RE : Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

[sophie]

Hivall

 Message d'origine 
De : Bjoern Michaelsen  
Date : 12/10/2018  22:05  (GMT+01:00) 
À : "Maarten Brouwers (murb)"  
Cc : Miguel Ángel Ríos Vázquez , 
design@global.libreoffice.org 
Objet : Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate:
  Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org 

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 06:18:24PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote:
> From what I can see now: adapting ask.libreoffice.org
>  requires way more effort to turn it into a
> proper extension-site than either adapting the current extensions-site or
> adopting an existing solution of another project

I dont think we should speculate on this too much without giving it a try.
Given the things missing on the extension site (OAuth Logins etc., user
feedback on content) its still a long way to go. FWIW, as noted, the AskBot
site is already capable to host templates, and allows some of the things
missing on the current extension site.
Ask also handles localization of the UI and the content, what we miss for a 
long time to get international community to contribute and help.
I don't care the tool as long as it serves the whole community and I don't 
think it's a technical problem either.I also would like to thank Andreas for 
his work and dedication to the project, it has been an awesome contribution, we 
won't be discussing without it.CheersSophie
-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [libreoffice-design] Terminology modifications to Paste Special format

[Sophie]

Hi Heiko,

Le 07/04/2018 à 11:18, Heiko Tietze a écrit :
> Okay, so let's go with the simple solution of just the format name without 
> further explanation.
> 
> * Unformatted text -> Unformatted text
> * Bitmap -> Bitmap Image (BMP)
> * Drawing format -> %PRODUCTNAME drawing format
> * DDE link -> Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE link)
> * DIF -> Data Interchange Format (DIF)
> * GDI metafile -> Graphics Device Interface (GDI)
> * Formatted text [RTF] -> Rich text formatting (RTF) 
> * Formatted text [Richtext] -> Rich text formatting (Richtext) 
> * HTML (HyperText Markup Language) -> HyperText Markup Language (HTML) 
> * HTML format -> Stripped HyperText Markup Language (Simple HTM) (Or 
> "Stripped HTML" if this string is too long)

yes, the string will be too long, as HTML is a know acronym, I think
"Stripped HTML is ok.

> * PNG Bitmap -> Portable Network Graphic (PNG)
> * calc8" -> "%PRODUCTNAME %PRODUCTVERSION Spreadsheet" (without Calc8 short 
> name)

Thanks for this,
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Call for papers for LibOCon Roma

[Sophie]

Hi all,

For information, the call for papers for LibreOffice Conference in Roma
has been published, you'll find it either on the blog or on the
conference site:
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2017/call-for-papers-3/

Let me know if you have any question.

Kind regards
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: [] Unit #127283524 (de)

[Sophie]

Hi Thomas,
Le 22/04/2017 à 13:39, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
> Username: anonymous user Current URL: IP address: User-Agent:
> 
> Unit:
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_ui/translate/sd/uiconfig/simpress/ui.po#unit=127283524
>
>  Source: Counter-clockwise
> 
> Current translation:
> 
> Your question or comment:
> 
> Is it really written that way? I thought it should be written
> "counterclockwise" in American English (see e.g.
> http://www.dict.cc/?s=counterclockwise). My installed ding
> (electronic dictionary, see
> https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~fri/ding/) shows "counter-clockwise"
> as a mathematical expression. Would someone be so kind to explain, in
> which context it is meant here, please?

The context seems to be the rotation menu in Impress or Draw, rotation
to be applied to an object. I transfer your mail to the design list,
because I don't know if the English writing is ok or not.
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Branding for LibreOffice 6.0

[Sophie]

Hi all,
Le 21/03/2017 à 01:58, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos a écrit :
> I’d like for this occasion that people don’t put a huge stupid digit in
> place of our logo (why the heck did we put such an emphasis on a
> stupid-looking “5”?)

Hey, that's a way to mark a number 5 version (something special like the
Chanel perfume ;-) What I would like to emphasize through your mail is
that we should think to something really international and don't have
something that doesn't respect each writing system or is easy to adapt
if it looks impossible.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Want to develop libreoffice

[Sophie]

Hi Thongya,
Le 30/11/2016 à 12:07, Thongya Murong a écrit :
> Dear
> 
> I am student and want to develop libreoffice with volunteer. I have
> already learn c++, java and python. Now interest to work your team. I
> am also build libreoffice source code then how to edit starting code.
> I need help and code documentation. Please help me.


Welcome to our project! You should first subscribe to the development
list and come on IRC and meet the developers there, see how to join here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/community/developers/
Once on the list, Jan Iversen will help you in the first steps with the
code. Let me know if you need further help to join the developers.
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Some empty spaces in Notebookbar in Pootle - where to find them in master?

[Sophie]

Hi Jay,
Le 22/11/2016 à 16:40, Yousuf Philips a écrit :
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Those two blank spaces are present in the contextual grouped notebookbar
> (aka heikobar) to get around not showing the label with the increase and
> decrease font size buttons. I've set them as non-translatable with the
> below patch.
> 
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/31079
Great, thanks :)
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Content for the next Annual Report

[Sophie]

Hi all,

The next annual report will be soon at the door again, we need to feed
it and believe me, it is greedy :-)

So please fill the pad with your activities since the beginning of the
year, it is really a great help for us in order to build a shiny and
exhaustive report that represents all the parts of the community and the
project achievements.
Thanks a lot in advance for your help and your time :)

Pad: http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport


Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Template for presentations in Brno

[Sophie]

Hi all,

So the call for papers is open and we will need a template for the
presentation in Brno. Who would like to make proposals? If you need the
logo in .svg, let me know I'll ask it to the local team.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Fwd: [libreoffice-design] 2016 budget proposals

[Sophie]

Hi all,

I would like to remind you about the budget proposal Florian has made
some time ago, the deadline is approaching, so please don't miss it :)
Cheers
Sophie

 Message transféré 
Sujet : [libreoffice-design] 2016 budget proposals
Date : Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:05:16 +0100
De : Florian Effenberger <flo...@documentfoundation.org>
Organisation : The Document Foundation
Pour : design@global.libreoffice.org

Dear community,

the year 2015 is over, and we have achieved a lot of exciting things,
thanks to your amazing work, dedication, passion and support - thank you
so much for being part of our community and working with us on the joint
goal of fostering LibreOffice!

In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a
better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now,
with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:

1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)

The idea is to have a good plan for 2016 already now, while keeping the
administrative overhead low, and have two authorizers (one of them being
a board member or deputy, the other one from the wider community)
responsible for each budget, which means getting receipts, approving and
tracking expenses, and clarifying questions with Florian or Sophie.

To get a better understanding of your needs, we ask you to send us your
budget requests within *three weeks* from this e-mail, i.e. by
2016-03-02 to flo...@documentfoundation.org

While I monitor some of the lists, please always send your
proposals/requests *directly* to me so they are not lost!

Please let us know your requests for funds *alongside* some items you
envision to be paid from these funds. The items are not binding, the
spending in the end is the responsibility of the authorizers, but some
examples help the board in getting a better understanding of the funds
required to best match your needs. If possible, please also mention the
amount of travel costs associated. We'll factor in some margin, but
concrete numbers and ideas are very much welcome to have a plan for 2016.

As a sample, a request could look like this:

##
We'd like to request a 2016 budget of
1000 € for community events
500 € for infrastructure
1500 € for marketing

Expenses we envision are
1. marketing: attendance at XYZ trade show to show LibreOffice to ABC
user group (700 € booth costs, 300 € for collaterals and 500 € of
travel, totalling to 1500 €),
2. community: a community weekend to discuss tasks and ideas (600 €
hotel, 100 € for snacks and 300 € travel, totalling to 1000 €),
3. infrastructure: dedicated server to QA localized versions (500 €)
##

Alongside that, we will also provide some mechanism in Redmine for
approvals and tracking of expenses, and will follow-up with details on
this later on.

Thanks again for all your work, and looking forward to your proposals!

Florian

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems?
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
deleted



-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] UI changes documentation

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Just to inform you that the work on the changes in
menus/toolbars/contextual menus in French is going on on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Comparaison_des_menus_entre_LO_4.4.7.2_et_LO_5.1.0.2/fr
The team will add screenshots when necessary
I'll translate it after FOSDEM, but if some of you speak French and want
to begin, no problem :)
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Development of new LibreOffice Extensions and Templates Website - Current Status

[Sophie]

Hi Andreas,
Le 24/01/2016 17:21, Andreas Mantke a écrit :
> Hello Heiko,
> 
> Am 24.01.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
>> On Sunday, 24 January 2016 11:42:44 CET Andreas Mantke wrote:
>>> although we cannot force people to test, we need some tests from
>>> possible contributors and not from migration professionals first. We
>>> need to know, if there is nothing wrong in the work flow from a users
>>> perspective and if there are no (minor) bugs.
>> What specifically do you want to know? I guess you have tested well that 
>> registration works, if stuff can get uploaded etc. I see some UX confusions 
>> but those are likely to be solved during the migration. In other words, as a 
>> non-contributor in this field I feel overwhelmed by the amount of functions.
> 
> I tested the add-on myself, but that's not the same as a test with the
> eyes and the work flow of a non-developer (of this add-on). Thus I think
> fresh and independent eyes would be of great help.
> 
> About the UX issues: maybe you could draft a list and we could discuss
> and could sort them out. I think that would be a necessary step before
> the web-designer starts working.

I went to the site and here is my feedback:
- on the Home page, only English is listed, will the other available
languages be listed here?
- it is said "A place to upload your extensions" but most of the users
will want to download them
- then I clicked on Extensions, there is only one available for the tests?
- Clicking on Danger signs, there is a mix of languages listed at the
top but if you don't read English, there is no way to head here on the
previous pages.
- If there is more that 10 languages, you have to scroll down a long way
before you arrive to the download part, much too long, isn't it possible
to have a direct link to download?
- once clicked on the version to download, another page open, which is
very long for just one extension, you should be able to download from
the top of the previous page.

Here is a first feedback, if you need me to upload an extension, let me
know.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Laurent,

[ top posting by design ]
And then what is the piece you bring to the impress mode toolbar analysis?
Kind regards
Sophie
Le 22 janv. 2016 20:00, "Laurent Lyaudet" <laurent.lyau...@gmail.com> a
écrit :

> Hi,
>
> I don't buy the argument "Go to the design hangouts if you have something
> to say or else shut up".
> This sounds like TyrannyOffice more than LibreOffice.
> No schedule for a world project can make it possible that all the people
> that want to participate can effectively participate in the design hangouts.
> Design mailing list is Libre, the design hangouts give all the powers to a
> smaller set of persons.
> It doesn't matter that they are benevolent and have a lot of good will.
> They must accept feedback from the mailing list and from users.
>
> I agree that complaints from users should be polite but we must accept the
> verdict when we fail to do something good.
> Nobody is perfect.
> I also know that feedback is unfair since people are much more motivated
> to give their feedback when they are unhappy.
> That's how the world works most of the time.
> Detaching yourself of the imperfections of the world is part of becoming
> adult
> (maybe "detaching yourself" is too strong, I tried to translate "prendre
> du recul".
>  It applies both to the people that gives the feedback and the people that
> recieves the feedback).
>
> Best regards,
>   Laurent
>
>
> Le 22/01/2016 15:38, Pedro Rosmaninho a écrit :
>
>> I recall seeing those discussions in the design Hangouts minutes. I
>> haven't
>> participated in them.
>>
>> <> discussion was started about migrating search in sidebar, and more
>> important, thinking about modifying the behavior of sidebar !
>>
>> AFAIK, there was no announcement, we have no idea of any schedule (time to
>> discuss, time to make proposals, time to evaluate them, expected time of
>> coding...)
>> How can people participate without a minimum of schedule ?>>
>>
>> Ok, I'll let in on a little known thing: the *Hangouts have a defined
>> schedule*
>> And actually here's the thing:
>>
>> 1. people make proposals in the Hangout meetings,
>> 2. people discuss proposals in the Hangout meetings
>> 3. They evaluate proposals in the Hangout meetings!!!.
>>
>> It's not like people are meeting in a dark basement plotting on ways to do
>> UI work without informing the users.* If you want to make proposals,
>> discuss proposal, evaluate them and participate in the development then
>> SHOW UP IN THE DESIGN HANGOUTS MEETINGS!!!* I accompany this mailing list
>> for years and since UI development picked up pace in the last year and a
>> half the devs were tireless in trying to atract new people.
>>
>> As for that Sidebar proposal they started discussing that in that Hangout
>> meeting and it will evolve along time. The discussion about what to do
>> with
>> the Sidebar has been ongoing since it was introduced in LO. If you don't
>> know that what the hell do you want?
>> To fill the design process with so much red tape and impediments that the
>> UI is basically frozen for all eternity just because you didn't like one
>> change that was done?
>> About a feature that is going to be re-evaluated because some lazy people
>> decided to shout loud about it after the code freeze instead of providing
>> feedback early enough in the multitude of opportunities they had???
>>
>> As for the rudeness of the feedback of real world users. If they passed
>> that feedback to you like why didn't you or Italo *simply filtered and
>> presented that feedback in a polite manner*?
>> Do you also feel the need to be rude to people that are working their
>> asses
>> off just because someone vented their frustration to you in a non-polite
>> manner?
>>
>> If you dislike the work done in they UI then show up in the design
>> Hangouts
>> and start proposing differnt things, collaborate with who does the work,
>> try to influence their views positively and maybe submit your code or
>> alternatives. Shouting at them for doing their work is not the way.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Michel RENON <re...@mr-consultant.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Le 15/01/2016 19:28, Pedro Rosmaninho a écrit :
>>>
>>> Michel, you can't complain that people are using links not posted in a
>>>> tdf/libreoffice website and then talk about feedback in a blog of
>>>> someone else. Why didn't that person provide feedback to the design
>>>>

Re: [libreoffice-design] Blogpost about menu changes

[Sophie]

Hi all,
Le 18/01/2016 16:04, Cor Nouws a écrit :
> Dear Heiko,
> 
> Heiko Tietze wrote on 18-01-16 15:30:
> 
>> [...] Since we speak with one voice I'd like to ask you to
>> proof-read, comment, and improve the draft.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QBHc3Kq7iXwfodNTjj1-DPujpr2WTZKwRvtOgrWqZJ0/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Thanks a lot for putting this together!
> I've added some remarks in the document.
> All in all a great overview of the work and intentions and result.
> Though I'm not happy with every detail of the work: very nice :)
> 
> I've read of people wishing there is a OLD<>NEW overview for the various
> modules, so I hope to see that somewhere / sometimes too.

So to keep you update, a member of the FR team will work on this
comparison on the wiki and I'll do the translation as it goes. This then
could be linked to the FAQ and serve as a reference for the help files
modification.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Blogpost about menu changes

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 18/01/2016 16:04, Cor Nouws a écrit :
> Dear Heiko,
> 
> Heiko Tietze wrote on 18-01-16 15:30:
> 
>> [...] Since we speak with one voice I'd like to ask you to
>> proof-read, comment, and improve the draft.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QBHc3Kq7iXwfodNTjj1-DPujpr2WTZKwRvtOgrWqZJ0/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Thanks a lot for putting this together!
> I've added some remarks in the document.
> All in all a great overview of the work and intentions and result.
> Though I'm not happy with every detail of the work: very nice :)

Yes, thanks a lot, I'm sure that communication of this kind will help a
lot to disseminate the reasoning behind the changes.
> 
> I've read of people wishing there is a OLD<>NEW overview for the various
> modules, so I hope to see that somewhere / sometimes too.

I'll try to find some volunteers in the FR community to do that, even in
French, it should be easy and quick to translate once done. I'll keep
you updated

Cheers
Sophie


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

[Sophie]

Le 14/01/2016 10:48, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
> On 14/01/16 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
> 
>> If you are ok with that, I'll prepare a patch to show the tab bar by default.
> 
> Sorry, it's not "me" being OK with the solution, "users" should be OK
> with the solution (and users have not been asked at all: the fact that
> is all documented on GitHub or in other esotheric places that users do
> not access - users are not developers - is a gigantic bullshit).
> 
> Michael's solution is a nice one (of course, this is a gut feeling, as
> this is only a mockup), but I suppose it is too late to implement it for
> LibreOffice 5.1, and test it appropriately.
> 
> So, showing the Mode Tab Bar by default, showing the Mode Tab Bar Switch
> icon by default, and moving both icons in a better place in the toolbar
> (at the moment, it is not clear at all how to switch from on view to the
> other, and at first I thought that the bar had disappeared because of a
> regression) are probably feasible for LibreOffice 5.1.
> 
> Maybe, a better place is close to the Format Page/Slide & Slide Master
> icons, as the operations are rather similar. The actual position, in
> between Undo/Redo and Find & Replace, is just insane (and no one is able
> to find it: tested on over 30 people, all trainers).

I agree with you that moving the icon elsewhere in the toolbar is the
only possible thing for the moment, we are in hard code freeze period,
so no possibility to change more than this.
When working on a slide desk last week, I didn't found it difficult to
switch in the View menu, what annoy me is that the choice is not retained.
That said, there is again a communication issue concerning those
important changes. We should work to document those changes more
prominently than in the releases notes or git and have these
documentations ready for the alpha/beta stage so this can be
communicated via several channels before the hard code freeze.
Would it be possible to discuss this during the next meeting?
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

[Sophie]

Hi Italo, all
Le 14/01/2016 11:08, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
> On 14/01/16 10:59, Sophie wrote:
> 
>> When working on a slide desk last week, I didn't found it difficult to
>> switch in the View menu, what annoy me is that the choice is not retained.
> 
> I cannot consider myself as a normal user, so the fact that I am able to
> switch without issues (once I have found how to switch) does not mean
> that basic users will be able to do the same.
> 
> I am working as an Impress trainer for migrations in Italy, so I know
> rather well basic Impress users, and I know the disasters basic users
> can generate without even realizing that they are doing it wrong.
> 
> I am especially worried by basic users. Impress is not the best piece of
> software around for the habits of basic users switching from MS
> PowerPoint, and making it worse is not the right solution.

Well, you know I agree with you :) But I also trust the design team and
they are doing a not so easy and hard work, both in term of design and
in term of changing user habits.
> 
>> Would it be possible to discuss this during the next meeting?
> 
> I am happy to be in the meeting, and to contribute to a solution to
> improve Impress UI.

I was more thinking about a communication workflow discussion than the
usual UI moves. There is a lot of pressure on the design team that I
would like to help to appease and I think communication is part of that
pressure.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: "Print in reverse page order" option in Writer print dialog

[Sophie]

Hi Stuart,
Le 16/12/2015 18:26, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> 
> Well, most laser printers I've used deliver the print job face down so the 
> page order it correct when you pick up the stack.
> 
> 
> Reverse order by default, would mean folks would have to uncheck it--or deal 
> with sorting their print outs.

It seems ours don't do that and we have to sort the print outs each time
because we forget to check the option.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: "Print in reverse page order" option in Writer print dialog

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 17/12/2015 12:16, Cor Nouws a écrit :
> V Stuart Foote wrote on 16-12-15 20:34:
> 
>> IMHO the default of unchecked as things are now probably is correct for
>> printing done by more users.
> 
> My old printer didn't need the setting.
> My new does.
> So store the setting with printer preferences looks most sensible?

Both HP and Lexmark printers around me need the setting, sad that there
is no standard in the print order ;-)

Cheers
Sophie
> 
> 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] "Print in reverse page order" option in Writer print dialog

[Sophie]

Hi,

Before I fill an enhancement request, is there any special reason, in
the Writer print dialog, to have "Print in reverse page order" not
checked per default?
Thanks in advance :)
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Annual report reminder, participate now!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

This is a reminder that we will very soon begin to work on the annual
report. If you have not done so yet, please fill the pad with any
information that is relevant to the report and the community activities.
Last year we had a very nice and interesting one, it was all due to your
help in writing it, we hope to have even more to compile this year :)
Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Accelerators duplicates in en_US version

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Niklas from the l10n team has done some macros to check accelerators and
search for their duplicates in menu/submenus.
I ran it on the en_US version and thought you'd be interested by the
result, maybe to fix the red lines :)
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Accelerators duplicates in en_US version

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 07/10/2015 14:55, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> Sophie píše v St 07. 10. 2015 v 12:24 +0200:
> 
>> Niklas from the l10n team has done some macros to check accelerators and
>> search for their duplicates in menu/submenus.
>> I ran it on the en_US version and thought you'd be interested by the
>> result, maybe to fix the red lines :)
> 
> Where it is, please? :-)  Sounds like a good candidate for an Easy Hack?

It seems the list has eaten the .odt file, will post it to the wiki
later today.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Accelerators duplicates in en_US version

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy, all,
Le 07/10/2015 14:55, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> Sophie píše v St 07. 10. 2015 v 12:24 +0200:
> 
>> Niklas from the l10n team has done some macros to check accelerators and
>> search for their duplicates in menu/submenus.
>> I ran it on the en_US version and thought you'd be interested by the
>> result, maybe to fix the red lines :)
> 
> Where it is, please? :-)  Sounds like a good candidate for an Easy Hack?

As you wanted to make a Easy Hack of it, I open a bug (at least that's
what accelerator duplicates are ;-)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94865

Cheers
Sophie


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] The annual report needs you!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

This is this time of the year where we need to complete the annual
report. Please, take the time to write some lines about your own
achievements, project and/or those of your project, community.
We need to have an impressive annual report again and it's only because
of you that it will reflect our vibrant community :)

So, stop everything else and start writing here:
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport
You can add parts, subtitle, projects, anything you see that will be
important for this report.

Big thank you in advance!
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] If you attend LiboCon in Aarhus, please register now!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

If you plan to attend the conference, please register on the site here:
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/registration/
We need it for security reasons, but also that will help a lot the local
organization of the different days and events.

You will then be subscribed to the conference@ mailing list and won't
miss any important information hat we will publish there.

Thanks a lot in advance :)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Registration for the conference is open!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Registration for the conference is now open! Please do register if you
plan to attend, it will help a lot the organization team.
Registration page:
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/registration/
General announcement:
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/02/registration-for-the-libreoffice-conference-is-now-open/
Thanks in advance :)
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Call for papers: send your proposals!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

This is a reminder that the call for papers is still running. Please
share your knowledge, achievements, ideas with the community, we are
very interested to hear you!
You have the choice between a presentation of 45 mn or one of 20 mn
including questions and answers.
You'll find all the details here:
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/
Don't hesitate to come back to me if you have any question or need help
with your travel and accommodations.
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving Impress' UX

[Sophie]

Hi,

Jumping in the conversation:
Le 11/06/2015 10:28, Michel RENON a écrit :
[...]

 
 Wikipedia worked on a new editor [1] : any chances to use it in TDF wiki ?

Dennis is currently working on its implementation to our wiki
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

[Sophie]

Hi Jay,
Le 10/06/2015 14:20, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 On 06/08/2015 12:02 PM, Sophie wrote:
 Hi Jay,
 Le 07/06/2015 19:07, Jay Philips a écrit :
 [...]

 Would 'Exchange Database' be more suitable in the Tools menu next to
 'Bibliography Database'?

 Why, you're not working on the database, but editing the link to the
 database.
 
 So editing the data in the database makes it suitable for 'Bibliography
 Database' to be under Tools but editing the link to the database
 shouldnt be considered suitable for it to be under Tools. Bibliography
 Database is the tool and all things related to that tool should be under
 Tools, similarly Macros is a tool and running, assigning, editing, etc
 of macros is located under tools. We dont have a Edit  Macros entry.

It's not only for Bibliography, but for all the databases registered
under LO. An example, I've one template designed for a mailing for
different sets of clients, those clients are in two different databases
registered under LO. Once my first mailing done on the first database, I
edit the link between the template and the database to chose the second
database under Edit  Exchange database.
There is no actions on the database, the action is between the template
and the database or on the template because it keeps the link to the
database.

 
 I'm assuming he meant Insert  Hyperlink and Edit  Hyperlink, which do
 use the same dialog. :D

 So to edit an hyperlink you chose the insert menu?
 
 To edit a hyperlink, I would use the context menu or click the Hyperlink
 entry in the toolbar, as the Hyperlink dialog box is multi-purpose.

And if you don't know about context menu (like most of our new users)
and don't use toolbar, will you chose Insert as main menu to edit the
hyperlink?
 
 Stats for Edit  Hyperlink (.uno:EditHyperlink) :-
 Context Menu : 90%
 Menu Bar : 10%
 Note: There isnt any means to know how many users clicked the
 'Hyperlink' button (.uno:HyperlinkDialog) to edit a hyperlink.
 
 Not very commonly used according to the stats, which likely means its
 commonly used only by experienced/advanced users (aka Eve). The stats
 have Insert  Image  From File as the highest used entry in the menu
 and its submenus and Insert  Section as one of the lowest in the first
 level. Even behind Insert  Envelope and Insert  File. (the namings
 given here are according to LO 4.3)

 which is wrong, but no time to discuss that
 
 Which part is wrong? That it is one of the least used entries in the
 insert menu, that it is less used that inserting an image, that it isnt
 used by average users.
 
 Section isnt a common feature found in documents, as its not even a
 common feature found in word processors. I would presume that if we
 analysed all the documents on bugzilla, that sections would likely be in
 less that 1% of them. As a simple example, the Writer user guide has
 tables, frames, images, bookmarks, hyperlinks, and indexes, but no
 sections.

So the migrations I've made may have been with wrong users as they rely
on sections first to insert a page (Word usage) but when made aware of
it used them a lot ;)
In general, I find sad to hide things on user's preferences when they
improve the layout and the robustness of the document, same reasoning as
styles vs direct formating.
 
 As HIG says we have to have all of them in the menu, we can only do so
 much. As you said you had to scroll to display them, i checked my laptop
 which is 1280x768 and the insert menu was the longest, but i didnt need
 to scroll according to today's master. It can be reduce by 1 if i move
 Insert  Chart back into Insert  Object.

 Insert and format are too long for my screen
 
 What screen resolution do you have? Both the insert and format menus now
 have 25 entries in it. In 4.3, before the menus began changing, the
 insert menu had 23 entries and the format menu had 21 entries.

1366x768 and both are ok in 4.4
 
 There is an absolutely good reason for them. Firstly its defined in the
 HIG that all commands be available in the menus, but secondly you
 previously stated when you train people on software, the first thing
 you tell them is to be curious and to visit the menus if they search for
 something and if these items are not available in the menu, how would a
 user discover useful shortcuts like Ctrl+] for Increase Font Size.

 Who would encourage users to use this command instead of styles?
 
 The use of direct formatting is not in competition with styles, as you
 can create a suitable set of direct formatting options and easily
 convert it into a paragraph style, or set a paragraph style and apply
 direct formatting to it, and then update the style based on the
 additional direct formatting.
 
 The command is a feature of libreoffice and is no different that opening
 the font size combobox to increase or decrease the font, so there isnt a
 need to hide it from the menu bar. The menu bar didnt even have style
 shortcut entries in it until i just added them, so how would

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

[Sophie]

Hi Jay,
Le 07/06/2015 19:07, Jay Philips a écrit :
[...]

 
 * 'Exchange database' doesn't it belongs to bibliography?
 -- no please, do not hide this function that is used a lot doing mail
 merge
 
 Would 'Exchange Database' be more suitable in the Tools menu next to
 'Bibliography Database'?

Why, you're not working on the database, but editing the link to the
database.
 
 * (Insert) Hyperlink and Edit  Link use the same dialog – we could also
 remove it here
 -- the Edit  link dialog doesn't use the same dialog as Insert, it
 allow you to remove links or update them manually, automatically for
 several different objects.
 
 I'm assuming he meant Insert  Hyperlink and Edit  Hyperlink, which do
 use the same dialog. :D

So to edit an hyperlink you chose the insert menu?
 
 Insert (Writer)

 * Section… - never heard about ;-) - and the envelope are something like
 a textbox
 -- this one is very common on text formatting, should be at the top
 
 Not very commonly used according to the stats, which likely means its
 commonly used only by experienced/advanced users (aka Eve). The stats
 have Insert  Image  From File as the highest used entry in the menu
 and its submenus and Insert  Section as one of the lowest in the first
 level. Even behind Insert  Envelope and Insert  File. (the namings
 given here are according to LO 4.3)

which is wrong, but no time to discuss that
 
 * All together I'm a little bit lost here since naming/classification
 the sections is not easy; this menu is too large
 Insert (Calc)
 -- several are too long, need to scroll to display all the items
 
 As HIG says we have to have all of them in the menu, we can only do so
 much. As you said you had to scroll to display them, i checked my laptop
 which is 1280x768 and the insert menu was the longest, but i didnt need
 to scroll according to today's master. It can be reduce by 1 if i move
 Insert  Chart back into Insert  Object.

Insert and format are too long for my screen
 
 Format
 * Looks like a heavy multipurpose menu (I'm looking onto the screenshots
 only) – no idea what's below Text - but is there a difference between
 Number Format and Lists?

 -- there is absolutely no need of them in the menu, plus we don't want
 users to use direct formatting but rely on styles instead
 
 There is an absolutely good reason for them. Firstly its defined in the
 HIG that all commands be available in the menus, but secondly you
 previously stated when you train people on software, the first thing
 you tell them is to be curious and to visit the menus if they search for
 something and if these items are not available in the menu, how would a
 user discover useful shortcuts like Ctrl+] for Increase Font Size. 

Who would encourage users to use this command instead of styles?
The
 menu also has commands that weren't previously easily accessible until i
 added them to the toolbar (e.g. superscript, subscript, line spacing,
 increase/decrease paragraph spacing, etc).

We want the document produced with LibreOffice to be robust with
roundtrip to other format, so please do not encourage users to use
direct formatting, on the contrary we should make them aware of styles
and simplify the process to access them, this is what should be worked
on and where we should put resources and creativity.
 
 We can want users to not use direct formatting, though we present them
 with direct formatting in the toolbar and also in the context menu until
 recently, but it will always be used until styles are presented to users
 in such an easy manner that even a beginner would understand and be
 convinced that it is the only way. We dont even provide an easy means
 for users to select character styles, so if a user wants to make some
 text bold, he will click the bold button in the toolbar over opening the
 styles and formatting dialog, switch to character styles and select
 strong emphasis.

This is exactly where efforts should be put and not to reproduce the
same old wrong behavior.
 
 Will try to find the time to go through more of them.
 
 Look forward to your next round of suggestions, though i had already
 gone through all of Heiko's suggestions with him last wednesday after
 the design meeting. :D

Not sure what does it mean, I'll just check for feature loss then.

More:
Frame is doubled in the Insert menu
Is inserting index something so little used that it should be down in
the menu too?
Clear Direct Formatting should be at the same place in Writer and Calc,
both at the top.

Did you remove entries in Calc menu?

I've seen 'Rulers' reappeared in the menu in a patch yesterday, this
feature has been removed since several versions now because of
compatibility issues, any reason to add it again?

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

[Sophie]

Hi all,
Le 07/06/2015 20:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
 On 07/06/15 19:07, Jay Philips wrote:
 
 The software hasnt changed that dramatically since the OOo stats were
 collected and user behaviour doesnt change that much over time as well.
 I dont exclusively rely on the stats, as i do compare LO with its
 various competitors (MSO, iWork, WPS, WordPerfect, Calligra,
 Abiword/Gnumeric).
 
 Hi Jay, I suppose you are not aware of the internal discussions based on
 those statistics, which were rejected by a large percentage of the
 community, to the point that there was a petition to stop the so
 called Renaissance Project.
 
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=21819
 
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=21338
 
 In Orvieto, at the OOo Conference, there was an rather heated session
 about the statistics, and the entire Renaissance Project, and at the end
 the project was stopped because it was rather clear that the approach -
 top down - was not liked by the community.

Thanks a lot for pointing to this Italo, I've searched the links also
during the week end :). Also some feedback I get from recent inquiries,
but unfortunately was only in French.
 
 The promise, at the time, was to re-start the survey to obtain more
 accurate statistics (I cannot remember the discussion word by word as
 too much time and too many things have gone by). I suppose that some
 objections coming from Sophie reflect those objections from the community.

Yes, I'm on my way to ask the FR community to react on that, mostly
those in real contact with users, doing migrations and training. Not
because we want to rely only on users feedback but also on the
robustness of our document roundtrip and exchanges, and for that, we
know that styles are the common sense to treat them.
 
 Unfortunately, the survey was never re-started because of the Oracle
 acquisition and the subsequent turmoil inside StarDivision and inside
 the community.

That would be a great thing to do a survey now that people are more
aware of the necessity to communicate in different environments.

Jay, I'll answer your details tomorrow, but about direct formatting,
that was one of the most controversial thing to add it to the sidebar so
prominently. Most of the training material available remove the
formating toolbar to make people aware of styles...
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Some comments on the details provided on the issue, don't take them as
criticism but as a long time trainer, here is my feedback with my user
experience on background.

Also, please before making changes to a functionality make sure that you
have the whole knowledge of what it does. I don't want to put all the
comments I have on the issue, so on this special one, Jay a menu entry
is not like a tool bar that you just remove.
Also when you train people on software, the first thing you tell them is
to be curious and to visit the menus if they search for something. I'm
not sure why LibreOffice should be different from others here and make
the learning curve of the functionalities more difficult.
As to rely on OOo stats that were made years ago, I'm not sure it's a
good incent, the software and habits have change a lot since.

File
* perhaps Wizard and Templates without separator as part of the section
above
* Reload and Version downto Properties (places Export closer to Save);
all four items could be moved into a submenu 'Advanced'
-- that would make those usual actions really hidden, and why Advanced?

* Isn't „Save a copy“ similar to „Save as...“?
-- saving with another name when you've made modification is not the
same as to save a copy of the current document

Edit
* Select All always on top of the section (→ writer toolbar)
* Is 'Merge Documents…' really that important to have it on the first level?
-- yes as it's a different feature


* 'Exchange database' doesn't it belongs to bibliography?
-- no please, do not hide this function that is used a lot doing mail merge
* 'Plug in' rather 'Allow to edit plugins' is a toogle item but with the
icon the state is not clear; I'd remove the icon here and make it a
check menu item (cf. View menu); it could be placed next to the edit
mode item
-- this one is rather long in l10n point of view
* Object is disabled but as a container of subitems it shouldn't
-- long term bug
* ImageMap – no idea about the function and camel case; wiki „Allows you
to attach URLs to specific areas, called hotspots, on a graphic or a
group of graphics.„ So why not have a submenu links that contains of
'Hyperlink' (the current Link) plus 'Arealink' (the ImageMap stuff)
-- it's not only hyperlink but opens the ImagMap editor where you draw
areas, hotspots etc.
* (Insert) Hyperlink and Edit  Link use the same dialog – we could also
remove it here
-- the Edit  link dialog doesn't use the same dialog as Insert, it
allow you to remove links or update them manually, automatically for
several different objects.

View

* Table boundaries has a duplicate at Table; remove it here
+1


Insert (Writer)

* Section… - never heard about ;-) - and the envelope are something like
a textbox
-- this one is very common on text formatting, should be at the top
* All together I'm a little bit lost here since naming/classification
the sections is not easy; this menu is too large
Insert (Calc)
-- several are too long, need to scroll to display all the items


Format
* Looks like a heavy multipurpose menu (I'm looking onto the screenshots
only) – no idea what's below Text - but is there a difference between
Number Format and Lists?

-- there is absolutely no need of them in the menu, plus we don't want
users to use direct formatting but rely on styles instead
* I wonder if users do Insert object and Edit or Format it later; As a
working hypothesis, Edit seems to be somehow related to
operations/functions and Format to the content → double check content
-- this is two different actions
* Anchor is an important function that could be supported by an icon
just like for Alignment
+1


Table (Writer)
* Single Table Properties could be moved up to the first section;
otherwise it's kind of a pattern (or could become that) to have access
to the generic property dialog at the menu footer (cf. Edit)
-- that's sad, document properties for example are often accessed when
writing long documents

Will try to find the time to go through more of them.
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Types of action in the changes dialog

[Sophie]

Hi Heiko,
Le 30/04/2015 19:44, Heiko Tietze a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 I neither had the time to test the latest release nor do I know how coding 
 progress is done. But during the analysis we took the type of change into 
 consideration. It is supposed to be shown as a symbol. Read this blog post to 
 learn more: http://user-prompt.com/tracking-changes-with-libreoffice/

They are noted in your blog but not in the implementation, should this
be considered a bug?
Cheers
Sophie
 
 Cheers,
 Heiko.
 
 On Thursday 30 April 2015, 14:55:40 Sophie wrote:
 Hi all,

 In the 5.0 version, the Manage changes dialog is now in the side bar
 which is great :) But we have lost the type of changes made, from what I
 can see, their is only notifications as + or x but if it's a formating
 change for example, there is no mention of it. Is it transitional or
 unexpected or it's elsewhere (it's still in the filter list though) or
 shall I forget about this functionality?

 Cheers
 Sophie
 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Types of action in the changes dialog

[Sophie]

Hi all,

In the 5.0 version, the Manage changes dialog is now in the side bar
which is great :) But we have lost the type of changes made, from what I
can see, their is only notifications as + or x but if it's a formating
change for example, there is no mention of it. Is it transitional or
unexpected or it's elsewhere (it's still in the filter list though) or
shall I forget about this functionality?

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Links to the mockups/comparative analysis

[Sophie]

Hi Jay,
Le 09/04/2015 11:35, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Just to clarify, the link heiko shared was a link within google drive,
 so someone who isnt logged in wouldnt have access through such a link.
 The correct link that is accessible to all without any restrictions is
 below.
 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8usp=sharing

yes, but you can't edit them or work on them, which is not in the spirit
of our project, where we try to provide the sources of all what we do to
our members.
In the same way, there is no license on the documents, so we can only
see them, and have no input on how to reuse them if we want, even for a
presentation on the team's work.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Links to the mockups/comparative analysis

[Sophie]

Hi K-J
Le 08/04/2015 21:58, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 08.04.2015 um 15:56 schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 I was preparing a presentation and wanted to include some of the work
 done by the Design team, specifically the comparative analysis and
 mockups done by the team, to show how the work is done.
 Is there a place where all the links to the available documents are
 stored, if not, could it be possible to have one? I've searched the wiki
 and it's difficult to scroll the list to find them. It's a very good
 example of the collaborative work in the team to show to the world :)
 
 And here is the old school (and formely defined working place):
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
 and:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Archive

Yes, that's where I searched first, I thought all was listed here
 
 This way is readable for everyone and doesn't need a password.

I agree with you, something accessible to everybody without restriction
is what an open source project should offer. I'm not part of the Design
team so I can't judge the necessity of having other tools than what TDF
offers.
 
 For collecting the new LibO 5 design proposals we should not use any
 other than LibO tools.

thanks!
 
 I started last year a discussion for LibO 5.0 in redmine:
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/5

Good, could you lead the topic between the marketing team and the design
team?

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Links to the mockups/comparative analysis

[Sophie]

Hi Heiko,
Le 08/04/2015 16:03, Heiko Tietze a écrit :
 All design sessions are shared on GDrive 
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8
 If you need a particular screenshot and in case you don't have Balsamiq at 
 hand I can export what you want.

ah, great, thanks, that's what I was missing :) and thanks for the
proposal to export, that's ok for the moment.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Links to the mockups/comparative analysis

[Sophie]

Hi all,

I was preparing a presentation and wanted to include some of the work
done by the Design team, specifically the comparative analysis and
mockups done by the team, to show how the work is done.
Is there a place where all the links to the available documents are
stored, if not, could it be possible to have one? I've searched the wiki
and it's difficult to scroll the list to find them. It's a very good
example of the collaborative work in the team to show to the world :)
Thanks in advance
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Presentation template for LibOCon

[Sophie]

Hi K-J,
Le 30/03/2015 20:28, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, all,
 Am 17.03.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 It's time again to prepare the presentation template for the talks for
 the next conference in Aarhus.
 The only request from the local team is to use the conference logo which
 can be found here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference


 The dead line to submit your proposal is March 31st.
 
 So here are my three proposals and the starting point for collecting all
 other proposals:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Presentation_Template#Proposals
 
 
There has been no other submissions than yours. What do you prefer now:
- you choose one of your templates to be the one used
- speaker can choose one of the three at its convenience
- the design team choose one of them

Let me know where your preference goes :)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Presentation template for LibOCon

[Sophie]

Hi K-J
Le 30/03/2015 20:28, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, all,
 Am 17.03.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 It's time again to prepare the presentation template for the talks for
 the next conference in Aarhus.
 The only request from the local team is to use the conference logo which
 can be found here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference


 The dead line to submit your proposal is March 31st.
 
 So here are my three proposals and the starting point for collecting all
 other proposals:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Presentation_Template#Proposals

Thank you so much!
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Comments on tooltips

[Sophie]

Hi all,

I would like to do some comments on this sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YznFkDn91kMH6hoNsXkLzjRxzOJGdF1sqYXhPgPAN18/edit#gid=0

I found that some of the proposal are too long when translated and are
more extended tips, for example:
'Show toolbar with basic shapes'
gives in French
'Afficher la barre d'outils avec les forms de bases'

Would it help if I give some comments in the sheet, like
'Basic shapes toolbar' preferred for l10n? Or maybe it's not important
for tooltips?
Thanks in advance
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Session at 2015-13-06 at 1pm UTC about CMIS integration

[Sophie]

Le 11/03/2015 15:16, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos a écrit :
 Are design minutes being saved in Google documents now?

I agree with Adolfo here, any reason to not use TDF tools (pad, redmine,
wiki...)?
Cheers
Sophie
 
 2015-03-11 3:52 GMT-06:00 Jay Philips ypha...@gmail.com:
 We had a fun design session last friday for the redesign of the Entries
 tab of the Index/Table of Contents dialog, and details of that
 discussion and a new mockup can be found in this google docs document -
 http://bit.ly/1b1wvb3
 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi,
Le 30 janv. 2015 12:25, Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu a écrit :

 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:14:04PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
  On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:06:36AM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:

  Interestingly, doing a web search for pootle git synchronisation
  leads me to http://weblate.org/en/features/ :-)

  Well, once we dont require to be self-hosted anymore,
  https://translations.launchpad.net/ certainly would be an option too.
However,
  IMHO there are very good reasons to be self-hosted with
  translations.

 From glancing at the webpage, Weblate is a software that we can host
 ourselves.

This is something the l10n team has already in his radar. But please,
before changing our tool and our workflow, let's discuss at Fosdem with
Dwayne from the Pootle team what we can achieve.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Rimas, all

Le 27 janv. 2015 19:32, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt a écrit :

 Hi Jan,


 2015.01.26 16:43, Jan Holesovsky rašė:
  Mihovil Stanić píše v Po 26. 01. 2015 v 10:25 +0100:
 
  Cosmetic changes (~ to _ or Status to Status: or ... to … or those
  different quote styles I don't even have on my keyboard) and anything
  similliar - NOT OK if you don't script it for all languages
  Cosmetic changes (Big brown fox - Big Brown Fox) - NOT OK at all,
  change just for en_us, don't change my strings and don't even notify me
  you did it in en_us
  I see 2 problems here:
 
  1) There is no tool that would detect these trivial changes, and would
 act accordingly.
 
 
  Regarding 1) - I thought that Pootle is detecting the trivial changes
  some way, and offering the original translation.  Is it not?  What can
  be done to improve that, so that for translators it is just a matter of
  checking; not a matter of translating?  [Or even what you suggest - that
  it would just update the source strings without touching the
  translations?]

 Pootle does offer the original translation, but the localizer still has
 to approve it.

 Furthermore, Pootle does not apply any automatic changes. If you had
 e.g. Some ~string, and you change it to Some _string, Pootle will
 show the original translation as a hint, but the user will still have to
 port this trivial change to the translation manually.

 Needless to say, sometimes these minor differences avoid being noticed
 by the localizers, which results in errors in the locale (I've seen
 incorrect access key identifiers in the menus at least once).

 However, while you are correct that there is no tool to detect these
 changes, I don't think there has to be. The person who implements the
 change knows better than anyone whether or not it can be automated,
 perhaps they even automated it themselves. For example, I seriously
 doubt that somebody went over all L10n files and changed triple dots to
 ellipses manually, this was most likely a scripted change. Same, or very
 similar, script would have probably worked with all other locales, but I
 guess that person simply didn't think about it.

 Similarly, changes in used quote characters most likely could have been
 isolated and transplanted to locales.

 Adding colons to certain strings only would probably have been slightly
 more difficult, but still scriptable.

 And none of that requires any tool to detect trivial changes... ;)

That's the point of this discussion, thanks Rimas to make it :-)
L10n team can always react, and earlier now, but making the scripting part
of the commit or part of the 'one making the change' is more natural in the
workflow.  In other words, our product is not en_US only.


  2) The texts for translations are updated in big 'code' drops, without
 possibility for translators to affect the process in any way - for
 them it is too late.
 
 
  Regarding 2) - I'm glad that you say that the strings will be now
  getting to Pootle immediately after the code / string changes in master.
  I think it is important that the translators will be able to deal with
  the changes immediately, not several months later, so that they can
  cooperate, and not only react.
 
  In general, I don't think that setting extremely strict rules works,
  unless you have means how to enforce them - like via a commit hook or so
  (and it is extremely unpopular way to do things).
 
  It is always much better to communicate - if you see a developer who
  commits a change that causes you grief, please _do_ tell _him/her_
  immediately, and - if possible - in a friendly way.  I'm sure he/she
  will do much better the next time.
 
  Unfortunately I did not see any signs of notice that this or that change
  was problematic for localization on the development mailing list - were
  there such warnings there?  Like commit XY caused AB - please don't do
  such things, unless we agree how to do that effectively / without pain?
  Or was it impossible so far because the strings in Pootle were not
  synced with master?

 I fully agree with you here, and yes, so far communicating these issues
 was really difficult because these massive changes appeared in front of
 the localizers' eyes way too late in the process.

What we should take care though is to not over complicate the work of l10n
team by relying on this fact. So as I already said, it should be a shared
work and vigilance by the concerned teams.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 26/01/2015 16:40, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v Po 26. 01. 2015 v 16:19 +0100:
 
 Pootle will show you a modified string, even if it doesn't affect your
 translation you will have to validate the string again to have it on a
 translated state. Also we don't all work on Pootle, several of us are
 working off line and Pootle is only a repository for our files.
 
 But the offline files are taken from Pootle too - right?  So if fixes
 are done at the time of uploading to Pootle, everybody gets them -
 correct?

yes, I'll have a meeting with Dwayne (Pootle developer) during Fosdem
and will discuss with him about that.
 
 That's why we were thinking of a en_US version as a real language and
 different from the sources and
 
 But at some stage this will have to apply to the sources - and at that
 time, it will be even worse than now :-(  I'm afraid having en_US as a
 separate language will make the situation worse, not better.

Yes, I'm not sure either
 
  also about scripting changes when
 possible (like the substitution of ~ by _)
 
 Sure - so I think this was something that could have been automatized
 with a trivial script; when this was noticed for the first time, please?
 Pity that it was not brought to the ESC as a problem...

It was brought on the dev list, but when the l10n team discovered it, it
was too late. Cloph has already scripted several changes, but he can't
do it all.
 
 Translators are for most of them non technical people and will not see a
 commit, but only the result on Pootle, sometimes months later.
 
 The months later is the problem, not the non-technicality :-)  It is
 enough to send something happened yesterday - please check what's up;
 similarly to how people are checking the daily builds.

that will be possible now that some of us are translating on master
 
 Also - should we have a 'Localization' recurring topic in the ESC?  Who
 would be the right representative there, please?

 Maybe not as a recurring topic, but something that should be in mind of
 UX team and developers when they commit or check for commits that have a
 huge impact on l10n.
 
 Well - if it's not recurring, it's easy to forget ;-)  Also I think it
 will be more effective to discuss this there - are you able to join this
 Thursday?

Thanks for the invitation and yes, let me know the time and I'll join.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 26/01/2015 15:43, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, Mihovil,
 
 Mihovil Stanić píše v Po 26. 01. 2015 v 10:25 +0100:
 
 Cosmetic changes (~ to _ or Status to Status: or ... to … or those 
 different quote styles I don't even have on my keyboard) and anything 
 similliar - NOT OK if you don't script it for all languages
 Cosmetic changes (Big brown fox - Big Brown Fox) - NOT OK at all, 
 change just for en_us, don't change my strings and don't even notify me 
 you did it in en_us
 
 I see 2 problems here:
 
 1) There is no tool that would detect these trivial changes, and would
act accordingly.
 
 2) The texts for translations are updated in big 'code' drops, without
possibility for translators to affect the process in any way - for
them it is too late.
 
 Regarding 1) - I thought that Pootle is detecting the trivial changes
 some way, and offering the original translation.  Is it not?  What can
 be done to improve that, so that for translators it is just a matter of
 checking; not a matter of translating?  [Or even what you suggest - that
 it would just update the source strings without touching the
 translations?]

Pootle will show you a modified string, even if it doesn't affect your
translation you will have to validate the string again to have it on a
translated state. Also we don't all work on Pootle, several of us are
working off line and Pootle is only a repository for our files.

That's why we were thinking of a en_US version as a real language and
different from the sources and also about scripting changes when
possible (like the substitution of ~ by _)
 
 Regarding 2) - I'm glad that you say that the strings will be now
 getting to Pootle immediately after the code / string changes in master.
 I think it is important that the translators will be able to deal with
 the changes immediately, not several months later, so that they can
 cooperate, and not only react.

yes, that's much better, even if we have to be cautious about the workflow.

 
 In general, I don't think that setting extremely strict rules works,
 unless you have means how to enforce them - like via a commit hook or so
 (and it is extremely unpopular way to do things).
 
 It is always much better to communicate - if you see a developer who
 commits a change that causes you grief, please _do_ tell _him/her_
 immediately, and - if possible - in a friendly way.  I'm sure he/she
 will do much better the next time.

Translators are for most of them non technical people and will not see a
commit, but only the result on Pootle, sometimes months later. In the
same way the developer who is doing tons of changes for en_US is invited
to discuss them with the l10n team :)
 
 Unfortunately I did not see any signs of notice that this or that change
 was problematic for localization on the development mailing list - were
 there such warnings there?  Like commit XY caused AB - please don't do
 such things, unless we agree how to do that effectively / without pain?
 Or was it impossible so far because the strings in Pootle were not
 synced with master?

Yes, I think it was too late and when the l10n team is at work, it's the
rush i.e RC time for developers, so not the best period to discuss hot
topics ;) That's why I've waited to open this discussion.
Also, even if I've discussed as much as possible about l10n on issues
concerning UI changes, it's a lot of work to follow each commit that
could have an effect. Sharing the effort between developers/UX/l10n
teams should be possible. As we follow Gnome HIG, adding it as
pre-requisite for UI changes/adds may prevent to have to rewrite dialogs
for example.
 
 Also - should we have a 'Localization' recurring topic in the ESC?  Who
 would be the right representative there, please?

Maybe not as a recurring topic, but something that should be in mind of
UX team and developers when they commit or check for commits that have a
huge impact on l10n.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie]

Hi,

Resending as there was no answer to the proposals :)
Cheers
Sophie
Le 19/01/2015 11:03, Sophie a écrit :
 Hi all,
 
 [Please follow-up the discussion on projects@ list to keep the history
 of the thread there and ease the discussion, thanks :-)]
 
 I would like to open a discussion about the way developers team, UX team
 and l10n team should interact and work together.
 
 There has been a heavy discussion [see this thread 1] during this round
 of translation. The l10n team was a bit frustrated that there were again
 so many changes in the en_US version that does not concern the l10n
 versions (like adding colon at the end or capitals in the middle of the
 strings).
 
 Each time, it seems part of this could be automated or a reflection
 on how to avoid messing the l10n work should have been introduced before
 those changes are committed. For example, if I decide to change FR
 localization to have sentence capitalization in the menu entries, none
 of the 100 other localizations won't and shouldn't be affected. It
 should be the same for en_US version or if really impossible, try to
 find a solution that lower the impact on all localizations.
 
 None of the l10n teams is against changing or correcting the UI of the
 en_US version and none is against the natural evolution of the suite.
 What is not bearable is when you have 100 000 changes in en_US and only
 a 1/3 concerns all the other languages and it is repeated over the
 branches.
 
 We are trying to change our workflow to work on master instead of
 branches. That will allow us to review the strings earlier (to leverage
 heavy unneeded changes if possible) and have more time to localize. But
 that will work only if each taking part of the changes take care of the
 others.
 
 To conclude, what l10n team would like to see is:
 - a review process of the strings before they are committed and make
 sure they respect the en_US standards (capitals, grammar, punctuation,
 typography). Maybe adding the Gnome HIG book to our pages [like 2] if
 not already.
 
 - if there is a way to script changes, script them otherwise wait until
 there is a script available to commit them
 
 - any time there are heavy changes that pop up in someone's mind (like
 changing ... for …) discuss it with the l10n team before committing
 those changes.
 
 I know it may lower the enthusiasm of some contributors, but it will
 regain the one of our l10n teams for sure :)
 
 
 [1]
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Workflow-based-on-master-tt4131453.html#a4132459
 [2] https://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.12/design-text-labels.html.en
 
 Cheers
 Sophie
 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams

[Sophie]

Hi all,

[Please follow-up the discussion on projects@ list to keep the history
of the thread there and ease the discussion, thanks :-)]

I would like to open a discussion about the way developers team, UX team
and l10n team should interact and work together.

There has been a heavy discussion [see this thread 1] during this round
of translation. The l10n team was a bit frustrated that there were again
so many changes in the en_US version that does not concern the l10n
versions (like adding colon at the end or capitals in the middle of the
strings).

Each time, it seems part of this could be automated or a reflection
on how to avoid messing the l10n work should have been introduced before
those changes are committed. For example, if I decide to change FR
localization to have sentence capitalization in the menu entries, none
of the 100 other localizations won't and shouldn't be affected. It
should be the same for en_US version or if really impossible, try to
find a solution that lower the impact on all localizations.

None of the l10n teams is against changing or correcting the UI of the
en_US version and none is against the natural evolution of the suite.
What is not bearable is when you have 100 000 changes in en_US and only
a 1/3 concerns all the other languages and it is repeated over the
branches.

We are trying to change our workflow to work on master instead of
branches. That will allow us to review the strings earlier (to leverage
heavy unneeded changes if possible) and have more time to localize. But
that will work only if each taking part of the changes take care of the
others.

To conclude, what l10n team would like to see is:
- a review process of the strings before they are committed and make
sure they respect the en_US standards (capitals, grammar, punctuation,
typography). Maybe adding the Gnome HIG book to our pages [like 2] if
not already.

- if there is a way to script changes, script them otherwise wait until
there is a script available to commit them

- any time there are heavy changes that pop up in someone's mind (like
changing ... for …) discuss it with the l10n team before committing
those changes.

I know it may lower the enthusiasm of some contributors, but it will
regain the one of our l10n teams for sure :)


[1]
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Workflow-based-on-master-tt4131453.html#a4132459
[2] https://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.12/design-text-labels.html.en

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation




-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] General release meeting on 2015-01-14 15:00 UTC

[Sophie]

Hi all,

The General Release meeting will take place
January 14th, 2015 at 15:00 UTC

to get your time please visit:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=00min=00sec=0day=14month=01year=2015

All the explanations to attend the meeting are here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/GeneralReleaseMeeting

Don't hesitate to add the items you want to discuss and let me know if
you have any question.
Thanks in advance for you participation!

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi Jean-François,
Le 23/12/2014 20:03, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Hello Sophie  all,
 
 Le 22/12/2014 15:13, Sophie a écrit :

 so are you volunteering to write that manual and document the templates
 or are you only ranting on those who are currently trying and are doing
 something?
 
 of course not: it's up to the template maker to document his/her work.

Great, so if you don't intend to do anything, we don't need your rants too.
 
 What I want to emphasize is the *need* for documentation and that asking
 for a *no text* template is in many occurences plain wrong. IOW,
 providing a template without documenting it is stupid.

ah, we were not aware of those necessities and you are here to avoid us
doing stupid things by doing nothing. But unfortunately, it's not how it
works in an open source community. We don't kill initiatives, we
encourage them and enhance the process all along to come to something
satisfying to most of our users. If you're not happy with that, either
you collaborate to the process or you don't use what we propose. There
is no place for discrediting or discouraging others work here.

Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi Marc,
Le 20/12/2014 14:59, Marc Paré a écrit :
[...]

 Phew ... coming in really late on this discussion and having read the
 other recent comments elsewhere,
 
 I also agree with KJ that there is no need to hurry. IMO, better to give
 people enough lead time and time to develop nice templates is better
 than to push for a fast submission. At least making the contest result
 for the roll-out of 4.4.1 will allow the serious template designers some
 time to submit quality work rather than hurried work. I can't imagine a
 serious template developer hurrying with a template submission and
 compromising quality ... we risk getting submitted templates that are
 more alpha-early-beta than getting polished templates ready for
 user/commercial use.

Yes, that was a late request but let's go for it. The issue is that the
Start Center has a new button for templates and the folder will be empty
under several components. That will solve this for the en_US version
which is the most downloaded. The localized versions will have an empty
folder and the contest will work for them later.
 
 We often worry about lack of community involvement, but, when there is a
 wonderful occasion where community involvement with such a contest where
 there is a low-entry level of understanding of LibreOffice and where
 template usage is directed towards our users, we do not even provide
 users the chance to vote on a template contest ... surely a users idea
 of what a good and purposeful template would be different from a
 designer's perspective.

I'm not sure users are aware of all the needed things to have a reliable
template and one that could be localized too, so the best way would be
that the design team does a pre selection and let the users vote only on
the templates that complies.
 
 IMO, I would even be in favour of pushing this to 4.4.2 or later to
 leave ample time for user voting ... templates usage are always driven
 by user usage, and users are quick to recognize the utility of a good
 template, they would need some time to experiment with any submitted
 templates before voting.
 
 IMO, the template contest is being put on in too much of a short
 time-frame, will have no community-building value to it -- the users
 will not even have a say as to which template(s) they find useful.

That could be done later with the localization too, which is quite a
huge work.
 
 Why not just call the contest, and, as newly submitted templates come
 in, have the designer team do a quick test to QA their addition to the
 4.4.x series, and then have users vote on the most useful template
 sometime around 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 ... this will give users enough time to
 try out the templates and we will gain more in community involvement. It
 would not stop the designers from voting on their choice of template,
 which could still be run in conjunction with the user choice.

yes, this is how I see it too.
 
 I also worry that we are giving our user base the impression that
 contests such as these are put on quickly without proper lead time ... I
 am not sure it helps our brand that is highly recognized and respected.
 Sometimes, taking a little extra time will help show our user base that
 we value quality and that our contests are taken seriously.

There will be a follow-up for the next versions, so I guess we should
consider this contest as a kick-off for the others that will be organized.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 22/12/2014 14:31, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 On 22 décembre 2014 14:15:37 CET, Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
 jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net wrote:
 Hi,

 Le 22/12/2014 10:40, Sophie a écrit :

 We often worry about lack of community involvement, but, when there
 is a
 wonderful occasion where community involvement with such a contest
 where
 there is a low-entry level of understanding of LibreOffice and where
 template usage is directed towards our users, we do not even provide
 users the chance to vote on a template contest ... surely a users
 idea
 of what a good and purposeful template would be different from a
 designer's perspective.

 I'm *very* reluctant to such a community project: templates very often 
 show their cultural origin. This means that an american template won't 
 fit a French user at all, and vice versa. There are some such templates
 
 True and it is dangerous since it could show some spontaneity and community 
 involvement. We surely do not want that ;-)
 
Yes and if you read the announcement or the discussions on the lists,
you have noticed that it's a contest for en_US templates only.

 on the extensions website already. I had written about that problem to 
 the authors, hoping to find a way to make better tools, to no avail
 yet.

well they are under a open source license, so anybody is invited to do
the work or enhance what already exists.


 I'm not sure users are aware of all the needed things to have a
 reliable
 template and one that could be localized too, so the best way would
 be
 that the design team does a pre selection and let the users vote only
 on
 the templates that complies.

 Could the Design team devise a template template that international 
 users could use as a starting point?
 
 What would be the standard for such a template? We all come from different 
 origins so we will all face the same issues and these can be adapted by users 
 or by native lang projects to match their own standard. Let us not create 
 difficulties. Let this be a joyful moment for community participation!
 
+1
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 22/12/2014 15:08, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Hello Sophie,
 
 Le 22/12/2014 14:37, Sophie a écrit :
 Yes and if you read the announcement or the discussions on the lists,
 you have noticed that it's a contest for en_US templates only.
 
 The risk being that those templates come to non-en_US users.

That would be their choice.
 

 well they are under a open source license, so anybody is invited to do
 the work or enhance what already exists.
 
 This is a very tough question, yes.
 
 Second, templates *need* to be documented either with included text or a
 secondary user manual (I think this should be request, opposite to the
 current contest asking for *no text*)

so are you volunteering to write that manual and document the templates
or are you only ranting on those who are currently trying and are doing
something?
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 22/12/2014 15:27, Milan Bouchet-Valat a écrit : Le lundi 22 décembre
2014 à 15:13 +0100, Sophie a écrit :
 Hi,
 Le 22/12/2014 15:08, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Hello Sophie,

 Le 22/12/2014 14:37, Sophie a écrit :
 Yes and if you read the announcement or the discussions on the lists,
 you have noticed that it's a contest for en_US templates only.

 The risk being that those templates come to non-en_US users.

 That would be their choice.
 I don't understand what's so country-specific in a template. AFAIK MS
 Office does not ship different templates in the US and in Europe. Cannot
 templates be made mostly country-neutral if contributors are asked to
 avoid adding too nationally-rooted details?

It depends on the category of templates. For Writer for example, a
simple letter presents a lot of differences depending on the country
(it's even not language specific). The page format will be different,
the date, margins, location of the addresses, ect...

 Of course text must be translated (if present), but this can be done
 like GUI labels.

 If the contest is only for en_US, then most locales won't get any
 templates at all, which is worse than getting an English template. So
 better start with the idea that templates will have to be translated.

Yes. The time frame for 4.4.0 is too short but we don't want to kill the
enthusiasm of the Design team, so let's have the first contest for en_US
and the localization team will then work on their internationalization.

Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Le 22/12/2014 15:40, Milan Bouchet-Valat a écrit :
 Le lundi 22 décembre 2014 à 15:36 +0100, Sophie a écrit :
 Hi,
 Le 22/12/2014 15:27, Milan Bouchet-Valat a écrit : Le lundi 22 décembre
 2014 à 15:13 +0100, Sophie a écrit :
 Hi,
 Le 22/12/2014 15:08, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Hello Sophie,

 Le 22/12/2014 14:37, Sophie a écrit :
 Yes and if you read the announcement or the discussions on the lists,
 you have noticed that it's a contest for en_US templates only.

 The risk being that those templates come to non-en_US users.

 That would be their choice.
 I don't understand what's so country-specific in a template. AFAIK MS
 Office does not ship different templates in the US and in Europe. Cannot
 templates be made mostly country-neutral if contributors are asked to
 avoid adding too nationally-rooted details?

 It depends on the category of templates. For Writer for example, a
 simple letter presents a lot of differences depending on the country
 (it's even not language specific). The page format will be different,
 the date, margins, location of the addresses, ect...
 Ah, OK. This may need some careful work by localization teams.
 
 But for more informal documents, offering a few good-looking templates
 is not a problem.

yes, so don't hesitate to submit your template on the dedicated mailing
list :)
 
 Of course text must be translated (if present), but this can be done
 like GUI labels.

 If the contest is only for en_US, then most locales won't get any
 templates at all, which is worse than getting an English template. So
 better start with the idea that templates will have to be translated.

 Yes. The time frame for 4.4.0 is too short but we don't want to kill the
 enthusiasm of the Design team, so let's have the first contest for en_US
 and the localization team will then work on their internationalization.
 Right. But to motivate people outside of the US, better say loudly that
 templates will eventually be translated.

I'm sure that will be said on the next iterations of the contest.

Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] 4.4.0 general release meeting

[Sophie]

Hi all,

I've set a doodle to organize the general release meeting for 4.4.0.
Please add your favourite date and time here:
http://doodle.com/54rqtaqv6rgduzin

The purpose of the meeting is to organize the communication between the
various parts of the project and make sure nothing is left behind during
the announcement. It is set 3 weeks before the release.
We will discuss the PR, the 5 top features, PR translations work flow,
design contest results, bugs (if any) that can impact marketing ..., any
topic that needs to be discussed :) Let me know if you have any question.

Thanks in advance for your participation!
Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Sophie]

Hi Robinson,
Le 22/12/2014 17:03, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Charles-H. Schulz
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 True and it is dangerous since it could show some spontaneity and community 
 involvement. We surely do not want that ;-)
 
 +1 for community involvement
 
 I'm not sure users are aware of all the needed things to have a
 reliable
 template and one that could be localized too, so the best way would
 be
 that the design team does a pre selection and let the users vote only
 on
 the templates that complies.
 
 Speaking more generally than just this contest, having the Design Team
 give feedback or help to improve templates would be a great idea!

it's currently under their control and yes, it's really great :)
 
 ... We all come from different origins so we will all face the same issues 
 and these can be adapted by users or by native lang projects to match their 
 own standard. Let us not create difficulties. Let this be a joyful moment 
 for community participation!

 
 Making it easier for community members to adapt templates (and
 extensions) to their own native lang sounds like a positive
 contribution. What's the current workflow for localization?

Currently template are on the Templates site. There is no workflow about
their internationalisation. But after this contest, to populate the file
in LibreOffice we will need to set one, this was discussed on other lists.

 
 Sophie writes:
 well they are under a open source license, so anybody is invited to do
 the work or enhance what already exists.
 
 Perhaps we can do more to make sure that work gets re-integrated back
 into the original version, or is made available as a derivative.
 Keeping a copy of each template in version control could reduce the
 barriers to participation. It would make it easier for contributors to
 fix typos, track down bugs, or make even bigger changes.

What we need is a kind of official set that we can work in all
languages with en_US as the basis to make sure that changes go in l10n
as well. But I think that this is what Kendy has in mind.

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] RFE process between QA and UX

[Sophie]

Hi all,

So following the discussion we had yesterday during the QA meeting
(thanks Jay for your participation :) we agreed that issues created by
UX/Design members will be set as NEW and assigned to UX-advice.
The QA wiki pages will be modified to reflect this change.

We have clarified with Jay what type of enhancements should go under the
UX-advice category.
I hope everything is fine for everybody now, don't hesitate to let me
know if there is questions remaining :)
Thanks to all for your help solving this!
Cheers
Sophie

Le 17/12/2014 17:27, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Hi All,
 
 This all seems to be coming down to my current workflow about
 enhancement bugs that i'm opening. To my knowledge, there has been only
 two bug reports that i have not given enough information, which resulted
 in them being set to NEEDINFO, which i then followed up with more
 information.
 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86627
 
 As i'm opening enhancement requests, sometimes i seek the advise of more
 experienced users to know whether the enhancement is a good idea or not,
 which can be seen in the two examples previously quoted.
 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
 
 If the QA team doesnt wish to give their input into these enhancement
 requests, then i think the simplest thing to do is to set them all as
 ux-advise rather than what i currently do of assigning it to the
 component and CC ux-advise. I guess my main issue is not knowing what is
 considered ux-advise and what isnt.
 
 Regards,
 Jay Philips
 
 On 12/17/2014 06:08 PM, Sophie wrote:
 Hi Kendy, all,
 Le 17/12/2014 12:47, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,

 Sophie píše v Út 16. 12. 2014 v 19:16 +0100:
  
 Discussing with QA team today, there has been a lot of bug reports
 concerning minor enhancements these last days.
 It would be better is those enhancements would be first discussed by the
 UX team before going to QA for triage because most of the time they
 don't have the requested info regarding bug filling then QA team has to
 spend a lot of time to reproduce them and this is not up to the QA team
 to discuss UX enhancements.

 Please can you send few examples to have a better idea? :-)

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
 or see this list:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEWcomponent=ux-adviseemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.coemailtype1=substringlist_id=505514product=LibreOfficequery_format=advanced

 Ah! - so Jay is a very active member of the Design Team, and discusses
 his proposals the right way; so I am not really concerned about these
 reports :-) - they will be handled properly, I am sure.

 ok, no problem, Jay is an example (and great to see him so active here
 now :) but that will help to set the good process between the teams.

 So to get them out of the stats - does the NEEDINFO + ux-advise
 component (as Stuart proposed) work for you, Sophie?  Jay - can you
 please mark your reports that way if yes?

 Well, I'm only the messenger here. So let me make the proposal to the QA
 team during their meeting this evening, and I'll report back to you, but
 I guess they will be ok with Stuart proposal and yours.

 Yes, but that is a lot of work for bug triagers. If you well know the
 functionality, it's easy to discriminate, but for QA people who do not
 have that knowledge, the lack of steps to reproduce, examples, etc. is
 very time consuming plus the fact that he won't know what to do with it
 (50% of users would like to have it and the other 50% won't), when it
 can be solved quickly by discussing a little bit.

 Sure, as I did not have the examples, I did not know exactly what you
 had in mind :-)

 Ok, thanks a lot to Stuart and you to help me clarify it :)
 Cheers
 Sophie



-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] RFE process between QA and UX

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy, all,
Le 17/12/2014 12:47, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v Út 16. 12. 2014 v 19:16 +0100:
  
 Discussing with QA team today, there has been a lot of bug reports
 concerning minor enhancements these last days.
 It would be better is those enhancements would be first discussed by the
 UX team before going to QA for triage because most of the time they
 don't have the requested info regarding bug filling then QA team has to
 spend a lot of time to reproduce them and this is not up to the QA team
 to discuss UX enhancements.

 Please can you send few examples to have a better idea? :-)

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
 or see this list:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEWcomponent=ux-adviseemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.coemailtype1=substringlist_id=505514product=LibreOfficequery_format=advanced
 
 Ah! - so Jay is a very active member of the Design Team, and discusses
 his proposals the right way; so I am not really concerned about these
 reports :-) - they will be handled properly, I am sure.

ok, no problem, Jay is an example (and great to see him so active here
now :) but that will help to set the good process between the teams.
 
 So to get them out of the stats - does the NEEDINFO + ux-advise
 component (as Stuart proposed) work for you, Sophie?  Jay - can you
 please mark your reports that way if yes?

Well, I'm only the messenger here. So let me make the proposal to the QA
team during their meeting this evening, and I'll report back to you, but
I guess they will be ok with Stuart proposal and yours.
 
 Yes, but that is a lot of work for bug triagers. If you well know the
 functionality, it's easy to discriminate, but for QA people who do not
 have that knowledge, the lack of steps to reproduce, examples, etc. is
 very time consuming plus the fact that he won't know what to do with it
 (50% of users would like to have it and the other 50% won't), when it
 can be solved quickly by discussing a little bit.
 
 Sure, as I did not have the examples, I did not know exactly what you
 had in mind :-)

Ok, thanks a lot to Stuart and you to help me clarify it :)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Annual Report: last chance to complete it!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

A gentle reminder that the pad for the annual report will be closed soon
in order to give Flo enough time to write the report for the Berlin
authorities. So please, add now what your team has done these last
months! If you have links to blogs in English, don't hesitate to add
them too.
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

An English version will be extracted from the report, it will be then
available for NLPs and the marketing team.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help to report on our project activities :)

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] RFE process between QA and UX

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Discussing with QA team today, there has been a lot of bug reports
concerning minor enhancements these last days.
It would be better is those enhancements would be first discussed by the
UX team before going to QA for triage because most of the time they
don't have the requested info regarding bug filling then QA team has to
spend a lot of time to reproduce them and this is not up to the QA team
to discuss UX enhancements.

So it would be much more efficient for both teams to:
- first discuss the enhancement here or on redmine (I don't know your
process :)
- then fill a RFE when it's consolidated with all the needed info for
the QA team
- let the UX team confirm it quickly so it goes out the QA review
process and stats.

Thanks in advance for your help here!
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] RFE process between QA and UX

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 16/12/2014 18:50, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v Út 16. 12. 2014 v 16:57 +0100:
 
 Discussing with QA team today, there has been a lot of bug reports
 concerning minor enhancements these last days.
 It would be better is those enhancements would be first discussed by the
 UX team before going to QA for triage because most of the time they
 don't have the requested info regarding bug filling then QA team has to
 spend a lot of time to reproduce them and this is not up to the QA team
 to discuss UX enhancements.
 
 Please can you send few examples to have a better idea? :-)

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
or see this list:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEWcomponent=ux-adviseemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.coemailtype1=substringlist_id=505514product=LibreOfficequery_format=advanced

  Asking
 because:
 
 So it would be much more efficient for both teams to:
 - first discuss the enhancement here or on redmine (I don't know your
 process :)
 
 If it is something small that is obviously the right thing to do (like
 some wording fix or so) - then it would be awesome to encourage the
 reporter to fix it himself / herself  send a patch via gerrit.

yes, but if the patch is reverted or not needed, it will be frustrating
either for the implementer and for the developers. Not every idea is
good to put on BZ or in a patch, a little discussion before would help
to see if it's need, could be implemented or not :)
 
 If it is something bigger, then sending the bug id here to the ML is OK
 of course; or add it to the weekly hangout agenda, so that we discuss it
 there.
 
 - then fill a RFE when it's consolidated with all the needed info for
 the QA team
 - let the UX team confirm it quickly so it goes out the QA review
 process and stats.
 
 I'd say - either confirm (if the idea sounds interesting), or close as
 wontfix ;-)

Yes, but that is a lot of work for bug triagers. If you well know the
functionality, it's easy to discriminate, but for QA people who do not
have that knowledge, the lack of steps to reproduce, examples, etc. is
very time consuming plus the fact that he won't know what to do with it
(50% of users would like to have it and the other 50% won't), when it
can be solved quickly by discussing a little bit.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: RFE process between QA and UX

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Stuart, all

Le 16 déc. 2014 21:10, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu a écrit :

 @Sophi,  *,

 Kendy may have a different take, but Design/UX elected to not try to do
this
 on Redmine.

Ok, no problem, as said I'm not aware of your workflow.

 The rub comes in that when posted to Bugzilla, the actions are opened
 Unconfirmed.  But they are not issues requiring QA, although anyone should
 fell welcome to comment and get involved from a UX perspective.

Yes, I understand

 Guess issue can simply be set new on opening, and always assign to
ux-advise
 component.  Work flow would be to keep  these issues open (or maybe
 needinfo) in ux-advise until Design/UX-advise folks agree to move it
forward
 for development, or close it out.

Ok, this is something I'll propose on the QA meeting tomorrow

 Having the proposal in bugzilla greatly simplifies review and discussion
 during Design Hangouts.  But understand the QA thrash having the
additional
 bugs cluttering the stats--simple compromise as above.

Ok, thanks for your further explanation. The things is that most of the
times QA team has no clue if it's a valid enhancement or not (because of
missing info in the bug, knowledge, etc). So either they could close a
valid request or accept one which is not possible to implement. See the
example with conditional formating and contextual menu where it now applies
to a range and not a cell.
For both, the submitters and the reviewers, this is not a good workflow.
But what you proposed is a great compromise.  Thanks Stuart for all what
you do in our project and the way you do it  :-)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Change in the l10n workflow

[Sophie]

Hi all,

The l10n team is modifying his workflow. Currently the work is based on
branches with a huge workload between beta2 and RC2.

In order to extend the l10n period of work and lower the load, Cloph
will create a project based on master in Pootle and will update the
template once a month to retrieve the new/modified strings.

So be aware that reverting a string change on master will affect also
the workflow of the l10n team :)
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-12-10

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy, all,
Le 10/12/2014 11:57, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 Just a reminder; today is Wednesday, and we'll have the weekly
 Hangout at 18:00 UTC (19:00 CEST).
 
 The agenda is here:
 
 http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design
 
 Everybody is welcome - please do join! :-)  Either call the provided
 phone numbers, or contact us on #libreoffice-design on irc.freenode.net
 few minutes before the call, and we'll invite you to the hangout.

I wanted to make you aware of this page that has an interest for you too:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentoring_Programs/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libo-conference-priv] [libreoffice-design] Conference Logo

[Sophie]

Hi all,
Le 17/11/2014 08:12, Line Dybdahl a écrit :
 Hi KJ, Sophie and Leif
 
 Yes I know the Å is as Danish as it can be, but the City of Aarhus
 chose some years ago the new spelling of the city. So I vote for logo
 nr. 3 :)

Thanks a lot K-J for your design and Line for your feedback. I think
that now we can add the logo to the website, Nabble and the wiki.
I'll ask Cloph to add it to the website template and I'll take care of
the two others.

Thanks again
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-11-12

[Sophie]

Hi Stuart, all,
Le 11/11/2014 22:41, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
 Kendy, *,
 
 So the  Design Wiki Meetings
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings   item reads like
 this...
 
 *We hold a Weekly Hangout every Wednesday at 18:00 UTC / 19:00 CET via G+
 Hangouts. See the design@ mailing list for details, a notification is sent
 there every week. These calls are open to everyone who wishes to help.
 
 Agenda is being collected over the week  here
 http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design  . Minutes of the calls are
 sent to the design@ mailing list.*
 
 No problem reviewing the linked agenda in pad at
 http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design, but really need the G+ Hangout
 details and maybe how to get the invite obviously available on the Wiki.  

Maybe adding the link to talkyoo on the page would be enough?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Talkyoo
The ESC hangout process is detailled and I guess it's the same with
different people.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Annual Report: fill it! :)

[Sophie]

Hi all,

The end of the year will be soon here and Flo will have to write the
annual report for the Berlin authorities. But we also want to have data
for a marketing brochure (not only for the product but also for the
community) in English.

Please fill the pad with your team achievements! We want to know what
happened this year :)
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

We need data from the Design, QA, Infra, NLPs and DLP projects.
Thanks a lot in advance.

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libo-conference-priv] [libreoffice-design] Conference Logo

[Sophie]

Le 09/11/2014 12:44, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Am 03.11.2014 um 13:37 schrieb Sophie:
 It's time for the conference logo story again and we would like the help
 of the Design Team for that :) The local team in Aarhus has already
 added material and indications on this ticket:
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/710
 They would like to have feedback on the design and a better technical
 quality. Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
 
 Sorry for the late response.

No problem and thanks a lot for your work!
 I found some things:
 + It' a very simple (=danish) design
 + Using the silouette
 0 Maybe change the silouette to a single green line without green area [1]
 0 Do everybody know where Aarhus is? Maybe there should be some hint to
 Denmark
 0 I personally would like to have the original logo with the The
 Document Foundation
 0 I don't know if the orange 2015 fits with the green coloured silouette
 0 The right font does not seem to be Vegur, but something similar. Or
 it has been drawn and squat in the width. The 2015 is another font, so
 you have three fonts.
 - There is no timestamp (22th to 25th september)
 - The 2015 doesn't line to Conference. And Conference is a bit too
 near by the green line.
 - The LibO logo is too close to the left border
 - The white bottom border is much bigger than the others.
 
 Putting some things together I made an own proposal based on the logo of
 2011 to 2014:
 [1]
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOCon-2015Aarhus-silouette-300.png

I like it very much too :) Just maybe the date could be a little bit
nearer the 'Conference' word.
Thanks again
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-11-05

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy, all,
Le 05/11/2014 00:48, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 Just a reminder; tomorrow is Wednesday, and we'll have the Hangout at
 18:00 UTC (19:00 CEST).
 
 The agenda is here:
 
 http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design
 
 Everybody is welcome - please do join! :-)  Either call the provided
 phone number, or contact us on #libreoffice-design on irc.freenode.net
 few minutes before the call, and we'll invite you to the hangout.

I won't be able to be here (I want to attend the QA call which overlap)
but I've an item I've already spoke about some times with Jay.
Would it be possible to take care of the length of the strings in other
languages than English. I know our dialogs should adapt better now that
we have .ui files, but it's not always the case and we still have some
of them with truncated strings.
Testing one time with FR or pt-BR or DE would be enough (they are of the
longest) and would avoid a whole process of change  l10n  bug  change
again  l10n again. Of course if you need me for that, I'll be available
to test (I just need to know how :)
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-11-05

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 05/11/2014 13:20, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v St 05. 11. 2014 v 09:18 +0100:
 
 I won't be able to be here (I want to attend the QA call which overlap)
 but I've an item I've already spoke about some times with Jay.
 Would it be possible to take care of the length of the strings in other
 languages than English. I know our dialogs should adapt better now that
 we have .ui files, but it's not always the case and we still have some
 of them with truncated strings.
 
 Can you give me an example, please?  I am not 100% sure what you mean by
 'to take care of the length of the strings' - as that is something that
 the translators can influence, not the authors of the dialogs...

Well translators have to stick to the sources as most as possible. If
you change the string by simplifying the syntax most of the time by
omitting words, the translation will lose quality.
For example, we introduced this change some years ago:
Minimum space numbering - textlabel” because there was no way to keep
the meaning by shortening the string.
I didn't test if “Minimum space between numbering and text will fit in
the dialog in French, but if not, adapting the translation won't be
possible without removing some words and then losing meaning or semantic.

 
 Testing one time with FR or pt-BR or DE would be enough (they are of the
 longest) and would avoid a whole process of change  l10n  bug  change
 again  l10n again. Of course if you need me for that, I'll be available
 to test (I just need to know how :)
 
 One way to decrease the roundtrip there is to teach the translators how
 to modify the dialogs.

That won't solve the general issue but that will help to check if the
string fits the dialog :)
 
 It is not hard; I've just put together a wiki page how to do that,
 please let me know if the instructions are clear enough - the best would
 be if you can try to follow them for a dialog that does not behave well,
 and let me know what was not clear [or update the page if you find your
 way :-)]:
 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/How_to_Improve_Dialogs

Glade crashes often on my Ubuntu, I'll test on my Debian. However, I
don't think translators will build LO ;) but as said I want to help here
so I'll test your process and give feedback here.

Thanks :)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-11-05

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 05/11/2014 14:54, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v St 05. 11. 2014 v 13:59 +0100:
  
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/How_to_Improve_Dialogs

 Glade crashes often on my Ubuntu, I'll test on my Debian. However, I
 don't think translators will build LO ;) but as said I want to help here
 so I'll test your process and give feedback here.
 
 Which reminds me - it is actually not necessary to build it, the catalog
 should be in the installation! [and if it's not, it's trivial to add
 it].
 
 Let me amend the instructions...

The path to the ui files is not the same as yours in my (parallel)
installation (but also the local install) full path is:
LibreOfficeDev_4.4.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/instal/opt/libreofficedev4.4/share/config/soffice.cfg/cui/ui/optuserpage.ui

yours is with an extra /uiconfig/:
cui/uiconfig/ui/optuserpage.ui

So the path is not the same whether you grep the sources or a local
install, am I right?
I didn't see where to resize the dialog, for example the one I join is
correct with the string in French but will it appear exactly the same in
the version?
Also, if I change the size of a dialog, I'm not sure it won't be
reverted by somebody else who will see too much space in the en_US version.
Thanks :)
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Weekly Design Hangout: 2014-11-05

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 05/11/2014 17:36, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 Sophie píše v St 05. 11. 2014 v 17:05 +0100:
 
 The path to the ui files is not the same as yours in my (parallel)
 installation (but also the local install) full path is:
 LibreOfficeDev_4.4.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/instal/opt/libreofficedev4.4/share/config/soffice.cfg/cui/ui/optuserpage.ui

 yours is with an extra /uiconfig/:
 cui/uiconfig/ui/optuserpage.ui

 So the path is not the same whether you grep the sources or a local
 install, am I right?
 
 Yes, it is not the same, I've updated the wording to be more clear that
 the git grep needs to be executed in the source directory.
 
 For testing, you can just copy your updated .ui file to
 
 LibreOfficeDev_4.4.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/instal/opt/libreofficedev4.4/share/config/soffice.cfg/...
 
 indeed.

ok,
 
 I didn't see where to resize the dialog, for example the one I join is
 correct with the string in French but will it appear exactly the same in
 the version?
 Also, if I change the size of a dialog, I'm not sure it won't be
 reverted by somebody else who will see too much space in the en_US version.
 
 Ah!  So the point is that you need to try to resize that (using the
 mouse) to see that it behaves correctly, it is not that you should
 hardcode any resized value :-)

ah, I understand :)
 
 When you see that the dialog is behaving correctly during resizing, it
 will also behave correctly when it gets a longer string on input.
 
 But to be extra sure about the string in question, you can also change
 the string itself in the Properties (lower right-hand side part of the
 GUI) temporarily to something longer, and see if the dialog has grown
 accordingly.

Ok, thanks, that's what I've done.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Meta issue to track the changes needed in help files

[Sophie]

Hi all,

We have a meta issue to track the changes made in the UI that are not
ported to the help files at the same time:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80430

Please, for each change you make, add an issue describing the changes so
that a new article or modifications can be made with no deep research.
And then add it to the meta bug.
As you can see, it's only mostly Olivier working on this, so if you can
port the changes to the help files as part of the UI enhancements, it
would be great too :)

Thanks a lot in advance
Kind regards
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Conference Logo

[Sophie]

Hello,

It's time for the conference logo story again and we would like the help
of the Design Team for that :) The local team in Aarhus has already
added material and indications on this ticket:
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/710
They would like to have feedback on the design and a better technical
quality. Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
Let me know if you have any questions.

Kind regards
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libo-conference-priv] [libreoffice-design] Conference Logo

[Sophie]

Le 03/11/2014 13:40, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 03.11.2014 um 13:37 schrieb Sophie:
 Hello,

 It's time for the conference logo story again and we would like the help
 of the Design Team for that :) The local team in Aarhus has already
 added material and indications on this ticket:
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/710
 
 403
 Sie sind nicht berechtigt, auf diese Seite zuzugreifen.

I've added you as an observer, I hope it solves the problem.

Cheers
Sophie
 
 
 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libo-conference-priv] [libreoffice-design] Conference Logo

[Sophie]

Le 03/11/2014 13:55, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 03.11.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Sophie:
 Le 03/11/2014 13:40, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 03.11.2014 um 13:37 schrieb Sophie:
 Hello,

 It's time for the conference logo story again and we would like the
 help
 of the Design Team for that :) The local team in Aarhus has already
 added material and indications on this ticket:
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/710

 403
 Sie sind nicht berechtigt, auf diese Seite zuzugreifen.

 I've added you as an observer, I hope it solves the problem.
 
 
 Up to now: No.
 I think the problem is: I have no rights for the whole project
 conference so I can't get access to the one issue. But I don't know.
 That would be a question for the INFRA-Team:
 How to get rights for access to an issue in a restricted project without
 getting in that project?
 
 
 But for this issue: We need an open access for the whole Design team
 (and not only for me).

I've moved the ticket to the Design project so you should have all
access to it now. Let me know if there is still problems.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] I'd like to help

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Igor

Le 28 oct. 2014 20:30, Igor Bensemann i...@bensemann.org a écrit :

 Hello!
 I'd like to help you with improving the LibreOffice - probably with the
 translation to polish.

Welcome to our project! Whzt do you want to translate? The UI and Help of
LibreOffice? The site? The documentation? Let me know and I'll give you the
first steps :-)
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Collecting usage data

[Sophie]

Hi Kendy,
Le 08/10/2014 21:12, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 At the Hangout today, I told that I hacked up a way in LibreOffice how
 to collect usage data.  It's an early prototype, even to turn it on, you
 have to compile; but I (or Samuel, if he can find some time?) plan to do
 a user configuration to turn it on/off, and save it to the user's
 profile.  If the time permits, even sending to some server might be
 possible at some stage (but cannot promise that).

Thanks a lot, I think it's the best way to go to collect data usage.
 
 The output so far looks like this:
 
 Usage information:
 TextDocument;.uno:Bold;6
 TextDocument;.uno:InsertTable(Columns,Rows);1
 TextDocument;.uno:Italic;2
 TextDocument;.uno:Quit;1
 TextDocument;.uno:StyleApply(Template,Family);1
 TextDocument;.uno:SwBackspace;1
 Usage information end
 
 This means that all the actions happened in Writer (TextDocument), and
 the user has 6x switched Bold, inserted one table, 2x italics, has quit
 LibreOffice once, 1x applied style, and once used backspace :-)

Would it be possible to also add an inquiry about Insert  Fields. This
is heavily used for different purposes in different working environments.

 
 Ideas to include:
 
 * LibreOffice version
 * operating system
 * user's locale
 * screen resolution
 * number of sessions started [this, minus the number of 'Quit's can give
   the number of crashes ;-)]
 
 Anything else?  Cannot promise I can do everything, though ;-)

I don't see anything else here.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Jean-Baptiste,


On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org
 wrote:

 Le 04/09/2014 10:56, Mirek M. a écrit :
 [...]
  You can get forum activity sent to your e-mail: log into Redmine, click
  Watch on the forums page, and make sure that, in your Account settings,
  you have e-mail notifications for things you watch set.

 You can't really work with that, it is just an alert by mail. The
 message is send by The Document Foundation Redmine
 gene...@redmine.documentfoundation.org, that is not a useful
 information to follow a discussion.


The Design team has chosen Redmine because it's not only about discussion
but a whole workflow for them.
If you plan to become part of the team I really encourage you to read the
wiki and the tickets on Redmine to get the full picture of what they want
to achieve


 
  We don't want to forward things to the mailing list, though, because we
  want the conversations to happen in one place and don't want people to
  reply on the list.

 Hmm, looks like as if you wanted to keep discussions closed and private.
 Ok, it will be easier to make decisions. Not sure that this way you can
 make decisions useful for LibreOffice and its users.
 What do you plan to make this forum discoverable ?


Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking
about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate, if a
team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool.


  We're getting rid of the list.
 Not sure if design team is legitimate to decide that.
 What do you plan to keep the list archive?

 [...]
  JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad
  communication tool.
 
 
  You should try it. :)

 Instead of suggesting that I talk without knowing what I am talking
 about, you should try to answer to my arguments against the use of forums.
 Did you ever try a decent mail client? If you use a webmail, I can
 understand why you prefer the forums. But the problem is not the use of
 mailing-lists, it is how you manage your mails.


I don't think that Mirek was suggesting that :-) It has proven that the
workflow on the mailing list was not efficient enough for the design team,
so if Redmine is better for their work, there is no problem, on the
contrary, we want their beautiful work :).
We will change the information on the right places and will help others to
reach the team, that's not a problem.

Cheers
Sophie



-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
Certification Committee Member
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Jean-Baptiste


On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Le 28/07/2014 23:11, Mirek M. a écrit :
  Hi guys,
  On our last IRC chat [1], we've decided to try out a different way of
  working for a month, until the next chat. One of the major changes we've
  decided on is to abandon this mailing list (as a trial) and move our
  conversations to Redmine.

 Is there a bridge between the Redmine forums and that mailing-list so
 that it will be possible to read the forum offline ?

 Is there another bridge between Redmine and our Nabble forums ?


That I need to check, but as you know I'm in Bern and have not the time
right now, but promise I'll do once I'm back this week end :)


 Ok, I found the atom RSS flux but it is very hard to follow a discussion
 on a forum. No discussion tree, only a time based organization, you do
 not know to what message the message you are reading is responding.


Let us some time to check what we can enhance here, the workflow is quite
new.


 Best regards.
 JBF who continues to think that forum is a very poor and bad
 communication tool.


:-)

Cheers
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Co-founder - Release coordinator
Certification Committee Member
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] IMPORTANT: Changing our workflow

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi,

Le 4 sept. 2014 21:40, Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit :

 Le 04/09/2014 20:12, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit :
  Hi Sophie,
 
  Le 04/09/2014 14:33, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
  [...]
  Lot of work is going on Redmine and even the marketing team is thinking
  about a setting a similar workflow, so it's not private or separate,
if a
  team find it convenient to their worflow, it's only a tool.
 
  I agree, the problem is not the use of Redmine, the problem is removing
  the mailing-list and having a forum as unique discussion room.
  Forum only is a no-go for me.
 

 I share Jean-Baptiste thoughts: the mailing list is a great visibility
 tool, redmine won't be. I too manage the mails using Thunderbird and I
 also think fora to be a poor tool for exchanging (JBF has already stated
 the drawbacks).

But the forum is only a part of the tool here, so if the whole workflow
works for the team, lets not brake it and instead try to improve it.
Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Annual report 2014

[Sophie]

Hi all,

As last year, we are collecting the achievements of the project during
the year to send to the Berlin authorities, but also to serve as a
report for the community.

The pad is available here:
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

Please, fill what you (or your team) have done the last 6 months. Don't
hesitate to add links to photos or blog posts. Write only in English and
don't be shy about your typos :)

Thanks a lot in advance for your participation, it's important and a
pleasure for all us to know what is happening in each part of our project!

Let me know if you have any question (please, don't do a reply to all).

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Conference T-shirts logo

[Sophie]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen, all

The conference team would like to produce the t-shirts for the
conference, but it seems that the SVG available on the wiki is missing
the embedded font paths.
Could it be possible that you produce a SVG or an EPS file whit fonts as
path?
Also, could you change the dates for September 3rd to 5th, as this is
the big days (2nd is only for formal meetings) of the conference.

Thanks a lot in advance
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Team organization

[Sophie]

Hi Mirek,
Le 19/06/2014 14:48, Mirek M. a écrit :
 Hi guys,
 Sorry for my lack of involvement lately, I've been very busy.
 
 I've been thinking about our team lately and I'd really like to rethink the
 way we work. I feel like we don't have the basics down, and that's a
 gigantic issue that also reflects on our work. Part of the problem is that
 the team doesn't have a clear structure -- we need leads to resolve
 controversies and bring consistency to the whole of LibreOffice. As Theodor
 Nelson writes (and Jan Borchardt reiterates [1]), The integration of
 software cannot be achieved by committee, where everyone has to put in
 their own additions (featuritis again). It must be controlled by
 dictatorial artists with full say on the final cut.  Not only that --
 having leads means having clear go-to people for design-related problems
 and allows more effective communication -- the communication chaos that we
 currently have would be reduced.
 
 I'm thinking we could have these positions:
 * UX lead
 * Visual design lead
 * User testing lead
 
 The *user testing lead* would see to it that whatever needs to be tested
 gets tested and that the tests are carried out well. The lead wouldn't have
 to personally take part in tests -- as we have volunteers all over the
 world, that would sometimes be impossible -- but they would have to make
 sure that the tests get done and are sufficiently accurate to be useful.
 The *visual design lead* would oversee all visual design related work. That
 means making sure that all graphical elements that are needed get made and
 follow a certain style. It also means creating visual design and branding
 guidelines and style guides when they're needed.
 The *UX lead* would care for the general UX of LibreOffice. That means
 bringing attention to important UX bugs, watching over their progress, and
 cooperating with the user testing lead, the visual design lead, and
 developers based on what each bug requires. It also involves refining the
 design process, from the bug report stage all the way to implementation.
 
 It should be noted that these positions would pertain only to the software,
 not to related projects such as the websites, social networks, branding
 material, etc., to keep the workload lighter. However, rules and guidelines
 for the software would apply to these projects when relevant. To further
 lighten the workload, larger projects (e.g. Android remote, color
 management, etc.) could have their own lead as well. The project lead would
 report to the three leads listed above.
 
 Having these three positions would change only the way we work within the
 design team. The relationship of the team with other teams would not change
 -- devs would still get the final say and leads would have no special roles
 or privileges within TDF.

Sorry to jump in with a side question about the other aspects out of the
product. How can we reach your team when we need visual or design
specifics for events or any action organized by the other projects. Are
you too short in volunteers and we need to help you grow this part of
the community or is it something you're not invested in?
Would it be better for your team that we have two separate projects: one
dedicated to the product design, the other one to the designs needed  by
the community projects?
Actually, and please don't take it as a criticism, it seems very
difficult to get some designs done for events or items and I really
would like to help to solve this :)

Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Team organization

[Sophie]

Hi Mirek,
Le 19/06/2014 15:35, Mirek M. a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
[...]

 Sorry to jump in with a side question about the other aspects out of the
 product. How can we reach your team when we need visual or design
 specifics for events or any action organized by the other projects. Are
 you too short in volunteers and we need to help you grow this part of
 the community or is it something you're not invested in?

 
 Yes, I would say we're short on volunteers, and those volunteers tend to be
 short on time.
 
 Motivation might be a factor -- I think the organizational chaos that there
 is now can be discouraging and I'd like to try to fix that.

Yes, that's what I understand, hence my proposal to separate the project
in two groups.
 
 
 Would it be better for your team that we have two separate projects: one
 dedicated to the product design, the other one to the designs needed  by
 the community projects?

 
 I'm not sure. I guess ideally leads would cater to all TDF-related projects
 and would act as managers.

ok, your the one who knows better here :)
 Right now, though, I'm afraid a lot of the design work will fall on the
 leads themselves, or just not get done.

yes, that's what usually happen when we miss volunteers.
 
 Perhaps that's not relevant, though? Should we just have leads take care of
 all the projects and be responsible for finding the necessary volunteers?

but the other project should support you here, it's really difficult to
do all the work and try to find volunteers at the same time :)
 
 Actually, and please don't take it as a criticism, it seems very
 difficult to get some designs done for events or items and I really
 would like to help to solve this :)

 
 Yes, I know, sorry; though huge props to KJ, who tends to save the day.

yes, thanks a lot to him and (I'm always afraid he feels exhausted by
all our demands ;)
 
 Please chime in with any organizational ideas you might have.

I'll think about it, and will see what we can organize with the NLPs and
the marketing project to take a special action to help you. I'll report
back on this list.
Thanks a lot for your feedback :)
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Hackfest Logo for Toulouse

[Sophie]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
Le 17/06/2014 08:58, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 16.06.2014 14:10, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi Klaus-Jürgen,

 Would it be possible that you adapt the Hackfest logo to the one that
 will be hold in Toulouse (France) on November 15-16?
 
 Done:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014#Material

Thank you so much :)
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Hackfest Logo for Toulouse

[Sophie]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen,

Would it be possible that you adapt the Hackfest logo to the one that
will be hold in Toulouse (France) on November 15-16?
Thanks a lot in advance
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Last call for your papers!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

This is the last call for your talk proposal(s) at the Bern conference,
after the end of the week, it will be too late, so stop what you're
doing and write it now! (and don't forget to send it ;-)
Even if it's short and last 10 mn, just share what you know, we are
eager to learn from you.
http://conference.libreoffice.org/

Let me know if you need any help or have any question.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Call for papers: last days!

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Tomorrow is the end of call for proposals, so don't miss the date!
All the information we need for the moment is an abstract of your talk
and your bio.
I'm sure you have something you want to share with us, so write it just
now :)
Where to post it?
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2014/call-for-papers

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Preparing 4.3.0 coordination between teams

[Sophie]

Hi all,

For information, I will organize a general 4.3.0 release meeting on week 25.

The purpose of this meeting will be to coordinate the different teams
and make sure nothing is left aside.
I'll set a wiki page for the agenda of the meeting, don't hesitate to
add your points to this agenda. I'll post the link later today.
It would be good to have people from Marketing, l10n, UX and QA.
If you have questions about this meeting, let me know.

Cheers
Sophie

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Flyer for Paris Hackfest

[Sophie]

Hi K-J
Le 04/05/2014 21:49, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, Charles, *,
 Am 04.05.2014 14:54, schrieb Sophie:
 Le 03/05/2014 10:02, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
 [...]
 
 Indeed, it's great. Should we add the Simplon logo on the logo? They
 gave me their photoshop format version...

 It's ok the logo is on it :)
 
 Maybe something more like this:
 https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/public.php?service=filest=5128117a7f3a6ce39689e77ab6529578
 
 
 But this doesn't fit in the flyer. Maybe on a postcard or a blog or so.
 
 I don't think that I can handle with the photoshop format because I have
 no photoshop. ;-).

lol, I've taken it to print postcards, thanks a lot :)

Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Flyer for Paris Hackfest

[Sophie]

Le 03/05/2014 10:02, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
 Le Sat, 03 May 2014 08:05:55 +0200,
 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
 Hi K-J
 Le 02/05/2014 19:29, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, Charles,
 Am 01.05.2014 21:08, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
 Le 01/05/2014 17:37, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 30.04.2014 15:52, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 We are organizing a hackfest in Paris on the 27th and 28th of
 June here http://simplon.co/in-english/
 Would it be possible that the team design a flyer like the one
 done for Gran Canaria here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LasPalmasHackfest2014.png

 Do you need a flyer or a banner?
 A banner for Paris [1] is online now [2].

 you rock! thanks so much :) and yes, we need also a Flyer too, so
 if you can make it, that would be really great.

 Starting with Björn's HamburgHackfest2013-Flyer [3] I made one:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HackfestParis2014Flyer.odg

 Please correct it (especially the French) and test the QR-code.

 For the French version I changed the banner in a little way because
 I think all French do know Montreuil.

 Thank you very much for your work! I'll correct the French version and
 will test the QR code later today and then upload the file on the
 wiki. Thanks again :)
 
 
 Indeed, it's great. Should we add the Simplon logo on the logo? They
 gave me their photoshop format version...

It's ok the logo is on it :) So I've corrected the FR version and the QR
is working fine. I've uploaded this version on the wiki.
Thanks a lot again K-J :)
Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Flyer for Paris Hackfest

[Sophie]

Hi K-J
Le 02/05/2014 19:29, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, Charles,
 Am 01.05.2014 21:08, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
 Le 01/05/2014 17:37, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 30.04.2014 15:52, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 We are organizing a hackfest in Paris on the 27th and 28th of June here
 http://simplon.co/in-english/
 Would it be possible that the team design a flyer like the one done for
 Gran Canaria here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LasPalmasHackfest2014.png

 Do you need a flyer or a banner?
 A banner for Paris [1] is online now [2].

 you rock! thanks so much :) and yes, we need also a Flyer too, so if you
 can make it, that would be really great.
 
 Starting with Björn's HamburgHackfest2013-Flyer [3] I made one:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HackfestParis2014Flyer.odg
 
 Please correct it (especially the French) and test the QR-code.
 
 For the French version I changed the banner in a little way because I
 think all French do know Montreuil.

Thank you very much for your work! I'll correct the French version and
will test the QR code later today and then upload the file on the wiki.
Thanks again :)

Cheers
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Flyer for Paris Hackfest

[Sophie]

Hi Klaus-Jürgen,
Le 01/05/2014 17:37, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 Am 30.04.2014 15:52, schrieb Sophie:
 Hi all,

 We are organizing a hackfest in Paris on the 27th and 28th of June here
 http://simplon.co/in-english/
 Would it be possible that the team design a flyer like the one done for
 Gran Canaria here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LasPalmasHackfest2014.png
 
 Do you need a flyer or a banner?
 A banner for Paris [1] is online now [2].

you rock! thanks so much :) and yes, we need also a Flyer too, so if you
can make it, that would be really great.
Thanks a lot!
Sophie


-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Flyer for Paris Hackfest

[Sophie]

Hi all,

We are organizing a hackfest in Paris on the 27th and 28th of June here
http://simplon.co/in-english/
Would it be possible that the team design a flyer like the one done for
Gran Canaria here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LasPalmasHackfest2014.png

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Sophie

-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Membership  Certification Committee Member - Co-founder
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Re: [libreoffice-design] Navigation buttons in 4.3.x

[Sophie]

Hi Jean-Baptiste, all,
Le 28/04/2014 20:23, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
[...]

 Last, could somebody confirm that the Table icon is missing in the
 navigation toolbar?
 
 I confirm.

Thanks! The icon is back in tonight version :)
Cheers
Sophie



-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Navigation buttons in 4.3.x

[Sophie]

Hi all,

I'm testing the Navigation button in the Find bar and have some questions:
Would it be possible to add the navigation labels that were associated
with the elements in the toolbar. Currently it shows next element,
previous element, when it was the selected one.
Also, is it wanted that the Navigator opens at the same time behind the
toolbar?
Last, could somebody confirm that the Table icon is missing in the
navigation toolbar?
I'll open the corresponding bugs.
Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Sophie
-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Membership  Certification Committee Member - Co-founder
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

[libreoffice-design] Re: Impress template for next conf presentations

[Sophie]

Hi all,

So any takers on this template proposal?

Cheers
Sophie

Le 24/03/2014 10:39, Sophie a écrit :
 Hi all,
 
 We need an Impress template for the next conference presentations. You
 can see what has been used in Berlin here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Berlin2012_Conference
 or in Paris here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/SpecialEvents/LibreOffice_Conference_2011_Paris
 
 The official Logo for Bern conference is here
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference
 
 Please note that if you use external pictures, make sure the license is
 conform with our project.
 
 Thanks a lot in advance for your proposal!
 Cheers
 Sophie
 


-- 
Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
Tel:+33683901545
Membership  Certification Committee Member - Co-founder
The Document Foundation

-- 
To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted