Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
Looking at applications in C# or other Visual Studio languages - you'd be
really struggling to develop database code (SQL Server et al) as efficiently as
you can with Delphi. It appears that Microsoft still haven't learned much from
Borland in respect of providing a productive environment for developing
enterprise database applications. Not only do you have to write heaps of code
but also setting properties for data-aware components (eg columns in a grid) is
still painfully slow in Visual studio (sure you can write code to do it but
that's even slower).
We've do try writing newer applications in Mickeysoft .NET but whenever we get
a database application, or a smaller scale app, then using Delphi is still the
only sensible answer in our experience (in terms of productivity).
Eric
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Hi all,
Just got this in the Firebird Yahoo Groups List. When I get a snap ( as
in the card game ) I start to wonder.
What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below )
Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi
in just maintenance?
Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to
the Windows PC platform?
kr
gary
Firebird List message:
I was wondering if anyone knows what percentage of applications thatuse
Firebird are written in Delphi?I ask because I think Delphi's general usage is
already shrinking andI feel like it is only going to continue to do so. If
Delphi doescontinue to shrink I was wondering what effect that will have
onFirebird's growth.I work on a large system with millions of lines of Delphi
code so weneed to consider where things will be in 3 to 5 years from now
whichis why I am interested. We already are having a lot of problemsgetting
support for some Delphi code we have purchased from 3rd parties.
Huan
At 10:53 on 24/07/2008 you wrote
To : delphi@delphi.org.nz
CC :
From: Neven MacEwan, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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J
Wouldn't IMAP be better
Dont worry about the offtopic thing, other than this Delphi is dead
isn't it?
N
well, on sites I saw, people were taking about Dovecot and another one
called Zibra or somethng like that and had elpful looking tutorials,
but they seemed pretty complicated
I guess I can take a look at your suggestion. Clearly POP3 would eb
FAR better.
Jeremy
Ow...just noticed I didnt email thisn to offtoipicSORRY EVERYONE
:-)
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Date: Thu, July 24, 2008 10:26 am
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jeremy == jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jeremy anyone got any ideas? APART from installing a POP3 server,
jeremy as from what I have read this seems to be a bit of effort
jeremy for just ONE email address.
? eh, it's more than something like apt-get install pop3 ??
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Berend de Boer
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Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
I can tell you from experience that 3 to 4 good Delphi developers can totally outperform 30 to 40 Java developers on a similar sized project by a factor of several months. Basically every Java development tool sucks big time. We do a lot of java for web and you spend a lot of time fighting the tools. VS is another story though - use it for C, C++, and C#. It cant get around the ugliness of C and C++ but it sure makes debugging more palatable. The MPI and threading support rocks. Shame we will never get that kind of support for Kylix. (We develop in VS and deploy to linux). I also have VS 98 for Fortran - you can see the imprint of Delphi all over the VS versions from 2003 onward and lots of C# feels very much more like Delphi than C++. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
[Reply] Hi all, Just got this in the Firebird Yahoo Groups List. When I get a snap ( as in the card game ) I start to wonder. What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? kr gary Firebird List message: I was wondering if anyone knows what percentage of applications that use Firebird are written in Delphi? I ask because I think Delphi's general usage is already shrinking and I feel like it is only going to continue to do so. If Delphi does continue to shrink I was wondering what effect that will have on Firebird's growth. I work on a large system with millions of lines of Delphi code so we need to consider where things will be in 3 to 5 years from now which is why I am interested. We already are having a lot of problems getting support for some Delphi code we have purchased from 3rd parties. Huan At 10:53 on 24/07/2008 you wrote To : delphi@delphi.org.nz CC : From: Neven MacEwan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Type: text/plain Attached: J Wouldn't IMAP be better Dont worry about the offtopic thing, other than this Delphi is dead isn't it? N well, on sites I saw, people were taking about Dovecot and another one called Zibra or somethng like that and had elpful looking tutorials, but they seemed pretty complicated I guess I can take a look at your suggestion. Clearly POP3 would eb FAR better. Jeremy Ow...just noticed I didnt email thisn to offtoipicSORRY EVERYONE :-) Original Message Subject: Re: [DUG] Email Files From: Berend de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, July 24, 2008 10:26 am To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED].nz jeremy == jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose writes: jeremy anyone got any ideas? APART from installing a POP3 server, jeremy as from what I have read this seems to be a bit of effort jeremy for just ONE email address. ? eh, it's more than something like apt-get install pop3 ?? -- Cheers, Berend de Boer ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe Ref#: 41006 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Delphi stability is major nuisance - massive crashes on exit; Every second or third time you press Run, I get AV. If reset and press Run again, then this go normally. Advice is that a 3rd party component is responsible but only solution to find it, it steady uninstall until problem goes away. Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? I hate C style languages but VS C# is very productive, stable platform. Feels like Delphi, has the features like unicode and object inspectors that falls on deaf ears at Borland etc. My vast component base keeps small fast projects in Delphi, but for major or long term work, its becoming too risky. Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? Web apps are fact of life despite being horribly painful to write and use. However, none of this happening on windows platform so delphi not even an issue. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
lurker I use and love Delphi 7, and have a small set of reliable components I use over and over again. Comments on this list have utterly put me off upgrading ... grin I have tried Vis Studio options, but have been put off by the slow IDE ... /lurker Simon Garton GIS/IT Consultant email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob : +64 21 227 4666 lat/long : 36º53'17 S, 174º46'50 E www : http://www.simongarton.co.nz http://www.treecapture.co.nz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: 24 July 2008 11:47 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead? What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Delphi stability is major nuisance - massive crashes on exit; Every second or third time you press Run, I get AV. If reset and press Run again, then this go normally. Advice is that a 3rd party component is responsible but only solution to find it, it steady uninstall until problem goes away. Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? I hate C style languages but VS C# is very productive, stable platform. Feels like Delphi, has the features like unicode and object inspectors that falls on deaf ears at Borland etc. My vast component base keeps small fast projects in Delphi, but for major or long term work, its becoming too risky. Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? Web apps are fact of life despite being horribly painful to write and use. However, none of this happening on windows platform so delphi not even an issue. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
I wish there is lord of the ring existing in the programming language to rule them all ;-). But it just like normal life, no one tool will suit anything. Just get used to using multiple tools should be fine. For normal windows application, I think Delphi is great. For Linux platform, wrote in C/C++ in KDevelope is not that hard. Just my 2 nz cents ;-) Have a nice day Regards Leigh www.smootharm.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 11:47 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead? What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Delphi stability is major nuisance - massive crashes on exit; Every second or third time you press Run, I get AV. If reset and press Run again, then this go normally. Advice is that a 3rd party component is responsible but only solution to find it, it steady uninstall until problem goes away. Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? I hate C style languages but VS C# is very productive, stable platform. Feels like Delphi, has the features like unicode and object inspectors that falls on deaf ears at Borland etc. My vast component base keeps small fast projects in Delphi, but for major or long term work, its becoming too risky. Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? Web apps are fact of life despite being horribly painful to write and use. However, none of this happening on windows platform so delphi not even an issue. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
I think I've said before, but my team at Trimble is still busy using Delphi 2006 for the current release of our product, will probably be moving to Delphi 2007 for the next release, and ultimately see a lot of our code migrating to being compiled (as Delphi.NET code) into becoming part of a larger app where the framework for that app is written by another team in C#. Still very much Windows based, quite heavily graphics oriented, with DCOM, etc thrown in for good measure currently. I don't see why there should be particular issues with 3rd party support. It's always made sense to acquire source for any 3rd party libraries one uses anyway. Cheers, Conor From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary T. Benner Just got this in the Firebird Yahoo Groups List. When I get a snap ( as in the card game ) I start to wonder. What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? kr gary Firebird List message: I was wondering if anyone knows what percentage of applications thatuse Firebird are written in Delphi?I ask because I think Delphi's general usage is already shrinking andI feel like it is only going to continue to do so. If Delphi doescontinue to shrink I was wondering what effect that will have onFirebird's growth.I work on a large system with millions of lines of Delphi code so weneed to consider where things will be in 3 to 5 years from now whichis why I am interested. We already are having a lot of problemsgetting support for some Delphi code we have purchased from 3rd parties. At 10:53 on 24/07/2008 you wrote Dont worry about the offtopic thing, other than this Delphi is dead isn't it? N ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
Hi, I have used Delphi 5, 6 and 7 and little bit Delphi 2006. We have most of our bankign application written in Delphi. It is no doubt VS C# is great but has disadvantage too in slowness. We developed the same application in C# not web based though win32 based exact replica of delphi based applciation. But was distasfied with the performance of C# . It is very slow as compared to delphi applicaton. there is no doubt VS is good in web based , But recent version of delphi unstabilty is really a major concern. I not sure if Borland developers are really worrying about it. I think borland are not even concern of the errors. My company was planign to buy 2007. But cancelled it due to lot of complains from it. i Still feel delphi is best tool and looking forward to work on it for long. Vikas Solution consultant NCR coorporation On 7/24/08, Conor Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I've said before, but my team at Trimble is still busy using Delphi 2006 for the current release of our product, will probably be moving to Delphi 2007 for the next release, and ultimately see a lot of our code migrating to being compiled (as Delphi.NET code) into becoming part of a larger app where the framework for that app is written by another team in C#. Still very much Windows based, quite heavily graphics oriented, with DCOM, etc thrown in for good measure currently. I don't see why there should be particular issues with 3rd party support. It's always made sense to acquire source for any 3rd party libraries one uses anyway. Cheers, Conor -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Gary T. Benner Just got this in the Firebird Yahoo Groups List. When I get a snap ( as in the card game ) I start to wonder. What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? kr gary Firebird List message: I was wondering if anyone knows what percentage of applications thatuse Firebird are written in Delphi?I ask because I think Delphi's general usage is already shrinking andI feel like it is only going to continue to do so. If Delphi doescontinue to shrink I was wondering what effect that will have onFirebird's growth.I work on a large system with millions of lines of Delphi code so weneed to consider where things will be in 3 to 5 years from now whichis why I am interested. We already are having a lot of problemsgetting support for some Delphi code we have purchased from 3rd parties. A*t 10:53 on 24/07/2008 you wrote * Dont worry about the offtopic thing, other than this Delphi is dead isn't it? N ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -- vikas ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
I think it's fairly safe to assume that Borland developers are not worrying about it at all. Embarcadero's developers might be. ;-) http://www.embarcadero.com/news/press_releases/acquisition_codegear.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vikas... Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 4:13 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead? Hi, I have used Delphi 5, 6 and 7 and little bit Delphi 2006. We have most of our bankign application written in Delphi. It is no doubt VS C# is great but has disadvantage too in slowness. We developed the same application in C# not web based though win32 based exact replica of delphi based applciation. But was distasfied with the performance of C# . It is very slow as compared to delphi applicaton. there is no doubt VS is good in web based , But recent version of delphi unstabilty is really a major concern. I not sure if Borland developers are really worrying about it. I think borland are not even concern of the errors. My company was planign to buy 2007. But cancelled it due to lot of complains from it. i Still feel delphi is best tool and looking forward to work on it for long. Vikas Solution consultant NCR coorporation On 7/24/08, Conor Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I've said before, but my team at Trimble is still busy using Delphi 2006 for the current release of our product, will probably be moving to Delphi 2007 for the next release, and ultimately see a lot of our code migrating to being compiled (as Delphi.NET code) into becoming part of a larger app where the framework for that app is written by another team in C#. Still very much Windows based, quite heavily graphics oriented, with DCOM, etc thrown in for good measure currently. I don't see why there should be particular issues with 3rd party support. It's always made sense to acquire source for any 3rd party libraries one uses anyway. Cheers, Conor From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary T. Benner Just got this in the Firebird Yahoo Groups List. When I get a snap ( as in the card game ) I start to wonder. What are the issues people are finding now? ( see some below ) Are people writing in other languages for new projects, and using delphi in just maintenance? Are people ( like me ) writing apps in the Web platform now as opposed to the Windows PC platform? kr gary Firebird List message: I was wondering if anyone knows what percentage of applications thatuse Firebird are written in Delphi?I ask because I think Delphi's general usage is already shrinking andI feel like it is only going to continue to do so. If Delphi doescontinue to shrink I was wondering what effect that will have onFirebird's growth.I work on a large system with millions of lines of Delphi code so weneed to consider where things will be in 3 to 5 years from now whichis why I am interested. We already are having a lot of problemsgetting support for some Delphi code we have purchased from 3rd parties. At 10:53 on 24/07/2008 you wrote Dont worry about the offtopic thing, other than this Delphi is dead isn't it? N ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -- vikas ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead?
I have heard a lot of complaints regarding later versions of Delphi. Let me assure you that EVERY language has problems. I still use Delphi 7 at home and in my last job I used Delphi 2007 and was very happy with it. Even Delphi 7 has some minor problems that we forget are there due to the fact that we all know them and work around them. I've been looking at several different languages and recently spoke of languages in my blog at http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/ I have stated several times in my various blog posts that I have been involved in many varied software development projects using many languages and development environments. I can tell you from experience that 3 to 4 good Delphi developers can totally outperform 30 to 40 Java developers on a similar sized project by a factor of several months. However, I also note that the demise of Delphi over a period where, (in http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/2007/07/delphipascal-through-ages.html), I noted that ...companies left Borland, and as Borland lost interest in Delphi. I'd also be interested to know of new developments being made using Delphi. I know of a development shop on the North Shore using Delphi. Any others? Here, at the place I work as Development Manager, we all wear the official Oracle Robes and suggesting Delphi as a language would cause mass hypertension and fainting. We are currently looking at a new development environment here (was Oracle Forms) and are seriously looking at either: Oracle's JDeveloper; Ruby on Rails (not Oracle, but operating against an Oracle database where most of the application coding is done); or a .NET language like C#. We're very impressed so far with Ruby on Rails for sheer productivity, but the jury is still out. Steve Peacocke Software Development Manager InSoft. 0274 100-122 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
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D2007 is much more reliable than D2006. Does not leak as much memory, and is much faster. Given a choice D2007 is far superior to D2006, and D7 IMO. Myles. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 4:59 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Email Files - is delphi dead? I have heard a lot of complaints regarding later versions of Delphi. Let me assure you that EVERY language has problems. I still use Delphi 7 at home and in my last job I used Delphi 2007 and was very happy with it. Even Delphi 7 has some minor problems that we forget are there due to the fact that we all know them and work around them. I've been looking at several different languages and recently spoke of languages in my blog at http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/ I have stated several times in my various blog posts that I have been involved in many varied software development projects using many languages and development environments. I can tell you from experience that 3 to 4 good Delphi developers can totally outperform 30 to 40 Java developers on a similar sized project by a factor of several months. However, I also note that the demise of Delphi over a period where, (in http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/2007/07/delphipascal-through-ages.html ), I noted that ...companies left Borland, and as Borland lost interest in Delphi. I'd also be interested to know of new developments being made using Delphi. I know of a development shop on the North Shore using Delphi. Any others? Here, at the place I work as Development Manager, we all wear the official Oracle Robes and suggesting Delphi as a language would cause mass hypertension and fainting. We are currently looking at a new development environment here (was Oracle Forms) and are seriously looking at either: Oracle's JDeveloper; Ruby on Rails (not Oracle, but operating against an Oracle database where most of the application coding is done); or a .NET language like C#. We're very impressed so far with Ruby on Rails for sheer productivity, but the jury is still out. Steve Peacocke Software Development Manager InSoft. 0274 100-122 Attention: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not use, disclose, copy or distribute it, other than to return it to us with your confirmation that it has been deleted from your system. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
