RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Check for valid email recipients
We use ASSP for recipient checking at our gateways. We do not use any other feature. ASSP is quick to install and configure. Set it up to use a text file for the recipients, then upload the recipients text file. Kevin Bilbee From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of Craig Edmonds Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:27 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Check for valid email recipients I used to get loads of backscatter attacks and then i found Alligate and I never experienced backscatter again! Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet Services W: http://www.123marbella.net/ www.123marbella.com E : mailto:cr...@123marbella.com cr...@123marbella.com From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of redbara...@qwest.net Sent: 22 March 2009 16:09 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Check for valid email recipients Yes, that is the we are currently listed on. _ From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of Craig Edmonds Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Check for valid email recipients Are you talking about backscatter? Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet Services W: http://www.123marbella.net/ www.123marbella.com E : mailto:cr...@123marbella.com cr...@123marbella.com Craig Edmonds - PGP Public Key To obtain a copy of my PGP Public Key, please go to the following URL: http://www.123marbella.com/pgp/ http://www.123marbella.com/pgp/ Craig Edmonds - LinkedIN Information To view my LinkedIn Profile, please go to the following URL http://www.linkedin.com/in/craigedmonds http://www.linkedin.com/in/craigedmonds Craig Edmonds - BLOG To view my personal blog go to the url below http://www.craig-edmonds.com http://www.craig-edmonds.com/ LEGAL DISCLAIMER - This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby informed that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please delete it and any copies of it and notify it to the sender. AVISO LEGAL - Este mensaje puede contener informacion confidencial, en propiedad o legalmente protegida y esta dirigida unicamente para el uso de la persona destinataria. Si usted no es la persona destinataria de este mensaje, por la presente se le comunica que no debe usar, difundir, copiar de ninguna forma, ni emprender ninguna accion en relacion con ella. From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of redbara...@qwest.net Sent: 22 March 2009 03:02 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Check for valid email recipients I am using Declude 4.3.7 with Smarter Mail 4.3 with a couple of domain forwarding setup for basic spam virus filtering. I am running into the problem that one of the domains that are forwarded is getting slammed with invalid email address on the domain. Since SM doesn't check for a valid user on the end server I am getting a huge amount of failure noticed trying to go back to invalid senders. This is causing a very large spool and we are getting black listed. Does anyone have a script or a config that would address this? I am ok with deleting the email if it is not a valid recipient if that is my only chose. Thanks Rick --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Re[8]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes
I will admit, Bind is not the easiest thing to setup if you are a new admin. The first time I tried to setup bind it took me about 3 hours, but to me the benefits outweigh commercial packages. Including reading on-line documentation and eliminating one error at a time, making sure it was secure. But now that I have the minimal settings it is a 5 minute setup. I have passed these instructions on to many other not so experienced admins. These instructions work on any platform bind will run on. Just change the paths to suit the OS. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:48 AM To: Kevin Bilbee Subject: Re[8]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes I have a suggestion since DNS is so critical to Declude. A secure recursive bind implementation can be setup in less than 5 minutes. Kevin, thank you very much for proving the absurd ease with which this one (of many) DNS servers can be set up for this purpose, and to everybody else who voiced their agreement. I expect the voices of the qualified sysadmins here are unified. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[8]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes
Not to be picky but run this query instead nslookup -q=mx gmail.com. 1.2.3.4 If you do not include the dot it may append the default domain for the windows box to the query. If there is no default domain specified then all is good. But the extra do will always work. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:35 PM To: Linda Pagillo Subject: Re[8]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes Yeah, that would surprise me utterly, since they wouldn't be able to do _anything else_ with said servers that would lead them to believe they were suitable for Declude's use. I worked for an ISP for a long time before joining Declude. DNS servers are NOT useless without the recursive DNS option turned on. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it is incorrect. What I said was (it's right there above, please reread) there is nothing else they could do with said servers _that would lead them to believe they were suitable for Declude's use_. That is obvious. There is no reason anyone should think that authoritative-only nameservers are their DNS servers. Such servers could not be the servers they use to surf the web, for example. The only reason they would enter such a server into the Declude config is because they have not been sufficiently briefed on the characteristics of the server that is suitable for Declude vs. one that may not be used. The test can you run 'nslookup -q=mx gmail.com 1.2.3.4' is enough to tell people that the 1.2.3.4 is or isn't valid. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes
I would have to agree with sandy. I use Open DNS at home as an extra step to keep my kids off of unwanted web site, I also use other measures. Two week ago we had no DNS services for an hour from OpenDNS. This would definitely cause issues with a mail server. I would place a CACHIND DNS software on the local machine. We use BIND and do not have a single problem with it. It runs solid. We are on W2k SmarterMail. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Pagillo Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:30 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes Sandy, we suggest that you use the one that we recommend because 95% of issues with declude are related to in-house DNS servers not working to do recursive lookups correctly causing problems for our customers. I'm sure Todd has the skills to support his own DNS server as well, but that has nothing to do with why we suggest to use ours. We have seen the problem with in-house DNS servers so many times that we thought it would be a good idea to provide a suggestion to our customers. _ From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:06 PM To: Linda Pagillo declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS Changes Also, we suggest that you use the following DNS server with Declude 208.67.220.220. This is an OpenDNS server and it is extremely reliable. Sorry to be meddlesome, but recommending that a single, remote, uncontrolled DNS server always be used for Declude's RBL lookups kinda flies in the face of best practices. The very reason people run their own recursive DNS servers is to increase performance, and in 2008, if you can't install and support one of the several high-performance DNS servers out there (Simple DNS, PowerDNS, BIND, MS DNS) for recursive use only, chances are you should be outsourcing your anti-spam measures as well. From experience, I'm sure Todd has the skills to support his own DNS, so it seems defeatist to suggest he do otherwise after this migration period. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] version 4.4.20
Just under that should b a link with a username and password to download the interim. I downloaded the new version today. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:50 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] version 4.4.20 On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:48 AM, David Barker wrote: The readme.txt which is available at the interim site provides the updates (release notes). As we have just put out the 4.4.20 I have not as of yet updated the .txt file, which I will do later today. When I login into my account, it still says version 4.4.00 as the latest release. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Reasons to renew
After seeing Matt’s post here about not renewing his JunkMail subscription. I’m asking Declude to respond to the group as to why any of us with perpetual licensing. Our SA expires soon and I would like to know the value of renewing. The updates to Declude have been extremely slow and in some cases painful since Scott sold out. Any idea when ZEROHOUR will be available for use in %TESTSFAILED% Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives 3M Simi Valley [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Header Munged in Body
Easiest thing to do is turn off the declude service. Run the script. Then get the source from the declude folder. This file will be exactly what is received from smarter mail. Then turn declude back on to process the mail waiting. You can then post the source here. I would zip the source and attach it so we can look at the source without having to worry about the email munging it. I have done this process a few times and it has worked wonderfully in tracking down bad header issues with scripts and web site forms. And yes it seems the hay day of the declude mail list is over. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Jaworski Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:20 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Header Munged in Body Boy this list is so quiet compared to the old days. I have not seen this lately but we have a new customer who uses a script to send a status message to our SmarterMail/Declude setup which is forwarded to a Postfix server mailbox for final delivery. Only when it is forwarded do they see the XIN Added headers at the top of the body. As usual the case we need to prove we(Declude/SM) are not the source of the problem by finding the real source. Our past experience moves us to point the source of the problem is the script e-mail structure itself. Does anyone know of a test site to point their script e-mail to validate the structure of that e-mail? Thanks, Mike J --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Indicate msg size in header on an authenticated whitelisted
This list is as quiet as declude’s new releases of the software. Development seems to have iced over for bug fixes and new features. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (lists) Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:35 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Indicate msg size in header on an authenticated whitelisted 2 years ago, I would have had a dozen replies by now and even possible a nice discussion going on. Where is everybody? John T From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (lists) Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:05 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Indicate msg size in header on an authenticated whitelisted I am trying to figure out how to add a line in the header of a message to indicate it is over xKB in size with that incoming message being whitelisted via authenticated sender. Example, user1 on the local Imail server sends a message to user2 on the local Imail server, hence the email is whitelisted since user1 authenticated. But the message is over 2 MB and user2 is currently traveling and using a slow broadband card. The desired action is to have a test that “fails” on the over 1 MB size and an inbound rule on user2 that will then move that message to a submail box called LargeFiles. This way, user2 when he connects via his Outlook does not try to download that email, instead he will be responsible for checking that folder via webmail and then if he needs it right away he can either download the attachment via webmail or move it to his normal inbox. Thoughts, Ideas, cookies? John T --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude ??? Long Delay Processing?
We have had this in the past. Look at your DNS server being used by declude. It can take a long time to process the DSN based tests if your DNS server is timing out. Debug mode should tell you if this is what is happening. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:08 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude ??? Long Delay Processing? On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Richard Lyon wrote: If you run sniffer, then try updating its rule file. I saw this problem with a corrupted sniffer rule file. I do automatically as soon as they come in which seems to be several times a day --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] DNS Root IP change
Read here to see if this affects your servers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/06/icann_rolls_out_new_root_name_server_address/ Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Hosting
Due to a buyout I need to move five domains two with email to another host. About 20 mail accounts. I need ASP for one of the sites. Any recommendations on hosting? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Test types order
What order do the different test types trigger? What I am trying to do is find emails that Fail both INV-URIBL and ZEROHOUR but it seems that the ZEROHOUR is ran after the filters? Which makes the TESTFAILED variable in this case useless. Is there a way to run zero hour before the filters run? Or to test for the failure of both tests? MINWEIGHTTOFAIL 28 TESTSFAILED 14 CONTAINS ZEROHOUR TESTSFAILED 14 CONTAINS INV-URIBL I have yet to see a legitimate email fail both of these tests! Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] How to whitelist this
How does the whitelist features work? We receive various emails from fedex with different domain portions of the email. I have @fedex.com fedex.com In our domain level whitelist? But they emails do not seem to be getting white listed. It seems that the whitelist works on the following [EMAIL PROTECTED] – the entire email address @fn3nds2.prod.fedex.com – the entire domain including the @ fn3nds2.prod.fedex.com – Just the domain portion How do I whitelist just on the first subdomain like fedex.com? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How to whitelist this
Frankly, I did not think of it, in general I do not like negative weighting. But it may apply in this situation. We use negative weighting in rare occasions. I realize the RDNS is more secure and will not be prone to spammers faking the address. BUT, Also, our users use the trusted senders in SmarterMail with Declude and I would like to put out a FAQ to them on this issue to better clarify to them the functionality of whitelisting. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 1:31 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How to whitelist this Why not just base it on a REVDNS test for .fedex.com and assign a large negative weight? -- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail, mxGuard, and ORF. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. Kevin Bilbee wrote: How does the whitelist features work? We receive various emails from fedex with different domain portions of the email. I have @fedex.com fedex.com In our domain level whitelist? But they emails do not seem to be getting white listed. It seems that the whitelist works on the following [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] – the entire email address @fn3nds2.prod.fedex.com – the entire domain including the @ fn3nds2.prod.fedex.com – Just the domain portion How do I whitelist just on the first subdomain like fedex.com? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] frustration
We are on SmarterMail 3.x and run invURIBL and Commtouch ZEROHOUR. We do not run sniffer. We get very few smaps to the user boxes. Most users get none and the heavier email user get 1-3 a day. We delete about 85% of incoming spam the other 14% get held for review and less than one half of one percent gets through to mailboxes. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uwe Degenhardt Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:46 PM To: Craig Edmonds (123marbella.com) Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] frustration Hi Craig and everybody who answered my contribution. It was more a sign of my deep desperation I sometimes feel. But I get new hope now. Obviously with Declude alone (We run Smartermail 3.x) we can't catch them all. I will try Sniffer, invURIBL and Commtouch. I hope they all run with SM. Thanks everybody. Uwe Same Here. Subscribe to the following plugins in addition to Declude...(unfortunately on its own its not enough unless you sit tweaking it all day everyday) Sniffer from Armresearch invURIBL from invariant systems ZEROHOUR from Commtouch With that combo you cant go wrong. Kindest Regards Craig Edmonds 123 Marbella Internet W: www.123marbella.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: 18 July 2007 23:57 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] frustration We're running pretty well... catching somewhere between 99.7% and 99.9% of incoming spam. Declude 2.0.6 (waiting on Imail 2006 to stabilize before upgrading to the latest version) on IMail 8.22, along with Sniffer and invURIBL. Darin. - Original Message - From: Uwe Degenhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] frustration Hi everybody on the list, please excuse me, but I would like to share my frustration with you. I am poured with SPAM the last two-to-three weeks. It gets worse every day. Am I the only one who is seeing this ? I am in a good contact with David of Declude. He is doing a fantastic job, but sometimes I loose my faith and my trust, that we can win the SPAM-fight. It appeals to me, as it is like the old principle: If you put water on the fire at one place, you have to run to the next place to delete it there too. And the SPAMMERs will get cleverer everyday. What do you guys think ? Are you frustrated as well ? Uwe --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Degenhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Outlook Junk Mail Folder
We have our users turn off the outlook junkmail filtering. It is more of a headache than it is worth. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:11 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Outlook Junk Mail Folder Hi All, I have a client that we generate mailings for and one of their messages is for some reason being placed in the Outlook Junkmail Folder. There is very little to the email and there aren't any Buy nows or anything like that in the message. Declude and Sniffer have no problem with it either. However, Outlook keeps flagging it as junk mail. Does anyone have any ideas as to finding out why Outlook is doing this or how to get around it? Thanks, Dean -- __ Dean Lawrence, CIO/Partner Internet Data Technology 888.GET.IDT1 ext. 701 * fax: 888.438.4381 http://www.idatatech.com/ Corporate Internet Development and Marketing Specialists --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Outlook Junk Mail Folder
Then best wishes to you; With the outlook junkmail filter turned on you will continually run into this issue. I would suggest writing a faq on how to turn it off and sent it to every user. Telling the benefits of turning it off and the consequences of leaving it on! This may not be possible but it is worth a try! Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Outlook Junk Mail Folder Thank Kevin. If only I could do that. They are a very large corporation with over 1,000 users. 8-p On 6/20/07, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have our users turn off the outlook junkmail filtering. It is more of a headache than it is worth. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:11 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Outlook Junk Mail Folder Hi All, I have a client that we generate mailings for and one of their messages is for some reason being placed in the Outlook Junkmail Folder. There is very little to the email and there aren't any Buy nows or anything like that in the message. Declude and Sniffer have no problem with it either. However, Outlook keeps flagging it as junk mail. Does anyone have any ideas as to finding out why Outlook is doing this or how to get around it? Thanks, Dean -- __ Dean Lawrence, CIO/Partner Internet Data Technology 888.GET.IDT1 ext. 701 * fax: 888.438.4381 http://www.idatatech.com/ Corporate Internet Development and Marketing Specialists --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- __ Dean Lawrence, CIO/Partner Internet Data Technology 888.GET.IDT1 ext. 701 * fax: 888.438.4381 http://www.idatatech.com/ Corporate Internet Development and Marketing Specialists --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] APEWS
Be careful there level 2 list blocks /9 ranges. Like 12.0.0.0/9 this is ATT Kevin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:00 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] APEWS They seem to have pretty good hit rates at http://www.sdsc.edu/~jeff/spam/cbc.html especially the rhsbl Looks like I need to look at the pbl.spamhaus.org again. Those numbers are up pretty good too. That’s the beauty of Declude in my opinion, I can add these lists at a low weight and see how they perform. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:51 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] APEWS What do you all think of APEWS? After reading their website they seem to be a little heavy handed? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] APEWS
What do you all think of APEWS? After reading their website they seem to be a little heavy handed? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Winsock Cleanup
What version of Imail. A few years back I reported a problem to IPSwitch that the monitor application, part of IMail, would suck up all the available TCP ports on the server. I narrowed it down to the web monitor. Try turning off the web monitor or better yet IMail monitor altogether and see if your problem goes away. As far as I know they never fixed the issue, or at least I never saw the fix in any of the release notes. We are now on SmarterMail and do not miss all the denials when reporting bugs that IPSwitch would throw out. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:34 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Winsock Cleanup Sensitivity: Personal Hi, Does anyone have any comment on the attached email (possibly even Declude personnel)? I checked the mailing list archive – and it seems to imply as if the WinsockCleanup is specific to DNS problems and results in queues filling up. In my example, Imail and Declude didn’t seem to be filling up queues. The couldn’t because TCP/IP would not let any inbound connections go through… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Winsock Cleanup Sensitivity: Personal Hi, What are the symptoms related to Winsock Cleanup? After running fine for 2 months or so (except for occasional reboots for Hotfixes), the mail server stopped working on the TCP/IP level. It didn’t respond to Ping from the outside. You could log into the console and Ping to itself. There was also some notice about a Browser Election during the outage – so it seems as if there was still communication on the Ethernet layer (such as LAN segment broadcasts). A reboot resolved the issue. Does this sound like the situation that this option is intended to fix: #WINSOCKCLEANUP some customers had issues related to their network stack causing loss of functionality for basic #network operations.The default for this directive is OFF #WINSOCKCLEANUP OFF Is it consistent with this problem, that the server might have worked fine for a few months and had been rebooted just a few days prior – and to suddenly display this behavior? What’s the impact if that is set to “ON” unnecessarily? Best Regards, Andy --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] HELP with tqmcube.com
Our primary mail server is listed by these guys and I have issued a removal request on their web site over 13 days ago. There web site states they normally have a removal request in 4 hours. I have tried to contact them with the email address on their domain registration and also no reply, the phone number on their domain registration has is disconnected. I have also sent an email using their contact page and also no reply. Does anyone know how to contact them. I see the name David Cary Hart on the site and other places on the net. Does anyone have any idea on how to get him to reply? I would really like to know why we are listed and to see a sample message they received that listed us. It is difficult to correct a problem when the organization that states there is a problem will not reply and within their own stated guidelines. Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP with tqmcube.com
Thank you for the suggestion. I did that. But ahh still no answer. After reading their site I was actually thinking of using them with Declude. But is this is how they respond to removal requests then I cannot see using them. There would be too much collateral damage. I am guessing that we were listed due to bounce messages. Our gateways did not previously validate the recipients. It now does do that validation thanks to ASSP. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP with tqmcube.com I suggest that you always use a different source IP and sender domain name when contacting the admin for a blacklist, because they often filter their own mail with their blacklist, so they won't see your plea. Stupid, but true. Andrew. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:18 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] HELP with tqmcube.com Our primary mail server is listed by these guys and I have issued a removal request on their web site over 13 days ago. There web site states they normally have a removal request in 4 hours. I have tried to contact them with the email address on their domain registration and also no reply, the phone number on their domain registration has is disconnected. I have also sent an email using their contact page and also no reply. Does anyone know how to contact them. I see the name David Cary Hart on the site and other places on the net. Does anyone have any idea on how to get him to reply? I would really like to know why we are listed and to see a sample message they received that listed us. It is difficult to correct a problem when the organization that states there is a problem will not reply and within their own stated guidelines. Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring
I am doing research on purchasing/open source server monitoring and would like to know what Declude administrators recommend. Survey sais? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring
I guess I should have given more information. Things I want to do. Monitor our web and SMTP applications and send text message notifications to a cell phone and email address concurrently. Thanks for the responses so far anyone else have any experiences. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:06 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring I am doing research on purchasing/open source server monitoring and would like to know what Declude administrators recommend. Survey sais? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring
Like everything else at ipswitch it has gone up in price. $1995 for the lowest price point. Kevin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:50 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring Hi Kevin- I monitor everything in my shop for a pulse, and check web, pop, smtp, and/or imap as appropriate using Ipswitch's What's Up, 1995 version (3.5, maybe?). I get emails to my cellphone when anything goes awry. I have no idea what it costs now, but it has served my needs well, even if the setup of this old version is a bit quirky. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. 97 Webster Street Worcester, MA 01603 508-425-7176 - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring I guess I should have given more information. Things I want to do. Monitor our web and SMTP applications and send text message notifications to a cell phone and email address concurrently. Thanks for the responses so far anyone else have any experiences. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:06 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring I am doing research on purchasing/open source server monitoring and would like to know what Declude administrators recommend. Survey sais? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring
I just found this open source alternative. It comes prebuilt as a VMware virtual Appliance. http://www.groundworkopensource.com/ It also seems to have an active community. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:59 PM To: Kevin Bilbee Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: server monitoring I guess I should have given more information. Things I want to do. Monitor our web and SMTP applications and send text message notifications to a cell phone and email address concurrently. I don't how many devices or monitored apps you're talking about, but if both are 10 or so, you should be able to use the no-cost version of a nice commercial app. Many of the vendors offer such teasers. So, how many monitors, and how many hosts? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/re lease/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/do wnload/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/downlo ad/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer authenticating
Make sure you are on the latest version of your mail server, if it is Imail then you should make sure it is not a vulnerable version. Also check your OS to see if it has been compromised. Do all the normal stuff to check for a compromised box. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Serge Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:16 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer authenticating Dear all Last week, i caught a spammer authenticating to my sever (using admin and test account) I deleted these accounts (how does he found the passwords ?) Today, i found same, using info account But i have no info account, only alias Looking at logs, found that he autanticated using [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any idea what is he doing ? why is the qfile showing [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? QF:\Imail\spool\D07420039c9ac.SMD Hmail.mydomain.com I07420039c9ac T3 E0, S[EMAIL PROTECTED] Y1 V0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NRCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] R[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] tqmcube.com
Anyone have any comments about these guys? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spam reduction ?
I have see about a 12% reduction in the past week. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:55 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spam reduction ? Anyone else seeing a major reduction is spam the past week ? I usually see about 14-15k messages daily, but since Monday have dropped off to about 8k… Did the recent arrests and law suits have a result this early ? Karl Drugge B.S.I.T., A.S., M.C.S.E. ( NT 4.0, 2000, 2003 ), M.C.S.A. ( 2000 + 2003 ), C.C.N.A., Network+, A+ I dream of the day when I will learn to stop asking questions to which I will regret learning the answers ( Roy Greenhilt, Order of the Stick ) --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ever legit?
Do not accept mail with your own helo setup a helo filter HELO 15 IS igive.com Set it at your hold weight. Your actual server(s) IP addresses should already be whitelisted so it will not affect your internal mail routing. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:45 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Ever legit? Hi We get e-mails that contain the following header (or something similar): Received: from igive.com [71.250.241.101] by smtp.igive.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.20) The 71.xxx.xxx.xxx isn't ours. That IP can vary, but it is never ours. Are there any legit mailers that would send something in this form? If not, what's the best way to score this over my delete weight? Thanks, Rob --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] cteng_index.dat
Does anyone know what this file and related files are for. I have found them in my c:\winnt\temp folder. The dates of the files correspond to the installation of CommTouch can anyone confirm the existence of these files on their system and if they are from the comtouch part of declude. Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Migrating from Imail to SmarterMail
Your declude license should work with SmarterMail. Before you make the move coordinate with Declude. You will need a new version of Declude. The only issue I had with SmarterMail is their LDAP is crappy. We ended up using OpenLDAP and writing a script to move all of our users to into the LDAP nightly. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolf Tombe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Migrating from Imail to SmarterMail I'm making the jump from Imail to SmarterMail and I'm wondering if anyone has any cautions, potential pitfalls or tips before I do so. I'm also curious if my existing Declude Imail Perpetual License (that is currently running with Imail) will work with SmarterMail? Thanks! Wolf --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Image spam
The way it was explained to me is as follows. If you have customers you charge for email hosting you are hosting company. If you are a company with multiple domains you are not. We have multiple domains and use CommTouch. We have domains for multiple divisions. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:06 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Image spam I'm confused. I understood that if you host multiple email domains on a mail server that you're considered a hosting company and can't purchase commtouch? At least I vaguely recall something to that affect. I checked Declude's site and I don't see commtouch listed on there anywhere (it used to be) other than under technology partners. Obviously, I'm missing something. So what is the scoop? I need an image spam solution. I followed this discussion, but I didn’t see much talk about what people are actually using that currently works well for them. I would most appreciate it if you would share your method for dealing with image spam. We have on particular spam that comes through multiple times every day. Its getting tiring. There isn’t enough other things wrong with the message to block it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Scotto Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:04 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Image spam Thank you I will check these out. Kelly _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:08 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Image spam Declude and Image based spam - 4 methods 1. COMMTOUCH Commtouch Recurrent Pattern Detection contains an intrinsic mechanism to exact-match recurrent patterns across similar but not-identical messages. However in the case of images, the minute the spammer makes even the smallest changes to an image, the image-encoded data appears completely different. Commtouch identified this trend in the earliest days of image-based spam, and made the necessary enhancements to its detection engine in order to defend against this new threat with a sophisticated protection shield. Commtouch invested significant resources into developing a method for decoding the images and then sampling them using the proven RPD approach. The result is a significantly improved spam detection rate, while maintaining the same low false-positive rate. 2. CLAMWIN Using ClamAV as a virus scanner with Declude you can download the MSRBL-Images.hdb file which has additional signatures (MD5 sigs) which contains signatures created from images contained within spam emails. http://www.msrbl.com/site/msrblimagesdownload 3. FILTER-CID Identifies emails which contains images increasing the weight suffeciently on spam messages to reach the spam threshold. #EXCEPTIONS BODYENDNOTCONTAINScid: BODYENDNOTCONTAINSContent-Type: image/ #IMAGES BODY3CONTAINSsrc=3Dcid: BODY3CONTAINSsrc=cid: BODY3CONTAINSsrc='cid: BODY3CONTAINSimg src=cid: BODY3CONTAINSimg src=3Dcid: BODY3CONTAINS/cid: #IMAGE TYPES BODY2CONTAINSContent-Type: image/gif; BODY2CONTAINSContent-Type: image/jpeg; 4. VAMSOFT IMAGE SPAM AGENT This tool is an External Agent for ORF 2.1 and newer versions that improves ORF by image spam detection capabilities, but can be used by Declude. http://www.vamsoft.com/vsimagespam/vsimagespam.zip VSIMAGE externalnonzero[path]\Declude\VSIMAGE\imgspamagent.exe -check 40 David Barker Director of Product Management Your Email security is our business 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Scotto Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:47 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Image spam Has there been a declude filter created for blocking or identifying image spam? If so can somebody post it for me to try. Thank You, Kelly --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Admins - Relay Hole
In the meantime a javascript could be added to the form to validate the password supports your requirements. I have done this with other parts of the interface. Like only allowing forwarding email to the same domain and Removing unwanted report as spam button. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (lists) Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:41 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Admins - Relay Hole Well, might be news to you but Imail has the same problem. There was discussion about this on the Imail list awhile back and IIRC Kevin said it is now on the list of features to be added. John T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Jaworski Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:30 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Admins - Relay Hole We have been using Declude, Sniffer and invURIBL for years now with great success. But yesterday we got bit by a phish attack through SmarterMail. They used SMPT authentication to bypass all the time and money we spent on defenses against the bad guys. The root of the problem: SmarterMail is lacking simple password rules. For more of the story see: http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/27627/ShowThread.aspx#27627 Michael --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Experiences
We switched and going from 8.22 to SmarterMail was painless for our users. We actually got positive feedback from all except a few that would complain about paying taxes on winning the lottery. SmarterMail also does not have program aliases. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Green dfn Systems Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:50 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Experiences Well now that we have moved from IMail 8.15 to 8.22, we are now experiencing the problem where Declude needs to be restarted regularly to correct an apparent memory leak. I remember following threads about this problem and how the upgrade to IMail 2006.1 generally solved the problem. Since we are going to have to change to the new IMail platform anyway and our support agreement is up for renewal, I have been reviewing SmarterMail. The apparent benefits I've seen so far are lower cost, lower resource utilization (especially WebMail), and support beyond IMail's 8X5 hours. The only downsides I see so far are user re-education, and that it seems to lack SMTP Relay for specified IPs. So, Would any SmarterMail Admins like to share from actual experience to date? Bill Green dfn Systems --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Experiences
Not true you can allow IP addresses to send unauthenticated. We do it. Security - SMPT Authentication Bypass Place your IP addressed in there and no auth needed. We are running 3.3.2439 Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Green dfn Systems Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:14 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Experiences Can you elaborate on lack SMTP Relay for specified IPs.? I thought you could whitelist IP addresses in SmarterMail. Or is this totally different? Mike, Let me state it another way. IMail will allow users to send without authentication, but only for a certain IP range. SmarterMail seems to only have 2 options. Authentication required, or totally Open Relay. Bill Green dfn Systems --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Weird email problem
Looks to me there was a problem with the original transmission and the message was resent after a timeout period. If it was the same message then the queue numbers would be the same. I would not worry too much about it unless you see a pattern. These things happen from time to time. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyn Schmidt Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:24 AM To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Cc: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Weird email problem I'm having a REALLY WEIRD email problem, makes me feel like I'm in the twilight zone… One of my users reported that she did not receive an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] until TODAY, but the email was sent on Tuesday, 1/23, at 10:28am. She forwarded me a copy of the email. The following is from my Imail log from 1/23... 01:23 10:31 SMTPD(2a4b22aaf903) [24.73.160.163] connect 64.168.89.133 port 23634 01:23 10:31 SMTPD(2a4b22aaf903) [64.168.89.133] EHLO WDL.wilsondaniels.com 01:23 10:31 SMTPD(2a4b22aaf903) [64.168.89.133] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01:23 10:31 SMTPD(2a4b22aaf903) [64.168.89.133] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] After this line, there is NOTHING else. The whole process for this email just seems to stop. In the IMAIL log for that day, I did a search for the d2a4b22aaf903.smd and the q2a4b22aaf903.smd, but turned up absolutely nothing. I did searches in both my Declude Junkmail and virus logs for the q and d files as well, nothing. I did searches in my logs on 1/24 and still turned up nothing. In the 1/23 Junkmail log, I even used the email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and came up with nothing. Then, I looked in todays log, at the time that the user finally received the message. Here is the log entry from Imail: 01:25 08:10 SMTPD(ac2c2766c9d4) [64.168.89.133] EHLO WDL.wilsondaniels.com 01:25 08:10 SMTPD(ac2c2766c9d4) [64.168.89.133] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01:25 08:10 SMTPD(ac2c2766c9d4) [64.168.89.133] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01:25 08:10 SMTPD(ac2c2766c9d4) [64.168.89.133] D:\IMAIL\spool\Dac2c2766c9d4.SMD 958 01:25 08:10 SMTPD(ac2c2766c9d4) performing antispam checks That's it for the log entry in Imail. I checked the Declude Junkmail log, and found the following, below. Please note that the entire @wilsondaniels.com domain is whitelisted. Also, my user DID indeed receive this message, today, 2 days later. Going by the subject line (Good morning), it looks like the message that was send on Tues, even though the spool file names are different. Can anyone clue me in on what is going on here? This isnt the only message from wilsondaniels that was sent on Tues and received today. I just havent gotten the log entries for the other ones yet. Rec'd the message on 1/25, log entry in Declude Junkmail log: 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (63.246.13.90). nm= 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.100.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.110.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.120.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.130.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.140.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (192.168.150.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (10.10.100.0/24). nm=ff00 01/25/2007 08:10:10.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd IP 64.168.89.133 not in whitelist (24.73.160.164). nm= 01/25/2007 08:10:18.125 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Filter URLfilter: Not skipping E-mail due to current weight of 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.156 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Filter InBodyFilter: Not skipping E-mail due to current weight of 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.171 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Filter InHeadersFilter: Not skipping E-mail due to current weight of 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.187 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Filter FILTER-ADULT: Not skipping E-mail due to current weight of 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.203 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Filter FILTER-MEDICAL: Not skipping E-mail due to current weight of 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.218 qac2c2766c9d4.smd FROMNOMATCH:3 HELOBOGUS:5 MAILFROM:12 . Total weight = 20. 01/25/2007 08:10:18.218 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Tests failed [weight=20]: CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE[0] NOLEGITCONTENT=IGNORE[0] IPNOTINMX=IGNORE[0] FROMNOMATCH=IGNORE[3] HELOBOGUS=IGNORE[5] MAILFROM=IGNORE[12] WEIGHT10=IGNORE[10] WEIGHT12=IGNORE[12] 01/25/2007 08:10:18.218 qac2c2766c9d4.smd Msg failed FROMNOMATCH (Env sender ([EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for tooo much junkmail?
Setup a blacklist and start blocking the IP ranges of the Home-Based systems. Take the offending IP addresses and use ARIN to look up the ip range of the offending ISP. You may even be able to call the ISP to get their non-business ip ranges. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J Porter Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:38 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for tooo much junkmail? We're all seeing it... My log files have increased over 30% in recent times as I'm sure yours have too. Through due diligence we stop an awful lot, but much still gets by. But we're being active after the fact. Is there anyone who has knowledge of what virus and/or trojan is causing all of this great increase in activity?? The biggest thing we do know is that the majority of it is coming from our neighbors: the home-based systems on dial-up, DSL and cable. I'd like to be more proactive and go on an education crusade to provide folks with the knowledge of how to detect if their systems are infected and what to do about it, but I have no idea of what to look for or what software to use to fix it. Anyone with some leads on finding the ultimate sources that's creating all these zombies?? ~Joe --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Avast antivirus
Does anyone have experience with Avast as an Antivirus solution for the desktop. It also comes with a command line scanner. They have a server edition also. Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AVG
We have abandonded F-Prot due to the excessive pricing modle. We have Symantec gateways that deliver to SmarterMail with declude/AVG. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Serge Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:33 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AVG For those on 4.2.X, are you still using Fprot and/or McAfee ..., or are sticking with buit in AVG alone ? --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Interesting Discussions
Hear,Hear. That was great entertainment. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Interesting Discussions Please, no one take this the wrong way, it is only meant in fun: I actually miss the twice annual entertaining discussions on the Imail forum between Scott and Len with Sandy added for spice. Popcorn anyone? ;-) John T eServices For You Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1802-1882) --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Suggestion for Junkmail....
I agree. But rarely see an issue. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:00 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Suggestion for Junkmail Just a quick suggestion, may even save programming time... Please leave the log file formats and entries alone.. It REALLY plays hell with my automated scripts and programs when keywords, field lengths, and schema are altered ( seemingly at random ) from version to version. I know I can't be alone on this.. Karl Drugge --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Bayesian Filtering
Have you looked at the Commtouch ZEROHOUR add in. It has done wonders for us. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Cummins Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:22 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Bayesian Filtering I'd really like to get into Bayesian filtering. Declude / Message Sniffer / invURIBL just aren't catching enough for me. ...are there any plans to include it in the Declude product? ...any third-party products available? I suppose I could do it with a gateway concept like PirateFish or IMGate, and I know that SmarterMail and iMail both offer options (I have a mix of both kinds in my network) but I'd really like to see something offered at the Declude level so I can have more uniform / better control over the whole process. Any ideas? Feel free to hit me with a clue bat. :) -- Michael Cummins --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Bayesian Filtering
Well that sucks, I wonder when they are going to get that issue ironed out. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Cummins Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:30 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Bayesian Filtering Sadly, no. I think that I would be considered an ISP, I manage about 250 domains or so. I saw a warning on the DECLUDE site about that, so I never really looked any further. -- Michael Cummins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Bayesian Filtering Have you looked at the Commtouch ZEROHOUR add in. It has done wonders for us. Kevin Bilbee --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] email from Lotus Notes - MEssage LAbs - body is blank
Is Declude set to add a footer? If so remove the footer option. Declude will corrupt a base 64 email, resulting in a blank email. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:12 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] email from Lotus Notes - MEssage LAbs - body is blank Has anybody seen emails that come from a Lotus Notes system using Message Labs – the body is blank. A client is getting these from a known user. Declude 4.2 with Smartermail 3.x and Message Sniffer Here is the header: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 09 16:50:27 2006 Received: from mail99.messagelabs.com (216.x.x.x] by smmail.305spin.com with SMTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:50:27 -0600 Received: (qmail 7871 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 22:54:15 - Received: from mail.reallybigco.com (HELO mail.reallybigco.com) (65.x.x.x) by server-9.tower-99. messagelabs.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 22:54:15 - X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-99. messagelabs.com!1163112855!16659785!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [65.x.x.x] Subject: SPAM-LOW: Fw: REG Strategic Advisory Board To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:54:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes01/reallybigco(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 11/09/2006 04:54:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [216.x.x.x] X-Declude-Spoolname: -1082417288811.eml X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.2.12 for spam. http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm X-Declude-Scan: Incoming Score [7] at 16:50:49 on 09 Nov 2006 X-Declude-Fail: BASE64 [4], FROMNOMATCH [3] X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES-destination John Moore 305 Spin, Inc. 511 S Ohio Avenue Sedalia, MO 65301 660.827.3056 office 660.829.3056 fax 660.221.1301 cell www.305spin.com Technology Solutions for Growing Brands Since 1993 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] delete mails before processing / 100% CPU / per domain config
Yes, Declude can look at all the IPs in the connecting path. Or it can just skip you IPs and look at the connecting IP so many hops away. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Traylor Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:08 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] delete mails before processing / 100% CPU / per domain config On 11/14/06, netsolution webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good - do you have more details (short instructions) on how to set that up combined with declude/imail? Hah! Me? Short instructions? I can't give short instructions on how to tie a shoe! :o) Setting up ASSP/hMailserver/ClamAV/Imail/Declude will be a fairly long process with the good news that not much has to change for your Imail/Declude setup except the listen port and the SMTP delivery gateway:port. If you add hMailserver as a gateway and use Declude Junkmail to do connection based analysis (spf, rbl, helo, etc.) using the sending IP, you will be disappointed to find the the sending IP will now be your own server and unless you have the premium version of Declude Junkmail it will no longer be useful to compare the sending IP. I believe the premium version of Declude will look at all the IP's in the path and potentially exclude your servers. Not sure about that one. The good news is that with ASSP in front, you may not miss it. Using ASSP alone in front of Imail/Declude should allow Declude connection tests to continue to work. Since this is a Declude list I will spare the other members the horror of reading about another product's installation steps and send you a synopsis directly to your list address if that is OK. For those interested, I say check out the links in my earlier post for ASSP, www.hmailserver.com for that and http://www.sosdg.org/clamav-win32/ for ClamAV on Windows. and once installed, to integrate clamav with hmailserver; http://www.hmailserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2139 Doug Traylor --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS with multiple domains
Yes use IP bypass. Hop High will work for all emails. IPBYPASS will only work against known IP addresses. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Green dfn Systems Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:11 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS with multiple domains I have a customer whose email domain we are hosting who recently began using Postini. This is the first time I've had to deal with a gateway. The documentation is pretty clear, but I do have one question. Since the gateway is only for one domain, will IPBYPASS work without interfering with the other domains? Or will I have to use HOPHIGH to catch them all? Bill Green dfn Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] 2001 Virus got past declude
I know why the virus got past Declude but I would like to know how to stop it in the future. We have the AFTERJUNKMAIL directive on. So the message was trapped as spam and then when the user re-queued the message it was delivered to the users mailbox. Is there a way to get Declude to virus scan messages that have been re-queued and not do the spam checks? What I am unclear on is how Declude interacts with SmarterMail This is what I think happens. 1. SmarterMail 3.x receives a message and places it into the proc folder for Declude to process it 2. On HOLD action Declude moves the message to the hold folder 3. A message is re-queued into the SmarterMail spool folder with an “X” pre-prepended to the file name. 4. SmarterMail then delivers the message to the mailbox Does Declude ever see a message that has been placed back into the SmarterMail spool? Should I be placing these messages back into the proc folder for Declude to move them to the spool folder I would like to see Declude virus scan all message that are not deleted by JunkMail even if they are held. Kevin Bilbee ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] End of headers {was - declude not modifying subject line}
OK sounds reasonable. Since you are the expert and I am trying to understand. Have you ever seen a legitimate message with a no real end of headers, where the two line terminators designating the end of headers are separated by more than white space, tab or space characters? Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:32 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 2001 Virus got past declude
I was afraid of that. It would be great to be able to re-queue and only virus scan or better yet virus can all message that do not get deleted by junkmail including held messages. Then if HELD and VIRUS the hold as virus not as spam. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 2001 Virus got past declude Kevin, It's my understanding that newer versions of Smartermail do not require the file to have the X prepended. When the user requeues the message do you drop it into the smartermail spool or the declude proc directory? In order for it to be rescanned by Declude you need to drop it into the proc folder. Also, there is no way to the best of my knowledge to say just virus process this requeued message. Maybe you can (on the requeue process) append somethign to the message that Declude Junkmail will force it to be whitelisted. THis way it wont be held again but will get processed by declude virus. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee To: JunkMail Declude Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 2001 Virus got past declude I know why the virus got past Declude but I would like to know how to stop it in the future. We have the AFTERJUNKMAIL directive on. So the message was trapped as spam and then when the user re-queued the message it was delivered to the users mailbox. Is there a way to get Declude to virus scan messages that have been re-queued and not do the spam checks? What I am unclear on is how Declude interacts with SmarterMail This is what I think happens. 1. SmarterMail 3.x receives a message and places it into the proc folder for Declude to process it 2. On HOLD action Declude moves the message to the hold folder 3. A message is re-queued into the SmarterMail spool folder with an “X” pre-prepended to the file name. 4. SmarterMail then delivers the message to the mailbox Does Declude ever see a message that has been placed back into the SmarterMail spool? Should I be placing these messages back into the proc folder for Declude to move them to the spool folder I would like to see Declude virus scan all message that are not deleted by JunkMail even if they are held. Kevin Bilbee --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line
I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as just fix it there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot more complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of line terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration
Look at using weightrange instead of weight to define your weighted tests. It simplifies the weighting and makes it clear on what will happen to the message. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:19 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration Hey Everyone - We are just getting things tuned to the point where we are truly happy with the results we are seeing. What I am trying to do now is help myself monitor the close calls. I was sending everything between caught and delete to a spam mailbox so that I could check for any false positives. However, with my new success, that is getting out of hand. So what I would like to do is set up a new account to help with the overflow and allow me to really monitor the close ones. Here is my weights in my global.cfg file: WEIGHT10 WARN WEIGHT15 WARN WEIGHT19 HOLD WEIGHT32 HOLD WEIGHT60 DELETE Here is the corresponding actions that I have in my $default$.junkmail file: WEIGHT10 WARN WEIGHT15 SUBJECT **SPAM** WEIGHT19 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEIGHT19a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] WEIGHT32 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEIGHT32a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] WEIGHT60 DELETE My plan with the above is to send everything with a weight of 19-31 to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and everything from 32-59 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I am hoping to accomplish by this is to keep a closer eye on those email that might accidentally be caught. Right now, 95% of the messages are ending up in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox even if they are above the WEIGHT32 (which should then go to spam2). However, it does appear that everything over 60 is being deleted. I've checked all of the config files to make sure I have things set up right, and it does appear that way. Am I missing something, or is there something diferent that I should be doing? Thanks! Todd --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration
This is how we have our server setup SPAM-LOWweightrange x x 8 13 SPAM-MEDweightrange x x 14 24 SPAM-HIGH weight x x 25 0 SPAM-LOWSUBJECT [ SPAM %WEIGHT% ] SPAM-MEDHOLD SPAM-HIGH DELETE So this way we know exactly what will happen for each weight without question? So for your configuration change the weights for your config and change HOLD to ROUTETO... Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:50 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration Thanks Kevin. This is what I was wondering about, so I will look into how to implement. Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:58 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration Look at using weightrange instead of weight to define your weighted tests. It simplifies the weighting and makes it clear on what will happen to the message. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:19 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration Hey Everyone - We are just getting things tuned to the point where we are truly happy with the results we are seeing. What I am trying to do now is help myself monitor the close calls. I was sending everything between caught and delete to a spam mailbox so that I could check for any false positives. However, with my new success, that is getting out of hand. So what I would like to do is set up a new account to help with the overflow and allow me to really monitor the close ones. Here is my weights in my global.cfg file: WEIGHT10 WARN WEIGHT15 WARN WEIGHT19 HOLD WEIGHT32 HOLD WEIGHT60 DELETE Here is the corresponding actions that I have in my $default$.junkmail file: WEIGHT10 WARN WEIGHT15 SUBJECT **SPAM** WEIGHT19 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEIGHT19a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] WEIGHT32 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEIGHT32a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] WEIGHT60 DELETE My plan with the above is to send everything with a weight of 19-31 to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and everything from 32-59 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I am hoping to accomplish by this is to keep a closer eye on those email that might accidentally be caught. Right now, 95% of the messages are ending up in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox even if they are above the WEIGHT32 (which should then go to spam2). However, it does appear that everything over 60 is being deleted. I've checked all of the config files to make sure I have things set up right, and it does appear that way. Am I missing something, or is there something diferent that I should be doing? Thanks! Todd --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration
Yea, but the last line should only be weight WEIGH.SPAM.XHIGH weigh x x 270 With this as your last weight all messages with a weight of 27 or higher will trigger this test. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:13 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with Configuration Todd Richards wrote: Thanks Kevin. This is what I was wondering about, so I will look into howto implement. something like this: WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.LOW weightrange x x 10 12triggered on a weight of 10 to 12 inclusive WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.MID weightrange x x 13 15 WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.HIGH weightrange x x 16 18 WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.VHIGH weightrange x x 19 26 etc and then subject tag on the hits WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.LOW SUBJECT [Possible Spam(low)]- WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.MID SUBJECT [Possible Spam(mid)]- WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.HIGH SUBJECT [Possible Spam(high)]- WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.VHIGH SUBJECT [Possible Spam(vhigh)]- WEIGHTRANGE.SPAM.XVHIGH SUBJECT [Possible Spam(Xvhigh)]- etc -Nick Todd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of KevinBilbeeSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:58 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with ConfigurationLook at using weightrange instead of weight to define your weighted tests.It simplifies the weighting and makes it clear on what will happen to themessage.Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Todd RichardsSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:19 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Help with ConfigurationHey Everyone -We are just getting things tuned to the point where we are truly happy with the results we are seeing. What I am trying to do now is help myself monitor the close calls. I was sending everything between caughtanddelete to a spam mailbox so that I could check for any false positives.However, with my new success, that is getting out of hand. So what I would like to do is set up a new account to help with the overflow and allow me to really monitor the close ones.Here is my weights in my global.cfg file:WEIGHT10 WARNWEIGHT15 WARNWEIGHT19 HOLDWEIGHT32 HOLDWEIGHT60 DELETEHere is the corresponding actions that I have in my $default$.junkmailfile:WEIGHT10 WARNWEIGHT15 SUBJECT **SPAM**WEIGHT19 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]WEIGHT19a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%]WEIGHT32 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]WEIGHT32a SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%]WEIGHT60 DELETEMy plan with the above is to send everything with a weight of 19-31 to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and everything from 32-59 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. What I am hoping to accomplish by this is to keep a closer eye on those email that might accidentally be caught. Right now, 95% of the messages are ending up in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox even if they are above the WEIGHT32 (which should then go to spam2). However, it does appear that everything over 60 is being deleted. I've checked all of the config files to make sure I have things set up right, and it does appear that way. Am I missing something, or is there something diferent that I should be doing?Thanks!Todd---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe,just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribeDeclude.JunkMail. The archives can be found athttp://www.mail-archive.com.---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] blocking GIF attachments again ...
If you are not an ISP get the commtouch ZEROHOUR addin. It will block most of the GIF attachments. The only downside I have noticed is it will also trap the chain emails that users love to send to each other. We added it and I removed some of my less productive tests from declude. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] blocking GIF attachments again ... A few days ago I posted an inquiry asking if there was a way to block GIF attachments ... and several readers discouraged this since GIF could be part of HTML email. However, today noticed at least 10 to 15 spam messages that got through all the tests, that basically were GIF attachments. IF I block GIF attachments in Declude Virus, will this still allow HTML included GIF's to pass through? Or is there a better way to test for attachments that are GIF to solve this problem? David --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] One step forward, ten back
Yes the can coexist but be sure to use weightrange to instead of weight. SPAM-LOWweightrange x x 8 13 SPAM-MEDweightrange x x 14 24 SPAM-HIGH weight x x 25 0 SPAM-LOWSUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] SPAM-MEDHOLD SPAM-HIGH DELETE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:20 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] One step forward, ten back I wondered if it's possible to set another one higher to do the deleting, as I'm seeing a lot of stuff at 40 or more. Absolutely. Several action directives can coexist peacefully in your $default$.junkmail file, like this: WEIGHT10 SUBJECT [%WEIGHT%] WEIGHT20 MAILBOX SPAM WEIGHT30 DELETE Any message scoring at least 10 will have the weight added at the head of the subject in brackets, like: [12] Buy My Stuff! Any message with 20-29 points will be diverted to the spam folder, and anything scoring 30+ will be deleted. - Original Message - From: Todd Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] One step forward, ten back Thanks Dave. Actually, I do, but with settings of weight20 send to spam mailbox. I was worried about too many false positives. I wondered mailboxif it's possible to set another one higher to do the deleting, as I'm seeing a lot of stuff at 40 or more. As an update, I found that I had a discrepancy in my weights. I corrected that, and my filtering is doing great now. I logged into my spam mailbox a little bit ago and the few hundred messages that are in there are definitely spam. So it's catching things now and keeping them from my mailbox - which was my main goal. However, now I'd like to clean things up just a little more... Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:34 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] One step forward, ten back It seems like you're detecting things OK, but not taking action on the results. Make sure you have directives like WEIGHT14MAILBOX SPAM WEIGHT20DELETE in your default.junkmail file - Original Message - From: Todd Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] One step forward, ten back Hi Everyone - We are getting completely hammered by spam and I'm about at my wits end. A few weeks ago I added a 30-day trial of Message Sniffer and it doesn't seem to be doing any good. Today, I upgraded to the newest version of Declude. I think everything went ok. After reading through the documentation (again) I went through my global.cfg file and cleaned up some things that were questionable. For instance, we had several domains in the WHITELIST TO and WHITELIST FROM. From what I've read and heard through the lists, it's not a good idea to whitelist anything.In fact, earlier today I had some spam come through that was from a whitelisted domain so it just let it through. So I commented them out and planned to watch my spam account (instead of deleting I have caught messages sent to another account for review) to see the results. So... This happened about 5pm tonight. I went through a short spurt but in the last 90 minutes since then I alone have received over 150 spam messages. Before I made my changes tonight, that is about the number I would receive in one day (which is still too many). In one message, this was in the header. To me, it should have failed and been stopped. X-Declude-Scan: Incoming Score [39] at 17:59:29 on 02 Nov 2006 X-Declude-Fail: CBL [6], FIVETEN-SRC [4], SPAMCOP [7], REVDNS [8], ROUTING [2], SNIFFER [12], WEIGHT10 [10], WEIGHT14 [14], WEIGHT20 [20], WEIGHT20a [20] Does anyone have any suggestions to what I might be doing wrong, or what I should look at next? Would anyone (off-list) be willing to look at my config files and see if something is apparently wrong? Are there any sample files where a newbie might be able to see how others have theirs set up? I have been running Declude for over a year, and with the exception of some minor tweaks, it's pretty much running out-of-the-box. For those who are interested, I'm running Imail 8.22 (with latest hotfix) on Windows 2000 server, as well as the Declude Suite, Message Sniffer, and inv-URBL 2.7. Thanks for any input or direction you can offer. Todd
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR
Declude has indicated to me that the line will be removable for users not running ZEROHOUR in a future version of Declude. It is currently hard coded to be displayed in all email headers Declude processes SAME for ZEROHOUR[0] in tests failed. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:54 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR So you are implying that those of us who are not running Commtouch, if we remove the ZEROHOUR statement from the global.cfg the X-Declude- RefID line in the headers will go away? (How to get rid of that line is a question that has been asked here before.) Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:52 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR Ensure you running the latest version of Declude 4.x and that you have ZEROHOUR 14 in the global.cfg David B _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:47 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR Thanks Kevin... Next question -- How can I have Declude add the X-Declude-RefID: to the header ?? - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR Here is the document Declude sent to me for reporting false positives and false negatives. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Weise Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:46 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR I was about to ask that myself. Also, the procedure for reporting spam that is not caught... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Pereira Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] FP reporting for ZEROHOUR Hi - Does anyone know of the procedure for reporting FP results that are failing the ZEROHOUR test ? jeff --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail Domain Aliases
Title: Message If you are converting to SmarterMail using the Imail to SmarterMail conversion utility. Youmay have an issue with domain aliases incoming email being treated as outgoing. Declude has acknowledged the issue and is installing a fix in the next release of Declude. There is also a fix after the conversion edit the DomainList.xml file and move the DomainAlias nodes within the DomainList node to the top of the node above the Domain nodes. After doing this SmarterMail will still function properly and will not change this format. The issue seems to have been caused by the Conversion Utility reversing the order of the nodes. This has been a public service announcement. Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude?
Other mail gateways do it. Why would it be so difficult to duplicate the message and the header changing the recipients in the individual header files? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:30 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? To create a duplicate message for each recipient is not a trivial issue. This is a function of the mail server not Declude. David Barker Director of Product Development Your Email security is our business 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? Delcude has always functioned like this. What declude could do in this case is to duplicate the message for each recipient and write a new header file to each recipient. Not a big issue. Deliver to the one that whitelists and run the spam checks for the others. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? It's actually more of an issue of how the mail server handles the message. In the case of multiple recipients, since there is only one message file addressed to multiple recipients in the headers, it's either deliver or not deliver unless you rewrite the headers to modify the recipient list. I think I'd rather not have the spam filtering system alter that. Add to the header, yes. Alter the recipients, no. Also, I have not come across a situation where I wanted to let a message go through to one recipient and not to others, except in the situation of lists which is a whole other topic. Darin. - Original Message - From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? I would call that a flaw, then, in how Declude processes the whitelist. I have a listserver email address for which I do not want email spam checked. This is because I don't want messages going out to the list that say SPAM in the subject line. Because nobody who is not a member on the list can post to the list, there is no problem whitelisting the TO address for mail sent to the list server email address. However, spammers will send an email to a dozen of our mail addresses (12 recipients) one of which is the whitelised TO address for the listserver. Because of the way Declude processes the whitelist, that means that the other 11 recipient receive the spam even though mail to them is not whitelisted. That is a bad design on Declude's part, wouldn't you agree? Anyone else feel that this needs to be rectified? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? If one user is whitelisted they all will be whitelisted for that email. There are some things you can do to prevent this like BYPASSWHITELIST test. Darre;; --- - - --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? If an email is received that is addressed to multiple recipients, one of whom is whitelisted, does Declude treat the email as whitelisted for all recipients? --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude?
Anti-spam\virus mail gateways. I know barracuda, (now Symantec), does the splitting for whitelisting. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:48 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? Mail gateways or anti-spam products for mail gateways? Darrell --- - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? Other mail gateways do it. Why would it be so difficult to duplicate the message and the header changing the recipients in the individual header files? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:30 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? To create a duplicate message for each recipient is not a trivial issue. This is a function of the mail server not Declude. David Barker Director of Product Development Your Email security is our business 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? Delcude has always functioned like this. What declude could do in this case is to duplicate the message for each recipient and write a new header file to each recipient. Not a big issue. Deliver to the one that whitelists and run the spam checks for the others. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? It's actually more of an issue of how the mail server handles the message. In the case of multiple recipients, since there is only one message file addressed to multiple recipients in the headers, it's either deliver or not deliver unless you rewrite the headers to modify the recipient list. I think I'd rather not have the spam filtering system alter that. Add to the header, yes. Alter the recipients, no. Also, I have not come across a situation where I wanted to let a message go through to one recipient and not to others, except in the situation of lists which is a whole other topic. Darin. - Original Message - From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? I would call that a flaw, then, in how Declude processes the whitelist. I have a listserver email address for which I do not want email spam checked. This is because I don't want messages going out to the list that say SPAM in the subject line. Because nobody who is not a member on the list can post to the list, there is no problem whitelisting the TO address for mail sent to the list server email address. However, spammers will send an email to a dozen of our mail addresses (12 recipients) one of which is the whitelised TO address for the listserver. Because of the way Declude processes the whitelist, that means that the other 11 recipient receive the spam even though mail to them is not whitelisted. That is a bad design on Declude's part, wouldn't you agree? Anyone else feel that this needs to be rectified? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? If one user is whitelisted they all will be whitelisted for that email. There are some things you can do to prevent this like BYPASSWHITELIST test. Darre;; - -- - - --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools
The domain aliases issue has reappeared. I have confirmed it with Declude. We are running Declude Version 4.3.7 for SmarterMail Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:56 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools The domain aliases being treated as outgoing domain has been long since resolved. When SmarterMail 3.x came out, it was a problem because of the new file format they used to store configuration data, but the issue was fixed quickly. As for the sub-spool question, I'm not sure ... I've honestly never found a need to use the sub-spools. What is your definition of high volume? We have SmarterMail servers processing 250K inbound messages per day running a single spool. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:18 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools I do not know if it does but. I can tell you that you need to be careful with domain aliases on SmarterMail. They are treated as outgoing for junkmail processing. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Strother Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:33 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools Does Declude work correctly with the subspool feature of SmarterMail? I believe I read somewhere that it doesn't. This is a requirement of a high volume SmarterMail server and seems like it would relatively easy to implement. Can anyone comment? Mark Strother Pacific Online Phone: 604-638-6010 ext. 222 Fax: 604-638-6020 Toll Free: 1-877-503-9870 http://www.pacificonline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test - ignore Test, please ignore. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and domain aliases - moved from SmarterMail and Subspools
Are you using a gateway or is mail delivered directly to your server? We use gateways with IPBYPASS for both of our gateways. This is a migrated configuration from Imail. Do I still need the WHITELIST 127.0.0.1 that was put in because of Imail’s web interface? I am going to take that out to see what happens. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:34 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools Hmmm. I'm running 4.3.7 and not seeing that: 10/18/2006 13:27:55.114 694158291036 SNIFFER:30 . Total weight = 30. 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Using [incoming] CFG file C:\SMARTERMAIL\Declude\$default$.junkmail. 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Tests failed [weight=30]: SNIFFER=WARN[30] WEIGHT17=IGNORE[17] WEIGHT20=WARN[20] WEIGHT30=WARN[30] 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed SNIFFER (Message failed SNIFFER: 53.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT17 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 17.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT20 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 20.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT30 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 30.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 L1 Message OK 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Subject: Start a career that provides a lifetime residual income 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 216.150.31.98 ID: nw67avwquycqo1x 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Action(s) taken for [EMAIL PROTECTED] = IGNORE WARN [LAST ACTION=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Cumulative action(s) taken on this email = IGNORE WARN [LAST ACTION=""> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:28 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools The domain aliases issue has reappeared. I have confirmed it with Declude. We are running Declude Version 4.3.7 for SmarterMail Kevin Bilbee Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and domain aliases - moved from SmarterMail and Subspools
I just tested removing the WHITELIST 127.0.0.1 and it did not have an affect I could see. We also use Junkmail REDIRECTin the default.junkmail file for finding of the appropriate junkmail so we do not have to have a separate junkmail file for aliased domains they user the same junkmail file as the domain they are aliased to. There may be a difference in the way Declude handles domain aliases when using IPBYPASS. I will forward this Declude. I really hope the fix this soon. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:35 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and domain aliases - moved from SmarterMail and Subspools No gateway and email is delivered directly to our servers. I still have whitelist 127.0.0.1 with on ill effects I’m aware of. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:18 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and domain aliases - moved from SmarterMail and Subspools Are you using a gateway or is mail delivered directly to your server? We use gateways with IPBYPASS for both of our gateways. This is a migrated configuration from Imail. Do I still need the WHITELIST 127.0.0.1 that was put in because of Imail’s web interface? I am going to take that out to see what happens. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:34 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools Hmmm. I'm running 4.3.7 and not seeing that: 10/18/2006 13:27:55.114 694158291036 SNIFFER:30 . Total weight = 30. 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Using [incoming] CFG file C:\SMARTERMAIL\Declude\$default$.junkmail. 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Tests failed [weight=30]: SNIFFER=WARN[30] WEIGHT17=IGNORE[17] WEIGHT20=WARN[20] WEIGHT30=WARN[30] 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed SNIFFER (Message failed SNIFFER: 53.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT17 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 17.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT20 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 20.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Msg failed WEIGHT30 (Weight of 30 reaches or exceeds the limit of 30.). Action=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 L1 Message OK 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Subject: Start a career that provides a lifetime residual income 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 216.150.31.98 ID: nw67avwquycqo1x 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Action(s) taken for [EMAIL PROTECTED] = IGNORE WARN [LAST ACTION=""> 10/18/2006 13:27:59.379 694158291036 Cumulative action(s) taken on this email = IGNORE WARN [LAST ACTION=""> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:28 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools The domain aliases issue has reappeared. I have confirmed it with Declude. We are running Declude Version 4.3.7 for SmarterMail Kevin Bilbee Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude?
Delcude has always functioned like this. What declude could do in this case is to duplicate the message for each recipient and write a new header file to each recipient. Not a big issue. Deliver to the one that whitelists and run the spam checks for the others. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? It's actually more of an issue of how the mail server handles the message. In the case of multiple recipients, since there is only one message file addressed to multiple recipients in the headers, it's either deliver or not deliver unless you rewrite the headers to modify the recipient list. I think I'd rather not have the spam filtering system alter that. Add to the header, yes. Alter the recipients, no. Also, I have not come across a situation where I wanted to let a message go through to one recipient and not to others, except in the situation of lists which is a whole other topic. Darin. - Original Message - From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? I would call that a flaw, then, in how Declude processes the whitelist. I have a listserver email address for which I do not want email spam checked. This is because I don't want messages going out to the list that say SPAM in the subject line. Because nobody who is not a member on the list can post to the list, there is no problem whitelisting the TO address for mail sent to the list server email address. However, spammers will send an email to a dozen of our mail addresses (12 recipients) one of which is the whitelised TO address for the listserver. Because of the way Declude processes the whitelist, that means that the other 11 recipient receive the spam even though mail to them is not whitelisted. That is a bad design on Declude's part, wouldn't you agree? Anyone else feel that this needs to be rectified? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? If one user is whitelisted they all will be whitelisted for that email. There are some things you can do to prevent this like BYPASSWHITELIST test. Darre;; - --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting flaw in Declude? If an email is received that is addressed to multiple recipients, one of whom is whitelisted, does Declude treat the email as whitelisted for all recipients? --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools
I do not know if it does but. I can tell you that you need to be careful with domain aliases on SmarterMail. They are treated as outgoing for junkmail processing. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Strother Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:33 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Subspools Does Declude work correctly with the subspool feature of SmarterMail? I believe I read somewhere that it doesn't. This is a requirement of a high volume SmarterMail server and seems like it would relatively easy to implement. Can anyone comment? Mark Strother Pacific Online Phone: 604-638-6010 ext. 222 Fax: 604-638-6020 Toll Free: 1-877-503-9870 http://www.pacificonline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test - ignore Test, please ignore. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Support Request - Host Name Transition (Temporary Parallel Use)
Title: Message Agreed. I personally think Decludes personnel is spread a little thin at the moment. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:04 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Support Request - Host Name Transition (Temporary Parallel Use) Hm - so may be they should tell their own WEBMASTER!? I recall having read about this months ago - andtheirsite has not been fixed? Best RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Monday, October 16, 2006 07:03 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Support Request - Host Name Transition (Temporary Parallel Use) Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is still functional. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:28 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Support Request - Host Name Transition (Temporary Parallel Use) Hi, I went to: http://www.declude.com/site/support.htm andit instructs me to: "Log into your Declude account and submit a case." Fine, so I log into my Declude account, which gets me to http://shopping.declude.com/myaccount.aspand shows me my two Declude licenses for MAYWOOD-IS-0002.WEBHOST.HM-SOFTWARE.COM and MAIL.VERTICALWARFARE.COM, and download links etc. - but I just don't see the "Submit a Case" button? So - I'll paste my inquiry here. I am transitioning the Imail installation from MAYWOOD-IS-0002 (Declude Product key ending in "-043D0AB43901") to a new server at MAYWOOD-IS-0012.WEBHOST.HM-SOFTWARE.COM. In other words, I need a license key to be able to install end test Declude on the NEW server for a day or two, but you can NOT YET DISABLE the old product key until I'm actually cutting over the production load. How can this be accomplished? PS: Also consider this a report to your web master that I was unable to follow the problem reporting instructions onyour web site. Clearly, this must be my own fault - but if I can't "see" it, may be you should make it more obvious to less intellectual customers like myself. Best RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped working
Title: Message We supposedly had it activated today and I have not seen it hi on one email all day. I was wondering if there was a problem. I thought I would call Declude on Monday. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:50 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped workingHi -It looks like my ZEROHOUR test just stopped working late yeaterday afternoon.I did not make any configuration changes.Is anyone else experiencing the same thing ??Jeff---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped working
Title: Message I did all that except the debug part. I will do that later today and report back. Are you saying that if ZEROHOUR is triggered on a message it will not show in Log HIGH? If this is the case then please tweak the logging level HIGH to show ZEROHOUR hits. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chrisSent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:50 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped working Kevin, Make sure the ZEROHOUR directive is in your global, on a 10 14 16 weight scale we use this test with a default weight 14. Restart the proc and you should be ok. You can verify its operation by setting the global to debug and double checking your logs. I double checked your Host record the test is enabled on our end.. ZEROHOUR 14 Chris Asaro Technical Support Engineer Declude Your Email security is our business 866.332.5833toll free978.499.2933office978.477.8930 e-fax[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:32 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped working We supposedly had it activated today and I have not seen it hi on one email all day. I was wondering if there was a problem. I thought I would call Declude on Monday. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:50 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] ZEROHOUR - stopped working Hi -It looks like my ZEROHOUR test just stopped working late yeaterday afternoon.I did not make any configuration changes.Is anyone else experiencing the same thing ??Jeff---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] INV-URIBL Scoring?
INV-URIBL looks at links in all mail that it processes. Not just mail identified as spam. Analyzing links is how it determines the probability of the message being spam. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:39 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] INV-URIBL Scoring? Hi Guys, Considering that INV-URIBL looks at just the links contained in known spam, is it safe to set the weight on this test so high that this single test would trigger a hold or delete weight? Right now I have it set to score fairly low, and it adds to the total score, but would not cause a hold without other tests adding to the weight. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] California Regional Intranet
This IPS seems to be very friendly with the Spammers. What are your thoughts about blocking their entire assigned IP range?? Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module
Give them a break they, are switching systems and you have found a glitch/bug/annoyance. Pick up the phone and call them. They are good people and will honor your support contract. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:46 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module I saw the phone number in the original message, but that doesn't change the rest of the message. The point is how can a company whose business is email and the internet exclude all forms of communication except for the telephone? And even an automated message from their [former] support communication method did not come out and say that. What it says is if you haven't heard from them in 24 hours after you have tried to contact them via the web or email, then call them. It doesn't say anything about flipping switches. If they wish to limit all customer communication to the telephone, then why don't they just come out and say we refuse to talk to any of our customers unless they call us ? It is Declude's fault for encouraging us to use email as the primary form of communication all this time, and now arbitrarily cutting it off. The real question is when we pay for an annual service contract, exactly what are we getting? Apparently a lot less than we were receiving before August 28th. Original Message From: Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:57 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module I think it means you have to pick up the phone and call them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:12 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module It's a catch-22. You send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get a reply back saying that they will no longer pay attention to messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What does it mean when customers have to try to get in touch with Declude so that they flip the switch so that the customer can get in touch with Declude? Original Message From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:32 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module Then I would contact customer service to have them flip the switch so you can place support tickets. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:17 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module Interesting. If I log in to my account on the Declude web site, there is no option listed for the new CRM module. It is not that it is grayed out as described below. It just isn't there. And I do have a current service agreement. So, since according to this message we can no longer use [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the supposed new CRM module doesn't seem to be available, how do we contact Declude support? By the way, the reason I was trying to contact Declude support is that I was investigating the latest all_list.dat file, and found that the download link on the Declude web site is now no longer valid. (The download link for the Declude GUI didn't work either, as well as the link for the demo copy of Sniffer.) Seems that when Declude updated their web site they forgot to check the one thing on the web site that an existing customer is most likely to use, such as all their download links. And they wonder why we get upset. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re: [17D-0C9324FF-DB7C] Latest all_list.dat Thank you for submitting a ticket to support. Your ticket number is [17D-0C9324FF-DB7C]. Please keep this ticket number for your records and include it in the subject (including brackets) of all future emails regarding this issue. The response time during business hours is usually within 24 hours, if you have had no response in this time please do not hesitate to call our support number 1-866-332-5833 IMPORTANT NOTICE Declude is migrating to a new CRM business solution which
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module
Then I would contact customer service to have them flip the switch so you can place support tickets. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:17 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] [EMAIL PROTECTED] versus new case management module Interesting. If I log in to my account on the Declude web site, there is no option listed for the new CRM module. It is not that it is grayed out as described below. It just isn't there. And I do have a current service agreement. So, since according to this message we can no longer use [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the supposed new CRM module doesn't seem to be available, how do we contact Declude support? By the way, the reason I was trying to contact Declude support is that I was investigating the latest all_list.dat file, and found that the download link on the Declude web site is now no longer valid. (The download link for the Declude GUI didn't work either, as well as the link for the demo copy of Sniffer.) Seems that when Declude updated their web site they forgot to check the one thing on the web site that an existing customer is most likely to use, such as all their download links. And they wonder why we get upset. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re: [17D-0C9324FF-DB7C] Latest all_list.dat Thank you for submitting a ticket to support. Your ticket number is [17D-0C9324FF-DB7C]. Please keep this ticket number for your records and include it in the subject (including brackets) of all future emails regarding this issue. The response time during business hours is usually within 24 hours, if you have had no response in this time please do not hesitate to call our support number 1-866-332-5833 IMPORTANT NOTICE Declude is migrating to a new CRM business solution which includes a new case management module. We will begin using this feature beginning the week of 28 August, the result of this action means that Declude will no longer accept and create support cases using the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will need to login into your Declude account to submit a case. If you can not submit a case due to the option being grayed out this means that you do not have an active service agreement. Call customer care 866-332-5822 #3 to purchase or renew a service agreement. We understand that this will be awkward and/or unwanted, however our goal is to continue servicing our paying customers. Thank You. Declude Technical Support --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This?
I have been seeing about 2-3 emails per month with out declude headers anywhere in the emil message. They have all been spam. No delcude headers in the header or body. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:33 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This? On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John T ((Lists)) wrote: But you need to check the message body. There has been discussion about a string of spam that has bad headers where the Declude Headers end up at the bottom of the body John, I have done so ... the only other part of the message is a JPG attachment which has the actual viewable spam advertisement ... did not note any more header lines enclosed in the body of the message. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Re: Why is Declude Not Scanning This? By anychance are the Declude headers all the way at the bottom of the message. Also, in 8.x trains of Imail there were situations where the QueueManager could steal the message from Declude 2.x and below and deliver it before Declude processed it. Darrell (1) No more headers were visible any place in either the message header or header text (2) I'm running Imail 9.0 and Declude 4.All the latest releases Still perplexed ... only happens once in a while, otherwise all working ok --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Smartermail Spam Filtering
It is pretty easy to hide the settings. I have placed DIV tags around the items I do not want our users to see/use place a style=visibility: hidden on the div tag. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:47 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Smartermail Spam Filtering I'm looking at moving from Imail 7.13 to Smartermail but I do ALL anti- virus/spam in Declude and don't want my users to have any spam filter settings in Smartermail. Does anyone know if it's easy to disable those features/remove them from the web interface? -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Max whitelists hit
If you are not authenticating your users then your SMTP server
is open for spammers to forge the “from” address to relay through your server!
Unless you only allow relaying from specific ip addresses. “Relay for local users
only” is a great way for spammers to hijack your server.
“Relay Mail for Addresses” and “No Mail Relay” are the only safe
relay options. Assuming the addresses trusted in relay for addresses are secure
from unauthorized relaying.
Kevin Bilbee
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Edmonds
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:15 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Max whitelists hit
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Confidential
Thanks John, but Authentication is not an option right now and I
will suffer the few forged addresses that come through.
I did not realise that there was a limit to the amount of domains I
can put in the whitelist and its worked until now whilst testing it with
a few domains but with a long list of 500 domains it does not work
properly, when really it should.
Without posting really really confidential information here, I need
to be able whitelist, the same way that I can blacklist.
I have one guy at domainA.com trying to send to another guy at
domainB.com and both domains are on the same server.
domainB.com is not getting the emails becasue domainA.com's ip address where
they are located is blacklisted quite badly and the email when sent through our
server is given a score of 48, which means any email that domainA.com sends to
domainB.com gets put in the spam hold queue.
Right now I need to be able to use the whitelisting functionality
of declude.
Kindest
Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com
E : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:52 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Max whitelists hit
Sensitivity: Confidential
1. Sorry, your email was not considered confidential and has been
included in a public archive for all to see.
2. As I said before, please stop using the silly white listing of a
domain. Haven’t you heard of forged addresses?
3. Please review your configuration and correct the problem causing
your clients outbound email to be scanned. What you are doing is a workaround,
not fixing the actual problem. You will have to bite the bullet and start
forcing your users to authenticate and in doing so can easily whitelist based
upon the fact that they authenticated.
John T
eServices For You
Seek, and ye shall find!
-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig
Edmonds
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:28 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Max whitelists hit
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Confidential
Hi David,
It kind of works.
In C:\IMAIL\Declude\$default$.junkmail I have placed the following line:
WHITELISTFILEC:\IMAIL\Declude\Filters\whitelist.txt
The file at C:\IMAIL\Declude\Filters\whitelist.txt contains a list of email
addresses in the following format:
@123-reg.co.uk
@tapiz.com.ar
@redhothomes.co.uk
@cloudninemurcia.com
@cloudninemarbella.com
(there is about 500 domains I am whitelisting at the moment)
I am sitting here watching the log file (btw, I am using a programme called
BareTail which absolutely rocks when you want to look at live log
files
http://www.baremetalsoft.com) and it
seems that its whitelisting some
domains listed in the whitelist.txt file but still passes many of the
domains in the whitelist file through the declude spam filter.
This results in many of my clients emails being held in the spam folder.
Any ideas?
Kindest Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com
E : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
Barker
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:40 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Max whitelists hit
Sensitivity: Confidential
Yes, in the global.cfg there is a limit. If you need to have unlimited
whitelist entries, or if you need per-user or per-domain whitelisting, you
may find the WHITELISTFILE option helpful.
To use this option, you need to add a line in the format WHITELISTFILE
D:\{MAILSERVER}\Declude\mywhitelist.txt to the appropriate configuration
file (\{MAILSERVER}\Declude\$default$.JunkMail, or the per-user/per-domain
configuration file you wish to use the whitelists with). The
D:\{MAILSERVER}\Declude\mywhitelist.txt file would then contain either one
E-mail address ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
or domain (@example.com) or subdomain
(.example.com) per line. The whitelist files can have unlimited
entries in
them.
Note that the file you use with the WHITELISTFILE option does NOT use the
same format as the WHITELIST entries
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail?
There would have to be a way to secure something like this. If it can be added by a gateway what would stop a spammer form adding it with a -1 weight??? Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:27 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? It would be nice if SmarterTools would introduce a simple scoreable text filter that could search at least the headers. That way a score could be passed from any gateway to SmarterMail for actions. Matt Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC wrote: I can confirm this is the only way it will work. Declude communicatesthe score directly to SmarterMail in a way that breaks when a messagehas been relayed from a gateway server. In such instances, it'snecessary to setup SmarterMail content filter rules based up yourDeclude inserted headers and set the appropriate actions.-Jay-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JohnT (Lists)Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:37 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed toSmarterMail?I think what he means is serverA is doing the scanning and then themessageis sent to serverB and he wants serverB to know what the score was andtotake action.Why not add a custom header line with the total weight via Declude andthenset up the rules on serverB to look for that line in the header.John TeServices For YouSeek, and ye shall find! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:51 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? It is passed int the .hdr file.Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mark StrotherSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:03 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed toSmarterMail?Could someone explain to me how the message score is passedto SmarterMail?I would like to set up a SmarterMail server, running Declude,as a gateway for our mail. The problem with this setup is, inmy tests, SmarterMail doesn't recognize the Declude scoreswhen they are a generated on another server. This means thatusers wouldn't be able to configure their own rules such asdelete mail if the score is 20.Is there anyway I can run Declude on my gateway server andpass the score to SmarterMail on another server? I just wantto tag the messages on the gateway machine and then let usersset custom actions using the SmarterMail interface.Any thoughts would be appreciated! Mark---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can befound at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail?
Question does anyone know of how SmarterMail processes messages. A program could be created that could process mail based on the “Command-line file to run on new mail” if Declude runs before the command line program then this could read the Declude gateway inserted header then add the Declude .hdr field to email .hdr file on the local server. If Declude runs after the command line program then it will not work Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Strother Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:15 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? The problem is we have over 10,000 webmail users. Teaching them to setup filters is not easy. They’re used to seeing the integrated SmarterMail SPAM filtering options. I think Matt has a good idea. A very simple lightweight filter than runs on the SmarterMail server. It would look at the Declude score in the headers and pass the appropriate score to SmarterMail. If something like this existed we’d have reason to buy two more licenses for Declude. Until then I guess we’ll have to continue running Declude on the SmarterMail server itself. Ideally I’d like to move this load to a couple gateway servers. Mark Strother Pacific Online Phone: 604-638-6010 ext. 222 Fax: 604-638-6020 Toll Free: 1-877-503-9870 http://www.pacificonline.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:35 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? SmarterMail content filters can easily search headers … I have been doing this for weeks without issue. Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:27 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? It would be nice if SmarterTools would introduce a simple scoreable text filter that could search at least the headers. That way a score could be passed from any gateway to SmarterMail for actions. Matt Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC wrote: I can confirm this is the only way it will work. Declude communicatesthe score directly to SmarterMail in a way that breaks when a messagehas been relayed from a gateway server. In such instances, it'snecessary to setup SmarterMail content filter rules based up yourDeclude inserted headers and set the appropriate actions.-Jay-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JohnT (Lists)Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:37 AMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed toSmarterMail?I think what he means is serverA is doing the scanning and then themessageis sent to serverB and he wants serverB to know what the score was andtotake action.Why not add a custom header line with the total weight via Declude andthenset up the rules on serverB to look for that line in the header.John TeServices For YouSeek, and ye shall find! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:51 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? It is passed int the .hdr file.Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mark StrotherSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:03 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed toSmarterMail?Could someone explain to me how the message score is passedto SmarterMail?I would like to set up a SmarterMail server, running Declude,as a gateway for our mail. The problem with this setup is, inmy tests, SmarterMail doesn't recognize the Declude scoreswhen they are a generated on another server. This means thatusers wouldn't be able to configure their own rules such asdelete mail if the score is 20.Is there anyway I can run Declude on my gateway server andpass the score to SmarterMail on another server? I just wantto tag the messages on the gateway machine and then let usersset custom actions using the SmarterMail interface.Any thoughts would be appreciated! Mark---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can befound at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool
Looking at the code for Xcalcs it should work for you. If you are using inheritance and do not want it to iterate all the files then you cannot use the /T, /F, of /S options. If you use one of these do it will iterate all files on the drive. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:35 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool I am seeking out an ACL manipulation tool that will let me set the Read Attributes permission on the root of a drive (no inheritance), that does not automatically apply the permission to sub-files/folders and also does not 'touch' every file on the server. I have tried the following tools, but ran into the issues noted: Cacls - Does not support Read Attributes permission. Does not allow inheritance to be specified. However, cacls only modifies ACLs on the specified root drive and nothing more, so performance is very quick. Xcacls.vbs - Supports Read Attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. However, when setting the permission, this tool enumerates every single file on the drive, making the process extremely slow. Setacl.exe - Supports read attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to set permissions properly on the root of a drive. FileACL.exe - Supports read attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. However, when setting the permission, this tool enumerates every single file on the drive, making the process extremely slow. Xcacls.exe - Does not support read attributes permission, and seems to insert ACE entries in a non-supported manner on Windows 2003 servers. Dacl.vbs - Does not support read attributes permission. Is anyone aware of any other tools available? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool
Well that sucks. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:39 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool Unfortunately, it seems like the WMI call they make in xcacls.vbs still ends up enumerating all of the files on the drive ... I'll check filemon and see the wmi process just hitting all of the files, even though it's not changing any permissions on those files. Highly inefficient, but typical MS I suppose :( Thanks though. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:28 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool Looking at the code for Xcalcs it should work for you. If you are using inheritance and do not want it to iterate all the files then you cannot use the /T, /F, of /S options. If you use one of these do it will iterate all files on the drive. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:35 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ACL Manipulation Tool I am seeking out an ACL manipulation tool that will let me set the Read Attributes permission on the root of a drive (no inheritance), that does not automatically apply the permission to sub-files/folders and also does not 'touch' every file on the server. I have tried the following tools, but ran into the issues noted: Cacls - Does not support Read Attributes permission. Does not allow inheritance to be specified. However, cacls only modifies ACLs on the specified root drive and nothing more, so performance is very quick. Xcacls.vbs - Supports Read Attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. However, when setting the permission, this tool enumerates every single file on the drive, making the process extremely slow. Setacl.exe - Supports read attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to set permissions properly on the root of a drive. FileACL.exe - Supports read attributes permission, and allows for proper control over inheritance. However, when setting the permission, this tool enumerates every single file on the drive, making the process extremely slow. Xcacls.exe - Does not support read attributes permission, and seems to insert ACE entries in a non-supported manner on Windows 2003 servers. Dacl.vbs - Does not support read attributes permission. Is anyone aware of any other tools available? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail?
It is passed int the .hdr file. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Strother Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How is a message score passed to SmarterMail? Could someone explain to me how the message score is passed to SmarterMail? I would like to set up a SmarterMail server, running Declude, as a gateway for our mail. The problem with this setup is, in my tests, SmarterMail doesn't recognize the Declude scores when they are a generated on another server. This means that users wouldn't be able to configure their own rules such as delete mail if the score is 20. Is there anyway I can run Declude on my gateway server and pass the score to SmarterMail on another server? I just want to tag the messages on the gateway machine and then let users set custom actions using the SmarterMail interface. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Mark --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
A book on accounting is not necessary. I am very familiar with cost centers. It is a fact that removing cost centers can cost a business revenue. So if a small ISP removes spam filtering from their offerings then their customers that want a one stop shop will go elsewhere. It is a balancing act. What cost centers help you retain customers? Which ones will get you new business? Electricity is also a cost center but without it you would not have any revenue generating services to offer! Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:37 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Kevin, It would probably help for you to take a course or read a book on business accounting. There are cost centers, and revenue-generating centers. Sometimes it may be a judgement call as to where one item goes, as in spam filtering, but it is the business's call as to how they structure their pricing model, what is considered revenue-generating, and what is considered a cost. External parties have no business deciding what should be considered revenue-generating for any given business. Also, I think everyone is missing the point Matt has made several times of how do you decide how much revenue should be attributed to spam/virus filtering. How do you attach a value to it's contribution to keeping customers or obtaining new customers? Or a relative value of the service against other services like base email hosting, web hosting, traffic reports, control panels, database hosting, media hosting, tech support, maintenance, etc. Again, it's a judgement call. And since most businesses have different mixes of costs, pricing models, etc. it would take looking at each business individually to come up with some sort of revenue-sharing model. One size would most definitely not fit all. In short, while this idea may be creative, it's not the least bit practical. Revenue-sharing should be a misnomer, and pricing should be by server, domain, or account/alias. For a pricing model to be successful, subjectivity needs to be removed so that the factors determining it can be easily quantified. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 No they do not impose a revenue sharing model, but toilet paper is still a consumable that indirectly makes restaurants money by keeping its customers happy. When it is there no one notices, when it is not customers definitely know and are put off. My comments are not about the revenue sharing but that email is a lost leader for an ISP. Lost leaders simply make business money by keeping the customers happy purchasing other higher margin products. Otherwise there would be no reason to sell a service for less than it costs to maintain. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:01 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I think one thing that happened here is that the announcement regarding ComTouch didn't make it *clear* that it is an *optional* part of Declude. MY initial impression was that *any* Service Provider who uses the version of Declude that incomes ComTouch would be required to participate in the licensing of it, by whatever scheme fit the bill. Now that I understand it's optional, fine, I don't have to use that part. The toilet paper manufacturer does not impose a per-customer usage fee or take a direct percentage of the restaurant's daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/yearly sales. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and it costs you money to provide then what is the business case for providing the service? Last I checked business, are in business to make money on capital investments/expenditures. Not spend money for things that do not make money. An analogy: Does a restaurant make revenue from toilet paper? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be lost. Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue of the fact
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be lost. The ISP users need to ask is what level of these services do I need to offer to keep current customers happy and what level of service do I need to land new business? Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:35 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Kevin, Mainly because in order to get other types of business that may bring revenue (hosting, etc) this type of service is expected. Look at any ISP/hosting provider that is offering $5.00 a month hosting plans this is what everyone competes with. Could you imagine yourself (consumer or small business) signing up with a hosting provider and them not handling your email or even better not virus scanning it? Even with yahoo/gmail you get free spam filtering and virus scanning. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etc
I do not think it is a problem. I like the additional option. But if I was a new customer the subscription model would be out of our price range. I would like to see a trial of the CT add-in. We have a habit of not buying software without firsthand experience (trial version). Contrary to your comments on the use of this forum, it has always been for all things Declude when Scott was the sole player he never complained about the conversation threads. Positive or negative. I think you could complain if say we were talking about phone systems. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:00 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etc Nick, With regards to outstanding bugs I have a list which we are working on, and as you know I have committed to get these fixed as well as add new functionality to Declude. When we did our tests against Message Sniffer we found that CT performed at the very least comparable if not better than Message Sniffer. We have given customers who cannot afford the additional cost of Message Sniffer an alternative option at a cheaper price. I don't understand why this is a problem. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:47 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etc David, You have asked for some constructive feedback here regarding this new offering - I will not ask for a show of hands here :) but I bet a lot of folks are rolling their eyes simply because of the core Declude product and its outstanding bugs., inability to release a stable product, service contracts that cost $$ with no benefit, etal cloud the issue so much. I think once Declude gets back on track and provides what is promised new offerings will be generally better accepted within the community. Your participation within this list now is great - hopefully Declude JunkMail will get fixed an be improved spam tool. As for Commtouch - I am quite skeptical of it being any where near as good as you allude to. Competition is tough here especially from MessageSniffer where the product is very good and the support is even better... -Nick --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etc
I would have to agree with Matt’s last few comments The people that can purchase CommTouch for $195 are mostly not complaining except for two things; 1) they are worried about this abnormal approach to the market and how it reflects on the prospects of Declude going forward, and 2) they want bug fixes and free and obvious advancements before they get ones that they have to pay extra for. To me Declude should be enhancing their core product like the AVG integration and possibly an integration of URI lists. Let others create the add-ons. I am worried that I pay a yearly fee and have not seen additional benefit over the past few years. Adding add-ins is great but what am I getting for my yearly maintenance? Bug fixes have been slow and features have been minimal. I say minimal because the only additional feature in the product does not help with spam. It is a virus feature, the addition of AVG. Although great, virus scanning for us is an afterthought for us. All our mail is scanned for viruses by our two gateway machines before making to the mailbox server. Also I would like to see a response to my last two emails to support! At least a hey we received your email. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:00 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etc David, This is in context. Really. You mention that it is 1/2 the price of Message Sniffer...but not for service providers. Under any revenue share that I could contemplate you using, it would no doubt be many times more expensive, not to mention the fact (which John pointed out), that it would be impossible to figure out what one's revenues were for this one piece of a broader service offering, and I should have to need an accountant to figure out what I pay for a plug-in. The people that can purchase CommTouch for $195 are mostly not complaining except for two things; 1) they are worried about this abnormal approach to the market and how it reflects on the prospects of Declude going forward, and 2) they want bug fixes and free and obvious advancements before they get ones that they have to pay extra for. I hope that makes sense. It's painfully obvious to me and some others that I know. Matt David Barker wrote: Ouch' let keep it in context. We have added an option that is comparable toMessage Sniffer at 1/2 the price of Message Sniffer and I don't get it. ;)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MattSent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:18 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Commtouch, etcDavid Barker wrote: I don't understand why this is a problem. That in fact IS the problem, isn't it?:)Matt---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe,just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribeDeclude.JunkMail. The archives can be found athttp://www.mail-archive.com.---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and it costs you money to provide then what is the business case for providing the service? Last I checked business, are in business to make money on capital investments/expenditures. Not spend money for things that do not make money. An analogy: Does a restaurant make revenue from toilet paper? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be lost. Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue of the fact that they allow me to be in business in the first place I can expect a knock on the door from Microsoft since they make the server o/s... and Dell since they make the servers. So just being a part of the show lets the pig belly up to the trough. Not in this universe. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
No they do not impose a revenue sharing model, but toilet paper is still a consumable that indirectly makes restaurants money by keeping its customers happy. When it is there no one notices, when it is not customers definitely know and are put off. My comments are not about the revenue sharing but that email is a lost leader for an ISP. Lost leaders simply make business money by keeping the customers happy purchasing other higher margin products. Otherwise there would be no reason to sell a service for less than it costs to maintain. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:01 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I think one thing that happened here is that the announcement regarding ComTouch didn't make it *clear* that it is an *optional* part of Declude. MY initial impression was that *any* Service Provider who uses the version of Declude that incomes ComTouch would be required to participate in the licensing of it, by whatever scheme fit the bill. Now that I understand it's optional, fine, I don't have to use that part. The toilet paper manufacturer does not impose a per-customer usage fee or take a direct percentage of the restaurant's daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/yearly sales. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and it costs you money to provide then what is the business case for providing the service? Last I checked business, are in business to make money on capital investments/expenditures. Not spend money for things that do not make money. An analogy: Does a restaurant make revenue from toilet paper? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be lost. Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue of the fact that they allow me to be in business in the first place I can expect a knock on the door from Microsoft since they make the server o/s... and Dell since they make the servers. So just being a part of the show lets the pig belly up to the trough. Not in this universe. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message Then stop offering mail if it such a burden to the business. Explain to your customer that they can can go to Hotmail or Yahoo. When the addy gets horked by spammers, simply abandon it and create another. Let us know how many customers stay with your service. Of course you will not be able to quantify the lost new business! Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:55 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Hahahahaha! E-mail hardlykeeps or draws customers. Anybody who wants e-mail can go to Hotmail or Yahoo. When the addy gets horked by spammers, simply abandon it and create another. Domain hosting, maybe a little. However, I have domain customers who havenever used their included mail service. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it revenue would be lost. The ISP users need to ask is what level of these services do I need to offer to keep current customers happy and what level of service do I need to land new business? Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:35 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Kevin, Mainly because in order to get other types of business that may bring revenue (hosting, etc) this type of service is expected. Look at any ISP/hosting provider that is offering $5.00 a month hosting plans this is what everyone competes with. Could you imagine yourself (consumer or small business) signing up with a hosting provider and them not handling your email or even better not virus scanning it? Even with yahoo/gmail you get free spam filtering and virus scanning. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
My hand is raised. Kevin Bilbee Standard Abrasives -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:21 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your web page that shows up when I log in to my account. What I find particularly amusing is the line Restrictions apply to service providers. If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a service provider, please raise your hand. Isn't it generally a good idea to have your product's pricing defined before you introduce the product? I'm sure that everyone here reading the list is extremely curious as to what the revenue share program really is, and when it does come out, unless you hear exclamations of What a Bargain coming off this list there won't be many of us joining that program. Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or reasons to upgrade to 4.3? Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Gary, 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology in email outbreak detection. 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will provide the details to this when it is ready. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use Commtouch? Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does not? And of course it would be nice if this revenue share program was spelled out somewhere. Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message What exactly is protestion. let me see I think it shuld be protection!! Yea that is it, protection. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:22 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Question to thoes that are saying thatspam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] F-Prot Licensing
So it seems that market forces are not causing the price to drop. It is causing the price to increase. There are ever more players in the antivirus market but pricing continues to go up. The market force of absolute need for antivirus on the mail server is outweighing the number of companies supplying antivirus command line scanners. What is the breaking point. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AlamoHost Admin Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:37 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] F-Prot Licensing Is the subscription to AVG part of Declude now or does the user need to purchase a subscription from AVG in order to get definition updates? The prices for the AVG mail server version isn't much better than F- Prot. They only list prices up to 100 mailboxes - $1,030 for 2 years. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Declude's AVG scanner
I just discovered the same issue on my test server, definitions not updating. On my liver server they are updating. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:19 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Declude's AVG scanner John T Mine are Avi7.avg 2/21/2006 Miniavi.avg 5/22/2006 Microavi.avg 5/18/2006 Icavi.avm5/22/2006 Pretty out of date! I'm running 4.2 build 20 John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:49 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Declude's AVG scanner The 4 files I have are as such: Avi7.avg 02/16/06 Miniavi.avg 07/13/06 Microavi.avg 07/14/06 Incavi.avm07/17/06 John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:38 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner None of the db files have ever updated. Does anyone know what ports, protocols, whatever is used to do the update. Either Declude is not requesting the db update, or our firewall is blocking either the request or the subsequent update file. So far I haven't been able to find anything in the firewall logs. thanks for any help John --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail
Yes declude is directly on the smartermail box. Our evaluation is small, a 3 user domain that gets about 500 emails a day. Imail is not in the mix for the test. The domain is gatewayed behind a Symantec SMTP gateway. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:55 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail Kevin, Would you be running Declude on the SM box so an all in one solution? Or would you have Declude/Imail on one box and then SM hosting on another box? Also how many mailboxes/domains are you running? Thanks Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:26 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail We are evaluating SM at the moment. What bugs are you referring to? So far I have seen fewer bugs than with my current Imail installation. We are testing SmarterMail 3.3.2369 and are running Imail 8.22 Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:01 PM To: Goran Jovanovic Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail Smartertools confirmed that I could use the free (1 domain/10 users) as an unlimited gateway. I am putting in a gateway in front of my Declude process to handle address validation. NOTE that IMail will also gateway an unlimited number of domains as well. Still see no reason to open the floodgates to SM bugs, when your existing version of IMail can do all of this. --Sandy --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] F-Prot Licensing
When did Frisk change the licensing for F-prot! They now have a mail server license for windows on number of users pricing? F-Prot Antivirus for Windows Mail Servers Number of Users Annual license fee 1-24 US$ 269 25-49 US$ 359 50-99 US$ 449 100-199 US$ 719 200-299 US$ 989 300-399 US$ 1259 400-499 US$ 1529 500-749 US$ 1799 750-999 US$ 2069 1000-1999 US$ 2519 2000-2999 US$ 2969 3000-3999 US$ 3419 4000-4999 US$ 3869 5000-5999 US$ 4499 Kevin Bilbee Network Administrator Standard Abrasives, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changing the way industry works. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail
I am currently testing SmarterMail as a conversion. I am completely impressed with the speed and quality of the product, Declude is functioning perfectly also. We do not have the error folder issue due to our server being behind a gateway, Declude has stated they will have a fix to the issue in the next release. Kevin Bilbee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:58 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Which way to upgrade - SmarterMail or IMail Hi All, I am currently running IMail 8.15 HF2 and Declude 4.1.0. I got new server hardware so it is time to do it all over again. I want to incorporate an address validation gateway on the same box as my Declude system. I gateway pretty much all of my traffic and host very few domains (on the same box). Since I want all this to happen on one box I need to have two IPs both of which listen on port 25, I do not want the Declude portion to be listening on a different port. So I would either need to upgrade to IMail 8.2x since it can listen on only one IP or move to SmarterMail 3.3 as it can do the same thing. Having run IMail for a while I am obviously familiar with the product and have scripts etc that have been created for it. Having said that I am not committed to IMail. I have seen the recent thread about the thousands of messages in the declude error folder with SmarterMail. What are people having luck with? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
How about if the message has failed in the .hdr file declude just ignores the file to let SmarterMail process it as it see fit??? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:26 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Not sure who you spoke to at SmarterTools but I do NOT believe this is true. Declude will not pick up a message until it is completed writing both the .hdr and .eml files, that is the reason why SmarterMail while writing the header will have the .eml file as .em_ (while writing) so that when the .hdr is complete ie. Written then and only then will Declude pick up the file to process it. Also you will see clearly, that the SM logs indicate a problem long before we receive the message. This was a new problem introduced by SmarterMail - 4.2.20 provided a fix for this. Again coming back to a previous post I made talking about the effects of the Mail server on Declude. The question always comes back to who should provide the fix, in this case we did as it was causing messages not being scanned by Declude for spam. I am trying to get a better understanding to the problem from SM and as soon as I have some answers from them I will post to the lists. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:13 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Here is SmarterTools take on the problem: Failed is written to the .hdr if the message was not succesfully recieved via SMTP. For instance, if the connection is closed mid transmission. These(and corresponding .emls) are normally just deleted by SmarterMail. The only reason you are noticing them is because of Declude storing them in the error folder. The implication is that Declude is interrupting part of SmarterMail's normail process. Now I know this is essentially what Declude does anyway, but shouldn't Declude know the difference between a message that has finished SMTP and SmarterMail is ready to deliver, and a message that is incomplete in the SMTP process and an SMTP retry is occurring so this failed message should be ignored? Otherwise we are going to get thousands of unneccessary incomplete messages dumped into the error folder that is going to do nothing other than to take up disk space. Not to mention that if some other type of error occurs that puts a message in the error folder, we'll never find it because its buried under all these other superfluous messages. Before 4.2.20, this wasn't a problem. Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:24 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Gary, This is a SmarterMail issue. When they fail to complete the .hdr file they write Failed in the .hdr as this was causing major spam leakage for declude we decided to move incomplete messages to the \error folder. You could try changing the Failed to Written and drop the messages in the \spool. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:52 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Now that I've installed 4.2.20, I'm getting a lot of messages in the error folder (I'm running SmarterMail 3.3.2369). Most of them seem to be spam, but there are some good messages in there. Am I now going to have to scan this folder for false positives just like the held spam folder? Here is an example of the .hdr file for a message that was good: Failed [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cmdspc: false helo: ivmail1.fcc.es What does Failed mean? Is there something I can look for in the headers of the message (in the .eml file) that would indicate this? Is there any way to requeue this message? Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:01 AM To: Declude.Virus@declude.com, Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 EVA ADD New NONSTANDARDHDR vulnerability test. Messages found to have broken headers are moved to the \virus folder EVA FIX ALLOWVULNERABILITIESFROM (for user) EVA FIX BANEXT buffer overflow SMADD When an error is found in the envelope (.hdr) file the message is moved to the \error folder SMADD Decludeproc will not start without a valid domainlist.xml SMFIX
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
GotCha. I then like the move to the error folder. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:54 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 That is exactly what was happening prior to the fix and it created a deluge of spam ending up in SmarterMail inboxes. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:49 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 How about if the message has failed in the .hdr file declude just ignores the file to let SmarterMail process it as it see fit??? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:26 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Not sure who you spoke to at SmarterTools but I do NOT believe this is true. Declude will not pick up a message until it is completed writing both the .hdr and .eml files, that is the reason why SmarterMail while writing the header will have the .eml file as .em_ (while writing) so that when the .hdr is complete ie. Written then and only then will Declude pick up the file to process it. Also you will see clearly, that the SM logs indicate a problem long before we receive the message. This was a new problem introduced by SmarterMail - 4.2.20 provided a fix for this. Again coming back to a previous post I made talking about the effects of the Mail server on Declude. The question always comes back to who should provide the fix, in this case we did as it was causing messages not being scanned by Declude for spam. I am trying to get a better understanding to the problem from SM and as soon as I have some answers from them I will post to the lists. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:13 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Here is SmarterTools take on the problem: Failed is written to the .hdr if the message was not succesfully recieved via SMTP. For instance, if the connection is closed mid transmission. These(and corresponding .emls) are normally just deleted by SmarterMail. The only reason you are noticing them is because of Declude storing them in the error folder. The implication is that Declude is interrupting part of SmarterMail's normail process. Now I know this is essentially what Declude does anyway, but shouldn't Declude know the difference between a message that has finished SMTP and SmarterMail is ready to deliver, and a message that is incomplete in the SMTP process and an SMTP retry is occurring so this failed message should be ignored? Otherwise we are going to get thousands of unneccessary incomplete messages dumped into the error folder that is going to do nothing other than to take up disk space. Not to mention that if some other type of error occurs that puts a message in the error folder, we'll never find it because its buried under all these other superfluous messages. Before 4.2.20, this wasn't a problem. Original Message From: David Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:24 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Gary, This is a SmarterMail issue. When they fail to complete the .hdr file they write Failed in the .hdr as this was causing major spam leakage for declude we decided to move incomplete messages to the \error folder. You could try changing the Failed to Written and drop the messages in the \spool. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:52 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006 Now that I've installed 4.2.20, I'm getting a lot of messages in the error folder (I'm running SmarterMail 3.3.2369). Most of them seem to be spam, but there are some good messages in there. Am I now going to have to scan this folder for false positives just like the held spam folder? Here is an example of the .hdr file for a message that was good: Failed [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cmdspc: false helo: ivmail1.fcc.es What does Failed mean? Is there something I can look for in the headers of the message
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blackberry Issues - blank bodies
My guess (I am not an expert) is that some emails sent by Blackberrys are sent using transfer code Base64. That transfer code has a problem with Declude footer. I am not sure if the problem is at Declude end or at the Bas64 encode using an invalid character. The problem is with Declude adding plain text to the end of the Base64 section of the email so it decodes incorrectly. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test
Most of the historic traffic had to do with Scott actively participating in the list and listing his clients. I have noticed the less Declude participates the quieter the list gets. And Declude has been keeping to them selves as of late. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:43 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No. Most likely it is because declude.junkmail typically experiences a lot of traffic, but recently it's been extremely quiet. I guess some folks just got paranoid. Instead of posting test messages, it would be better if folks asked a question or made an appropriate comment to start a thread. Original Message From: Arik Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test Have we been having problems with this? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaun Patterson Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:50 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test Another Test to See that the List is working properly. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Growing Pains
What is Commtouch it is www.Commtouch.com? Or something else. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:59 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com; Declude.Virus@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Growing Pains To all Declude users: I wanted to send out a message to address some of the concerns being raised by our user base. Before I get down to specifics, let me give you some information about the general direction of the company. Declude is still a small company. Like any business, we want to grow, create better products, keep you our customers happy and enjoy what we do. Growth requires a certain amount of change. In our case that means hiring a number of new people to expand our customer support group and provide better service. It means looking for new partners such as AVG and CommTouch to make our software work even harder as security threats become faster and more sophisticated. It means finding a bigger, more productive space to work in. And it means that we need to explore opportunities to make our products available to more people. Trying to accomplish many of those things inevitably leads to making a few mistakes. Frankly, we made some seriously dumb ones over the last few weeks and we apologize for any problems we may have caused. Despite some of these unintentional screw ups, we still know who we are. Scott Perry established Declude as small company that really listened to its users and created flexible, powerful solutions that allowed them to customize Declude for their individual needs. It was also a company that was responsive to its users. Despite a momentary hiatus, that is the Declude that you will see again, and very soon. Now, on to specifics: Q - Why have we been so slow to respond to tech requests? A: Ironically, in an effort to expand both tech support and engineering to deliver faster response and better solutions we have expanded staffing in both areas significantly. We all know that that our software is powerful, but it's also complex and takes time to truly master its nuances. We underestimated the time it would take and the resources required to get our people in both areas up to speed. Our mistake. We are now past that area of concern and ready to be responsive to your needs. Q. - Are there issues or problems with the product? A. - No, just the opposite. The fact of the matter is we are working aggressively to offer an industry leading, fully integrated solution that is both powerful and affordable. The AVG announcement is one example as is our upcoming addition of Commtouch to that suite is another. Integrating those solutions, while expanding staffing, moving and training was a result of biting off a bit more than we could chew at once. Timing was hardly perfect, but we have finalized the CommTouch integration and learned some hard lessons in the process. Like it or not, when small companies make mistakes, they really stand out. I guess for a few weeks we forgot that we are a small company and that we, like many of you, have limitations. You have our word that we will go above and beyond to make Declude a company you can depend on. Thanks for your patience. Q - It seems some people have left the company that we were used to communicating with. Why has Declude been silent on those departures. A - The short answer is that we are bound to respect the privacy of all our employees. It is up to them to provide that information. Our job, like yours, is to protect and secure the privacy of individuals and the enterprise, we won't make an exception in this case. David Barker Product Manager Declude is Cybercom Security - Email. Voice. Messaging. 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
