Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com Nobody told me, that's the problem, i have been asking a lot about that, and nobody seems to be interested, nor knows anything. So that's why I'm wondering why. I think that is the future, there will be less and less fat client apps, and more and more browser based apps. The main reason is interoperabilty and platform independence. With ann HTML5 Office suite, you just need a browser, and you can even install it locally. Now LO develops several versionsfor different platforms, which cost more resources. Nobody wants to start building a HUGE NEW PROJECT like it would mean to start a HTML5 before we get a consistent, fairly bug free client to work on ... Remember LiO is only in RC stage right now Now for installing the Writer / Calc / Draw / Impress separate, it is not how the Ooo works, the program starts, and THEN it goes on to see what files it is opening, so it actually is ONE BIG program that after start-up modularizes itself, that's one of the reasons it is faster than the competition. Rogerio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On 6 January 2011 06:30, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Shouldn't we file these wish list items somewhere and if so where? On 1/6/11 10:00 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 6 January 2011 06:30, Jaime R. Garzagar...@gmail.com wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Jan 5, 2011, at 20:02 , BRM wrote: I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as a runner up. I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform. But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. I think Ben's last comment is a good idea: put this in the hands of another project. At first I would expect the project to be in the nature of a feasibility study. And I'd like to suggest a slightly wider scope. On Linux the choice is between T-bird/Lightning and Evolution, and personally I've always sooner or later run into problems with Evolution. On Windows there is whatever Microsoft now call Outlook Express. They have an abysmal address book, but no calendar functionality included in the OS as far as I remember, and I don't think OE and Address Book work together, so here, too, there is room for T-bird/Lightning. For my own part, I'm a recent convert to the Mac, after years of being a Linux user and unwilling Windows supporter for my relatives. On the Mac I'm impressed at the way things just _work_ together, and I don't willingly add a third party app if there is a free Apple equivalent which fills my needs. In this respect there is Mail, iCal and Address Book, all of which interact well, and interact with everything else on the Mac. So if TDF is going to get into looking at interacting with mail, calendar and contact functionality, I for one would like it to include the Apple apps in its study. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
When i first mentioned it its the only one i could think of as its what im using to write my response to this email. I am in no way suggesting limiting thing to just thunderbird. the more options the better as it allows users to have choices on what to work with. On 1/6/11 2:47 PM, BRM wrote: Again, why just Thunderbird? Why not work with Mozilla (Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Lightening/Sunbird, Firefox), Opera, GNOME (Evolution, etc), KDE (KMail, KPIM, etc.) to develop interfaces that can be used to integrate any of the various email and calendaring tools out there? Especially the open source ones. There is no reason to limit people to just Thunderbird. Ben - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 2:04:18 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc I agree with you totally here Jaime. On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.bewrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I 2nd your Mac comments. What i find impressive is how they work really well for those that like 3rd party apps like myself Thunderbird interfaces really nicely with the other mac apps that were mentioned below. On 1/6/11 11:47 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 20:02 , BRM wrote: I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as a runner up. I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform. But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. I think Ben's last comment is a good idea: put this in the hands of another project. At first I would expect the project to be in the nature of a feasibility study. And I'd like to suggest a slightly wider scope. On Linux the choice is between T-bird/Lightning and Evolution, and personally I've always sooner or later run into problems with Evolution. On Windows there is whatever Microsoft now call Outlook Express. They have an abysmal address book, but no calendar functionality included in the OS as far as I remember, and I don't think OE and Address Book work together, so here, too, there is room for T-bird/Lightning. For my own part, I'm a recent convert to the Mac, after years of being a Linux user and unwilling Windows supporter for my relatives. On the Mac I'm impressed at the way things just _work_ together, and I don't willingly add a third party app if there is a free Apple equivalent which fills my needs. In this respect there is Mail, iCal and Address Book, all of which interact well, and interact with everything else on the Mac. So if TDF is going to get into looking at interacting with mail, calendar and contact functionality, I for one would like it to include the Apple apps in its study. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Thu Jan 06 2011 02:28:26 GMT-0800 (PST) Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Shouldn't we file these wish list items somewhere and if so where? You can always create an account on the wiki and create a list. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page there is an area called Crazy Ideas within the Development section of the page that should work just fine for such ideas. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
i think it would be great to have a HTML5 LO, which will only need a browser. The could be installed locallz or on a server. There would only be need for one version that supports the 4 major browsers. At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5 application. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:00, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Hi Jaime, At 17:52 6/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote: i think it would be great to have a HTML5 LO, which will only need a browser. The could be installed locallz or on a server. There would only be need for one version that supports the 4 major browsers. Are you aware of WebODF http://www.webodf.org/? It was presented at the ODF Plugfest in Brussels in October last year. See http://lwn.net/Articles/409957/ (browse down to ODF on the web.) (I know it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict instead of HTML5.) Best regards, Christophe At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5 application. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:00, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Well for a reader is not such a big deal if it's HTML5 or nor, but if there were a Office Suite, like Microsoft Docs Google Docs, that should be in HTML5! But apparently no one has started such a thing and no one seems to be interested. IBM is working on one and Oracle is already offering one, at least both are ODF based! I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 18:15, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: Hi Jaime, Are you aware of WebODF http://www.webodf.org/? It was presented at the ODF Plugfest in Brussels in October last year. See http://lwn.net/Articles/409957/ (browse down to ODF on the web.) (I know it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict instead of HTML5.) Best regards, Christophe At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5 application. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:00, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com: I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. Who told you that? An html5 app based on LibO does not exists yet, that's clear, but that does not mean it will never be one. LibO is a FOSS project, the only thing needed is someone with the knowledge to start such a project (not an easy task, for sure...). Surely there will be hands interested on helping if someone is able to put the first bits together. BUT: LibO is still defining its roadmap. I think it is not a good idea to start building over something that will change in the near future. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Nobody told me, that's the problem, i have been asking a lot about that, and nobody seems to be interested, nor knows anything. So that's why I'm wondering why. I think that is the future, there will be less and less fat client apps, and more and more browser based apps. The main reason is interoperabilty and platform independence. With ann HTML5 Office suite, you just need a browser, and you can even install it locally. Now LO develops several versionsfor different platforms, which cost more resources. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 18:46, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com: I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. Who told you that? An html5 app based on LibO does not exists yet, that's clear, but that does not mean it will never be one. LibO is a FOSS project, the only thing needed is someone with the knowledge to start such a project (not an easy task, for sure...). Surely there will be hands interested on helping if someone is able to put the first bits together. BUT: LibO is still defining its roadmap. I think it is not a good idea to start building over something that will change in the near future. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client On 1/5/11 3:22 PM, Christophe Strobbe wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
What about bundling it with the downloadable installer? On 1/5/11 5:32 PM, drew wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew Rather than having other groups providing bundles, what about an alliance of a few groups that provide a single, comprehensive installer? For instance perhaps LibreOffice, Mozzila, Gimp, and Inkscape come together and release one installer with all those apps bundled in. It would be any single group or member responsible, instead an agreement between the groups to release it. Then on the respective websites they could release their own app, as well as the bundle for those who want it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making a bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package management GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically in the search put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to appear in front and then just click and install that way. Would love to hear some feed back from some of the big time devs on this project about doing this. On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote: I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly well within it... Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the installer the option be provided to download and install one. For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users could expand to show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then download the _latest_ Thunderbird release, and start its installer. That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the time the installer runs; but would save on the download space for everyone. It would also enable the installer to select the right locale installer for Thunderbird too (if necessary). The same could be done for Firefox/Opera/etc. Additionally, this approach would allow the installer to present several choices - e.g. Firefox vs. Opera; Thunderbird vs. Evolution. Now, taking that line of thinking - a separate project[1] to enable users to get OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer would probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that would enable them to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that was desired, and it could be provided as part of the installer package. $0.02 Ben [1] I wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be another TDF project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best organization to handle it.) - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc Funny you mention it i just replied with a similar response about bundling said software as part of the downloadable installer. On 1/5/11 5:39 PM, Todd rme wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew Rather than having other groups providing bundles, what about an alliance of a few groups that provide a single, comprehensive installer? For instance perhaps LibreOffice, Mozzila, Gimp, and Inkscape come together and release one installer with all those apps bundled in. It would be any single group or member responsible, instead an agreement between the groups to release it. Then on the respective websites they could release their own app, as well as the bundle for those who want it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as a runner up. I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform. But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. Ben - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making a bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package management GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically in the search put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to appear in front and then just click and install that way. Would love to hear some feed back from some of the big time devs on this project about doing this. On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote: I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly well within it... Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the installer the option be provided to download and install one. For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users could expand to show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then download the _latest_ Thunderbird release, and start its installer. That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the time the installer runs; but would save on the download space for everyone. It would also enable the installer to select the right locale installer for Thunderbird too (if necessary). The same could be done for Firefox/Opera/etc. Additionally, this approach would allow the installer to present several choices - e.g. Firefox vs. Opera; Thunderbird vs. Evolution. Now, taking that line of thinking - a separate project[1] to enable users to get OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer would probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that would enable them to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that was desired, and it could be provided as part of the installer package. $0.02 Ben [1] I wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be another TDF project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best organization to handle it.) - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc Funny you mention it i just replied with a similar response about bundling said software as part of the downloadable installer. On 1/5/11 5:39 PM, Todd rme wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew Rather than having other groups providing bundles, what about an alliance of a few groups that provide a single, comprehensive installer? For instance perhaps LibreOffice, Mozzila, Gimp, and Inkscape come together and release one installer with all those apps bundled in. It would be any single group or member responsible, instead an agreement between the groups to release it. Then on the respective websites they could release their own app, as well as the bundle
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I would be interested in heading something like this up as I am a mac user as well as win and lin On 1/5/11 8:02 PM, BRM wrote: I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as a runner up. I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform. But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. Ben - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making a bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package management GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically in the search put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to appear in front and then just click and install that way. Would love to hear some feed back from some of the big time devs on this project about doing this. On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote: I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly well within it... Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the installer the option be provided to download and install one. For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users could expand to show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then download the _latest_ Thunderbird release, and start its installer. That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the time the installer runs; but would save on the download space for everyone. It would also enable the installer to select the right locale installer for Thunderbird too (if necessary). The same could be done for Firefox/Opera/etc. Additionally, this approach would allow the installer to present several choices - e.g. Firefox vs. Opera; Thunderbird vs. Evolution. Now, taking that line of thinking - a separate project[1] to enable users to get OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer would probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that would enable them to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that was desired, and it could be provided as part of the installer package. $0.02 Ben [1] I wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be another TDF project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best organization to handle it.) - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc Funny you mention it i just replied with a similar response about bundling said software as part of the downloadable installer. On 1/5/11 5:39 PM, Todd rme wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that package.) Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could be recreated in English. For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as auxiliary projects. Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up. Thanks Drew Rather than having other groups providing bundles, what about an alliance of a few groups that provide a single, comprehensive installer? For instance perhaps LibreOffice, Mozzila, Gimp, and Inkscape come together and release one installer with all those apps bundled in. It would be any single group or member responsible, instead an agreement between the groups to release it. Then on the respective websites they could release their own app, as well as the bundle for those who
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I agree with you totally here Jaime. On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)
On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives? Evolution, Thunderbird for open source and Gmail on the web. Web based mail is now mature and much easier to manage for anyone that moves about. Gmail on an Android phone seems to me a far better solution than being tied to the desktop. Effort going into new apps like a mail client (even modifying and maintaining existing code) would be much better placed in getting a mobile version of LO for smarphones or a web version. If not the whole project could eventually become irrelevant. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Cia Watson ciama...@my180.net wrote: On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:06 - Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? Ways to resolve this include: - Open (and easy to find) statistics on the numbers of current developers on LibO and their background. - More clear input from Google, etc., towards easy integration with Google Docs (in the way that the MSO integration with the web-based version of MSO will become something users expect). - Joint-branding with Thunderbird, Scribus, etc. There have been many posts on the OOo lists over the years asking do you do a calendar? or Do you have a Publisher replacement. No, we don't - but clearly promoting other open source projects and working with them to make life easy for people coming away from MSO helps all people. Since this looks a little like a wish-list, I thought I'd add mine. (Or am I engaging in wishful thinking? :-) ) I think it would be nice to be able to open AbiWord documents (.abw) that render properly. LibO (and OO) Writer will open the file, but there's a lot of coding visible, I'm guessing it's xml code. I can open odt files just fine in AbiWord (as well as doc and docx files) and they render properly; but the reverse isn't true. Therefore, since I have some documents already in abw format, I generally stick with AbiWord for my few word-processing needs. Happy New Year to all! Cia W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Please don't top-post in an inline thread... On 2011-01-01 2:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? I think that's what Lee meant by '(and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture)'... I agree, choice is best, but there is also no reasonably mature cross-platform alternative to Thunderbird+Lightning, so making it the first fully supported mail client would be a great way to kick off a new 'Mail/Contacts Connector' plugin for LibO... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On 2011-01-01 9:54 PM, todd rme wrote: Isn't this what freedesktop.org standards are for? A standard for spell checking libraries (I mean the library of words, not the software library) shared across all open-source programs would be very useful. Such a thing has already been proposed: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-language-checking-spec So rather than trying to get other groups to write wrappers to integrate with libo's own spelling dictionary, I think it would be much better if there was a single, standard dictionary format that all open-source programs shared. Any program that implements the standard will automatically get support for the same dictionaries. This avoids each program needing to write compatibility layers for every other program. So I think putting some effort into getting this standard ironed out would be very beneficial to a lot of projects. +10 -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Please don't top-post in an in-lined thread. Thanks. On 2011-01-02 1:18 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. Only if you fail to discover the excellent if-not-still-a-little-lacking-in-functionality Lightning extension... Personally, I couldn't use Thunderbird (or Firefox) in its default naked state. I currently have 35+ extensions in TBird, and 51 for Firefox. And now there are 4 or 5 that I must have in LibO... Extensibility is one of the hallmarks of FLOSS, and one of the main reasons I love it... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). On a related subject, I am using an older version of Tbird because I hate the new versions. each time they have improved it lately they have actually made it worse as far as basic usability. The problem I have with the newer versions is that they make it far to difficult to enlarge the text for readability. WHY can't developers put more of a priority on really basic things like that? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Ian Lynch wrote: On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives? Evolution, Thunderbird for open source and Gmail on the web. Web based mail is now mature and much easier to manage for anyone that moves about. Gmail on an Android phone seems to me a far better solution than being tied to the desktop. Effort going into new apps like a mail client (even modifying and maintaining existing code) would be much better placed in getting a mobile version of LO for smarphones or a web version. If not the whole project could eventually become irrelevant. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. It seems to me that the only people who are concerned with having an equivalent of Outlook in their office suite are businesses, and businesses as a rule DO NOT have slow bandwidth connections, because they simply could not function with them. If you are concerned with download size as far as software packages aimed at businesses is concerned, then you are simply aiming at the WRONG audience. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)
You mention other projects why not package other projects as options for instance during install. User is presented with a list of options for instance thunderbird for email etc? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.comwrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? I wouldn't put in that simple words. Actually, LibreOffice is open to any developer, individual or company that whishes to contribute to our code and endeavour. On the TDF announcement we invited Oracle to join us and suggested them to offer the brand OpenOffice to TDF (later this was politely declined by Oracle). I think this is an important issue, and one which can be open to massive amount of FUD. I'm sure TDF is thankful to Novell for their input, but the wariness that exists to anyone who is working with Microsoft for any reason cannot be ignored. Ways to resolve this include: - Open (and easy to find) statistics on the numbers of current developers on LibO and their background. - More clear input from Google, etc., towards easy integration with Google Docs (in the way that the MSO integration with the web-based version of MSO will become something users expect). - Joint-branding with Thunderbird, Scribus, etc. There have been many posts on the OOo lists over the years asking do you do a calendar? or Do you have a Publisher replacement. No, we don't - but clearly promoting other open source projects and working with them to make life easy for people coming away from MSO helps all people. This would include LibO pointing to downloads for Mozilla packages and vice-versa. If Mozilla wanted to point to both LibO and OOo as the projects grow apart, that's fine - we are all part of a larger OS fraternity. - Working on a common look-and-feel in a number of OS apps. Could a Mozilla 'skin' that can be applied to LibO, OOo, Scribus, etc., be viable? Or a 'Traditional OO' skin that can be used across packages be there for people who don't like to change UI much? What do you think? zf -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:06 - Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? Ways to resolve this include: - Open (and easy to find) statistics on the numbers of current developers on LibO and their background. - More clear input from Google, etc., towards easy integration with Google Docs (in the way that the MSO integration with the web-based version of MSO will become something users expect). - Joint-branding with Thunderbird, Scribus, etc. There have been many posts on the OOo lists over the years asking do you do a calendar? or Do you have a Publisher replacement. No, we don't - but clearly promoting other open source projects and working with them to make life easy for people coming away from MSO helps all people. Since this looks a little like a wish-list, I thought I'd add mine. (Or am I engaging in wishful thinking? :-) ) I think it would be nice to be able to open AbiWord documents (.abw) that render properly. LibO (and OO) Writer will open the file, but there's a lot of coding visible, I'm guessing it's xml code. I can open odt files just fine in AbiWord (as well as doc and docx files) and they render properly; but the reverse isn't true. Therefore, since I have some documents already in abw format, I generally stick with AbiWord for my few word-processing needs. Happy New Year to all! Cia W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)
Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Cia Watson ciama...@my180.net wrote: On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:06 - Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? Ways to resolve this include: - Open (and easy to find) statistics on the numbers of current developers on LibO and their background. - More clear input from Google, etc., towards easy integration with Google Docs (in the way that the MSO integration with the web-based version of MSO will become something users expect). - Joint-branding with Thunderbird, Scribus, etc. There have been many posts on the OOo lists over the years asking do you do a calendar? or Do you have a Publisher replacement. No, we don't - but clearly promoting other open source projects and working with them to make life easy for people coming away from MSO helps all people. Since this looks a little like a wish-list, I thought I'd add mine. (Or am I engaging in wishful thinking? :-) ) I think it would be nice to be able to open AbiWord documents (.abw) that render properly. LibO (and OO) Writer will open the file, but there's a lot of coding visible, I'm guessing it's xml code. I can open odt files just fine in AbiWord (as well as doc and docx files) and they render properly; but the reverse isn't true. Therefore, since I have some documents already in abw format, I generally stick with AbiWord for my few word-processing needs. Happy New Year to all! Cia W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.01.2011 19:43, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. The third-party software could be downloaded if it's required. If it's selected during installation it gets downloaded. This solves two issues, the download size of the installer doesn't increase and the software is up-to-date. BTW: A fork (or something completely new) would increase the download size, too. Regards, bastik 01 Jan 2011, 20:04 (+0100) - -- Impurities make things work and sometimes unique. Go Libre! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Download at http://www.gnupt.de iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNH3rNAAoJEJkCkhwrlE2u2Y4IAINIGT0rfMTr02gIzIzCzlI9 aogJNR9XVhAxT4AGnzRc/MSCRdAKoaK+Ybp4EGCOILameHU+pQHjJgqytgpGeJuH pMF6+Bvk3nuR23M/2V80UPj7Y2o3dkPoTeLyIUCqbdfJ/egl+LnSMlQfGItuXxKg ear4PIUesqLETX1WhKgw2v39UmnKh3A8Z0B6YawG1RlkeNRO0lcJaEhHl4637Gyk 3TTNlehjTw0j5f1t1Txbf5r5YOFzyFjAWIoIRdJ8Nc9oftF3DcHbw6VH2bvViGR8 JY8EFz/bvV27puo3gsJYFXk3PYHDkHQeYlJd3FmtBSLi1dgS0I8wSDi7eBRDh/0= =1L/K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I remember my days of working for an outfit that used Outlook and MS products. I looked into Outlook for myself. I was not amused. Years later I turned to Linux, and the particular distribution I chose installed Evolution by default. I looked into it. I was not amused. So I tried uninstalling it. Come to find out it had it's hooks into so much of the distribution that the distribution would have collapsed if I had uninstalled it. So I disabled it, instead. I used Thunderbird. And, shortly after, learned that there was a plug-in called Lightning that took care of the problem of a calendar. Hence Evolution (better named devolution) was unnecessary. Not only that, but the calendar in Thunderbird (Lightning) could be hooked up to the Google calendar, making it share-able (as an editor for the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter that was a bonus, since the events ended up being logged on that calendar, and I could transfer them to the newsletter without too much difficulty). So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty Craig Tyche On 01/01/2011 11:43 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Cia Watson ciama...@my180.net wrote: On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:06 - Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? Ways to resolve this include: - Open (and easy to find) statistics on the numbers of current developers on LibO and their background. - More clear input from Google, etc., towards easy integration with Google Docs (in the way that the MSO integration with the web-based version of MSO will become something users expect). - Joint-branding with Thunderbird, Scribus, etc. There have been many posts on the OOo lists over the years asking do you do a calendar? or Do you have a Publisher replacement. No, we don't - but clearly promoting other open source projects and working with them to make life easy for people coming away from MSO helps all people. Since this looks a little like a wish-list, I thought I'd add mine. (Or am I engaging in wishful thinking? :-) ) I think it would be nice to be able to open AbiWord documents (.abw) that render properly. LibO (and OO) Writer will open the file, but there's a lot of coding visible, I'm guessing it's xml code. I can open odt files just fine in AbiWord (as well as doc and docx files) and they render properly; but the reverse isn't true. Therefore, since I have some documents already in abw format, I generally stick with AbiWord for my few word-processing needs. Happy New Year to all! Cia W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). -- The division of mankind threatens it with destruction. Only universal cooperation under conditions of intellectual freedom and the lofty moral ideals of socialism and labor, accompanied by the elimination of dogmatism and pressure of the concealed interests of ruling classes, will preserve civilization. -- Andrei Sakharov, The New York Times (July 22nd, 1968) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). -- The division of mankind threatens it with destruction. Only universal cooperation under conditions of intellectual freedom and the lofty moral ideals of socialism and labor, accompanied by the elimination of dogmatism and pressure of the concealed interests of ruling classes, will preserve civilization. -- Andrei Sakharov, The New York Times (July 22nd, 1968) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
VERY GOOD! No, I didn't really mean to restrict it to Thunderbird. It's just what I'm most familiar with. Certainly, if there are other email readers that have capabilities that can be linked into LO those links should be explored. Craig Tyche On 01/01/2011 12:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). -- The division of mankind threatens it with destruction. Only universal cooperation under conditions of intellectual freedom and the lofty moral ideals of socialism and labor, accompanied by the elimination of dogmatism and pressure of the concealed interests of ruling classes, will preserve civilization. -- Andrei Sakharov, The New York Times (July 22nd, 1968) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
My point is that if they are stand alone,they should still be able to share seamlessly the resources, like the dictionary, spell check, even PDF export, I'm not sure if Thunderbird uses one. But the important thing is to give the feeling that they work integrated. Not only to the E-Mail client, but to the Calendar and contacts. Thinking more into the Social, to be able to share documents made from LO directly after making them from the same application, having a button called SHARE, which will let the users select from the contacts and then automatically send the share invitation to the E-Mail of the selected contact. In general to give the effect that Google Docs and GMail give, that they work together! And that brings me again to the point of the Cloud Office Suite, if the DocumentFoundation is not thinking on developing a HTML5 based LibreOffice, at least there should be a tied integration with something like ULTEO (www.ulteo.com) that allows office directly into the browser without any installation necessary. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 21:08, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/11 19:42, Jaime R. Garza wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main bone of contention with regards to integrating a third-party e-mail client the flow of data *from* the client, *to* the office suite. If that is the case, surely there is a *need* develop an add-on for each e-mail client. I can't imagine there being a need to share resources with an e-mail client (certainly Thunderbird) as they (as stand-alone products) strive to be feature complete. That being said don't both Thunderbird and LibO use hunspell? If so, would it not already be a simple matter to share dictionaries? For example a system-wide hunspell dictionary. For the record I'm not in favour of LibO wasting resources on developing their own PIM or e-mail client. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and LibO should work on integration with them (I assume such would represent a lot less work compared with a brand new or forked PIM). Regards, Lee Hyde. -- We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that she will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations. Such is the logic of patriotism. -- Emma Goldman, What is Patriotism? (1908) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? Isn't this what freedesktop.org standards are for? A standard for spell checking libraries (I mean the library of words, not the software library) shared across all open-source programs would be very useful. Such a thing has already been proposed: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-language-checking-spec So rather than trying to get other groups to write wrappers to integrate with libo's own spelling dictionary, I think it would be much better if there was a single, standard dictionary format that all open-source programs shared. Any program that implements the standard will automatically get support for the same dictionaries. This avoids each program needing to write compatibility layers for every other program. So I think putting some effort into getting this standard ironed out would be very beneficial to a lot of projects. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Jaime i only said Thunderbird cuz that's the client i use. there are tons of others. Todd i totally agree a standard needs to be reached. like there is the ODF format a standardized dictionary format would be a great idea. On 1/2/11 3:54 AM, todd rme wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jaime R. Garzagar...@gmail.com wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? Isn't this what freedesktop.org standards are for? A standard for spell checking libraries (I mean the library of words, not the software library) shared across all open-source programs would be very useful. Such a thing has already been proposed: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-language-checking-spec So rather than trying to get other groups to write wrappers to integrate with libo's own spelling dictionary, I think it would be much better if there was a single, standard dictionary format that all open-source programs shared. Any program that implements the standard will automatically get support for the same dictionaries. This avoids each program needing to write compatibility layers for every other program. So I think putting some effort into getting this standard ironed out would be very beneficial to a lot of projects. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
