Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a software package called DXSpider. http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info. I have no clue how to read this but there it is. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.nowrote: Hi Rain You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your browser and you get this: login: GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: 90.225.73.203:8000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 115 Connection: keep-alive Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign - Then try to type c:telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that this is TELNET and that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode. I hope this is understandable . LA5VNA Steinar On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Rein After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest ROS v4.5.7 in RX mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft) .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network activity in real time . What I fount out was that the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to connect to the address: 90.225.73.203, 217.31.161.71,8 or 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer. LA5VNA Steinar On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote: Thank you, Laurei: Where Do The Spots Come From? 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT. ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY. This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer. HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK, RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages. HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ). 73 Rein, W6SZ
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Re: JT65-HF on 14076
I don't know the reason either. Using JT65-HF I've found that strong signals clear up once you put a check in the ( Smooth ) box and or you can also try adjusting the ( Color) (Brightness) and ( Contrast) Eddy N 4 A B N --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Russell Blair russell_blai...@... wrote: I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
Hi Russell, OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have also seen at times multiple decodes. One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but something ( distortion ) that was produced on the transmitter side ( it happened every time the station made a transmission ) Never really looked further because of certain sensitivity issues that could arise asking questions. I think one should always try to prevent overdriving the transmitter and if detection is done using FFT's, distortion becomes even a bigger no no. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 8:20 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
Yes Rein I understand, this was one station but with two signals that started and end at the same time and one decode, I'm running jt65-hf with multi-decode checked and had the gain all the way up, because I need it on 17m, I have cut the gain back and keeping a check to see if it happens again. 73 Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 8:48:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Hi Russell, OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have also seen at times multiple decodes. One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but something ( distortion ) that was produced on the transmitter side ( it happened every time the station made a transmission ) Never really looked further because of certain sensitivity issues that could arise asking questions. I think one should always try to prevent overdriving the transmitter and if detection is done using FFT's, distortion becomes even a bigger no no. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 8:20 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] How ROS is auto-spotting to the Cluster.
What other surprises are hidden in this software? None ! program has been removed. firewall settings changed to block anything that may still be imbedded.
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves I had to use Google to learn that expression. Not using it much in daily conversations. What are you trying to get to James? Why is it that trying to figure out how systems work excites you? Once I am through with this little project you might understand or perhaps not why I am doing this. 73 Rein W6SZ I had to use Google to learn that expression. -Original Message- From: James Hall hall.jam...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a software package called DXSpider. http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info. I have no clue how to read this but there it is. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.nowrote: Hi Rain You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your browser and you get this: login: GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: 90.225.73.203:8000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 115 Connection: keep-alive Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign - Then try to type c:telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that this is TELNET and that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode. I hope this is understandable . LA5VNA Steinar On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Rein After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest ROS v4.5.7 in RX mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft) .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network activity in real time . What I fount out was that the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to connect to the address: 90.225.73.203, 217.31.161.71,8 or 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer. LA5VNA Steinar On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote: Thank you, Laurei: Where Do The Spots Come From? 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT. ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY. This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer. HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK, RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages. HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ). 73 Rein, W6SZ
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
HI Russell, There is gain and gain. If you use gain in terms of obtaining a better noise figure on receiving, I do not believe you have to worry about that kind of gain, It might be that you have perhaps too much gain in your audio section ( going into sound card and via sound card into DSP decoding operations.) So It would be interesting if you had a signal that would always show the double decoding and then to be able to make changes in your receiving chain and see whether those changes had any effects. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Yes Rein I understand, this was one station but with two signals that started and end at the same time and one decode, I'm running jt65-hf with multi-decode checked and had the gain all the way up, because I need it on 17m, I have cut the gain back and keeping a check to see if it happens again. 73 Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 8:48:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Hi Russell, OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have also seen at times multiple decodes. One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but something ( distortion ) that was produced on the transmitter side ( it happened every time the station made a transmission ) Never really looked further because of certain sensitivity issues that could arise asking questions. I think one should always try to prevent overdriving the transmitter and if detection is done using FFT's, distortion becomes even a bigger no no. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 8:20 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
Rein, I'm using the SignaLink USB and the audio is showing to be only about half scale on the program, I have been checking today and it has not happen only that one time on 20m. So I will keep an eye on it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:51:54 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 HI Russell, There is gain and gain. If you use gain in terms of obtaining a better noise figure on receiving, I do not believe you have to worry about that kind of gain, It might be that you have perhaps too much gain in your audio section ( going into sound card and via sound card into DSP decoding operations.) So It would be interesting if you had a signal that would always show the double decoding and then to be able to make changes in your receiving chain and see whether those changes had any effects. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Yes Rein I understand, this was one station but with two signals that started and end at the same time and one decode, I'm running jt65-hf with multi-decode checked and had the gain all the way up, because I need it on 17m, I have cut the gain back and keeping a check to see if it happens again. 73 Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 8:48:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Hi Russell, OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have also seen at times multiple decodes. One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but something ( distortion ) that was produced on the transmitter side ( it happened every time the station made a transmission ) Never really looked further because of certain sensitivity issues that could arise asking questions. I think one should always try to prevent overdriving the transmitter and if detection is done using FFT's, distortion becomes even a bigger no no. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 8:20 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ? The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this program has been said to do. This program is doing a lot more then we have been told. And it seems to me (as well as others) the we may never know just what it is doing. The HAM community dose need this.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC
Hi Dave, Thanks. From here you come over as a thoughtful person and you seem to be following where this is going. I am not happy that I can not use ROS modem. This is a fact. The way the ruling came over via the ARRL is mot correct ( IMHO ) I have been trying to discuss this here and at other places and get being attacked by a particular individual who indicated at several occasions that he does not fall under the jurisdiction of the FCC or any law in the US ( He has to do with the Postal Office in the UK ) He is also VERY happy about that fact and others. ( Perhaps deported out of US in the past? ) I really do not care whether he is happy or not. I have been following over the last week or so, US calls that are showing up at the HAMSPOTS web site. In that process I have come to the conclusion that some of those calls are ( I should say WERE of amateurs that have passed on, but the calls have nor been removed for the FCC raster ) I found 2 or 3 cases of that type. Others of that collection are held by people of,lets say advanced age. ( in their ninety's ) I am not yoking! So something is going on with these calls. I am told now how my call and others showed up as plotters. Fine Now like to learn how US calls show up there, as transmitting ROS. Can they artificially be injected or not? Are those calls being used in real ROS transmissions? How is it that those calls have the US State indicated while non US calls have not the country or what have you indicated. Why do I want to know this? Well I like to know whether the use of ROS modem in on the increase among US amateurs. Are these people aware of the legal ROS status or not. These answers interest me. I hope Dave, you engage in this project ( or conversation ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: DaveNF2G d...@nf2g.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 11:41 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves LOL. Thank you for showing how silly this is getting. I suspect that these admittedly undesirable actions by the ROS software are not the result of some dastardly plot, but the natural behavior of a program that is written by someone who might be a loner by nature, and/or who grew up in a culture that does not value consultation. I base this on a sociological view of the entire ROS controversy and Jose's mode of response to the rest of the ham community. 73 de Dave, NF2G http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
HI John Let me make a few things clear. First and foremost I was rejected as a subscriber of the official list! At the time I was not aware of the some 150 messages on the QRZ.com about ROS, its author and the rest. A big eyeopener! If Jose has calls hardwired in a list prohibiting amateurs using his software and want to promote his package ( and he does ) he can only be classified as insane. The biggest problem between Jose and myself is about the difference between the FCC and the ARRL. If I send him info about other modes he translates that as being anti ROS, He is crazy but it really does not matter too much for me. From the beginning I thought that the author's lack of a few basic human properties was creating a lot of misunderstanding and I tried to defend Jose. In that process I was warned by unnamed people with official functions in the US ( like publishing a radio amateur newsletter and the IARU ) to stay away form this ROS mass because it would only cause me problems OK you and I exchanged emails about being prohibited using the ROS software I tried to help you, you thanked me but did not answer my final question! So I know just about every thingthere is to know about this going all the way back to the story about the agent 3040 I think the number was and Tim N3... We, as radio amateurs are using hardware and software and what have you produced by others that most of the time we know little or nothing about It does not really make much difference for me whether I know much about those that had something to do with what I am playing with. Do I like Bill Gates? Some engineer in Japan? And so on. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 12:08 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ? The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this program has been said to do. This program is doing a lot more then we have been told. And it seems to me (as well as others) the we may never know just what it is doing. The HAM community dose need this. http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076
OK Russell,tnx 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 12:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Rein, I'm using the SignaLink USB and the audio is showing to be only about half scale on the program, I have been checking today and it has not happen only that one time on 20m. So I will keep an eye on it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:51:54 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 HI Russell, There is gain and gain. If you use gain in terms of obtaining a better noise figure on receiving, I do not believe you have to worry about that kind of gain, It might be that you have perhaps too much gain in your audio section ( going into sound card and via sound card into DSP decoding operations.) So It would be interesting if you had a signal that would always show the double decoding and then to be able to make changes in your receiving chain and see whether those changes had any effects. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Yes Rein I understand, this was one station but with two signals that started and end at the same time and one decode, I'm running jt65-hf with multi-decode checked and had the gain all the way up, because I need it on 17m, I have cut the gain back and keeping a check to see if it happens again. 73 Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 8:48:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Hi Russell, OK. I do not know whether you are active with WSPR,, but there I have also seen at times multiple decodes. One station call, same time ,different indicated frequencies and S/N's I have not seen it recently and in those cases is was not due to overloading on my side ( receiver ) but something ( distortion ) that was produced on the transmitter side ( it happened every time the station made a transmission ) Never really looked further because of certain sensitivity issues that could arise asking questions. I think one should always try to prevent overdriving the transmitter and if detection is done using FFT's, distortion becomes even a bigger no no. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 8:20 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 Tnx Rein, I'm going to keep an eye this and see if it happens agian, that was the first time I saw it. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 This is probably a case of the transmitting station over driving (too much audio drive into transmitter ) Or perhaps the transmitting station is over loading your receiver. I have no idea whether you should get 2 decodes or not in this situation or mot . In just straight WSJT65A I have often seen decoded signals with very different S/N ratio's indicated, such as + 6 and - 25 dB. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65-HF on 14076 I am seeing 2 Images of N4CE one at -554 and Distorded and the other at +175 witch lookes fine but I'm only getting one decode. Is anyone seeing this other then me... Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what was that my final question again. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
OK John. Understood. Did it work on your computer? Did it work on the xyl's computer? ( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.) If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what was that my final question again. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/ -Original Message- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com [mailto:rein...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC OK John. Understood. Did it work on your computer? Did it work on the xyl's computer? ( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.) If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what was that my final question again. John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
After loading a updated version as he said that everyone needed to do. After entering my call it would not work. Just like others have posted that they could no longer use it. I have not tried it again and will not try it. Touch a hot stove and get burned one will not touch it again. I will never try ROS again. I did not try it on the XYL's and will not. At 12:43 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: OK John. Understood. Did it work on your computer? Did it work on the xyl's computer? ( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.) If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic. 73 Rein W6SZ
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
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John, Who is Andy, K3UK? I was told a few days ago by a moderator ( I think ) that we could discuss ROS on this board. For those who don't like it, they can use the erase button. I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. Though this is not an US matter at all, I think you are welcome here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/ 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/ http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies? You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof. Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence. There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector I will keep your input just between you and me. Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/ http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
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At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: John, Who is Andy, K3UK? Andy is the list owner. And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time. And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. Now you seem to be a spokesperson for Jose on ROS so why no answer? John, W0JAB
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
US operators that avoid ROS because it is illegal in the US are not zombies, they are simply abiding by the regulations that govern amateur radio operation here and thus protecting their licenses. The immature antics of Jose Ros are most likely the result of an over-driven ego untempered by any understanding of the social aspects of amateur radio. Hopefully, some wise Elmer will take Jose in hand and help him grow up to more constructively apply his obvious technical talent. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies? You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof. Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence. There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector I will keep your input just between you and me. Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/ http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he was doing a persona non grata list, the fact that he DID do a list, and his propensity to be untruthful in general, I would be VERY hesitant to install his software on my computer! Even more so if I was on his list! It's been established that his software is doing things he isn't telling people about ( the call reporting ) and that can't be turned off! He isn't a ham! He doesn't understand the ham community and doesn't make any effort to do so. He's deliberately hardcoding calling frequencies into his software and in some cases multiple frequencies in crowded bands. I don't know about YOU, but to me this ALL adds up to a VERY BAD picture. As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author for inclusion in his list?? His software is illegal for a significant portion of the ham community to use below 1.5m, yet he insists on pushing that use of his software? Sorry, I was interested initially in ROS, but given all of the above and all the rest that hasn't been stated in this msg, I'll probably be the last one to try his software AFTER everyone else has survived! 73, Jeff - Original Message - From: rein...@ix.netcom.com John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies? You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof. Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence. There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector I will keep your input just between you and me. Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John Becker, WOJAB Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. John, no one but Jose knows why specific ops were banned from using his application. Empirically, one ham was added to the persona non grata list shortly after posting that he had asked the FCC whether or not ROS was legal. My callsign appeared on the list after I sought to verify with FCC personnel the claim on Jose's blog that the FCC had approved ROS for use by US amateurs -- a claim the FCC characterizes as both false and fabricated. Perhaps my promotion was motivated by some earlier perceived infraction, but its entirely irrelevant because ROS is not legal for use by US operators; it's like being put on the no use of aviation frequencies list. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author for inclusion in his list?? This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- post on ROS. I've been quiet because it became apparent to me quite early in the game that the software was spread-spectrum within the meaning of the term as the FCC understands it. The author demonstrated quite early in the game that he wasn't a ham and didn't understand the sense of community that we hams, as a group, demonstrate and display more often than not; he also demonstrated through his blacklisting that he is vindictive, which is not conducive to his establishing a record of trust. Now it has been shown beyond contradiction that his software posts notices on one or more DX Cluster nodes; I haven't installed the software and so can't see where the controls, if any, for this behavior are located, but I do see users indicating that there are no controls for the reporting behavior. That's inexcusable, if it's true. Likewise, if this reporting behavior isn't advertised in the documentation, *that* is inexcusable as well. All this is in addition to the HF beaconing behavior, the very high ratio of bandwidth to baudrate, and other technical objections. I wash my hands of ROS, both the software and its author. I'll have naught to do with it. But this is an appropriate forum for discussion of the software, especially by amateur radio operators in venues where its use is legal, so I won't voice any objections to that. I may unsubscribe if things get too silly and Andy doesn't throttle them; that's just voting with my feet. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Hi Dave, Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world wide is increasing rapidly. We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc. If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want to research that. But then I can't force people. Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. Is that unreal? I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting. Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country? Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place to discuss issues related to digital modes? A digital mode with a list of banned calls? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John Becker, WOJAB Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. John, no one but Jose knows why specific ops were banned from using his application. Empirically, one ham was added to the persona non grata list shortly after posting that he had asked the FCC whether or not ROS was legal. My callsign appeared on the list after I sought to verify with FCC personnel the claim on Jose's blog that the FCC had approved ROS for use by US amateurs -- a claim the FCC characterizes as both false and fabricated. Perhaps my promotion was motivated by some earlier perceived infraction, but its entirely irrelevant because ROS is not legal for use by US operators; it's like being put on the no use of aviation frequencies list. 73, Dave, AA6YQ http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Hi Mike, No problem whatsoever and thank you for expressing your opinion. In spite of not willing to post on ROS anymore, are you on the list? Email me direct if you have concrete indications or proof. Can not talk for other members here. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: mikea mi...@mikea.ath.cx Sent: Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author for inclusion in his list?? This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- post on ROS. I've been quiet because it became apparent to me quite early in the game that the software was spread-spectrum within the meaning of the term as the FCC understands it. The author demonstrated quite early in the game that he wasn't a ham and didn't understand the sense of community that we hams, as a group, demonstrate and display more often than not; he also demonstrated through his blacklisting that he is vindictive, which is not conducive to his establishing a record of trust. Now it has been shown beyond contradiction that his software posts notices on one or more DX Cluster nodes; I haven't installed the software and so can't see where the controls, if any, for this behavior are located, but I do see users indicating that there are no controls for the reporting behavior. That's inexcusable, if it's true. Likewise, if this reporting behavior isn't advertised in the documentation, *that* is inexcusable as well. All this is in addition to the HF beaconing behavior, the very high ratio of bandwidth to baudrate, and other technical objections. I wash my hands of ROS, both the software and its author. I'll have naught to do with it. But this is an appropriate forum for discussion of the software, especially by amateur radio operators in venues where its use is legal, so I won't voice any objections to that. I may unsubscribe if things get too silly and Andy doesn't throttle them; that's just voting with my feet. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Hi Jeff, Thanks for your contribution, No problem and the truth. Could you inform me about the hardcoding of the calling frequencies. Does he eliminate the VFO setting of your transmitter? Or perhaps CAT settings? Please address this issue, again feel free to contact me off this board. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he was doing a persona non grata list, the fact that he DID do a list, and his propensity to be untruthful in general, I would be VERY hesitant to install his software on my computer! Even more so if I was on his list! It's been established that his software is doing things he isn't telling people about ( the call reporting ) and that can't be turned off! He isn't a ham! He doesn't understand the ham community and doesn't make any effort to do so. He's deliberately hardcoding calling frequencies into his software and in some cases multiple frequencies in crowded bands. I don't know about YOU, but to me this ALL adds up to a VERY BAD picture. As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author for inclusion in his list?? His software is illegal for a significant portion of the ham community to use below 1.5m, yet he insists on pushing that use of his software? Sorry, I was interested initially in ROS, but given all of the above and all the rest that hasn't been stated in this msg, I'll probably be the last one to try his software AFTER everyone else has survived! 73, Jeff - Original Message - From: rein...@ix.netcom.com John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies? You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof. Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence. There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector I will keep your input just between you and me. Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the rehashing.) Andy?? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Hi Dave, Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world wide is increasing rapidly. We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc. If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want to research that. But then I can't force people. Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. Is that unreal? I don't know what you mean by unreal, but it's certainly a waste of time as far as you, W0JAB, or I am concerned. US operators can't use ROS on HF whether they're on the list or not. I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting. Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country? Given that it represents the interests of US operators, you'll have a difficult time convincing the ARRL to do anything about a mode that US operators can't use on HF anyway. The IARU would be the more appropriate organization with which to raise this issue. Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place to discuss issues related to digital modes? Yes it is. A digital mode with a list of banned calls? Certainly, though of course Andy K3UK has the last word on this. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Hi John, Are you addressing this to me? How am I the spokesman of Jose? What more can I say about Jose to please some of you. What answer do you expect from me John? What I do say though is this: His not being an amateur A severe language problem. Little or none social behavior did contribute significantly to this circus. If you classify that as being a spokesman, OK what can I write more. I am still waiting for someone telling me that he has proof that he is on such a list. Using a recent version. Don't blame anyone saying Just the fact that there ever was such a list is enough etc etc At the same time I can not understand that hundreds of people using ROS now ignore this if they knew about such a list. This very point really goes beyond my capacities. I am addressing here non US amateurs in particular. I guess there are those on this reflector? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: John, Who is Andy, K3UK? Andy is the list owner. And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time. And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. Now you seem to be a spokesperson for Jose on ROS so why no answer? John, W0JAB http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC
Lets beat the dead horse some more...Seriously though...Jose can put me on the list I don't care. I don't like his attitude and action. He could give a rip about hams. He is just wanting someone to play with his software and work the bugs out. BTW, did I mention that it is illegal to use below 220 Mhz here in the US so its a mute subject. I think all of us should just ignore ROS and Jose and choose some other mode (there are numerous)..and quit taking up bandwidth beating a dead horse...1 of 3000 73, Alan
RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
Dave, I have no answer here for what you are saying. It is clear, I don't see it that way I tried to get info from the ARRL not directly related to the ROS matter. Do not want to discuss that here further. I am happy to address it off the reflector, you could well be able to help me with the info I am looking for. John is familiar with the legality issue by now, I think. Yes indeed IARU is for sure one of those organizations. There are others though closer to Jose http://www.iaru.org/ http://www.iaru.org/iaru-soc.html http://www.ure.es/ Amateur Radio newsletters in US and abroad. I brought up the DSTAR case, ( we are not into that, no reaction here ) and got an invitation to from the list moderator to join their Yahoo listthis morning. Why don't you just do that and let us alone in rest and peace ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Hi Dave, Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world wide is increasing rapidly. We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc. If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want to research that. But then I can't force people. Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. Is that unreal? I don't know what you mean by unreal, but it's certainly a waste of time as far as you, W0JAB, or I am concerned. US operators can't use ROS on HF whether they're on the list or not. I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting. Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country? Given that it represents the interests of US operators, you'll have a difficult time convincing the ARRL to do anything about a mode that US operators can't use on HF anyway. The IARU would be the more appropriate organization with which to raise this issue. Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place to discuss issues related to digital modes? Yes it is. A digital mode with a list of banned calls? Certainly, though of course Andy K3UK has the last word on this. 73, Dave, AA6YQ http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC
What about beating dead horses here?? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Alan ke4...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC Lets beat the dead horse some more...Seriously though...Jose can put me on the list I don't care. I don't like his attitude and action. He could give a rip about hams. He is just wanting someone to play with his software and work the bugs out. BTW, did I mention that it is illegal to use below 220 Mhz here in the US so its a mute subject. I think all of us should just ignore ROS and Jose and choose some other mode (there are numerous)..and quit taking up bandwidth beating a dead horse...1 of 3000 73, Alan http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC
I had been successfully ignoring ROS for a few months having been banned right from the start but I admit that ignoring it has largely been achieved by staying off the digital sub bands altogether because it made me so angry every time I listened for Olivia and heard this rogue mode on the air. The only way different digital modes have been able to coexist without regulation has been because in the past both the developers and the users of new modes have been sensitive to and respectful of the rights and wishes of users of old ones. This simply doesn't work if someone decides not to play by the rules, and it isn't helped by what I suppose are mostly the current generation of new hams who, with the arrogance of youth consider those who voice objections to be no more than a bunch of old farts who can be ignored and vilified. The existence of ROS has spoiled digital operation for me and the only digital modes you will find me on now are PSK and APRS, both of which have mercifully escaped encroachment by this wretched invention. Julian, G4ILO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan ke4...@... wrote: Lets beat the dead horse some more...Seriously though...Jose can put me on the list I don't care. I don't like his attitude and action. He could give a rip about hams. He is just wanting someone to play with his software and work the bugs out. BTW, did I mention that it is illegal to use below 220 Mhz here in the US so its a mute subject. I think all of us should just ignore ROS and Jose and choose some other mode (there are numerous)..and quit taking up bandwidth beating a dead horse...1 of 3000 73, Alan
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein...@... wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
So, did you actually transmit using another op's call sign? Or, did you just plug them in and say that it works? As I recall, the non-grata ops could enter their calls during setup but it would not transmit. So, unless G4ILO, K5OKC, N1SZ or I (or other banned ops) actually decide to try to transmit, it doesn't mean a thing. Dave K3DCW On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:06 PM, pd4u_dares p...@hotmail.com wrote: I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein...@... wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
Hallo NArc, Stond je ooit op de z.g. banned lijst? Ben je daar zeker van? Ik ben steeds van mening geweest dat er de laaste maanden geen lijst was. Nu echter willen mensen het zelfs niet proberen. Wel te begrijpen natturlijk 73 Rein W6SZ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, pd4u_dares p...@... wrote: I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradiopro@ wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein0zn@ wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
Dave. I tried that , transmitting into dummy load yesterday with John's call and I told John that it did work on my computer. John then replied that he thought once the computer had been on the banned list it was useless for ever for running ROS ( some in the registry perhaps ) We then talked about testing his xyl's computer computer. We all know now what happened there. As I thought and expressed here a few times, even Jose would understand it to be insane to have programs distributed with built-in banned lists. My procedure is as follows. Rename old ROS directory make new directory ROS. download new version ( almost daily operation but that is OK past download in ROS directory extract program zipped file use Install Script create new short cut paste new shortcut click shortcut make sure waterfall is turned on for new installations check audio level settings of selected sound cards. Like to see some noise on waterfall. make sure program gets audio from receiver, WEBSDR or other audio source. no configuration ( no Call for cluster problem ) Has always worked here without a any problem. Program locates always the correct sound card 73 Rein W6SZ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: So, did you actually transmit using another op's call sign? Or, did you just plug them in and say that it works? As I recall, the non-grata ops could enter their calls during setup but it would not transmit. So, unless G4ILO, K5OKC, N1SZ or I (or other banned ops) actually decide to try to transmit, it doesn't mean a thing. Dave K3DCW On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:06 PM, pd4u_dares p...@... wrote: I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradiopro@ wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein0zn@ wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
even Jose would understand it to be insane to have programs distributed with built-in banned lists. Well, maybe he removed it, but it was definitely there at one timeso maybe it was temporary insanity? Dave K3DCW On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Rein A rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Dave. I tried that , transmitting into dummy load yesterday with John's call and I told John that it did work on my computer. John then replied that he thought once the computer had been on the banned list it was useless for ever for running ROS ( some in the registry perhaps ) We then talked about testing his xyl's computer computer. We all know now what happened there. As I thought and expressed here a few times, even Jose would understand it to be insane to have programs distributed with built-in banned lists. My procedure is as follows. Rename old ROS directory make new directory ROS. download new version ( almost daily operation but that is OK past download in ROS directory extract program zipped file use Install Script create new short cut paste new shortcut click shortcut make sure waterfall is turned on for new installations check audio level settings of selected sound cards. Like to see some noise on waterfall. make sure program gets audio from receiver, WEBSDR or other audio source. no configuration ( no Call for cluster problem ) Has always worked here without a any problem. Program locates always the correct sound card 73 Rein W6SZ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: So, did you actually transmit using another op's call sign? Or, did you just plug them in and say that it works? As I recall, the non-grata ops could enter their calls during setup but it would not transmit. So, unless G4ILO, K5OKC, N1SZ or I (or other banned ops) actually decide to try to transmit, it doesn't mean a thing. Dave K3DCW On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:06 PM, pd4u_dares p...@... wrote: I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.comdigitalradio% 40yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradiopro@ wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein0zn@ wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
I entered the call(s) in the config. Unplugged my interface and listened to the output of my souncard while I pushed the CQ button in ROS. The text CQ CQ de N1SZ N1SZ pse k appeared in the TX window and when I pushed PTT... it worked... Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: So, did you actually transmit using another op's call sign? Or, did you just plug them in and say that it works? As I recall, the non-grata ops could enter their calls during setup but it would not transmit. So, unless G4ILO, K5OKC, N1SZ or I (or other banned ops) actually decide to try to transmit, it doesn't mean a thing. Dave K3DCW On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:06 PM, pd4u_dares p...@... wrote: I tried the new ROS version 4.6.0. and K5OKC,N1SZ and G4ILO worked. So the hard coded banned call list no longer exists. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradiopro@ wrote: The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN, GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation. *Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile the list. I'm not sure anyone has tried recently. Dave On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rein0zn@ wrote: I want to know about the list. If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to stop using ROS until the list is removed. -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net Real radio bounces off of the sky
[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wright hfradio...@... wrote: even Jose would understand it to be insane to have programs distributed with built-in banned lists. Well, maybe he removed it, but it was definitely there at one timeso maybe it was temporary insanity? If you have Latin blood this is called temperament ;-)
