RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [IMail Forum] Cannot receive messages from Comcast.net accounts

2003-08-27 Thread Marc Catuogno
Scott-After reading your e-mail recommending that you can hold on bad
headers I tripled the weight.  Although I really don't care much that this
was held right now if  virus did really come through my server I would like
to get this. Any idea why a Webshield Alert would fail BADHEADERS? (if that
is where this is really from...)


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] [IMail Forum] Cannot receive messages
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I've found that automated mail including opt-in newsletters, E-commerce
receipts, and product notifications, and renewal notices commonly fail the
BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS and HELOBOGUS tests.

Just to clarify here for those that aren't aware -- the BADHEADERS and
SPAMHEADERS test both look for headers that are rare in mail sent from
legitimate mail clients, and are fairly common in spam.  The difference in
that the BADHEADERS test includes non-RFC-compliant headers, whereas the
SPAMHEADERS test includes headers that are technically valid.  So a
legitimate E-mail should NEVER fail the BADHEADERS test -- and it is
therefore normally safe to block on it (since it is not a valid E-mail, and
many mailserver will block the E-mail).  However, the SPAMHEADERS test will
catch a fair amount of legitimate E-mail from poorly designed mail clients.

In this case, the weighting system helps out a lot, by only blocking E-mail
that fails multiple tests.

Note that we will work with any company that is sending out E-mails that
fail either test (at no charge) to help them fix their problems.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Webshield failing bad headers: WAS Cannot receive messages from Comcast.net accounts from Comcast.netaccounts

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Maybe you should e-mail them.  This was the version # in the headers:
The last time we tried that was when we found a DoS attack that WebShield 
was susceptible to -- but they didn't fix it for about a year.

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[Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Chuck Schick
In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.


 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -

X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential spam
source listed in OSRELAY.

I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were suppose
to quit using OSRELAY.

Thanks.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
303-421-5140
www.warp8.com

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.

 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -
X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential spam
source listed in OSRELAY.
I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were suppose
to quit using OSRELAY.
I hate to say it but:

 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

implies that *someone* thinks you should stop using relays.osirusoft.com.  :)

Apparently, they have had some serious problems (their web site hasn't been 
reachable for quite some time), and want people to stop using them.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Yes, this has been reported both on Imail list and this list at 08/24.
news.prodigy.com

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:14 PM
 To: Declude. JunkMail (E-mail)
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
 
 In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.
 
 
  X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com
 
 This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
 OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
 have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -
 
 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential
 spam
 source listed in OSRELAY.
 
 I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were
suppose
 to quit using OSRELAY.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Chuck Schick
 Warp 8, Inc.
 303-421-5140
 www.warp8.com
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Mark Smith
I've seen it to.
Additionally http://relays.osirusoft.com isn't responding and emails are
being bounced.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:14 PM
 To: Declude. JunkMail (E-mail)
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
 
 
 In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with 
 this warning.
 
 
  X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com
 
 This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to 
 fail the OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other 
 emails either do not have the warning or they show a normal 
 OSRELAY warming -
 
 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a 
 potential spam source listed in OSRELAY.
 
 I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that 
 we were suppose to quit using OSRELAY.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Chuck Schick
 Warp 8, Inc.
 303-421-5140
 www.warp8.com
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Fw: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Landry
FYI, looks like Joe Jared (of Osirusoft) is finally hanging it up.

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: James Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?


 Update OSIRUSOFT issue:

 I decided to go ahead and call Joe Jared since now our primary mail server
 is now listed as well and I can't get mail to him.

 
  - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (reason: 553 5.3.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  Mail from nitwit spammer
 198.83.204.156 refused see
 http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=198.83.204.156)

- Transcript of session follows -
 ... while talking to relays.osirusoft.com.:
  MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=1524
  553 5.3.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  Mail from nitwit spammer
 198.83.204.156 refused see
 http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=198.83.204.156
 501 5.6.0 Data format error
 

 I find this quite silly, I scanned our mail logs and I can say with
 certainty that spam is/has not been coming from our site.

 Anyway, when I called Mr. Jared, he stated that everyone needs to stop
using
 Osirusoft and that he's going to be shutting the service down.  And I got
 the impression that he's soon going to get his point across by
blacklisting
 the world.

 I'm not alone in this problem, a check on google groups will tell all.


http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8safe=offfra

me=rightth=b43eeebc8f1bd08cseekm=3LN2b.9658%24Ly2.1506055%40cletus.bright.
 net#link1

  If you are using osirusoft to pull the Spamhaus SBL, and announcement
was
  made by Steve Linford to stop using Osirusoft several weeks ago.

 SpamAssassin is used by thousands of admins and the use of Osirusoft needs
 to be reconsidered, especially with a new release coming out soon.  I
would
 appreciate any comments about this.


 Regards,
 Jim




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James
 Miller
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:33 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?


 With all the trouble OSIRUSOFT is having, is it time to stop using them?

 As of 12:40 this afternoon our mail server stopped accepting mail from our
 main web server because it was listed on osirusoft.  How I don't know
since
 it doesn't run an SMTP server -- it's protected by a dmz firewall which
 allows 80-443 in, smtp 25 to our internal mail server and 1024 out to the
 world, it's completely upto date, runs Norton virus scanner and tcpdump
over
 3 hrs only shows it sending messages to our internal mail server.  It's
hard
 coded to send billing, cancellation, reactivation messages to exactly one
 mail server on the inside of our firewall.

 news.admin.net-abuse.email is filled with messages/complains about them
from
 companies complaining that Joe Jared (founder of osirusoft and spews)
isn't
 responding to request to find out why their listed and how to get off the
 list.

 Also, it seems they are facing several law suites from several large
 corporation.

 And to add to it, they are (have been since Friday) under a DDoS attack,
 their web site is down, mail is not flowing to them (because of the attack
I
 assume) and I don't know what to do to get us off the list before our
class
 'C' networks get added short of calling him or sending a fax.  But I've
been
 told that he will permanently black list anyone who calls or faxes him
 directly.

 I have complete removed all osirusoft check in SA and Sendmail.  It may be
 time to completely remove them from SA all together.


 Regards,
 Jim




 James Miller, MCSE
 Network Administrator
 Simutronics Corporation
 www.play.net
 636.946.4263 x113




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[Declude.JunkMail] Filter question

2003-08-27 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I have setup a filter to froward all email that seems to be from the sobig
virus to a specian mail box.

Global.CFG
SOBIGFILTER filter  D:\IMail\Declude\SOBIG.txt  x   0  
 0

sobig.txt
REMOTEIP 0 IS 206.111.17.194
REMOTEIP 0 IS 66.185.39.38
REMOTEIP 0 IS 66.123.247.98
REMOTEIP 0 IS 69.37.1.22
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Details
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Approved
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Re: My details
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Thank you!
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: That movie
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Wicked screensaver
SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Your application
SUBJECT 0 IS Thank you!
SUBJECT 0 IS Your details

$default$.junkmail
SOBIGFILTER ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have sent an email with the subject line of Re: Wicked screensaver to test

declude does not seem to be running the test
We are running Declude v1.75i1

Where did I go wrong in setting this up?


Kevin Bilbee

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Robert Grosshandler
I'm feeling dumb this evening, so I'll share my dumb question, sorry in
advance.

The appropriate action for us to take then is to

A) do nothing
B) modify our global.cfg to comment out the 6 or so relays.osirusoft.com
tests
C) Something completely different

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance.

Rob


Yes, this has been reported both on Imail list and this list at 08/24.
news.prodigy.com

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Serge
hi scott

does this mean we need to stop using all of the tests below ?

OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.3 5 0
OSFORM  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.8 6 0
OSLIST  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.7 5 0
OSPROXY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.9 7 0
OSRELAY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.2 5 0
OSSMART  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.5 5 0
OSSOFT  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.6 5 0
OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.4 10 0
OSDIPS  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.3 5 0


- Original Message -
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.



 In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.
 
 
   X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com
 
 This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
 OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
 have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -
 
 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential
spam
 source listed in OSRELAY.
 
 I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were
suppose
 to quit using OSRELAY.

 I hate to say it but:

   X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

 implies that *someone* thinks you should stop using relays.osirusoft.com.
:)

 Apparently, they have had some serious problems (their web site hasn't
been
 reachable for quite some time), and want people to stop using them.

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?be used any more?

2003-08-27 Thread Rick Rountree
There have been similar posts on NANOG indicating xxx.osirusoft.com are 
returning all 127.0.0.2.  Apparently they are under a massive DDOS attack

Rick Rountree
Sr Network Admin
Dundee.Net
At 08:38 PM 8/26/2003, you wrote:
FYI, looks like Joe Jared (of Osirusoft) is finally hanging it up.

Bill
- Original Message -
From: James Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?
 Update OSIRUSOFT issue:

 I decided to go ahead and call Joe Jared since now our primary mail server
 is now listed as well and I can't get mail to him.

 
  - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (reason: 553 5.3.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  Mail from nitwit spammer
 198.83.204.156 refused see
 http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=198.83.204.156)

- Transcript of session follows -
 ... while talking to relays.osirusoft.com.:
  MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=1524
  553 5.3.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  Mail from nitwit spammer
 198.83.204.156 refused see
 http://relays.osirusoft.com/cgi-bin/rbcheck.cgi?addr=198.83.204.156
 501 5.6.0 Data format error
 

 I find this quite silly, I scanned our mail logs and I can say with
 certainty that spam is/has not been coming from our site.

 Anyway, when I called Mr. Jared, he stated that everyone needs to stop
using
 Osirusoft and that he's going to be shutting the service down.  And I got
 the impression that he's soon going to get his point across by
blacklisting
 the world.

 I'm not alone in this problem, a check on google groups will tell all.


http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8safe=offfra

me=rightth=b43eeebc8f1bd08cseekm=3LN2b.9658%24Ly2.1506055%40cletus.bright.
 net#link1

  If you are using osirusoft to pull the Spamhaus SBL, and announcement
was
  made by Steve Linford to stop using Osirusoft several weeks ago.

 SpamAssassin is used by thousands of admins and the use of Osirusoft needs
 to be reconsidered, especially with a new release coming out soon.  I
would
 appreciate any comments about this.


 Regards,
 Jim




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James
 Miller
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:33 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [SAtalk] OSIRUSOFT -- should they be used any more?


 With all the trouble OSIRUSOFT is having, is it time to stop using them?

 As of 12:40 this afternoon our mail server stopped accepting mail from our
 main web server because it was listed on osirusoft.  How I don't know
since
 it doesn't run an SMTP server -- it's protected by a dmz firewall which
 allows 80-443 in, smtp 25 to our internal mail server and 1024 out to the
 world, it's completely upto date, runs Norton virus scanner and tcpdump
over
 3 hrs only shows it sending messages to our internal mail server.  It's
hard
 coded to send billing, cancellation, reactivation messages to exactly one
 mail server on the inside of our firewall.

 news.admin.net-abuse.email is filled with messages/complains about them
from
 companies complaining that Joe Jared (founder of osirusoft and spews)
isn't
 responding to request to find out why their listed and how to get off the
 list.

 Also, it seems they are facing several law suites from several large
 corporation.

 And to add to it, they are (have been since Friday) under a DDoS attack,
 their web site is down, mail is not flowing to them (because of the attack
I
 assume) and I don't know what to do to get us off the list before our
class
 'C' networks get added short of calling him or sending a fax.  But I've
been
 told that he will permanently black list anyone who calls or faxes him
 directly.

 I have complete removed all osirusoft check in SA and Sendmail.  It may be
 time to completely remove them from SA all together.


 Regards,
 Jim




 James Miller, MCSE
 Network Administrator
 Simutronics Corporation
 www.play.net
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter question

2003-08-27 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I checked my logs and the REMOTEIP lines are catching the mail but the
subject lines with RE:  are not catching the mail. the subject lines
without the RE:  are catching the emails.

I have changed the IS in SUBJECT lines to CONTAINS and I get the same
results.

I want these emails because I have been successful at tracking down the
machine sending out the messages and getting the user to clean the virus.


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter question


 I have setup a filter to froward all email that seems to be from the sobig
 virus to a specian mail box.

 Global.CFG
 SOBIGFILTER   filter  D:\IMail\Declude\SOBIG.txt
 x 0   0

 sobig.txt
 REMOTEIP 0 IS 206.111.17.194
 REMOTEIP 0 IS 66.185.39.38
 REMOTEIP 0 IS 66.123.247.98
 REMOTEIP 0 IS 69.37.1.22
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Details
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Approved
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Re: My details
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Thank you!
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: That movie
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Wicked screensaver
 SUBJECT 0 IS Re: Your application
 SUBJECT 0 IS Thank you!
 SUBJECT 0 IS Your details

 $default$.junkmail
 SOBIGFILTER   ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have sent an email with the subject line of Re: Wicked
 screensaver to test

 declude does not seem to be running the test
 We are running Declude v1.75i1

 Where did I go wrong in setting this up?


 Kevin Bilbee

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Mark Brody
Well...made it to their web site and this is what it says

Due to the severe drain of resources, relays.osirusoft.com will be down for
an undetermined period of time. Please ask all sites using data from
relays.osirusoft.com to stop until further notice. 

So, I have commented out the tests until further notice.

MB

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:14 PM
To: Declude. JunkMail (E-mail)
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.


 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -

X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential spam
source listed in OSRELAY.

I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were suppose
to quit using OSRELAY.

Thanks.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
303-421-5140
www.warp8.com

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Landry
Yes, because if you do not disable the Osirusoft tests, it will only cause
unnecessary mail processing delays, as your queries wait for a response and
eventually time-out (approx 10 seconds), since the rbl is no longer
responding to queries, or is returning bogus responses.  In either case, not
a good thing...

Bill
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From: Serge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


 hi scott

 does this mean we need to stop using all of the tests below ?

 OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.3 5 0
 OSFORM  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.8 6 0
 OSLIST  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.7 5 0
 OSPROXY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.9 7 0
 OSRELAY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.2 5 0
 OSSMART  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.5 5 0
 OSSOFT  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.6 5 0
 OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.4 10 0
 OSDIPS  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.3 5 0


 - Original Message -
 From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


 
  In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.
  
  
X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com
  
  This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
  OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do
not
  have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -
  
  X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential
 spam
  source listed in OSRELAY.
  
  I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were
 suppose
  to quit using OSRELAY.
 
  I hate to say it but:
 
X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com
 
  implies that *someone* thinks you should stop using
relays.osirusoft.com.
 :)
 
  Apparently, they have had some serious problems (their web site hasn't
 been
  reachable for quite some time), and want people to stop using them.
 
  -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Landry
I would go with option B and comment them out.

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


 I'm feeling dumb this evening, so I'll share my dumb question, sorry in
 advance.

 The appropriate action for us to take then is to

 A) do nothing
 B) modify our global.cfg to comment out the 6 or so relays.osirusoft.com
 tests
 C) Something completely different

 Inquiring minds would like to know.

 Thanks in advance.

 Rob


 Yes, this has been reported both on Imail list and this list at 08/24.
 news.prodigy.com

 John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
 Engineer/Consultant
 eServices For You
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Webmaster Oilfield Directory
Okay. another one bites the dust. scheeesch,  pretty soon
there won't be many spam databases to choose from will there looks like
they are winning the battle but will they win the war


- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Yes, this has been reported both on Imail list and this list at 08/24.
news.prodigy.com

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:14 PM
 To: Declude. JunkMail (E-mail)
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

 In going thru the held mail I am finding some emails with this warning.


  X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: Please stop using relays.osirusoft.com

 This only shows up on a few emails but it causes the email to fail the
 OSRELAY test - meaning more false positives.  Other emails either do not
 have the warning or they show a normal OSRELAY warming -

 X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This E-mail came from XXX.27.65.23, a potential
 spam
 source listed in OSRELAY.

 I searched the archives but did I miss an announcement that we were
suppose
 to quit using OSRELAY.

 Thanks.

 Chuck Schick
 Warp 8, Inc.
 303-421-5140
 www.warp8.com

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[Declude.JunkMail] The Osirusoft saga...

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Landry
The latest news in the Osirusoft saga:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/27/0214238mode=nestedtid=111tid=126

Bill

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Okay. another one bites the dust. scheeesch,  pretty soon
there won't be many spam databases to choose from will there looks like
they are winning the battle but will they win the war
Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that there 
are plenty of spam databases left.  :)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter question

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

I checked my logs and the REMOTEIP lines are catching the mail but the
subject lines with RE:  are not catching the mail. the subject lines
without the RE:  are catching the emails.
That is odd.  Could there be spaces/tabs at the end of the lines that 
aren't working?

If that doesn't explain it, you can use LOGLEVEL DEBUG temporarily and 
send an E-mail through that should be caught by the filter -- you can then 
E-mail me the results, and I can take a look to see what went wrong.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Nick Hayer
 
 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that
 there are plenty of spam databases left.  :)
 
-Scott

You are correct  - BUT  - besides the default ones listed in the 
*old* manual how can we know which to use that give the most accurate 
results and are not duplicates of each other? Would it be possible 
for you to make a new recommended list?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the testing and
then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in case it helps you this
is what we have:

We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to evaluate
all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency that each test is
triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted the ones that hardly return
a positive.  The following are the ones we use now...

HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-CW
HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-HONGKONG
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-RR
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DEADBEEF
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (INTERSIL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS  9  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS  15  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SpamCop
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SPAMHAUS
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ybl

Regards,
Kami

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


 
 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that 
 there are plenty of spam databases left.  :)
 
-Scott

You are correct  - BUT  - besides the default ones listed in the 
*old* manual how can we know which to use that give the most accurate 
results and are not duplicates of each other? Would it be possible 
for you to make a new recommended list?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Mark Smith
Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0

With?
 

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Re: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread brian
Hi,

Thanks for your interest in Alligate. We recommend that you first look over
the product documentation so that you will have a good understanding of
Alligate's capabilities and installation requirements.

The documentation can be downloaded at the following address:

http://www.alligate.com/downloads.asp

Of particular interest to you would probably be the initial sections on setup
and operation. There is a considerable amount of detail on customizing,
however it will be extremely efficient with no customization whatsoever.

Please take a few minutes and peruse the documentation, and if this sounds
like it will do the job for you, please lets us know and we will mail
temporary license codes to you for evaluation.

We will be happy to supply you with a free 30 day license so that you can
evaluate the product. In order to generate the license and key codes for you
we will need to know the IP address for the computer you will be using to test
Alligate. We will also need to know the number of domains you will be
processing. These are both used in license key generation.

Pricing is determined by the number of domains your are receiving mail for.
Licensing costs are available at http://www.alligate.com/pricing.htm

Thanks again,

Brian Milburn
Solid Oak Software

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude mail failing spamheaders?

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

The Confirmation Required message from this list
did not pass the SPAMHEADERS test of Declude..:-)))
Why is that Scott??
That's because Ipswitch still hasn't fixed the bug in IMail1.exe where it 
won't add the Message-ID: header.

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[Declude.JunkMail] declude mail failing spamheaders?

2003-08-27 Thread Fred Caris (CWC)
Hi guys,

The Confirmation Required message from this list
did not pass the SPAMHEADERS test of Declude..:-)))

Why is that Scott??

Received: from declude.com [66.189.124.29] by mail.cwc.nl with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.13) id A85F9A01BA; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:55:43 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SPAM: Confirmation Required (confirmation #0b938b52001be656c534d44)
X-Confirmation: Provided by Declude http://www.declude.com
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:00:54 -0400
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.189.124.29]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by CWC Mailserver for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: OSRELAY, SPAMHEADERS [5]
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: U
X-UIDL: 323879117

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter question

2003-08-27 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Well Scott you are correct again. I had a cut and paste error in the filter
file all of the lines ended with an extra space except the last two lines.

Kevin Bibee


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 I checked my logs and the REMOTEIP lines are catching the mail but the
 subject lines with RE:  are not catching the mail. the subject lines
 without the RE:  are catching the emails.

 That is odd.  Could there be spaces/tabs at the end of the lines that
 aren't working?

 If that doesn't explain it, you can use LOGLEVEL DEBUG temporarily and
 send an E-mail through that should be caught by the filter -- you
 can then
 E-mail me the results, and I can take a look to see what went wrong.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Webmaster Oilfield Directory
wow! yes there are a lot... but that begs another important
question... which ones to use.. :( what is everyone else using ???
thanks

sheldon

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 Okay. another one bites the dust. scheeesch,  pretty soon
 there won't be many spam databases to choose from will there looks
like
 they are winning the battle but will they win the war

 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Bramble
FYI Andy, Netscape 7's mail program can't see your information 
(winmail.dat problem).

Regarding the discussion, I included several of the FIVETEN tests a few 
months back when I saw that Ipswitch was including them in their default 
configuration file (figured this would help that source's popularity and 
effectiveness).  I've found them to be over-zealous though so I don't 
score them high (they have tagged this discussion group with their 
FIVETENSPAM test, and FIVETENSPAMSUPPORT was blocking Yahoo/SBC 
customers).  FIVETEN has a few tests that work well with others because 
they apparently don't replicate blocks, but they don't hardly catch 
anything.  The ones that score the most hits are FIVETENSPAM, 
FIVETENSPAMSUPPORT, and FIVETENBULK, the others are hardly a blip..

I think you can search Scott's DNS-based test page for replacements for 
each of the individual Osirusoft tests by searching for commonalties in 
the descriptions.   I'm thinking that BLITZED, DSBL, SBL, MAILPOLICE, 
EASYNET and MONKEYPROXIES, which I am currently using, replicate most of 
the Osirusoft tests, so increasing the scores a little or maybe leaving 
them alone might be a good choice for me.

My stats from the 20th show that the OSPROXY and OSSRC Osirusoft tests 
were the most common flunked, but none really made big numbers, and the 
others hardly made an impact (less than 1%).  So increasing the scores 
of other proxy tests by a few points might handle OSPROXY and OSSRC was 
noted to be very similar to SPEWS, or maybe use the FIVETEN tests that I 
noted above, but score low.

Matt



Andy Schmidt wrote:

Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:




Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0
With?
 




[Declude.JunkMail] Osirusoft Blacklists The World

2003-08-27 Thread Hank Townsend
Scott:
 
The message below came over the Imail discussion board. Should I be removing
the lines:
 
OSDIPS  ip4r relays.osirusoft.com  127.0.0.3 5 0
OSFORM  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.8 5 0
OSLIST  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.7 5 0
OSPROXY  ip4r relays.osirusoft.com  127.0.0.9 7 0
OSRELAY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.2 5 0
OSSMART  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.5 5 0
OSSOFT  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.6 5 0
OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.4 6 0
 
from my Global.cfg?? Looks like I should but I would like the opinion of the
guru.
 
Thanks.
 
Hank
 
=
 
 

FYI. May affect some of you.

 

Osirusoft Blacklists The World 

 

As of today, Osirusoft, distributer of the SPEWS and open relay 

blocklists, among others, is no longer operational. Servers using these 

lists (including the FTC) are currently rejecting ALL email 

 

We contacted Mr. Jared by phone who informed us that 'everyone needs to 

stop using Osirusoft and that he's going to be shutting the service down.' 

Then he says he's going to blacklist 'the world' (aka, ban *.*.*.*) to get 

his point across. Later on this evening, he apparently went ahead and did 

just that 

 

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/27/0214238.shtml?tid=111
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/27/0214238.shtml?tid=111tid=126
tid=126 

 

 

 




Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread xavier monvoisin
I can't see your replacement suggestion 
Best regards
Xavier

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 Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results
for
 the last few hours:





 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt


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 Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

 #OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
 5   0
 #OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
 5   0
 #OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
 5   0
 #OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
 127.0.0.2   5   0
 #OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
 127.0.0.5   5   0
 #OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
 5   0
 #OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
 5   0

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Bramble
And here's my newly edited file:

DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org*50
MONKEYPROXIESip4rproxies.relays.monkeys.com   *
50
ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org*40
SPAMCOPip4rbl.spamcop.net127.0.0.2100
EASYNET-DNSBLip4rblackholes.easynet.nl127.0.0.2 
70
EASYNET-PROXIESip4rproxies.blackholes.easynet.nl
127.0.0.2 70
FIVETEN-SPAMip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.2
50
FIVETEN-BULKip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.4
100
FIVETEN-MULTISTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.5
50
FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORTip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
127.0.0.750
FIVETEN-MISCip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.9
70
BLITZEDALLip4ropm.blitzed.org*70
SBLip4rsbl.spamhaus.org127.0.0.2100

MONKEYFORMMAILip4rformmail.relays.monkeys.com*40
FIVETEN-SINGLESTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
127.0.0.650
FIVETEN-FREEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.12
50

MAILPOLICE-BULKrhsblbulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.2100
MAILPOLICE-PORNrhsblporn.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.2100
DSNrhsbldsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.210
NOABUSErhsblabuse.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.4
10
NOPOSTMASTERrhsblpostmaster.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.3
10

BONDEDSENDERip4rquery.bondedsender.org127.0.0.10
-200

BADHEADERSbadheadersxx30
BASE64base64xx30
HELOBOGUShelovalidxx50
MAILFROMenvfromxx70
IPNOTINMXipnotinmxxx0-2
PERCENTpercentxx20
#REVDNSrevdnsexistsxx00
ROUTINGspamroutingxx70
SPAMHEADERSspamheadersxx50
ALLIGATEexternalnonzeroC:\IMail\Alligate\NoXMail.exe30
#SNIFFERexternalnonzeroC:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\sniffer.exe 
authentication70
#CATCHALLMAILScatchallmailsxx00

WEIGHT10weightxx100



Andy Schmidt wrote:

Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:




Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0
With?
 



Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Bramble
Let me also correct one thing.  I mentioned SPEWS as an alternative to 
Osirusoft, but that one also comes from their servers :)  In otherwords, 
don't use that either (as noted in Hank's recent message).

Matt



Andy Schmidt wrote:

Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:




Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Andy Schmidt
Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:

 



Best Regards
Andy Schmidt


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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Osirusoft Blacklists The World

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

The message below came over the Imail discussion board. Should I be 
removing the lines:

OSDIPS  ip4r relays.osirusoft.com  127.0.0.3 5 0
OSFORM  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.8 5 0
OSLIST  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.7 5 0
OSPROXY  ip4r relays.osirusoft.com  127.0.0.9 7 0
OSRELAY  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.2 5 0
OSSMART  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.5 5 0
OSSOFT  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.6 5 0
OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com 127.0.0.4 6 0
from my Global.cfg?? Looks like I should but I would like the opinion of 
the guru.
That is correct.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Omar K.
Im really surprised that there isn't a site out there that reviews and rates
those RBLs. All I have seen is listings.

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wow! yes there are a lot... but that begs another important
question... which ones to use.. :( what is everyone else using ???
thanks

sheldon

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 Okay. another one bites the dust. scheeesch,  pretty soon
 there won't be many spam databases to choose from will there looks
like
 they are winning the battle but will they win the war

 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that
there
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[Declude.JunkMail] Another automated e-mail fails BADHEADERS

2003-08-27 Thread Marc Catuogno
It's a shame because I was catching a great deal more spam, but I may have
to back off on the weight of this test.  This looks like a log file that one
guy has e-mailed from a D-link router.  Why don't companies have this stuff
compliant.  sigh


Received: from DI-604 [65.41.30.4] by mail.prudentialrand.com
  (SMTPD32-7.15) id A52966300A0; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:58:33 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SPAM]DI-604 Log
Sender: DI-604
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: BADHEADERS: This E-mail was sent from a broken mail client
[c020020c].
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
[c020020c].
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 22 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [65.41.30.4]
X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd529066300a0a1b4.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BADHEADERS, IPNOTINMX, SPAMHEADERS, NOLEGITCONTENT

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Mark Smith
The fact that SPEWS is gone is not a bad thing!



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 Matthew Bramble
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.
 
 
 Let me also correct one thing.  I mentioned SPEWS as an 
 alternative to 
 Osirusoft, but that one also comes from their servers :)  In 
 otherwords, 
 don't use that either (as noted in Hank's recent message).
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Andy Schmidt wrote:
 
 Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the 
 results for the last few hours:
 
  
 
 
 
 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
 
 
 Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:
 
 #OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
 5   0
 #OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
 5   0
 #OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
 5   0
 #OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
 127.0.0.2   5   0
 #OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
 127.0.0.5   5   0
 #OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
 5   0
 #OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Im really surprised that there isn't a site out there that reviews and rates
those RBLs. All I have seen is listings.
The problem is that it is very, very difficult to determine the key piece 
of information: false positive ratios.  Most of the information that people 
have about the DNS-based spam tests are things like It works really well 
for me as a small business or As an ISP I find that I can't use it, it 
has more false positives than I want -- neither of which provides enough 
information to decide whether or not you should use it.

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[Declude.JunkMail] RBL list

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please excuse me if this have been discussed before but I wanted to find 
out what it would take for the Declude users to develop there own RBL of 
some sort?

Thanks,

Todd Hunter
Progressive Systems
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone have the command line to use SPEWS?

Thanks,

Todd



At 01:07 PM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
And here's my newly edited file:

DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org*50
MONKEYPROXIESip4rproxies.relays.monkeys.com   *
50
ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org*40
SPAMCOPip4rbl.spamcop.net127.0.0.2100
EASYNET-DNSBLip4rblackholes.easynet.nl127.0.0.2
70
EASYNET-PROXIESip4rproxies.blackholes.easynet.nl
127.0.0.2 70
FIVETEN-SPAMip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.2
50
FIVETEN-BULKip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.4
100
FIVETEN-MULTISTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.5
50
FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORTip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
127.0.0.750
FIVETEN-MISCip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.9
70
BLITZEDALLip4ropm.blitzed.org*70
SBLip4rsbl.spamhaus.org127.0.0.2100
MONKEYFORMMAILip4rformmail.relays.monkeys.com*40
FIVETEN-SINGLESTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
127.0.0.650
FIVETEN-FREEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.12
50
MAILPOLICE-BULKrhsblbulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.2100
MAILPOLICE-PORNrhsblporn.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.2100
DSNrhsbldsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.210
NOABUSErhsblabuse.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.4
10
NOPOSTMASTERrhsblpostmaster.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.3
10
BONDEDSENDERip4rquery.bondedsender.org127.0.0.10
-200
BADHEADERSbadheadersxx30
BASE64base64xx30
HELOBOGUShelovalidxx50
MAILFROMenvfromxx70
IPNOTINMXipnotinmxxx0-2
PERCENTpercentxx20
#REVDNSrevdnsexistsxx00
ROUTINGspamroutingxx70
SPAMHEADERSspamheadersxx50
ALLIGATEexternalnonzeroC:\IMail\Alligate\NoXMail.exe30
#SNIFFERexternalnonzeroC:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\sniffer.exe 
authentication70
#CATCHALLMAILScatchallmailsxx00

WEIGHT10weightxx100



Andy Schmidt wrote:

Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0
With?



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] RBL list

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Please excuse me if this have been discussed before but I wanted to find 
out what it would take for the Declude users to develop there own RBL of 
some sort?
See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4rinfo.htm for information on 
how a DNS-based spam database is set up (FYI, RBL is a trademark of MAPS 
and only applies to one spam test, RBL).

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi;

What I have found working the best was:

1:  Add as many of the tests as you want with 0 weight. 
2:  Add a header for every test
3:  Monitor your headers and adjust the weights accordingly.
4:  After several months start taking out the tests that their weight has
stayed 0.

This is a lengthy process but as Scott said this is not a one size fits
all... We still adjust our weights after all this time and just fine tune
them.

It has been discussed here over and over again and of course it is one of
Declude's strengths that allows you to not base your final decision based on
a single test.  What we find the tests most useful is with brand new spams
we get since on the average our weighing makes sure if something fails 4-5
tests they get into a holding weight.

Of course if we see a new spam its content will be marked and it no longer
needs any external weight to trap it.

Just some thoughts...

Kami


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Im really surprised that there isn't a site out there that reviews and 
rates those RBLs. All I have seen is listings.

The problem is that it is very, very difficult to determine the key piece 
of information: false positive ratios.  Most of the information that people 
have about the DNS-based spam tests are things like It works really well 
for me as a small business or As an ISP I find that I can't use it, it 
has more false positives than I want -- neither of which provides enough 
information to decide whether or not you should use it.

-Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Another automated e-mail fails BADHEADERS

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Bramble
There's not even a date header in that message.  What would an E-mail 
client even do with that?  1969?

I probably switched from Scott's methodologies very early on, requiring 
a message to fail BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS (combined score of 8) plus at 
least one other test before it gets rejected with a score of 10.  This 
actually still works pretty reliably and allows a lot of the poorly 
configured automated stuff get through.  If I failed on just those two 
tests, I would false reject more than double the rate that I am now 
(like Scott said, this is based on the types of customers I have and 
where they get their E-mail from).

The reason why I changed the methodology was because I noticed early on 
that almost all E-mail that failed BADHEADERS also fails SPAMHEADERS, so 
I'm essentially treating those two tests as one with the lower scoring 
on each.

Matt

Marc Catuogno wrote:

It's a shame because I was catching a great deal more spam, but I may have
to back off on the weight of this test.  This looks like a log file that one
guy has e-mailed from a D-link router.  Why don't companies have this stuff
compliant.  sigh
Received: from DI-604 [65.41.30.4] by mail.prudentialrand.com
 (SMTPD32-7.15) id A52966300A0; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:58:33 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SPAM]DI-604 Log
Sender: DI-604
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: BADHEADERS: This E-mail was sent from a broken mail client
[c020020c].
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
[c020020c].
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 22 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [65.41.30.4]
X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd529066300a0a1b4.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BADHEADERS, IPNOTINMX, SPAMHEADERS, NOLEGITCONTENT
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Bramble




I've found that my scoring in Declude shouldn't be indicative of what
is most
commonly associated with spam only, but also what is most commonly
associated with other tests and false positives. This speaks to the
trouble with rating
the individual blacklists, scoring them in isolation from one another
isn't quite as informative as you would think it would be, although it
is quite valuable to know the false positive rates of each individual
test so you can avoid them or score them lower.

Maybe instead of a
rating, people could come up with a standardized rule base that
blacklists use for blocking and removal, that way you could determine
from the rule base whether or not they are likely to so something
defeatist like block Yahoo/SBC's mail servers or rely on a slow update
process for open relays.

Matt



Omar K. wrote:

  Im really surprised that there isn't a site out there that reviews and rates
those RBLs. All I have seen is listings.

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wow! yes there are a lot... but that begs another important
question... which ones to use.. :( what is everyone else using ???
thanks

sheldon

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  Okay. another one bites the dust. scheeesch,  pretty soon
there won't be many spam databases to choose from will there looks
  

  
  like
  
  

  they are winning the battle but will they win the war
  

Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that

  
  there
  
  
are plenty of spam databases left.  :)

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread R. Scott Perry

Hm - may be this list doesn't support HTML mail (or doesn't support
attachments), here is that screen shot again, this time as a BMP file.
The problem is that you are trying to send a 250K attachment, which is 
clogging up our Internet connection.  Perhaps you could convert it to a 
small .jpg file?

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hm - may be this list doesn't support HTML mail (or doesn't support
attachments), here is that screen shot again, this time as a BMP file.

The replacements that I'm using are marked up red with the results for the
last few hours

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.


Here is the replacements that I'm using (marked up red) with the results for
the last few hours:

 



Best Regards
Andy Schmidt


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 09:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kami,

Could please elaborate on some of the tests here and how I might 
use them in Declude config.  You are rating them very high so I assume they 
are giving you good results.

BHOLE-BRAZIL,  BHOLE-BRAZIL  etc...

Thanks,

Todd



At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the testing and
then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in case it helps you this
is what we have:
We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to evaluate
all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency that each test is
triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted the ones that hardly return
a positive.  The following are the ones we use now...
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-CW
HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-RR
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DEADBEEF
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (INTERSIL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS  9  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS  15  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SpamCop
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SPAMHAUS
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ybl
Regards,
Kami
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that
 there are plenty of spam databases left.  :)

-Scott
You are correct  - BUT  - besides the default ones listed in the
*old* manual how can we know which to use that give the most accurate
results and are not duplicates of each other? Would it be possible
for you to make a new recommended list?
-Nick Hayer



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement question.

2003-08-27 Thread Andy Schmidt
The replacements that I'm using are marked up red with the results for the
last few hours.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Anyone have any recommendations on what to replace:

#OSDUL  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3
5   0
#OSFORM ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8
5   0
#OSLIST ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7
5   0
#OSRELAYip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.2   5   0
#OSSMARTip4rrelays.osirusoft.com
127.0.0.5   5   0
#OSSOFT ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6
5   0
#OSSRC  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4
5   0

With?


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kami,

Just to clarify,  I wanted to know about your tests labeled BHOLE-

Todd



At 02:09 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Kami,

Could please elaborate on some of the tests here and how I might 
use them in Declude config.  You are rating them very high so I assume 
they are giving you good results.

BHOLE-BRAZIL,  BHOLE-BRAZIL  etc...

Thanks,

Todd



At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the testing and
then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in case it helps you this
is what we have:
We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to evaluate
all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency that each test is
triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted the ones that hardly return
a positive.  The following are the ones we use now...
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-CW
HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BHOLE-RR
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DEADBEEF
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (INTERSIL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS  9  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS  15  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SpamCop
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (SPAMHAUS
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ybl
Regards,
Kami
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

 Actually, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm shows that
 there are plenty of spam databases left.  :)

-Scott
You are correct  - BUT  - besides the default ones listed in the
*old* manual how can we know which to use that give the most accurate
results and are not duplicates of each other? Would it be possible
for you to make a new recommended list?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi Todd:

Attached is the IMail blacklist file.  It has the detail of all the tests
that we run.  As stated earlier we do our tests in IMail and then add the
header to be later evaluated by Declude as filter files.

If you want simply replace this file in the IMail directory (version 8 only)
and all tests should show up in the spam lists.  We used to have these in
the Declude format with the IP's but since IMail does not need it we no
longer have that but I am sure if you want to use them in Declude they are
listed in the blackholes.us site..

BHOLE-BRAZIL*   brazil.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CHINA *   china.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CN-KR *   cn-kr.blackholes.us
 
BHOLE-HONGKONG  *   hongkong.blackholes.us
 
BHOLE-JAPAN *   japan.blackholes.us

BHOLE-KOREA *   korea.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RUSSIA*   russia.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CW*   cw.blackholes.us

BHOLE-LEVEL3*   level3.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RR*   rr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-VERIO *   verio.blackholes.us

BHOLE-XO*   xo.blackholes.us

We have found good results with these... 

Hope it helps.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards,
Kami

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Kami,

 Just to clarify,  I wanted to know about your tests labeled
BHOLE-

Todd



At 02:09 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Kami,

 Could please elaborate on some of the tests here and how I 
 might
 use them in Declude config.  You are rating them very high so I assume 
 they are giving you good results.

BHOLE-BRAZIL,  BHOLE-BRAZIL  etc...

Thanks,

Todd



At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the 
testing and then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in case 
it helps you this is what we have:

We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to 
evaluate all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency 
that each test is triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted the 
ones that hardly return a positive.  The following are the ones we use 
now...

HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CW
HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RR
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DEADBEEF
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(INTERSIL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS  9  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS  15  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SpamCop
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SPAMHAUS
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS  1  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks Kami,
We are
still on IMail 7.15. IMail 8 is sitting on the shelf until I have
some time to deal with the upgrade. I assume to include one of
these test in Declude it would be in the form of
CHINABLACKHOLE ip4r
china.blackholes.us
127.0.0.25 0

Todd

At 03:51 PM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Todd:
Attached is the IMail blacklist file. It has the detail of all the
tests
that we run. As stated earlier we do our tests in IMail and then
add the
header to be later evaluated by Declude as filter files.
If you want simply replace this file in the IMail directory (version 8
only)
and all tests should show up in the spam lists. We used to have
these in
the Declude format with the IP's but since IMail does not need it we
no
longer have that but I am sure if you want to use them in Declude they
are
listed in the blackholes.us site..
BHOLE-BRAZIL*brazil.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CHINA*china.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CN-KR*cn-kr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-HONGKONG*hongkong.blackholes.us

BHOLE-JAPAN*japan.blackholes.us

BHOLE-KOREA*korea.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RUSSIA*russia.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CW*cw.blackholes.us

BHOLE-LEVEL3*level3.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RR*rr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-VERIO*verio.blackholes.us

BHOLE-XO*xo.blackholes.us
We have found good results with these... 
Hope it helps.
Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Regards,
Kami
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

Kami,
 Just to clarify, I
wanted to know about your tests labeled
BHOLE-
Todd

At 02:09 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Kami,

 Could please
elaborate on some of the tests here and how I 
 might
 use them in Declude config. You are rating them very high so I
assume 
 they are giving you good results.

BHOLE-BRAZIL, BHOLE-BRAZIL etc...

Thanks,

Todd



At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file. We use IMail to do
the 
testing and then use a filter file to give them weight.
Just in case 
it helps you this is what we have:

We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program
to 
evaluate all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the
frequency 
that each test is triggered. We took the top so many and
deleted the 
ones that hardly return a positive. The following are the
ones we use 
now...

HEADERS
8
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS
10
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CW
HEADERS
20
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS
10
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS
3
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RR
HEADERS
8
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DEADBEEF
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS
6
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(INTERSIL
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS
10
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS
9
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS
15
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SpamCop
HEADERS
8
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SPAMHAUS
HEADERS
10
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS
5
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS
1
CONTAINS
X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ybl

Regards,
Kami

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Nick Hayer
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


 
  Actually,
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm
shows 
  that there are plenty of spam databases left. :)
 
  -Scott

You are correct - BUT - besides the default ones listed in the
*old* manual how can we know which to use that give the most accurate 
results and are not duplicates of each other? Would it be possible for 
you to make a new recommended list?

 -Nick Hayer



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kami,

I assume based on your weights that you are Holding at 20?

Todd





At 03:51 PM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Todd:

Attached is the IMail blacklist file.  It has the detail of all the tests
that we run.  As stated earlier we do our tests in IMail and then add the
header to be later evaluated by Declude as filter files.
If you want simply replace this file in the IMail directory (version 8 only)
and all tests should show up in the spam lists.  We used to have these in
the Declude format with the IP's but since IMail does not need it we no
longer have that but I am sure if you want to use them in Declude they are
listed in the blackholes.us site..
BHOLE-BRAZIL*   brazil.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CHINA *   china.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CN-KR *   cn-kr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-HONGKONG  *   hongkong.blackholes.us

BHOLE-JAPAN *   japan.blackholes.us

BHOLE-KOREA *   korea.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RUSSIA*   russia.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CW*   cw.blackholes.us

BHOLE-LEVEL3*   level3.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RR*   rr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-VERIO *   verio.blackholes.us

BHOLE-XO*   xo.blackholes.us

We have found good results with these...

Hope it helps.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards,
Kami
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.
Kami,

 Just to clarify,  I wanted to know about your tests labeled
BHOLE-
Todd



At 02:09 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Kami,

 Could please elaborate on some of the tests here and how I
 might
 use them in Declude config.  You are rating them very high so I assume
 they are giving you good results.

BHOLE-BRAZIL,  BHOLE-BRAZIL  etc...

Thanks,

Todd



At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Nick:

This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the
testing and then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in case
it helps you this is what we have:

We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to
evaluate all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency
that each test is triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted the
ones that hardly return a positive.  The following are the ones we use
now...

HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BROADWING
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CN-KR
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CW
HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-BRAZIL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-INFLOW
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-JAPAN
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-KOREA
HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-LEVEL3
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RR
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RUSSIA
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-VERIO
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-YIPES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DEADBEEF
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DELINK
HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBLALL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(FABELSOURCES
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (fiveten
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(INTERSIL
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(KUNDENSERVER
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (NJABL
HEADERS  9  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (ORDB
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SORBS-HTTP
HEADERS  15  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SpamCop
HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(SPAMHAUS
HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DNSBL
HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(WIREHUB-DYNA
HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi Todd:

Yes we hold on 20.

Regards,
Kami

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Kami,

 I assume based on your weights that you are Holding at 20?

Todd





At 03:51 PM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Todd:

Attached is the IMail blacklist file.  It has the detail of all the 
tests that we run.  As stated earlier we do our tests in IMail and then 
add the header to be later evaluated by Declude as filter files.

If you want simply replace this file in the IMail directory (version 8 
only) and all tests should show up in the spam lists.  We used to have 
these in the Declude format with the IP's but since IMail does not need 
it we no longer have that but I am sure if you want to use them in 
Declude they are listed in the blackholes.us site..

BHOLE-BRAZIL*   brazil.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CHINA *   china.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CN-KR *   cn-kr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-HONGKONG  *   hongkong.blackholes.us

BHOLE-JAPAN *   japan.blackholes.us

BHOLE-KOREA *   korea.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RUSSIA*   russia.blackholes.us

BHOLE-CW*   cw.blackholes.us

BHOLE-LEVEL3*   level3.blackholes.us

BHOLE-RR*   rr.blackholes.us

BHOLE-VERIO *   verio.blackholes.us

BHOLE-XO*   xo.blackholes.us

We have found good results with these...

Hope it helps.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards,
Kami

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.


Kami,

  Just to clarify,  I wanted to know about your tests labeled 
BHOLE-

Todd



At 02:09 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
 Kami,
 
  Could please elaborate on some of the tests here and how I 
  might use them in Declude config.  You are rating them very high so 
  I assume they are giving you good results.
 
 BHOLE-BRAZIL,  BHOLE-BRAZIL  etc...
 
 Thanks,
 
 Todd
 
 
 
 At 09:25 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
 Hi Nick:
 
 This is what we have in our filter file.  We use IMail to do the 
 testing and then use a filter file to give them weight.  Just in 
 case it helps you this is what we have:
 
 We had all of what is listed in Declude site and wrote a program to 
 evaluate all the server logs for 5 months and pick up the frequency 
 that each test is triggered.  We took the top so many and deleted 
 the ones that hardly return a positive.  The following are the ones 
 we use now...
 
 HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-BRAZIL
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-BROADWING
 HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-CN-KR
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-CW
 HEADERS  20  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-BRAZIL
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-INFLOW
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-JAPAN
 HEADERS  10  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-KOREA
 HEADERS  3  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-LEVEL3
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(BHOLE-RR
 HEADERS  8  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-RUSSIA
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-VERIO
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (BHOLE-YIPES
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (BLARS
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (COMPU
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DEADBEEF
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DELINK
 HEADERS  6  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL: (DSBL
 HEADERS  1  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
(DSBLALL
 HEADERS  5  CONTAINS  X-IMAIL-SPAM-DNSBL:
 (FABELSOURCES
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY question.

2003-08-27 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Until a few days ago, I was using SORBSALL, but on checking out their home
page, I found that it had grown quite a lot since I started using it.

Since JunkMail will only incur the lookup once, I suggest that if you're
using SORBS that you break it up into all the little tests to query the same
rbl, and set your weights accordingly.  I found that a) this is much more
flexible and b) much more effective, very spammy sources are listed under
multiple categories.

Check out the bottom of the page for the description and usage of the
individual tests and return codes, then set your weights and actions as you
see fit:

http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/using.html

Andrew 8)

#   This is an automatically maintained list generated by spamtraps whose 
messages
#   are then tested by a community maintained script at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sorbs/
#   For the all-in info, see the home page at http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/
#SORBSALL   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net *   7   0

#open web proxy servers
SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   7   0

#open socks proxy servers
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   7   0

#open proxies that are neither web nor socks
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   7   0

#open smtp relay servers
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   7   0

#hosts that send spam and netblocks of providers that support spammers
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   7   0

#hosts that have spammer abused vulnerabilites, e.g. formmail script
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   7   0

#hosts that demand that they are never to be scanned by SORBS
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   3   0

#hosts that are in a netblock hijacked from someone else
SORBS-ZOMBIEip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9   7   0

#hosts that are in a dynamic IP range at their ISP
#this one gets us in trouble because our HOP settings usually catch the workstation
#as it sends to its own ISPs mail server, and we can't differentiate between a server
#that sends the mail and the workstation...
#SORBS-DUL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  3   0

#hosts that have badly configured DNS, e.g. private IP addresses or broadcasts
SORBS-BADCONF   rhsbldnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.11  3   0

#domains where the correct admin has stated that mailfrom should never be from this 
domain
#eg corp.supernews.com and news.supernews.net
SORBS-NOMAILrhsbldnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.12  1   0