Re: AW: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
+1 *Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter* /SimKorp Ltda/ Fone: (51) 3366-7964 Embedded Image /"A mente que se abre a uma nova ideia jamais voltará ao seu tamanho original"/ - Albert Einstein Em 20/12/2017 18:00, Christian Lenz escreveu: In the last days, I see some users commenting on tickets where I vote or where I commented. I got the Information about that, that someone did this. Commenting, resolving, etc. A lot of Bugs are very up to date, like my list of about 150 issues and yes I will migrate all of them to JIRA manually and I guess I’m not the only one with active Bugs. It was an Information to let you know it that this could be a Problem. Cheers Chris Von: Matthias Bläsing Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:47 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz: I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans. I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do. Many bugs are: - orphaned by their creators - had no interested user at all (exception reporter) - are just invalid because the target version is long gone As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a clean start sounds like a good idea. Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
AW: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
In the last days, I see some users commenting on tickets where I vote or where I commented. I got the Information about that, that someone did this. Commenting, resolving, etc. A lot of Bugs are very up to date, like my list of about 150 issues and yes I will migrate all of them to JIRA manually and I guess I’m not the only one with active Bugs. It was an Information to let you know it that this could be a Problem. Cheers Chris Von: Matthias Bläsing Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:47 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz: > I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who > created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans. I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do. Many bugs are: - orphaned by their creators - had no interested user at all (exception reporter) - are just invalid because the target version is long gone As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a clean start sounds like a good idea. Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
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unsubscribe me On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification > anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not > exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket > or someone commented or whatever. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > Von: Bertrand Delacretaz > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > > ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list > should > > *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > > users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > > IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under > http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL. > > See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for > an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate > mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing. > > -Bertrand > >
Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz: > I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who > created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans. I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do. Many bugs are: - orphaned by their creators - had no interested user at all (exception reporter) - are just invalid because the target version is long gone As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a clean start sounds like a good idea. Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans. Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 15:59 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. There's a mailing list that can be subscribed to for all Apache NetBeans GitHub notifications: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15695 Gj On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification > anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not > exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket > or someone commented or whatever. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > Von: Bertrand Delacretaz > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should >> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > > IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under > http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL. > > See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for > an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate > mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing. > > -Bertrand > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
There's a mailing list that can be subscribed to for all Apache NetBeans GitHub notifications: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15695 Gj On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification > anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not > exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket > or someone commented or whatever. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > Von: Bertrand Delacretaz > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should >> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > > IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under > http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL. > > See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for > an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate > mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing. > > -Bertrand > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket or someone commented or whatever. Cheers Chris Von: Bertrand Delacretaz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi, On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should > *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org > otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL. See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing. -Bertrand
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
OK, today's the day the announcement re the end of the NetBeans.org mailing lists is going to go out. Where the announcement will be sent is listed on the same page as where the announcement itself is described: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists For the announcement to the NetBeans.org mailing lists, we're going to put the e-mail address of all the NetBeans.org mailing lists in the BCC of the e-mail and then send it in one go to all of them -- no doubt annoying some percentage of the community, though in the end it's critical that this message is communicated, we're still getting heaps of e-mails daily in all kinds of NetBeans.org mailing lists and that has to stop. Better to get the message across while annoying some people than to not have communicated this clearly enough. And then there'll still be some who won't have got the message and will be annoyed later -- again, the price we pay for being in a project with a 20+ year history with a massive worldwide community, many of whom are simply using NetBeans without being aware at all of the transition to Apache despite our numerous attempts to communicate this. Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 11/27/2017 03:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno > wrote: > >> ...You could request a VM and set up something > >> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :).. > > > > Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as > > a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions? > > > > Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that, > > and how well that works for users? > > I don't know, but I know plenty of people who personally use it as a > sort of forum. It does imitate a forum and allows replying via web, so > it could be a replacement :) We could try promoting it as a forum > replacement. > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org > > > >
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On 11/27/2017 03:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: >> ...You could request a VM and set up something >> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :).. > > Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as > a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions? > > Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that, > and how well that works for users? I don't know, but I know plenty of people who personally use it as a sort of forum. It does imitate a forum and allows replying via web, so it could be a replacement :) We could try promoting it as a forum replacement. > > -Bertrand > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...You could request a VM and set up something > forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :).. Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions? Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that, and how well that works for users? -Bertrand [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...You could request a VM and set up something > forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)... But then the burden of maintaining the forum software is on the PMC, right? Which distracts from their primary mission... -Bertrand
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM Christian Lenz wrote: > I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling > lists, > Also the old mailing lists and forums are synced together .. badly! I'm not sure the number of threads on the forums is a good picture of how active they've actually been. Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
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On 11/27/2017 03:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Right, great. My feeling from other Apache projects is that they're doing > fine without forums -- if that's what we need to do to fit in with Apache, > that's a very small price to pay, I think. While forums are not usually a thing, it's not impossible to get it. OpenOffice runs forums. You could request a VM and set up something forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :) > > Gj > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Christian Lenz > wrote: > >> Hi Geertjan, >> >> I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling >> lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem >> today. >> >> Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you >> know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and >> are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can >> dicuss it on an other thread. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >> >> Von: Geertjan Wielenga >> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12 >> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in >> some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like >> Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes >> not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus >> more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've >> been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to >> compromise -- no forums. >> >> Gj >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz >> wrote: >> >>> I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an >>> Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask >>> questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no >>> replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to >> Apache >>> too? >>> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >>> >>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga >>> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >>> >>> OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org >>> mailing lists: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists >>> >>> There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not >>> everyone will read all of it. :-) >>> >>> We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, >>> we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article >> on >>> JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. >>> >>> And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- >> at >>> some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll >>> still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and >>> that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive >>> worldwide community. >>> >>> Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for >>> final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský >> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz < >> christian.l...@gmx.net >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at >>>>>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, >>>>>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for >>> changes >>>>>> in >>>>>> the tickets. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Right, great. My feeling from other Apache projects is that they're doing fine without forums -- if that's what we need to do to fit in with Apache, that's a very small price to pay, I think. Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > Hi Geertjan, > > I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling > lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem > today. > > Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you > know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and > are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can > dicuss it on an other thread. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > Hi Chris, > > I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in > some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like > Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes > not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus > more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've > been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to > compromise -- no forums. > > Gj > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz > wrote: > > > I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an > > Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask > > questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no > > replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to > Apache > > too? > > > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > > > OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org > > mailing lists: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > > ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > > > There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not > > everyone will read all of it. :-) > > > > We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, > > we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article > on > > JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. > > > > And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- > at > > some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll > > still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and > > that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive > > worldwide community. > > > > Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for > > final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský > > > wrote: > > > > > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > > > > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz < > christian.l...@gmx.net > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at > > >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, > > >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for > > changes > > >>> in > > >>> the tickets. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the > > >> mailing list discussion. > > >> > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > -Jirka > > > > > > Cheers > > >>> > > >>> Chris > > >>> > > >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > >>> > > >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET > > >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 > > >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > >>> > > >>> The email
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Hi Geertjan, I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem today. Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can dicuss it on an other thread. Cheers Chris Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi Chris, I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to compromise -- no forums. Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an > Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask > questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no > replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache > too? > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org > mailing lists: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not > everyone will read all of it. :-) > > We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, > we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on > JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. > > And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at > some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll > still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and > that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive > worldwide community. > > Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for > final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský > wrote: > > > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz > > >> wrote: > >> > >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at > >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, > >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for > changes > >>> in > >>> the tickets. > >>> > >> > >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the > >> mailing list discussion. > >> > > > > +1 > > > > -Jirka > > > > Cheers > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > >>> > >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET > >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 > >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > >>> > >>> The email looks good to me. > >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted > >>> along the same lines? > >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) > >>> > >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the > @ > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in > >>>> > >>> this > >>> > >>>> thread incorporated into it: > >>>> > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC > >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh
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Hi Chris, I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to compromise -- no forums. Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an > Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask > questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no > replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache > too? > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org > mailing lists: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not > everyone will read all of it. :-) > > We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, > we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on > JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. > > And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at > some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll > still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and > that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive > worldwide community. > > Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for > final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský > wrote: > > > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz > > >> wrote: > >> > >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at > >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, > >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for > changes > >>> in > >>> the tickets. > >>> > >> > >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the > >> mailing list discussion. > >> > > > > +1 > > > > -Jirka > > > > Cheers > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > >>> > >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET > >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 > >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > >>> > >>> The email looks good to me. > >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted > >>> along the same lines? > >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) > >>> > >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the > @ > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in > >>>> > >>> this > >>> > >>>> thread incorporated into it: > >>>> > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC > >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2 > >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7 > >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= > >>>> > >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Gj > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > >>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>&
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I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache too? Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org mailing lists: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not everyone will read all of it. :-) We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive worldwide community. Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. Thanks, Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský wrote: > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz >> wrote: >> >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes >>> in >>> the tickets. >>> >> >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the >> mailing list discussion. >> > > +1 > > -Jirka > > Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >>> >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >>> >>> The email looks good to me. >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted >>> along the same lines? >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) >>> >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in >>>> >>> this >>> >>>> thread incorporated into it: >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2 >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7 >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= >>>> >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Gj >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>>>>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. >>>>>> >>>>> org >>> >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good point, thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint. >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1 >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_A
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OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org mailing lists: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not everyone will read all of it. :-) We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive worldwide community. Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. Thanks, Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský wrote: > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz >> wrote: >> >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes >>> in >>> the tickets. >>> >> >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the >> mailing list discussion. >> > > +1 > > -Jirka > > Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 >>> >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. >>> >>> The email looks good to me. >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted >>> along the same lines? >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) >>> >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in >>>> >>> this >>> >>>> thread incorporated into it: >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2 >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7 >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= >>>> >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Gj >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>>>>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. >>>>>> >>>>> org >>> >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good point, thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint. >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1 >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9- >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=. >>>>>> >>>>> html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >>> >>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a >>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R >>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I >>>>&g
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Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in the tickets. I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the mailing list discussion. +1 -Jirka Cheers Chris Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Ludovic HOCHET Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. The email looks good to me. By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted along the same lines? (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this thread incorporated into it: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists Thanks, Gj On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. org otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... Good point, thanks. Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=. html?us...@netbeans.apache.org and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e= All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new users easily will get lost. Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m3KydznZXgUGxo&e= Gj I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... Ate On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing Lists and Forum" Text: “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those using the NetBea
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Antonio wrote: > Hi, > > Users seem to be confused about where to report issues. > > Maybe it's a good idea to add a link to the new JIRA issue system too. > > Good idea. Will add that. Gj > Cheers, > Antonio > > El 23/11/17 a las 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga escribió: > >> Hi all, >> >> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing >> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org >> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on >> the >> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have >> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the >> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next >> week. >> >> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing >> >>> Lists and Forum" >>> >>> Text: >>> >>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, >>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. >>> You >>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for >>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. >>> >>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, >>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived >>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where >>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, >>> and >>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( >>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( >>> us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. >>> >> >> >> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, >>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those >>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use >>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too >>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a >>> separate >>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache >>> NetBeans >>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the >>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to >>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. >>> >>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., >>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that >>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. >>> >>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re >>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ >>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Geertjan & Jirka >>> >>> >> >> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ >> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gj and Jirka >> >>
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at > least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, > because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in > the tickets. > I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the mailing list discussion. Gj > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > Von: Ludovic HOCHET > Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > The email looks good to me. > By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted > along the same lines? > (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) > > On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ > > netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in > this > > thread incorporated into it: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > >> > >>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list > >>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > >>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. > org > >>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > >>> > >> > >> > >> Good point, thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail > >>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list. > html?us...@netbeans.apache.org > >>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org > >>> > >>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but > >>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new > >>> users easily will get lost. > >>> > >> > >> > >> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate > >> > >> Gj > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also > because > >>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download > >>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... > >>> > >>> Ate > >>> > >>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org > mailing > >>>> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other > netbeans.org > >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans > on > >>>> the > >>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have > >>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send > >>>> the > >>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of > next > >>>> week. > >>>> > >>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org > Mailing > >>>> > >>>>> Lists and Forum" > >>>>> > >>>>> Text: > >>>>> > >>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, > >>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git > already. > >>>>> You > >>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for > >>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. > >>>>> > >>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January > 1st, > >>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are > >>>>> archived > >>>>> at netbeans.markma
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi, Users seem to be confused about where to report issues. Maybe it's a good idea to add a link to the new JIRA issue system too. Cheers, Antonio El 23/11/17 a las 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga escribió: Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing Lists and Forum" Text: “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. Kind regards, Geertjan & Jirka Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka
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IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in the tickets. Cheers Chris Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Ludovic HOCHET Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. The email looks good to me. By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted along the same lines? (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this > thread incorporated into it: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >> >>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>> >> >> >> Good point, thanks. >> >> >> >>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org >>> >>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but >>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new >>> users easily will get lost. >>> >> >> >> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate >> >> Gj >> >> >> >>> >>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because >>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download >>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... >>> >>> Ate >>> >>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing >>>> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on >>>> the >>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have >>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send >>>> the >>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next >>>> week. >>>> >>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing >>>> >>>>> Lists and Forum" >>>>> >>>>> Text: >>>>> >>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, >>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. >>>>> You >>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for >>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. >>>>> >>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, >>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are >>>>> archived >>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where >>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, >>>>> and >>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( >>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( >>>>> us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, >>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those >>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will >>>>> use >
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
The email looks good to me. By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted along the same lines? (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this > thread incorporated into it: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >> >>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>> >> >> >> Good point, thanks. >> >> >> >>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org >>> >>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but >>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new >>> users easily will get lost. >>> >> >> >> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate >> >> Gj >> >> >> >>> >>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because >>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download >>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... >>> >>> Ate >>> >>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >>> Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing > Lists and Forum" > > Text: > > “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, > you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. > You > should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for > purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. > > By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, > 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are > archived > at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where > possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, > and > everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( > dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( > us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. > Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, > JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those > using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will > use > the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that > too > many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a > separate > Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache > NetBeans > @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the > development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to > promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. > > Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., > forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for > that > — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. > > Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re > encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. > > Kind regards, > > Geertjan & Jirka > > Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka >> -- Ludovic - "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..." Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup) [The shapes that diff
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The email looks good. The end of an era for sure...but just the beginning of a new one. Josh Juneau > On Nov 26, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this > thread incorporated into it: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >>> >>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >>> >> >> >> Good point, thanks. >> >> >> >>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org >>> >>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but >>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new >>> users easily will get lost. >>> >> >> >> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate >> >> Gj >> >> >> >>> >>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because >>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download >>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... >>> >>> Ate >>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing > Lists and Forum" > > Text: > > “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, > you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. > You > should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for > purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. > > By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, > 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are > archived > at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where > possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, > and > everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( > dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( > us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. > Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, > JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those > using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will > use > the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that > too > many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a > separate > Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache > NetBeans > @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the > development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to > promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. > > Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., > forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for > that > — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. > > Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re > encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. > > Kind regards, > > Geertjan & Jirka > > Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka >>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this thread incorporated into it: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists Thanks, Gj On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > >> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list >> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to >> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... >> > > > Good point, thanks. > > > >> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail >> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org >> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but >> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new >> users easily will get lost. >> > > > Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate > > Gj > > > >> >> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because >> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download >> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... >> >> Ate >> >> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing >>> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org >>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on >>> the >>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have >>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send >>> the >>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next >>> week. >>> >>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing >>> Lists and Forum" Text: “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. >>> >>> >>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. Kind regards, Geertjan & Jirka >>> >>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ >>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Gj and Jirka >>> >>> >
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should > *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org > otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > Good point, thanks. > Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail > archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org > and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org > > All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but > as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new > users easily will get lost. > Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate Gj > > I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because > otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download > links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... > > Ate > > On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing >> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org >> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on >> the >> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have >> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the >> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next >> week. >> >> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing >> >>> Lists and Forum" >>> >>> Text: >>> >>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, >>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. >>> You >>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for >>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. >>> >>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, >>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived >>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where >>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, >>> and >>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( >>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( >>> us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. >>> >> >> >> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, >>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those >>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use >>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too >>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a >>> separate >>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache >>> NetBeans >>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the >>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to >>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. >>> >>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., >>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that >>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. >>> >>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re >>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ >>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Geertjan & Jirka >>> >>> >> >> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ >> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gj and Jirka >> >>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi, On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should > *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org > otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL. See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing. -Bertrand
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@netbeans.apache.org and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@netbeans.apache.org All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new users easily will get lost. I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases... Ate On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing Lists and Forum" Text: “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. Kind regards, Geertjan & Jirka Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka
RE: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi, +1 Maybe we can tell to put a prefix tag in subjet like the NetCat one. Regards -Message d'origine- De : Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com] Envoyé : jeudi 23 novembre 2017 12:06 À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Objet : Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing > Lists and Forum" > > Text: > > “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, > you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git > already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at > Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache > NetBeans. > > By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January > 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are > archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org > will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans > mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache > NetBeans @dev ( > dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( > us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. > Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, > JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as > those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, > will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns > out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user > mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created > for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for > those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans > itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via > events and tutorials, etc. > > Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., > forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for > that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. > > Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re > encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. > > Kind regards, > > Geertjan & Jirka > Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 12:17:47 +0100, Delfi Ramirez wrote: +1 +1 -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. "We make Java work. Everywhere." http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
+1 On 23/11/2017 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing Lists and Forum" Text: “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. Kind regards, Geertjan & Jirka Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi all, We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing > Lists and Forum" > > Text: > > “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process, > you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You > should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for > purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans. > > By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st, > 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived > at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where > possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and > everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( > dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( > us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. > Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java, > JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those > using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use > the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too > many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate > Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans > @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the > development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to > promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. > > Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., > forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that > — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. > > Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re > encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @ > netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. > > Kind regards, > > Geertjan & Jirka > Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. Thanks, Gj and Jirka
