Re: Cwiki: use pictures attached on a different page

2013-07-18 Thread Keith N. McKenna

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

I started a translation for the release notes as a child page of the
release notes itself

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=33295326

But pictures attached to the main release notes page are not displayed on
the child page. Is there any easy way to show them?

Regards
Ricardo


Ricardo;

I did some playing and was able to copy all of the missing graphics 
except the sidebar ones with the following procedure using Firefox.


1: Open the English page in your browser in view mode.
2: Open the Spanish page in another window in edit mode
3: In the English page right click on the graphic you want to copy and
   select copy image location.
4: In the Spanish page highlight the file name of the command that did
   not work and paste.

Because the sidebar ones are thumbnails, the same procdure will not work 
as the thumbnail can only be created from a graphic that is attached to 
the page. The only way I found to do this was as follows (again using 
Firefox):


1: Same as above
2: Open the Spanish page in another window in view mode mode
3: In English page click on a thumbnail to open the the original graphic
  3.1 Right click full sizd graphic and select save image as and
  download it to your local machine.
4: In Spanish page Select Add -- Attachment then browse button on the
   page that opens and select the file you just downloaded and click
   the attach button.
6: Repeat as needed.

It is know 3:00 AM here so I am heading to bed. I can download th rest 
of the sidebar graphics and attach thm to the Spanish page later today 
if it will help you out.


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Re: Cwiki: use pictures attached on a different page

2013-07-18 Thread Keith N. McKenna

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

I started a translation for the release notes as a child page of the
release notes itself

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=33295326

But pictures attached to the main release notes page are not displayed on
the child page. Is there any easy way to show them?

Regards
Ricardo


Ricardo;

I did some playing and was able to copy all of the missing graphics
except the sidebar ones with the following procedure using Firefox.

1: Open the English page in your browser in view mode.
2: Open the Spanish page in another window in edit mode
3: In the English page right click on the graphic you want to copy and
select copy image location.
4: In the Spanish page highlight the file name of the command that did
not work and paste.

Because the sidebar ones are thumbnails, the same procdure will not work
as the thumbnail can only be created from a graphic that is attached to
the page. The only way I found to do this was as follows (again using
Firefox):

1: Same as above
2: Open the Spanish page in another window in view mode mode
3: In English page click on a thumbnail to open the the original graphic
   3.1 Right click full sizd graphic and select save image as and
   download it to your local machine.
4: In Spanish page Select Add -- Attachment then browse button on the
page that opens and select the file you just downloaded and click
the attach button.
6: Repeat as needed.

It is know 3:00 AM here so I am heading to bed. I can download th rest
of the sidebar graphics and attach thm to the Spanish page later today
if it will help you out.

Regards
Keith
I couldn't sleep so I uploaded all the sidebar screenshots as 
attachments and know they render correctly.


Regards
Keith


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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Rory O'Farrell

+1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0


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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread imacat
Dear all,

The translation of Traditional Chinese was finished (100%).  Could
it be added to the release now? ^_^

https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/

On 2013/07/18 02:57, Juergen Schmidt said:
 Am Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 um 20:31 schrieb Rob Weir:
 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 7/17/13 7:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm trying to download the source, ASC, MD5 and SHA256 files, but I'm
 getting errors
  
 I'm using the links from this page:
  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot
  
 The binaries download fine, but I can't verify the source.
  
 Anyone else running into this?
  
 well access the files directly via
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/source/
  
 I haven't updated the wiki, sorry.
  
 OK. I verified the hashes and signatures.
  
 However, we should clarify which public keys to use. Right now we
 say four different things:
  
 1) We have a KEYS file in the dist/incubator directory:
 http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS
  
 2) Your RC page points this file, which doesn't exist:
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/ooo.asc
  
 3) Your RC page also points to this file, which is not really suitable
 since it is in your personal directory:
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/aoo.KEYS
  
 4) The download page instructions
 (http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto)
 points to this file, which does exist:
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/openoffice.asc
  
 I thought the convention was to put a KEYS file into the root of the
 project's dist directory. If so we need to remember to copy it over
 into our TLP directory for AOO 4.0.
  
  
 
 yes and there is already one that I have copied from the incubator. I will 
 clean this mess up tomorrow ;-)
 
 Juergen
  
 Regards,
  
 -Rob
  
  
 Juergen
  
  
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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread imacat
-1 for Traditional Chinese version not included yet.

On 2013/07/18 16:54, Rory O'Farrell said:
 
 +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
 
 


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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 7/18/13 12:01 PM, imacat wrote:
 -1 for Traditional Chinese version not included yet.
 

Traditional Chinese is not part of the vote, means your vote is
unqualified and not valid. The reason why it is not included is also
known, sorry but this makes no sense.

Juergen


 On 2013/07/18 16:54, Rory O'Farrell said:
 
 +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
 
 
 
 


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4.0.0_release_blocker denied: [Bug 122780] Clicking Insert in dialog Insert Section incorrectly activated by Edit - paste, causes application hung

2013-07-18 Thread bugzilla
j...@apache.org has denied fanyuz...@gmail.com's request for
4.0.0_release_blocker:
Bug 122780: Clicking Insert in dialog Insert Section incorrectly activated by
Edit - paste, causes application hung
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122780


--- Additional Comments from j...@apache.org
I tried it with RC 2 on Mac and can't reproduce this. In general it is valid to
have paste enabled when the clipboard is filled. In my test case the text from
the clipboard  is pasted in my new document and everything is fine.

It probably depends on what you have in the clipboard and we need further
information but I don't think it is a showstopper.

But I am willing to change the showstopper flag if we come to the conclusion
that it is a serious and reproducable problem

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User Guides

2013-07-18 Thread Shenfeng Liu
Hi, all,
  I just noticed that the latest user guides we have is for OpenOffice.org
3.3, as below:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides

  I wonder if any one is willing to help to update the user guides for AOO
4.0?

  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)


Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 The translation of Traditional Chinese was finished (100%).  Could 
 it be added to the release now? ^_^

no, it is too late and I won't do a respin. But I will integrate the
translation on trunk immediately and we can build an unofficial
snapshot version.

The reason is quite simply, it is too late, we don't know potential
other problem triggered by incorrect translation or whatever, nobody
has tested this version.

But as I wrote in another mail I will integrate it on trunk and we can
prepare a snapshot version for testing.

Sorry but the timeline were clear and I don't want to make any ad-hoc
decision.

Juergen

 
 https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/
 
 On 2013/07/18 02:57, Juergen Schmidt said:
 Am Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 um 20:31 schrieb Rob Weir:
 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
 jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7/17/13 7:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm trying to download the source, ASC, MD5 and SHA256
 files, but I'm getting errors
 
 I'm using the links from this page:
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

  The binaries download fine, but I can't verify the
 source.
 
 Anyone else running into this?
 
 well access the files directly via 
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/source/

  I haven't updated the wiki, sorry.
 
 OK. I verified the hashes and signatures.
 
 However, we should clarify which public keys to use. Right now
 we say four different things:
 
 1) We have a KEYS file in the dist/incubator directory: 
 http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS
 
 2) Your RC page points this file, which doesn't exist: 
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/ooo.asc
 
 3) Your RC page also points to this file, which is not really
 suitable since it is in your personal directory: 
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/aoo.KEYS
 
 4) The download page instructions 
 (http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto)

 
points to this file, which does exist:
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/openoffice.asc
 
 I thought the convention was to put a KEYS file into the root
 of the project's dist directory. If so we need to remember to
 copy it over into our TLP directory for AOO 4.0.
 
 
 
 yes and there is already one that I have copied from the
 incubator. I will clean this mess up tomorrow ;-)
 
 Juergen
 
 Regards,
 
 -Rob
 
 
 Juergen
 
 
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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
 Dear all,

 The translation of Traditional Chinese was finished (100%).  Could 
 it be added to the release now? ^_^
 
 no, it is too late and I won't do a respin. But I will integrate the
 translation on trunk immediately and we can build an unofficial
 snapshot version.
 
 The reason is quite simply, it is too late, we don't know potential
 other problem triggered by incorrect translation or whatever, nobody
 has tested this version.
 
 But as I wrote in another mail I will integrate it on trunk and we can
 prepare a snapshot version for testing.
 
 Sorry but the timeline were clear and I don't want to make any ad-hoc
 decision.

and please create a task for this

Juergen

 
 Juergen
 

 https://translate.apache.org/zh_TW/aoo40/

 On 2013/07/18 02:57, Juergen Schmidt said:
 Am Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 um 20:31 schrieb Rob Weir:
 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
 jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7/17/13 7:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
 I'm trying to download the source, ASC, MD5 and SHA256
 files, but I'm getting errors

 I'm using the links from this page:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

  The binaries download fine, but I can't verify the
 source.

 Anyone else running into this?

 well access the files directly via 
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/RC/4.0.0/source/

  I haven't updated the wiki, sorry.

 OK. I verified the hashes and signatures.

 However, we should clarify which public keys to use. Right now
 we say four different things:

 1) We have a KEYS file in the dist/incubator directory: 
 http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS

 2) Your RC page points this file, which doesn't exist: 
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/ooo.asc

 3) Your RC page also points to this file, which is not really
 suitable since it is in your personal directory: 
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/aoo.KEYS

 4) The download page instructions 
 (http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto)


 points to this file, which does exist:
 https://people.apache.org/keys/group/openoffice.asc

 I thought the convention was to put a KEYS file into the root
 of the project's dist directory. If so we need to remember to
 copy it over into our TLP directory for AOO 4.0.



 yes and there is already one that I have copied from the
 incubator. I will clean this mess up tomorrow ;-)

 Juergen

 Regards,

 -Rob


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[PROPOSAL] Remove WikiAdmin email form

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
Today I woke up to find approximately 15 spam messages to the dev
list, all from the WikiAdmin form.  It looks like spammers have found
it.

The signal/noise ratio for this was never good to start with -- maybe
10 misdirected support questions for every legitimate wiki admin
question.  But now with the spam it is starting to become a burden on
list moderators.

I'm proposing we replace the form on the wiki with text that either
directs the user to send their admin questions to the dev list, or to
enter them into Bugzilla where we have a place for issues related to
project-owned infrastructure.

Alternatively, maybe there is a way to add a CAPTCHA to the form,
preferable one that is impossible to solve ;-)

Regards,

-Rob

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Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
entirely different approaches to organizing the information:

1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.

2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
plans for functional groups.

These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not consistently.

I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something like:

1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.

2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.

I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.

-Rob

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Re: User Guides

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,
   I just noticed that the latest user guides we have is for OpenOffice.org
 3.3, as below:

 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides

   I wonder if any one is willing to help to update the user guides for AOO
 4.0?


We have a separate doc mailing list and volunteers who have been
working on the wiki here:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide

-Rob


   Thanks!

 - Shenfeng (Simon)

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove WikiAdmin email form

2013-07-18 Thread FR web forum
Alternatively, maybe there is a way to add a CAPTCHA to the form,
preferable one that is impossible to solve ;-)
Seems to be possible like this example:
http://brightbyte.de/mw/index.php?title=Special:Contact

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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate
 (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an
 important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes.
 It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.

 This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
 to former OpenOffice releases:

 (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
 where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
 reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
 existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
 Symphony grant in OpenOffice.

 (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
 interoperability issues

 (3) 600 defects are fixed

 (4) many more features and improvements are integrated

 For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes.
 But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
 updated and polished ...

 The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
 releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
 review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

 The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html

 The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704!

 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.

 The vote starts now and will be open until:

UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC.

 But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
 to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
 members.

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...


+1

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Release communications -- plans

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
The Release Notes are starting to look very nice.  It is worth
reviewing if you have not looked recently:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes

This is the primary statement of what is in the release.  The
introductory sections are general enough that this page can be used as
a self-contained announcement message. It doesn't require additional
context.

However, we will have additional announcement statements.

1) There will be a press release.  This repeats a subset of the
contents of the release nots, but it the format and style that is
expected in a press release.  Don Harbison took the lead on drafting
that.

2) We should also have a brief blog post.  Maybe only a paragraph or
two and then a link to the Release Notes.  I don't want to spend too
much time on the blog post since I am almost certain the blog will
crash under load.  For that reason I'd recommend that we don't promote
the blog page via social media, etc.,   Promote the Release Notes
instead.

In the past we've translated the blog post.  But in this case I'd
recommend we focus on translating the Release Notes.

3) A brief announcement to our mailing lists, including the 9000
subscribers of our announcement mailing list.  Again, linking back to
the Release Notes.

4) Posts to Twitter, Google+, Facebook, etc.  This is something where
everyone can help spread the news, by sharing, +1'ing,  RT'ing,. etc.

Regards,

-Rob

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Fwd: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
Forwarding to our development mailing list where you are more likely
to get an answer.

-Rob


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From: Singhal, Ankur asing...@ptc.com
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Subject: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport
To: us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org


Hi Team,

I need all your help in resolving my issues, while setting up my
machine(Windows 7) for development on OpenOffice.

Steps I have followed to build
(http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7)

1)  I have downloaded source code directly from
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk .

2)  Did my configure using the below paths:

--with-cl-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \

--with-mspdb-path=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/Common7/IDE \

--with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

--with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

--with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0/Bin \

--with-asm-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin \

--with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 \

--with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Java64/jdk1.6.0_35\

--with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/apache-ant-1.9.2 \

--with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
\

--with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz \

--disable-directx \

--enable-dbgutil \

--enable-pch \

--disable-atl \

--disable-activex \

--disable-binfilter \

--without-junit

3)  Bootstrap ran properly.

4)  dmake is failing to build stlport module with the error
File to Patch:


Options that I have tried:

1)  Resolving the conflicts by going to separate files like
VC7.mak, _monetary.c, _num_put.c, _time_facets.c, _list.h.

After resolving conflicts it gives error as below:

.\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
*,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

2)  I tried moving from Visual Studio 2008 to Visual Studio 2010.

It starts giving other error about a file named exception under
Visual Studio. I believe Visual Studio 2010 is not supported by
OpenOffice.

3)  I tried replacing module stlport-4.5 with stlport-5.2.1
and compiling  the module. (With Visual Studio 2008)

But I am still facing the same issue.

.\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
*,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

It would be very helpful if someone can help me in resolving this
issue or if someone have faced the same issue earlier.

I believe this is not an issue related to code but a configuration issue.

Thanks in Advance,
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove WikiAdmin email form

2013-07-18 Thread janI
Contact page is removed.

Can we please find a way to qualify BZ requests in the future, so we can
avoid triple work (add contact page, move contact page, remove contact
page).

Qualifying request in BZ should make it obvious if its a wish, or something
the community have agreed upon.

rgds
jan I.



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 Alternatively, maybe there is a way to add a CAPTCHA to the form,
 preferable one that is impossible to solve ;-)
 Seems to be possible like this example:
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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Shenfeng Liu
2013/7/17 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com

 Hi all,

 this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate
 (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an
 important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes.
 It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.

 This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
 to former OpenOffice releases:

 (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
 where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
 reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
 existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
 Symphony grant in OpenOffice.

 (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
 interoperability issues

 (3) 600 defects are fixed

 (4) many more features and improvements are integrated

 For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
 .
 But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
 updated and polished ...

 The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
 releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
 review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:


 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

 The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html

 The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704!

 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.

 The vote starts now and will be open until:

UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC.

 But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
 to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
 members.

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...


+1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0

- Shenfeng (Simon)




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Re: Fwd: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport

2013-07-18 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 18.07.2013 16:26, Rob Weir wrote:

Forwarding to our development mailing list where you are more likely
to get an answer.

-Rob


-- Forwarded message --
From: Singhal, Ankur asing...@ptc.com
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Subject: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport
To: us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org


Hi Team,

I need all your help in resolving my issues, while setting up my
machine(Windows 7) for development on OpenOffice.

Steps I have followed to build
(http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7)

1)  I have downloaded source code directly from
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk .

2)  Did my configure using the below paths:
[...]
It would be very helpful if someone can help me in resolving this
issue or if someone have faced the same issue earlier.

I believe this is not an issue related to code but a configuration issue.


Please also use the configure option
--without-stlport

With all platforms not using stlport any longer stlport4 will be removed 
and this option will be enabled by default. For a little while longer it 
is still needed.


I updated the Wiki page you referenced.

Herbert


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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
 looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
 entirely different approaches to organizing the information:

 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
 there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.

 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
 release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
 plans for functional groups.

 These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
 consistently.

 I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something like:

 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
 release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
 lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
 change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
 what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.

 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
 and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.

 I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.


 If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge with
 mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki,
 and it do cost maintenance.


Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
images, etc.

-Rob

 rgds
 jan I.



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove WikiAdmin email form

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:31 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 Contact page is removed.

 Can we please find a way to qualify BZ requests in the future, so we can
 avoid triple work (add contact page, move contact page, remove contact
 page).

 Qualifying request in BZ should make it obvious if its a wish, or something
 the community have agreed upon.


What Infra does in some cases with JIRA, is require a URL to a thread
where the requester sought lazy consensus on the dev list first.
Maybe for some kinds of requests we do that?

Of course, that is not guaranteed to prevent all issues like this.  It
only reduces them,

-Rob

 rgds
 jan I.



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It is time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
Make sure you are included in our Directory of Volunteers and that the
information is as you want it to appear:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers

This page is linked to (indirectly) from the credits link of the
Help/About dialog box in AOO 4.0.  It will also be mentioned in
release announcements.

You can sign up for a wiki account, or send your information directly
to me and I will add it for you.

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: Release communications -- plans

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 The Release Notes are starting to look very nice.  It is worth
 reviewing if you have not looked recently:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes

 This is the primary statement of what is in the release.  The
 introductory sections are general enough that this page can be used as
 a self-contained announcement message. It doesn't require additional
 context.

 However, we will have additional announcement statements.

 1) There will be a press release.  This repeats a subset of the
 contents of the release nots, but it the format and style that is
 expected in a press release.  Don Harbison took the lead on drafting
 that.

 2) We should also have a brief blog post.  Maybe only a paragraph or
 two and then a link to the Release Notes.  I don't want to spend too
 much time on the blog post since I am almost certain the blog will
 crash under load.  For that reason I'd recommend that we don't promote
 the blog page via social media, etc.,   Promote the Release Notes
 instead.


Draft here:  
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=a_short_celebration_and_then


 In the past we've translated the blog post.  But in this case I'd
 recommend we focus on translating the Release Notes.

 3) A brief announcement to our mailing lists, including the 9000
 subscribers of our announcement mailing list.  Again, linking back to
 the Release Notes.

 4) Posts to Twitter, Google+, Facebook, etc.  This is something where
 everyone can help spread the news, by sharing, +1'ing,  RT'ing,. etc.

 Regards,

 -Rob

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Re: Mac release

2013-07-18 Thread Andre Fischer

On 17.07.2013 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 07/15/2013 07:06 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

Am 07/15/2013 06:57 PM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

On 15.07.2013 18:08, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:


Am 07/15/2013 10:18 AM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

Issue 122732 [1]reminded me of the problem on Mac where the system

complains that the AOO installation packaged does not come from the
Apple app store. As Ariel pointed out, this is covered in the 
release

notes for AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1.

I am not sure that that many users would find the note in the 
release

notes, follow the link to the solution and fix it.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to explain this at a more 
visible
place, like the download button for the Mac version. Does anybody 
know

if that is possible?

-Andre


[1]
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122732https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122732 





It is possible. However I don't like to have an exception for 
users of
platform X. This would make the index.html more unreadable than 
it is

already.

Therefore I've created a general text and link to the release 
notes (of

course, it's still intermediate):

http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html 





1) Directly in the main green box.
2) In a second sub-green box.

Please have a look and tell what you think. IMHO 1) is better.

Marcus

1) is better.


I like 1 better, too. But it still looks too prominent. We don't 
want to
scare our users (when only a minority will run into this problem). 
Maybe

an explanation in the release notes is enough.


I've decreased the font size a bit. And remember only 1) or 2) will
survive at the end. Currently it's duplicated which maybe supports the
too prominent look  feel.


@Andre, all:
What do you think: Keep or leave? I just need to know this how to 
handle the final webpage.


Better leave it out.

-Andre



Thanks

Marcus




maybe change wording to Click here for known installation issues

I know this is going to the Release Notes page...but maybe we should
focus
on highlighting installation.

I just edited Release Notes to duplicate the Mac OS X info in the
Upgrading/Installing section. Left it in Known Issues as well.


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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread imacat
On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said:
 On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
 Dear all,

 The translation of Traditional Chinese was finished (100%).  Could 
 it be added to the release now? ^_^

 no, it is too late and I won't do a respin. But I will integrate the
 translation on trunk immediately and we can build an unofficial
 snapshot version.

 The reason is quite simply, it is too late, we don't know potential
 other problem triggered by incorrect translation or whatever, nobody
 has tested this version.

 But as I wrote in another mail I will integrate it on trunk and we can
 prepare a snapshot version for testing.

 Sorry but the timeline were clear and I don't want to make any ad-hoc
 decision.
 
 and please create a task for this

I see.  Thanks. ^_*'

And how to create a task?  Sorry I haven't done that before.

And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release
of 4.0.  Sorry that I did not help much on this.

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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Ricardo Berlasso
2013/7/18 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw

 On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said:
  On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
  On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
  Dear all,
 
  The translation of Traditional Chinese was finished (100%).  Could
  it be added to the release now? ^_^
 
  no, it is too late and I won't do a respin. But I will integrate the
  translation on trunk immediately and we can build an unofficial
  snapshot version.
 
  The reason is quite simply, it is too late, we don't know potential
  other problem triggered by incorrect translation or whatever, nobody
  has tested this version.
 
  But as I wrote in another mail I will integrate it on trunk and we can
  prepare a snapshot version for testing.
 
  Sorry but the timeline were clear and I don't want to make any ad-hoc
  decision.
 
  and please create a task for this

 I see.  Thanks. ^_*'

 And how to create a task?  Sorry I haven't done that before.


Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen.

Regards
Ricardo



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Re: Release communications -- plans

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  The Release Notes are starting to look very nice.  It is worth
  reviewing if you have not looked recently:
 
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
 
  This is the primary statement of what is in the release.  The
  introductory sections are general enough that this page can be used as
  a self-contained announcement message. It doesn't require additional
  context.
 
  However, we will have additional announcement statements.
 
  1) There will be a press release.  This repeats a subset of the
  contents of the release nots, but it the format and style that is
  expected in a press release.  Don Harbison took the lead on drafting
  that.
 
  2) We should also have a brief blog post.  Maybe only a paragraph or
  two and then a link to the Release Notes.  I don't want to spend too
  much time on the blog post since I am almost certain the blog will
  crash under load.  For that reason I'd recommend that we don't promote
  the blog page via social media, etc.,   Promote the Release Notes
  instead.
 

 Draft here:
 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=a_short_celebration_and_then


I can't get to blogs at the moment. :/




  In the past we've translated the blog post.  But in this case I'd
  recommend we focus on translating the Release Notes.
 
  3) A brief announcement to our mailing lists, including the 9000
  subscribers of our announcement mailing list.  Again, linking back to
  the Release Notes.
 
  4) Posts to Twitter, Google+, Facebook, etc.  This is something where
  everyone can help spread the news, by sharing, +1'ing,  RT'ing,. etc.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob


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Re: Fwd: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport

2013-07-18 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Ankur,

is it correct, that you want to build the version 3.4.1?

Kind regards
Regina

Rob Weir schrieb:

Forwarding to our development mailing list where you are more likely
to get an answer.

-Rob


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From: Singhal, Ankur asing...@ptc.com
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Subject: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport
To: us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org


Hi Team,

I need all your help in resolving my issues, while setting up my
machine(Windows 7) for development on OpenOffice.

Steps I have followed to build
(http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7)

1)  I have downloaded source code directly from
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk .

2)  Did my configure using the below paths:

--with-cl-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \

--with-mspdb-path=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/Common7/IDE \

--with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

--with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

--with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0/Bin \

--with-asm-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin \

--with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 \

--with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Java64/jdk1.6.0_35\

--with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/apache-ant-1.9.2 \

--with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
\

--with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz \

--disable-directx \

--enable-dbgutil \

--enable-pch \

--disable-atl \

--disable-activex \

--disable-binfilter \

--without-junit

3)  Bootstrap ran properly.

4)  dmake is failing to build stlport module with the error
File to Patch:


Options that I have tried:

1)  Resolving the conflicts by going to separate files like
VC7.mak, _monetary.c, _num_put.c, _time_facets.c, _list.h.

After resolving conflicts it gives error as below:

.\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
*,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

2)  I tried moving from Visual Studio 2008 to Visual Studio 2010.

It starts giving other error about a file named exception under
Visual Studio. I believe Visual Studio 2010 is not supported by
OpenOffice.

3)  I tried replacing module stlport-4.5 with stlport-5.2.1
and compiling  the module. (With Visual Studio 2008)

But I am still facing the same issue.

.\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
*,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in
'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

It would be very helpful if someone can help me in resolving this
issue or if someone have faced the same issue earlier.

I believe this is not an issue related to code but a configuration issue.

Thanks in Advance,
Ankur Singhal

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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
 looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
 entirely different approaches to organizing the information:

 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
 there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.

 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
 release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
 plans for functional groups.

 These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
 consistently.

 I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something like:

 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
 release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
 lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
 change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
 what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.

 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
 and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.

 I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.

 -Rob


yes, this is a good reorganization format. +1



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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
  looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
  entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
 
  1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
  there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
 
  2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
  release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
  plans for functional groups.
 
  These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
  consistently.
 
  I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
 like:
 
  1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
  release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
  lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
  change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
  what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
 
  2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
  and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
 
  I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
 
 
  If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
 with
  mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki,
  and it do cost maintenance.
 

 Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
 effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
 effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
 images, etc.


So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
productsWe should have been a goverment agency.

But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

rgds
jan I.



 -Rob

  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Keith N. McKenna

janI wrote:

+1

rgds
jan I


On 17 July 2013 09:40, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all,

this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate
(RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an
important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes.
It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.

This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
to former OpenOffice releases:

(1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
Symphony grant in OpenOffice.

(2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
interoperability issues

(3) 600 defects are fixed

(4) many more features and improvements are integrated

For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
.
But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
updated and polished ...

The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html

The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704!

Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.

The vote starts now and will be open until:

UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC.

But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
members.

[X] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...

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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Dave Fisher

On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:

 On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
 We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
 looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
 entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
 
 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
 there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
 
 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
 release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
 plans for functional groups.
 
 These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
 consistently.
 
 I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
 like:
 
 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
 release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
 lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
 change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
 what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
 
 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
 and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
 
 I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
 
 
 If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
 with
 mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki,
 and it do cost maintenance.
 
 
 Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
 effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
 effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
 images, etc.

Exactly. 

 
 
 So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
 productsWe should have been a goverment agency.

Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki on 
day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many months. 
(1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the migration 
which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you want to find 
out about the difficulties that occurred.

The CWiki serves its purpose very well.

 But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help however I 
can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to Admin it which 
quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much effort has it taken to 
manage MWiki?

The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must manage our 
own MediaWiki.

Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe some 
of the CWiki content belongs there?

Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?

Regards,
Dave

 
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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:

 On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
 looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
 entirely different approaches to organizing the information:

 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
 there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.

 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
 release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
 plans for functional groups.

 These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
 consistently.

 I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
 like:

 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
 release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
 lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
 change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
 what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.

 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
 and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.

 I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.


 If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
 with
 mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki,
 and it do cost maintenance.


 Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
 effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
 effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
 images, etc.

 Exactly.



 So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
 productsWe should have been a goverment agency.

 Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki on 
 day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many 
 months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the 
 migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you 
 want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.

 The CWiki serves its purpose very well.

 But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

 If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help however I 
 can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to Admin it 
 which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much effort has it 
 taken to manage MWiki?

 The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must manage 
 our own MediaWiki.

 Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe 
 some of the CWiki content belongs there?


Certainly the blog could move to WordPress.  I know WordPress pretty
well, been using it for 8 years or so on my personal blog.  It has
support for blog posts as well as pages, which can be static content
that is not tied to a post or a typical RSS stream.   But I'd probably
just use that for content that is very strongly associated with the
blog, e.g., a comment policy or a page that tells where to go for
support.  It might not be worth using it for yet-another-cms for the
project.

Most of the stuff we have on CWiki is inward-facing pages that we use
to coordinate on parts of the project.  I think that is distinct from
the blog content.  And maybe even distinct from what most of the MWiki
is used for, which is more user facing.

As you know, we've had this discussion before and more than once.  We
have the same situation with www.openoffice.org versus
openoffice.apache.org.  Project-facing versus user-facing.

Of course, this doesn't determine our technical approach.  We could
use a single technology and have both project-facing and user-facing
content in the same tool, if we structured it right.  But the rewards
seem less tangible than the effort required to get there.

Regards,

-Rob

 Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?

 Regards,
 Dave


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 jan I.



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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 18 July 2013 20:12, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:


 On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:

  On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
  looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
  entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
 
  1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
  there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
 
  2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
  release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
  plans for functional groups.
 
  These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
  consistently.
 
  I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
  like:
 
  1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
  release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
  lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
  change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
  what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
 
  2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
  and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
 
  I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
 
 
  If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
  with
  mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of
 wiki,
  and it do cost maintenance.
 
 
  Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
  effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
  effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
  images, etc.

 Exactly.

 
 
  So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
  productsWe should have been a goverment agency.

 Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki
 on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many
 months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the
 migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you
 want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.


I know when AOO got CWIKI and also part of the remaining story. I have also
seen quite a lot of Terry E work (He has done quite a lot and I am sorry it
did not work out between him and infra).

on #asfinfra (where I am online)  root@ already told me some time ago about
the initial setup and terry E. These difficulties was more setup type
problems and not really conversion problems (acc. infra)

As a maintainer of several servers, I think its normal to think how can we
do betterI cannot see why I should not raise concerns, when I have
them, to me an argument about a thing being complicated is not an argument
for not doing the right thing. Admitted I did not need to write the agency
part, but I really feel stuck in the discussion.



The CWiki serves its purpose very well.


I am sure it does, and did not dispute thatI am solely thinking of our
stretched maintenance resources (including infra), at some point we do need
to consolidate our information stores.

We have our different www's, different wikis and a blog all containing bits
and pieces of information, some of it redundant (and often not maintained
in some of the flavours), on top of that we have the forums.

My point is, independent how difficult it is, we should target a
consolidated set of information, with a clear signal, where which info is
kept.



  But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

 If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help
 however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to
 Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much
 effort has it taken to manage MWiki?


You already help a lot, thanks for that, and you are right it will be a
hard job to get it done after a community decision.


 The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must
 manage our own MediaWiki.


I have no opinion on which systems shall survive, if we think CWIKI is the
better choice then so be it. But please dont forget ASF is you, me and many
others. What I mean is, when I maintain the servers, its hard to see if I
wear my AOO cap or my ASF/INFRA cap.


 Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe
 some of the CWiki content belongs there?


It is at the moment only a infra consideration and test. I have not dared
suggest it, but WP would be able to handle blog, cwiki, mediawiki and large
parts of www.


 Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?


+1

rgds
jan I


 Regards,
 Dave

 

Re: Openoffice Base copy function

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, John 73 WA4GPS 73wa4...@sc.rr.com wrote:

 In my club membership data base, I can use Filter by Selection to
 isolate a group of members that I want to send an E-mail to and, if I click
 on the E-mail Address field label, the entire column is highlighted but
 when I click on Copy and then try to Paste the block of E-mail
 Addresses in the Bcc field of on E-mail, I only get one E-mail address!  I
 need to be able to copy the entire block of E-mail Addresses.

 John


I had the same experience. You might get additional help on how to do what
you want from either the users list or the Forums. See our Support page:

 http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html





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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:


 On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:

  On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
  looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
  entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
 
  1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
  there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
 
  2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
  release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
  plans for functional groups.
 
  These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
  consistently.
 
  I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
  like:
 
  1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
  release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
  lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
  change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
  what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
 
  2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
  and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
 
  I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
 
 
  If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
  with
  mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of
 wiki,
  and it do cost maintenance.
 
 
  Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
  effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
  effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
  images, etc.

 Exactly.

 
 
  So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
  productsWe should have been a goverment agency.

 Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki
 on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many
 months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the
 migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you
 want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.

 The CWiki serves its purpose very well.


I LIKE CWiki!



  But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

 If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help
 however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to
 Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much
 effort has it taken to manage MWiki?

 The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must
 manage our own MediaWiki.


I propose we take up the issue of wiki merging again soon. A lot has
changed since our last in-depth discussion on this. And, a lot has changed
with each of these products since that discussion.


 Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe
 some of the CWiki content belongs there?

 Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?




 Regards,
 Dave

 
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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:
 
  On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.
  When
  looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking
 two
  entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
 
  1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
  there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
 
  2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
  release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
  plans for functional groups.
 
  These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
  consistently.
 
  I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
  like:
 
  1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
  release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
  lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
  change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
  what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
 
  2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
  and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
 
  I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
 
 
  If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
  with
  mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of
 wiki,
  and it do cost maintenance.
 
 
  Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
  effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
  effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
  images, etc.
 
  Exactly.
 
 
 
  So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
  productsWe should have been a goverment agency.
 
  Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the
 CWiki on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for
 many months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do
 the migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if
 you want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.
 
  The CWiki serves its purpose very well.
 
  But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.
 
  If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help
 however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to
 Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much
 effort has it taken to manage MWiki?
 
  The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must
 manage our own MediaWiki.
 
  Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller.
 Maybe some of the CWiki content belongs there?
 

 Certainly the blog could move to WordPress.  I know WordPress pretty
 well, been using it for 8 years or so on my personal blog.  It has
 support for blog posts as well as pages, which can be static content
 that is not tied to a post or a typical RSS stream.   But I'd probably
 just use that for content that is very strongly associated with the
 blog, e.g., a comment policy or a page that tells where to go for
 support.  It might not be worth using it for yet-another-cms for the
 project.

 Most of the stuff we have on CWiki is inward-facing pages that we use
 to coordinate on parts of the project.  I think that is distinct from
 the blog content.  And maybe even distinct from what most of the MWiki
 is used for, which is more user facing.

 As you know, we've had this discussion before and more than once.  We
 have the same situation with www.openoffice.org versus
 openoffice.apache.org.  Project-facing versus user-facing.

 Of course, this doesn't determine our technical approach.  We could
 use a single technology and have both project-facing and user-facing
 content in the same tool, if we structured it right.



...yes...


  But the rewards
 seem less tangible than the effort required to get there.


I'm not sure about this one. Migration, of some sort, is a one time deal.
Administration is forever.





 Regards,

 -Rob

  Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?
 
  Regards,
  Dave
 
 
  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
 
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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate
 (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an
 important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes.
 It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.

 This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
 to former OpenOffice releases:

 (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
 where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
 reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
 existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
 Symphony grant in OpenOffice.

 (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
 interoperability issues

 (3) 600 defects are fixed

 (4) many more features and improvements are integrated

 For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
 .
 But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
 updated and polished ...

 The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
 releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
 review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:


 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

 The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html

 The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704!

 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.

 The vote starts now and will be open until:

UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC.

 But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
 to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
 members.

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...


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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

2013-07-18 Thread Steele, Raymond
Who completed the OpenOffice 3.3 Solaris x86 build? It seems that we could 
easily add the new vendor to the few files listed here, then recompile. I am 
sure someone already has the environment set up considering the code was 
compiled for Solaris x86 in the past.  This could then become a version 3.3 
update to support Java 7. Thought?



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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:40 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'; Steele, Raymond
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

On 03/07/2013 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 2. OpenOffice.org, in part of its detection of available JREs, may be 
 looking for Sun as the provider.  It might not recognize JREs that now 
 have Oracle identified as the provider.

This used to be a problem (in general, not Solaris-specific) for JREs that had 
Oracle as a vendor. See
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1229371
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=r1333165

Note that 3.3.0 is unsupported.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

2013-07-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
No distribution of OpenOffice.org 3.3 was built at Apache OpenOffice.  (There 
was an out-of-cycle security fix, but that did not require rebuilding the 
application.  I don't believe that fix was provided for Solaris, however.)  The 
Apache OpenOffice code base was based on OpenOffice.org code that was later 
than OpenOffice.org 3.3 code.

As you know, Apache OpenOffice has not provided any Solaris builds for its 
releases.  

It would appear that the best that can happen is if a private party with an eye 
on this list is able to offer such a rebuild.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Steele, Raymond [mailto:raymond.ste...@lmco.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Andrea Pescetti; dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

Who completed the OpenOffice 3.3 Solaris x86 build? It seems that we could 
easily add the new vendor to the few files listed here, then recompile. I am 
sure someone already has the environment set up considering the code was 
compiled for Solaris x86 in the past.  This could then become a version 3.3 
update to support Java 7. Thought?



-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:40 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'; Steele, Raymond
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

On 03/07/2013 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 2. OpenOffice.org, in part of its detection of available JREs, may be 
 looking for Sun as the provider.  It might not recognize JREs that now 
 have Oracle identified as the provider.

This used to be a problem (in general, not Solaris-specific) for JREs that had 
Oracle as a vendor. See
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1229371
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=r1333165

Note that 3.3.0 is unsupported.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

2013-07-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/18/2013 10:14 PM, schrieb Steele, Raymond:

Thanks for responding. Do you know who built the Solaris Intel distributions 
posted on this page?

http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/other.html

I am not adverse to rebuilding the code for Solaris 10 x86, but in the 
meantime, I am looking for a quicker solution to my problem.


I know my answer will not help you:

The inventor of Solaris - Sun Microsystems - has done all the Solaris 
x86 and Sparc builds offered on the webpage, and also all Windows, Linux 
and Mac OS builds.


Marcus




-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:08 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Steele, Raymond
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

No distribution of OpenOffice.org 3.3 was built at Apache OpenOffice.  (There 
was an out-of-cycle security fix, but that did not require rebuilding the 
application.  I don't believe that fix was provided for Solaris, however.)  The 
Apache OpenOffice code base was based on OpenOffice.org code that was later 
than OpenOffice.org 3.3 code.

As you know, Apache OpenOffice has not provided any Solaris builds for its 
releases.

It would appear that the best that can happen is if a private party with an eye 
on this list is able to offer such a rebuild.

  - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Steele, Raymond [mailto:raymond.ste...@lmco.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Andrea Pescetti; dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

Who completed the OpenOffice 3.3 Solaris x86 build? It seems that we could 
easily add the new vendor to the few files listed here, then recompile. I am 
sure someone already has the environment set up considering the code was 
compiled for Solaris x86 in the past.  This could then become a version 3.3 
update to support Java 7. Thought?



-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:40 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'; Steele, Raymond
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

On 03/07/2013 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

2. OpenOffice.org, in part of its detection of available JREs, may be
looking for Sun as the provider.  It might not recognize JREs that now
have Oracle identified as the provider.


This used to be a problem (in general, not Solaris-specific) for JREs that had 
Oracle as a vendor. See
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1229371
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=r1333165

Note that 3.3.0 is unsupported.

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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

2013-07-18 Thread Steele, Raymond
Thanks and yes, no help!

-Original Message-
From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:28 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Steele, Raymond
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

Am 07/18/2013 10:14 PM, schrieb Steele, Raymond:
 Thanks for responding. Do you know who built the Solaris Intel distributions 
 posted on this page?

 http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/other.html

 I am not adverse to rebuilding the code for Solaris 10 x86, but in the 
 meantime, I am looking for a quicker solution to my problem.

I know my answer will not help you:

The inventor of Solaris - Sun Microsystems - has done all the Solaris
x86 and Sparc builds offered on the webpage, and also all Windows, Linux and 
Mac OS builds.

Marcus



 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:08 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Cc: Steele, Raymond
 Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

 No distribution of OpenOffice.org 3.3 was built at Apache OpenOffice.  (There 
 was an out-of-cycle security fix, but that did not require rebuilding the 
 application.  I don't believe that fix was provided for Solaris, however.)  
 The Apache OpenOffice code base was based on OpenOffice.org code that was 
 later than OpenOffice.org 3.3 code.

 As you know, Apache OpenOffice has not provided any Solaris builds for its 
 releases.

 It would appear that the best that can happen is if a private party with an 
 eye on this list is able to offer such a rebuild.

   - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Steele, Raymond [mailto:raymond.ste...@lmco.com]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:29 PM
 To: Andrea Pescetti; dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'
 Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

 Who completed the OpenOffice 3.3 Solaris x86 build? It seems that we could 
 easily add the new vendor to the few files listed here, then recompile. I am 
 sure someone already has the environment set up considering the code was 
 compiled for Solaris x86 in the past.  This could then become a version 3.3 
 update to support Java 7. Thought?



 -Original Message-
 From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:40 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'; Steele, Raymond
 Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

 On 03/07/2013 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 2. OpenOffice.org, in part of its detection of available JREs, may be 
 looking for Sun as the provider.  It might not recognize JREs that 
 now have Oracle identified as the provider.

 This used to be a problem (in general, not Solaris-specific) for JREs 
 that had Oracle as a vendor. See
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1229371
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=r1333165

 Note that 3.3.0 is unsupported.

 Regards,
 Andrea.


Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/18/2013 08:41 PM, schrieb janI:

On 18 July 2013 20:12, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net  wrote:



On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:


On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote:


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janIj...@apache.org  wrote:

On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote:


We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.When
looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
entirely different approaches to organizing the information:

1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.

2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
plans for functional groups.

These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
consistently.

I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something

like:


1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.

2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.

I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.



If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge

with

mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of

wiki,

and it do cost maintenance.



Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
images, etc.


Exactly.





So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
productsWe should have been a goverment agency.


Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki
on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many
months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the
migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you
want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.



I know when AOO got CWIKI and also part of the remaining story. I have also
seen quite a lot of Terry E work (He has done quite a lot and I am sorry it
did not work out between him and infra).

on #asfinfra (where I am online)  root@ already told me some time ago about
the initial setup and terry E. These difficulties was more setup type
problems and not really conversion problems (acc. infra)

As a maintainer of several servers, I think its normal to think how can we
do betterI cannot see why I should not raise concerns, when I have
them, to me an argument about a thing being complicated is not an argument
for not doing the right thing. Admitted I did not need to write the agency
part, but I really feel stuck in the discussion.



The CWiki serves its purpose very well.




I am sure it does, and did not dispute thatI am solely thinking of our
stretched maintenance resources (including infra), at some point we do need
to consolidate our information stores.

We have our different www's, different wikis and a blog all containing bits
and pieces of information, some of it redundant (and often not maintained
in some of the flavours), on top of that we have the forums.

My point is, independent how difficult it is, we should target a
consolidated set of information, with a clear signal, where which info is
kept.




But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.


If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help
however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to
Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much
effort has it taken to manage MWiki?



You already help a lot, thanks for that, and you are right it will be a
hard job to get it done after a community decision.



The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must
manage our own MediaWiki.



I have no opinion on which systems shall survive, if we think CWIKI is the
better choice then so be it. But please dont forget ASF is you, me and many
others. What I mean is, when I maintain the servers, its hard to see if I
wear my AOO cap or my ASF/INFRA cap.



Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe
some of the CWiki content belongs there?



It is at the moment only a infra consideration and test. I have not dared
suggest it, but WP would be able to handle blog, cwiki, mediawiki and large
parts of www.



Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?



+1

rgds
jan I


I have nothing against deletion.

And I think 

Re: Mac release

2013-07-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/18/2013 05:23 PM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

On 17.07.2013 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 07/15/2013 07:06 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

Am 07/15/2013 06:57 PM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

On 15.07.2013 18:08, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:


Am 07/15/2013 10:18 AM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

Issue 122732 [1]reminded me of the problem on Mac where the system

complains that the AOO installation packaged does not come from the
Apple app store. As Ariel pointed out, this is covered in the
release
notes for AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1.

I am not sure that that many users would find the note in the
release
notes, follow the link to the solution and fix it.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to explain this at a more
visible
place, like the download button for the Mac version. Does anybody
know
if that is possible?

-Andre


[1]
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122732https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122732





It is possible. However I don't like to have an exception for
users of
platform X. This would make the index.html more unreadable than
it is
already.

Therefore I've created a general text and link to the release
notes (of
course, it's still intermediate):

http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html




1) Directly in the main green box.
2) In a second sub-green box.

Please have a look and tell what you think. IMHO 1) is better.

Marcus

1) is better.


I like 1 better, too. But it still looks too prominent. We don't
want to
scare our users (when only a minority will run into this problem).
Maybe
an explanation in the release notes is enough.


I've decreased the font size a bit. And remember only 1) or 2) will
survive at the end. Currently it's duplicated which maybe supports the
too prominent look  feel.


@Andre, all:
What do you think: Keep or leave? I just need to know this how to
handle the final webpage.


Better leave it out.


OK, it's gone from the test webpage.

Marcus




maybe change wording to Click here for known installation issues

I know this is going to the Release Notes page...but maybe we should
focus
on highlighting installation.

I just edited Release Notes to duplicate the Mac OS X info in the
Upgrading/Installing section. Left it in Known Issues as well.


Great thanks.


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Cwiki vs Media WIki again...

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
In continuing discussions, some of you may be interested in this site:

http://www.wikimatrix.org/

No sure about accuracy.

-- 
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MzK

Success is falling nine times and getting up ten.
 -- Jon Bon Jovi


Re: Cwiki vs Media WIki again...

2013-07-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/18/2013 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

In continuing discussions, some of you may be interested in this site:

http://www.wikimatrix.org/

No sure about accuracy.


Great link, thanks!

Now both can be compared with facts - assumed they are correct. ;-)

Marcus

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Re: Cwiki vs Media WIki again...

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 18 July 2013 23:32, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/18/2013 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

  In continuing discussions, some of you may be interested in this site:

 http://www.wikimatrix.org/

 No sure about accuracy.


 Great link, thanks!

 Now both can be compared with facts - assumed they are correct. ;-)


great site, thx a lot.

I ran a compare and the difference I look after showed up.

sadly enough it does not compare to WP.

rgds
jan I.



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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

2013-07-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The 3.3.0 Releases were all by Oracle on January 18, 2011.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Steele, Raymond [mailto:raymond.ste...@lmco.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 01:15 PM
To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

Thanks for responding. Do you know who built the Solaris Intel distributions 
posted on this page?

http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/other.html

I am not adverse to rebuilding the code for Solaris 10 x86, but in the 
meantime, I am looking for a quicker solution to my problem.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:08 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Steele, Raymond
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

No distribution of OpenOffice.org 3.3 was built at Apache OpenOffice.  (There 
was an out-of-cycle security fix, but that did not require rebuilding the 
application.  I don't believe that fix was provided for Solaris, however.)  The 
Apache OpenOffice code base was based on OpenOffice.org code that was later 
than OpenOffice.org 3.3 code.

As you know, Apache OpenOffice has not provided any Solaris builds for its 
releases.  

It would appear that the best that can happen is if a private party with an eye 
on this list is able to offer such a rebuild.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Steele, Raymond [mailto:raymond.ste...@lmco.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Andrea Pescetti; dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

Who completed the OpenOffice 3.3 Solaris x86 build? It seems that we could 
easily add the new vendor to the few files listed here, then recompile. I am 
sure someone already has the environment set up considering the code was 
compiled for Solaris x86 in the past.  This could then become a version 3.3 
update to support Java 7. Thought?



-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:40 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton; 'Don'; Steele, Raymond
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OpenOffice 3.3 and Java 7

On 03/07/2013 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 2. OpenOffice.org, in part of its detection of available JREs, may be 
 looking for Sun as the provider.  It might not recognize JREs that now 
 have Oracle identified as the provider.

This used to be a problem (in general, not Solaris-specific) for JREs that had 
Oracle as a vendor. See
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118352
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1229371
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=r1333165

Note that 3.3.0 is unsupported.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

+1

Marcus



Am 07/17/2013 09:40 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

Hi all,

this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate
(RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an
important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes.
It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.

This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
to former OpenOffice releases:

(1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
Symphony grant in OpenOffice.

(2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
interoperability issues

(3) 600 defects are fixed

(4) many more features and improvements are integrated

For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes.
But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
updated and polished ...

The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot

The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html

The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704!

Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.

The vote starts now and will be open until:

UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC.

But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
members.

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...


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Volunteering to create Pootle accounts

2013-07-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti
I expect an increased traffic of Pootle account requests (from 
non-committers) next week, when we will release version 4.0 and new 
volunteers will want to translate OpenOffice 4.0 into their mother tongue.


Unless we are already covered for a timely creation of accounts, I 
volunteer to get administrator privileges in Pootle and to standardize 
the procedure for non-committers to ask for a Pootle account.


If we are already covered, or we have someone else wishing to take care 
of this, just say so, and I'll be happier! But we must avoid delays and 
standardize procedures, at least for the languages that are already in 
Pootle.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Structure of the CWiki?

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 18 July 2013 23:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 18 July 2013 20:12, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
  On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:
 
   On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
   On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
   On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
   We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.
  When
   looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking
 two
   entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
  
   1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
   there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
  
   2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
   release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status
 and
   plans for functional groups.
  
   These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
   consistently.
  
   I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing
 something
   like:
  
   1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
   release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
   lists of volunteers, how to information.  The stuff that does not
   change from release to release.  It is information about the team
 and
   what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
  
   2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
   and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
  
   I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
  
  
   If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a
 merge
   with
   mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of
  wiki,
   and it do cost maintenance.
  
  
   Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be
 more
   effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
   effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
   images, etc.
 
  Exactly.
 
  
  
   So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
   productsWe should have been a goverment agency.
 
  Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the
 CWiki
  on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for
 many
  months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the
  migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if
 you
  want to find out about the difficulties that occurred.
 
 
  I know when AOO got CWIKI and also part of the remaining story. I have
 also
  seen quite a lot of Terry E work (He has done quite a lot and I am sorry
 it
  did not work out between him and infra).
 
  on #asfinfra (where I am online)  root@ already told me some time ago
 about
  the initial setup and terry E. These difficulties was more setup type
  problems and not really conversion problems (acc. infra)
 
  As a maintainer of several servers, I think its normal to think how can
 we
  do betterI cannot see why I should not raise concerns, when I have
  them, to me an argument about a thing being complicated is not an
 argument
  for not doing the right thing. Admitted I did not need to write the
 agency
  part, but I really feel stuck in the discussion.
 

 No one ever said you shouldn't raise concerns.  To me it looked like
 you self-censored yourself when you said you wont press further .

 But you do overstate things when you express them in absolute terms,
 e.g., saying this is about doing the right thing.  Remember, there
 are many right things any of us could be doing in the project (or
 elsewhere), but there are only 24 hours in the day.  This necessarily
 leads to prioritization.

 Migrating existing, perfectly good content from one technical
 infrastructure to another is not high on my personal list of
 priorities.  This, however, should not inhibit you are anyone else
 interested from exploring this further. The direction is set by those
 who think something is important, not by those, like myself, who are
 indifferent.


you are completly rightdoing the right them was solely from a
maintenance perspective I should have added that.

its just I am getting a bit tired of doing tiresome maintenance, when I
could use the same time to bring us forward (even though I am not sure what
the target is).

rgds
jan I.


 Regards,

 -Rob

 
 
  The CWiki serves its purpose very well.
 
 
  I am sure it does, and did not dispute thatI am solely thinking of
 our
  stretched maintenance resources (including infra), at some point we do
 need
  to consolidate our information stores.
 
  We have our different www's, different wikis and a blog all containing
 bits
  and pieces of information, some of it redundant (and often not maintained
  in some of the flavours), on top of that we have the 

Re: Volunteering to create Pootle accounts

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 19 July 2013 00:46, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 I expect an increased traffic of Pootle account requests (from
 non-committers) next week, when we will release version 4.0 and new
 volunteers will want to translate OpenOffice 4.0 into their mother tongue.

 Unless we are already covered for a timely creation of accounts, I
 volunteer to get administrator privileges in Pootle and to standardize the
 procedure for non-committers to ask for a Pootle account.

thanks for volunteering, please remember pootle is a infra service (as we
wanted) and not a specific AOO service.

I personnally welcome you as admin, and will ask in infra if anybody
objects.



 If we are already covered, or we have someone else wishing to take care of
 this, just say so, and I'll be happier! But we must avoid delays and
 standardize procedures, at least for the languages that are already in
 Pootle.

 I dont know what the state of the pootle files are, that is something jsc
have done. I would recommend not to just add new languages, pootle is the
least problem here.

rgds
jan I.


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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Andrew Rist

+1Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0



On 7/17/2013 12:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
[ ]  0 Don't care
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Re: Volunteering to create Pootle accounts

2013-07-18 Thread janI
On 19 July 2013 01:11, janI j...@apache.org wrote:




 On 19 July 2013 00:46, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 I expect an increased traffic of Pootle account requests (from
 non-committers) next week, when we will release version 4.0 and new
 volunteers will want to translate OpenOffice 4.0 into their mother tongue.

 Unless we are already covered for a timely creation of accounts, I
 volunteer to get administrator privileges in Pootle and to standardize the
 procedure for non-committers to ask for a Pootle account.

 thanks for volunteering, please remember pootle is a infra service (as we
 wanted) and not a specific AOO service.

 I personnally welcome you as admin, and will ask in infra if anybody
 objects.


You will get admin priviledges for the AOO projects, I just have to make a
profile in pootle, should be in place during the weekend.

rgds
jan I.





 If we are already covered, or we have someone else wishing to take care
 of this, just say so, and I'll be happier! But we must avoid delays and
 standardize procedures, at least for the languages that are already in
 Pootle.

 I dont know what the state of the pootle files are, that is something jsc
 have done. I would recommend not to just add new languages, pootle is the
 least problem here.

 rgds
 jan I.


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Re: Cwiki vs Media WIki again...

2013-07-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 18 July 2013 23:32, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

  Am 07/18/2013 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
 
   In continuing discussions, some of you may be interested in this site:
 
  http://www.wikimatrix.org/
 
  No sure about accuracy.
 
 
  Great link, thanks!
 
  Now both can be compared with facts - assumed they are correct. ;-)
 

 great site, thx a lot.

 I ran a compare and the difference I look after showed up.

 sadly enough it does not compare to WP.

 rgds
 jan I.


I'm recalling now the biggest drawback to Confluence, for an end user
portal, seemed to be -- and likely still is -- the lack of language
support. I looked for about an hour before I sent this little e-mail, and
could not find anything to the contrary.




 
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Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Donald Harbison
+1 (!)

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:

 +1Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0



 On 7/17/2013 12:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

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RE: Fwd: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport

2013-07-18 Thread Singhal, Ankur
HI Regina,

Yes It's correct I am trying to build Version 3.4.1 which is the latest stable 
version.

Thanks and Regards,
Ankur Singhal

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From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de] 
Sent: 18 July 2013 22:07
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Singhal, Ankur
Subject: Re: Fwd: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport

Hi Ankur,

is it correct, that you want to build the version 3.4.1?

Kind regards
Regina

Rob Weir schrieb:
 Forwarding to our development mailing list where you are more likely 
 to get an answer.

 -Rob


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 From: Singhal, Ankur asing...@ptc.com
 Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
 Subject: Issue with dmake of AOO-3.4.1 for the module stlport
 To: us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org


 Hi Team,

 I need all your help in resolving my issues, while setting up my 
 machine(Windows 7) for development on OpenOffice.

 Steps I have followed to build
 (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step
 _by_step#Windows_7)

 1)  I have downloaded source code directly from
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk .

 2)  Did my configure using the below paths:

 --with-cl-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \

 --with-mspdb-path=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 
 9.0/Common7/IDE \

 --with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
 SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

 --with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
 SDKs/Windows/v7.0 \

 --with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
 SDKs/Windows/v7.0/Bin \

 --with-asm-home=/cygdrive/f/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin \

 --with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 \

 --with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Java64/jdk1.6.0_35\

 --with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/apache-ant-1.9.2 \

 --with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dma
 ke-4.12.tar.bz2
 \

 --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz 
 \

 --disable-directx \

 --enable-dbgutil \

 --enable-pch \

 --disable-atl \

 --disable-activex \

 --disable-binfilter \

 --without-junit

 3)  Bootstrap ran properly.

 4)  dmake is failing to build stlport module with the error
 File to Patch:


 Options that I have tried:

 1)  Resolving the conflicts by going to separate files like
 VC7.mak, _monetary.c, _num_put.c, _time_facets.c, _list.h.

 After resolving conflicts it gives error as below:

 .\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
 'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
 *,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in 
 'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

 2)  I tried moving from Visual Studio 2008 to Visual Studio 2010.

 It starts giving other error about a file named exception under 
 Visual Studio. I believe Visual Studio 2010 is not supported by 
 OpenOffice.

 3)  I tried replacing module stlport-4.5 with stlport-5.2.1
 and compiling  the module. (With Visual Studio 2008)

 But I am still facing the same issue.

 .\streambuf.cpp(43) : error C2511:
 'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits::basic_streambuf(FILE
 *,FILE *)' : overloaded member function not found in 
 'stlp_std::basic_streambuf_CharT,_Traits'

 It would be very helpful if someone can help me in resolving this 
 issue or if someone have faced the same issue earlier.

 I believe this is not an issue related to code but a configuration issue.

 Thanks in Advance,
 Ankur Singhal

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