Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

[Roberto Galoppini]

+1.

Il giorno Ven 2 Nov 2018, 11:29 Jim Jagielski  ha scritto:

> +1 for release! Thx for RMing.
>
> > On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:52 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> >
> > Let's try again.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the vote on Release Candidate 1 for the 4.1.6 Release.
> >
> > The vote will close on Wednesday the 7.11.2018.
> >
> > The binaries and the source for testing are to be taken from:
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.6-RC1/
> >
> > We follow the policy for the Apache policy on Release Approval at
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval
> >
> > In order to create a binding vote individuals are REQUIRED to
> >
> >* download all signed _source code_ packages onto their own hardware,
> >
> >* verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
> >as described below,
> >
> >* validate all cryptographic signatures,
> >
> >* compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
> >
> > In order to create a normal vote individuals are REQUIRED to
> >
> >* download all signed _binary_ packages onto their own hardware,
> >
> >* verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
> >as described below,
> >
> >* validate all cryptographic signatures,
> >
> >* compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > The Release Candidate 1 for 4.1.6 has passed my tests.
> >
> > [+1] yes / +1
> >
> > [ ] no / -1
> >
> > I have tested
> >
> > Windows Release
> >
> >[ ] source / binding
> >
> >[ ] binary
> >
> > Linux Release 32 bit
> >
> >[X] source / binding
> >
> >[X] binary
> >
> > Linux Release 64 bit
> >
> >[X] source / binding
> >
> >[X] binary
> >
> > MacOSX Release
> >
> >[X] source / binding
> >
> >[X] binary
> >
>
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Re: Logo for facebook account

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi Matthias,

Let me know if anything else, happy to help.

Roberto

2018-07-07 12:48 GMT+02:00 Matthias Seidel :

> Thanks Roberto! ;-)
>
> Looks good:
> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
>
> Am 01.07.2018 um 20:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > To those who have administrative access to our facebook account, I would
> > like to have the logo updated:
> >
> > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-Facebook.png
> >
> > This brings it to the same level as Google+, YouTube and Twitter.
> >
> > Regards,
> >Matthias
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Extensions website outage

[Roberto Galoppini]

2018-03-01 21:23 GMT+01:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> Dave Brondsema wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/18 12:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> I currently get this on https://extensions.openoffice.org/ for the
>>> record:
>>> "Sourceforge project sites are currently under maintenance. Please check
>>> back
>>> later.  We thank you for your patience."
>>>
>>
>> Correct.  We will be prioritizing getting the extensions and templates
>> sites up
>> as soon as we can, we know they are important services.
>>
>
> OK, thanks. Indeed SourceForge used to provide excellent service for
> hosting of downloads, Extensions and Templates. It seems that after the
> move to the new datacenter announced a few week ago (maybe just a
> coincidence, maybe some technical issues related to the new infrastructure)
> reliability problems are more frequent. I hope bugs will be ironed out soon.
>



As the person who made possible for SourceForge to become Apache OpenOffice
official distribution channel, I feel compelled to advance some asks.

1. SourceForge should inform us in advance if infrastructural changes are
on going, so that we can plan in advance a backup plan;
(and to be clear I think we need a backup plan anyway, uptime should be
taken very seriously by a popular project)

2. We understand SourceForge is having issues to let things work, yet we
expect OUR infrastructure to be your top priority
(reason: multiply over 100M downloads for a dozen impressions, it's a
LOT of money, we're special to SourceForge)

Please understand my asks are setting a very low bar. In fact we're not
talking of giving us back - as SourceForge used to do regularly until two
years ago, think of Extensions and Templates continuous improvements - but
we merely talk of providing a download service, something SourceForge
should do right for its own business interests. Fail to comply with these
basic requirements is not acceptable in my opinion.

Best,

Roberto





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>   Andrea.
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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.5-RC1 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

Same here, for both Win and Mac.

+1 (binding)

2017-12-21 10:59 GMT+01:00 Marcus :

> +1 (binding)
>
> This time I haven't got thr time to do all things. So, as an exception
> I've just downloaded, checked and installed 4.1.5 for en-US and de on Linux
> 64-bit. I've created and loaded some document and haven't seen problems.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 18.12.2017 um 14:24 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.5-RC1
>> as GA!!
>>
>> You can find these gems at:
>>
>>  https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.5-RC1/
>>
>> The vote will last at least the normal 72 hours.
>>
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Re: New graphics for YouTube, Twitter and Facebook

[Roberto Galoppini]

Successfully update on Twitter!

Thanks

2017-12-15 20:55 GMT+01:00 Matthias Seidel :

> Hi all,
>
> I renewed the graphics for our YouTube page:
> https://www.youtube.com/c/openoffice
>
> A similar one for Twitter:
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-Twitter.png
>
> and one for Facebook:
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-Facebook.png
>
> Take it, if you like. ;-)
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Roberto Galoppini]

Il 08 Dic 2017 8:53 PM, "Marcus"  ha scritto:

End of October I wrote that I would like to resign from the Apache
OpenOffice PMC Chair position. I'm the chair a bit more than 1 year and
until now we have rotated the role every year.

Luckily we have 2 volunteers: Carl and Peter. Therefore please vote by
replying to this thread





[X ] Carl Marcum (cmarcum)


Binding.

Roberto


[ ] Peter Kovacs (petko)
[ ] Abstain (I cannot/won't choose between them)

The [VOTE] will close in about 7 days (Fri 15 Dec 2017, 21:00 UTC), to give
all PMC members the opportunity to participate. For a converted time
fitting to your location see here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20171215T2100

After the vote:
I will submit a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced by the most
voted of the 2 candidates. The plan is to submit the resolution for the
Board meeting on 20th December 2017, so that it can be effective right
after that.

PS:
The next board report is due for mid January and of course I will help the
new chair with this but also other chair tasks.

Marcus

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Re: Tweet new build

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-12-03 19:12 GMT+01:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> FR web forum wrote:
>
>> No news about 4.1.4 build.
>> Anybody to tweet this annoucement?
>> https://twitter.com/ openofficeorg
>>
>
> This is not the official OpenOffice Twitter account. The official account
> is
>
> https://twitter.com/apacheoo
>
> that is managed, as far as I know, by Roberto on behalf of the PMC. And of
> course it provided coverage of the 4.1.4 release.
>

I think it's co-managed, and I'll take the chance to ask if anyone else is
willing to join the team. In the specific case it has been just a RT of the
Apache's tweet.
Next time or when appropriate we can ship it beofre anyone else and let
others RT, though.

Roberto


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>   Andrea.
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Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC5 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-10-18 20:02 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>
>> Even though he is a PMC member his vote cannot be counted as binding as
>> he did not build from source as is required by Apache Policy.
>>
>
> This is OK as long as the Apache Policy doesn't get in the way too much...
> I mean, I highly appreciate when people provide a list of what they did to
> justify their +1. But this shouldn't be used "against" them.
>
> For example, our last blocker was only affecting binary builds for Mac and
> not even all Mac installations; but all of us agreed it was a blocker, even
> though it could have gone unnoticed if everybody just did the testing by
> Apache Policy.
>
> So for sure we can keep the tally as it is, but I would tend to just count
> the +1s and -1s, and trust that a PMC member will cast a +1 only if he
> feels OK with it, rather than basing the tally on the descriptions. In the
> end, we really need +1s even from people who only test the binaries.
>

That's exactly where I stand too.

Roberto



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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC5 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

+ 1 (binding)

steps I took.

downloaded binary from:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC5/binaries/en-US/

verified md5 and sha256 checksums and signature.

installed on Mac OS Sierra.

Opened and modified existing documents with the following formats: odt, ods
and .doc .xls. All files were successfully modified and saved.

Created new odt and ods documents and saved.

Roberto

2017-10-15 20:29 GMT+02:00 Carl Marcum :

> + 1 (binding)
>
> steps I took.
>
> downloaded apache-openoffice-4.1.4-r1811857-src.zip from
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC5/sources/
>
> verified md5 and sha256 checksums and signature.
>
> built with all languages on fedora 20 x86-64.
>
> performed smoketestdoc macro and ran bvt tests with results consistent
> with previous versions.
>
> downloaded binary from:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC5/
> binaries/en-US/
>
> verified md5 and sha256 checksums and signature.
>
> installed on fedora 20 x86-64.
>
> performed smoketestdoc macro and ran bvt tests with results consistent
> with previous versions.
>
> verified bz 119208 and 127553 were fixed.
>
> Opened and modified exiting  odt and ods files modified and saved.
>
> created new odt and ods documents and saved.
>
> Thanks,
> Carl
>
>
> On 10/13/2017 08:52 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> Due to a last-minute regression noted in 4.1.4-RC4 (Thx! to
>> all testers, by the way. We are glad this was found before
>> we actually released), 4.1.4-RC4 was revoked as GA.
>>
>> But fear not!
>>
>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC5
>> as GA!!
>>
>> You can find these gems at:
>>
>>   https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC5/
>>
>> The vote will last at least the normal 72 hours.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> --
>> Jim Jagielski
>> On behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project
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Re: Resigning as RM for 4.1.x

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-10-10 21:19 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> I feel bad leaving RM at this stage... we are so close, and I don't want
>> us to lose momentum. But I also don't want there to be drama
>>
>
> Yes, let's avoid drama, really.
>
> But I'll still send this "modest proposal", based on experience:
>
> 1) We just go ahead and release 4.1.4 as scheduled (i.e., we release RC4),
> at some point within the next 7 days. The "synchronize labels" bug becomes
> a "Known Issue" in the release notes.
>
> 2) Starting today, we incorporate fixes on the AOO415 branch and aim at
> releasing it in, say, early November; AOO415 is only meant to fix 4.1.4
> regressions and we try to be reasonably strict about this (i.e., we try to
> avoid the never-ending "just another small fix" syndrome).
>
> 3) We still wait until, say, end of October before producing RCs for 4.1.5
> since this gives us the time to receive reports of other possible
> bugs/regressions to be fixed in 4.1.5.
>
> Can this work? This covers the case where someone finds a bug the day
> after release; this way we have a window for fixing it in a short term.
>

Makes sense to me.
+1

Roberto

>
> My suggestion to keep 4.1.4 was simply pragmatic: those who never updated
> the metadata might believe that 4.1.4->4.1.5 is only a one-line change,
> while the change affects dozens of files and hundreds of XML files related
> to updates and living on another domain. Not something that can be done in
> 10 minutes. Deleting the tag was bad, but we never relied on tags: 4.1.3
> was tagged several months after it was released. To us a release is/was
> simply the distributed source package, not a tag in SVN. But this is a side
> discussion.
>
> Now the question is, is it OK for us to go ahead, release 4.1.4 with this
> "known issue" and commit to fixing this and other possible regressions in
> 4.1.5 next month? Technically, the Release Manager (and I still consider
> Jim to be in charge, of course!) has the last word. But I'd say everybody
> is welcome to comment.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

Despite it's way too late, I wish to add my +1 (binding), since it works
nicely on my AirBook now!

2017-10-04 22:11 GMT+02:00 Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com>:

>
>
> 2017-10-04 0:40 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:
>
>> On 30/09/2017 Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4
>>> as GA!!
>>>
>>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> I did several tests, including:
>> - downloading and verifying the .bz2 sources (checksums, hashes)
>> - making sure these match with SVN: they don't but it is just a cosmetic
>> difference, see https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127544 (not a
>> blocker; it was worse in previous releases)
>> - configured (English+Italian) and built source on Linux-64
>> - verified that the build works (tested with Writer and Calc)
>> - verified LICENSE and NOTICE files
>>
>> Additionally, I've used the 4.1.4-RC "convenience binaries" for several
>> weeks (and recently switched to 4.1.4-RC4):
>> - I didn't notice regressions with respect to 4.1.3.
>> - I verified that the update connects to the expected internal URL on
>> https://ooo-updates.apache.org/
>>
>> I still recommend that we verify better the issue reported by Roberto: if
>> we determine the cause and find a workaround then, depending on how common
>> it is, we may add it to the release notes (assuming we conclude it is not a
>> blocker). More in the dedicated thread.
>>
>
> I confirm the problem persist, but it's NOT related to the actual release,
> it's happening also with older versions (followed Patricia's hint, good
> spot!).
> For the sake of it I have also installed Java, but it does not depend on
> that.
>
> Whatever is the root cause, it's clearly not an Apache OpenOffice *
> problem.
>
> Roberto
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-10-04 0:40 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> On 30/09/2017 Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4
>> as GA!!
>>
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> I did several tests, including:
> - downloading and verifying the .bz2 sources (checksums, hashes)
> - making sure these match with SVN: they don't but it is just a cosmetic
> difference, see https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127544 (not a
> blocker; it was worse in previous releases)
> - configured (English+Italian) and built source on Linux-64
> - verified that the build works (tested with Writer and Calc)
> - verified LICENSE and NOTICE files
>
> Additionally, I've used the 4.1.4-RC "convenience binaries" for several
> weeks (and recently switched to 4.1.4-RC4):
> - I didn't notice regressions with respect to 4.1.3.
> - I verified that the update connects to the expected internal URL on
> https://ooo-updates.apache.org/
>
> I still recommend that we verify better the issue reported by Roberto: if
> we determine the cause and find a workaround then, depending on how common
> it is, we may add it to the release notes (assuming we conclude it is not a
> blocker). More in the dedicated thread.
>

I confirm the problem persist, but it's NOT related to the actual release,
it's happening also with older versions (followed Patricia's hint, good
spot!).
For the sake of it I have also installed Java, but it does not depend on
that.

Whatever is the root cause, it's clearly not an Apache OpenOffice * problem.

Roberto



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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

Il 04 Ott 2017 00:49, "Andrea Pescetti" <pesce...@apache.org> ha scritto:

On 03/10/2017 Roberto Galoppini wrote:

2017-10-03 19:47 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher:
>
>> What do you have in /Users//Library/Application
>> Support/OpenOffice/4/user?
>>
> Nothing, I've simulated a fresh new start.
>

I see that you had 4.1.3 installed and it was working correctly. You
renamed the user profile (to simulate a fresh installation) and installed
4.1.4.

How far do you get when you start OpenOffice? For example:
- Does the new profile folder get created or OpenOffice dies before
creating it?


It does that.

- Can you see, even for a fraction of a second, the OpenOffice splash
screen?


No way.


Probably it would be best if you can start OpenOffice from a terminal (look
for an executable called "soffice"). It should output something to the
terminal before dying and that will probably give some clues to understand
what the problem is due to and how common we can expect it to be.

I've just tried this on another Mac, with the very same operating system,
and it works.
I need to wait until later today to retry on the other machine, let's say
in 6 hours from now.

Best,

Roberto













As I wrote in the vote thread: it might be that this bug is not so common
to be considered a blocker, but if it is not due to your particular
configuration then we should mention it in the Release Notes once it is
clarified/explained.




Regards,
  Andrea.


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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-10-03 21:06 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>:

> Hi -
>
> On System Preferences / Security & Preferences what is your Allow apps
> downloaded set to? It should be App Store and identified developers.
>

Correct.



>
> If you go into Terminal what are your permissions on /Users/ user>/Library/Application Support/.?
>

drwxr-xr-x


>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2017-10-03 19:47 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>:
>
> Hi -
>
> I am on MacOS 10.12.6 (16G29)
>
> I had to control click and then open. It worked for me but then I had a
> prior setup. I renamed my prior setup and opened again correctly with user
> name registration.
>
> What do you have in/Users/davewave/Library/Application
> Support/OpenOffice/4/user/4/user?
>
>
>
> Nothing, I've simulated a fresh new start.
>
> Roberto
>
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> I've re-downloaded again, it does not work. Does anyone else have tried
> that? I'm really the only one facing problem with this build?
>
> 2017-10-03 15:04 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>
> Did you happen to check keys or do a sumcheck on the download? This is
> sounding like it could be a file that was corrupted somewhere in the build,
> upload, download, install chain.
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 5:13 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
> Double-clicking.
>
> 2017-10-03 13:42 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:
>
> How do you open it? Dbl-click the Icon? Select it and choose Open?
>
> Alt-click Open?
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:51 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
>
>
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It never launched, actually. It crashes before anything else.
>
> 2017-10-03 11:24 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>
> Do you do anything in particular, such as open some type of document,
>
> before it crashes?
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 12:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
> I was trying to test
>
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I
>
> couldn't, it
>
>
> keeps crashing.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Roberto
>
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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-10-03 19:47 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>:

> Hi -
>
> I am on MacOS 10.12.6 (16G29)
>
> I had to control click and then open. It worked for me but then I had a
> prior setup. I renamed my prior setup and opened again correctly with user
> name registration.
>
> What do you have in /Users//Library/Application
> Support/OpenOffice/4/user?
>

Nothing, I've simulated a fresh new start.

Roberto


> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've re-downloaded again, it does not work. Does anyone else have tried
> that? I'm really the only one facing problem with this build?
>
> 2017-10-03 15:04 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>
> Did you happen to check keys or do a sumcheck on the download? This is
> sounding like it could be a file that was corrupted somewhere in the build,
> upload, download, install chain.
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 5:13 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
> Double-clicking.
>
> 2017-10-03 13:42 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:
>
> How do you open it? Dbl-click the Icon? Select it and choose Open?
>
> Alt-click Open?
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:51 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
>
>
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It never launched, actually. It crashes before anything else.
>
> 2017-10-03 11:24 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>
> Do you do anything in particular, such as open some type of document,
>
> before it crashes?
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 12:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
> I was trying to test
>
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I
>
> couldn't, it
>
>
> keeps crashing.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Roberto
>
>
> -
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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

I've re-downloaded again, it does not work. Does anyone else have tried
that? I'm really the only one facing problem with this build?

2017-10-03 15:04 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:

> Did you happen to check keys or do a sumcheck on the download? This is
> sounding like it could be a file that was corrupted somewhere in the build,
> upload, download, install chain.
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 5:13 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
>> Double-clicking.
>>
>> 2017-10-03 13:42 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:
>>
>> How do you open it? Dbl-click the Icon? Select it and choose Open?
>>> Alt-click Open?
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:51 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
>>>>
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It never launched, actually. It crashes before anything else.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-10-03 11:24 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Do you do anything in particular, such as open some type of document,
>>>>> before it crashes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/2017 12:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was trying to test
>>>>>> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I
>>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't, it
>>>
>>>> keeps crashing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

Double-clicking.

2017-10-03 13:42 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:

> How do you open it? Dbl-click the Icon? Select it and choose Open?
> Alt-click Open?
>
> > On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:51 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It never launched, actually. It crashes before anything else.
> >
> > 2017-10-03 11:24 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
> >
> >> Do you do anything in particular, such as open some type of document,
> >> before it crashes?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/3/2017 12:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was trying to test
> >>> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I
> couldn't, it
> >>> keeps crashing.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Roberto
> >>>
> >>>
> >> -
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
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> >>
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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

It never launched, actually. It crashes before anything else.

2017-10-03 11:24 GMT+02:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:

> Do you do anything in particular, such as open some type of document,
> before it crashes?
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 12:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
>> I was trying to test
>> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I couldn't, it
>> keeps crashing.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>
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Re: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

macOS version 10.12 (16A323)
Yes, I did reset that.

2017-10-03 10:12 GMT+02:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr>:

> Could you provide more details about your OS version?
> Did you reset your user profile before installation?
>
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Roberto Galoppini" <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com>
> À: "dev" <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> Envoyé: Mardi 3 Octobre 2017 09:28:35
> Objet: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac
>
> I was trying to test
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I couldn't, it
> keeps crashing.
>
> Best,
>
> Roberto
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 as GA

[Roberto Galoppini]

I can't vote until I get a better understanding of why it keeps crashing on
my Mac.

Roberto

2017-10-02 19:23 GMT+02:00 Don Lewis :

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> I built a FreeBSD package from the source tarball and installed it on
> my daily desktop.  No obvious regressions, and documents that have links
> to external ole objects pop up the dialog box when opened.
>
> On 30 Sep, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > I am calling a VOTE on releasing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4
> > as GA!!
> >
> > You can find these gems at:
> >
> >   https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC4/
> >
> > The vote will last at least the normal 72 hours.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > --
> > Jim Jagielski
> > On behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project
> >
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Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 crashes on Mac

[Roberto Galoppini]

I was trying to test
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg but I couldn't, it
keeps crashing.

Best,

Roberto

Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 23:37, Simon Phipps  wrote:

> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
> >
> > However, it doesn't matter. There is no reason to provide download pages
> > to offer outdated versions - based on w.oo.o. Of course we cannot
> influence
> > what others are offering on their webpages.


Actually the trademark owner can ask third parties to distribute only the
last version, or allow them to distribute older versions as far as links to
the last version are also made available in a prominent way.

>
>
> I disagree. I and users I support have often had reason to download old
> versions of software. The most common cause is because they are using an
> outdated operating system they can't change for some reason, but sometimes
> a feature or a bug of a given version is needed.
>
> There's no need to promote them, but removing them is a mistake.


I agree.

Roberto


>
> S.
>

Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

[Roberto Galoppini]

Exactly.
It seems just a distraction to me, unless I've missed hidden or untold
bonus points.

R

2017-05-02 13:11 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski :

> The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
> as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
> of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
> between being a source-only project and "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
> community-builds" would be lost on them...
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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

[Roberto Galoppini]

Great job, like them!

Roberto

2017-04-15 18:56 GMT+02:00 Matthias Seidel :

> Hello all,
>
> For those who want to have a look, take:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdjd6z6u2rgl1e2/intro.png?dl=0
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpkjy5xbiusg51f/logo.png?dl=0
>
> and exchange both graphics in your OpenOffice "program" folder.
>
> Let me know what you think of it...
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
> Am 15.04.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Marcus:
> > Am 14.04.2017 um 14:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> >> At some point (4.1.0?) the ASF logo was removed from the splash screen.
> >>
> >> Older version (4.0.1):
> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/
> AOO401/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png
> >>
> >>
> >> I would like to ask if we want to re-add the new ASF logo as the graphic
> >> must be updated anyway [1] ?
> >>
> >> [1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122376
> >
> > it's also gone from the About dialog (menu Help - About). Maybe
> > because the same graphic is used.
> >
> > Yes, let's add the feather again to the graphic.
> >
> > Will you make a graphical proposal?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > -
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> >
>
>
>

Re: [Homepage] Download count at 211,000,000+

[Roberto Galoppini]

Big +1.

2017-03-09 20:59 GMT+01:00 Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>:

> Hi Roberto, Hi Marcus,
>
> Please have a look:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads-test.html
>
> If the colours are OK I would take them also for the other graphs.
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
> Am 09.03.2017 um 13:45 schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
> > Matthias it looks great, really!
> >
> > I fully agree on Markus' suggestions.
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 at 23:54, Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Marcus,
> >>
> >> Good idea!
> >>
> >> I could modify the test page tomorrow...
> >>
> >> Regards, Matthias
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 08.03.2017 um 23:22 schrieb Marcus:
> >>> Maybe it's also good to change the focus, so first the graphs and
> >>> below them the text. As the most interesting part is - of course - the
> >>> numbers and not the explaining text I would see this as another
> >>> improvement. So, you can see the numbers without the need to scroll.
> >>>
> >>> Marcus
> >>>
> >>> -
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [Homepage] Download count at 211,000,000+

[Roberto Galoppini]

Matthias it looks great, really!

I fully agree on Markus' suggestions.

Roberto

On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 at 23:54, Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Hi Marcus,
>
> Good idea!
>
> I could modify the test page tomorrow...
>
> Regards, Matthias
>
>
> Am 08.03.2017 um 23:22 schrieb Marcus:
> >
> > Maybe it's also good to change the focus, so first the graphs and
> > below them the text. As the most interesting part is - of course - the
> > numbers and not the explaining text I would see this as another
> > improvement. So, you can see the numbers without the need to scroll.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > -
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> >
>
>
>

Re: Templates Site "Access Denied"

[Roberto Galoppini]

2017-03-04 10:04 GMT+01:00 Marcus :

> Am 03.03.2017 um 00:43 schrieb Dave Brondsema:
>
>> A few bits I missed addressing on my prior email:
>>
>> I have been able to reproduce the error simply by visiting the site and
>> clicking on the name of any template, using an incognito Chrome
>> window on
>> ChromeOS to ensure there are no statefulness issues.
>>
>
>> I can't reproduce it like that.  The example link errors out, but all the
>> templates I find just browsing around work.
>>
>> I've no access to the site so can't investigate further. Can someone with
>> admin rights investigate please?
>>
>
> as you know for sure we also have no access to any webpages that are
> hosted by Sourceforge. So, we cannot do anything here.
>
> I don't know if somebody ping'ed already Sourceforge about this
> problem.
> But I'll do it here again.
>

>> This community should have access and should be able to maintain the site.
>> SourceForge users "aooadmin" and "ipv6guru" are admins of the
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/ project which
>> corresponds to the
>> templates.openoffice.org site.  Others can be added (ideally by those 2
>> users,
>> so we at SourceForge don't have verify identities).  Documentation for web
>> hosting is at
>> https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Project%20Web%20Services/
>> and I
>> believe should work fine for the templates site, although we have made a
>> few
>> specific customizations compared to regular SourceForge project web
>> hosting.
>> Same goes for aoo-extensions.
>>
>
> OK, but I've no idea what to do to check and fix such erros? I think we
> still need some help in this case.
>

Dave as you know in past we got that stuff done by a contractor, as you
probably remember it's a Drupal application and the community seems to lack
the necessary expertise.
If you have access to internal skilled resources it would be great if
SourceForge could provide help with that, as you can see we're kind of
stuck atm.

Thanks,

Roberto

Re: Contact to SourceForge

[Roberto Galoppini]

Dave Brondsema is our contact. May I ask you what is the problem you're
trying to solve?

Roberto

2017-02-15 22:52 GMT+01:00 Raphael Bircher :

> Hi all
>
> I search our contact to SourceForge. Has anyone the information?
>
> Regards Raphael
>
> --
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Article

[Roberto Galoppini]

Nice coverage.

https://smallbiztrends.com/2016/12/what-is-openoffice.html

Re: New Committer: Matthias Seidel

[Roberto Galoppini]

Welcome on board Matthias!

Roberto

On Nov 15, 2016 7:27 PM, "Marcus"  wrote:

> We as OpenOffice PMC are happy to announce that Matthias Seidel (mseidel)
> is a new committer in our project.
>
> Please give him a warm welcome. :-)
>
> Marcus
> (on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice MC)
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Re: Request for Nofollow or Removal of Links to My Site at Openoffice

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-09-28 1:54 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> On 24/09/2016 Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>> Someone of the DEV team may have access to templates and extensions sites
>> which are hosted at sourceforge by agreement with the Apache OpenOffice PMC.
>> Can someone help?
>>
>
> As I wrote to the dev list last month, a number of PMC members have access
> as moderators. So I think any of us (me included) can remove content.
>
> Still, we are wasting our time to help a self-admitted abuser get their
> templates removed since they discovered their voluntary abuse will penalize
> them in search engines.
>

I concur to that, I've seen similar requests coming from hundreds of open
source projects in my past business life. Let's be very clear about what
the problem REALLY is:

1. "SEO experts" got hired, lots of links get set here and there
2. The customer realize via Google search tools that hurt THEM
3. They ask you to clean up their own garbage
4. Classic mantra: by cleaning your site your Google karma will benefit

Now, those links do not affect AOOE/T Google karma in any measurable
manner, and considering that those templates are of little interest to our
audience (0 downloads) I believe that also associated links don't get
clicked.



>
> Wouldn't it make more sense if the account is re-enabled and they clean up
> after themselves? This could speed things up, since I won't have time to
> look into this before version 4.1.3 is released - possibly next week, but
> if they really are in a hurry they might want to take care of this
> themselves as soon as possible.


Let's leave to them to clean them up, we probably just need to give their
spammer account the possibility to do so. Interesting to notice the account
was suspended, all in all anti-spam measures have been improved! ;-)

Roberto



> Formbirds, if you prefer this option just tell us.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Request for Nofollow or Removal of Links to My Site at Openoffice

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-09-26 17:03 GMT+02:00 Dave Brondsema :

> Hi,
>
> Short answer: we'll take a look and see what we can do.
>
> For reference, the Templates site is managed through the
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/ project on SourceForge.
> Web
> hosting documentation here:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Project%20Web%20Services/
> Gav and
> Andrea Pescetti ("aooadmin") have access to the project, and we can add
> more.
> Similarly the extensions site is run through the "aoo-extensions" project
> with
> same admins plus Roberto too.  I don't see an OOOUSERS wiki page
> documenting
> this, perhaps I can create one soon.
>
> I do see quite a bit of spam and blank/forbidden items on the templates
> site, so
> it does need some cleanup for sure.
>
> We do have some Drupal experience inhouse at SourceForge, I can talk with
> our
> team and see how soon we can get in there and address this formsbirds.com
> request, as well as maybe a bit more cleanup.
>
> Andrea, if you're reading this, do you have any pointers regarding the
> administration of the extensions/templates?  I think you've done most of
> the
> work on them in the past.  Our in-house guys can probably help out but
> aren't
> familiar with the specifics of these sites at all.
>

I've reached out to Andrea already, but he is not around until Thursday or
so.
I think it's a good idea to let your guys get familiar with both AOOE/AOOT,
and don't forget to invite them to join us over here, they'd be welcome!

Thanks,

Roberto




>
> -Dave
>
> On 9/25/16 2:31 PM, Marcus wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > in a previous mail this month you have written that you are available
> for help
> > in case of topics that belogs to Sourceforge. Actually we have now a
> case that
> > needs to be worked on on your side.
> >
> > Like reported below they have a problem with redirected links from
> > "templates.openoffice.org" that comes from a blocked user account.
> >
> > It would be great if you can contact the support team of Formbirds.com to
> > coordinate what could be done.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 09/25/2016 04:51 PM, schrieb Formsbirds:
> >> Dear Webmaster,
> >>
> >> I'm writing to ask for adding "Nofollow" tag to the links that pointed
> to my
> >> site - formsbirds.com or remove them completely.
> >> We found thousands of links pointed to our site from
> templates.openoffice.org.
> >> The links are under an account named susie...@yandex.com.
> >> This was caused by a SEO team we hired. We want to get our templates
> shared to
> >> more users via your site and hired a SEO team to upload our templates
> to your
> >> site. But they are too aggressive and put too many links inside.
> >> Now we found thousands of backlinks from your site, which are actually
> bad to
> >> our site.
> >> We have contacted the SEO team to remove the links under the user
> >> accountsusie...@yandex.com, while they told us the account had been
> blocked
> >> and they couldn't log in to delete the links.
> >> We ask for the removal of all the links, or just add "nofollow" tag to
> those
> >> links pointed to our website from your side. You can still keep the
> documents
> >> that have uploaded at your website if those templates ate useful to
> users, but
> >> please delete the links pointed to our site.
> >> Katie Williams
> >> Formsbirds.com
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President for Apache OpenOffice

[Roberto Galoppini]

> [X] +1 Approve
> [  ]  0 Abstain
> [  ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation
>
>
Roberto

Re: [NOMINATION REQUEST] Next Chair of AOO Project Management Committee

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thank you!

2016-09-15 16:36 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> On 14/09/2016 Marcus wrote:
>
>> I will volunteer to take over the role as next Chair.
>>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Andrea
>
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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sep 3, 2016 7:46 PM, "Andrea Pescetti"  wrote:
>
> Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>
>> I had already submitted a talk for this year's ApacheConEU
>
>
> Ah, nice! An OpenOffice-specific talk or a generic one? I mean, would it
fit into a (hypothetical, of course; everything depends on reviewers)
OpenOffice track or not?

If a bunch of us is willing to go I might join the party.

Roberto

> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Resigning from Apache OpenOffice

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sep 2, 2016 4:03 PM, "Andrea Pescetti"  wrote:
>
> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>> I'm resigning from Apache OpenOffice.
>
>
> Seeing your enthusiasm until yesterday, I think I can easily guess the
reason. Rest assured, I am feeling bullied too.
>
> So, what can we, the people who actively work (as volunteers) on
OpenOffice, and who plan releases, and who have committed code until this
very day, do? Should we all reply and leave?

Kay I do know it's hard to get slapped in the face in spite of the good
work, but it's time to stay united and stand.

Please ignore the fuss, your buddies here are with you to keep the ball
rolling, against all odds.

Think it again, PLEASE.

Roberto

> I prefer that we gather support for continuing what we were doing (i.e.,
just plan the next release), maybe getting some excuses from the
well-meaning people who did not want to start a thread with the idea of
destroying a honorable project.
>
> I hope you will reconsider, or at least take the necessary time to see
what people are doing. I'm very disappointed by today's discussions. I'll
stand by for the time being. And I hope all the other "active" people share
this vision and are prepared to offer an alternative to retirement in the
form of a release.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sep 2, 2016 3:29 PM, "Jim Jagielski"  wrote:
>
> Yes, I would assume that many existing people would leave.
>
> But, as I mentioned, I would assume (hope) that many people
> would join, and many of those would be from others in the
> entire OO eco-system.
>
> Your reply seems to suggest that with the current status of AOO,
> maintaining an end-user focus is possible. Current evidence,
> unfortunately, makes that somewhat questionable.

Jim if you're paying attention, and I say if just because I know you have
been out of touch recently, you can't have missed that a number of positive
things HAPPENED here. So if you see people having confidence maybe it would
be good to think twice and wonder if we might have reasons to think
otherwise.

> The current status-quo is untenable and unacceptable. Change
> needs to happen. I suggested one route, nothing more, nothing
> less.

We are on the same page here, and if security issues (real ones) would be
left uncovered it would be fine if you and/or the board will step in.

In the meanwhile PLEASE let us work, and let's see if we can keep changing
in the right direction.

Thanks,

Roberto

>
> > On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:52 AM, RA Stehmann 
wrote:
> >
> > Am 02.09.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> >
> >>
> >> What is obvious is that the AOO project cannot support, at the present
> >> time, being an end-user focused effort. I would suggest we focus on not
> >> being one, but instead being a framework or library that can be
consumed
> >> by actual end-user implementations.
> >>
> >
> > If AOO is not an end-user focused project a lot of people will leave
> > this community because they will be useless. People who are doing
> > end-user support, who are doing end-user documentation and are doing
> > what we call "marketing" etc.
> >
> > Also people, who build binaries are obsolet. Only coders will be needed
> > and I don't know, whether all remained will stay under that conditions.
> >
> > I don't see a great difference between that way and a retirement.
> >
> > The first way might be the "Apache way", but it is definitely not the
> > way for and of the OpenOffice community.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[Roberto Galoppini]

Quick top note: to avoid multiple mails I'll comment this and the others
messages here.

First, I totally agree with Andrea, let's focus on what needs to be done,
it's inappropriate at best to discuss anything related to the shutdown at
this time. Yet if someone enjoys the exercise of style that's ok, but
please don't ask people doing the work to stop doing the right thing for
engaging in this game. Enough said.

Second, as Michael says we need more developers. When I was at SourceForge
we have been often able to help projects here and there to find more
developers, I'm confident Dave Brondsema (Apache Allura VP) can help us to
get one or more calls out via forums, blog and newsletters.

On the same line we could ask some help to get the news out via Slashdot, I
guess at the end of the day after all the blame it would be a news to let
people know the community is still there, and some how growing. As far as
we're ok with the Slashdot style of communication, we would probably have
good chance to be covered.


On Friday, 2 September 2016, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> > From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
> ]
>
> > the situation as I see it (I am no developer) is, that we need
> > "developers, developers, developers, developers ... ".
>
> > [...]
>
> This is not wrong, but ...
>
> Developers will participate primarily in projects which remain publicly
> well.
>
> If we look at LibreOffice and compare:
> LibreOffice, that is *good* (not more) software and *excellent* public
> relations.
> OpenOffice, that is *exellent* software and *pretty bad* public relations.
>
> We need to understand evaluate software as the normal user: their first
> scale is essential to public presentation of a software, and only
> secondarily the purely technical characteristics of a software.
>
> We need to understand the difference between a software such as the Apache
> Webserver https://httpd.apache.org/ (a software for experts) and
> OpenOffice (a software for end users).
>
>
> The problem of AOO is a Specific:
>
> many people who have worked for OOo (.org!) done their way and OOo has
> accepted the results and the work integrated into the project.
>
> The operation of Apache is too formalistic for such people, for example,
> for the local German community of OpenOffice. At the time of OpenOffice.org
> many helpers did their part, because there were few organizational hurdles.
>
> Example:
> I have been working for many years for the PrOOo-box (
> http://www.prooo-box.org), at the very beginning was that a purely
> private project, BUT it was always a project to support OpenOffice.
> The community of OOo has recognized this and has the PrOOo-box as part of
> OpenOffice accepted (more precisely, as part of the German community of OO).
>
> In Apache, however we are only "third-party". No question, the
> classification as "third-party" is formally correct, because it conforms to
> the rules of Apache, but it inhibits the practical work.
>
> *It is urgently needed to give local communities more autonomy, which
> would forward the work.*
>
>
> Let me say for my own:
> I work more than 10 years for OpenOffice (.org and Apache) and I am all
> the time loyal to OpenOffice. I am now a committer of Apache, and of course
> I respect the rules of Apache ... BUT in practice, there are task where you
> have to act, and it is not always time to comply with formalities.
>
> example:
> Last month, the PrOOo-box was published in a large German IT magazine [1].
> This was a great success for the PrOOo-box. I would have preferred if it
> had been a success for OpenOffice.
>
> What i mean?
> We (the german community, and all local communities) need the opportunity
> to speak locally for OpenOffice. It is undisputed that this must be
> coordinated with the international Apache OpenOffice community, but this
> coordination can only be done in the form of a frame, not for every single
> little action, because we have no time for the coordination of every detail.


> Having been part of OOo in the old times I remember well the local
> chapters, wonder if that would really collide with the Apache way, though.
> Speak locally not only should be possible, but also praised. I understand
> the "third party" thing might be more complex to handle, still we could
> evalute on a case by case basis what we could do. Even if it takes time,
> maybe it's not a waste of it.


> Roberto


>
>
>
> Greetings
> Jörg
>
>
> [1]
> https://www.idgshop.de/PC-WELT-Plus-09-2016.htm?
> websale8=idg=1-6058=2-5278
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-05-20 23:36 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk :

>
>
> On 05/20/2016 02:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I don't want to get too fussy, but we are talking about different
>> statistics here.  Comment inline.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:54
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>
 Guys, please ...

 I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our
>
 Google
>>>
 Analytics usage.
>
> ...
>
> * There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but
>
 the
>>>
 "user" information is translated into something called a "client id"
> -- so
> not by IP.
>

 Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about

>>> our
>>>
 users to
 a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific

>>> users
>>>
 and
 that already may own the content of your emails and navigation

>>> history.
>>>

 Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
 the latest
 searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
 will also
 likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
 whatever
 Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.

>>>
>>> I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and
>>> age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm
>>> in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.
>>>
>>>
 Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ...

>>> let's
>>>
 stop it now.

>>>
>>> Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially,
>>> it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is
>>> using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.
>>>
>> [orcmid]
>>
>> I get all of the download statistics I see from SourceForge.  That is
>> based on the downloads they serve and should have nothing to do with what
>> we do on our web pages with regard to Google Analytics, etc.
>>
>> Knowing the browser information, including default OS and language
>> preference, is different than knowing what download, if any, they are
>> requesting.  I suspect SourceForge has that information on the
>> click-throughs to where they serve the requests, whether or not we provide
>> tracking on the AOO pages.
>>
>
> That is correct. So whatever is "collected" from the download page vis a
> vis browser, OS, OS version, etc, would be the same OS version info that
> would be available for collection by SourceForge. But, I don't know what
> SourceForge collects in this regard, if anything. What we see from that
> site is downloads based on filename. They may not be saving any of the
> client information.
>
> Of course, the visits to www.openoffice.org/download do NOT automatically
> translate to an actual download.


Correct, conversion rate needs to be checked end-to-end.

Also considering we're a pretty unique Apache project in terms of download
volumes, we should always be on top of both analytics and detailed data
(e.g. not only # daily downloads but also peak hours volumes). I remember
the days when we didn't have a clue about those figures and sizing
infrastructure for AOOE/T was just a guess work.

Roberto



>
>
>
>>>
>>>
 Pedro.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 mag 2016, at 09:07, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 05/16/2016 12:02 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>> PROPOSAL
>>> Remove all tracking elements from AOO-authored and published web pages.
>> 
>> As it is, I don't like this proposal. I mean, removing Google Analytics
>> for example is quite a strong move since we don't have anything equally
>> informative in place. Sure, we could use other systems (and in principle
>> I would support this option) or collect nothing, but the "We are not
>> using it" argument is not really strong for analytics where the
>> historical values are important; so what we collect today may be useful
>> in future, even if we don't use it today.
> 
> simply +1

+1

> 
>>> BACKGROUND
>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126959 browsers now report
>>> that there is insecure content being provided on some of the pages
>> 
>> This is a much narrower case and here I agree that we should
>> investigate/remove. But so long as something works well I don't see a
>> reason to remove it; I don't like it very much, but others have used it
>> in the past and may need to use it in future.
> 
> The proposal from Dennis and the reason for it is not connected - at least 
> this is my opinion.
> 
> The reason for browser error messages that HTTP and HTTPS content is mixed-up 
> is in no relation with collecting some data about website visitors.
> 
> I also think we should keep the analytics stuff like it is and concentrate on 
> the problems that just results in a wrong usage of URLs in the HTML code on 
> some webpages.

Fully agree. Only issue maybe to comunicate clearly and properly we do use 
cookies for such a purpose, as recommended by few national regulations.

Roberto

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Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Eventually posted on our blog,
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_extensions_and_templates

Thanks Marcus, Dennis and Andrea to help me to sort this out.

2016-01-27 17:15 GMT+01:00 Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:

> In the past I could add new users to the blog but this time I had to open
> a ticket for Infra:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11130
>
> Please be patient.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
> Am 01/27/2016 04:47 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> thanks Marcus.
>> I'd like to upload it myself, so that I can add some pics too.
>> Can you provide me with an account?
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>> 2016-01-27 15:51 GMT+01:00 Marcus<marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:
>>
>> Thanks for the text. Looks good and should be definitely go to our blog.
>>> So, do you want to blog this on your own (then you need access) or
>>> should I
>>> do this for you (then with my name as author)?
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 01/26/2016 06:56 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>>>
>>> Draft blog post, see below. I couldn't upload a draft version since I do
>>>> not have (yet) access to the blog.
>>>>
>>>> Apache OpenOffice Extensions and Templates New Sites
>>>>
>>>> Since 2012 SourceForge has been distributing Apache OpenOffice downloads
>>>> and actively maintaining both Apache OpenOffice Extensions
>>>> <https://extensions.openoffice.org>   and Templates
>>>> <https://templates.openoffice.org>   sites. I wrote a couple of short
>>>> blog
>>>> <https://sourceforge.net/blog/new-apache-openoffice-sites/>posts
>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> about the changes that affect end- users.
>>>>
>>>> Extensions that have not been updated in a while report the following
>>>> message: "Warning message This extension was not updated recently. It
>>>> might
>>>> not work with latest versions of OpenOffice." See for example how looks
>>>> like the old Oracle PDF Importer
>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/oracle-pdf-import-extension-openoffice-3x
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Registered users see an additional notice on unmaintained extensions
>>>> that
>>>> allows them to contact the original author and apply for a co-maintainer
>>>> role. Co-maintainers can edit the extension description and create
>>>> releases.
>>>>
>>>> Registration emails and password related communications are now
>>>> delivered
>>>> in the language chosen by the user. It worth to add that we are more
>>>> than
>>>> happy to provide .po files to whoever is willing to help with
>>>> translations.
>>>> If need will arise we'll consider the possibility to upload localization
>>>> files to the Apache Pootle server so that existing translation teams can
>>>> help and the site can be translated into more than the current three
>>>> languages (English, French, German).
>>>>
>>>> Recovering passwords has been simplified to cover cases where users had
>>>> difficulties in resetting their passwords: users receive an email in
>>>> their
>>>> language with a simple link to reset their password with no further
>>>> steps.
>>>>
>>>> Sites have been converted to use a more efficient anti-spam system that
>>>> will improve handling by extensions maintainers: the system will not
>>>> trigger anti-spam warnings and page unpublishing when the author
>>>> modifies
>>>> a
>>>> popular extension.
>>>>
>>>> *Changes users facing*.
>>>>
>>>> *The new extensions home<http://extensions.openoffice.org/>   *has a
>>>> strong
>>>> focus on the search box, a brand new logo, and an overall redesigned
>>>> look
>>>> and feel, where all menu items have icons for better readability.
>>>>
>>>> *The new templates home*<http://templates.openoffice.org/>   is
>>>> similar to
>>>> the Apache OpenOffice Extensions site, with a similar redesigned look
>>>> an

Re: Extension website: older URL give wrong CSS

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi all,

I'm not working for SourceForge anymore, as such I might not be able to
address that myself, but I'll give it a try and let you know.

Roberto

2016-02-08 10:14 GMT+01:00 FR web forum :

> Hmm, I come back to this problem.
> Some pictures seems to be missed with the older URL.
> http://www.cjoint.com/doc/16_02/FBijnjGOL5A_-error.png
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "FR web forum" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org, "dennis hamilton" 
> Envoyé: Lundi 8 Février 2016 09:14:22
> Objet: Re: Extension website: older URL give wrong CSS
>
> Curious, seems to be fixed by unknow people.
> Sorry for the noise.
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Dimanche 7 Février 2016 22:26:33
> Objet: RE: Extension website: older URL give wrong CSS
>
> FR web forum,
>
> I see the same (English) page when going to either of
>
>  
>
> and
>
>  .
>
> I am using Internet Explorer 11 from Windows 10 Pro.
>
> Was this a temporary problem?
>
> What details are different for you?  Is it about internationalization?
>
>  - Dennis
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 06:24
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Extension website: older URL give wrong CSS
> >
> > By example see:
> > http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/
> > This kind of URL is still indexed by search engines.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

thanks Marcus.
I'd like to upload it myself, so that I can add some pics too.
Can you provide me with an account?

Roberto

2016-01-27 15:51 GMT+01:00 Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:

> Thanks for the text. Looks good and should be definitely go to our blog.
> So, do you want to blog this on your own (then you need access) or should I
> do this for you (then with my name as author)?
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 01/26/2016 06:56 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> Draft blog post, see below. I couldn't upload a draft version since I do
>> not have (yet) access to the blog.
>>
>> Apache OpenOffice Extensions and Templates New Sites
>>
>> Since 2012 SourceForge has been distributing Apache OpenOffice downloads
>> and actively maintaining both Apache OpenOffice Extensions
>> <https://extensions.openoffice.org>  and Templates
>> <https://templates.openoffice.org>  sites. I wrote a couple of short blog
>> <https://sourceforge.net/blog/new-apache-openoffice-sites/>posts
>> <
>> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>> >
>> about the changes that affect end- users.
>>
>> Extensions that have not been updated in a while report the following
>> message: "Warning message This extension was not updated recently. It
>> might
>> not work with latest versions of OpenOffice." See for example how looks
>> like the old Oracle PDF Importer
>> <
>> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/oracle-pdf-import-extension-openoffice-3x
>> >.
>>
>>
>> Registered users see an additional notice on unmaintained extensions that
>> allows them to contact the original author and apply for a co-maintainer
>> role. Co-maintainers can edit the extension description and create
>> releases.
>>
>> Registration emails and password related communications are now delivered
>> in the language chosen by the user. It worth to add that we are more than
>> happy to provide .po files to whoever is willing to help with
>> translations.
>> If need will arise we'll consider the possibility to upload localization
>> files to the Apache Pootle server so that existing translation teams can
>> help and the site can be translated into more than the current three
>> languages (English, French, German).
>>
>> Recovering passwords has been simplified to cover cases where users had
>> difficulties in resetting their passwords: users receive an email in their
>> language with a simple link to reset their password with no further steps.
>>
>> Sites have been converted to use a more efficient anti-spam system that
>> will improve handling by extensions maintainers: the system will not
>> trigger anti-spam warnings and page unpublishing when the author modifies
>> a
>> popular extension.
>>
>> *Changes users facing*.
>>
>> *The new extensions home<http://extensions.openoffice.org/>  *has a
>> strong
>> focus on the search box, a brand new logo, and an overall redesigned look
>> and feel, where all menu items have icons for better readability.
>>
>> *The new templates home*<http://templates.openoffice.org/>  is similar to
>> the Apache OpenOffice Extensions site, with a similar redesigned look and
>> feel and different colors to highlight which application a given template
>> can be applied to.
>>
>> *The new administrative interface* includes a navigation bar at the top
>> for
>> Extensions’ authors that links to the most common actions. We also
>> improved
>> the GUI, making it more intuitive for uploading extensions.
>>
>> *Search* has been completely redesigned too. It’s worth mentioning that
>> there are other changes sprinkled here and there, including an alert for
>> outdated extensions that provides an easy way to contact the original
>> author.
>>
>> 2016-01-13 23:28 GMT+01:00 Marcus<marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:
>>
>> Am 01/12/2016 09:17 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>>>
>>> Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
>>>> OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
>>>> feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.
>>>>
>>>> As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
>>>> prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial to
>>>> understand for which application a given template has been designed for
>>>> -
>>>> and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and uploading
>>>> is
>>>> now trivial.
>>>>
>>>> In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu items
>>>> and
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> thanks a lot for this great news and improvement. If there is still room
>>> in your daily schedule then a new post in our blog would be great, too.
>>> ;-)
>>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Draft blog post, see below. I couldn't upload a draft version since I do
not have (yet) access to the blog.

Apache OpenOffice Extensions and Templates New Sites

Since 2012 SourceForge has been distributing Apache OpenOffice downloads
and actively maintaining both Apache OpenOffice Extensions
<https://extensions.openoffice.org> and Templates
<https://templates.openoffice.org> sites. I wrote a couple of short blog
<https://sourceforge.net/blog/new-apache-openoffice-sites/>posts
<http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/>
about the changes that affect end- users.

Extensions that have not been updated in a while report the following
message: "Warning message This extension was not updated recently. It might
not work with latest versions of OpenOffice." See for example how looks
like the old Oracle PDF Importer
<http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/oracle-pdf-import-extension-openoffice-3x>.


Registered users see an additional notice on unmaintained extensions that
allows them to contact the original author and apply for a co-maintainer
role. Co-maintainers can edit the extension description and create releases.

Registration emails and password related communications are now delivered
in the language chosen by the user. It worth to add that we are more than
happy to provide .po files to whoever is willing to help with translations.
If need will arise we'll consider the possibility to upload localization
files to the Apache Pootle server so that existing translation teams can
help and the site can be translated into more than the current three
languages (English, French, German).

Recovering passwords has been simplified to cover cases where users had
difficulties in resetting their passwords: users receive an email in their
language with a simple link to reset their password with no further steps.

Sites have been converted to use a more efficient anti-spam system that
will improve handling by extensions maintainers: the system will not
trigger anti-spam warnings and page unpublishing when the author modifies a
popular extension.

*Changes users facing*.

*The new extensions home <http://extensions.openoffice.org/> *has a strong
focus on the search box, a brand new logo, and an overall redesigned look
and feel, where all menu items have icons for better readability.

*The new templates home* <http://templates.openoffice.org/> is similar to
the Apache OpenOffice Extensions site, with a similar redesigned look and
feel and different colors to highlight which application a given template
can be applied to.

*The new administrative interface* includes a navigation bar at the top for
Extensions’ authors that links to the most common actions. We also improved
the GUI, making it more intuitive for uploading extensions.

*Search* has been completely redesigned too. It’s worth mentioning that
there are other changes sprinkled here and there, including an alert for
outdated extensions that provides an easy way to contact the original
author.

2016-01-13 23:28 GMT+01:00 Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:

> Am 01/12/2016 09:17 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
>> OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
>> feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.
>>
>> As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
>> prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial to
>> understand for which application a given template has been designed for -
>> and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and uploading
>> is
>> now trivial.
>>
>> In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu items
>> and
>> more.
>>
>> I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
>>
>> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>>
>
> thanks a lot for this great news and improvement. If there is still room
> in your daily schedule then a new post in our blog would be great, too. ;-)
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: John McCreesh

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-18 20:17 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :

> Thanks, Simon, though the news is bleak.
>
> I'll post to the Facebook page, at the least. I knew John for many years
> and kept in touch with him after OOo fell apart. This is brutal news, and
> far more for those who loved him closely. I don't think I exaggerate in
> saying that without his efforts, his intelligence, so much of what we did
> would have never been.
>

We all owe him a lot, and his PRs have been of great help in educating a
number of OOo communities around the world, included but not limited to the
Italian one. Too bad.

Roberto




>
> With affection,
> louis
>
>
> > On 18 Jan 16, at 09:58, Simon Phipps  wrote:
> >
> > Those of us who were also part of the former OpenOffice.org project will
> be
> > shocked to hear of the sudden and untimely death of John McCreesh, who
> used
> > to be the (volunteer) marketing lead for the project. I have written more
> > in [a public post on Facebook][1] which also includes a newspaper report
> of
> > his death. Those with access to his Facebook wall will see a long list of
> > tributes.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > [1]: https://www.facebook.com/simon.phipps/posts/10153969052221654
>
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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Roberto Galoppini]

Just confirming we had an issue and it was resolved.

Roberto

2016-01-15 18:00 GMT+01:00 Marcus :

> I cannot see any download problems. Please tray again maybe it was a
> temporary problem.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 01/15/2016 03:19 PM, schrieb Jen Reese:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am attempting to download open office for mac. These are the details.
>>
>> Problem description Exchange this text to describe the problem
>>
>> (What does not work? What do you expect?)
>> Browser variables   Values
>> [...]
>>
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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Roberto Galoppini]

Indeed. By the time I've pinged our SiteOps they had already fixed that.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Roberto


2016-01-15 18:33 GMT+01:00 Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:

> Am 01/15/2016 06:30 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> Just confirming we had an issue and it was resolved.
>>
>
> that explains the 3 reports within 1.5 hours. ;-)
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
> 2016-01-15 18:00 GMT+01:00 Marcus<marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:
>>
>> I cannot see any download problems. Please tray again maybe it was a
>>> temporary problem.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 01/15/2016 03:19 PM, schrieb Jen Reese:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am attempting to download open office for mac. These are the details.
>>>>
>>>> Problem description Exchange this text to describe the problem
>>>>
>>>> (What does not work? What do you expect?)
>>>> Browser variables   Values
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Let me start by saying that by now at registration time language
preferences are kept into account. We made this change because we got a
number of complaints, especially from French folks.

For improving the localization feel free to pass me privately some strings,
or if you wish to contribute more heavily we could pass the .po file onto
you.

Let me know what works best for you.

Thanks,

Roberto

2016-01-14 15:45 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr>:

> Bravo
> I see that translation in french is not complete.
> Some sentences are in english.
> How can we contribute to translate it?
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Roberto Galoppini" <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com>
> À: "dev" <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> Envoyé: Mardi 12 Janvier 2016 21:17:19
> Objet: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites
>
> Hi all,
>
> Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
> OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
> feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.
>
> As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
> prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial to
> understand for which application a given template has been designed for -
> and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and uploading is
> now trivial.
>
> In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu items and
> more.
>
> I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
>
> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>
> Roberto
>
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>

Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hey Keith,

Thanks for heads up. Unfortunately I couldn't find any error log related,
but a client that has not been served as per server config (robots.txt).
I've downloaded SeaMonkey 2.39 but it works just fine for me. Wonder if it
could have been my hosting provider cache to fail, though.

Roberto

2016-01-13 1:52 GMT+01:00 Keith N. McKenna <keith.mcke...@comcast.net>:

> Jürgen Lange wrote:
> > It works fine with Firefox 43.0.4.
> >
> > Jürgen
> >
> >
> What can I say it does not work with SeaMonkey 2.39. However I got it to
> work with IE so no big deal. Was really just a heads-up for Roberto that
> there was a potential problem.
>
> Keith
>
> > Am 12.01.2016 um 22:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
> >> Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
> >>> OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
> >>> feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.
> >>>
> >>> As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
> >>> prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial
> to
> >>> understand for which application a given template has been designed
> >>> for -
> >>> and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and
> >>> uploading is
> >>> now trivial.
> >>>
> >>> In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu
> >>> items and
> >>> more.
> >>>
> >>> I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
> >>>
> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Roberto
> >>>
> >> Roberto;
> >>
> >> When I try to access your blog via the link in your post I receive the
> >> following error message:
> >>
> >> 403 - Forbidden Error
> >> You are not allowed to access this address.
> >> If the error persists, please contact the website webmaster.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Keith
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
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> >
>
>
>

Re: Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-13 23:28 GMT+01:00 Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>:

> Am 01/12/2016 09:17 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
>> OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
>> feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.
>>
>> As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
>> prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial to
>> understand for which application a given template has been designed for -
>> and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and uploading
>> is
>> now trivial.
>>
>> In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu items
>> and
>> more.
>>
>> I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
>>
>> http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/
>>
>
> thanks a lot for this great news and improvement. If there is still room
> in your daily schedule then a new post in our blog would be great, too. ;-)
>

Sure Marcus, I've already crafted a shorter (and less personal) version for
SourceForge blog, will do the same for our own blog too.

Roberto


>
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Apache OpenOffice Templates and Extensions new sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi all,

Over the last few months we have been busy redesigning the Apache
OpenOffice Templates and Extensions experience, basically incorporating
feedback and simplifying the existing procedures.

As a result both sites are now easy to use both for end-users - see how
prominent is the search or how using different colors we made trivial to
understand for which application a given template has been designed for -
and admins - the most common actions are all in a top bar, and uploading is
now trivial.

In the process we redesigned the look and feel, iconized all menu items and
more.

I wrote a quick blog post at my blog, see
http://robertogaloppini.net/2016/01/12/about-contributing-to-apache-openoffice/

Roberto

Re: Resetting feedback the extension directory?

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-09 20:40 GMT+01:00 Jörg Schmidt :

> Hello,
>
> Is it possible reset the feedback on 4.x compatibility the extension
> directory?
>

Sure, done.

Roberto


>
> What is the problem?
> For Basic Addon Builder voted on compatibility, as no compatible version
> was published, so the vote is rather negative [1].
> Now a compatible version is released, so the outcome of the vote is
> irritating.
>
> Can I start the vote again? If yes, how?
>
>
> [1]
> see:
>
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-extensions-packager
> --> "User feedback: Compatible with OpenOffice 4.x?"
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
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Re: BasicAddonBuilder 0.5.2 released

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-09 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jörg Schmidt :

> Hello,
>
> After over a year testing, i have today released Basic Addon Builder
> 0.5.2, see:
>
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-extensions-packager#releases
>
> This version is compatible with AOO 4.0 and later versions.
>


Good job Jörg! Long live to Paolo's extension!

Roberto


>
>
> (A current version for LibreOffice can be downloaded from the wiki, see:
>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_0.5.2
> )
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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Re: Damage to an item while editing the Extension directory

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-09 17:39 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> Hello, Jörg,
>
> Clarification please:
>
> At 2015-01-09T15:50Z, over the Internet from Seattle, Washington,
>
>  1. <
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-extensions-packager
> >
> is accessible and it has your change.
>

It has been published just few minutes ago.

Roberto



>
>  2. <
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_and_AOO_4.x
> >
> is accessible and the explanation about BasicAddonBuilder 0.5.1 is present.
>
>  3. <
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0#addons.xcu_changes
> >
> works correctly.
>
>  4. 
> works, although Internet Explorer 11 treats it as a .zip, not an .oxt
> (this may be a MIME-type problem at calc-info.de).  It is easy to correct
> the extension on Save As in the browser download initiation dialog.
>
>  5. 
> also works, with the same problem about .zip.
>
>  6. This query,
> <
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search?query=Extension+Builder_by=field_project_stats_year_order=DESC&=Search
> >
>
> finds (1) in its 4 results.
>
> None of these seem to require SourceForge assistance.
>
>
> Perhaps there was a temporary unavailability of one of the above pages?
> (What error code did you receive?)
>
>  - Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 05:47
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Damage to an item while editing the Extension directory
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Sorry, but I have damaged an entry in the extension directory.
> >
> > I have below:
> > http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-
> > extensions-packager
> >
> > following text added:
> >
> > "Important information (date: Jan 2016):
> > Notes on the current development of Basic Addon Builder, see the wiki:
> > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_a
> > nd_AOO_4.x"
> >
> >
> > But now that page is no longer accessible.
> >
> > I sent an email to aooad...@users.sourceforge.net (with the link
> > http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-
> > extensions-packager), but is that enough of the side re-enable?
> >
> > Or what should I do so that the page is working again?
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Jörg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Damage to an item while editing the Extension directory

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-01-09 14:47 GMT+01:00 Jörg Schmidt :

> Hello,
>
> Sorry, but I have damaged an entry in the extension directory.
>
> I have below:
>
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-extensions-packager
>
> following text added:
>
> "Important information (date: Jan 2016):
> Notes on the current development of Basic Addon Builder, see the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_Packager#BasicAddonBuilder_and_AOO_4.x
> "
>
>
> But now that page is no longer accessible.
>

Just want to add that we had to republish it because it didn't pass
anti-spam logic. For future updates you won't have similar problems because
we upgraded the anti-spam filters.

Roberto


> I sent an email to aooad...@users.sourceforge.net (with the link
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/basicaddonbuilder-extensions-packager),
> but is that enough of the side re-enable?
>
> Or what should I do so that the page is working again?
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks for your patience, what follows it's the result of a joint meeting
with our AdOps team and  our Managing Director.

Ad Ops has paused the Google Ad Exchange ad serving on SourceForge.net's
Apache Open Office project pages. This will continue while the team
completes our review of the Ad Exchange blocking rules and controls with
the Google team.

Having said that, I wish to share with you all some background information
about the whole process to ban ads and advertisers that are not compliant
with our advertising policies.

Ad Exchange blocking rules are our first tool of control to block
advertising that is non-compliant with company policy. They are quite
effective, though not perfect solutions. Unfortunately when malicious
advertisers find a way to fool the system, they are eventually able to
inject ads that are confusing. Under the Clean Software Alliance umbrella
we're collaborating with them to prevent similar ads to get into the
marketplace, hopefully that would help them to refine their policies and
tools over time.

As a second layer of control, our ad operations department regularly
reviews the advertising from the Ad Exchange and manually removes
advertising and advertisers that bypass the technology controls. They are
at the domain and advertiser-level, and are permanent.

We also have had some success with the community feedback element to our ad
quality process that includes a community feedback form. This has been
helpful for us to improve the timeliness of removing ad violations, but it
needs end-users' input.

With regard to our direct sales and partner advertisers, they remain active
and in full compliance with SourceForge ad quality specifications and
policies, and we never had similar issues with them.

Stay tuned, I will circle back with you next week with more information on
progress with our review of policy and ad quality controls.

Thanks,

Roberto





2016-01-08 8:54 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>:

> The choice to go with sourceforge was not about stats. OpenOffice binaries
> are quite substantial. There was concern about if all the Apache mirrors
> could handle the load.
>
> Patience! Let's see what Roberto has to say. SourceForge has been generous.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Jan Høydahl <jan@cominvent.com> wrote:
> >
> > Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load.
> Are we afraid of losing DL stats, is that why we stick with SF?
> >
> > --
> > Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> > Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> >
> >> 8. jan. 2016 kl. 04.46 skrev Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>:
> >>
> >> Hi Roberto,
> >>
> >> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any
> ad that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
> >>
> >> I understand there are technical challenges. If that is difficult is it
> possible to simply block all ads?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been
> blocked.
> >>>
> >>> Roberto
> >>>
> >>> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr>:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ=1=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg=ca-pub-4006818487458500=27=263=22=2=0=144=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.

Roberto

2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum :

>
> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
>
>
> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ=1=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg=ca-pub-4006818487458500=27=263=22=2=0=144=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks, I'll get it removed first thing this morning if it has not been
removed already.

Roberto

Il giovedì 10 dicembre 2015, FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr> ha scritto:

> Sorry I miss it
>
> http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L=CHFRijTFpVuPUFM_ObYmRiZAKt_ufyAfXhoP4uALUytZ3EAEgjIHaF2D7gYCAsAqgAansitkDyAEB4AIAqAMByAObBKoEwQJP0OUDBsKK4Zd_3QwnmwjkD6NdgwmYodmRTD0Ai5eET9MgreTyW7LT8Mj6b_kUVMtCu_H1Rh2NzorWP33N-O981jE9AVGN71oF5v0bEEo-hyim7YO7GqlzzQH43A6JKp5U1ul72ghKOTYDzDGuYRzxtC55ppqdLy2rviXgys1xz-nEXGysUHzZq1T1zsDoGNt4RRAhg-Y2R1wzuttUplaCGriB8shCYugQ9nrOxszGA8vFlS4eZbKk7RF8IWbkVvfjFOV3w52zQta51Cp8ZqejLFx6u94Cbhxaw1DruwqigZfNUTmQwHV-nhKxM5-h2WU6wYt38k4aSW9gv1rfnZrRgWzUuhu9RcN6sqICu7Iy7FmGPOpQkdONiykv1nHjco6F6YY284LA-P4T0SfRUWO-QvE00u3Y9G1-hjkrJG8vmRXgBAGIBgGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ=1=5GhH8Rdu1BO77BxV8bSSq5kN=AOD64_0Nqs9KkWQKhlyBmFEGdPF8XM8fmQ=ca-pub-4006818487458500=11=197=210=2=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Roberto Galoppini" <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> À: "dev" <dev@openoffice.apache.org <javascript:;>>, "Cyril Beaussier" <
> ooofo...@free.fr <javascript:;>>
> Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 10:35:16
> Objet: Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads
>
> Thanks for heads up, could you kindly pass me the exact link? Send me also
> a direct message if you prefer.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2015-11-10 10:23 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr <javascript:;>>:
>
> > Hello list,
> >
> > New ad to have a fake AOO:
> > http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
> > Jump to a para-site:
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> >
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Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-11-22 18:29 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org>:

> Roberto, thanks for this.  Comments in-line
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Roberto Galoppini [mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 14:23
> > To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> >
> > 2015-11-21 19:28 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > [not cross-posting]
> > >
> > > SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror
> > capacity
> > > that AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and
> > these
> > > awful situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.
> > As
> > > far as our users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is
> > unreliable
> > > and has them need to be so cautious.
> > >
> > > Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their
> > > costs.  That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the
> > > advertising.  We must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion
> > with
> > > regard to ad placement and prominence.
> > >
> >
> > With my SourceForge hat on, there are two ways we can jointly work on:
> >
> > 1. Report misleading ads here, following our instructions, see
> > https://goo.gl/LQFHmE
>
> [orcmid]
>
> This puts us in the position of playing wack-a-moley and having to watch
> the download-started page by requesting downloads just to see what
> happens.  That we have to do that, and have no clue what another ad
> rotation will present, is not practicable.
>

That is exactly why I've added #2: we need Advertising Network Providers
help. We need companies like Google to provide us with a better mouse trap,
until then the only option is the actual post mortem approach.


>
> The main way these come to our attention is when users stumbles into
> them.  By then, we may not be able to see the offender and users have been
> abused by the arrangement.
>
> We must also presume that a very large proportion of the AOO user
> community consists of causual, non-expert computer users.  I suspect that
> is an unusual demographic for SourceForge.  I am doubtful that the
> procedure at <
> http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Report%20a%20problem%20with%20Ad%20content/>
> is particularly comprehensible to the folks that are likely misled by one
> of those ads.  In particular, most of the complaints we receive are in the
> belief that it is AOO that they are dealing with.
>
> We need SourceForge's assistance in finding a way to serve that community
> well.
>

We actively take care of all complaints and issues raised here in a timely
manner, and usually computer literate friends living in the geographies
where issues are raised do help me to collect such information. For
everything else, see #2.



>
> > 2. Supporting the Clean Software Alliance guidelines (misleading ads)
> > https://goo.gl/69XhqW
> [orcmid]
> I think the issue at hand is under Misleading ads, item 1.5, about calls
> to action not being clearly for the ad and not what the page is about -- an
> AOO download having been requested.  (I am not quoting because of the
> restrictions on the CSA document.)
>
> I believe this could be cured if (1) the "your download will begin... "
> material was more prominent and made the focal feature of the page


This is a suggestion you can definitely bring on the table, the SourceForge
Community Panel seems to be the most appropriate place for raising that.




> and that (2) the ads were clearly separated by some sort of "you might
> also be interested in these ..." prominently labelled and separated by a
> clear and emphatic boundary from the non-advertising content of the page.
>

As above.


> >
> > For #1 I do actively monitor our mailing-list and I make sure
> > SourceForge
> > removes promptly misleading or unwanted ads.
> > #2 would actually help to push the whole advertising industry to agree
> > on
> > more strict guidelines.
> >
> > It would probably help to contribute feedback to those guidelines, since
> > those are in a commentary period till the end of the year.
> >
> > Having been involved in the CSA works I'd be happy to draft a comment if
> > we
> > intend to do so.
> [orcmid]
> I don't see a problem with those guidelines.  I think the issue of
> misunderstood ads can be handled on the page where the ads are accepted.
> One rule of thumb for the page might be that the non-advertising content
> and te

Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-11-21 19:28 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> [not cross-posting]
>
> SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror capacity
> that AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and these
> awful situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.  As
> far as our users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is unreliable
> and has them need to be so cautious.
>
> Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their
> costs.  That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the
> advertising.  We must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion with
> regard to ad placement and prominence.
>

With my SourceForge hat on, there are two ways we can jointly work on:

1. Report misleading ads here, following our instructions, see
https://goo.gl/LQFHmE
2. Supporting the Clean Software Alliance guidelines (misleading ads)
https://goo.gl/69XhqW

For #1 I do actively monitor our mailing-list and I make sure SourceForge
removes promptly misleading or unwanted ads.
#2 would actually help to push the whole advertising industry to agree on
more strict guidelines.

It would probably help to contribute feedback to those guidelines, since
those are in a commentary period till the end of the year.

Having been involved in the CSA works I'd be happy to draft a comment if we
intend to do so.

Roberto



>
> Andrea has pointed out separately that the alternative mirror system may
> not be workable if even available for the demands that AOO downloads
> represent.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 07:09
> > To: Apache OpenOffice Users 
> > Cc: Apache OpenOffice Developer 
> > Subject: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> [ ... ]
> >
> > Is it not time to _*SERIOUSLY*_ review the distribution of our binaries
> > via SourceForge?
> >
> > Rory O'Farrell and others dutifully expend their valuable time advising
> > "unaware" users NOT to click on download links and buttons after they
> > are redirected to the SourceForge mirror page. While commendable, this
> > is a "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" approach.
> >
> > No matter what efforts SourceForge make to "weed out" fraudulent and
> > malware links, our mailing lists and forums continue to receive a steady
> > stream of download problem messages from "unaware" users.
> >
> > There is no way to prove this discourages individuals and organizations
> > from using AOO software, but continuously published reports of AOO
> > distributing "unwanted" and/or "malware" programs reflects badly on us
> > and by association the ASF.
> >
> > I have no personal "gripe" against SourceForge and Roberto Galoppini's
> > support in this area is invaluable. However, I do not understand, or
> > find any reasonable explanation, why our download page does not redirect
> > to the ASF's own mirror network:
> > https://www.apache.org/mirrors/
> > where our binaries are already being served by 200+ mirrors around the
> > world.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: OpenRheinRuhr 2015

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-11-17 10:13 GMT+01:00 RA Stehmann :

> Hello,
>
> we have a booth at the OpenRheinRuhr 2015 in Oberhausen in Germany. Next
> to our booth were our friends promoting the ProOO-Box.
>
> You find my report (with pictures) in german language under:
>
> http://blogs.fsfe.org/stehmann/?p=1602


Cool! How did it go the event?

Roberto


>
>
> The next booth will be at T-DOSE
>
> http://www.t-dose.org/
>
> on 28th and 29zh of November 2015 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
>
> And we hope for a  great common Apache stand at FOSDEM in Brussels.
>
> Kind regards
> Michael
>
>

Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks for heads up, could you kindly pass me the exact link? Send me also
a direct message if you prefer.

Roberto

2015-11-10 10:23 GMT+01:00 FR web forum :

> Hello list,
>
> New ad to have a fake AOO:
> http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
> Jump to a para-site:
> h**p:/opf.goltus.com
>
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Re: 0 Downloads on stats

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-11-09 3:06 GMT+01:00 JZA :

> Giving some information to a student doing a paper on Open source adoption,
> I notice that the stats failed recording the downloads from our provider.
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html


This is related to a storage fault we had. Failover environment was in play
and downloads should have been served, but we don't have any logs of that.

Roberto



>
>
> On 7/17/2015 we had a 0 download that day. Wonder if this was a bug, and
> wonder if we could add a note and do a revision of what could have
> happened.
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>

Re: Thank you!

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-10-29 23:28 GMT+01:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> RA Stehmann wrote:
>
>> Very special thanks go to Andrea.
>>
>
> Thanks! But truth is, thanks must go me as much as to everybody else.
> Dozens, maybe even hundreds, of people spent days (and, more often, nights)
> working to make this release happen. A number of them are credited at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2 but there
> are many, many more who helped and it couldn't be otherwise: a release is a
> community effort, not the work of a restricted group pf people.
>

Thank you to ALL of them, indeed. And a big thank you to you Andrea, either
as a PMC or Release Manager you always rock!

Roberto



>
> Regards,
>
>   Andrea.
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Roberto Galoppini]

Absolutely.
+1

2015-10-29 15:01 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Lange :

> +1 to this idea
>
> Jürgen Lange
>
>
> Am 27.10.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
>> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>>
>> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
>> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
>> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
>> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>>
>> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
>> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
>> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
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Re: Download problem

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi Thelma,

Where are you based? I'm not aware of any issue, but it could be a problem
with the mirror serving your downloads..

Let me know, thanks.

Roberto

2015-10-12 19:51 GMT+02:00 Thelma Osburg :

> I have used open office for years and love it.  I have been attempting to
> download to a new  Windows 8.1 computer and after navigating the unsafe
> click bait of Sourceforge not clicking anything, the download starts as
> expected.  Then it always stops at around 20 to 50 Mb and just sits there.
> What do I do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail

Re: OpenOffice Release Cycle?

[Roberto Galoppini]

Apache OpenOffice has never had a 6 months release cycle, but this time
took definitely much longer.
The good news is that is about to be shipped!


2015-09-22 17:02 GMT+02:00 Eric Belmont :

> Whatever happened to the OpenOffice planned release cycle of approximately
> 6 months?  Do you guys believe that OpenOffice 4.1.1 is just about perfect?
>
> Eric
>

Re: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository

[Roberto Galoppini]

Cool idea Carl!
Big +1

2015-09-06 15:04 GMT+02:00 Carl Marcum :

> Dennis,
>
> Thanks for the information
> If there are no -1's I'll report back after I look into all the
> requirements.
>
> Thanks,
> Carl
>
>
> On 09/05/2015 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the information, Carl.
>>
>> The labeling and naming of the jar files may need to be considered, as
>> well as inclusion of other information in the jars themselves.  It may be
>> appropriate to include meta-inf/LICENSE and meta-inf/NOTICE files if the
>> jars are distributed separately from AOO binaries.  There should be some
>> information on how to find the corresponding source releases as well.
>>
>> For signing and hashes, how would a recipient of these files via Maven
>> know where to find those bits (i.e., KEYS and any hashes or their
>> equivalents with Maven)?
>>
>> This looks like an opportunity to be Release Manager for these simple
>> detached distributions.
>>
>>   - Dennis
>>
>> SOME RELATED BACKGROUND
>>
>> There has been considerable discussion about binary distributions on some
>> of the general lists lately.  Ways of using Maven came up. I don't think
>> that the proposed UNO Jars case is a problem so long as the material is
>> synchronized to an official distribution from AOO.
>>
>> There is a draft policy on the subject.  It now appears to be at the desk
>> of VP Legal for further disposition.  Depending on how these jars already
>> accompany Apache OpenOffice releases and distributions, there may be no
>> problem other than attention to the details I mentioned.  Here is the
>> latest draft of the proposed update/clarification of the current release
>> policy:
>> .
>>
>> The current policy is here:
>> < http://apache.org/dev/release>.
>>
>> You can follow the discussion on legal-discuss @ apache.org.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org]
>> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 19:51
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository
>>
>> On 09/04/2015 08:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> How are these files distributed now, Carl?
>>>
>> They are included in the distribution under openoffice4/program/classes
>>
>> If approved, I still need to look into whether we provide the files or
>> point to the SVN repo or something else.
>>
>> We may need to PGP sign the files.  I did this with the Netbeans plugin
>> for neatbeans.org.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 17:18
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I propose submitting the latest UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository
>>> for inclusion.
>>>
>>> The files are ridl.jar, juh.jar, unoil.jar, and jurt.jar.
>>>
>>> This will allow projects using maven, gradle, etc. build systems to use
>>> the AOO UNO java jars.
>>>
>>> Afterward I will update the wiki with the new information.
>>>
>>> The last version available in the Maven repository is 3.2.1.
>>>
>>> If there are no objections to the above proposal within 72-hours then I
>>> will invoke Lazy Consensus and proceed to implement the above proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Carl
>>>
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-05 12:49 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.
>>
>
> Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where
> we politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of time
> given the very close deadlines.
>
> Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to
> bring the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book, but
> still I'd like that we get done what we can get done.
>
> Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
> 1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
> 2) Updates for the leaflet
> 3) Financial support for the leaflet
> the one that we can get done for sure is 2.
>
> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is approved
> it will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an intercontinental flight
> (which is a pity since we started discussing the Plugfest attendance three
> months ago, we should really learn from this).
>

Agreed, and I'm really sorry I couldn't make it. In future we might want to
have a small team of people who knows how ODF Plugfests work and are
willing to attend, give a speech and run tests. I believe we need all these
three pieces to make our participation meaningful.


>
> For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135
> EUR = ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we can't
> get anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September afternoon
> European time).
>

Considered the US long week-end 'issue' and the time frame, plus Dennis'
concerns it seems clear we're late for this. Also if I understand correctly
what that means is that they won't print our logo featured on the inside
back cover, not that the leaflet won't be printed. Given the fact we're not
attending or participating, this seems the less important thing to me.



>
> So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data
> about OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently
> there and what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on Tuesday
> morning European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be happier).
>
> NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
> Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
> License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
> Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
> Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux,
> third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
> Support  Community(no changes) [2]
> Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
> Notes(empty)  (empty)
>
> [1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
> [2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.
>
> Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications"
> sections, which is what they need most?
>

Thanks for all this.

Roberto


>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :

> Hi all,
> Comments inline.
>
>
> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
> >
> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
> >
> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>

When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.



>
> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>
> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>

I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
concerns around office formats' interoperability.
I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.


>
>
> >
> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
> >
> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> > and there is also an infographic available at
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC.
> We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone who
> attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part needing
> more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>
> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
> have talent to enhance this, no?
>
> >
> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
> can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the
> Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is
> 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it
> would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could
> be used to support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate
> budget and, in case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English
> version or both versions.
>
> I think it would be money well spent.
>

Agree for the English version, as far as we can also enrich its content,
though.

Roberto



> Note. This ODF Plugfest brings together some rather important players form
> the UK, which is supposedly tending toward it. Independent of any
> particular implementation’s concerns or desires, it is, as Roberto G.
> pointed out, important that there be *real* solid interest in working with
> the government to satisfy their mandate.
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Andrea.
> >
> -best
> louis
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Re: FW: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-04 0:14 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> More information about the Plugfest for some who might not have noticed
> earlier.
>
> I have edited this lightly to reflect the current status in my case.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 15:31
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION]
> Dennis Hamilton ... )
>
> Roberto mentions the forthcoming ODF Plugfest to be held September 15-16
> at the Hague.
>
> WHAT THE ODF PLUGFEST IS
>
> Information about the Plugfest is on this Wiki page:
> <
> http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:201509_thehague:info
> >.
>
> To see how these have operated, it is useful to look at the programs of
> prior plugfests starting with the two in 2009 (although some of the
> historical material seems to consist of placeholders).
>
> I have not been to any of these except vicariously as a member of the
> OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) Technical Committee and as
> a participant in some of the planning.
>
> I see three matters that are useful to be present for.  Anyone could
> attend to participate as a contributor to Apache OpenOffice in those events:
>
>  1. The presentations on ODF adoption and also on developments of the ODF
> specifications
>  2. The subsequent presentations on implementation efforts, where 8 are
> listed so far, including Apache OpenOffice.
>  3. The Interop testing that occupies the remainder of the first day and
> all of the second day.  For this, it is desirable to show up with
> demonstration and test documents to interchanges and then inspect
> implementations.  This activity tends to be conducted in confidence,
> regrettably.  There is a sample scenario template to use in presenting
> tests.
>
> AOO PARTICIPATION
>
> For AOO, it would be good to have some simple presentation of status for
> (2) and to have some contributions (3) of tests or exemplary documents for
> which interoperability is a concern.
>
> Roberto has been on the calls for organization of the Plugtest and it is
> valuable that he is doing so.  His keeping us apprised of what AOO might do
> to contribute and to participate will be very helpful.
>
> I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the status
> of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO participant.
>
> The Plugfests are obviously more amenable to participation by ODF experts
> and implementers that are based in Europe and we have able members of the
> AOO community there.
>
> MY PERSONAL PARTICIPATION
>
> I have always wanted to go to a Plugfest and never managed to arrange it.
> I think we have many able spokespersons.
>
> I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event.  I am
> willing to go, although it would be valuable to at least have someone more
> technically involved around interoperability testing.  I don't think it is
> necessary to have someone be an official of some form, whether PMC member
> or a Chair
>
> [Note: I learned that, in addition to not having the means, I have a
> conflict. ]
>
>
> Here at dev@ we can work up a status report that anyone could deliver and
> also development of any contributions to the interoperability testing that
> would be useful for cross-implementation demonstration/confirmation in
> those sessions.
>
> I am happy to cooperate in any way I can in the development of such
> materials.  I trust Roberto will continue to participate on the calls
> (since they tend to be at 6am in my local time).
>

I will surely do if any will be set, but I guess for this ODF-Plugfest
we're done. If someone - not me, as per my message on another thread I
can't commit to this now - is willing to go, we better give heads up to the
organizers so that a talk of us can be added to the agenda.

Roberto



>
> [Note: That was in July.  This is September already and my ability to
> assist here is severely limited, although I will do what I can.]
>
>  - Dennis
>
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Re: Ian Lynch (ingotian) passed away

[Roberto Galoppini]

That's very sad, I e-met him about 10 years ago, we also tried to run some
business together when I was in the OOo business. I always found his
feedback and inputs valuable, he will be greatly missed and I wish all the
best to his family and relatives.


Roberto

2015-09-04 11:19 GMT+02:00 Marcus :

> I'm very sad to hear that Ian is no longer with us. Unfortunately, I had
> not the pleasure to meet him in person or to do some work with him.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 09/04/2015 12:01 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>> I was astonished to learn, a couple days ago, that Ian Lynch passed
>> away. Many of you were probably closer to him and already got the news
>> (Ian passed away three months ago) but I don't recall reading it on the
>> OpenOffice lists.
>>
>> I had never met Ian, but I knew him as a key contributor in the
>> Education sector. He was also an OpenOffice committer and PMC Member;
>> his Apache id was "ingotian".
>>
>> I hope that someone who knew him better will volunteer and write a
>> couple paragraphs for the OpenOffice blog in his memory.
>>
>> See http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ian-lynch/ for more details.
>>
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi Basil,

 Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
sponsor the English version.

Thanks,

2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins <ba...@openforumeurope.org>:

> Hi Roberto,
>
> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>
> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
> or is there a more recent one?
>
> Basil
>
> Basil
>
> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Comments inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>> >
>>> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>> >
>>> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>
>>
>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
>>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
>>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
>>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>>
>>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
>>> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
>>> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
>>> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
>>> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
>>> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>>>
>>
>> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
>> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
>> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
>>> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
>>> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
>>> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
>>> >
>>> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
>>> > and there is also an infographic available at
>>> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
>>> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is
>>> CC. We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone
>>> who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part
>>> needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>>>
>>> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
>>> have talent to enhance this, no?
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
>>> can support printing the English version (addressed to UK gover

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

Basil,

I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
manage this situation, though.

Roberto

2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins <ba...@openforumeurope.org>:

> Roberto,
>
> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
> version?
>
> Basil
>
> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Basil,
>>
>>  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
>> to sponsor the English version.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins <ba...@openforumeurope.org>:
>>
>>> Hi Roberto,
>>>
>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>>
>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
>>> Office or is there a more recent one?
>>>
>>> Basil
>>>
>>> Basil
>>>
>>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Comments inline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held
>>>>> in The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>>>> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've
>>>>> never considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled
>>>>> to attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later
>>>>> clarified he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still
>>>>> discuss to allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>>>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>>>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>>>>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>>>>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>>>>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
>>>>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>>>>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is 
>>>>> about
>>>>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a 
>>>>> train
>>>>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the
>>>>> initiating one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit
>>>>> them a couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not
>>>>> developing ODF or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s
>>>>> continued interest in furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache
>>>>> projects’ ODF work, to some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying
>>>>> speech.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
>>>> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
>>>> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar
>>>> ask.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>&g

Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-04 19:39 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :

> Comments inline; Roberto, feel free…
>
>
> > On 04 Sep 15, at 13:10, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> >
> > It is not clear to me what is being discussed here.  Can we separate out
> the parts, please?
> >
> > 1. There is discussion of sending someone to participate in the ODF
> Plugfest to be held on 2015-09/15-16, 11 days from now.  That includes a
> request for travel funding.
>
> Yes. Honestly, tho this could be an important event, the rush and cost are
> such that unless someone is closer to the event—i.e., not on the wrong side
> of the Atlantic—the cost would seem prohibitive, especially if my presence
> would only be to relay status.
>
> >
> > 2. It is not clear to me exactly what that participation would be.
>
> Quite.
>
> >  Is it only to participate in status and not testing?
>
> If I were to go, that would in fact be the case: status not testing.
> However, there is also the point that I’ve been trying to make (and I think
> Roberto, too) about the optics—the appearance—of our presence or
> nonpresence.
>
> >  If it is status, it appears that any status presentation is likely part
> of an agenda item to be led by Gijs Hillenius of OSOR.
>
> Yes.
>
> > See <
> http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:201509_thehague:info>.
> The topic is "ODF in the market place."  That is an interesting topic if it
> remains the focus.  I'm not certain what we know about in that respect.  I
> definitely think it would be useful to have concrete information about that
> specific topic with respect to Apache OpenOffice.  If we figured it out, we
> could offer a slide or two without having to be there.  Would that suffice?
>
> Yes, but given the malleability of things, I’d guess that we could shape
> the topic to a degree. By concrete information, I am guessing you have in
> mind data we can cite indicating uptake or usage of AOO and thus of our
> implementation of ODF. To this point, Rob did point out that we could re-do
> our survey, which looked at preferred open source office suites. One could
> also conceivably add more questions illuminating AOO’s market currency.
> (Eg, percentage in any sector or other useful data points that suggest a
> picture of how and where AOO is being used. We did this a long while ago,
> at the Oasis ODF Adoption TC.)
> >
> > 3. I don't understand what English flyer from the OpenDocs Society is
> being spoken of.  I don't recall the ASF and certainly not the AOO Project
> being participants/sponsors of the OpenDocs Society.  Am I mistaken?  Is a
> draft available?
>
> You are not mistaken as far as I know regarding sponsorship. I think a
> draft is available and was sent by Basil, but….
> I think the money here, which we have some discretionary control over,
> independent of ASF—perhaps Andrea can explain it better—would go for
> printing. But: this, too is coming thick and fast. I mean the call for
> action on this matter.
>
> >
> > 4. Also on this thread, there is some question about payment.  If this
> is with regard to sponsoring this event, or being a sponsor in the
> production of a flyer, the timing is very short here and it seems to me
> that the window may have closed.
> >
> > Also, please note that today is the early-start beginning of a major
> 3-day Holiday weekend in the United States.  We must move deliberately but
> inclusively.
> >
> > Please clarify,
>
> Doubtless Roberto or Andrea can shed more light.  I had been aware of the
> event but had not planned on going before, as it interacted (and still
> does) with a prior personal engagement. But the event does strike me as
> potential important. But not so important as to cause the sky to fall,
> should we not make it.
>
> The status report Gijs would read out is good. But my point that being
> there and meeting the government developers and representatives, as well as
> the others involved, would send a strong signal to an admittedly small but
> probably significant group.
>
> But Roberto, who went last time, and Rob, who’s gone many times, can
> probably evaluate the scenario better than I. And we can also meet the
> principals elsewhere. Like at ACEU. Indeed, inviting them to the event and
> then holding much more informed and less rushed meetings there, would be
> good; but it would depend on them being there.
>

Actually I didn't go since the Orvieto Plugfest, that is almost 10 years
ago. Anyway, I believe we missed the opportunity to come up with something
valuable and interesting for the agenda, unless someone has a different
idea. If I would have gone I would have joined the technical sessions, but
again our understanding of how AOO is or is not compliant with the finally
approved ODF 1.2 is little at best.

To all this we should add the concerns and questions rightfully raised by
Dennis, here and on the other thread.

I would favor us to get a hold of where are we in respect of such a
standard, and plan to 

Re: AOO -> LO or MS O

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-03 17:48 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> There are users who will find the political drama compelling.  There is
> nothing to be done about that.  It does not make the product better and it
> distracts those who want to find ways to serve the broad community no
> matter what code base is being worked on.
>
> The asymmetrical situation around licenses is a factor, although what
> matters more to users is how that shows up in what they have in their hands
> to use.
>
> I found the greatest value in the linked article to be about the fairly
> balanced view of the three productivity-suite options, assuming that the
> reader is on a platform where all are available.
>
> It seems to me that the greatest concern to this community is the
> practical experience users are and will have and how this project can serve
> those concerns, especially with regard to assured usability of present
> documents and also the skills that have been developed in working with them.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> PS: On the interoperable-use challenge lurking in the article,
>
> The historical business was too long and not so meaningful to user needs
> compared to the -- important for us -- slow but steady divergence of the
> two OpenOffice.org descendants not so much in features and release cadence
> but core functions around format conversion/interchange.  That divergence
> is eroding common support for the ODF format and OOXML interchange (i.e.,
> functioning in a world where Microsoft Office documents cannot be
> ignored).  Incompatibilities at that level impede interoperable
> multi-product and cross-platform use where that is important.
>

I believe this is an issue that is underestimated at the moment. Few Public
Administrations - or more likely smart sales people pointing them in that
direction - are already taking advantage of that to justify their decisions
to go back to MSFT.

The whole OOo ecosystem is at risk because of the present situation, and I
believe we should make an effort to figure out if someone from our
community could join the upcoming ODF Plugfest and talk to the people. If
we can't fix the overall asymmetry of ODF-Support we are at big risk.

Roberto



>
> One of the greatest appeals of the OpenOffice.org family is the presence
> of consistent cross-platform support not available anywhere else (yet) in
> conjunction with the ODF format.  This appeals to civil authorities and
> institutions not just for economy under actual user conditions (which may
> or may not be achievable as promised in a particular situation).
>
> The free ODF/OOXML-supporting products matter for durable preservation and
> interchange of documents, especially those employed in public services,
> without *requiring* use of commercial software as institutions move to
> delivery of services and coordination with the public by digital means.
> Substitutability has been promoted to those organizations as a safeguard
> for adoption of these products.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 06:54
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: AOO -> LO or MS O
>
>
>
> On 09/03/2015 08:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> > "After LibreOffice came out, Oracle released one version of Oracle Open
> > Office before deciding that the project wasn’t worth the effort
> > <
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project/
> >.
> > It laid off the programmers and gave the code and trademarks to the
> Apache
> > Software Foundation, under Apache’s liberal open source license."
> >
> > That's one version of events. Another version of events is this.
> > http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
> >
> > "Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the
> > OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun made a $100
> > million "gift" to the community when it opened up the OpenOffice code.
> But
> > a "radical faction" made the lives of the OpenOffice developers "hell" by
> > refusing to contribute code under the Sun agreement. That eventually led
> to
> > the split, but furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop
> OpenOffice
> > development and lay off 100 employees."
> >
> > That's different from "deciding it was not worth the effort".
> >
> > Why the FUD on a dev list, anyway?
>
> It's not FUD. It's a link to an article.
>
> What would be awesome is if someone would write a counterpoint, which is
> non-confrontational, non-rageful, non-hateful, and non-reactionary, but
> just calmly presenting the reasons why someone might want to stay on
> OpenOffice.
>
> Refuting the article on this list, where we all already know the story,
> is a good start, but if you could turn it into an article that's less
> political, more practical (features, community, timelines, and so on),
> that would actually help our cause. The person asking the original
> question doesn't care about 

Re: 2015-08-25 When Speaking as the Chair

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-08-28 15:38 GMT+02:00 toki toki.kant...@gmail.com:

 On 26/08/15 00:56, Tony Stevenson wrote:

  I don't want to have my communications to now be taken with
  more authority than they would were I not the Chair.
 
  For anyone who knows how the ASF works they will know that this is not
  even possible. As you are no more senior, and therefore carry no more
  authority.

 The key phrase is anybody who knows how the ASF works.

 Most people don't, which is part of the reason why the template for
 incubation as an Apache Project included an excessive fascination with
 the Apache Way.

 What Dennis is doing, is making explicit _The Apache Way_, and hoping
 that journalists, etc will read that post, before they make their
 incorrect assumptions.


I couldn't have said that better myself.
I wish to thank Dennis for having made clear a basic but yet very important
thing from his first day.

Roberto



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Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

[Roberto Galoppini]

[x]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair
Il domenica 16 agosto 2015, jan i j...@apache.org ha scritto:

 This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair
 role.

 Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy
 consensus, but since
 some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there
 was multiple candidates.

 Voting rules are as follows:
 - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote
 - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected
 - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th
 - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th.

 Please vote
 [ ]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair
 [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair
 [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair
  (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion).

 Have fun voting.
 rgds
 jan i.

Re: Reporting broken download link

[Roberto Galoppini]

It works for me, may be it was a temporary problem.

Thanks,

Roberto

2015-08-04 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Stanwood j...@stanwoodlaw.com:


 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en
 -US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download



 Doesn't work :(



 

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Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

[Roberto Galoppini]

It seems to me that so far we have only one candidate.
Given the actual situation I'd prefer us to consider the option to speed
this up.

We have many things to do, ranging from the Digital signing to go out with
a new release, if we can close this we could probably focus on technical
matters only.

Does anyone have a problem to speed up this process?

Roberto

2015-08-03 2:07 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org:

 Let me correct my clumsy wording.  Here's another try.

I think a full week of discussion with all known candidates
can occur by having the discussion end on August 16, when
nominations close, or 7 days after the last accepted-/self-
nomination, whichever is later.

 Another way to say this is

Discussion will end 7 days after the last accepted-/self-
Nomination, and no earlier than August 16.

 Since August 16 is already on the books, that would not change, but we
 might find some slack post-August 16.


  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
 Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 15:27
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

 Good point concerning closing nominations with time remaining for
 discussion of the candidates prior to any [VOTE].  Perhaps that can just be
 7 days from the last accepted-/self-nomination or August 16, whichever is
 later.

 I think it is prudent to find some slack in the process, in case there is
 anything unexpected.

  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org]
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 15:38
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

 On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

  It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from
  now) including Discuss.

 they are only partly the same. new candidates ends august 16th, giving the
 PMC tine to discuss.

 
  I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed.

 If you do that candidates entering the last days have hardly time to be
 discussed.


 
  I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12
  days from August 16.
 
  ok with me, if there is PMC consensus.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ?

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi all,

I would like to nominate Dennis Hamilton (orcmid), for a number of reasons
we already discussed here, and more important to say because of his very
positive attitude towards collaboration within the PMC.

He proved to be an excellent mediator and advisor to the group, always
respectful of the Apache Way and willing to help.

Roberto





2015-07-30 12:39 GMT+02:00 jan i j...@apache.org:

 Hi.

 I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule
 looks like:
 Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th
 Discussion ends August 23th
 Voting ends September 4th
 Resolution send to board September 5th.
 New chair takes over immediately after the board meeting.

 snip
 Please use this mail thread to announce yourself as a candidate, or to
 nominate
 someone else (remark that person must state whether or not the nomination
 is
 accepted). There are no formal limits to being a nominee, apart from
 committer
 status.

 The rules for the vote, will depend on the number of candidates but is
 basically
 a majority vote, with PMC votes being binding.

 rgds
 jan i.

Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton (was [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair ...)

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-07-31 21:29 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org:

 I am gratified by the endorsements made to me on this thread.

 I accept nomination for recommendation as the next Chair for Apache
 OpenOffice.

 Jan's August 16 milestone should give us time to identify other's willing
 to serve as Chair and address any questions that the AOO community may have
 for all of us.

 Having served on the PMC since Valentine Day 2015, I thought it would be
 useful to update the statement that I provided on January 25.

 RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR
   My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the
 responsibilities of a PMC Chair as specified at 
 http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair. I understand that the Chair is
 not an executive in any form, and that, apart from the accountability to
 the Board and facilitation of deliberations, the Chair serves as an
 ordinary member of the PMC.

 APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE
   My promise is to serve as an effective member of the PMC with particular
 attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation and also to the
 cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project.  This will also require a
 clear-eyed assessment of what our capabilities and capacity for development
 are and what the feasible opportunities are.
   I returned to AOO (and Corinthia) last year because of some ideas I had
 for furthering the interoperability among ODF-support products of all
 kinds.  I have dabbled with the code but it is clear to me that the
 learning curve is too steep for me at this stage of my life.  I will focus
 on those activities that I am already equipped to perform, including
 improvement of interoperability testing and test materials.


Unrelated to the nomination: Dennis how about being AOO representative at
the upcoming ODF Plugfest, to be held in on September 15th in The Hague?

I've attended a phone call meeting a couple of weeks ago, it seems like
this is shaping nicely, and I guess you would be our best spokeperson over
there.

thoughts?




   I am also interested in QA and how user support can be broadened with
 materials brought current and highly-available.
   That will be more than enough for me to tackle by way of personal
 contribution over the next year or so.

  - Dennis



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Re: AOO extensions/templates after SourceForge outage

[Roberto Galoppini]

AOO Extensions is ok since yesterday, AOO Templates is finally back too.


2015-07-22 16:37 GMT+02:00 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:

 On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:40:17 +0200
 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks Rory,
 
  Actually restoration of project web data is still in-progress, hope to
  finally have good news in hours. At this time 18 of 26 letters are
  complete, but service restoral will come right after data validation.
 Once
  'a' completes, we will be moving AOO project pair on to a dedicated
  delivery path, with dedicated backups.
 
  We are really sorry for the inconvenience, are we're doing our best to
 take
  it back asap.
 
  Roberto

 Thanks for the update, Roberto.

 
  2015-07-22 10:48 GMT+02:00 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:
 
   This is not a complaint, just a comment for information:
  
   After the recent SourceForge outage, the pages being linked off the AOO
   download page for AOO extensions and AOO templates are not the detailed
   pages previously linked.  Of course, restoration may still be in
 process;
   if so, please disregard this post.  But in the event that there has
 been
   some mixup, please could we have the former pages back?
  
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Re: AOO extensions/templates after SourceForge outage

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks Rory,

Actually restoration of project web data is still in-progress, hope to
finally have good news in hours. At this time 18 of 26 letters are
complete, but service restoral will come right after data validation. Once
'a' completes, we will be moving AOO project pair on to a dedicated
delivery path, with dedicated backups.

We are really sorry for the inconvenience, are we're doing our best to take
it back asap.

Roberto

2015-07-22 10:48 GMT+02:00 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:

 This is not a complaint, just a comment for information:

 After the recent SourceForge outage, the pages being linked off the AOO
 download page for AOO extensions and AOO templates are not the detailed
 pages previously linked.  Of course, restoration may still be in process;
 if so, please disregard this post.  But in the event that there has been
 some mixup, please could we have the former pages back?

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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Roberto Galoppini]

Downloads services have been restored yesterday, sorry for the
inconvenience.

2015-07-18 9:56 GMT+02:00 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:

 On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:51:09 +1000
 Linda Parker lindai...@shoalhaven.net.au wrote:

  Downloads “Mergedocsonline” not Openoffice.  Tried multiple times.
 Using OS/X Yosemite 10.10.4.

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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Roberto Galoppini]

Marcus is right, both Extensions and Templates are in Project Web, whose
restoral is in progress.
We do post updates both via @sfnet_ops and at our blog, and I'll keep this
mailing-list up-to-date.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Roberto

2015-07-19 23:49 GMT+02:00 Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de:

 Sourceforge is partly in maintenance mode regarding their storage. The
 OpenOffice download is working. But the extensions and templates websites
 not yet. Pleae be patient and check back frequently.

 Thanks in advance for your patience.

 Marcus



 Am 07/19/2015 07:10 PM, schrieb James McGrath:

 I have tried several times to download the extensions and Templates from
 the main download page and only get the problem loading page [error
 message - The connection was reset, The connection to the server was
 reset while the page was loading. , The site could be temporarily
 unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. , If you are unable
 to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. , If your
 computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that
 Firefox is permitted to access the Web.]

 Each trial results in the same error, I have also tried other download
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Re: Broken Download Link

[Roberto Galoppini]

All download links have been restored yesterday. Extensions and Templates
sites are not up yet, but they are in our priority list.
Updates are available via twitter @sfnet_ops and at our blog.

Roberto

2015-07-18 5:03 GMT+02:00 Craig Hitchens jent...@gmail.com:

 Hi.
 Tried to download updates and some template to Open Office and the
 sourceforge URL is broken.

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download

 You get a HTTP400 error message.
 Might want to look into that :)

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Re: extensions and dictionaries

[Roberto Galoppini]

We're on top of the problem, hope to be able to provide an update soon.

Roberto

2015-07-16 20:53 GMT+02:00 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:

 On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:44:10 +0200
 David Billing david.j.bill...@gmail.com wrote:

  No links to extensions seems to work.
  I'm trying to get dictionaries in english.
 
  http://extensions.openoffice.org/
 
  Kind regards
  David Billing

 The SourceForge servers, where he files are stored, seem to be down at
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Re: Bootstrap download failures, mainly from http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-06-23 0:49 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com:



 On 06/21/2015 11:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  On 21/06/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:
  yes, they would be...based on the buildbot failure alone, I think the SF
  mirror must have been deactivated just a day or so ago.
 
  Could it be that this is an unintended consequence of SourceForge's new
  policy when they decided, for transparency towards the community, to
  avoid mirrors that had not been asked for?
 
 http://sourceforge.net/blog/project-mirroring-policies-will-be-revisited-with-our-community-panel-existing-mirrors-removed/
 
 
  It seems clear that
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ was definitely
  to be kept (or, while at it, we could have it relocated to
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras/ or something else like
  apache-extras-openoffice).

 Oh my! I did not see/hear about this. Given the June 18 notice, yes, I
 would certainly say this applies to AOO and why the mirror service was
 stopped.


Yes, that is the reason. Do we need to reinstate the project, and if that's
the case who would be the administrator/s?
Let me know and I'll get it fixed, really sorry for the annoyance.

Roberto




 OK, I'm looking specifically at this paragraph from the link you sent--

 Mirrors which are not co-maintained with the one or more of the
 original developers, except where the upstream site has been
 discontinued, have been removed effective immediately. An extensive
 review has been conducted of the 295 mirrored projects and removals were
 completed on June 18th. Where a SourceForge-maintained mirror has been
 removed, we have redirected this traffic back to the canonical home for
 the software (whence it was mirrored to begin with).

 Basically since ooo-extras are copies with md5 sums applied for our
 own uses, and we are NOT the original developers,  this would definitely
 apply.

 In most cases, we have the provider links to these items listed as URL1
 in /main/external_deps.lst. So, should we just change this file to use
 URL1 as default and forget ooo-extras altogether?

 We would need to see how this affects configuration which I've had
 problems with in the past when these sources haven't bee kept up to date
 in /ext_sources. It's likely we would need some alternate verification
 method.




 
  The direct download from
  http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v8d.tar.gz
  and
  http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.6/Python-2.7.6.tgz
  works for me. I don't know why it doesn't work for bootstrap.
 
  At times, the first download fails since the .gz file is uncompressed
  during download. So basically you download file.tar.gz and what you get
  is a file named file.tar.gz but with the contents of file.tar (and
  thus a different md5sum). If someone wants to hack the Perl file or file
  this in an issue it would be perfect. But the fallback always worked, so
  this hasn't been high priority.
 
  Regards,
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Re: Bootstrap download failures, mainly from http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-06-23 22:39 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com:


 On 06/23/2015 08:00 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
  2015-06-23 0:49 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com:
 
 
 
  On 06/21/2015 11:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  On 21/06/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:
  yes, they would be...based on the buildbot failure alone, I think the
 SF
  mirror must have been deactivated just a day or so ago.
 
  Could it be that this is an unintended consequence of SourceForge's new
  policy when they decided, for transparency towards the community, to
  avoid mirrors that had not been asked for?
 
 
 http://sourceforge.net/blog/project-mirroring-policies-will-be-revisited-with-our-community-panel-existing-mirrors-removed/
 
 
  It seems clear that
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ was definitely
  to be kept (or, while at it, we could have it relocated to
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras/ or something else like
  apache-extras-openoffice).
 
  Oh my! I did not see/hear about this. Given the June 18 notice, yes, I
  would certainly say this applies to AOO and why the mirror service was
  stopped.
 
 
  Yes, that is the reason. Do we need to reinstate the project, and if
 that's
  the case who would be the administrator/s?
  Let me know and I'll get it fixed, really sorry for the annoyance.
 
  Roberto

 In the short term, reinstating the mirror of /trunk/ext_sources is
 pretty important without a lot of additional testing/setup directly from
 the source repositories of these items. So, I would vote YES on this.



oooextras is back from few hours now.



 What is required of the administrator(s)?



A sourceforge account, let me know yours (even privately) and I'll add them
right away.



 No apology needed. I think the majority of us are not current on
 SourceForge policies so we were not aware of this change. As far as I
 know, Apache OpenOffice was happy to have the SourceForge mirror service
 for these additional sources.


Our decision was driven by other communities' concerns, we believe that our
current setting give peace of mind to all mirrored projects, but those who
really want to manage their mirrors! :) Hope we reinstated it properly and
we can move on.

Thanks for understanding.

roberto





 
 
 
 
  OK, I'm looking specifically at this paragraph from the link you sent--
 
  Mirrors which are not co-maintained with the one or more of the
  original developers, except where the upstream site has been
  discontinued, have been removed effective immediately. An extensive
  review has been conducted of the 295 mirrored projects and removals were
  completed on June 18th. Where a SourceForge-maintained mirror has been
  removed, we have redirected this traffic back to the canonical home for
  the software (whence it was mirrored to begin with).
 
  Basically since ooo-extras are copies with md5 sums applied for our
  own uses, and we are NOT the original developers,  this would definitely
  apply.
 
  In most cases, we have the provider links to these items listed as URL1
  in /main/external_deps.lst. So, should we just change this file to use
  URL1 as default and forget ooo-extras altogether?
 
  We would need to see how this affects configuration which I've had
  problems with in the past when these sources haven't bee kept up to date
  in /ext_sources. It's likely we would need some alternate verification
  method.
 
 
 
 
 
  The direct download from
  http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v8d.tar.gz
  and
  http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.6/Python-2.7.6.tgz
  works for me. I don't know why it doesn't work for bootstrap.
 
  At times, the first download fails since the .gz file is uncompressed
  during download. So basically you download file.tar.gz and what you get
  is a file named file.tar.gz but with the contents of file.tar (and
  thus a different md5sum). If someone wants to hack the Perl file or
 file
  this in an issue it would be perfect. But the fallback always worked,
 so
  this hasn't been high priority.
 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi,

 I need the original link, and possibly a screenshot, thanks.

 Roberto

2015-05-27 10:51 GMT+02:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 Jump to a para-site:
 h**p://www.sutuul.com

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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

It has been removed, thanks for heads up.

2015-05-27 11:10 GMT+02:00 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

  I need the original link, and possibly a screenshot, thanks.

  Roberto

 2015-05-27 10:51 GMT+02:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 Jump to a para-site:
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Re: [DEV ] About WebDAV lock implementation and issues i125194, i126305, i126312

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-05-19 10:15 GMT+02:00 Giuseppe Castagno giuseppe.casta...@acca-esse.eu
:

 Ciao Roberto,

 On 05/18/2015 11:03 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

 Ciao Giuseppe,

   if you can drop a description of what you're looking for on SourceForge
 help wanted forum I can promote it.
 http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/helpwanted/


 Not sure I caught you right, anyway what I need:

 knowledge of SCons build system [1], in order to modify an existing
 SConstruct project description to fit AOO build on Windows OS.

 That is: modify SConstruct to cross-compile on cygwin host, target
 Windows, build system for target on Windows.

 Though I'm not sure how to fit this into a SF help wanted forum.


If you don't mind to have a look at how other requests over there are
shaped you could easily create one and then I could promote it.
We reach out to over a million developers with our newsletter and someone
will probably stumble upon this if we give it visibility.

Let me know.

Roberto




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Re: [DEV ] About WebDAV lock implementation and issues i125194, i126305, i126312

[Roberto Galoppini]

Ciao Giuseppe,

 if you can drop a description of what you're looking for on SourceForge
help wanted forum I can promote it.
http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/helpwanted/

best,

Roberto

2015-05-17 9:23 GMT+02:00 Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de:

 Am 05/16/2015 11:35 AM, schrieb Giuseppe Castagno:

 Hi all,

 a few words about what I did (and found) on WebDAV.

 [...]


 thanks a lot for your work on the webdav functionality in AOO. I really
 hope that a developer with that knowledge has some time to look into this.

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Re: Extensions website managment

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks Marcus for raising it to my attention.

2015-04-21 19:06 GMT+02:00 Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de:

 Am 04/21/2015 08:43 AM, schrieb FR web forum:

 https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126253

 Someone to have a look on this one?


 looks like as Roberto could help here.


About to write an email to the original maintainer, if I do not hear back
or it bounces back will move on as per his ask.

Thanks,

Roberto



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Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?

[Roberto Galoppini]

Sorry to answer late on this, got swamped by other emails and initiatives.
In line answers.

2015-02-28 23:10 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org:

  -- replying inline to --
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?

 On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 
 
  IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't
 loose.
 
 
  I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just
  AOO.
 
 
  Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So,
  the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is
  controlled/accessible at apache.org.
 
 
  One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the
  one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache.  Even if that
  can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not
  included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert
 on
  Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could
 make
  the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly.
 

 It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it
 could be useful.   If someone can offer a better long-term place for
 this, please chime in.   An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could
 gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB.   It could be
 even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only)
 repository, to consult the history of the code base.

 I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any
 controlled data center.  It is just sitting at home on a shelf,
 susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats.  It
 would be good to get it under suitable curation.

 orcmid
   Three prospects (worst to best?)

   1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service,
  not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach.

   2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and
  no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth
  is limited).  They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I
  would have to install the SVN myself.  I could easily create an FTP
  account just for transfer and preservation of that specific
  content though.  Not certain about curation.  Just another mirror
  for preservation purposes.

   3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up
  as a read-only SVN.  Although the Apache Extras there are set up
  mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could
  not have a repo too.  This would be perfect so long as it is
  workable for them.


SourceForge is definitely open and willing to do so, and let me add that by
doing that we would just go back to our own roots.
In fact the early working name for the SourceForge site was Cold Storage (
http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=3649) and they intended
it to be a permanent archive for important FOSS.

Having said that, for a long-standing project like AOO, even if the old
code will be of limited use to an end-user, but as a practical matter it's
important for projects to keep these early materials in case they are
needed to demonstrate code ownership or prior art.  We continue to view
this as part of our key mission -- where practicable we should provide
service to safeguard the availability of these materials.

Dave Brondsema, Apache Allura VP and SourceForge Lead Engineer, will follow
up in this thread providing support or guidance if needed. Few AOO
committers have already admin priv on the AOO mirror at SourceForge, and if
others need to get access it could be granted easily.

Hope that helps.

Roberto




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Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-02-23 8:43 GMT+01:00 jan i j...@apache.org:

 On 23 February 2015 at 03:41, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:

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  On 23/02/15 00:15, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 
  
   Copyleft licenses, namely the GNU GPL, are enforced through specific
   actions by the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) and the Free Software
   Foundation (FSF): an ascertained violation due to inclusion of copyleft
   code in a proprietary product results in the obligation to make the
   entire product source code available to the public. The Apache License
   avoids this risk and the associated needs for more employee education
   and more internal audits.
 
 
  I'd suggest deleting that paragraph.
  For starters, the SFLC  FSF are neither the only organizations to
  distribute software under the GNU GPL, nor the only organizations to
  file lawsuits based on GNU GPL violations.
 
 I second that.


+1



 I really like the rest of the documentation,


me too, thanks Andrea to have found the time to do that!



 but the last paragraph is not
 needed. We have no business telling how other licenses work.


 Alternatively, rephrase it.
 
  Software distributed under The Apache License can be included in
  proprietary software, without the legal obligation of releasing the
  entire source code tree, to the users of the program. All that is
  required, is an attribution of the Apache Licensed source code.
 
  The Apache License reduces:
  * The need for employee education;
  * The frequency of internal audits;
  * The intensity of internal audits;
 

 That could also work, because it does not mention the other licenses.


Agree.

Roberto



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 jan i.


 
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

Thanks for heads up, I've just passed this onto our AdOps team, it will be
removed shortly.

roberto

2015-02-13 17:09 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 See: http://hpics.li/73a635e

 This ad jump to a para-site:
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

[Roberto Galoppini]

Just confirming it has been blocked 5 mins ago.

Thanks again,

Roberto

2015-02-13 17:29 GMT+01:00 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com:

 Thanks for heads up, I've just passed this onto our AdOps team, it will be
 removed shortly.

 roberto

 2015-02-13 17:09 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 See: http://hpics.li/73a635e

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Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-02-02 14:34 GMT+01:00 Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com:

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:

  On 30/01/2015 Rob Weir wrote:
 
  1) Companies that use commercially licensed software are exposed to
  compliance risk that can be mitigated with time and expense.
  2) Companies that use copyleft software are also exposed to compliance
  risk that can be mitigated with time and expense.
  3)  There is a class of open source licenses that represent a middle
  path and avoid much of this risk.  The Apache License is one example.
  4) Apache OpenOffice uses the Apache License, so if you are concerned
  with the cost of license compliance you might want to look further
  into using OpenOffice.
  I'd argue that this is a factual, relevant and appropriate thing for us
  to say.
 
 
  The page provides relevant information in a bad way (tone and wording of
  the above list would be OK, for example). It is by keeping it as it is
 that
  we play the game of haters. I'll propose a rewrite next weekend.


 That sounds a good move, Andrea. However, one question that needs asking is
 why the AOO project (as opoosed to Apache in general) needs this page at
 all. Now that LibreOffice uses the Mozilla license (which is not known for
 compliance risks), which GPL-licensed suite is this page helping users
 avoid?



I'd say OpenOffice.org itself.

Roberto




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