[slim] Black Magic Firmware: firmware 37

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

mherger Wrote: 
 Jag befinner mig tjänsteresa och är åter den 18 april.
 
 I know that much swedish: he's left for an easter holiday :-)
It's a long holiday ... he'll be gone from now until the 18th.


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[slim] Re: Two for $100 off still valid?

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

The fact that they didn't update it for April is an April Fools Joke.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=99220#post99220


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Re: [slim] Reset Server Remotely

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Herger

I'm using a windows based system that is networked to other windows
systems. Is there a way to use a command line script to reset the
slimserver from a client PC?


shutdown.exe is part of Windows XP - similar tools can be found on the net  
for older versions.


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Re: [slim] Black Magic Firmware: firmware 37

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Herger

I know that much swedish: he's left for an easter holiday :-)

It's a long holiday ... he'll be gone from now until the 18th.


Sweden is well known for its public spirited live.

I'm leaving for the second week of holidays within a month. Not bad  
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[slim] Black Magic Firmware: firmware 37

2006-04-08 Thread mattybain

Michaelwagner Wrote: 
 It's a long holiday ... he'll be gone from now until the 18th.

Yep Swedes are incredibly lucky, at my place of work they get 35-40
days of holiday and 12 public holidays. All in all they can wangle
about 9-10 weeks of holiday a year. Not bad, still they make up for it
with all the tax they pay.


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Re: [slim] Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Nalle Johansson





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He's a proud SB user, has subscribed to these lists. And left the building 
for an easter holiday with his mail being answered automatically.
Yes... I have 12 Slimdevices (2 wireless)

Don't use out of office mails.
These mails should only be used to mail from my internal domain... ;o)



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Re: [slim] Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Nalle Johansson





Slim Devices Discussion discuss@lists.slimdevices.com writes:
better yet, don't use corporate accounts for personal stuff. 
Especially if they make you use out of office mails. Plus, you never 
know how they'll react after dozens of people email the company 
postmaster not-so-politely describing their level of annoyance at the 
out of office mails.
-k
Im the postmaster... ;o)

Michaelwagner Wrote: 
 It's a long holiday ... he'll be gone from now until the 18th.
Yep Swedes are incredibly lucky, at my place of work they get 35-40
days of holiday and 12 public holidays. All in all they can wangle
about 9-10 weeks of holiday a year. Not bad, still they make up for it
with all the tax they pay.

In sweden the normal holidays are 5 weeks but you will get more as older you are.
All red days (public holidays) are free but as you write... The normal tax in sweden 
are 33% up to over 50%.

Someone wrote:
[slim] Who is Nalle Johansson?
The best answer is - not CEO of Elmer but a swedish 33y old man with several works...
2:nd Lt officer, Politician, IT-manager. Pictures at http://nalle.gfs.se

If anyone whant to know more... send me a private letter

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[slim] Copying of favourites

2006-04-08 Thread jed

Hi All

I wonder if someone has the answer to my problem. I've done a search
but not found anything similar

I have two squeezeboxes at home that are brilliant and I have got a
long list of internet radio favourites. Receintly I bought one for when
I'm at work and I want to copy these favourites to the work pc running
slimserver.

I have copied and pasted the section in the slimserver.perf file but
the work pc still only has the favourites that were set up on that
system. Can anyone help?

Regards
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[slim] Re: Network Activity

2006-04-08 Thread Triode

Its a tcp connection.  The way tcp works, you need to send data (or
keepalives) to know the connection is still running.  As the client is
responsible for connecting to the server, the client needs a way to
know it is still connected and if not attempt to reconnect - hence the
keepalives.


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[slim] Running MusicIP as a service on WinXP

2006-04-08 Thread Simon Still
I've posted on the MusicIP forum as well but figure i might get a quicker answer here - i want to run music ip as a service with slimserver and cant find any instructions on how to do so. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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[slim] Wireless / DHCP problem

2006-04-08 Thread cmaskelyne

I purchased a Squeezebox 3 just before Christmas and have been very
happy with it until this week. 

As some background I also have a squeezebox that is connected to the my
slimserver via an Ethernet connection.

The problem I have is that my Squeezebox 3 which is using the wireless
connection cannot connect to the Slimserver.

My wireless is working fine as I have two laptops connecting without
issues. The settings for the wireless are all fine as the Squeezebox 3
appears to connect without problems.

The slim server appears to be working OK as my other Squeezebox
connects fine and works via Ethernet (as does the Squeezebox 3 when I
connect it this way).

This leads me to the conclusion that there is some kind of issue with
the wireless connection using slimserver.

It will go through and appears to connect however if I leave the IP
address to get one automatically from my DHCP server it will not get an
address in the right range. My two laptops are not having this problem.
I can do a release / renew without a problem. I should point out that
my DHCP server is on a W2003 Server which runs slimserver so the
Squeezebox 3 could connect to the wireless without necessarily getting
an IP address. Which I think is the problem. However it does get a
correct IP address if connected via Ethernet (so I don't thing the DHCP
service is a problem).

The mystery deeps when I fix a static IP address in the range. The
Squeezebox 3 appears to see the slim server address as you go through
the settings but once it tries to connect it cycles through two things
– “connecting to slimserver” and “connecting to wireless network”
before it comes up with the usual message that it cannot connect to
slimserver.

I am total confused with this and the only thought I had was that a
recent update to the slimserver software may be causing some conflict
(I have automatic downloads and updates turned on) and am running
6.2.1.

I have reinstalled the slimserver and tried setting everything up from
scratch again but to no avail – have you any thoughts on this.

My guess at this stage is that whilst the wireless network connection
is appearing to connect it is not doing actually doing so. This would
lead me to the conclusion that this could be a hardware fault. Could
anyone either confirm this or suggest any other options that I may need
look at before going down this route.

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[slim] Re: Running MusicIP as a service on WinXP

2006-04-08 Thread Siduhe

You need a third party app, but it's only a few dollars (and well worth
it IMHO).

I followed the instructions in this thread without any probs:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14320highlight=basta


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[slim] Editing Playlists

2006-04-08 Thread jonheal

I have not used playlists up to now, so I'm a little ignorant as to
their functionality in SlimServer, but it appears that I cannot edit
(add to) a previously saved playlist using the web UI. Is this true?
Bummer, if so.

SlimServer Version: 6.2.2 - 6835 - Windows 2000 - EN - cp1252


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Re: [slim] Re: Running MusicIP as a service on WinXP

2006-04-08 Thread Simon Still
On 4/8/06, Siduhe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think things have moved on with the latest version of MMM/MusicIP.I found this page linked from the slim wiki on getting it running as a service on linux:
http://music.predixis.com/6_develop_http.htmlthat page doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere on the music iP site at the moment.Anyway, i've got it running now and it seems to work. I'm wondering about boot order as i don't seem to be able to change priorities in the windows services app.

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[slim] Re: Running MusicIP as a service on WinXP

2006-04-08 Thread Siduhe

Simon Still Wrote: 
 I'm wondering about boot order as i don't seem to be able to change
 priorities in the windows services app.

That's why I suggested you look at the thread.  Middle of the second
page.  I have only been able to get the priorities right by using
ApptoService, but others may be able to help you with getting it
working via the default Windows services panel.


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[slim] Re: Wireless / DHCP problem

2006-04-08 Thread egd

Sounds like it could be network configuration issues.  

What device is the SB3 connecting to wirelessly?  I presume you have a
wireless network card in your server?  Make sure that you have
configured the wireless network card to use a different subnet to that
used by your cabled ethernet ports.

Check slimerver's security config to make sure you haven't restricted
incoming IP's it will respond to.

Make sure your firewall is configured to pass through SB3 traffic
originating from the wireless subnet

Press the left button of the SB3 remote for 5 seconds, scroll down to
check current settings , and check firmware version in there.  v37 is
now available and solved my wireless authentication issues.  Also under
check current settings you will be able to saee your assigned IP for
the SB3 as well as whether or not it has negotiated the wireless
connection and signal strength.


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Re: [slim] Editing Playlists

2006-04-08 Thread Philip Meyer
I have not used playlists up to now, so I'm a little ignorant as to
their functionality in SlimServer, but it appears that I cannot edit
(add to) a previously saved playlist using the web UI. Is this true?

Load the playlist into the current playlist, then add new music to the current 
playlist and save the playlist again.

Phil
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[slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Kyle

Nalle Johansson Wrote: 
 
 
 If anyone whant to know more... send me a private letter
 

Does this mean no more public Nallings?  ;)


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Re: [slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Nalle Johansson





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Nalle Johansson Wrote: 
 
 
 If anyone whant to know more... send me a private letter
 

Does this mean no more public Nallings? ;)
Yes. The mailrules has been fixed...


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[slim] Re: Editing Playlists

2006-04-08 Thread jonheal

Philip Meyer Wrote: 
 I have not used playlists up to now, so I'm a little ignorant as to
 their functionality in SlimServer, but it appears that I cannot edit
 (add to) a previously saved playlist using the web UI. Is this true?
 
 Load the playlist into the current playlist, then add new music to the
 current playlist and save the playlist again.
 
 Phil
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[slim] Re: Network Activity

2006-04-08 Thread andyg

The best tool I've found for monitoring traffic on Linux is jnettop:
http://jnettop.kubs.info/


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[slim] Black Magic Firmware: firmware 37

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

When I was planning my sabbatical, I considered Sweden. I had a nice job
offer there, but one of my colleagues had been posted to Sweden for a
year and she told me she couldn't deal with the long winter nights. It
turns out, she had Seasonal Affect Disorder, so it effected her more
than most people, but still, it made me reconsider too. I wouldn't like
that either.

Maybe that's why they have more holidays. The day length change is
probably a stressor.

(so I ended up in Germany, about 10° north of where I had lived most of
my life, and the sun went down at 4:30 during the winter. Bad enough)


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[slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Skunk

Nalle Johansson Wrote: 
 
 If anyone whant to know more... send me a private letter
 Nalle Johansson
 IT-chef, GFS - Studenthälsan  Fysiken

What do most IT workers eat, chef?


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Re: [slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Nalle Johansson





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What do most IT workers eat, chef?
hehe ;o)
Its a common joke. 

Swedish word Chef=head, employer, manager, boss, cheif, commander, captain


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[slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread ezkcdude

This is a funny, if completely random, thread. At first, upon seeing the
title, I thought to myself, Is this how the Swedish translation of
Atlas Shrugged begins?


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[slim] The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread sebage

Does the 8 bar visualization on the SB3 accurately correlate to anything
in particular? Bar 1 seems to be an over all level of the playback. Are
the following 7 bars specific to a frequency band?

Or does is just look nice!


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[slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread Mike Anderson

How disappointing.  I thought this thread was going to be about where to
go to see scantily clad young women.


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[slim] How to set which player starts in web iface

2006-04-08 Thread Bonesteel

I have two players running off of one Slimserver.  When I open a new
browser window it defaults to my secondary player.  Is there an easy
way to set which player is the default one in the default web
interface?  I tried changing the first letter of the second player
thinking it was an alpha order, but no dice.

Am I missing an easy setting?

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[slim] Re: Cannot Open SlimServer Preferences

2006-04-08 Thread blah509

I have the same issue.

MacBook Pro (Intel)

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Re: [slim] How to set which player starts in web iface

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Herger

Is there an easy
way to set which player is the default one in the default web
interface?


Set a bookmark to the player you want:

http://yourslimserver:9000/index.html?player=00:04:20:01:23:45

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[slim] Power Management

2006-04-08 Thread mortod

Not sure whether this is a SB issue, but I have trouble getting my PC to
go into standby since I have connected a wireless SB.

The PC will only go into standby if I am logged out, or if the timeout
is 3 minutes or less. If I am logged in and set the timeout to, say, 15
minutes it will never go into standby - unless I do it manually. If I
disable Wake on LAN then it goes into standby OK (but of course the SB
can't wake it). Once in standby the Wake on LAN works fine.

Any thoughts ?


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Re: [slim] Re: Cannot Open SlimServer Preferences

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Herger

I have the same issue.
MacBook Pro (Intel)


Then you might want to answer the same question: which slimserver version?  
Did you try one of the recent nightlies?


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[slim] Softsqueeze 100% CPU / Most Stable Version Recommendation?

2006-04-08 Thread BBobley

Hi,

I own three squeezeboxes and also use softsqueeze on my wife's
computer.  I recently asked her why she never plays music in her
office.  I was disappointed when she told me that Softsqueeze made her
computer crawl to a stop!

I checked it out and she's right.  It is a windows xp box and after
playing for about 30 seconds, softsqueeze.exe eats up 98 - 99% of the
CPU time, making the whole machine very slow. In fact, after I clicked
the power button in Softsqueeze (turning off the music, but leaving
the application running) it continued to eat 99% of the CPU.

I am currently running Softsqueeze 2.011b (on Windows XP).  The
slimserver is also an XP box, running 6.1.1 - 3774 - Windows XP - EN -
cp1252.  I haven't upgraded to the latest slimserver, as you can see,
because the server has been very stable and the hardware squeezeboxes
work great.  For me, stability and reliability are the most important. 
I want to make sure my family can rely on the Slim/Squeeze system.

Any advice?  Should I upgrade my Softsqueeze and/or Slimserver to
eliminate this problem?  What version combination would you recommend?

thanks,

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Re: [slim] Softsqueeze 100% CPU / Most Stable Version Recommendation?

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Herger

Any advice?  Should I upgrade my Softsqueeze and/or Slimserver to
eliminate this problem?  What version combination would you recommend?


You could try to install only the latest softsqueeze: download the ZIP  
file, extract to some folder and copy the subfolder  
HTML/EN/html/softsqueeze to a place of your likings.


http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/6.2.2/

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[slim] Nightly 2006-04-08 Windows build broken?

2006-04-08 Thread Grahame

Tried to install latest windows nightly build.

Looks like its broken. No slim.exe 

Buildlog says .


Removing .svn directories from build...
rm: too few arguments
Try `rm --help' for more information.
Building perlsvc executable for server...
Can't load
'C:\cygwin\home\sdi\build\stable\release\server\CPAN\arch\5.8\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread/auto/Win32/API/API.dll'
for module Win32::API: load_file:Access is denied at
/PerlApp/DynaLoader.pm line 212.
at C:/cygwin/home/sdi/build/stable/release/server/Slim/Utils/Misc.pm
line 46
Compilation failed in require at
C:/cygwin/home/sdi/build/stable/release/server/Slim/Utils/Misc.pm line
46.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
C:/cygwin/home/sdi/build/stable/release/server/Slim/Utils/Misc.pm line
54.
Compilation failed in require at slimserver.pl line 201.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at slimserver.pl line 201.
'slimserver.pl' had compilation errors.


Any one else confirm this?

Luckily I have a previous nighly thats good so no worries, 
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[slim] Re: Nightly 2006-04-08 Windows build broken?

2006-04-08 Thread mattybain

Yes it is hosed for me too, both the 7th and 8th. Have gone back to the
6th and all is good. This has also given me the v39 firmware.


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[slim] Re: No sound from Squeezebox after reflash

2006-04-08 Thread mftech

Same problem with firmware 37.
I could playback via SqueezeNetwork, but not sound at all in slimserver
via my flac files or Internet radio.
Reflashing the xilinx dont seem to work, I try more than 20 times,
whitout success.
What'wrong ?
Reverting to 6.2.1 works for a while and I end up with the same problem
after several power off.

I want my MTV...sorry my SB3

FYI Everything is working fine with Softsqueeze the problem seems to
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[slim] Re: How to set which player starts in web iface

2006-04-08 Thread Bonesteel

I may be missing a syntax piece - 

I tried:

http://192.168.0.11:9000/index.htm...00:04:20:06:30:40

192.168.0.11 is the IP of my SlimServer, and the numbers at the end are
the MAC address of my preferred player.

Any hints?

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[slim] Re: Nightly 2006-04-08 Windows build broken?

2006-04-08 Thread Grahame

Update:

Installing broken 2006-04-08 , then re-installing previous version
(2006-03-22) had side effect of updating firmware to Version 37 on
SB2.

Checked the Program Files\SlimServer\server\Firmware dir
and version 37 was installed.

So I guess thats a win - of sorts.


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[slim] Re: How to set which player starts in web iface

2006-04-08 Thread rudholm

http://192.168.0.11:9000/index.html?player=00:04:20:06:30:40


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[slim] Re: How to set which player starts in web iface

2006-04-08 Thread Bonesteel

I feel foolish.

Thanks


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[slim] Re: Cannot Open SlimServer Preferences

2006-04-08 Thread Ben

Download the 6.2.2 nightly. That's the error for a non-universal pref
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[slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

substantial discussion of the spectrum analyzer can be found here
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14935
and here
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=13515


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[slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Nalle Johansson Wrote: 
 The normal tax in sweden 
 are 33% up to over 50%.
Hey! We pay that much tax! How come we don't get all those holidays?


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[slim] Re: Who is Nalle Johansson?

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Nalle Johansson Wrote: 
 Swedish word Chef=head, employer, manager, boss, cheif, commander,
 captain
Like jefe in Spanish


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[slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread snarlydwarf

Mike Anderson Wrote: 
 How disappointing.  I thought this thread was going to be about where to
 go to see scantily clad young women.

Indeed, especially since the local weekly had as front page news that
we are not the strip club capital of the world but didn't offer any
suggestions on where that is.
http://www.springfieldnews.com/articles/2006/02/10/local/news02.txt


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[slim] Re: What debug boxes to tick

2006-04-08 Thread wickedbob

timmorris Wrote: 
 
 I'm a great believer in self help - is there a document somewhere that
 lists what each of the debug options refers to?
 
 I've said it before - while the software is fantastic the documentation
 is poor. Someone from Slimdevices needs to sit down and provide a full
 set of end-user documentation.
 

I absolutely agree with you.
End-user documentation needs some major improvement.

I appear to be getting stuttering with internet radio, local MP3 and
FLAC playback and just can't get anything to play through
squeezenetworks.

Official tech support has been disappointing and hasn't solved my
problems.  Since I asked for a refund Slimdevices hasn't answered any
of my emails.

Thanks for your posts Tim, I will use some of these diagnostic tools
and your experiences to diagnose where the problems lie in my
household.


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[slim] Re: Nightly 2006-04-08 Windows build broken?

2006-04-08 Thread Millwood

I've opened bug 3253 - 4/7 was first broken build.


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[slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

That article reads like an April Fools joke, except for the posting
date.

I fed the phrase strip club capital of the country into google, and
found out, to my surprise, that for Canada that distinction falls to
Montreal. 

Also, this: Montreal has been touted as car-theft capital of Canada.

And, it seems, for Ethiopia, it's Addis Ababa.


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Re: [slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread kdf


On 8-Apr-06, at 5:22 PM, Michaelwagner wrote:



I fed the phrase strip club capital of the country into google, and
found out, to my surprise, that for Canada that distinction falls to
Montreal.


surely you jest about being surprised.  There is one on every corner!



Also, this: Montreal has been touted as car-theft capital of Canada.


now THAT does surprise me.  RCMP around here always says it's Surrey.
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[slim] Re: Network Activity

2006-04-08 Thread bigjules

Triode Wrote: 
 Its a tcp connection.  The way tcp works, you need to send data (or
 keepalives) to know the connection is still running.  As the client is
 responsible for connecting to the server, the client needs a way to
 know it is still connected and if not attempt to reconnect - hence the
 keepalives.

TCP has a connection timeout.  Why not just make that longer. 
Regardless of who initiated the connection, its not like the server
isn't sending packets to the squeezebox all the time.  Except of course
when its doing nothing and nothing is displayed -- which is exactly when
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[slim] Re: Softsqueeze 100% CPU / Most Stable Version Recommendation?

2006-04-08 Thread BBobley

Michael,

Thanks for your advice.  I went to sourceforge and downloaded the
latest Windows version of SoftSqueeze (vers 2.3).  I then went to
Windows Control panel add/remove software and removed the old version. 
I then ran the installer to install version 2.3.

Version 2.3 worked fine for about 60 seconds, but then jumped to 98%
CPU utilization.

Any other ideas?  (by the way:  the reason I used Richard's installer
on Sourceforge is that it includes a windows installer.  I've always
found the version that comes with SlimServer to be confusing to
install. I'm never sure how to do it properly.  The sourceforge windows
version is very straightforward).

Brett


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Re: [slim] Re: Softsqueeze 100% CPU / Most Stable Version Recommendation?

2006-04-08 Thread kdf


On 8-Apr-06, at 6:12 PM, BBobley wrote:


Version 2.3 worked fine for about 60 seconds, but then jumped to 98%
CPU utilization.

Any other ideas?
go into the softsqueeze prefs.  try selecting different audio drivers.  
If you haven't installed the java mp3 plugin, try that.  If you have 
and you are using it, try going back to jlayer.


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[slim] Re: Power Management

2006-04-08 Thread Ben Diss

When the SB is off and only displaying the time, it's talking to your
PC.  Turn off the clock screensaver and your 'puter will go into
standby.


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[slim] Re: Softsqueeze 100% CPU / Most Stable Version Recommendation?

2006-04-08 Thread kkitts

Not sure if this will be helpful or not - but I have seen behavior
similar to this that was the result of anti-virus software. You might
try disabling the anti-virus software briefly and see if you get the
same result.

Kevin


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[slim] Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread DrJ

I've just become aware of SlimServer, and it looks to be a product that
fits exactly a need that I am looking to fill.  I've been browsing the
fora to determine what sort of horsepower the hardware needs to have to
run the server-side software.  

Frankly, I'm amazed at the amount of horsepower that some people use. 
Saturating a 50 or 100Mb Ethernet takes almost nothing (say, a 200MHz
PII).  As far as I can tell, there is only a php server and maybe a
database (or is the filesystem used?) in addition, which shouldn't take
that much unless one has a huge collection.

What is a reasonable minimum for a two or three users?  FWIW, I was
considering running it on an old Sun Ultra 5 with about 256 to 512MB
RAM on FreeBSD with enough disk space off an auxilliary controller.  Is
there any reason this should not work adequately?

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[slim] Re: The 8 dancing bars

2006-04-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Most of my time in Montreal was 25 years ago or more. Maybe they weren't
there. Or maybe I just didn't notice.


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Re: [slim] Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread Pat Farrell
DrJ wrote:
 Frankly, I'm amazed at the amount of horsepower that some people use. 
 Saturating a 50 or 100Mb Ethernet takes almost nothing (say, a 200MHz
 PII). 

It is hard to find a computer with as little power as a P2 200.

 As far as I can tell, there is only a php server and maybe a
 database (or is the filesystem used?) in addition, which shouldn't take
 that much unless one has a huge collection.

Its Perl, and there is a lightweight Database.

Part of why people use fairly fast CPUs is that that is what is laying
arround. I used a P3-500 for a long time, it was fine. When it died,
I used a AMD 2200 that I had laying around.


 What is a reasonable minimum for a two or three users?  FWIW, I was
 considering running it on an old Sun Ultra 5 with about 256 to 512MB
 RAM on FreeBSD with enough disk space off an auxilliary controller.  Is
 there any reason this should not work adequately?

If you have it, try it and see.
Many folks are impatient about things like browser refresh times
and it takes a long time to scan a few hundred gigabytes of songs
because the Perl is not optomized for it, and it happens at night
so most people don't care.

I forget how Sparc memory maps to Intel memory, but my
old P3-500 had under 400 MB of ram.

Transcoding files from weird formats to PCM, Flac or MP3 is
fairly CPU intensive, but if your tunes are in a good format,
then it is just a mindless read block push out NIC until
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[slim] Re: Network Activity

2006-04-08 Thread radish

bigjules Wrote: 
 TCP has a connection timeout.  Why not just make that longer. 
 Regardless of who initiated the connection, its not like the server
 isn't sending packets to the squeezebox all the time.  Except of course
 when its doing nothing and nothing is displayed -- which is exactly when
 you'd want the connection to timeout.

Except that just because the player is switched off doesn't mean the
server wants to forget about it. You still want to see which players
are connected, and maybe switch them on. That requires an active
connection. Sure you could drop the connection on power off and bring
it back on power on, but what if you couldn't? (because it wasn't
there). That would lead to a UI action which couldn't be completed, and
that's a Bad Thing (tm).

The real question is, why not have the keepalives? They use essentially
zero bandwidth.


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[slim] Re: Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread DrJ

pfarrell Wrote: 
 
 It is hard to find a computer with as little power as a P2 200.
 

That's my point.

 
 Its Perl, and there is a lightweight Database.
 
My mistake.  Still, unless the perl script is terribly involved, this
too should not add a lot of overhead.  The database should almost be
flat, without too much relational stuff.
 
 If you have it, try it and see.
 Many folks are impatient about things like browser refresh times
 and it takes a long time to scan a few hundred gigabytes of songs
 because the Perl is not optomized for it, and it happens at night
 so most people don't care.
 
 I forget how Sparc memory maps to Intel memory, but my
 old P3-500 had under 400 MB of ram.
 
The Ultra 5 (at least the 400MHz variety) is roughly equal to a P3-500.
It can map a full 64 bit address space, but for practical purposes, 1GB
is about all you can do with an Ultra 5.

If you mean how efficiently memory is used, that's more involved than
we can deal with here.  Call it the same for present purposes.

Like I said, saturating a 100Mb Ethernet line is not hard.  I run much
of my admittedly small company off a slower Sparc server, and that
includes Samba/print serving, IMAP services, and serving large static
web pages by Apache.  The server is plenty good enough.
 
 Transcoding files from weird formats to PCM, Flac or MP3 is
 fairly CPU intensive, but if your tunes are in a good format,
 then it is just a mindless read block push out NIC until
 done loop.
 
That's what was my perception.  You can encode once on whatever machine
you want, transfer, and then the serving should not take that much.

I may well give it a shot.  I figure I can put together this server,
with 300GB or so of storage, for about $100.

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Re: [slim] Re: Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread Pat Farrell
DrJ wrote:
 pfarrell Wrote: 
Its Perl, and there is a lightweight Database.
 
 My mistake.  Still, unless the perl script is terribly involved, this
 too should not add a lot of overhead.  The database should almost be
 flat, without too much relational stuff.

Right not a lot of twelve way joins.


I forget how Sparc memory maps to Intel memory, but my
old P3-500 had under 400 MB of ram.
 
 The Ultra 5 (at least the 400MHz variety) is roughly equal to a P3-500.
 It can map a full 64 bit address space, but for practical purposes, 1GB
 is about all you can do with an Ultra 5.
 
 If you mean how efficiently memory is used, that's more involved than
 we can deal with here.  Call it the same for present purposes.

I was actually thinking that some RISC processors, the Dec Alpha for one
in particular, end up needing a lot more memory to do a given task
than an Intel chip would, in part because the RISC vs CISC theory
and part because the Alpha was 64 bits at a time that lots of PCs were
will using 16 bit addressing.

Transcoding files from weird formats to PCM, Flac or MP3 is
fairly CPU intensive, but if your tunes are in a good format,
then it is just a mindless read block push out NIC until
done loop.
 
 That's what was my perception.  You can encode once on whatever machine
 you want, transfer, and then the serving should not take that much.

A lot of people are in love with iTunes and Windows weird closed
formats, so their SlimServer has to spend a lot of time
converting (waste a lot of time in some people's minds)

 I may well give it a shot.  I figure I can put together this server,
 with 300GB or so of storage, for about $100.

Clearly not with SCSI disks, or do you have them laying around as well?

Clearly try it and see if it runs or walks or is too slow for
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[slim] Re: Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread rudholm

pfarrell Wrote: 
 DrJ wrote:
  pfarrell Wrote: 
 Its Perl, and there is a lightweight Database.
  
  My mistake.  Still, unless the perl script is terribly involved,
 this
  too should not add a lot of overhead.  The database should almost be
  flat, without too much relational stuff.
 
 Right not a lot of twelve way joins.
 
 
 I forget how Sparc memory maps to Intel memory, but my
 old P3-500 had under 400 MB of ram.
  
  The Ultra 5 (at least the 400MHz variety) is roughly equal to a
 P3-500.
  It can map a full 64 bit address space, but for practical purposes,
 1GB
  is about all you can do with an Ultra 5.
  
  If you mean how efficiently memory is used, that's more involved
 than
  we can deal with here.  Call it the same for present purposes.
 
 I was actually thinking that some RISC processors, the Dec Alpha for
 one
 in particular, end up needing a lot more memory to do a given task
 than an Intel chip would, in part because the RISC vs CISC theory
 and part because the Alpha was 64 bits at a time that lots of PCs were
 will using 16 bit addressing.
 
 Transcoding files from weird formats to PCM, Flac or MP3 is
 fairly CPU intensive, but if your tunes are in a good format,
 then it is just a mindless read block push out NIC until
 done loop.
  
  That's what was my perception.  You can encode once on whatever
 machine
  you want, transfer, and then the serving should not take that much.
 
 A lot of people are in love with iTunes and Windows weird closed
 formats, so their SlimServer has to spend a lot of time
 converting (waste a lot of time in some people's minds)
 
  I may well give it a shot.  I figure I can put together this server,
  with 300GB or so of storage, for about $100.
 
 Clearly not with SCSI disks, or do you have them laying around as
 well?
 
 Clearly try it and see if it runs or walks or is too slow for
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The Ultra 5 uses IDE, so he really could do this on the cheap.  And
despite how impotent the Ultra 5 is (no disrespect meant, I've been a
SPARC user since SPARC-1) it would be enough for running slimserver as
long as he didn't do too much simultaneous real-time transcoding.


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[slim] Re: Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread DrJ

pfarrell Wrote: 
 
 Right not a lot of twelve way joins.
 
Grin.  Understood.
 
  If you mean how efficiently memory is used, that's more involved
 than
  we can deal with here.  Call it the same for present purposes.
 
 I was actually thinking that some RISC processors, the Dec Alpha for
 one
 in particular, end up needing a lot more memory to do a given task
 than an Intel chip would, in part because the RISC vs CISC theory
 and part because the Alpha was 64 bits at a time that lots of PCs were
 will using 16 bit addressing.
 
I've not seen that practically on the Sparc, at least not on FreeBSD
servers.  You do have to pay some attention to the size of various
integers and the like, but if you do, there really is not much memory
exansion, if any.
 
 
  That's what was my perception.  You can encode once on whatever
 machine
  you want, transfer, and then the serving should not take that much.
 
 A lot of people are in love with iTunes and Windows weird closed
 formats, so their SlimServer has to spend a lot of time
 converting (waste a lot of time in some people's minds)
 
Well, that brings up another question.  I'm obviously suggesting to
encode for a high-fidelity storage of the master if you will, which
would be relayed to the stereo  (which is mostly background music for
the intended application -- the main audio system is in another
carefully acoustically-engineered building) and relying on local
processing power (if needed) to do any format conversions when playing
on local computers or when transfering to MP3 players.  

I've not used iTunes or Windows music formats much.  Some sort of front
end is useful, particularly for my granddaughter, but as you can
probably tell, I've not used any of them much.  How fragmented is this
part of the world?  Are these sorts of format conversions possible (at
least those without DRM)?  The store-bought CDs I'd think would be OK,
but how about music downloads? Can these be converted?
 
  I figure I can put together this server,
  with 300GB or so of storage, for about $100.
 
 Clearly not with SCSI disks, or do you have them laying around as
 well?
 
No, clearly this is not SCSI, and the cost is for buying all the
components from scratch.  Is SCSI speed for a lightly-loaded server
needed?  I would think that simple data transfer rate would be more
important to stream audio, and for that IDE would be fine (let's leave
reliability out of this for the moment).  SCSI would put it in a whole
'nother price range, but I did just buy a wonderful Seagate 147GB 10K.6
drive for $80 (four years warranty left).  It can be done.


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Re: [slim] Re: Hardware Requirements/Guidance

2006-04-08 Thread Pat Farrell
DrJ wrote:
 Well, that brings up another question.  I'm obviously suggesting to
 encode for a high-fidelity storage of the master if you will, which
 would be relayed to the stereo  (which is mostly background music for
 the intended application -- the main audio system is in another
 carefully acoustically-engineered building) and relying on local
 processing power (if needed) to do any format conversions when playing
 on local computers or when transfering to MP3 players.  

Some of this realy depends on your usage model.
The SlimDevices SqueezeBox hardware has an embedded microcontroller
that can decode PCM, FLAC and MP3 in the fly, real time.

So if you are streaming to one of them, you are done.

If you are thinking of using a software player,
such as SoftSqueeze, or even WinAmp, then
the driving CPU usage is on the client machine.


 I've not used iTunes or Windows music formats much.  Some sort of front
 end is useful, particularly for my granddaughter, but as you can
 probably tell,

I'm not sure I'm following you. Once the tunes are in the server
and the SlimServer is up and running, you use either the remote control
for your SqueezeBox or an HTML window in your favorite browser.
I run Firefox on an ancient Toshiba laptop running Knoppix as
my control, I rarely touch the SqueezeBox remote control.


 I've not used any of them much.  How fragmented is this
 part of the world?  Are these sorts of format conversions possible (at
 least those without DRM)?  The store-bought CDs I'd think would be OK,
 but how about music downloads? Can these be converted?

Store bought CDs have to be 'ripped' into a computer data file
and placed on your server's disk. There are zillions of ripping
utilities.

The Apple iTunes store sells music in a DRM, and Microsoft has its
own DRM. The playing of DRM's music is problematic, as most of
the DRMs are aimed at controlling playback onto a specific
hardware, and your Sun box is not in the top 100 list
of clients.

Most of the 'kids' listen to MP3s, a lot of them may
never have bought a music CD. MP3 files are not too
hard to convert on the fly even using software.

All the cool folks use FLAC, which is free, open source, lossless,
and designed to be low overhead during playback, altho it
is slower than MP3 to compress and doesn't yield as small
file sizes if you are willing to tolerate crappy MP3 rates.

There is a separate mailing list/forum about ripping issues, help
formats, etc.

 No, clearly this is not SCSI, and the cost is for buying all the
 components from scratch.  Is SCSI speed for a lightly-loaded server
 needed? 

No way. SCSI is not needed at all.
I just mentioned it because all the Sun boxes that I've used
had SCSI. Some other poster said that your Sun box uses
cheap IDE drives. They are more than fast enough.

IDE drives are insanely cheap. $100 will buy new 250GB or larger
disks.

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[slim] Menu selection question

2006-04-08 Thread tonycpsu

I like browsing the menus using the numbers to select menu items, but
it'd be even better if Slimserver could be configured to instantly
execute the menu item (instead of just selecting it) or automatically
do so after a configurable amount of time.

Can this be done with current software, or is this a new request?


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