable as values of the $TERM environment variable in the
shell.  Since the xterm-debian type is typically not found on
non-Debian systems, xterm is used as the system default.


It then goes on to describe the 3 ways xterm-debian differs from
standard xterm...


this is from:
Version: 3.3.6-11potato15

so looks like upgrading xterm should fix this now?

-Jon



change xterm-debian

2000-12-09 Thread ktb
I was wondering if there was anyway to permanently change the
environment variable TERM from xterm-debian to just xterm?
When I access pine at work to read mail it flips out.  The
server is running redhat and it's not changing.  It seems I've
seen this come up a while back but I can't find anything in the
archives.  Why xterm-debian anyway?  What is the benefit? 
Thanks,
kent

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Re: change xterm-debian

2000-12-09 Thread Nate Amsden
ktb wrote:
 
 I was wondering if there was anyway to permanently change the
 environment variable TERM from xterm-debian to just xterm?
 When I access pine at work to read mail it flips out.  The
 server is running redhat and it's not changing.  It seems I've
 seen this come up a while back but I can't find anything in the
 archives.  Why xterm-debian anyway?  What is the benefit?
 Thanks,
 kent

i got the same issue, with redhat, tru64, solaris, aix, hpux etc..

what i do is just put a line in /etc/profile (assuming your using a BASH
compadible shell on the remote end) and put:

export TERM=vt100

that usually fixes it for me ..although the terminal i use may not
be fully gnome compliant ..i have no complaints about the emulation.

nate

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gnome-terminal and xterm-debian

2000-12-06 Thread ktb
I searched the archives and thought I would get a million hits
for xterm-debian but got 5 that provided no help.  My problem
is I can't figure out how to get gnome-terminal off
xterm-debian.  I can of course TERM=xterm from the command
line but I would like to set it permenetly to xterm.  I set
TERM to xterm for xterm windows by using export but it doesn't
stick for gnome-terminal.  I need to do this because the servers
here at work run redhat and pine won't read xterm-debian.
Thanks,
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Re: xterm xterm-debian

2000-05-21 Thread Christophe TROESTLER
On Thu, 18 May 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal
 variable everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what
 xterm-debian is?  Since this happens quite often it is getting a
 little tedious.

Make a script.  For example I use the following:
--
#!/bin/sh

PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

ALLARGS=$@
## Only the last part of the options, the host
TELNETHOST=$(echo $ALLARGS | sed -e 
s/^.*[[:blank:]]\+\([[:alnum:].]*\)[[:blank:]]*$/\1/)
## The machine name (no domain):
SHORTHOST=$(echo $TELNETHOST | sed -e s/\..*$//)

exec rxvt -bg Black -fg White -cr Red -font fixed \
  -name remotexterm -T Telnet: $TELNETHOST -n $SHORTHOST \
  -e sh -c export TERM=vt100; telnet $ALLARGS
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fundamentally unsecure).

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Re: xterm xterm-debian

2000-05-20 Thread Ian Zimmerman
 Andrew == Pollywog  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Andrew On Fri, 19 May 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tom What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal
tom variable everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what
tom xterm-debian is?  Since this happens quite often it is getting a
tom little tedious.

Andrew In the remote .bashrc, put

Andrew TERM=xterm

The right way:

In the remote .bashrc or .profile or whatever, do

export TERMINFO=$HOME/terminfo:$TERMINFO

On remote system, create a subdirectory ~/terminfo/x/
Copy local /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-debian to remote
~/terminfo/x/xterm-debian 

(Modification for termcap based remote systems left as exercise for
the user)

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xterm xterm-debian

2000-05-18 Thread tom
What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal variable
everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what xterm-debian is?
Since this happens quite often it is getting a little tedious.

Thanks



Re: xterm xterm-debian

2000-05-18 Thread Pollywog
On Fri, 19 May 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal variable
 everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what xterm-debian is?
 Since this happens quite often it is getting a little tedious.

 Thanks

In the remote .bashrc, put

TERM=xterm

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Re: xterm xterm-debian

2000-05-18 Thread Chanop Silpa-Anan
Once upon a time, I heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] say

 What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal variable
 everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what xterm-debian is?
 Since this happens quite often it is getting a little tedious.
 
 Thanks
See /usr/share/doc/xterm or X-strikeforce home page.

In potato, it seems like default term name has been chaged back to xterm.


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xterm-debian and SunOs

2000-01-26 Thread Brian May
Hello,

I have copied Debian's xterm-debian terminfo onto a SunOS computer
(under $HOME/.terminfo), so I can connect from a Debian xterm
without problems.

However, recently I have started noticing it doesn't work
properly on initial login (backspace doesn't work). Instead,
I have to type in

TERM=$TERM

(TERM is xterm-debian before and after.) I believe this command forces
zsh to reread the terminfo entry.

which fixes the problem. This seems kind of silly to me.  Any ideas?

I have the following line in my .zshenv file (yes, I use zsh):

export TERMINFO=$HOME/.terminfo

Perhaps zsh doesn't realize that the terminfo entry which previously
couldn't be found is now available.
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TERM=xterm-debian

1999-12-22 Thread Andrew J.F. Clark
Whenever I use ssh (I'm not sure about telnet) to connect to the
slakware boxes at work through an xterm or rxvt and try to use pine and
pico etc, I get an error about unknown terminal xterm-debian (or rxvt). 
I can solve this by export TERM=xterm, but I'm just wondering if there
is any particular reason debians xterm set TERM to this and if there
isn't, how do I change it so that it doesn't anymore.

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Re: TERM=xterm-debian

1999-12-22 Thread glhenni
Andrew J.F. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| Whenever I use ssh (I'm not sure about telnet) to connect to the
| slakware boxes at work through an xterm or rxvt and try to use pine and
| pico etc, I get an error about unknown terminal xterm-debian (or rxvt). 
| I can solve this by export TERM=xterm, but I'm just wondering if there
| is any particular reason debians xterm set TERM to this and if there
| isn't, how do I change it so that it doesn't anymore.

RTFM. Look at /usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian

Gary


Re: TERM=xterm-debian

1999-12-22 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 23 Dec, Andrew J.F. Clark wrote about TERM=xterm-debian
 Whenever I use ssh (I'm not sure about telnet) to connect to the
 slakware boxes at work through an xterm or rxvt and try to use pine and
 pico etc, I get an error about unknown terminal xterm-debian (or rxvt). 
 I can solve this by export TERM=xterm, but I'm just wondering if there
 is any particular reason debians xterm set TERM to this and if there
 isn't, how do I change it so that it doesn't anymore.
 

FAQ: Read /usr/{share/}doc/xterm/README.Debian

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Re: TERM=xterm-debian

1999-12-22 Thread aphro
thats just how it is ..it depends on what xterm you use,  I use
gnome-terminal(used to use kvt) and don't have a problem. This SGI Indy
I'm on set's it's default terminal to iris-ansi.  Slackware (3.2
anyways) had in the /etc/profile a detection routine for terminal type and
if it failed detection it would default to something, I usually just throw
a export TERM=vt100 into my /etc/profile or .profile if you dont have
root.  I think for 99% of things vt100 will work, for the other 1% change
them on an individual basis(i've never found a terminal app that didnt
work with vt100- although using vt100 on this SGI causes some screwy lines
but it does work..)

nate

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Andrew J.F. Clark wrote:

andrew Whenever I use ssh (I'm not sure about telnet) to connect to the
andrew slakware boxes at work through an xterm or rxvt and try to use pine and
andrew pico etc, I get an error about unknown terminal xterm-debian (or rxvt). 
andrew I can solve this by export TERM=xterm, but I'm just wondering if there
andrew is any particular reason debians xterm set TERM to this and if there
andrew isn't, how do I change it so that it doesn't anymore.
andrew 
andrew -- 
andrew Regards,
andrew Andrew Clark
andrew 
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Re: Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

1999-09-06 Thread Robert Varga


On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Brian E. Lavender wrote:

 When I telnet into another machine and I try to run a curses based 
 application I get the
 below error. Say I run mutt
 
 $ mutt
 
 Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

Try copying /etc/terminfo/x/xterm-debian to the appropriate place on the
remote machine. To determine the appropriate place, run locate xterm-sun.

That is usually found on all machines...

Robert Varga


Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

1999-09-05 Thread Brian E. Lavender
When I telnet into another machine and I try to run a curses based application 
I get the
below error. Say I run mutt

$ mutt

Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

I then type

$ TERM=vt100

$ mutt

now it runs

The remote curses based application will run. Is there a better way to do this, 
or
is this normal behavior?

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Re: Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

1999-09-05 Thread David Z. Maze
Brian E Lavender [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brian When I telnet into another machine and I try to run a curses
Brian based application I get the below error. Say I run mutt

Brian Error opening terminal: xterm-debian.

See /usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian for more information on why
xterm-debian is used and how to get the rest of the world to deal with 
it.

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Re: TERM=xterm-debian and other distributions

1999-08-20 Thread Eric G . Miller
  From the X-Strikeforce (debian port) page
  (http://www.debian.org/~branden/) heading xterm and the keyboard.

xterm and the keyboard

Debian has modified the key translations that xterm uses to make its
behavior more consistent with the Linux virtual
console. This has been achieved by setting the following X resource in
/etc/X11/Xresources/xterm.

  *VT100.Translations: #override KeyBackSpace: string(\177)\n\
   KeyDelete:
   string(\033[3~)\n\
   KeyHome: string(\033OH)\n\
   KeyEnd: string(\033OF)

The *VT100*backarrowKey was introduced into recent versions of xterm
released by XFree86; other versions of xterm will not recognize this
resource.


See the page for more info.
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TERM=xterm-debian and other distributions

1999-08-19 Thread Andy Spiegl
Hi!

Everytime I log into a non Debian system I have to set the
TERM variable to xterm or vt100 manually, because the system
doesn't know xterm-debian of course

I don't think this was intended, so I guess I must be missing
something.  Or how do you guys deal with that?

Thanks,
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Re: TERM=xterm-debian and other distributions

1999-08-19 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 19 Aug, Andy Spiegl wrote about TERM=xterm-debian and other 
distributions
 Hi!
 
 Everytime I log into a non Debian system I have to set the
 TERM variable to xterm or vt100 manually, because the system
 doesn't know xterm-debian of course
 
 I don't think this was intended, so I guess I must be missing
 something.  Or how do you guys deal with that?
 
 Thanks,
  Andy.
 

See /usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian for ways to deal with this and the
reasons behind it.

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Re: Redhat mutt with xterm-debian

1999-08-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 13:13:33 -0400, Andrew Leiserson wrote:
 but since I have the xterm-debian entry in ~/.terminfo/x/ I don't see why
 mutt shouldn't work.

Did you set the environment variable TERMINFO to point to $HOME/.terminfo ?

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Redhat mutt with xterm-debian

1999-08-16 Thread Andrew Leiserson
I have a problem running a RedHat compiled mutt on a terminal set to
xterm-debian. It fails with the message Error initializing terminal. and
leaves the terminal in a broken state (staircase effect with prompt, no echo
of what I type). 

It is possible to work around this with:
export TERM=nxterm
tset

but since I have the xterm-debian entry in ~/.terminfo/x/ I don't see why
mutt shouldn't work.

Is this a bug in the xterm-debian entry or in the redhat mutt?

Thanks,

Andy


Re: xterm-debian?

1999-02-25 Thread Alexander N. Benner
Hi

Ship's Log, Lt. Branden Robinson, Stardate 180299.0053:
 
 Users of slink and potato systems will need to see
 
 /usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian

That's were I found it ... :-)
ok .. why not add a link called xterm-color for compatibility?

I added it on my machine: /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-color
However xterm still doesn't use it (I had it in my .Xresources).
Do I have to put it in /etc/terminfo ?

Why are there two dir. btw. anyway?

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Re: xterm-debian?

1999-02-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:52:34AM -0800, George Bonser wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Thomas Gebhardt wrote:
 
  you may have a look at README.Debian in /usr/doc/xbase.
  
  Cheers, Thomas
 
 $ grep xterm-debian README.Debian
 $ 
 
 I think it is there to torment those of us that spend most of our day
 logged onto systems from other vendors.

Users of slink and potato systems will need to see

/usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian

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Re: xterm-debian?

1999-02-17 Thread Thomas Gebhardt
Hi,

 Does anyone know why the default TERM for xterm under Hamm is
 xterm-debian?  No other remote system has this term type defined and
 when I ssh from an xterm to such a remote system, I always get errors.
 
 (I'm aware of solutions like if TERM == xterm-debian then TERM = xterm)
 

you may have a look at README.Debian in /usr/doc/xbase.

Cheers, Thomas







xterm-debian?

1999-02-16 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Tue Feb 16 18:22:18 1999

Does anyone know why the default TERM for xterm under Hamm is
xterm-debian?  No other remote system has this term type defined and
when I ssh from an xterm to such a remote system, I always get errors.

(I'm aware of solutions like if TERM == xterm-debian then TERM = xterm)

Please CC: me.

Thanks,
Navin.


Why use xterm-debian?

1999-02-04 Thread Björn Elwhagen
Hi!

I've been annoyed for a long time now with the fact that Debian uses
xterm-debian as the TERM-variable. It can't surve any purpose for all i
know, if the purpose isn't to be as incompatible with other *IX
standards. Why not only use xterm-color instead?

I could always set TERM=xterm myself, but that create trouble for some
of the packages. And xterm-debian mucks with some programs that i
compile and install myself.

I don't know why they have started using this standard - but i sure
think it sucks. If anyone could give me a correct answer to WHY i would
be very grateful. Perhaps point me to some old discussion about it.

That's about the only thing i don't like with Debian at the moment. I
have been running it since Hamm was unstable and always used the
unstable branches and almost never had any big trouble with it.

Regards

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Re: Why use xterm-debian?

1999-02-04 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 13:38:49 +0100, Björn Elwhagen wrote:
 I've been annoyed for a long time now with the fact that Debian uses
 xterm-debian as the TERM-variable. It can't surve any purpose for all i
 know,

RTFM. In this case, http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html , or
(depending on your install) /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian or
/usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian .

HTH,
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Re: Why use xterm-debian?

1999-02-04 Thread David Wright
Quoting Björn Elwhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 I've been annoyed for a long time now with the fact that Debian uses
 xterm-debian as the TERM-variable. It can't surve any purpose for all i
 know, if the purpose isn't to be as incompatible with other *IX
 standards. Why not only use xterm-color instead?

 [snip]

 I don't know why they have started using this standard - but i sure
 think it sucks. If anyone could give me a correct answer to WHY i would
 be very grateful. Perhaps point me to some old discussion about it.

Apart from the technical reference given by someone else, I must just
point out that no amount of guided fiddling would get my xterm to
display a telnet session to SunOS5 correctly.

With xterm-debian, I just copied /etc/terminfo to .terminfo in my
SunOS5 home directory and everything works perfectly.

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TERM=xterm-debian

1999-01-24 Thread Ralph Winslow
When I use vi as root, it works as expected, but when I use is as
myself,
rjw, I get:

$ vi a_msg
vi: xterm-debian: unknown terminal type
$
It doesn't work with export TWRM=vt100 or export TERM=xterm either.
Where have I gone wrong?


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xterm-debian info

1999-01-04 Thread tony mollica
Hi.  Can someone point me towards information 
on the 'xterm' vs. 'xterm-debian' configuration
and any other documentation?


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Re: xterm-debian info

1999-01-04 Thread Brandon Mitchell
The reasoning is at the bottom of
http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html

HTH,
Brandon

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On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, tony mollica wrote:

 Hi.  Can someone point me towards information 
 on the 'xterm' vs. 'xterm-debian' configuration
 and any other documentation?


Re: xterm-debian

1998-12-23 Thread Rafael Kitover
On Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 06:45:42PM -0600, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
 On the other hand, I have 
 export TERM=xterm
 
 and still end up with xterm-debian when i telnet  ssh to digital unix.
 
 rick

See http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html for 
workarounds/solutions/rationale etc.

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-12-15 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 12:22:00PM -0500, Paul Miller wrote:
 What's the deal with the terminal setting xterm-debian?  Why can't it just
 be xterm, like with every other unix system?  It would may so things a
 little easier if it was xterm since most programs (to my knowledge) have
 never heard of a xterm-debian  setting and a few programs ask you to
 change the terminal type - like telnet for example.

It's not telnet who complains. It's the remote host you telnetted to. It does
not have a xterm-debian in it's termcap. Just export TERM=xterm before
connecting.

cu
Torsten (who likes xterm-debian because it is the only working xterm :))


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xterm-debian

1998-12-10 Thread Paul Miller
What's the deal with the terminal setting xterm-debian?  Why can't it just
be xterm, like with every other unix system?  It would may so things a
little easier if it was xterm since most programs (to my knowledge) have
never heard of a xterm-debian  setting and a few programs ask you to
change the terminal type - like telnet for example.

-Paul


Re: xterm-debian

1998-12-10 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 12:22:00 -0500, Paul Miller wrote:
 What's the deal with the terminal setting xterm-debian?

Read /usr/doc/xterm/README.Debian in frozen's xterm package.

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xterm-debian

1998-11-13 Thread M.C. Vernon
Dear all,

Where is that page that explaines why we use xterm-debian instead
of xterm? Searching for xterm-debian on the debian site only produces the
FAQumatic. I have seen this somewhere before (Branden's pages?), and need
it RSN, as someone has decided to flame me

Thanks,

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-11-13 Thread James Dietrich
On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 12:10:31AM +, M.C. Vernon wrote:
 Dear all,
 
   Where is that page that explaines why we use xterm-debian instead
 of xterm? Searching for xterm-debian on the debian site only produces the
 FAQumatic. I have seen this somewhere before (Branden's pages?), and need
 it RSN, as someone has decided to flame me

http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html

HTH,

James


Re: xterm-debian

1998-11-13 Thread servis
*- James Dietrich wrote about Re: xterm-debian
 On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 12:10:31AM +, M.C. Vernon wrote:
 Dear all,
 
  Where is that page that explaines why we use xterm-debian instead
 of xterm? Searching for xterm-debian on the debian site only produces the
 FAQumatic. I have seen this somewhere before (Branden's pages?), and need
 it RSN, as someone has decided to flame me
 
 http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html

Also look in /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian, which has a lot of the same
info.

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Michael Stutz wrote:

 On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Shao Ying Zhang wrote:
 
  But, is this the formal way or proper way to do it??
  
  What is xterm-debian?? Any additional features??
 
 Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.

?

I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.

Maybe I'm just being stupid again :(

Matthew

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
*-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
|  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
| 
| ?
| 
| I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.

On my slink system:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
  8

(meaning: xterm-debian is mention in eight lines in the file)

It also points you to http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html

Don't know about hamm, though.

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread M.C. Vernon

 *-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |
 |  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
 | 
 | ?
 | 
 | I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.
 
 On my slink system:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
   8

On my (mainly) hamm system:


pick:~/c$  grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
  0


Matthew

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread Jack Kern
On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
 
  *-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  |
  |  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
  | 
  | ?
  | 
  | I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.
  
  On my slink system:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
8
 
 On my (mainly) hamm system:
 
 
 pick:~/c$  grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
   0
 

On my hamm system:

$ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
  8


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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread M.C. Vernon

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Jack Kern wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
  
   *-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   |
   |  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
   | 
   | ?
   | 
   | I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.
   
   On my slink system:
   
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc 
   -l
 8
  
  On my (mainly) hamm system:
  
  
  pick:~/c$  grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
0
  
 
 On my hamm system:
 
 $ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
   8

:( Perhaps I should upgrade?

pick:~/c$ dpkg -s xbase
Package: xbase
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 5738
Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source: xfree86
Version: 3.3.2.1-1

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread Pann McCuaig
On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
 
  *-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  |
  |  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
  | 
  | ?
  | 
  | I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.
  
  On my slink system:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
8
 
 On my (mainly) hamm system:
 
 
 pick:~/c$  grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
   0

On my _COMPLETELY_ hamm system:

$ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
  8

So, what must be going on here?

Cheers,
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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread Michael Stutz
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, M.C. Vernon wrote:

 On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Michael Stutz wrote:
  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
 
 I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.

  * The default keymappings for xterm are different than they are upstream, to
comply with the Debian Keyboard Policy and make xterm's behavior more
consistent with the Linux virtual console.  There are three terminal types
(manipulated by the $TERM shell variable) recognized by terminfo, though
the same xterm binary is used in all cases:
  1) xterm (this is the traditional X11R6.3 xterm and is
 consistent with standard X11R6 xterms found on most other
 Unix machines) 
  2) xterm-xfree86 (this is XFree86's terminfo description for
 xterm) 
  3) xterm-debian (this is the Debian Project's terminfo
 description for xterm, based on the current XFree86 description
 but containing our modifications)
 There is a long list of technical reasons for the above (admittedly
 complicated) setup, which...



Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-28 Thread Jack Kern
On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 03:21:19PM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
 
 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Jack Kern wrote:
 
  On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
   
*-M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
|  Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.
| 
| ?
| 
| I've just read it, and it doesn't say anything about xterm-debian.
[...]
  On my hamm system:
  
  $ grep xterm-debian /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian | wc -l
8
 
 :( Perhaps I should upgrade?
 
 pick:~/c$ dpkg -s xbase
 Package: xbase
 Status: install ok installed
 Priority: optional
 Section: x11
 Installed-Size: 5738
 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Source: xfree86
 Version: 3.3.2.1-1

Package: xbase
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 5715
Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source: xfree86
Version: 3.3.2.3-1

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xterm-debian

1998-09-25 Thread Shao Ying Zhang
Hi all,
Another one!

When I telnet to uni(sys V release 4) and run pine, I got the msg
that xterm-debian unknown. I made it work by manually setting the XTERM
var to VT100.

But, is this the formal way or proper way to do it??

What is xterm-debian?? Any additional features??

regards,

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Re: xterm-debian

1998-09-25 Thread Michael Stutz
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Shao Ying Zhang wrote:

   But, is this the formal way or proper way to do it??
 
   What is xterm-debian?? Any additional features??

Check out /usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian for the scoop.

I put this line in my .bash_profile:

alias p=export TERM=xterm; pine

Then type p to run pine.


Re: xterm-debian

1998-08-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 05:16:33PM +0300, Heikki Vatiainen wrote:
 I solved the same problem I had with TERM=rxvt by copying the rxvt 
 entry from Linux to /usr/share/lib/terminfo/r directory in Solaris. 
 Another way to do this is to use TERMINFO variable and set it to e.g. 
 $HOME/.terminfo and put your xterm-debian entry in that directory. 
 However, I have not tried the latter method.

It does work, although Solaris will create the full set of
directories 0-9, A-Z, a-z under their and seems to copy terminfo
entries for any types you use from the system database to your
~/.terminfo; a bit hazardous if you're on quota (280k wasted).


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xterm-debian

1998-08-16 Thread Havoc Pennington

Hi,

I just upgraded to 2.0, I was running an old pre-2.0. Now when I ssh to a
remote server I get complaints about the lack of a terminfo entry for
xterm-debian.

Isn't there a way to add a terminfo entry in my remote home directory?
How? Or is there a better solution?

Thanks,
Havoc Pennington  http://pobox.com/~hp


Re: xterm-debian

1998-08-16 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
Hi,

I solved the same problem I had with TERM=rxvt by copying the rxvt 
entry from Linux to /usr/share/lib/terminfo/r directory in Solaris. 
Another way to do this is to use TERMINFO variable and set it to e.g. 
$HOME/.terminfo and put your xterm-debian entry in that directory. 
However, I have not tried the latter method.

The both methods above are second hand information. The original 
discussion was on debian-user last May by (at least) Will Love, Hamish 
Moffat and George Bonser under a subject terminal settings from linux-
Solaris.

What I have written above should summarize it, but you might want to check the 
list archives for more info.

// Heikki
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Re: xterm-debian

1998-08-16 Thread Raja R Harinath
Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I just upgraded to 2.0, I was running an old pre-2.0. Now when I ssh to a
 remote server I get complaints about the lack of a terminfo entry for
 xterm-debian.
 
 Isn't there a way to add a terminfo entry in my remote home directory?
 How? Or is there a better solution?

$ infocmp xterm-debian  xterm-debian.ti

will put the terminfo entry for `xterm-debian' into the file.
You can probably `scp' that file over to the remote machine.  Once you
login to the remote m/c., just do a

$ tic xterm-debian.ti

This will cause it to compile the terminfo entry and create a 
`$HOME/.terminfo/x/xterm-debian' file.  You may need to set the
TERMINFO variable to point to `$HOME/.terminfo'.

- Hari
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Re: xterm-debian

1998-08-16 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi,

Read /usr/doc/X11/README.Debian on your systems.  That file has
explanations and solutions for your problems with xterm-debian.

-Ossama


xterm-debian and pine problem

1998-07-23 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi,

I just added the xterm-debian terminfo file in the appropriate Solaris 2.6
location on our Solaris machine, in accordance with what
/usr/doc/xbase/README.Debian says.  When I start up an xterm on our 
Solaris machine remotely using SSH on our hamm system (Solaris xterm
displayed on hamm system) and then run pine in that xterm I have problems
with the colors.  The colors look something along the lines of what
dselect looks like in an xterm with a white background.  However, the
highlight bar that you would normally see when selecting an e-mail to
read from the pine index is not at all visible.  There is no change in the
color of the text that is apparently below the highlight bar.  I tryed
reversing the video but the same problem of an invisible highlight bar
occurs.  If I do a set term=xterm in the very same xterm and then re-run
pine the problem doesn't occur.  Similarly, if I slogin into the Solaris
machine and run pine I don't have the highlight problem, even though the
terminal type is set to xterm-debian.  The problem only seems to occur
if I start up a Solaris xterm via remote from my hamm system.

Any ideas as to what the problem might be?  I imagine that the same thing
will happen with other curses based applications that use highlight bars.
Is this a bug in the xterm-debian terminfo file/entry?

Incidentally, I am running Pine 4.02.

Thanks,
-Ossama


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xterm-debian exported as terminal type

1998-07-09 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

I'm not sure exactly when this started, but it seems to have been shortly 
after the freeze.

When I telnet to another machine with an xterm (e.g., xterm -e telnet abc.def 
), it informs the remote machine that terminal type is xterm-debian rather 
than xterm.  Other machines do not recognize this, and resort to dumb 
terminal settings.

I've tried setting TERM to xterm, and tried an export in my .xsession to no 
avail.

Does anyone have a solution?

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Re: xterm-debian exported as terminal type

1998-07-09 Thread joost


On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:

 I'm not sure exactly when this started, but it seems to have been shortly 
 after the freeze.

Since the latest XFree86 packages to be more precise.

 When I telnet to another machine with an xterm (e.g., xterm -e telnet 
 abc.def 
 ), it informs the remote machine that terminal type is xterm-debian 
 rather 
 than xterm.  Other machines do not recognize this, and resort to dumb 
 terminal settings.

It also annoys me a lot, but it appears that there are higher powers at
work here.  IIRC it is some sort of policy even and it is related to the
problems that Debian has been having with keymappings in xterms.  At
least the backspace key works for me now.   

 I've tried setting TERM to xterm, and tried an export in my .xsession to no 
 avail.
 
 Does anyone have a solution?

Try xterm -e TERM=xterm telnet abc.def as a short term kludge.
Another option is to globally alias telnet to TERM=xterm telnet.


Cheers,


Joost


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Re: xterm-debian?

1998-06-25 Thread jdassen
On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:05:57PM -0400, Ossama Othman wrote:
 What's the difference between a standard xterm and a xterm-debian
 terminfo/termcap entry?

 It's easy enough to do a set term=xterm but I really don't want to keep
 doing that.  Why did Debian create their own terminfo/cap entry and why
 was such a change necessary?

http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/22/22668.html

HTH,
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xterm-debian?

1998-06-24 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi,

What's the difference between a standard xterm and a xterm-debian
terminfo/termcap entry?  It is annoying to see the following when I try to
remote start an xterm on a non-Debian machine (via ssh):

tcsh: No entry for terminal type xterm-debian
tcsh: using dumb terminal settings.

It's easy enough to do a set term=xterm but I really don't want to keep
doing that.  Why did Debian create their own terminfo/cap entry and why
was such a change necessary?

Thanks,
-Ossama

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