Re: [slim] Finally Sold My Treasured Squeezebox Setup :(
chill wrote: > Yep, there's a lot of it about. It shouldn't be a reflection on either > of you. Remember the old saying: "Men marry women with the hope they > will never change. Women marry men with the hope they will change. > Invariably they are both disappointed." > > Good luck. A bit of truth in that, although I think it is more that courting couples are more inclined to ignore or tolerate the annoying parts of their partner's behaviour, and become less tolerant once the rose tinted veil of new love falls away. The quote I have in mind is from Richard Bach (author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull) If you love somebody, set them free. If they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were Although I am the one physically leaving, I am setting my wife free. A couple of good sources of help for faltering relationships: A book, "Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions and Hurtful Acts ", Travis and Aronson. Actually I would say a "must read" for everybody! I cannot recommend it strongly enough, it has changed my behaviour and how I view the world. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1780662653/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_H8hkDbQ33YAKP Also, any stuff by Alain de Botton, but particularly his lecture at the Sydney Opera House "On Love" - available on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-iUHlVazKk Sorry, I really will shut up now! Matt *SqueezeBoxes:* A *'piCorePlayer' (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home)* with two Duets, one no longer in active service. *Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9.1 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Duet, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* piCorePlayer, Tibo powered speakers. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110742 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Finally Sold My Treasured Squeezebox Setup :(
Thanks for the kind thoughts guys. The reason I am so reluctant and sad is I actually really like my wife and honestly don't want us to break up. I saw the kids moving away as an opportunity to spend more time together and rekindle our relationship which has become colder and more distant; smothered in the organised chaos of managing three demanding teenagers. Not the kids fault, obviously, but we have just focused too much on their welfare at the expense of our relationship. However, she obviously has been having other ideas. Lesson for anyone who has acquired children recently, make an effort to drag your wife away from the kids as much as you can, so you can spend time together, no matter how reluctant she is too leave them. Deposit them with relatives or grandparents for a week and fly off somewhere. She may spend the first couple of days texting and phoning them, but it will be worth it. She asked for the separation 18 months ago, took off her wedding ring and moved into the spare bedroom, but I persuaded her to wait until the twins were 18 and had finished their High School exams and were back from various post-exam travels. The time since she asked has been very difficult. I have tried really hard to make her life as easy as possible, doing most of the laundry, shopping and cooking, so she can take up hobbies and "find herself". I still have some hope that she will miss me more than she thinks during the separation. Hoping for the best but planning for the worst. Despite the obvious signs, the children seem to have no idea what is up. My apartment becomes available in mid-August and we are planning to tell them then. That is one conversation I am REALLY not looking forward to! Also not looking forward to starting all over again - particularly at the age of 60, but trying to remain positive. Sorry I have taken the thread so far off topic! Back to Squeezeboxes... Matt *SqueezeBoxes:* A *'piCorePlayer' (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home)* with two Duets, one no longer in active service. *Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9.1 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Duet, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* piCorePlayer, Tibo powered speakers. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110742 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Finally Sold My Treasured Squeezebox Setup :(
My experience: Bought our first Squeezebox Duet in 2008 for the living room, connected to my Naim amp. This prompted me to buy a NAS (Synology DS107) to run LMS (then SqueezeboxServer) and learn a whole lot about Linux and networking! Bought our second Squeezebox Duet in 2009 for the kitchen. It became the default for listening to music in the house, the kids especially liked the Spotify integration. 10 years later and the main music listening done in the house seems to be via mobile phones and portable bluetooth speakers or headphones. Nobody other than me seems to be bothered about stereo! The Duet in the living room is still connected, but I am the only one that listens to it. We have some active speakers in the kitchen that have Bluetooth and an RCA aux input that I use for a Raspberry Pi running PiCorePlayer. Again, I am the only one who uses the SB, everybody else uses the Bluetooth. They don't seem to be bothered that the connections are so flaky and their phone notification sounds are amplified. Most serious listening seems to be done privately on their telephones. My twins are now 18 and about to go off to uni, and my youngest at 16 seems to spend most of his evenings out with friends or in his room doing homework. Because of this Mrs TLM has decided, just before our 20th anniversary and my 60th birthday, that this is the right time to dispense with her husband. :-( She has decided that she does not want to spend her retirement years with me and plans to buy a dog for company instead while she swipes Tinder. I am being shipped off to a small one bed apartment during a 6 month "trial separation". All reasonably amicable - but with great reluctance and sadness on my part. We get on OK, no rows, but she is just bored and thinks that getting rid of me and looking for a new bloke will make life exciting again! She is almost certainly right - but maybe more exciting in the Chinese sense than the fun time she is expecting. Anyway, she is the one with all the cash, so will be buying me out of the joint property (assuming the trial is "successful"). I will then have enough to buy either a 2 bed flat if I decide to stay in London, or a small house if I move out of town a bit. She says she will be very glad to get rid of all my ugly hi-fi. Any replacement for Mrs TLM is going to need to be more accepting of my audio setup. In fact a shared appreciation of music and its reproduction is going to be a big factor in choosing Mrs TLM 2.0! I will take the "plug ugly" Linn LP12, Naim amps and B speakers and leave her with a nice shiny plastic £30 Sony portable speaker for the living room. If I am feeling generous I might run to a £100 or so for Bose or UE box. Wish me luck... Matt *SqueezeBoxes:* A *'piCorePlayer' (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home)* with two Duets, one no longer in active service. *Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9.1 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Duet, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* piCorePlayer, Tibo powered speakers. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110742 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
I think everybody is using the Spotify plugins these days. It is more than £$10 a month of effort to get free Spotify playing through Squeezebox. I have the family package of 5 accounts for £15. Only one is available through Squeezebox it works very well. Sent from my F5121 using Tapatalk Matt SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, Draytek Vigor 130 VDSL modem, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B 686 speakers TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions on alternatives to SB
garym wrote: > Sonos server is essentially built into each unit. The files have to be > served from somewhere locally, but that can be a NAS or some sort of > drive attached to a router, etc. I assume this is the main reason that > Sonos is not willing to update their software in any significant way > (key issue for me would be the 65,000 track maximum). Doing so would > effectively make all the old SONOS players unusable with newer units. > > In today's world of micro computers the size of a pack of cigarettes > that can run things like LMS, the need to have a "PC running" has > become less and less of an issue. With Sonos you can play music files from any networked device. I have a friend who has his music on a USB hard drive plugged into his router. It is also quite impressive that if you have the app installed on your phone it will play music from that as well. In general it is a lot easier to set up and run than Squeezebox, but you pay for the privilege, and it is a lot less flexible. The Sonos controller app for the iPhone is very neat. However Sonos is simply too expensive to be a mass market product and will remain niche. Chromecast and similar products are the future. Sent from my F5121 using Tapatalk Matt SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, Draytek Vigor 130 VDSL modem, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B 686 speakers TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions on alternatives to SB
ad6922 wrote: > I was going on the same path last year to look for alternatives for > squeezebox as the LMS-software on my QNAP nas had security breaches. > > In the end I went for a rpi2 with max2play.com. As it is a rather cheap > alternative I wanted to give it a try. > > By now, it's not a try anymore, but it's here to stay. > > It's simple in daily use and I got the airplay option as an extra. As > the spotify app have been changed in the last year as well there is no > need to change > to a different platform. It does everything that I want it to do. Ditto. What I want from my system is to play music from my NAS, my favourite radio stations, BBC iPlayer Radio and Spotify. While my squeezeboxes continue to do those things then I have no reason to change. The iPlayer Radio app has been a bit of a struggle recently, but I still have it working (thanks to "bpa" on this forum). However, Michael Herger's recent improvements to the official Spotify app make it even less likely I will want to change. The sound quality is up to the player you use and most player hardware will output a digital stream if you want to use an external DAC. If I were forced to move to another system it would probably be Chromecast as so many streaming phone apps support it now. Sonos is convenient for those who want "all in one" active speaker options, but otherwise offers nothing more than you can get with SqueezeBox for a fraction of the price (if you are of a geeky / DIY persuasion). Matt SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.9 *Network:* TP-Link Archer VR200 router, Draytek Vigor 130 VDSL modem, TP-Link access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/110/Headline amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B 686 speakers TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Port 9000 blocked
Atlantic wrote: > So, if you only need to access your LMS Web UI, you can do that from > your work computer's browser, using port 443. Port 443 will not be > blocked. > > eg: http://[your url if you have a suitable DNS record, or your IP > address]:443 > > You will ALSO need to set up your router at your home to forward port > 443 onto [your LMS server's IP address], port 9000 . > > regards, Atlantic Atlantic; a very belated thank you! A short note on how I got this to work if anybody else is having similar issues: After an awful lot of Googling I eventually found out what you were talking about. This process is achieved using one of two methods; 1. Port Address Translation or PAT. This allows you to use several port numbers as a proxies for the one that the server is listening on. The proxy ports are known as "origin" ports and the port that the server is listening on is known as the "destination" port. In this case I could use 443 as the "origin" and 9000 as the "destination". 2. Virtual Server. This is a simple extension of Port Forwarding that allows the incoming port number to be different from the port number the server is listening on. This means doing two separate port forward entries: [external ip]:9000 -> [internal ip]:9000 [external ip]:443 -> [internal ip]:9000 My rather ancient Netgear DG834GT router allowed Port Forwarding but did not have a Virtual Server function or PAT available in the firmware. So I bought a new router that had a Virtual Server setup. That took quite a bit of time as it involved downloading a lot of instruction manuals as this is not often listed as a "feature" in the specifications of most routers sold to the general public. Anyway, the new router came with a host of other improvements, such as much faster wi-fi and better stability, so it was worth doing even without making remote LMS work. Like most computer stuff it is "simple when you know how" - it is finding the "know how" that is difficult! Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI 2B with Squeezeplug & LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103720 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Port 9000 blocked
Roland0 wrote: You can use 8080, then. However, make sure your LMS server is actually reachable from outside your home network (in most home setups, it isn't) Additionally, note that port 9000 is for the web interface - if you want to stream audio, you'll need another port I already do access LMS remotely via internet connections, just not from work where the outgoing ports are blocked. Port 80 is forwarded to my NAS web interface and 8080 is forwarded to my router's web interface. I was hoping there might be other commonly open ports that I might use. This is not for streaming, just for occasional monitoring, setting up playlists for later use, updating plugins and so on. Probably about half an hour a month! My work laptop is locked down so I cannot install any software on it - which probably puts a VPN out of the question. This is not a major problem so if it is not easily fixed I won't worry too much. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI 2B with Squeezeplug LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103720 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Port 9000 blocked
pinkdot wrote: Find a port that isn't blocked? They all seem to be blocked! (other than 80 and 8080). Rather than test the whole range of 60,000 odd, do you know any likely candidates that might be open that my router won't be needing? Thanks! Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI 2B with Squeezeplug LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103720 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Port 9000 blocked
Hi folks. I am trying to connect remotely from work to my LMS server on my home network which uses the port 9000. However, most outgoing ports are blocked here. Is there any way round this? Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI 2B with Squeezeplug LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103720 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Announces New Line of Squeezebox Hardware Players
garym wrote: Yes, I thought the LogiMusic streaming service was a strong message that this was April Fools! More a wish list than an April fools day joke eh Gary? ;) For me, now that I can make a pretty decent headless player with a Raspberry Pi, I2S DAC and a pretty case - all for less than £100 ($150) - I don't think I would ever spend more money than that on a streamer again. If I were really into hi-fi and wanted the best possible sound I might spend the money on an external DAC which is where the real audible differences are made, rather than the streamer which simply decodes network 1s and 0s and turns them into a form that a DAC can decode. The real magic with the Squeezebox system lies in LMS, and the many willing volunteers here that keep it running. Those of us addicted to BBC radio are eternally indebted to the likes of BPA, Triode, Expectingtofly, Bonze and others without whom we would be resorting to bluetoothing from our iPhones to some crappy little speaker like some of my trendy friends in the meeja (gruesome thought :( ) Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI with Squeezeplug LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103438 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OT - Best Android phone music player
dafiend wrote: Currently in the same boat as you. I'm using Poweramp, but I don't think its UI is particularly logical or appealing. I'm putting my hopes (and a few $$$) into 'mobile foobar2000' (http://mobile.foobar2000.com/). IMO, foobar2000 is the best player on the desktop by far. So I'm hoping they will deliver on iOS and Android as well. rantI've tried various alternatives to Poweramp (e.g., Winamp, Rocket Music Player) and none of them make me happy. Besides, I think Poweramp is a cash cow at this point. I've reported a number of bugs and they don't do anything to squash them./rant Thanks all for the suggestions folks. Dafiend, glad I am not the only one! Agree with you on Poweramp and its lack of UI logic. It has too many options and takes too much work to set up a play list and I cannot see an easy way to do it on the fly. There is the enqueue option, but it only adds to the end, you cannot play next. And whatever I do it always ends up playing random tracks from my library at some point - very disconcerting! Currently trying Rocket Music Player which has recently undergone a major update I understand. It does nearly all I want and has much better UI logic, but I am finding it very laggy, settings don't stick through a reboot and it keeps losing my playlists. If it were slicker in use and had fewer bugs I would probably stay with it, but until then, still looking. Foobar is good on a PC, but I am not sure how well the UI will work when you don't have a full time keyboard and mouse to work with. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] OT - Best Android phone music player
I am looking for a music player with music selection and playlist logic as close as possible to Squeezebox - particularly Orange Squeeze. In fact, if Orange Squeeze could index and play the music on my 64GB microSD card then I would be a happy bunny. I currently use Poweramp but get very frustrated with the way it works. I just want to choose a track or album and either play it, add it to the end of my current list or play it next. I never seem to get Poweramp to do that. I choose an album, select play and it plays just the first track before choosing some random track from my library! Not logical at all captain... Any suggestions? Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Recommend speakers/amp to go with Pi + Wolfson?
See my Sig - kitchen setup. Sounds nice but not loud. Should be fine for a workshop. BW make some of the best sounding small speakers. Way better than the Diamonds. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101703 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
SamS wrote: Has anyone thought about using an Intel fanless NUC as a software player? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/04/intel-releases-its-fanless-nuc.html A bit more expensive than a Raspberry Pi solution, but maybe not extraordinarily so? And I'm thinking it would be more flexible, and maybe easier to troubleshoot? Yes, I had looked at the NUC, and other similar mini-computers - but dismissed them mainly thanks to Steen and his brilliant (and free!) piCorePlayer Linux distro for Squeezebox. I have just built a complete Squeezebox Player from a Raspberry Pi based on this for £60 ($90) including case, SD card, wi-fi dongle, power supply and audio cables. One major advantage of this setup is that piCorePlayer is pre-configured to get audio out of a Raspberry Pi - and nothing else. This means that it took about 10 minutes to build and 10 minutes to set up. An absolute doddle. If I want to make it hi-fi there are now supported I2S DACs and digital out cards (to supply an external DAC) that can be attached for another $50 or so. You can also go down the slightly more fiddly route of a USB DAC but support for that is rather more hit and miss. Once you have it running, it is quite possible to adopt the if it ain't broke don't fix it maxim and just leave it to play the music. I find that if I don't fiddle with stuff that I rarely need to troubleshoot. Remember a NUC does not come with memory, storage or an operating system. I am assuming you are not au-faix with setting up your own Linux installations and will therefore need to buy a copy of Windows. That, of course, will need a sizeable hard drive for the OS (piCorePlayer fits on a single 1GB SD card!). I reckon, with Windows, you will not get much change from $400. Of course the resulting computer will be capable of very much more than piCorePlayer on a RPi. You could use it as an LMS server and/or the hub of a complete media center if you wanted, so it really does depend on what you need it for. With the other options made available at the moment, a NUC is complete over-kill for a simple player. If, like me, you just need a couple more headless players like the Receiver then the RPi running piCorePlayer is just the job. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
SamS wrote: All very good points! I was thinking I could get into a NUC (incl memory, small SSD, Linux etc.) for under $250. But, as you stated, it borders on overkill. I am still very much interested in a Hifiberry + SPDIF card + proper case + piCorePlayer, however I am in the US, so I couldn't find any easy/cheap way to get all three shipped to me. Yes, going for Linux would shave a lot off the potential price, if you are familiar with setting it up. In the case of the RPi, I think the limiting factor is the case. There are so many potential configurations that, unless a case is provided by the maker of the add-in board you are left with DIY solutions. Personally I will be going for one of these for my next project which is a DAC with a bespoke case available for it: https://www.tindie.com/search/?q=IQaudIO.com UK based but priced in dollars, so they clearly know about shipping abroad. However, analogue RCA output only. You can get the RPi in the USA from here: http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302 They also sell an all in one Wolfson sound card for the RPi with analogue RCA, SPDIF, line in, line out and shared microphone / headphone: http://www.newark.com/element14/wolfson-audio-card/audio-card-for-use-with-raspberry/dp/07X2281 If there is not a case yet, there probably will be soon. Otherwise you may need to make up a DIY solution. Now there's a challenge! Good luck. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
SamS wrote: Thanks for all the great info. Per a message earlier in the thread, the Wolfson is not supported by the piCorePlayer? What software player would you use instead? I think ideally, I'd want piCorePlayer running on a Pi + Hifiberry Digi + case. If someplace sold all of that hardware (or equivalent), I'd be ecstatic! He is working on the Wolfson, but it sounds like there is a *'software hitch' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelitep=777579highlight=wolfson#post777579)*. No idea about the software I am afraid - which is the reason piCorePlayer is such an attractive proposition for me. A UK company is taking pre-orders for a rather utilitarian looking case for the HifiBerry: https://www.digitallivingroom.co.uk/index.php/component/joocommerce/accessories/pre-order-hifiberry-case?Itemid=539 Some rather more funky looking DIY ideas in the HiFiBerry gallery: http://www.hifiberry.com/guides/gallery-of-hifiberry-users-creations/ Cleverest of which is a 3D printed case: http://www.hifiberry.com/2014/06/print-it-yourself-case-for-raspberry-pi-hifiberry-dac/ Probably worth searching Thingiverse for that one. The simplest solution, if you are handy with a soldering iron: http://www.hifiberry.com/products/dac/soldering-hifiberry/ Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
donmacn wrote: thanks guys, I have a spreadsheet too - with all the MAC addresses, IP addresses, device names and so on - it's not that I'm hopelessly disorganised!:D Just to recap though on some things above. I did set the router DHCP and static ranges to avoid conflicts, but I'm increasingly convinced that some construction issues are disrupting the wifi network. Perhaps if I'd addressed this first I wouldn't have had so many issues. I'm struggling for time to install a second WAP for the next few weeks, but when I do, I'm hoping it will make a significant improvement. After that I'll probably try what get.amped has suggested - a smaller range of static addresses, and then reserved DHCP. Watch this space. Thanks I have two WAPs in my house as the front and rear halves of the building are separated by a thick, solid, brick wall top to bottom (with doors between of course!) but luckily not in the loft. I have given them different SSIDs as I could never get the system to work properly with just the one. The main one is perched in the loft above the wall which gives a good signal upstairs and on the rear ground floor, but only a just acceptable signal on the ground floor front. This is enough to serve the internet to mobile devices at the front of the house but not reliable enough for devices like the Receiver. The second (actually my Router) serves just the front of the house and gives an acceptable signal for the Receiver and internet connected TV in my living room. I have hidden the SSID of this WAP so all visiting devices connect to the main one by default. I have powerline networking to the one static PC on the ground floor where the extra bandwidth is useful when copying photos and other large files back and forth to my NAS. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101601 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: You kind of painted yourself into a corner here. You have complicated requirements, particularly point 2. I see 3/4 options: 1) If you let 2 go I would suggest something like plex server on linux. I think it has DLNA features but it doesn't have the complicated browse menus. I have it but don't use DLNA or the music features so not sure how well it works. You possibly need to let go 4 as well. This also means you won't be using LMS. https://plex.tv/(that's 3 requirements down). It has web interfaces and apps though. 2) Use LMS and somehow get it converted to the way you want. Hit's all your points but not 9. I think it will be tricky to set up and difficult to work with. 3) LMS has some upnp functionality. But I have no idea how it works. I think it acts more as a client playing other sources than anything else. Check under settings/advanced/network. It also acts as a server so you should be able to play stuff from your amp already. But it doesn't show up as a player AFAIK. 4) Set up one little box (which you have already in the form of an SB). Get one of the boards for which images exist on this forum. Write that image and you are set to go. Hit's all your points except 7. And most of these are so small you can hide them anyway. I agree with every point you make. The OP seems to be ignoring the existing solutions and suggesting somebody writes him some complex software, free of charge of course, just so he can make use of the otherwise useless DLNA function in his amplifiers. Nice try, but not likely to get him what he wants. The extra Squeezebox device is the least hassle solution and already easily achieved for about £50. With a WiFi enabled Raspberry Pi and PiCorePlayer it is a matter of minutes to build a working player and the Pi is so small that you could easily hide it behind virtually all but the tiniest amp. It is actually smaller than a Receiver, I have two Receivers and I barely notice those as it is! If you want hi-fi you can always solder in a PiDac - which is supported by PiCorePlayer and produces a pretty decent sound by all accounts. True Hi-fi needs a separate DAC, of course, but that would be the same with his system as the DLNA DACs in his amplifiers are unlikely to be a match for even relatively lowly standalone DACs. My only qualm is that every extra box is yet another power supply, plug and set of cables. But you can't have everything... Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Powered Speaker Recommendations?
I am about to buy one of my sons a Raspberry Pi kit with case, WiFi and PSU with the project to build himself a PiCorePlayer based Squeezebox clone - he has been lobbying for a Squeezebox for his bedroom or the kid's den for a while. This is not hi-fi so he will just be using the audio out from the basic Pi or an old surplus Behringer USB DAC that I have lying around. To keep the cable clutter down to a minimum I am thinking of getting powered speakers rather than separate amp and speakers. Anybody have any recommendations or pointers to good review sites? Ideally the budget should not exceed £200 ($300). A couple of line level inputs so he could add an iPod dock at a later stage might be useful - but not essential. There is nothing on his pod that is not on our LMS installation anyway and I have a Spotify account for anything else. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
True static IP addresses are set on the device, not on the router. These must not be set with IPs that are inside the router's DHCP pool. IP addresses attributed to particular devices on the router are reserved out of the DHCP pool and will not be allocated to any other device. It is really just a way of making sure a device gets a particular IP address each time it connects rather than getting the next one available and it is also a good way of avoiding IP address conflicts. Like GetAmped I keep a spreadsheet of all my devices and the IP addresses, MACs etc. I find it invaluable. It always amazes me when I actually write it down how many networked devices I have in my house. However, I differ from him slightly in that I give every fixed / permanent device on my network a fixed IP address. So that is all PCs, Squeezeboxes, NAS, routers, WAPs printers etc. Only portable devices that are likely to be used on several networks get addresses by DHCP, that is usually just smart phones, tablets and laptops. Setting static IPs on the Duet (Receiver + Controller) is particularly painful but I have found their stability massively improved if I do this. I can happily power them on and off and they always reconnect faultlessly. In fact if the router or WAP is playing up they are often the only things that continue to work when everything else is having problems. Using DHCP, even with reserved addresses, is always a bit hit and miss with the Duet. The Touch is probably better in this respect. I would be completely lost if I did not use fixed IPs and my spreadsheet! Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101601 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
Yes, you need Premium for both the Logitech app and the Triode plug in. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech killed Squeezebox were to get a duet
th00ht wrote: After Logitech gracefully has killed Squeezebox I wonder where to get a decent Duet or just a receiver. Do they still produce and ship them? The short answer is no. However, there are software solutions out there now that allow you to use almost any computer as a player that would be easily as good as the Receiver. The established name is Vortexbox. This is a specialist Linux operating system that, when installed on virtually any x86 based PC (including intel Atom processors), turns it into a server and player. Find a mini enough computer to install it on and you will have a player to rival the Receiver. They have a commercial arm that retails PCs with it ready installed, but these are bigger and aimed more at those needing a full server rather than just a player. If you are feeling slightly more adventurous there is a similar Linux based operating system being produced by this community that is aimed more at those needing just a small player. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1 This is designed primarily to work on the ARM based Wandboard range of micro PCs (although it will work with other ARM boards). The Wandboards come as a motherboard with embedded processor and RAM, but the case, PSU and aerial are extra. This has a basic DAC function and audio-out so will produce audio, but for best results you should use an external DAC. John Swenson is also creating a special DAC module for the Wandboards that, hopefully, will make them better than anything Logitech produced. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested My two Receivers are still chugging along nicely and - more importantly - so are the Controllers. There are loads of ways of replacing the Receivers, but nobody is going to create a dedicated controller that is no use for anything else and hence unlikely to go missing (its main attraction as far as I am concerned!). I suppose one day mini Android tablets will get so cheap that they could replace the controller - provided I could somehow lock my children out of nicking them to play games on! Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101506 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
P Nelson wrote: As a project manager, I set my goals and scope early. I then ask if the requested change is scope creep. Is the Sata connector or other recent requests scope creep? Others have answered your substantive points, but I totally agree with the above point. In any project based business scope creep or mission creep is the biggest danger. Set your goals early and tight and stick to them. Try to make sure that any product does not try to be all things to all men, that is an impossible goal. It is important that a product is produced in a reasonable time, even if it is limited in some ways, otherwise your potential customers will just give up waiting make a compromise and go elsewhere. A simple streamer / DAC replacement for the SqueezeBox players *now* (or at least very soon) is better than any all singing all dancing player, server, DAC with HDMI, SATA, USB3 etc etc that only exists on paper and where the product is being pushed further and further into the future. Standing back and watching this thread it does seem to be suffering somewhat from mission creep. Certainly there are lots of demands coming in from users with a special interest or requirements. Luckily JS seems to have the insight to reject requests when they become onerous such as the multi-function LED idea. If I were JS and team I would stick to the Slim Client idea, don't get sidetracked into SATA implementation, server functions or balanced outputs. Get a decently packaged working player out the door as soon as you can. Concentrate on the streaming and DAC side and leave the rest for V2 or V3, if at all. Just my 2p / 2c Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
I don't tend to make playlists that i keep forever, but I do like to make playlists on the fly as I am listening - and then bin the list at the end. However I have always had problems with all controllers, hardware or apps, where if you accidentally press the track button instead of calling up the sub-menu and choosing add to end, then the controller / app replaces the whole list with the tracks from the album containing the selected track. In the case of Orange Squeeze you have to hit the little triangle on the right precisely to call up the sub-menu, otherwise you will erase your carefully assembled playlist. Looking for a way to avoid this I found the Default Play Mode under the Preferences menu of Orange Squeeze. This gives the following options for the action when a track entry is touched:- - Prompt - Play Now - Play Next - Add to Playlist (same as Add to End in the Logitech Controller menu) For me the most useful function was Add to Playlist which I selected. This meant that I was able to select a sequence of tracks simply by touching each track entry. What actually happened is that when I touched an entry all the tracks in that album were added to the playlist, not just the track I had touched. I tried this two or three times and the error was repeatable, but not entirely consistent. Sometimes the individual track was added and sometimes the whole album, but in any case the problem made the setting unusable. My workaround has been to use the Prompt function which brings up the sub-menu when I touch a track, from which I can choose the Add to Playlist option (which works as expected). This is less error prone than trying to hit the little triangle precisely but I would still prefer to use the Add to Playlist option if it worked reliably. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
TheLastMan wrote: Off topic for you, but the most useful thing for us would be a smartphone app which allowed the user to sync/cache music files and playlists from the LMS server to storage on the phone over wi-fi (for off-line use). At the moment I use OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer to play music on my phone when at home, but have to download files manually from the LMS server to a 32GB card on the phone and use a different app to play music while away from my home network. Found that I have an existing App that can go some of the way to doing this. Orange Squeeze, an Android Squeezebox controller app, has the option to download files from your LMS library to your mobile phone. You can also get it to transcode the files to MP3 format at a bit rate you can set. Unfortunately you cannot play the music off line using Orange Squeeze, you will need to launch a separate App to play the music. It also does not do anything I cannot do already using a download app like ES file explorer. I already have my library in MP3 format as well as FLAC so I don't really need the transcode function. What is more the Transcoding is done on the server, and my NAS is not powerful enough to do the transcoding, so this App will only allow me to download the original FLAC files, which are rather too large for my mobile phone. So, in my case, I will stick to manually downloading from the MP3 version of my music library rather using this function. However, if you use a powerful server such as a PC or top-end NAS, then this might be useful as an alternative to manually transcoding and downloading music files to your mobile. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No. Wife and three kids. Nobody minds that all our music is in one place. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? All on a single library on a single NAS. Kids have their own portable devices on which they save their favourite tracks for portability and private listening. If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? See previous answer. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ?Playlists rarely used in this house. Nobody has the time to make them! Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ?Nope. Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ?Nope. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ?Yes. My wife and I have android phones with memory cards and SqueezePlayer/OrangeSqueeze, the two boys have iPod Classics, my daughter has an iPod Touch 3rd Gen with iPeng (including the player function) and a BB with a memory card on which she saves a few MP3s. If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ?Everything controlled by everybody. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ?Remote apps on the two android phones and the iPod Touch. Two Logitech controllers by each of the two Receiver players that are used by everybody. If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ?See previous answer. How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ?No real need for anything different. Off topic for you, but the most useful thing for us would be a smartphone app which allowed the user to sync/cache music files and playlists from the LMS server to storage on the phone over wi-fi (for off-line use). At the moment I use OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer to play music on my phone when at home, but have to download files manually from the LMS server to a 32GB card on the phone and use a different app to play music while away from my home network. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
To db122 Small suggestion. Had you given any thought to making it easier to call up the Lyrics tag? I am in the process of adding lyrics data to all my music (automated using Foobar) and at the moment I have to press and hold on the album art to call up a list of items. Viewing the lyrics tag is the 13th item on the list. Apparently there is a way to do it on iPeng for iOS, perhaps you could look at it and see if it would be worth doing for Android? Best wishes and thanks for providing this great app! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
NeilF wrote: OK. Having a couple of problems with the app :( I'm using this on a 10 android tablet. _*1._Navigating_lists*_ When confronted with a list of thousands of artists, albums or tracks, you obviously want to be able to scroll quicky. I find the tiny scroll widget on the right unfriendly and unreliable. So you have to scroll the list for the widget to appear, and then you have about 1-2 second to put a finger on it to use it. Miss that and you're probably just going to click a track by accident. This alphabetic scroll bar is brilliant, and one of the main attractions of the app. I really have no problem with it at all, but there you go - we are all different! Logitech's own app has a permanent scroll bar, try that. _*2._Playing_or_adding_to_play_list*_ So you've got a load of tracks on the screen, and you want to add them to the playlist. You have to go into each one individually, and then selected + Add to Playlist. Why not have two buttons next to each entry? A + to add to playlist, and a to play now? I can see your point, but the current arrangement means less clutter on the screen and less chance of accidentally pressing the wrong option. _*4._Reorganising_Playlist*_ To drag a track into a different position/order, you have to hold the album art. This is tricky if you're right handed as you obscure your entire view. This is a great function I have not seen on the other SB apps, and I don't find it tricky at all (I am right handed). Sure, part of the item is obscured as you drag it but you can see the whole line move, so no biggie. Perhaps you have big fingers or poor fine motor skills? _*5._Add_options_to_Playlist*_ Similar to 2, why not have a cross to remove an item from a play list displayed towards the end of each line, so you can remove an item with a single click? Really, what is this one about? At the moment it is a two click job and you want to make it a one click job? Is that really so frustrating? I use this on the tiniest Android touch screen phone and those extra options would definitely create an issue with accidentally touching the wrong option. For small phone use this app is laid out very well. The developer could create a different app for tablets. Maybe you should ask nicely! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why shouldn't I jump ship to Sonos?
Reading this thread has made me more and more convinced that I am going to try and hang onto my squeezeboxes for as long as I can keep them functioning. Although I recommend Sonos to my friends, it is only because they cannot miss what they have never had. My only anxiety is how I will keep it all working once the MySB web site is dead and gone and what I will lose. I know that I will continue to get Spotify and BBC iPlayer via Triode's plugins (my most used music services) but I will miss Last.fm and the ability to browse radio stations rather than having to add each url one by one into favourites, which would be a real drag! Here's hoping some kind individual will create a plugin to replace this function. A slim hope (pun intended) is that if Logitech drop the UE Smart Radio as well, that will be their last use of the Squeezebox technology gone. They then might be prepared to sell the intellectual property rights in the technology to some other company who might resurrect the original SB ecosystem. I am sure in the right corporate hands Squeezebox could compete with absolutely anything out there. This time, hopefully, this would be a hi-fi company rather than a PC peripherals manufacturer. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98235 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
ciarpame wrote: Installed DSbridge on Windows 7 32bit and it worked at first try, very easy. My LMS is 7.7.2 running on Arm-based readynas. On LMS I can see artist and track title but not track duration (track it's just an infinite stream, as playing a web radio) and not cover art. Since dsbridge has not be updated since 2009 I suspect it's no more able to get cover art from last spotify version. Is there anyone here that can see cover art? Thanks for your help. No, cover art does not work, and only worked for a couple of months when DSBridge first appeared. This is really just playing a stream of data from your PC as if it were an internet radio station. Personally I have moved over to Spotify Premium using Triode's brilliant plugin. The ability to run Spotify without a PC makes it so much easier to use. I use it a lot so it is well worth the £10 a month to me, but your mileage may vary. DSBridge is fine if your use is only occasional and you don't mind booting up a PC to run it. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why shouldn't I jump ship to Sonos?
castalla wrote: Just add http://opml.radiotime.com as a Favourite - you get a decent version of Tunein that way (without Tunein presets 'tho). Excellent, thanks Castalla and Erland, that at least is one issue sorted. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98235 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
My own contribution: HARMONIUM [image: http://www.delhimusics.com/exotichub/cotion/imguplod/tvr-mangini/harmonium-14.jpg] originally an Accordion in a box. In other words a squeezbox in a box! Otherwise +1 for SlimBox, although that is possibly a bit close to SlingBox TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
CharlieG wrote: I liked Phoenix Music Streamer...until I realized the acronym would be PMS :) Having Music Streamer in the name might help with marketing in the long term tho. The last few posts remind me of a Douglas Adams's Hitch Hiker story that humans are the descendants of exiled Golgafrinchan management consultants, hair dressers, telephone sanitizers and marketing executives. The Golgafrinchan race thought they would be so much better off without all the useless service sector workers and middle management. So they stuck them on a space ship and shot them across the galaxy. They eventually landed on the Earth where they set about trying to establish civilization. There was a marketing executive character who was working on developing the wheel but she was struggling to get started because she couldn't decide what colour it should be. I think Mr Adams may have been on to something... TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: If there is a designer reading this thread, I'd really love a nice case designed for it which we could order through http://www.shapeways.com/ or similar sites. Prototypes only I presume? Seeing as this will essentially be a small black box with no display or control switching then let form follow function and keep it simple. No design really necessary. A rectangular metal box to fit round the PCB (which will dictate the size) with a plate at the back for the ports. On/off power switch and light on the front panel would be handy too. Possibly a set of status LEDs rather than the Receivers single light would be good. One to indicate power, one to indicate network (wi-fi or cable) is connected and one to indicate a link to a server. Personally I like extruded aluminium cases with a nice solid slab of brushed aluminium as a facia either silver or with a black finish to match existing hi-fi equipment. Something like this? (obviously without volume control) 14355 What do others think? +---+ |Filename: Topping amp.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14355| +---+ TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I see little reason to build a displayless SB replacement without an internal DAC and analog out. Otherwise, the only thing it such a device might have over the current DIY solutions built on PCs with USB output is a high quality S/PDIF out. I would see the necessary I/O as: - analog L/R - optical S/PDIF - coax S/PDIF - USB - ethernet - wifi +1 Everybody who reads these forums is an enthusiast, but few are geeks. Most of us could cope with buying a box and following some step-by-step instructions to install a pre-packaged linux distro and software player (similar to the Vortexbox project) but that would be about the limit. Remember some of us have wives and an ugly Pogoplug device with a totally uncoordinated USB DAC hanging off the back won't cut the decor mustard. Ideally the thing should be at least passably attractive and small enough to be nearly invisible anyway. We were prepared to pay £150/$200+ for our Squeezeboxes so we can afford this for a replacement, so a $30 player is unnecessarily cheap! Most would be prepared to pay an extra £100 in order not to have to spend 30 hours making several attempts at hacking linux to get the thing to work! Most stereo hi-fi amps do not have integrated DACs so the device will definitely need a DAC, but it only needs to be as good as the Receiver or Touch. If you want better you can buy a hi-fi DAC (as opposed to a computer audio DAC). I really like the look of the CuBox: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox In design terms it is so nearly there. Add a halfway decent audio chip and it would be a done deal for me if you could download pre-packaged software to go on it. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
maggior wrote: So, when the time comes I need to move on and only a closed system is available and it does everything I need to do well, I'll be OK with that. I'm interested to see what develops over the next year. My only problem with Sonos is that they don't have *' Triode' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only))* on their development team! His BBC iPlayer and Spotify plug-ins are the two most used plug-ins on my Squeezeboxes. In fact I reckon about 50% of my family's total listening time is accounted for with just those two facilities. Sonos do not have an iPlayer app at all and their Spotify app is not a patch on Triode's plug-in. If my Squeezeboxes fail, or Triode's plug-ins stop working, then I will be bereft... :( I am sorely tempted to pick up some back-up Squeezeboxes just in case, but if the plug-ins stop working before the Squeezeboxes do then that would be a waste of money. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
SBGK wrote: keep an eye on the squeezelite thread, seems to be evolving rapidly. Thanks for the heads up. Had not spotted that thread before. The guy is obviously a genius! I was aware that I could install a software player on a mini-PC, and that one comes bundled with Vortexbox anyway. I am not looking for the eptiome of small and cheap. I am quite happy to install Vortexbox on something like a Zotac atom based mini-PC if necessary, provided it will sync securely with other players. I suppose I am more worried about Triode deciding to retire from supporting his plugins. However the Squeezelite project gives me hope that he has not given up yet. What does this guy do for a living? Where does he find the time to do this stuff? He should start asking for donations. I think he might be surprised at how many use his plugins and are prepared to show their gratitude financially in order to secure continued plug-in support, particularly those of us in the UK. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Thanks for the detailed feedback Erland, interesting to see what motivates you guys. I will keep an eye on Squeezlite. Most of the issues appear to be around making it work on low power devices. If it works easily with something like a Zotac Zbox then I will probably go that route in the future if I need a replacement for my Receivers. I am quite happy with a decent analogue out. For those of us with full time jobs, wives also in full time work and kids (in my case three under 12) time poor is an appropriate description. I am hardly cash rich either, but am more able to provide a bit of cash than I am time for beta testing, etc. Very happy to give positive feedback though, and have done a few times as far as Triode is concerned. I note your comment about donations being as much of a burden as a benefit, and I can understand that. Rest assured, there are lots of us out here who appreciate the Squeezebox plug-in developers. You guys are in serious danger of creating a fully open source music streaming system. I can even see a small cottage industry developing in providing low volume, high quality, Squeezebox players and servers with pre-installed Linux OS and software that can be sold to those of us without the time, inclination or expertise to build our own. If Agillis can do it with Vortexbox then there is room for others, I am sure. The big challenge will be keeping LMS working once Logitech turns off the MySB servers. Any chance of that? Or would it be curtains for the Squeezebox? erland wrote: It's all about priorities, reality shows on TV and sleeping 12 hours per day is generally overrated ;-) Wow! Chance wouild be a fine thing. Very fine! :) Live long and prosper... (please!) TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...
A (very) minor irritation for me is that Squeeze Player will start up randomly for no obvious reason. Usually I am away from home so not using any of the three SqueezeBox controller apps I have installed, or any other music apps (Last.fm, Poweramp, Spotify) yet Squeeze Player will start up and sit there for a while in the notification bar before terminating itself. Any idea what might be causing this? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
I am probably being totally dense and missing the blindingly obvious, but I cannot find a button for the + context menu anywhere? This is available on the browser interface, the hardware Controller and Squeeze Commander but I cannot find it on Orange Squeeze. It is a notable absentee on the official app and it is the only reason why, despite its horribly un-intuitive user interface, that I continue to use Squeeze Commander. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
kidstypike wrote: Just press and hold for a second or two on any Artist, Album, Track, or Album art. Ah... I knew it must be there somewhere! I have turned on the context sensitive tips until I get used to it. Love the interface by the way, very intelligent use of the space in portrait mode. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
andynormancx wrote: [snip] The Sony is indeed a bargain, but there -are- reasons it is much cheaper than the iPod (beyond purely Apple's higher profit margins). When it comes down to it the iPod touch isn't really competing with the Sony. People who want a 32GB MP3 player/Internet device are mostly going to go and consider the iPod touch first, it is going to occur to very few normal people to go and buy an £80 Android phone and stick 32GB of microSD in it, most people wouldn't even know that is possible. I agree that the iPod Touch is a very advanced device, and the screen is clearly a winner. But as a pure music player it is over-kill. I suppose the real comparison is between the Sony Tipo and the iPod Nano. They have a similar list price of around £125 but the Sony can be bought for a street price of £80 whereas the Nano is almost never discounted significantly. The Nano has the advantage of being smaller, lighter and metal, but that is about it. For a start the Sony is a cell phone so has access to the web, email, maps and music/video download and streaming away from WiFi networks. It has a better screen, a camera, double the memory, longer battery life, a similar processor etc etc. I disagree with your point about the microSD card. Two other people at work have just bought Android phones and the first thing both did was to put in a 32GB card. The two biggest annoyances with any Apple mobile device is the fixed battery and the inability to expand the storage. The way Apple price the pods and pads according to their memory content is little short of criminal. How can they justify charging an extra £80 (the price of an entire Sony mobile phone!) for the 64GB iPod Touch compared to the 32GB version? If they made the batteries replaceable and had expandable storage then they might lose a bit on the margin but would remove two of the main reasons people go with the Android system. They would well and truly shoot Google's fox! Very short sighted marketing. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Moving on...
Just got a glimpse of the future, and it is phone shaped. I have been a bit late to the smartphone market. I have an old 2nd generation iPod Touch but it was a bit sluggish with apps so did not really go far down that route. My cell phone contract came up for renewal and I needed to economise so ditched my 3 year old Nokia and expensive contract and bought the cheapest Android ICS phone I could find on a £10.50 sim only monthly tariff which has twice the minutes of my old contract, unlimited texts and 500MB data for 2/3 of the monthly cost of my old contract. The phone is a Sony Xperia Tipo which cost £80 + £10 for a 32GB microSD card bringing the total cost to around a 1/3 that of a new 32GB iPod Touch and only 2/3 of a 16GB Nano! In the face of the competition how Apple can justify those prices beats me. The screen of the Tipo is quite small but is very slick. Apps are noticeably quicker to respond than my old iPod and although a bit fiddly I am getting used to typing - landscape mode helps. But wow! how things have moved on... The phone side is so much more capable than the Nokia, with all my e-mail and texts in one place, all my contacts stored in the Google cloud (and backed up of course) and a shared calendar with my wife (life saver!). This gives me all the old PDA functions with knobs on - and automatically synced between phone and PC. On the apps side my requirement is for a mainly audio stuff so I have already installed Spotify, Squeeze Player, Squeeze Commander, official Squeezebox app, Last.fm, PodTrapper, BBC iPlayer and TrackID - not to mention converting about 70% of my music to 120kbps VBA MP3 and dropping it onto the SD card which only half fills it, leaving room for photos and video. I even have access to my full music collection on my NAS from anywhere with a mobile or wi-fi signal using a handy Synology app. Installed a few games to play while I listen to the music too. And of course there is the maps and GPS and I have added a compass app (which has come in handy already!). ..oh and there is a camera of course. The crunch bit for Logitech is that with the Squeezebox app and Squeeze Player I now have a free Squeezebox - and if I bought a bluetooth speaker it would not be much different from a SB Radio. I am beginning to understand now how Logitech might have felt it was not worth making any more SB hardware if you can effectively get it all for free on your phone. In fact I am surprised they even bothered with the UE Radio. The one thing this does not do, of course, is hi-fi quality reproduction and reliable multi-room synch. There is still a place for a SB Touch / Receiver type device - which is where, unfortunately, Sonos are now going to take over. Ho hum. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
bhaagensen wrote: Oh, and several other things such that your home is left without a music-system when your phone=you is not available for music-playback :) Also Im not reading you clear when you on one hand say you understand Logitech for leaving a product one can get for free, and on the other hand say that there *is* a market (for Sonos and such) to take over? Sure, it is not a replacement for a streamed music system - just makes it difficult to justify buying more Squeezeboxes, particularly the mobile ones like the Boom or Radio. There will always be a place for a static streamer but SB has more competition these days from Apple AirPlay and DLNA as well as Sonos. Also, if you want to pay too much money, there are plenty of hi-fi streamers out there. Some, like Linn, even offer multi-room sync. In that environment you can the Squeezebox market share gradually being eaten into. You also forget that in most modern homes there is more than one smartphone. My wife has one and my daughter is angling for one. My eldest son would love one but he would spend every hour of the day playing games on it. I already have to hide the iPod Touch! ModelCitizen wrote: Smart phone and/or tablet = controller and/or player and has done for a long time now Does it ever worry you that you are so far behind? :D Its my age you know, we oldies are slower on the uptake... I was on a two year phone contract and didn't really bother looking around until it was coming to an end. My wife has a 2 year old HTC Wildfire Android phone, but that obviously was not mine to play with! She is also rather less interested in the tech than me. She wanted an iPhone, because all her friends have them, but decided it was too expensive and went with the poor man's iPhone as she calls it. She just uses it for calls, text, e-mail and calendar duties. She didn't even possess a pair of headphones before I bought her some last week! AFAIK it has only been possible to use an Android phone as player since May 2011 when Bluegaspode launched his little app. But I suppose 18 months is an absolute age in technology these days. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...
Mick Seymour wrote: Do the tracks have replay gain data in them? LMS can only use it if the information is there. It isn't something the player does AFAIK. When the file is encoded replay gain (RG) data has to be added for the system to work. I use dBPoweramp with the RG plug-in when ripping CDs. The player can then either interpret the RG data in the file and apply it - or ignore it. However it is up to the player whether it is used or not, so in that sense it is something the player does. I have it set up to work with playlists but not when listening to an album. That is an option you can set in LMS. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
bhaagensen wrote: Yes, I think I'm with you. Though I think you are overlooking one important aspect the Squeezebox-brand [had...]. Namely a unique status as a high-fidelity, high-quality, feature rich (almost complete), very reasonably priced streaming solution. [snip] As I said I dont think any other brand had such a good standing. Its all shattered and laying on the floor now though Yes, all absolutely true. In fact in terms of features (plug-ins etc) the competition are not even half-way there, and likely never will be as most, like AirPlay and Sonos, are closed proprietary protocols. Unfortunately not enough people are sophisticated, like wot you am and I is, and aren't prepared to invest the time and effort into a SB system in order to get the best out of it. Most people just want to choose music and press the play button. Still, as long as the LMS server is running on my NAS and my two Receivers hold out then I will stick with it for my static streamers. They made a few mistakes though, the Duet being the biggest one as it was such a bast@ard to set up and was buggy as hell until about the fifth firmware upgrade. Set up properly using net-UDAP mine have been super-reliable for over three years now, but I could easily have binned them in anger lots of times before that. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
ModelCitizen wrote: Well I'm 52. :-) Ah, but obviously young at heart! (so am I by the way) I've had iPhones for a few years now, and also have a Google Nexus 7. My wife (whose phone I borrow as and when) has an HTC desire and son an iPod. We use iPeng on the Apple devices (although the latest update has confused us and is very flaky on my 3GS) and Orange Squeeze/Logitech App on the Androids. They all work supremely well as controllers (really knock the spots off *all* the Logitech hardware devices in terms of usability and ui design) and the iDevices work well as players (with disparate docking stations). My favourite is the Google Nexus with Orange Squeeze (and Squeeze Player), as the now playing screen looks so good, the app is so straightforward and fast and the Nexus 7 a useful all round device for having around the house (perfect screen size for aging eyes, fits in cargo pant pockets). I run one server and have multiple wireless repeaters so the wireless signal stretches over a couple of acres (to garage, workshop, barby area and pond). Having looked at the iPhone 5 I suspect that the (expensive) iPhone series is past its sell by date. With the Nexus 7 Google finally managed to get their Android OS to iOS standard (and in many ways I now prefer it). So for me, it'll be Android phone and tablets as controllers and to a smaller degree as players from now on. and when I've finally finished off my house and re-bought some Naim audio stuff I'll resurrect the Squeezebox Plus. Still like the Radio, Boom and Classic though but no time for the Duet (and certainly not the hideous Controller) and the Touch is just a bit of a white elephant (makes a nice clock though). A lot of expensive high-tech stuff there. Your 52 years have obviously been more lucrative than mine. I think you are a bit mean to the controller - it was quite cool in its day and would have been bleeding edge tech if it had come out a year or so earlier. However it was launched just after the first iPhone and iPod Touch so was very quickly outshone by them when used with iPeng. Its biggest problem was not its looks but its reliability - which was a disaster to begin with. Ours is still ugly, and the wheel is impossible if text searching, but it is now reliable and fine when picking music if no text entry is required. It is still used more than my iPod Touch with iPeng in our house simply because the iPod Touch has usually been snaffled by some kid and is nowhere to be found. The Controller, because it has no other use, can always be found in its dock. I will use my phone as a controller, but my wife has had the app on hers for about a year now and I often find her with the phone in one hand and the Controller in the other. You can lead a horse to water... TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
ModelCitizen wrote: Well I'm 52. :-) ...and the Touch is just a bit of a white elephant (makes a nice clock though). Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying that you no longer use it as a streamer? Or just that just the screen is superfluous? If my amplifier and speakers are static there is no need for the player to be mobile or in a dock. In fact, with my kids, probably better that it is wired in and can't be used for games or facebook. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
ModelCitizen wrote: Both of my Controllers are bricks. Won't charge. I've changed the batteries but they just run out and never recharge. The bases are OK and so are the devices. The connections between them make. It's baffling. That's a shame. When I drop mine into its dock the screen brightens and it makes a small beep to indicate it has made a connection and is charging. I presume yours don't? Sounds like some wiring has come adrift internally that links the charging connections on the base with the battery. Odd that it should happen on both units, not heard of that before. I have heard of Controllers where the base charging contacts do not properly contact those on the Controller itself, as I am sure you have too as you say the connections are OK. I am sure you will have pursued the bit of paper stuffed down the back fix or the get them to send you a new base fix. Mine has been a pretty robust unit given all the abuse heaped on it by the family. Food covered hands have been the biggest hazard, along with red wine (my fault), blu-tack (my youngest thought it would be better wall mounted) and guinea pig wee (don't ask). I bought a spare battery but have not needed it yet and, luckily, somebody told me early on to set the screen saver to off as the screen darkens over time if used to display pretty patterns, the news, a clock or whatever. Just before they announced SB was to be discontinued Superfi were selling Controllers off at £60. A bargain compared to the RRP so I bought one as a backup. If, as seems likely, we all end up with smartphones it will probably just gather dust. Probably not one of my wisest purchases! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Although I voted for sub $500 here, I doubt that is actually the route I would go down. First of all I haven't totally given up on Logitech's UE route yet. I still think it likely that they will produce a higher quality player with RCA analog and digital output stages. I know the control system and plugin support is will be poor relation to the SB line, but for me that is less important than player synch and a proper ecosystem with full support for radio and third party apps. Mind you, rather than going with UE or some unsupported SB system, I think it is more likely I will go with Sonos especially as I am very unlikely to get anywhere near its 65,000 track limit. To replicate my current system in Sonos kit I would need 2 Sonos Connects (to replace the Receivers) and a ZoneBridge - altogether around £600 which is not much more than two SB Touches. I will probably leave this to until it was totally essential (either the hardware fails or Triode's Spotify and BBC iPlayer plugins stop working) as it would seriously irk me to replace my more capable SB setup with a considerably less capable Sonos one. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
Labarum wrote: Not going there - it's rip off country. I agree, despite owning some fantastic Naim amps. Streaming is computer technology - there is nothing mystical about it that needs hi-fi expertise. Buy one of their DACs if you wish, or an amp with an inbuilt DAC, but just plug a SB Touch into it. The sound quality is dependent on the DAC - the digital out from the SB is just a stream of noughts and ones. BTW, the DACs in the SB devices aren't half bad for a start. Never felt the need to go down the separate DAC route myself. But then my hearing is the limiting factor these days! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How long have your SB's lasted?
banned for life wrote: Keep in mind that the life span of a lithium ion battery begins with it's manufacture, not when you start using it. To prolong the life of the spares, fully charge them and then discharge to about 40% and then store in a cool place. Repeat this process now and then. bfl Thanks for the tip! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96314 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
After much deliberation and reading of this forum - my strategy is to continue to use my SB Receivers and Controllers until either they break or Triode's Spotify and BBC iPlayer plugins stop working. By that time I am hopeful that there will be a decently functional alternative. I cannot see a reason to rush into anything now. The more I think about it the more I wonder if MySqueezebox.com will continue for a lot longer than we anticipate. As the UESmartRado.com and MySqueezebox.com web sites are so similar, what is the extra cost of running MSB.com alongside the newer site? They will both be offering the same services after all. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
johnas wrote: Sonos has discontinued their dedicated controller. The cr200 suffered from widespread touch screen failures (see their forums).Two families I know with Sonos systems have long since replaced any controllers they had with apps on their iPads. Neither regrets the move. Two others with Play:3 and Play:5 boom boxes never had the controller and have always used the iPad. Interestingly none of them have ever used the iPhone or Android Sonos controller apps. I might ask them why and report back. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How long have your SB's lasted?
Agent Smith wrote: How long have you had your Squeezeboxes for?Duet since 18 March 2008 which is a tad under 4.5 years. Second receiver added August 2008. How long do you reckon they'll last before a chip burns up or it just stops powering on for no apparent reason?Not a clue. Hopefully not too soon. If it stops powering up maybe that will just be the PSU, which can be easily replaced. I'm hoping 10 years.I'm hoping *another* 10 years! I am also hoping that somebody will find a way of making more music services run on LMS unofficially, even if MySB.com is turned off. Otherwise I can see myself running two systems side-by-side, which will be a pita. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96314 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How long have your SB's lasted?
garym wrote: I hope I last 10 years. ;-) Ditto! That brought me right down to earth with a bump Gary. Puts all this Squeezebox nonsense in its proper context. Carpe diem and all that... TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96314 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
agillis wrote: VortexBox has 5 built in players so there is no need for hardware players. I can keep my system running forever. How well do Vortexboxes Synchronise with each other? And will they do gapless playback? If you only have one soundcard, how do the 5 players work? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How long have your SB's lasted?
Mnyb wrote: Controllers battery is not very long lived , luckily it is the same as some popular Harmony remotes , so it won't get out of stock for a while , some chargers for controllers also have a connection problem. Newer ones don't, and it is possible to bend contacts in the dock to make it work - search the forums for instructions (rather old now). I have a spare Controller and two spare batteries. Should last me a while! The Controller is still the most used way of selecting music in my household. It has no alternative use for the kids (unlike an iPod Touch or phone) so never strays far from the dock. The Controller screen also dims over time - something to do with the backlight I suspect. You can stave this off almost indefinitely if you use the blank screensaver option. And finally... do what I did and buy a spare. My current Controller has been heavily abused by my kids - dropped onto wooden floor several times, sat on, slept on, variously covered in food, mud, Guinea Pig (Cavey) droppings and pee. It is still working fine - even polishes up quite well! So if it can survive that lot and still work after nearly 5 years then it is probably good for another two or three - particularly as the kids are now slightly more sensible than they were 4 years ago. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96314 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
mherger wrote: Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify? No, all services still depend on mysb.com -- Michael Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode. I don't see WiMP on the list of apps in the UK. I presume it is only available regionally to SE, DK, NO and DE? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
JJZolx wrote: I'm probably forgetting a few things, but: - much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC - better S/PDIF, with lower jitter - MUCH better audio syncing with other Squeezeboxes - IR remote control giving instant ability to skip, repeat, shuffle, change volume, as well select music, without a need for a smart phone, tablet or other wifi device - touch control, with no need to even find the remote - a color display of what's playing - very low energy use You can get some of this functionality with a PC and smart phone or other wifi device, but it _requires_ using the wifi device. IMHO the Touch was the epitome of Squeezebox and its most usable product with its four possible interfaces (screen, remote, smartphone/pad or PC). I imagine Logitech will want to use most, if not all, of the above features in a new UE player. Logitech's Michael Herger made the recent comment in a reply in the Radio forum: mherger wrote: Squeezemenicely wrote: Will there be a UE Touch? Not the Touch as we know it. -- Michael So there will be a dumbed down Touch of some sort. How good it is depends on how much of your list they retain. I think they are gunning for Sonos with this kit. Simple to set up and use, less complex and more reliable than Squeezebox but with a lot less functionality. Random play and the like will depend on the various apps and services. It may be possible for a lot of the old SB / LMS functionality to be made available via special apps or hacks once the old SB plug-ins team get to work ;) TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
mherger wrote: Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's plugin isn't an option. -- Michael Ah, I understand now, thanks. Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or will it be more like browsing your Music Folder under LMS? If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according to a chosen time scale? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
mherger wrote: It'll be what it'll be. -- Michael So there -*will*- be an *it* then! ;) Just kidding, I understand the constraint you are under and we all really appreciate your candour and helpfulness in posting to this forum and don't want to get you into trouble. I hope Logitech appreciate your efforts and make it worth your while sticking around. Thanks! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
On the presumption that Logitech produces a Touch-like player under the UE brand (standalone, unamplified, high sound quality, RCA analogue and digital out, multi-room sync) there is nothing to stop anybody running both the SB and UE systems side-by-side if necessary. Most amplifiers have more than one aux input! If you wanted to listen to internet radio or streaming services you could use the UE. If you wanted to random play from selected genres in a local music collection you could use your Squeezboxen. That is really no different from having a separate Tuner and CD player. A bit of step backwards, but not terminal. The situation with the Radio is, of course, rather different. Personally I don't own one but would probably be happy to make do with the UE version if I did. I reckon anyway that before my Squeezeboxen expire, either UE will have developed into a system almost as capable as LMS, or another company will step into the niche vacated by Logitech. Just my humble opinion of course... TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
nervoteso wrote: i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one? The plug-in replacement for streaming apps and internet radio would be the preferred solution, provided somebody has the desire and expertise to do the work. Personally I doubt this will happen. Most people with the expertise could probably command high financial rewards for doing that kind of work, and I doubt they would be prepared to put too much time in for free. This is serious stuff, a lot more than hobby computing. I would be very happy to be proved wrong though! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why? It is not dead yet, just has been told it has only two years to live and that it won't be able to have any more children! Two years is a long time in technology, not only will new products come along but Logitech have time to develop and improve the UE lineup and there is always Sonos. I doubt I will buy a streaming solution from one of the hi-fi manufacturers, these are generally grossly overpriced, although I might buy a DAC for whatever solution I do eventually choose if it has a digital output. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
mrfantasy wrote: ... the important thing is maintaining the Slim protocol and ensuring new servers and clients can be developed to it. --MikeWhy? Squeezebox will be a dead system. Other systems will come along to replace and supersede it, maybe not immediately but within a couple of years somebody (maybe even Logitech) will realise it is possible to do audio a lot better and cheaper than Sonos. In time they will do it better and cheaper than Squeezebox too. Personally I had a love-hate relationship with Squeezebox. The early days of the Duet were dire, with one catastrophic sever software update making the system unusable for about 3 months until they produced a fixed one. I think the setup and web config pages are too geeky and over-complicated for 99% of users who simply aren't interested. I like the idea of plugins, but would prefer an Apple App or Android / Google Play way of doing it with only approved Apps / plugins making it through. With some care and attention to their market the UE line has the potential to carry on where SB left off - but in a more consumer friendly way that would make the whole system more attractive to the mass market and more sustainable in the long term. They will have to produce a proper hi-fi player like the Touch though - with analogue stereo and digital outputs - otherwise I will look elsewhere for any replacement. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: I often wondered about this. So you say the SBs are rarely spotted. Do you see many Sonos systems (in absolute terms) ? I have four friends with Sonos and two who bought Squeezebox. Two bought the Sonos on my recommendation (I was having a hard time with SB at the time) and the other two after they saw the first two's systems. The two SB owners are fellow computer geeks who bought after seeing my system, but not on my recommendation. My only comment was caveat emptor! One bought a Duet the other a Touch. None of the Sonos owners are tech minded, all wanted easy plug and play and two got them professionally installed. All four are very satisfied with their systems, three have extended them, all still use them and all are now using iPads as controllers. The SB Touch owner bought a Naim steamer for his hi-fi (he has an otherwise fully Naim hi-fi) and relegated the SB to his study. He never bought another SB device after the Touch. The Duet owner ditched the system altogether and now uses iPod docks which fit better with his wife and three daughters needs. The whole family all have either iPhones or iPod touches and have independent music collections held on laptops. Last time we went to a BBQ there he showed off his new Bluetooth radio thingy which was happily playing music from the iPhone in his pocket. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: Because the slim protocol does work pretty damn well. I for one will not regress to DLNA or this kind of nonsense. Maybe future versions of airplay or the elusive android@home protocols will be able to supersede it. I haven't lost hope that Logitech will develop the UE setup sufficiently to replace the core SB functionality (which is all *I* personally require). It is after all based on the LMS server software and the new Radio is clearly SB hardware. Sure, if you want SB with all the bells and whistles then I wish you good luck keeping the system alive. I think you will quickly find that most people will move on. For 99% of buyers music streaming does not have to be as complicated as Squeezebox made it. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Mnyb wrote: I know only one person irl that have either , me ? Never seen a live Sonos system and actually never anyone elses Squeezebox system either . I'm rudimentary sociable and able to make friends ;) so it is not that I'm an isolated geek that only know 1 person irl. It must be because most of the people I mix with are a lot richer than me! The guys who bought the Sonos systems all like their toys. I started it all with the SB duet with two Receivers, kitchen and living room. We held a party where I synced the two which impressed a friend. He is very well off and not at all tech savvy so I recommended Sonos. He got a professional to install a whole house system with wall and ceiling mounted speakers in living room, kitchen, bathroom (!) and main bedroom. Each room had its own controller. I shudder to think how much it all cost. I referred the second guy to the first, and he installed a less comprehensive system for his kitchen and living room. The next two Sonos families, both friends of the first guy, use the little standalone boom box Play:3 and Play:5. I would describe none of them either as true music lovers or in any way geeky. They just use the systems for background music and parties. To them, hi-fi was an '80s rack system and s last millennium. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
garym wrote: All of my iphone/ipod stuck in a speaker doc friends are easily one-percenters. I don't see any correlation between income/wealth and willingness to invest in quality audio (either now, the 1980s, or the 1960s for that matter). With the greatest respect, that is rather a daft statement. Willingness to invest is one thing, *ability* to invest is entirely another. If you want to install a whole house audio system made by Sonos, you need a bit of cash lying around. Most people can afford a couple of iPod docks though. You are right to this extent, what kit people want or need to play their music the way that suits them has nothing to do with their income. But their ability to buy that kit certainly does. The fact that your one percenter friends only buy iPod docks is because they don't want or need anything more expensive. I bet there are few among your ninety nine percenter friends who would love to buy a high end system but cannot afford to do so. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: What a coup for Sonos this is gonna be. Not really, I doubt Sonos have considered SB to be a much of a threat since the Touch was released. Sonos have pretty much had the field to themselves. The reviews for the Touch were stellar over here, but I have never known such a good product have so little marketing. Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent retailers ever stocked the full range. What were Logitech thinking? Invest all that money in a brand and then let it waste away? Appalling management. Whoever was responsible for that should be shot - or sacked at the very least. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Official Logitech Announcement re new UE *and* support for Squeezebox Players
Letten wrote: Before mysqueezebox.com came along (as an option for people who didn't like/need a local server) we did just fine. Why should that not be possible again? It is possible if you only play music from your own library, not so great if you play internet radio or use one of the subscription music services. Currently I only use Spotify via Triode's plugin and BBC iPlayer, also via a Triode plugin! Somebody should start paying this guy. Hopefullly, as neither relies on Mysqueezebox.com, they will continue to work. I have never had much interest in internet radio and one streaming service is more than enough. I imagine that once MSB goes some enthusiasts will chip in and provide plugins to add back the most missed services. This won't last forever though. I expect most of us will have new kit in five years time. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right now, but my gut tells me that they won't be around for too much longer. I have a backup Controller I bought a few months back for £70, mainly because it is the most vulnerable bit of hardware due to its being handled, dropped, thrown, sat on, smeared with food and othewise abused by my young family. I bought it because I foresaw the end of Squeezebox some time back and was ready to pounce when the clearance sales hit the UK stores in May this year. It is still in its box because the Controller is obviously a lot more resilient than it looks! I am not unduly worried about my Receivers. They just sit there and work. Likewise LMS on my Synology NAS. Hopefully Logitech will make a reasonable sounding and not too expensive replacement for the Touch which I can buy as replacements for my Receivers at some point. By then I imagine the whole family will have smartphones to use instead of the Controller. I have no emotional attachment to the Squeezebox line. The only thing I need it to do is play my music library, synchronise if necessary and give me access to a couple of on-line music services. I have had my Duet with two receivers for 4 years now and I think it has more than repaid the £375 investment already. If Logitech UE offers a replacement that does those things then (if one or both Receivers stop working) I might just go with it, particularly if it stays a lot cheaper than Sonos. Squeezebox may be dropped as a name, but I am sure that the most important and innovative parts of its technology will live on under the UE banner - particularly if they are better than, or equal to, the Sonos alternative. For instance secure multi-room synch over Wi-Fi is simply too compelling a feature to drop. If the worst comes to the worst I will buy Sonos - although I am sure I will resent having to pay so much for inferior goods! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
dasmueller wrote: I for one am a dinosaur and will not willingly go the rental route. I enjoy the flexibility of being able to do what I wish w the CD/hard copies or downloaded files that I have. I am not willing to rely on someone else to provide that flexibility for me. There is too much flux in technology to make me comfortable that the landlord will be there tomorrow. +1 I love the streaming model and use it extensively for checking out new music. However Spotify have yet to turn a profit and it is doubtful that unlimited streaming for as little as $10 a month is sustainable in the long term. I think quite soon we may see sharp rises in the cost of on-line music access combined with more rigorous enforcement against pirates. In the UK P2P is already severely constricted by most IPs making getting music through illegal torrents impractical. I have also analysed the quality of the streams from Spotify as they sometimes sound rather strange through my hi-fi, particularly when compared with a CD rip of the same recording. It is quite clear that many streams are not 320kbs and pretty well all have dynamics squashed through heavy compression. Spotify sound is closer to low quality FM Radio than CD. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
I doubt there will be any new and exclusively audio SqueezeBox based hardware in future. We might see an upgraded version of the Touch and/or radio but nothing totally new. I think it is most likely, however, that the Squeezebox branded Radio will go and be replaced with a much simpler and less ambitious Logitech branded internet radio that incorporates SB player circuitry that would allow you to utilize LMS or MySqueezebox without being dependent on either. I am sure Logitech will eventually drop the Squeezebox brand but keep the Squeezebox functionality. To me the blindingly obvious clue is the transformation of Squeezebox Server into Logitech Media Server with its dual DLNA and Squeezebox capabilities. I foresee Squeezebox functionality being built into future streamers / players that are likely to have a dual audio and video streaming role. I am sure Logitech will find a use for LMSs ability to play a multitude of codecs (either natively or trans-coded) as well as its multi-room and gapless playback abilities. They would be fools not to! SqueezeBox circuitry (or at least logic) is likely to be utilized in future products. LMS and MySqueezebox (MyLogitech?) will live on in order to provide links to peoples private music collections (locally or in the Cloud) as well as to the online services like Rhapsody and Spotify. However, Logitech will allow their players to also utilize users other DLNA servers as well in order to maximize their compatibility. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
maggior wrote: I read 3 and thought uh, that's the Boom, but then I realized you meant something you can connect your own speakers too. In the world of powered speakers, would that really be necessary. Somebody that is inclined to buy their own passive speakers would also be inclined to buy their own amplification. Maybe I'm wrong.About 90% of speakers made and sold through your usual consumer electronics retailers are passive. The only active speakers most people have easy access to are the cheap ones that are sold for computers. Three of the four Sonos systems I have seen were professionally installed multi-room setups with speakers mounted high up on walls or built in to the ceiling. These need amplification and it made the installation a lot simpler to use amplified Sonos boxes. I'm amazed that Sonos has jumped ahead of Logitech with this. Logitech had a huge head start and certainly the brand power to see it through. It upsets me when I go to my local department store (Target) and see a large prominent Sonos display. Sonos is also so expensive!!Totally agree! Mind you most of the people I know who have bought Sonos don't really have to worry about money! I remember talking to one and said that I had gone for Squeezebox partly because Sonos was so expensive. She looked at me as though I was mad no it isn't, its really cheap! was her reply. After further interrogation it turned out that she had also asked her installer to quote for a Linn based wired multi-room system that was going to cost about £20,000! So £2,000 for a couple of Sonos boxes and some wall mounted speakers sounded cheap to her. The Sonos installation was after all only for their weekend cottage in Suffolk so she was not looking for sonic perfection... When I told her that my Squeezeboxes plugged into my existing hi-fi setup and cost a total of less than £400 she looked at me as if I had just suggested she should ditch Harvey Nichols and start buying her clothes at Primark!! (you have to be English to understand the implications of that...) TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
maggior wrote: Logitech needs to relaunch the Squeezebox line with some new exciting hardware and marketing support.Yep, that is exactly what they have to do. They won't though. My favourite discount hi-fi retailer, Superfi, has just stopped stocking any Squeezebox stuff. John Lewis used to be an enthusiastic Squeezebox seller and no longer does so (sells the complete Sonos range though). In the UK, only on-line retailers stock Squeezebox hardware these days. Not even end of line sale outlets like Richer Sounds stock it. Many have predicted the demise of Squeezebox before, but to all intents and purposes, it has happened already in the UK :-( I have no idea what I will do when Logitech finally stop supporting the system and turns off the MySqueezebox web site. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
Usually most consumer users rather than enthusiasts want to keep it simple. Most of the suggestions here are from rather hard-core users, as you would expect on a dedicated forum. Unfortunately Sonos has beaten Squeezebox in this particular format battle. Now when I describe my Squeezebox system to friends they say oh, you mean it works like a Sonos. The reason Sonos won is they offer a fully integrated hardware and software system that offers a whole working setup from Speakers, amps, clients and access points making sure they match visually as well as technically - and their bespoke wireless net where every client is also an access point was a stroke of genius that solved the big bug that has forever plagued the Squeezebox. They keep up with Apple and Microsoft by not relying on either company for any part of their systems - except to make sure their server software works on both setups. Even then, I know four people with Sonos systems and none of them run a server, listening entirely through on-line systems like Napster/Rhapsody and Spotify. That means their Sonos systems work completely independently from any other piece of computer hardware in their houses, connecting only at their router. Hi-fi is a dying hobby. 90%+ of people buying consumer electronics want a whole system - in most cases this means just a single music box! They certainly don't want to buy their amplifier from one company, speakers from another, CD player from a third and digital streamer from a fourth. So, what would most users want from Logitech? It is probably too late to create their own wireless net, which would probably infringe Sonos patents anyway. However they could sell a 1 - Squeezebox branded wireless access point / bridge / wireless extender In addition to the Touch and Radio which are fine, 2 - visually matched high quality powered speakers to go with the Touch (not just some crappy PC speakers) 3 - a player with an integrated amplifier (why oh why oh why have they never done this obvious thing!!!) 4 - a player with an integrated amplifier and speakers (Boom II, but prettier) and because the Squeezebox system is aimed more at those with their own digital music libraries 5 - a dedicated (Linux) server to run the software I know that 3rd parties have provided all of these at one time or another, but my point is that they have to be visually integrated and produced and supported by Logitech. Ideally all the components, including the Touch, Radio and new hardware would have a design overhaul to make them prettier. Provide hardware in white as well as black to better match existing interior decor. That way, somebody could go into an electronics store and buy a complete working Squeezebox system from network and client through to speakers. Of course this will never happen now. Logitech still had the time to do this when they bought Squeezebox but they failed to put in the necessary investment and commitment and now this technically superior platform has lost out to the inferior one. Anybody else remember Betamax? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need help with Net UDAP to configure a squeezebox duet
I always use the Windows executable for net-UDAP available here: http://slim2lirc.myown.mailcan.com/udap_shell_1_0_0.exe This is much more straightforward for those of us with Windows machines as it does not require the pre-installation of Perl. Launch the exe and you are straight into a command line window. I always run it from my laptop which has a hardware wireless switch. I just boot it up with the wireless off, connect it with Ethernet cable to the Receiver, power up and reset the receiver and run the exe. Works a treat. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95154 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Duet Receiver streaming rates
*Technical question:* does the Squeezebox Receiver have some set streaming rates? I ask this because I have been trying to optimise the position of my Receiver relative to my wireless router and using the Network signal graph utility on the Controller. It seems to me that the Duet will stream at one of a few pre-fixed rates depending on how strong the signal is. In other words with a given signal strength/quality the streaming gives a flat topped graph. Improve the signal and it doesn't gradually rise but takes a step up to the next level. From my experiments I have found set levels at roughly 200 Kb/s, 400 Kb/s 800 Kb/s and 1500 Kb/s. I don't have the exact numbers, these are just estimates from the very small graph. In each case the graph has a flat top but if you improve the signal it will step up one level. If you have a marginal signal it tends to start high, then steps down and up a bit before finally settling at a particular rate. My problem was I had to move the Receiver from a position with a good signal to one with a poor signal. I used to get a constant 1500 Kb/s in the old location which was great for streaming FLAC files. When I checked it at the new location it would only give about 800 Kb/s. Luckily that still seems to be enough to reliably stream FLAC encoded at compression level 5 which is what I used for most of my rips. I used to think that you needed 1,400 kbps to stream FLAC but thinking about it the formula is 44100 (Hz) x 16 (bits) x 2 (channels) = 1,411,200 bits per second. This is compressed roughly 60% in a FLAC file giving a streaming rate of 846,720 bps or 826 Kbps. Presumably the set streaming rate I am seeing is designed to be enough to cope with FLAC. Similarly the bit rate of 400 kbps is probably designed to cover 320kbps MP3 files and the 200 kbps rate covers 196 or 128 kbps MP3s. Is that others experience? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need help with Net UDAP to configure a squeezebox duet
A common problem for many people using net-UDAP is that the PC (or laptop) you are using to configure the Receiver has to be in the same subnet as the Receiver itself. If the PC/laptop is already connected to a network and the internet then it will not work. There is some kind of procedure that goes on when you reset the Receiver that uses an unusual IP for the Receiver and PC. Not sure how it works, but I always do the following: 1. Disconnect the PC from any network, wired or wireless 2. On the PC, in the properties of the network adapter, remove any fixed IP address from the TCP/IP (V4) making sure it is obtaining its IP by DHCP (automatic) 3. Reboot the laptop or PC just to make sure the changes have stuck 4. With the Receiver switched off connect one end of a short Ethernet cable to the Receiver and the other to the network socket of the PC 5. Power on the Receiver and press and hold the front button until it flashes rapidly red 6. Wait until it turns to a slow flashing red light then launch the net-UDAP application. 7. Run the discover routine Provided the Discover routine works you can proceed with making your commands. Because it won't be possible to consult any web site while you are doing this (unless you are running a second PC for the purpose) it is a good idea to print all instructions out beforehand and have a good idea of the commands you will be uploading before you go through this procedure. Good luck! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95154 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
zowie wrote: Aren't they a little taller? They look it from the pic. -Height - clearance is my problem in switching over from jewel cases. I have univenture safety sleeves for my cd-r's and they don't fit. Sorry, just noticed you were replying to me! They are not noticeably taller. If they are it would be at most a couple of millimetres. As height is so critical for you I will measure one tonight compared to a jewel case and repost. You could always e-mail the Jazz Loft - they were very helpful to me when I was organising import to the UK. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
ralphpnj;696433 Wrote: Nice but let's change things slightly: But what if I owned both the vinyl and the CD, ripped the vinyl, then sold the CD but kept the vinyl? Now I could chose to listen the vinyl but played via my Squeezebox. That is no different from just buying the CD and then selling it without ever having ripped it, which is perfectly legal. You don't own the music, you own the carrier. The point of all this legislation is to prevent people from listening to music without royalties going to the record company, musician and their representatives. In the UK in the past it was technically illegal to make a copy of an LP on cassette tape. However recently it was made legal to rip a CD for personal use on a portable player. This was a concession to the fact that one person is unlikely to want to listen to the CD and MP3 rip simultaneously. However you are (technically) in breach of this if you have a copy on your portable player AND a copy on a server to be played on a Squeezebox which could be listened to by others while you are listening to the same recording on your iPod somewhere else. Is it legal to own a ripped copy of an album having sold the original carrier? The answer in most jurisdictions is no, this is because you are essentially allowing one recording to be used by two people at the same time and (crucially) in different places with only one of them having paid a royalty. This is something that could be propagated ad infinitum if each new owner of a CD rips it and sells it on. Theoretically one CD sale, and one royalty payment to the musician, could result in numerous ripped copies of the music. In practice the buy CD, rip it, sell CD strategy is unlikely to lead you to be prosecuted unless you make a business out of it in some way. At best this strategy will just reduce the cost of ownership as few CDs, if any, will be sold at a profit. To sell a CD you would be paying for: - ebay listing - packaging - postage In the UK that lot will cost you around £2.50. The worst is that in order to guarantee a sale you would probably need to significantly under-cut the market price, otherwise a recording might not sell and you would need to re-list it at further cost. You might consider this worthwhile for a rare and expensive recording. But as decent second hand copies of most CDs can be bought for £3-£5 few would find it worth the time and aggravation. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
Mnyb;696478 Wrote: Not so popular old peoples music :) is often sold whole sale when someone dies and it is often the same old chestnuts from everyone so also low in price.Chuckle :D My old chestnuts (LPs and CDs) are now mostly recorded and stored as FLACs as are my wife's CDs. Having completed that project my wife now wants her LPs in digital format. However she didn't look after her LPs as well as I did mine, to put it mildly! They are in invariably appalling condition - totally unrecordable. It looks like after using them to eat her dinner off she the cleaned them with sandpaper. So I have no choice but to replace with CDs or downloads. As they are also old people's chestnuts too, I could probably download them all free if I wanted to. However I am a law abiding citizen and will probably just pick them up as second hand CDs where I can. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
garym;695990 Wrote: Up to a point I agree with you. Over the years my wife and I have downsized (on purpose) to smaller and smaller houses. My current house is 1/4 the size of our home 25 year ago (tiny house in my town, but would be a decent sized apartment in NYC). And I have, not exactly sure, 10,000 or so CDs. Going to jewel cases saved me a TON of space. And I can still walk into a room, open a cabinet drawer and access the CDs with full inserts quickly. (And notice I would never get rid of the CDs, even if I hope to never NEED to see them again). I agree, not everybody has room for huge CD racks. In London houses are rather smaller than in most places in the US. Our last house had a single living room 21'x11', kitchen, two bedrooms and a bathroom, tiny back yard. Not cheap either, a friend has just bought a similar house in the same street for £700,000 ($1,000,000). The small living room was dominated by shelves for CDs, books and LPs making the room seem even smaller and more cluttered. In our (rather larger) new house, the squeezeboxes have enabled us to do away with CD and LP storage taking up valuable living space. The CDs are still quickly accessible in the small study in the loft if I need them. I have put them into sleeves and then small boxes like these: [image: http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p623/Oefinell/Leitz.jpg] 8 altogether which take up almost no space on our study shelves. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
zowie;695834 Wrote: I'm satisfied to put most of my cds away in the attic in their jewel cases after they've been ripped. That saves even more living space than bagging them. (More accurately, creates more space for vinyl.) Plus, (a) I don't think most bags fit in my racks and (b) almost none of the bags hold the back card. But I'm not sure that I want to be without the inserts, especially for box sets with deluxe books. And I'm also not sure I want to separate the cds from their inserts because of the difficulty of reuniting them. This is presently a conundrum. Thoughts? I put my cds in the attic in their Jazz Loft sleeves (in boxes), which saves space in the loft as well as the racks. On your other questions, a) The Jazz Loft sleeves take up less room than a standard CD case so will fit in your racks. b) The Jazz Loft sleeves are a gate-fold design so take the back card and CD in the right half and the insert in the left. The only thing discarded is the plastic case. For deluxe box sets with books I just keep the CDs in their original packaging. I only use the Jazz Loft sleeves to replace standard CD jewel cases. I would not separate the CD from its insert either so leave both together in the loft. I find myself referring to the web when I need information on a recording these days. Usually a lot more informative than the sleeve notes. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
Vicke;695616 Wrote: Can anybody explain this? or even better find a way which makes it work without all this hassle. Thanks in advance!A possible reason for the problem is that Avast somehow uses Flash and the presence of DSbridge files in the Flash folder confuses it. If I were you I would just uninstall Avast and try a different AV program. Avast may be free, but the latest version is a terrible resource hog. I have had to remove it from about five PCs around my family circle that I had installed it on about three years ago (when it was a simpler program). This is because it was bringing them all to a grinding halt. Once Avast was removed everything was fine and dandy. So far I have failed to find a decent light alternative to Avast, but because all the PCs sit behind NAT router based firewalls and the e-mail is pre-scanned with AV software at the ISP end before delivery, the risk of virus infection is negligible. Spyware is taken care of with Windows Defender, and Thunderbird deals with spam and phishing e-mails pretty well. The only time that you are significantly at risk of a virus infection or hack attack that needs a -software- solution is when you are using a laptop in a public environment such as a wi-fi hot spot or when you are collecting your e-mail from a provider that does not pre-scan for viruses. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
castalla;691494 Wrote: Interesting. Bingo! No more dsbridge with avast, and to my surprise Spotify still worked.Are you saying broadcasting Spotify to your Squeezeboxes still worked, or that playing Spotify on your laptop still worked? I have tried experimenting and AFAICT broadcasting Spotify to your Squeezeboxes using DSBridge only works if you have the files in both the Spotify application folder AND the Flash folder. It might be that just having the files in your Flash folder, even if renamed, is enough to get it to work. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
I have just installed DSBridge onto my wife's new laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit. I too had quite a few issues getting it to work but in the end it wasn't really much different from intstalling onto my 32 bit Windows XP laptop. All the files used were 32 bit versions, including the Lame dll. However the lappie had come with a version of McAfee internet security software and I only managed to get DSB to work by uninstalling the firewall component. That is fine for her as the laptop is essentially a desktop replacement, is behind a NAT router / firewall and will never leave the house. YMMV. I needed to put all the DSB files and 32 bit Lame dll into both the Spotify and Flash install folders. IIRC these were: C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\Spotify and C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash It seemed odd to be putting 32 bit files in the 64 bit OS section, but it works. Good luck! -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
froth;690904 Wrote: The biggest issue I have with the squeeze line is ease of use for techo neofites. My system is sold, little to no issues all rooms using wireless with a wireless infrastructure that has N based devices and extenders. Even my microwave no longer causes disruptions in the kitchen setup. The problem comes when the wife wants to use the system beyond presets I have put on a boom in the kitchen for her or the favorites I have created. We use iPeng on ipod and iphones to control the system. So to me the interface is good and easy to use. She still has troubles, the kids not so much but they do say things are much easier to do when playing music from their ithing docked in a base. In fact, often if they are in a room with a boom, instead of just using ipeng to play what they want, they will connect their ithing to the external input into the boom and play right from their ithing. I hate that as for the most part we keep everything on the server and then when they want to update their ithing they have a way to easily add the music to their ithing from the server. For the wife if I know she is doing something and will want certain rooms synced, I predo that for her and then ask her what she will want to play for music so I can easily put the sources there for her such as streaming from Sirius XM or playlists from our large library. So I end up being the DJ so to speak just so she does not get frustrated, go to the basement and unboxes thousands of CD's and go old school. In some ways I believe we need a very simple interface offering basic features to make this easy on the people who are not technical. For example, a sync interface where is actually tells you what to do on the infterface to sync devices in very easy terms and steps. iPeng is close but not close enough so my wife can easily figure it out. I feel your pain! Things are not so very different in my household. However I have reduced the extent of a couple of the problems: *Updating kids iThing from server:* Both my older children have access to a laptop which they use to update their pods. I have set up iTunes on this so that it uses folders in the same music library on my server as the Squeezebox (not a shared library, just adding folders from my SB library). My library is split into two identical halves, one with MP3s for pods and one with FLACs for squeezebox. This library is synced between NAS and a PC giving some backup protection for their iThings, and I have set up iTunes on the laptop so that when they add music from the server it keeps a local copy on their iTunes folder on the lappie. After a bit of cajoling they also let me buy downloads and rip CDs for them as I can do that a lot cheaper than iTunes, and usually a lot quicker too. My son is now getting interested in this process and has offered to take over the job! He is an intelligent lad and understands the advantages. *Wife friendly control:* My wife is happy to use the Controller, because it has real hardware buttons with obvious functions not disimmilar to an iPod. She simply does not get on with either iPeng on my iPod or Squeezecommander on her HTC. I have also added an extra genre tag to her music so that it is all located in the one menu location, she does not need to scroll through long lists of my what's this awful racket music to get to her own stuff. *Sync players:* Not sure what your problem is here. I have set it up so that the choose player and sync options are a the top of the home menu so that she can find them easily. Even my technophobe wife quickly got the hang of the sync option after 2 minutes of training (the limit of her patience with these things!). However she finds swapping between players with the Controller a bind, so I may have to buy a second one! -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
socistep;691044 Wrote: Its a shame Mrs TheLastMan won't pick up Squeezecommander or iPeng as they are really easy for controlling and syncing players! I know, its strange. She really does prefer hardware buttons to a touch screen and was contemplating dumping the HTC for a Blackberry but is sticking with it solely for our shared Google calendar which is a boon for both of us. She has a huge error rate using the touch screen - always cursing as icons get accidentally dragged off the home screen, widgets disappear, phone calls unanswered as it refuses to respond to her swipe. HTC/Android really needs a screen lock function that will stop accidental rearrangements and deletions. I have to repair her HTC home screen at least once a week! I don't think she is alone either, which is why it is short-sighted of Logitech to discontinue the Controller without making a replacement. Even geeks occasionally acquire wives and children, and Logitech devices have to be friendly to them as well as their geek masters. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
erland;690072 Wrote: It's important to understand that Apple and Logitech(Squeezebox) have different approaches to this. [Snip very good post] Correct in every respect, but both systems can co-exist quite happily provided there are amplifiers in the house with more than one line level input. I have a Squeezebox Server setup with Receivers in the kitchen and livingroom. However, because all but one member of the household now has an iThing of some description, I have rigged up docks on both systems so the users can either listen to music via their pod or via the Squeezebox. Also, there is no reason why an Airplay enabled amp could not also have a Squeezebox attached. The music on the server is mostly mine and my wife's. However the children do use the Squeezebox to access Napster (for music they don't yet have on their pods), BBC iPlayer and other internet radio. Squeezebox can also add to what is available via Apple's systems via the player function in iPeng - which my daughter uses occasionally even though the Venn Diagram of our musical tastes only has a very small overlap! The two systems can live happily side-by-side but I am sure most households will make a choice of one or the other according to the considerations that Erland has listed. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Napster UK closing down
This may be old news, but I have just noticed that following its purchase by Rhapsody Napster will close in the UK, and presumably the rest of Europe in mid March. This appears to be a total shutdown. It looks like we will lose Napster streaming on our Squeezeboxes, Napster libraries and any saved playlists. Not all Napster services will be automatically transferred to Rhapsody, you may have to take out a new subscription to Rhapsody or other streaming service depending on the contract you are on - see here: http://www.napster.co.uk/customerinformation/ The Rhapsody music library is similar and mobile off-line facilities will remain. However it might be worth going to Spotify rather than Rhapsody depending on which suits your needs best. Those of us on the 5for5 deal (five mp3 downloads a month for £5) are going to be terminated. We will lose our 5 mp3s as Rhapsody will not be selling downloads, only offering streaming. What is more our accounts are not going to be automatically transferred, we will have to re-subscribe to a new service - presumably because it will be so different from the old one. That is a real disappointment for me as I have been able to download an album a month for around £1 - £2. Sometimes £0 if the album had fewer than 5 tracks. That effectively meant I was getting my Napster subscription almost for free - as I would have been buying that music in any case. I will have to reconsider which streaming service to go with as an alternative. Any views on how Rhapsody compares to Spotify? Will Logitech Squeezebox be offering a Rhapsody interface for UK subscribers? -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93498 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Napster UK closing down
mherger;689270 Wrote: The Napster service will be replaced with Rhapsody. They even decided to run it under the old name of Napster. Thus you Napster users might get a new UI, but should still be fine listening to online music. Thanks Michael. Some subsidiary questions: Will everybody be losing their Napster libraries and playlists? Will the Squeezebox app look any different? How will us 5-for-5 subscribers who are going to be cut off resubscribe to the Rhapsody version of Napster? -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93498 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
erland;688275 Wrote: So which system/company do you feel have a more promising future over the next 5 years so you would be prepared to put your money on it ? Ease of setup, use and administration is the key. The company that gets all of that right will dominate the market in the long term. IMHO the biggest Squeezebox failing in this regard is paradoxically also one of its biggest attractions - a free server based on open software, and all the betas, plugins, bugs and continual development that goes with it. Slim Devices was a computer hardware / software company that went into audio, and for that reason they have sought computer solutions to most issues. Logitech are also a computer company although more consumer oriented that SD. Most of these networked media systems come primarily from this computer background, including Apple, but I have a feeling the big winner will eventually appear out of an audio/consumer electronics industry that understands what the large majority of consumers want. If it ever appears, the killer networked home audio server, which will also be a home video system, will: - be primarily a server, both hardware and software in one, fixed, box. If they are clever it will have a proprietary network like Sonos. - work straight out of the box exactly as advertised - be a totally closed system with no upgrade or plugin options - be 99% reliable with no crashes or bugs - work for 5 years and be then binned to be replaced by the latest model (just like your TV) - have its own basic LCD screen and controls, but also be controllable with iOS and Android apps. - include an optical drive for CD ripping - have limited functionality, providing just enough for most situations - will support various makes of player, but designed to work mainly with its own brand of players, speakers and TVs. - will provide links to a limited range of internet radio, video and music services (Spotify, netflix, iPlayer etc) If Sonos were called Sony, were half the price and included a server of the type discussed above they would have this market sewn up. If Logitech had developed the Touch to include a proper hardware server then they would be closer. In my opinion the failure of Logitech or Sonos to produce a consumer friendly (aka idiot proof) server is the main reason this has not taken off. The truck drivers, car mechanics, bank tellers, secretaries, school teachers and airline pilots of this world will not want to (or cannot) manage buggy software on a PC, leave it switched on all the time, configure WOL, hack linux to install LMS on a NAS, install plugins etc etc. They should be able to attach a pre-configured server to their router, put a CD in their PC or laptop run a *very* simple setup routine and transfer their music and video. The rest should be pressing buttons. I would not want such a system, but 95% of the population would prefer it. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
KMorgan;687768 Wrote: I love my Squeezeboxes, but it's only when you try to explain to someone how it all works that you realise that for the average bod it's all quite complex. A non-techy pal of mine visits and really enjoys using Squeezepad to browse Spotify and listen to anything he wants (well almost). So, he gets an ipad and asks me 'how do I get this to do what yours does?'. Then it gets difficult. I try to explain about servers, plugins etc., and get nowhere. My recommendation? Get an airport express, connect it to the aux-in of your Bose thing, load the Spotify app on your ipad, and off you go. One more airplay user, one more sale to Apple. One less squeezebox user, one less sale to Logitech. Pity. Keith Yes, I am afraid you are spot on with this. I think even Sonos will not survive in the long term, despite it being arguably easier to set up. The only significant advantage Squeezebox has over Airplay and DLNA is its ability to play different streams to different players and/or synchronise players all from a single music server. However, in most households each music system has a different user with a different music collection. My daughter is not interested in playing my or my wife's music. She is quite happy to download or rip her Jessie J and Take That CDs on her laptop, transfer them to her iPod touch and play that in her bedroom through her little £50 iPod dock. It is quite nice for me to be able to synchronise the kitchen and living room players, esp. for parties, but that is not a big enough advantage to make it worth the hassle for most people. Most households have an iPod per occupant and docks around the house where music might be required. They simply plug the 'pod in wherever they want music. Simples. High fidelity? Most don't need or care for it. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
Soulkeeper;686630 Wrote: (Starts looking for an Android pad.) Don't. You will regret it. Regardless of your feelings towards Apple, the iPad is streets ahead of any of the Android pads in usability, app availability. There is a reason why it is twice the price of the Android pads. Anyway you cannot really blame Apple for the fact that Logitech wants to use its technology. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Connect Squeezebox receiver ?
RyvBoy;680174 Wrote: thanks so what mysqueezebox does? only control music stored locally? It gives you access to thousands of internet radio stations the world over and on-line streaming music services like Napster, Rhapsody and Spotify. Not sure where you live but streaming services are quite scarce in much of Europe except UK and Germany. For the full list go to http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery It also gives you access to a limited amount (2GB) of free music storage in the cloud via a service called MP3tunes music locker. Go to http://www.mp3tunes.com/ -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92581 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
What do music consumers without an interest in geeky / techy solutions want from a music system these days? In order of importance as I see it: 1. The ability to play music from their iPod (unfortunately I think it will be necessary to concede Apple's dominance here) 2. A portable solution with an amplifier and built in speakers 3. The ability to use streaming services (Napster, Spotify etc) 4. Internet radio 5. Local file storage, or the ability to plug in storage to play local files 6. Multiple native file formats. Eliminate the need for any transcoding. 6. Player synchronisation 7. No need for a PC to be switched on to run distributed music. I think there are a few product opportunities in there for Logitech Squeezebox. You could tick most of these boxes with a merged Boom and Touch with added iPod dock. It would have server firmware that will enable the player to use a memory stick or portable hard drive to play content. This could also act as a server for other players in the house to provide synchronisation via Wi-fi. Because this will bypass computer installation hopefully this will eliminate problems caused by firewalls and other network or software conflicts. No reason these days why it should not have a simple Web interface either. That would still leave room for the Touch which is pretty much a perfect match for its niche. It just needs better marketing and possibly a better implementation of the built-in server software for those not willing to run a server full time. Personally I think a Touch / server combo with a built-in hard drive and the ability to install a full copy of SBS/LMS would be a real coup. This would do away with the need for a PC, NAS or plug computer and all the issues that surround that. It should use N class wi-fi which nowadays is reliable enough to eliminate the need for the server to be wired permanently to the router which is too much of a physical tie. The Radio needs to go touch screen to keep up, but otherwise it is OK. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
