Re: How does the SW works?
Please also build debug version for desktop, sfx2, svx modules. Assume you are working with VS. Break at somewhere and take a look at the call stacks. You will find clue about main. There is a drawdlg.cxx under sw\source\ui\shells. Set a break point in it. Then try to active related dialog in Writer. You will learn more about how it works. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM, linhary chenqiangd...@foxmail.com wrote: Dear all: I'm a Linhary from China .i have already compile the whole modules of the Openoffice.org;yeah, it almost cost me four days to compile completely. And i have compiled the SW module with debug information in its dll. but its codes is too large ! and it seems doesn't like the Programs in Windows that have a WinMain function and post the message to handle the events ,oh,feel confused about it . Would someone help me about this? How is the SW module start from ?where is main function?or how it works ? or where can i get more information about it? thanks a lot; by Linhary -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/How-does-the-SW-works-tp4636566.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [IMPORTANT, DISCUSS]: no migration/use of former user profile with AOO 4.0
On 1/13/13 8:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 10/01/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: Le 10/01/2013 13:57, Rob Weir a écrit : If we have not figured out exactly what causes the current OOo 3.3.0 - AOO 3.4.x profile migration problems, how are we certain that these problems will not come back when we migrate AOO 4.0 to AOO 4.1 ??? Between 3.3.1 and 3.4.1 we changed (twice) the way the profile is stored, first removing a dependency on BerkeleyDB and then reducing the profile size by not putting a copy of shared extensions there. If we don't do incompatible changes again, we remove this type of risks. Is it technically possible to move to a text-based profile, maybe something in XML format? Or must it be binary? If we could use a text-based profile then it would be easier to support users. If something goes wrong it would be easier to debug, and easier to fix. It would also be good for admins, since they could then push out profile changes to their users. the configuration files are xml, the extensions were managed for whatever reason with berkeley db but it is changed now as well. Juergen -Rob Even a brand new install leads to profile corruption rather quickly (especially under XP). I've seen it happen when one tries to keep both 3.3 and 3.4 installed, with a setup /a for example. The two, unless he takes care of customizing it in the INI files, will try to use the same profile folder. The first run of 3.4 will convert it to the 3.4 format, then if you run 3.3 again you will break it. This is of course an unsupported configuration, but it might explain why people who see 3.4.1 working smoothly suddenly find it broken. I'm not implying that this covers all the cases you report, but it could be responsible for a part of them. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice
Hi, On 11.01.2013 15:06, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: Hi Oliver-Rainer, On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - see issue 121388. Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact on the following important and critical stuff: - folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names and values - ... As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over. for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and values? Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint, hint, hint :-) Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made. The product installation folder is more or less a form of the $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3 - Linux: apache_openoffice3 On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version number]/ The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/ I hope that helps a little bit. I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the menu... We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply OpenOffice Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice 4 Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ... Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache OpenOffice. Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but it have to checked to be safe. What's your opinion? I think this is a good idea. I think other Apache project do the same - as Dave already pointed out. When I did the intrinsic renaming I was not making up my mind too deeply. I had more concerns on finishing the renaming ;-) I would volunteer to provide a patch for adapting the naming from Apache OpenOffice to OpenOffice. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice
Hi, On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: Hi Oliver-Rainer, On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - see issue 121388. Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact on the following important and critical stuff: - folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names and values - ... As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over. for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and values? Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint, hint, hint :-) Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made. The product installation folder is more or less a form of the $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3 - Linux: apache_openoffice3 On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version number]/ The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/ I hope that helps a little bit. I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the menu... We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply OpenOffice Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice 4 Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ... Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache OpenOffice. Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but it have to checked to be safe. What's your opinion? In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher attention of the open source product. And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@. If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on certain pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/ We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions. As you might have seen, I also changed OpenOffice.org website to Apache OpenOffice website in some place of the help content. Dave, do you think we should keep OpenOffice.org in such cases? Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [WEBSITE] broken link on mac porting page
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I could see /platforms/mac if we imagine creating in the future similar landing pages for Windows or Linux. Note that today, a query of OpenOffice for Linux has this ancient page as a #1 hit: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/setup-linux.html And the #1 hit for OpenOffice for Windows is not even at our website. It goes to CNet's download.com page. Very interesting. Indeed this could also be the way to catch users who look for OpenOffice Portable, for example, and should know that we do have a (third-party, from winPenPack) version available; they are now offered an ancient version since OpenOffice Portable has not been updated yet. The updated version is not on the first page of search results. Exactly. In the last month we've seen the following related queries: openoffice portable 2,500 open office portable1,000 openoffice portable italiano150 apache openoffice portable 16 portable90 openoffice portable download16 portable openoffice 12 openofficeportable 10 office portable 10 openoffice portable日本語版 10 openoffice portable 3.4 10 openoffice 3.4 portable 10 openoffice portable deutsch 10 openoffice.org portable 日本語版10 portable open office10 openoffice.org portable 10 openoffice portable 日本語 10 For many of these queries the #1 page is the German page: http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/oooportable.html. That is not the optimal page for most of these queries. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: Re: Re:Re: project Volunteer
Hi Yi: Sorry I missed you mail before. The tools you have are already enough for debugging and development in AOO now. I agree that AOO is different from the COMMON projects for some cross-platform reason, but trust me, it is not hard to get it in your hand. When you trying to start with the source codes, I suggest you that not to envolve all the source codes debugged together, for 2 reasons, 1, commonly it is not necessary; 2, it is too slow anyway; Indicate your question that where should be the first point to get in, with the wiki page I recommended you, I also suggest you add tracking point in the construction method of key classes, SwDoc/SwDocShell for example. And the SwNodes initialization and operation also would be a good hint for you to reach the performing on node list inside SW module. I am so happy to working with all community guys especially with the new comers like you. So feel free for any detailed questions. ZhengFan 2013/1/8 2 laoyi...@126.com Fan Zheng, I got my own build on Windows XP, with MSVC++ 2008 Express. If I wanna modify the souce code, which tools do I need? VC++2008 is enough? Which tools do you use in your development? I do not kown how to open the whole project source code, whether I need do that ? I don't kown How to start in the code and debug the code if I change, and how to submit the code to community? Because openoffice source code project is different from the conventional project. Shenfeng told me that you have a lot of experience on Writer, so I think you can tell me more details, thanks all of you Yi At 2013-01-07 21:31:53,Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome in anytime. 2013/1/7 2 laoyi...@126.com Hi Fan Zheng, Thank you for your help! I am so luck to get the link: wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer, it is very useful, I will read it throughly,I will ask you If I have questions Kind regards Yi At 2013-01-07 11:40:38,Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: So happy that got a new comer from China, and interested in SW! I encourage you take a look on the WIKI page about the technical design of SW, which maybe helping you understanding the whole stuff. But occasionally, the AOO WIKI will be unavailable, so good luck… Here is the link: wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer. Follow the describes of the issue you picked up, I guess the issue is related to the document nodes arrangement, for you reference. Thanks! 在 2013/1/7 10:49 AM，2 laoyi...@126.com写道： Hi Regina, I am interested in Bug 97481 -Undo on sorting in nesed tables crashes Writer Kind regards Yi At 2013-01-07 07:00:43,Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Yi, 2 schrieb: Hello All, My name is Yi, from China, interested in joining the opensource community to gain some experience. My interest lies in C++. I have got my own build on Windows XP with a MSVC 2008 Express .I am interested in Writer. What can I do next? You can look into Bugzilla [1], whether there is a bug, that you are interested in. Use the 'Advanced search'. You can narrow the search by project word processor and by a component. Severity should be 'trivial' or 'minor', so that there is no pressure to fix it. The status should be 'Confirmed', so that you are sure it is really a bug and not an user error. You can also use 'Accepted', if the last activity is more than two years ago, because that was before the move to Apache. If you have found one (or more) issues you are interested in, then tell it here. The experienced developers can likely judge, whether such b ug is suitable to begin and they can give you a hint, where to start in the code. We have quite recently introduced a category Difficulty, so there are only few issues at all already sort in and therefore easy has only few bugs. If it need not be Writer, you might find suitable issues via this category too. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/query.cgi
Re: Re: Re:Re: project Volunteer
Hi, Yi: For the modification submitting stuff: 1. Find out the root cause of an issue; 2. Try to give a workable and nice solution for it; 3. Do some verification test on the solution by your self; 4. Prepare a short technical description about the issue, like why it happens, when it happens and what is your solutions; 5. Attach a patch inside the bugzilla with above description as comments, and mark it to ? for requesting review; Thanks a lot! 2013/1/14 Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com Hi Yi: Sorry I missed you mail before. The tools you have are already enough for debugging and development in AOO now. I agree that AOO is different from the COMMON projects for some cross-platform reason, but trust me, it is not hard to get it in your hand. When you trying to start with the source codes, I suggest you that not to envolve all the source codes debugged together, for 2 reasons, 1, commonly it is not necessary; 2, it is too slow anyway; Indicate your question that where should be the first point to get in, with the wiki page I recommended you, I also suggest you add tracking point in the construction method of key classes, SwDoc/SwDocShell for example. And the SwNodes initialization and operation also would be a good hint for you to reach the performing on node list inside SW module. I am so happy to working with all community guys especially with the new comers like you. So feel free for any detailed questions. ZhengFan 2013/1/8 2 laoyi...@126.com Fan Zheng, I got my own build on Windows XP, with MSVC++ 2008 Express. If I wanna modify the souce code, which tools do I need? VC++2008 is enough? Which tools do you use in your development? I do not kown how to open the whole project source code, whether I need do that ? I don't kown How to start in the code and debug the code if I change, and how to submit the code to community? Because openoffice source code project is different from the conventional project. Shenfeng told me that you have a lot of experience on Writer, so I think you can tell me more details, thanks all of you Yi At 2013-01-07 21:31:53,Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome in anytime. 2013/1/7 2 laoyi...@126.com Hi Fan Zheng, Thank you for your help! I am so luck to get the link: wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer, it is very useful, I will read it throughly,I will ask you If I have questions Kind regards Yi At 2013-01-07 11:40:38,Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: So happy that got a new comer from China, and interested in SW! I encourage you take a look on the WIKI page about the technical design of SW, which maybe helping you understanding the whole stuff. But occasionally, the AOO WIKI will be unavailable, so good luck… Here is the link: wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer. Follow the describes of the issue you picked up, I guess the issue is related to the document nodes arrangement, for you reference. Thanks! 在 2013/1/7 10:49 AM，2 laoyi...@126.com写道： Hi Regina, I am interested in Bug 97481 -Undo on sorting in nesed tables crashes Writer Kind regards Yi At 2013-01-07 07:00:43,Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Yi, 2 schrieb: Hello All, My name is Yi, from China, interested in joining the opensource community to gain some experience. My interest lies in C++. I have got my own build on Windows XP with a MSVC 2008 Express .I am interested in Writer. What can I do next? You can look into Bugzilla [1], whether there is a bug, that you are interested in. Use the 'Advanced search'. You can narrow the search by project word processor and by a component. Severity should be 'trivial' or 'minor', so that there is no pressure to fix it. The status should be 'Confirmed', so that you are sure it is really a bug and not an user error. You can also use 'Accepted', if the last activity is more than two years ago, because that was before the move to Apache. If you have found one (or more) issues you are interested in, then tell it here. The experienced developers can likely judge, whether such b ug is suitable to begin and they can give you a hint, where to start in the code. We have quite recently introduced a category Difficulty, so there are only few issues at all already sort in and therefore easy has only few bugs. If it need not be Writer, you might find suitable issues via this category too. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/query.cgi
OO
How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable.
Re: OO
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Don Warne forcetenfswo...@live.co.ukwrote: How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable. Please unsubscribe sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.organd confirm. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice at FOSDEM 2013
Sylvain DENIS wrote: I have printed 300 folders in French ;) (250 B/W 50 colors) Thank you both! I'm collecting information about flyers at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/FOSDEM+2013+Organization An English version would be next, possibly starting from the Dutch ODT file and keeping the German and French PDF versions for reference. Anyone willing to do the first step? Of course we can then ask native speakers to proofread it. Regards, Andrea.
Re: OO
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Don Warne forcetenfswo...@live.co.ukwrote: How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable. Please unsubscribe sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.organd confirm. Just to clarify...Did you mean how can you stop it from trying to autocomplete words for you? Don
Re: OO
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Don Warne forcetenfswo...@live.co.uk wrote: How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable. Please unsubscribe sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.organd confirm. Just to clarify...Did you mean how can you stop it from trying to autocomplete words for you? I think we are talking about different things here. Don -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OO
Am 14.01.2013 17:30, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Don Warne forcetenfswo...@live.co.uk wrote: How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable. Please unsubscribe sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.organd confirm. Just to clarify...Did you mean how can you stop it from trying to autocomplete words for you? I think we are talking about different things here. That may be right. Actually, I understood Don Warne's message the way Donald did. I think he meant that OO is useless for him and he wasn't talking about the mailing list. He'd better come back to us and explain what he actually means or we'll have to continue guessing, as his message is not very clear. Max Don
Re: Apache OpenOffice at FOSDEM 2013
I'll translate the Dutch flyer today and upload it to the wiki. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: Sylvain DENIS wrote: I have printed 300 folders in French ;) (250 B/W 50 colors) Thank you both! I'm collecting information about flyers at https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** FOSDEM+2013+Organizationhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/FOSDEM+2013+Organization An English version would be next, possibly starting from the Dutch ODT file and keeping the German and French PDF versions for reference. Anyone willing to do the first step? Of course we can then ask native speakers to proofread it. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Apache OpenOffice at FOSDEM 2013
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:18:03 + Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: I've translated the first page of the French flyer and will send it to you now, off list. Chop and change as you think fit. No time today to tackle the second side, so glad you are doing it. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: (Draft) Introduction to Development module
On 14 January 2013 20:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html The idea here is to have a dev-focused introduction page that works along side the similar pages we have for Marketing and QA. This is the first draft. I already see a few typos, so don't worry about those. But I am looking for more content. I like the idea that we have a document like this, a few remarks to content: - The building guide you refer to is outdated (see first line), and many of the other building guides are not complete. - since not all programmers are fluent in all languages, it would be nice to have a list of which languages are used where...otherwise it becomes complicated to pick an easy task. - It would also be nice to give a short introduction to debugging, which is far from easy (again split on languages/tools). rgds Jan I What else should we put here? Any other links? Any other startup tasks? -Rob
Re: file extender odm conflict
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:09:15 -0800 Toby Fouks tfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I have just had to uninstall open office because downloads from overdrive [public library audio books] are also odm files, and there appeared now way to have the overdrive media console open up -- the defaults [Win 7] were correct but the system automatically wanted to create open office files. This is why I've had to uninstall a very good word processor. I don't know what the solution is ... unless using a flash drive or external hard drive will solve the problem. You could leave OpenOffice installed, byt change the File Association for .odm files. Right click on an overdrive .odm file, select Open with from the popup menu and scroll down the list until you see the overdrive application. Select this. At the window bottom should be a link to say always open with this application (or words to that effect. Now .odm files will open in Overdrive. If you need to open an OpenOffice .odm file, you can do this the long way by /File /Open and point to the .odm file while in OpenOffice. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: (Draft) Introduction to Development module
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:21 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 14 January 2013 20:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html The idea here is to have a dev-focused introduction page that works along side the similar pages we have for Marketing and QA. This is the first draft. I already see a few typos, so don't worry about those. But I am looking for more content. I like the idea that we have a document like this, a few remarks to content: - The building guide you refer to is outdated (see first line), and many of the other building guides are not complete. Is there a building guide that is more up to date than the one I linked to? - since not all programmers are fluent in all languages, it would be nice to have a list of which languages are used where...otherwise it becomes complicated to pick an easy task. Maybe when someone marks an issue as an easy task they add a comment in Bugzilla giving some hints like where to start looking, etc. - It would also be nice to give a short introduction to debugging, which is far from easy (again split on languages/tools). I'd love to have that information, if anyone has a link? But I think that is the catch-22: Our dev doc is poor, but it takes volunteer dev time to improve the doc. But we need more volunteers. And that requires good doc. So maybe this becomes a bootstrapping process, where we gather feedback from the initial dev volunteers and use that to improve the doc. In any case, I don't have the deep knowledge here. I'm mainly helping gather it into one place in a consumable form. So improving this will require help from a veteran developer, either up front, or later after answering repeated questions on the mailing list. Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I What else should we put here? Any other links? Any other startup tasks? -Rob
Mwiki possible name change.
Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org, but there are no guarantees. I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I.
Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
Here is a message on the forum about the necessity to have a login to view the list of the bug fixes: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=58749 Indeed, why is it mandatory to have an account to view the bug list? This is not user-friendly. Can the policy be changed? Hagar
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
Hello Jan; I would think that as long as the old wiki.openoffice.org redirects to the new site there should be no problem. We are certainly proud to be under the Apache domain. Pedro. Da: janI j...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 14 Gennaio 2013 15:09 Oggetto: Mwiki possible name change. Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org, but there are no guarantees. I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I.
Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
Easy solution. make an account anonymous with a easy password, and publish that...nearly as good as not needing to login. rgds Jan I. On 14 January 2013 21:57, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Hagar; It's not a policy, it's simply the way bugzilla works. A developer (hi hdu@ :) recently wrote a nice script that crosschecks bugzilla issues with commits so the situation will improve greatly in the near future. Pedro. Da: Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 14 Gennaio 2013 15:42 Oggetto: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed? Here is a message on the forum about the necessity to have a login to view the list of the bug fixes: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=58749 Indeed, why is it mandatory to have an account to view the bug list? This is not user-friendly. Can the policy be changed? Hagar
Re: OO / unsubscribed posters
Again, few had noticed that OP was not subscribed. There had been talks some weeks ago about changing the headers to make a dedicated one for moderated messages since the delivered-to header was not designed to be used more than once in a message. But no change after the list address change. Could it be a priority for the near future to improve (very) new users experience? Hagar Le 14/01/2013 17:39, Max Merbald a écrit : Am 14.01.2013 17:30, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Don Warne forcetenfswo...@live.co.uk wrote: How can I stop it writing my letters for me. It doesn’t know what I want to say! For me it is totally unusable. Please unsubscribe sending an email to dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.organd confirm. Just to clarify...Did you mean how can you stop it from trying to autocomplete words for you? I think we are talking about different things here. That may be right. Actually, I understood Don Warne's message the way Donald did. I think he meant that OO is useless for him and he wasn't talking about the mailing list. He'd better come back to us and explain what he actually means or we'll have to continue guessing, as his message is not very clear. Max Don
Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
Thanks Pedro. Whatever the reason is (policy or design), it is a rather strange concept (to hide searches). But if change is to come soon, then wait and see. Hagar Le 14/01/2013 21:57, Pedro Giffuni a écrit : Hi Hagar; It's not a policy, it's simply the way bugzilla works. A developer (hi hdu@ :) recently wrote a nice script that crosschecks bugzilla issues with commits so the situation will improve greatly in the near future. Pedro. Da: Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 14 Gennaio 2013 15:42 Oggetto: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed? Here is a message on the forum about the necessity to have a login to view the list of the bug fixes: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=58749 Indeed, why is it mandatory to have an account to view the bug list? This is not user-friendly. Can the policy be changed? Hagar
Re: file extender odm conflict
FW to OP, not subscribed... Hagar Le 14/01/2013 20:42, Rory O'Farrell a écrit : On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:09:15 -0800 Toby Fouks tfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I have just had to uninstall open office because downloads from overdrive [public library audio books] are also odm files, and there appeared now way to have the overdrive media console open up -- the defaults [Win 7] were correct but the system automatically wanted to create open office files. This is why I've had to uninstall a very good word processor. I don't know what the solution is ... unless using a flash drive or external hard drive will solve the problem. You could leave OpenOffice installed, byt change the File Association for .odm files. Right click on an overdrive .odm file, select Open with from the popup menu and scroll down the list until you see the overdrive application. Select this. At the window bottom should be a link to say always open with this application (or words to that effect. Now .odm files will open in Overdrive. If you need to open an OpenOffice .odm file, you can do this the long way by /File /Open and point to the .odm file while in OpenOffice.
Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
The solution is already found on the Forum. Here is a shortened version of the long unsaved version. http://s.apache.org/xLN Regards, Dave On Jan 14, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi - Works for me without login: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=junk That's a quick search query. Try a saved search, like: http://s.apache.org/Huv -Rob Regards, Dave On Jan 14, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hmm... could be used for spamming. Maybe it's policy after all. There are some saved queries and reports that are quite expensive, computationally. Cross-tabulations, etc., and they take several seconds for me to run them. So perhaps they want to avoid a DoS attack based on a trivial wget of an expensive query URL? -Rob cheers, Pedro. Da: janI j...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 14 Gennaio 2013 16:10 Oggetto: Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed? Easy solution. make an account anonymous with a easy password, and publish that...nearly as good as not needing to login. rgds Jan I. On 14 January 2013 21:57, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Hagar; It's not a policy, it's simply the way bugzilla works. A developer (hi hdu@ :) recently wrote a nice script that crosschecks bugzilla issues with commits so the situation will improve greatly in the near future. Pedro. Da: Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Lunedì 14 Gennaio 2013 15:42 Oggetto: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed? Here is a message on the forum about the necessity to have a login to view the list of the bug fixes: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=58749 Indeed, why is it mandatory to have an account to view the bug list? This is not user-friendly. Can the policy be changed? Hagar
Re: [IMPORTANT, DISCUSS]: no migration/use of former user profile with AOO 4.0
Le 14/01/2013 12:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann a écrit : Does exist a description (may be inclusive a blob of the former user profile) to reproduce the problem? Sadly, no. XP seems the version where it occurs the most. Next time I'll try to make a copy of the whole profile. Hagar
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things up is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra), confuses the hell out of Google Analytics. I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki). That's my ideal. Is it impossible? I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org, but there are no guarantees. Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the certificate. Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain? Regards, -Rob I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I.
Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
Le 14/01/2013 22:35, Dave Fisher a écrit : OK. On the wiki page change the bugzilla search to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?namedcmd=Resolved341ReleaseBlocker No login required. This returns more than 500 hits. Here is the link found by acknak on the forum: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/query.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDf0=OPf1=OPf2=flagtypes.namef3=flagtypes.namef4=bug_severityf5=CPf6=CPj1=ORo2=equalso3=equalsquery_format=advancedv2=3.4.1_release_blocker%2Bv3=3.4.1_release_blocker%3F Hagar
Re: Bug list in release notes: why bugzilla account needed?
On 01/14/2013 01:55 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: Le 14/01/2013 22:35, Dave Fisher a écrit : OK. On the wiki page change the bugzilla search to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?namedcmd=Resolved341ReleaseBlocker No login required. This returns more than 500 hits. Here is the link found by acknak on the forum: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/query.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDf0=OPf1=OPf2=flagtypes.namef3=flagtypes.namef4=bug_severityf5=CPf6=CPj1=ORo2=equalso3=equalsquery_format=advancedv2=3.4.1_release_blocker%2Bv3=3.4.1_release_blocker%3F Hagar Hi -- with the above link, I require no login and get 69 entries returned. I have no explanation concerning my good luck, but this is my experience. I do recall the required login situation from a few months back, however. So, maybe something HAS changed with BZ. We may need more experimenters to ascertain this, or not as the case may be. I'm on Linux with Firefox 18.0 -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things up is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra), confuses the hell out of Google Analytics. I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki). That's my ideal. Is it impossible? it is highly possible. I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki side have volunteered. I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org , but there are no guarantees. Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the certificate. Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain? for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even though apache.org is a wildcard. latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least can get a stable server. Regards, -Rob I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I.
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things up is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra), confuses the hell out of Google Analytics. I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki). That's my ideal. Is it impossible? it is highly possible. I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki side have volunteered. Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present set of activities. I meant longer term it would be good to get under a single domain. -Rob I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org , but there are no guarantees. Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the certificate. Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain? for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even though apache.org is a wildcard. latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least can get a stable server. Regards, -Rob I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I.
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
On 01/14/2013 01:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra regarding the use of wiki.openoffice.org or wiki.openoffice.apache.org Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I did, with great help from many in here. After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very positive) and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources. It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky due to the state (and documentation) of the installation. I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer the live site. At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http. Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers) should be done through https. Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is whether *.openoffice.org is really needed or if *.openoffice.apache.org would be ok. If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address https: wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org. IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. Ok, maybe I'm confused here, but I think Jan is saying users would still connect to http:wiki.openoffice.org but be transferred to https: ooo-wiki.openoffice.org. Well, OK, this really IS a renaming, actually creating a new host I guess, but, I'm not sure I see the problem here. I think we should be looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things up is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra), confuses the hell out of Google Analytics. Oh OK, well this makes all kind of sense. :} I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki). That's my ideal. Is it impossible? I wouldn't think so. Maybe we need to wait to see what develops with the wiki situation, then go from there after the fact. and a ps. Yes, ANYTHING requiring a log in should be https. I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy, very important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org, but there are no guarantees. Well we would still do redirects for the old name. Not much to worry about there. Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the certificate. Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain? If we are, this should be changed also. Regards, -Rob I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a url name change, without having a green light from the AOO community. Meaning that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating. I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that, the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced. I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others, but I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community can accept. Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on behalf of Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra). Rgds jan I. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Mwiki possible name change.
janI wrote:
I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to make a
clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done that,
the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced.
Really? Don't worry, it has been under discussion for months, you aren't
the culprit, see here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5450
I would prefer to acquire a certificate for *.openoffice.org here, since
it will solve other problems too (see issue).
And I would keep the wiki.openoffice.org URL, since we tend to be
consistent with it for all user resources:
{www,wiki,forum,extensions,templates}.openoffice.org
and it also sounds more natural; while of course it's absolutely fine
for me to use *.openoffice.apache.org for all sites that are meant to be
useful mostly to project members.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: OO / unsubscribed posters
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Hagar Delest wrote: Again, few had noticed that OP was not subscribed. There had been talks some weeks ago about changing the headers to make a dedicated one for moderated messages since the delivered-to header was not designed to be used more than once in a message. But no change after the list address change. Could it be a priority for the near future to improve (very) new users experience? It has been a priority of mine, but the results are not encouraging. A couple months ago, in November, I contacted Infra to find out whether this was feasible and it isn't. These are the three options I gave them: a) Adding an X-Apache-moderated: yes header or similar when a message is held for moderation (Delivered-To will occur multiple times and won't work) b) adding a [moderated] tag at the end of the subject c) setting Reply-To to list+sender instead of list only in this case Neither of this is feasible with ezmlm-idx, the software we are using. Well, it's software, then... I subscribed the ezmlm-idx list, and I sent a similar request to them. You can see it here: http://lists.untroubled.org/?list=ezmlmcmd=monthbythreadmonth=201212 (you can see only the title at the moment because their site crashes, but needless to say I got no answers). Thanks for tracking down a definitive answer for that. We do, however, have one option, a more extreme one. That would be to disallow posts from non-subscribers altogether. So keep the dev list for subscribers only and get on with our work. And use another list, like users, where anyone can post. Then the expectations are clear on that list: safer to always cc the poster. We do that 100% of the time. Or you could even have a new list dedicated to simple one-time queries that we use for that kind of thing. Weird, but it might work. Or less weird -- what if we had a script that parsed through the mbox files on a daily (weekly?) basis and flagged all responses to mess from non-subscribers? It might even be possible to then automatically forward such responses. -Rob So, to the best of my knowledge and effort, we can't improve this situation. Of course, if somebody wants to submit a patch to ezmlm-idx this might be better received than my request, but the latest release of ezmlm-idx dates a few years back... The best advice I can give at the moment is to use Reply All when someone is clearly new here. Regards, Andrea.
net installs?
OK, a quick question and I know this is probably not the right list. :/ Is the information in this older document concerning net installs still valid? http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: (Draft) Introduction to Development module
On 01/14/2013 11:50 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:21 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 14 January 2013 20:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html The idea here is to have a dev-focused introduction page that works along side the similar pages we have for Marketing and QA. This is the first draft. I already see a few typos, so don't worry about those. But I am looking for more content. I like the idea that we have a document like this, a few remarks to content: - The building guide you refer to is outdated (see first line), and many of the other building guides are not complete. Is there a building guide that is more up to date than the one I linked to? We were just discussing this a day or so ago. The information from the Developer Snapshot cwiki page toward the bottom: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1 needs to be added to the wiki build info, so the wiki build info is not complete. see below for more... - since not all programmers are fluent in all languages, it would be nice to have a list of which languages are used where...otherwise it becomes complicated to pick an easy task. Maybe when someone marks an issue as an easy task they add a comment in Bugzilla giving some hints like where to start looking, etc. - It would also be nice to give a short introduction to debugging, which is far from easy (again split on languages/tools). I'd love to have that information, if anyone has a link? But I think that is the catch-22: Our dev doc is poor, but it takes volunteer dev time to improve the doc. But we need more volunteers. And that requires good doc. So maybe this becomes a bootstrapping process, where we gather feedback from the initial dev volunteers and use that to improve the doc. In any case, I don't have the deep knowledge here. I'm mainly helping gather it into one place in a consumable form. So improving this will require help from a veteran developer, either up front, or later after answering repeated questions on the mailing list. Regards, -Rob Ok, our Altsassian Fisheye instance has been broken for some time. I don't know what the problem is. I filed an issue some time ago. I need to get abck in contact with them. Last update was about a week ago. The link you have goes to a page but then NOTHING really, and it does not included trunk. So, I guess you may need to stick with just the viewvc link: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk for the time being. Another link developers may find useful is the Developer’s Guide on the wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide All in all a good start! rgds Jan I What else should we put here? Any other links? Any other startup tasks? -Rob -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Copy/paste chart from Calc fails when source graph is on Sheet1
Another strange bug that was commented on the forum (this time, on the ES forums) Bug 118840 - Inserted chart into other document type, copied from Calc, loses data https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118840 If you copy a chart from a Calc file that is anchored on Sheet1 to a Writer or Draw document, parts of the graph will be missing. The only workaround is to rename Sheet1 to something else, which makes the bug quite confusing... This bug was introduced on 3.4.0 and it is still present on dev builds. Regards Ricardo
Re: Apache OpenOffice at FOSDEM 2013
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:42:50 -0500 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Oh one other thing, anyone know what overgangsëffecten translates to, the only word I'm lost on. Transition effects or animation effects, I think. Drew: that paragraph translates (from the French) Need to present your thoughts to a meeting or a conference? Time to call on Impress. Templates assist you to easily prepare your presentations. Use animations, transition effects, sound and video to liven up your presentations. Different methods of layout and formatting and many useful tools will help you design your slide show. Preset yor data in tables and charts. Record your presentation in PowerPoint format if necessary, or export it in PDF format. Be persuasive with Impress! -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: Build broken in canvas
Hmm... I think I have a dirty build for running svn update in the middle of a build. Nevermind :(. Pedro. - Messaggio originale - Da: Pedro Giffuni ... gmake: Nothing to be done for `allandcheck'. /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_devicehelper.cxx: In member function 'void cairocanvas::DeviceHelper::dumpScreenContent() const': /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_devicehelper.cxx:271: error: no match for 'operator' in 'aStream OutputDevice::GetBitmap(const Point, const Size) const(((const Point)( aEmptyPoint)), ((const Size)((const Size*)(((OutputDevice*)((const cairocanvas::DeviceHelper*)this)-cairocanvas::DeviceHelper::mpRefDevice)-OutputDevice::GetOutputSizePixel()' /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:370: note: candidates are: SvStream SvStream::operator(sal_uInt16) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:371: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(sal_uInt32) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:372: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(long int) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:373: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(short int) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:374: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(int) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:375: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(signed char) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:376: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(char) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:377: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(unsigned char) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:378: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(float) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:379: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(const double) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:380: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(const char*) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:381: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(const unsigned char*) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:388: note: SvStream SvStream::operator(SvStream) /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/350/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/tools/stream.hxx:625: note: SvStream operator(SvStream, SvStream (*)(SvStream)) dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../unxfbsdx.pro/slo/cairo_devicehelper.obj' ... _ Thanks for fixing ;), Pedro.
Blogging volunteers
The next weeks will see a release, two conferences and the 4.0 preparations. With so many topics to talk about, I suggest that everybody who may want to blog about OpenOffice on our official blog http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/ asks for a Roller account in advance. The project blog is in English, but don't worry about the language, we have native speakers who can proofread posts. All you need is to reply to this message on ooo-dev and ask for an account here; we will then ask Infra to create the accounts. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Blogging volunteers
Hi, Pescetti: I would like to be one blogging volunteer, so count me here please. 2013/1/15 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org The next weeks will see a release, two conferences and the 4.0 preparations. With so many topics to talk about, I suggest that everybody who may want to blog about OpenOffice on our official blog http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/asks for a Roller account in advance. The project blog is in English, but don't worry about the language, we have native speakers who can proofread posts. All you need is to reply to this message on ooo-dev and ask for an account here; we will then ask Infra to create the accounts. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [IMPORTANT, DISCUSS]: no migration/use of former user profile with AOO 4.0
Hi, On 14.01.2013 22:50, Hagar Delest wrote: Le 14/01/2013 12:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann a écrit : Does exist a description (may be inclusive a blob of the former user profile) to reproduce the problem? Sadly, no. XP seems the version where it occurs the most. Next time I'll try to make a copy of the whole profile. Thanks in advance. Hopefully, some time we are able to reproduce the corruption of the user profile. Then, we would be able to fix it. Best regards, Oliver.
