Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Justin W. Flory]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017, Jan Kurik wrote:
> I do not see the conflict of interests here. Justin is one of
> volunteers (for several election cycles already) who contacts all
> candidates at the beginning of Campaign period providing them with
> instructions how to work with CommOps team to publish their
> interviews. I really do not think that people helping with
> administrative work behind elections should be punished by their
> exclusion from nominations.
> 
> Anyone in the community can add a question into the questionnaire
> during the nomination period. And it is free will of a nominee which
> questions he/she answers in the interview.
> 

Hi all,

Thanks for your interest in the election process – I appreciate everyone
that has offered constructive feedback on ways to improve the election
process. Together with Jan, this is something that CommOps has been
trying to help assist with and promote more engagement and interest in
the elections.

The questionnaire process is open for the community to add their own
questions for candidates during the election process on the wiki. As
with previous release cycles, CommOps helps create HTML interview
templates to make it easier for candidates to answer the questions and
get their interviews posted. This happened in this PR:

https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/pull-request/113

Once the campaign period started, I checked for any new questions, then
merged the PR and personally emailed the templates to all candidates.

There was a lot of feedback and comments about ways the Election app
could be improved as well.

https://pagure.io/elections

After talking with some members of the Infrastructure team, hopefully
after this election cycle ends, a newer version of the Elections app
with an improved design a few other things will be online in time for
the next election. However, there's still a lot of work that needs to be
done. There are a few issues already filed, including…

* Add support for Fedora Badges (in the same style as Nuancier)
* Nominate candidates from Elections app
* Submit questionnaire questions from Elections app
* Add eligibility checks for candidates

This isn't comprehensive, but if you have suggestions, please feel free
to file an issue in the meanwhile:

https://pagure.io/elections/issues

Or better yet, if you'd like to help with development on this project,
there's definitely a strong need for some improvements that could have a
significant impact on overall engagement, interest, and participation in
the elections. For a start, it could probably use some love to move over
to Python 3. :)

Thanks again for everyone that has offered constructive feedback on the
elections!

-- 
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflo...@gmail.com



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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 16 August 2017 at 13:02, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:

> On 08/16/2017 05:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 16 August 2017 at 03:38, Till Maas  opensou...@till.name>> wrote:
>>
>> Am 15. August 2017 15:47:49 MESZ schrieb Jan Kurik
>> >:
>>
>> >I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
>> >in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections,
>> as
>> >we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can
>> prepare
>> >them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
>> >can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
>> >earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.
>>
>> Would it be possible to have longer nomination and election periods?
>> In other processes such as removal of packages and the no responsive
>> maintainer process we have much longer waiting times (6 weeks) to
>> account for vacations and other commitments.
>>
>>
>> We had this in the past, and candidates had complained that it was taking
>> too long for an election to occur with so few people voting.
>>
>
> Do you realize that this time the election period was midst of the summer
> holiday season, which means many people probably were off at least for some
> time?
>
>
Yes, and you cut off the part where I put in a proposal to not have it
again. Beyond that I have nothing else to say.



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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 08/16/2017 05:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:



On 16 August 2017 at 03:38, Till Maas > wrote:


Am 15. August 2017 15:47:49 MESZ schrieb Jan Kurik
>:

>I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
>in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections, as
>we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can prepare
>them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
>can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
>earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.

Would it be possible to have longer nomination and election periods?
In other processes such as removal of packages and the no responsive
maintainer process we have much longer waiting times (6 weeks) to
account for vacations and other commitments.


We had this in the past, and candidates had complained that it was 
taking too long for an election to occur with so few people voting.


Do you realize that this time the election period was midst of the 
summer holiday season, which means many people probably were off at 
least for some time?


Ralf
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 16 August 2017 at 03:38, Till Maas  wrote:

> Am 15. August 2017 15:47:49 MESZ schrieb Jan Kurik :
>
> >I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
> >in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections, as
> >we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can prepare
> >them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
> >can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
> >earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.
>
> Would it be possible to have longer nomination and election periods? In
> other processes such as removal of packages and the no responsive
> maintainer process we have much longer waiting times (6 weeks) to account
> for vacations and other commitments.
>
>
We had this in the past, and candidates had complained that it was taking
too long for an election to occur with so few people voting. I don't know
if there is any happy medium here. The other suggestion was to cut off from
release based dates to set dates in the year. This also has problems but
could allow for a clearer "You will need to put in for candidacy on April
15th. Interviews need to be posted on May 1st. Election ends May 14th,
announcement May 15"



> Kind regards
> Till
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Till Maas]

Am 15. August 2017 15:47:49 MESZ schrieb Jan Kurik :

>I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
>in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections, as
>we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can prepare
>them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
>can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
>earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.

Would it be possible to have longer nomination and election periods? In other 
processes such as removal of packages and the no responsive maintainer process 
we have much longer waiting times (6 weeks) to account for vacations and other 
commitments.

Kind regards
Till
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Till Maas]

Am 15. August 2017 16:55:02 MESZ schrieb Ben Rosser :

>I would go so far as to say answering the questionnaire, or at least
>giving
>a brief statement about your goals for the position, should be a
>*requirement* for running for an elected position in the project.
Hi Ben,

I like your idea of providing a short goal statement. I do not believe it is 
beneficial to add more hard requirements for candidates. There are already not 
enough candidates in my opinion. It is a voluntary position. One important 
factor why I volunteered as a candidate is to give people a choice and to help 
where help is needed. From what I understand your proposal would make the 
election moot because it would make Justin the only eligible candidate.

Kind regards
Till
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Till Maas]

Am 16. August 2017 02:01:09 MESZ schrieb Kevin Kofler :
>Jan Kurik wrote:
>> It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
>> ausil: Your Council interview template".
>
>Wait, are we talking about the same Justin there? I.e., was one of the 
>candidates really also in charge of asking the interview questions? I
>sense 
>an obvious conflict of interest there. Who proves that the questions
>were 
>actually sent to the other candidates and that all the replies received
>were 
>actually published? The interviews really ought to be conducted by
>somebody 
>who is NOT a candidate.
>
>Kevin Kofler
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Hey Kevin,

you are sceptical, which is good. You can easily ask the candidates if their 
interview was not publishes. I received the mails from Justin and the interview 
I submitted was published. Nick Bebout helped with it. As long as no candidate 
claims there was some wrongdoing I do not see any reason to doubt Jason. Would 
you be willing to oversee the next election?

Kind regards
Till
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Jan Kurik]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 2:01 AM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Jan Kurik wrote:
>> It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
>> ausil: Your Council interview template".
>
> Wait, are we talking about the same Justin there? I.e., was one of the
> candidates really also in charge of asking the interview questions? I sense
> an obvious conflict of interest there. Who proves that the questions were
> actually sent to the other candidates and that all the replies received were
> actually published? The interviews really ought to be conducted by somebody
> who is NOT a candidate.

I do not see the conflict of interests here. Justin is one of
volunteers (for several election cycles already) who contacts all
candidates at the beginning of Campaign period providing them with
instructions how to work with CommOps team to publish their
interviews. I really do not think that people helping with
administrative work behind elections should be punished by their
exclusion from nominations.

Anyone in the community can add a question into the questionnaire
during the nomination period. And it is free will of a nominee which
questions he/she answers in the interview.

Regards,
Jan

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 at 02:01, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jan Kurik wrote:
> > It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
> > ausil: Your Council interview template".
> 
> Wait, are we talking about the same Justin there? I.e., was one of the 
> candidates really also in charge of asking the interview questions? I sense 
> an obvious conflict of interest there. Who proves that the questions were 
> actually sent to the other candidates and that all the replies received were 
> actually published? The interviews really ought to be conducted by somebody 
> who is NOT a candidate.

Kevin, please calm down and stop implying that Justin might have acted
inappropriately unless you have proof. I don't know if everyone got
the questionnaire mailed to them individually, but it was announced
publicly in advance (two times, even), for example on fedora-devel:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/AJX3FF47CXZ5JMDP2524YPBNU4GFTDAL/
and my reminder was Cc'd to Jan Kurik, so you can direct this
question to him. As for publishing, Justin is indeed one of the
Community Blog editors, but he's not the only one. The full list is
here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Blog#Editors .

Regards,
Dominik
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Kevin Kofler]

Jan Kurik wrote:
> It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
> ausil: Your Council interview template".

Wait, are we talking about the same Justin there? I.e., was one of the 
candidates really also in charge of asking the interview questions? I sense 
an obvious conflict of interest there. Who proves that the questions were 
actually sent to the other candidates and that all the replies received were 
actually published? The interviews really ought to be conducted by somebody 
who is NOT a candidate.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Dennis Gilmore]

El mar, 15-08-2017 a las 22:37 +0200, Jan Kurik escribió:
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Dennis Gilmore 
> wrote:
> > El mar, 15-08-2017 a las 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler escribió:
> > > Jan Kurik wrote:
> > > >   # votes |  name
> > > > - +--
> > > >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
> > > > - +--
> > > 
> > > No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
> > > questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps.
> > > (Though I
> > > personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even
> > > close to
> > > what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future
> > > candidates!
> > > 
> > > Kevin Kofler
> > 
> > What questionnaire? I was not asked to fill one out, I would have
> > done
> > so if asked.
> 
> It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
> ausil: Your Council interview template".
okay, must have been when I had mail server issues the other week as I
do not have it that I can find. No biggie, Justin is doing good work in
Fedora and I am possitive that he will do an excellent job

Dennis

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Jan Kurik]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Dennis Gilmore  wrote:
> El mar, 15-08-2017 a las 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler escribió:
>> Jan Kurik wrote:
>> >   # votes |  name
>> > - +--
>> >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
>> > - +--
>>
>> No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
>> questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps.
>> (Though I
>> personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even
>> close to
>> what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
>>
>> Kevin Kofler
> What questionnaire? I was not asked to fill one out, I would have done
> so if asked.

It was the one sent to you by Justin with subject "[Fedora elections]
ausil: Your Council interview template".

Regards,
Jan

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Dennis Gilmore]

El mar, 15-08-2017 a las 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler escribió:
> Jan Kurik wrote:
> >   # votes |  name
> > - +--
> >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
> > - +--
> 
> No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the 
> questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps.
> (Though I 
> personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even
> close to 
> what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
> 
> Kevin Kofler
What questionnaire? I was not asked to fill one out, I would have done
so if asked.

Dennis

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 08:11:15PM +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
> Would be happy to help with linking interviews.
> 
> Benson
> 
> On 08/15/2017 08:08 PM, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 05:49 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >
> > > Just linking to the User page is not enough,
> > > because those vary widely and often don't contain any info relevant for
> > > elections.
> >
> >This came up in another conversation I was having today. I agree
> >with linking to the interviews, however that may require some code
> >changes and "care and feeding" we don't have the capacity for (any
> >volunteers?).
> >
> >As an interim measure, Jan, could you modify the interview
> >instructions to include "and add a link to your published
> >interview at the top of your wiki user page"?
> >
> >This will add value and solve some of this. It's not a huge
> >request of a candidate.

I think I was able to add some links myself a few elections back
(the page was not protected), but in the last elections this wasn't
possible (and there weren't many interviews to link to either).

Zbyszek
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Benson Muite]

Would be happy to help with linking interviews.

Benson

On 08/15/2017 08:08 PM, Brian Exelbierd wrote:




On Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 05:49 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:

 > Just linking to the User page is not enough,
 > because those vary widely and often don't contain any info relevant for
 > elections.

This came up in another conversation I was having today. I agree with 
linking to the interviews, however that may require some code changes 
and "care and feeding" we don't have the capacity for (any volunteers?).


As an interim measure, Jan, could you modify the interview instructions 
to include "and add a link to your published interview at the top of 
your wiki user page"?


This will add value and solve some of this. It's not a huge request of a 
candidate.


Regards,

bex


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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Brian Exelbierd]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 05:49 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:

> Just linking to the User page is not enough,
> because those vary widely and often don't contain any info
> relevant for> elections.

This came up in another conversation I was having today. I agree with
linking to the interviews, however that may require some code changes
and "care and feeding" we don't have the capacity for (any volunteers?).
As an interim measure, Jan, could you modify the interview instructions
to include "and add a link to your published interview at the top of
your wiki user page"?
This will add value and solve some of this. It's not a huge request of a
candidate.
Regards,

bex 
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 06:58:00PM +0530, Parag Nemade wrote:
> Just a suggestion, election wrangler can ask for submitting and preparing
> the final questionnaires in advance maybe before the nomination period
> starts so that probable candidate can know about them and they can start
> preparing for their answers along with their nomination and submit it for
> blog publishing review during nomination period. These blogs can be
> published then in Campaign period. I am not sure but I guess publishing
> these interviews also takes some amount time if no one is available to
> review them.

I'd like to make this even stronger: all interviews should be published
*before* the voting period starts and linked directly from the voting page.

(I always vote when I get the announcement from wrangler, because I'd
otherwise most likely forget to vote, and if the interviews are not
available then, I'm not going to go back later and change my vote when
they appear.)

Unless we want people to vote just for people they happen to know, we
have to make it easier to view information about the activity in Fedora
and platform of candidates. Just linking to the User page is not enough,
because those vary widely and often don't contain any info relevant for
elections.

Zbyszek
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 03:47:49PM +0200, Jan Kurik wrote:
> I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
> in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections, as
> we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can prepare
> them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
> can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
> earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.

Sounds good to me. Thanks!

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Ben Rosser]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Silvia Sanchez  wrote:

>
> I don't think Justin won *only* because of the interview but I do think
> it had a lot to do.
> Personally, I think that dedicating some time to answer these questions
> (it doesn't take that much anyway, I know because I did it for FAmSCo)
> shows interest and commitment.
> My 2 cents.
>

I agree.

I know that, for example, I wasn't personally familiar with two of the
Council candidates' history in the Fedora project (and most of the FAmSCo
candidates, for that matter). I didn't know why they wanted to run, what
their goals for the project were, etc. If they'd filled out the interview
it would have been much clearer what their positions were and why I should
vote for them and what they might focus on if elected.

I would go so far as to say answering the questionnaire, or at least giving
a brief statement about your goals for the position, should be a
*requirement* for running for an elected position in the project.

Ben Rosser
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Silvia Sanchez]

I don't think Justin won  only  because of the interview but I do think
it had a lot to do.Personally, I think that dedicating some time to
answer these questions  (it doesn't take that much anyway, I know
because I did it for FAmSCo)  shows interest and commitment.My 2 cents.


On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 15:21 +0200, Radka Janekova wrote:
> > I agree with Kevin on the interviews. Personally I find them very
> important
> > and read them religiously.
> > Even though I'm fairly active in certain areas of Fedora, there are
> many candidates
> > (especially for famsco and council) whom I don't know and haven't
> interacted
> > with at all. Doing the review on time is also a sign of commitment
> and
> > organizational skills ;)
> 
> You misunderstood me, I never said that they were not important. I
> meant that you can't and shouldn't say that Justin won only and only
> because nobody else did their interview. That statement would be
> wrong on multiple levels.
> 
> 
> Radka
>   
> 
> 
> Radka Janeková
> .NET & OpenShift Engineer, Red Hat
> radka.ja...@redhat.com
> IRC: radka | Freenode: Rhea
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek  @in.waw.pl> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 02:35:48PM +0200, Radka Janekova wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > I don't think that it has much to do with others not answering
> > questions.
> > 
> > > Justin was very high in the results last election as well, and
> > has been
> > 
> > > doing great job all around Fedora project for a long time now.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I agree with Kevin on the interviews. Personally I find them very
> > important
> > 
> > and read them religiously.
> > 
> > Even though I'm fairly active in certain areas of Fedora, there are
> > many candidates
> > 
> > (especially for famsco and council) whom I don't know and haven't
> > interacted
> > 
> > with at all. Doing the review on time is also a sign of commitment
> > and
> > 
> > organizational skills ;)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out
> > the
> > 
> > > > questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps.
> > (Though I
> > 
> > > > personally did not vote for him because the answers were not
> > even close to
> > 
> > > > what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future
> > candidates!
> > 
> > Hmmm, that's intersting too. In the interview, flory7 talks about
> > 
> > increasing communication and interconnectedness of different
> > 
> > initiatives. Then about increasing new contributor retention. Then
> > to
> > 
> > "represent the perspectives, views, and ambitions of a wide range
> > of
> > 
> > contributors and to help connect the community". Do you disagree
> > with
> > 
> > those goals, or do you think that the focus should be on something
> > else?
> > 
> > I'm intrigued.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Jan Kurik]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 06:58:00PM +0530, Parag Nemade wrote:
>> Just a suggestion, election wrangler can ask for submitting and preparing
>> the final questionnaires in advance maybe before the nomination period
>> starts so that probable candidate can know about them and they can start
>> preparing for their answers along with their nomination and submit it for
>> blog publishing review during nomination period. These blogs can be
>> published then in Campaign period. I am not sure but I guess publishing
>> these interviews also takes some amount time if no one is available to
>> review them.
>
> Jan, maybe a little longer between nomination and voting period next
> time?

I am personally not convinced this will help as the set of questions
in Questionnaire is almost the same for the last several elections, as
we copy them from one elections to another. So, candidates can prepare
them self in advance even now. However, I do not see a reason why we
can not start collection of questions for the Questionnaire one week
earlier. I can modify the schedule for F27 release cycle, if agreed.

Regards,
Jan

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Kevin Kofler]

Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Hmmm, that's intersting too. In the interview, flory7 talks about
> increasing communication and interconnectedness of different
> initiatives. Then about increasing new contributor retention. Then to
> "represent the perspectives, views, and ambitions of a wide range of
> contributors and to help connect the community". Do you disagree with
> those goals, or do you think that the focus should be on something else?
> I'm intrigued.

What I disagree with is the technical goals, pushing further initiatives 
such as Atomic and Modularity.

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 06:58:00PM +0530, Parag Nemade wrote:
> Just a suggestion, election wrangler can ask for submitting and preparing
> the final questionnaires in advance maybe before the nomination period
> starts so that probable candidate can know about them and they can start
> preparing for their answers along with their nomination and submit it for
> blog publishing review during nomination period. These blogs can be
> published then in Campaign period. I am not sure but I guess publishing
> these interviews also takes some amount time if no one is available to
> review them.

Jan, maybe a little longer between nomination and voting period next
time?

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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Parag Nemade]

Hi,

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Langdon White 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:37 AM Kevin Kofler 
> wrote:
>
>> Jan Kurik wrote:
>> >   # votes |  name
>> > - +--
>> >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
>> > - +--
>>
>> No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
>> questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps. (Though I
>> personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even close to
>> what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
>>
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>
> Personally, I find this to be pretty offensive. I care a lot about Fedora
> and between F26 being late & the short cycle for f27, not to mention
> $DAYJOB, I just didn't get to it. I am really sorry to have lost the seat
> and not campaigned hard enough.
>
> Congrats to Justin!
>
>

Just a suggestion, election wrangler can ask for submitting and preparing
the final questionnaires in advance maybe before the nomination period
starts so that probable candidate can know about them and they can start
preparing for their answers along with their nomination and submit it for
blog publishing review during nomination period. These blogs can be
published then in Campaign period. I am not sure but I guess publishing
these interviews also takes some amount time if no one is available to
review them.

Regards,
Parag
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Radka Janekova]

> I agree with Kevin on the interviews. Personally I find them very
important
> and read them religiously.
> Even though I'm fairly active in certain areas of Fedora, there are many
candidates
> (especially for famsco and council) whom I don't know and haven't
interacted
> with at all. Doing the review on time is also a sign of commitment and
> organizational skills ;)

You misunderstood me, I never said that they were not important. I meant
that you can't and shouldn't say that Justin won only and only because
nobody else did their interview. That statement would be wrong on multiple
levels.


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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 02:35:48PM +0200, Radka Janekova wrote:
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I don't think that it has much to do with others not answering questions.
> > Justin was very high in the results last election as well, and has been
> > doing great job all around Fedora project for a long time now.
>
> I agree with Kevin on the interviews. Personally I find them very important
> and read them religiously.
> Even though I'm fairly active in certain areas of Fedora, there are many
> candidates
> (especially for famsco and council) whom I don't know and haven't
> interacted
> with at all. Doing the review on time is also a sign of commitment and
> organizational skills ;)
>
> > > No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
> > > questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps.
> (Though I
> > > personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even
> close to
> > > what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
> Hmmm, that's intersting too. In the interview, flory7 talks about
> increasing communication and interconnectedness of different
> initiatives. Then about increasing new contributor retention. Then to
> "represent the perspectives, views, and ambitions of a wide range of
> contributors and to help connect the community". Do you disagree with
> those goals, or do you think that the focus should be on something else?
> I'm intrigued.
>
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Langdon White]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:37 AM Kevin Kofler  wrote:

> Jan Kurik wrote:
> >   # votes |  name
> > - +--
> >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
> > - +--
>
> No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
> questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps. (Though I
> personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even close to
> what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
>
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Personally, I find this to be pretty offensive. I care a lot about Fedora
and between F26 being late & the short cycle for f27, not to mention
$DAYJOB, I just didn't get to it. I am really sorry to have lost the seat
and not campaigned hard enough.

Congrats to Justin!

Langdon
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 02:35:48PM +0200, Radka Janekova wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I don't think that it has much to do with others not answering questions.
> Justin was very high in the results last election as well, and has been
> doing great job all around Fedora project for a long time now.

I agree with Kevin on the interviews. Personally I find them very important
and read them religiously.
Even though I'm fairly active in certain areas of Fedora, there are many 
candidates
(especially for famsco and council) whom I don't know and haven't interacted
with at all. Doing the review on time is also a sign of commitment and
organizational skills ;)

> > No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
> > questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps. (Though I
> > personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even close to
> > what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
Hmmm, that's intersting too. In the interview, flory7 talks about
increasing communication and interconnectedness of different
initiatives. Then about increasing new contributor retention. Then to
"represent the perspectives, views, and ambitions of a wide range of
contributors and to help connect the community". Do you disagree with
those goals, or do you think that the focus should be on something else?
I'm intrigued.

Zbyszek
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Radka Janekova]

Hi Kevin,

I don't think that it has much to do with others not answering questions.
Justin was very high in the results last election as well, and has been
doing great job all around Fedora project for a long time now.

Regards,
Radka

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Kofler 
wrote:

> Jan Kurik wrote:
> >   # votes |  name
> > - +--
> >  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
> > - +--
>
> No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the
> questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps. (Though I
> personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even close to
> what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!
>
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Re: Council Elections - July/August 2017 - Result announcement

[Kevin Kofler]

Jan Kurik wrote:
>   # votes |  name
> - +--
>  505  | Justin W. Flory (jwf / jflory7)
> - +--

No wonder, he is the only candidate who bothered filling out the 
questionnaire. It shows that answering voters' questions helps. (Though I 
personally did not vote for him because the answers were not even close to 
what I wanted to hear.) May this be a lesson for future candidates!

Kevin Kofler
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