Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
It's in with a bunch of settings that appear to be on/off, but that doesn't make sense with 'cpu=' I'm wondering if it's number of CPUs, priority, or something else. Anybody know, before I start experimenting? -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Slacker is only available in the US and you cant take it on holiday with you. -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Spicefly SugarCube - Taking Squeezebox and MusicIP to the next level. A hassle free non-stop journey through your music library using MusicIP. Plus the finest MusicIP installation guides, enhanced MIP Interface and SpyGlass MIP the Automated MusicIP Headless Installer. cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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3o4Titties;602192 Wrote: It's all about Slacker Radio. Their algorithms are far more advanced and their library of licensed music is far FAR more vast then either Music IP or Pandora. musicip is not a library of music. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's all about Slacker Radio. Their algorithms are far more advanced and their library of licensed music is far FAR more vast then either Music IP or Pandora. -- 3o4Titties 3o4Titties's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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excalibur;549498 Wrote: So in short, can I just leave the DB with my former folder-structure and rest assured that MusicIP/GenpuID will locate the new path for my songs and correct them in the DB? After all they have been analyzed and stored in DB (which is what takes a really long time.Probably... if you use the MiP headless server interface to update the library it'll discard the incorrect file references and pick up the new wherever they're located. If you archive the analysis then you don't have the problem of having to redo the analysis when moving files around. Also, if you're looking to run genpuid 1.4 on a recent Ubuntu you need to follow these instructions: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=492782postcount=17 -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Excaliber, I pm'd you with my email address, thanks. -- dbinder101 dbinder101's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just converted from Win 7 to Ubuntu and am having trouble with Genpuid 1.4 I run the command genpuid XXX -logex -m3lib=/home/default.m3lib -r /musicdrive However, the output contains the following: Checking files to be processed... Songs to be scanned: 11 ** Stopping Processing And then it lists all the songs and their puid. However, the m3lib never gets updated. Is it because I should be using genpuid 1.2 or am I doing something else wrong? If I need 1.2 does anyone know where I can download it? -- dbinder101 dbinder101's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Give me your e-mail and I'll send it to you. -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Hi, It seems you guys are the most knowledgeable on MusicIP after the demise of the old dedicated forum. So I have a question to you lot. Over the last 10 days I have analyzed close to 7000 songs with GenpuID to the default.m3lib DB. I have since then moved some songs around, and do now see that MusicIP web GUI actually thinks that these moved songs are new. As they have been added to the 'Songs to Validate'. So in short, can I just leave the DB with my former folder-structure and rest assured that MusicIP/GenpuID will locate the new path for my songs and correct them in the DB? After all they have been analyzed and stored in DB (which is what takes a really long time. Best regards Morten E. -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi guys, I seem to have forgotten to actually commend Andrew from Vortexbox. This Fedora distro really is a match made in heaven for the SBS. I 'downgraded' from a QNAP 209 II Pro (500MHz CPU 256MB RAM), with QNAP OS, that needed a special QPKG package to be able to install Squeeze-server at all. Took me a long time to get up and running. After 5 months of early love with my SB, I found out about the greatest plugin of them all - MusicIP. Only to realise that my QNAP 209 architecture did not support it. I then looked carefully into the first NAS I bought, that at the time (I could not get going with either FreeNAS/ClarcConnect or SME-Server). Actually not a NAS but just a thin client PC. (HP 5730, 1GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM). But during my first 5 months of SB'ing, I came across many appraisals about the Vortexbox distro. So I got the HP 5730 up and running replacing the 1GB Flash drive with an old laptop drive, and installed Vortexbox. All went without a hitch. Squeeze-Server is built in and restarted with the system. It even has Ripit installed that will rip your CD's automatically to both FLAC and MP3 to each their folder and eject the CD afterwards. Very sexy - and userfriendly indeed. AFter 1 hour of work I was playing SB on the box... Not so on the QNAP. Which was much more elaborate and finicky to get going. I then muddled around getting MusicIP installed. No success until I found out that Andrew had made a script to install it with one command. Find it in the forum at www.vortexbox.org. It went absolutely like in vaseline. Great. But lately I have had some grieve as to get GenpuID working to tag my FLAC files. But I think that it is there now. This is by far the simplest and most quiet NAS I have ever seen. It chucks quickly some heavier chores like running music-analysis. But I was glad to see that when running GenpuID v. 1.2, each process only takes approx 5% of CPU (hence you can run at least 6 parallel instances, while playing on the server!), where the normal headless GUI snatches 80-100 CPU processing, while doing the analysis. So I am really pleased. Let me just finish by saying that I too have developed a fine taste for my relatively large collection of 16.000 songs. It really is as if you just suddenly aquire lots more music, because you suddenly (or MusicIP) gets aware about the more seldomly listened to tracks and finds mixes where they perfectly match. A very new and rewarding way of listening to music. -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Running GenpuID on a Vortexbox. There is no problem running it from the web-GUI, but to archive fingerprints in TAGs I'd prefer to run it with GenpuID. But when I do in the /opt/genpuid/log.txt I see that I have a problem from the first automated script run this morning; * [2] Fingerprinting /storage/music/MP3/Suede/Coming Up/10 Saturday Night.mp3 Wed May 12 04:03:24 2010 [0:00] Fingerprint failed (mis-execution): /storage/music/MP3/Suede/Coming Up/10 Saturday Night.mp3 [2] Fingerprinting /storage/music/MP3/Suede/Coming Up/08 Picnic by the Motorway.mp3 Wed May 12 04:03:24 2010 [0:00] Fingerprint failed (mis-execution): /storage/music/MP3/Suede/Coming Up/08 Picnic by the Motorway.mp3 ** Stopping Processing *** This really puzzles me. I know not how to proceed. What Can be wrong with my GenpuID proccesing? I couldn't see the changes in the cache file when I ran GenpuID, so I changed the mmm.ini files in both locations /opt/genpuid and /opt/MusicMagicMixer From default /root/.MusicMagic/default.m3lib to my customised location /var/cache/musicip/cache/default.m3lib. So by now I presume that I am building the same DB whether I use Headless GUI API port 10002, or GenpuID from command-line. And when the daily cron runs, it runs my GenpuID and stores fingerprints to TAGs in songs. This should make it easier for me to recreate the DB if I ever have to God forbid. I have now indexed about 2300 songs via the web-GUI. The DB is at about 700KB. Does this seem right? When I run GenpuID I see the above shown result. And then there is 'silence' for a long time, and suddenly songs with pathes start scrolling up my screen. To me this seems a bit odd. As I know that song can not be analyzed that fast. And then GenpuID just exits. Hopefully having done it's work. Is there a reason why this guy runs BOTH GenpuID first AND then Web-GUI on the same files http://wiki.slimdevices.com/in ..ng_Genpuid In the section Maintaining the MiP database. Thanks for any help you may be able to spare I am at my wits end here Morten E PS. If you need more background info please see my thread here: http://vortexbox.org/forum/help/instralling-musicip-mixer-on-vortexbox/page-5/ -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;545728 Wrote: Could you show what genpuid command you/Vortexbox are using? Otherwise it's a little hard for people who don't use Vortexbox to troubleshoot. Thanks for your help. I start genpuid with this command sudo /opt/genpuid/genpuid 57aae6071e74345f69143baa210bda87 -logex -m3lib=/var/cache/musicip/cache/default.m3lib -r /storage/music/ -archive Any thoughts would be great. Thanks Morten -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
excalibur;545724 Wrote: Running GenpuID on a Vortexbox. There is no problem running it from the web-GUI, but to archive fingerprints in TAGs I'd prefer to run it with GenpuID. But when I do in the /opt/genpuid/log.txt I see that I have a problem from the first automated script run this morning; snip Could you show what genpuid command you/Vortexbox are using? Otherwise it's a little hard for people who don't use Vortexbox to troubleshoot. On your last question you posted a broken link, but assuming you meant 'this one' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter) the reason for the two steps is simple, although it's really three steps. The first step (the genpuid command with the -archive option) writes the genpuid tags to the files. The second step (the MIP web ui on 10002) reads them into the MIP database. The third step (SBS scan for new and changed) brings those changes to SBS. You may also find this thread helpful: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63654highlight=genpuid -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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excalibur;545785 Wrote: I start genpuid with this command sudo /opt/genpuid/genpuid 57aae6071e74345f69143baa210bda87 -logex -m3lib=/var/cache/musicip/cache/default.m3lib -r /storage/music/ -archive That looks like one problem, although I can't guarantee it's the only problem. The location of the file(s) should be the last argument, so you should use: sudo /opt/genpuid/genpuid 57aae6071e74345f69143baa210bda87 -logex -m3lib=/var/cache/musicip/cache/default.m3lib -r -archive /storage/music/ And don't forget to look at that other thread I pointed you to. Good luck. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks Aubuti, But I found out it was because I used GenpuID v. 1.4. Apparantly it doesn't work on my system. I tried with v. 1.2, which was quick in doing the analysis. I think its there. The log-file says - check. Everything green. So I think I got it. -- excalibur excalibur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Wirrunna;324819 Wrote: RonnieQ, I have added this to bug 4366 - http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 - . It would be helpful if you could also upload a track that causes the noise. Thanks. Will do. Just waiting on a token from the bugzilla site in order to upload an attachment. BTW - it's RoonieQ :) -- RoonieQ RoonieQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;324428 Wrote: That's surprising. Are your files all tagged properly? I think all that matters is that the artist and track name be correct. Here are the stats of my library from the MiP web page: Total songs 20,377 Mixable songs 14,511 Songs to validate 20,377 I have a lot of bootleg recordings in my library and this accounts for the vast majority of the songs that are not mixable. I attained this by only performing the add music operation from the MiP web page. How do you perform the validation process - is it from the web interface talking to the headless server or are you using the GUI? The reason that I ask is that the issue may be that you have multiple MiP databases. I ran into this myself. I'm running Linux. If you are running Linux as well, I may be able to help you out. I don't have any experience with MiP on Windows, so I don't know what issues there could be there. Everything has an artist/album/title/track number tag. I also have alot of bootlegs. I'm performing validation from the GUI - Windows XP SP2 I'm afraid. -- itm itm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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itm, apologies for not going back over all your posts on this topic, but are you running the headless version of MusicIP? If so, there are a couple of things I can suggest - first, you may need to do a full clear and rescan in Squeezecenter for files which have recently been analysed but not validated by MIP to show up. Assuming you've tried that and you still have a problem, double check the location of the default.m3lib file that you've given the headless mmm.ini file. I had an experience a bit like yours where songs just weren't showing as mixable in SC, and I eventually discovered that MIP had created a new default.m3lib in a different place (Documents and Settings/Username/Application Data, I think) but I hadn't updated the setting in the mmm.ini document. If you run some validation over your files using MIP, then close the app down and save the cache, does the default.m3lib file change the time and date stamp? If not, you may have another one kicking around somewhere. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Siduhe;324496 Wrote: itm, apologies for not going back over all your posts on this topic, but are you running the headless version of MusicIP? If so, there are a couple of things I can suggest - first, you may need to do a full clear and rescan in Squeezecenter for files which have recently been analysed but not validated by MIP to show up. Assuming you've tried that and you still have a problem, double check the location of the default.m3lib file that you've given the headless mmm.ini file. I had an experience a bit like yours where songs just weren't showing as mixable in SC, and I eventually discovered that MIP had created a new default.m3lib in a different place (Documents and Settings/Username/Application Data, I think) but I hadn't updated the setting in the mmm.ini document. If you run some validation over your files using MIP, then close the app down and save the cache, does the default.m3lib file change the time and date stamp? If not, you may have another one kicking around somewhere. This is exactly what I had experienced. On Linux, I was able to fix it by making sure the account I was running the app in was consitent. I'm glad you were able to put this issue in terms of Windows for itm. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;320851 Wrote: If MiP supports it then archive it, the rationale being the same as for any other files. Well, after choosing to archive all of my ALAC files, the newly archived (modified) files all possess a loud audible click at the end of each file when played. Not good. Fortunately, I of course made a complete backup of said files prior to the archiving process and have subsequently restored the whole lot. Comments? -- RoonieQ RoonieQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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RoonieQ;324187 Wrote: Well, after choosing to archive all of my ALAC files, the newly archived (modified) files all possess a loud audible click at the end of each file when played. Not good. Fortunately, I of course made a complete backup of said files prior to the archiving process and have subsequently restored the whole lot. Comments? From the begining I decided not to allow MusicIP to write (archive) its data in my FLAC files. It's still an evolving technology. As far as I know, it is still in beta. Instead I choose to use the separated default.m3lib MusicIP reference index. This way is very easy to remove and re-install MusicIP as long as you don't change the location (absolute path) of your music library in your server. I also make a backup copies of the default.m3lib whenever I validate new tracks. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tamanaco;324207 Wrote: From the begining I decided not to allow MusicIP to write (archive) its data in my FLAC files. It's still an evolving technology. As far as I know, it is still in beta. Instead I choose to use the separated default.m3lib MusicIP reference index. This way is very easy to remove and re-install MusicIP as long as you don't change the location (absolute path) of your music library in your server. I also make a backup copies of the default.m3lib whenever I validate new tracks. Thanks for the advice. I'll do just that as well. As long as I have a method of restoring the track anaysis by some method if it is ever lost/corrupted that will be fine for me. Keeping current backup copies of the default.m3lib will work fine for me too. My inital scan and analysis (~16,000 files) wasn't terribly long (couple of days??) but I'd rather not have to do it again if the original info is lost. -- RoonieQ RoonieQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
RoonieQ;324187 Wrote: Well, after choosing to archive all of my ALAC files, the newly archived (modified) files all possess a loud audible click at the end of each file when played. Not good. Fortunately, I of course made a complete backup of said files prior to the archiving process and have subsequently restored the whole lot. Comments? Good thing you had made a backup (always recommended). You should report this to Whicken from the MiP development team. I'm sure he'll give it the attention it deserves. Worth pointing out that I've archived analysis to mp3 and FLAC and never had any issues whatsoever - on a FLAC library of over 90k songs. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;324216 Wrote: Good thing you had made a backup (always recommended). You should report this to Whicken from the MiP development team. I'm sure he'll give it the attention it deserves. Worth pointing out that I've archived analysis to mp3 and FLAC and never had any issues whatsoever - on a FLAC library of over 90k songs. Thanks egd - glad I had the backup too! I've added to your post on the MiP forum - thanks for opening it. -- RoonieQ RoonieQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;323676 Wrote: No, you don't - that's my point. It's just that none of my tracks have the Music IP icon against them, and my music library is only showing those tracks (and artists) which have been processed - i.e. only a fraction of my collection so far. So I suppose I'll have to wait awhile if I want full visibility of my collection. -- itm itm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm not keen on archiving the MusicIP fingerprint data to tags on tracks. I tried it about a year ago and found that it stopped AAC and ALAC tracks playing on an iPod shuffle. The way that MusicIP added the tags changed the order of track atoms that the shuffle was expecting. It took me a long time to clean this up so I'd rather not take the risk again. -- mikerob mikerob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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itm;324322 Wrote: It's just that none of my tracks have the Music IP icon against them, and my music library is only showing those tracks (and artists) which have been processed - i.e. only a fraction of my collection so far. So I suppose I'll have to wait awhile if I want full visibility of my collection. That's surprising. Are your files all tagged properly? I think all that matters is that the artist and track name be correct. Here are the stats of my library from the MiP web page: Total songs 20,377 Mixable songs 14,511 Songs to validate 20,377 I have a lot of bootleg recordings in my library and this accounts for the vast majority of the songs that are not mixable. I attained this by only performing the add music operation from the MiP web page. How do you perform the validation process - is it from the web interface talking to the headless server or are you using the GUI? The reason that I ask is that the issue may be that you have multiple MiP databases. I ran into this myself. I'm running Linux. If you are running Linux as well, I may be able to help you out. I don't have any experience with MiP on Windows, so I don't know what issues there could be there. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Has anyone tried this plugin ? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49226 It works like a Freestyle mix from just one song. -- Wirrunna A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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itm;323263 Wrote: I've got a library of 70,000 tracks (which don't include podcasts), and the current MIP estimate is 28 weeks to analyse them all. I'm not sure I can wait 6 months for this!! Too many people get hung up on the analysis part of this. You can start using MIP before doing the lengthy analysis. I have not done the full analysis and I use MIP all of the time. Initially, it will based mixes strictly on your tags. This works quite well. When you perform the full analysis, each track is fingerprinted allowing more finely tuned mixes. Earler in this thread (which has gotten quite large!) a developer from MIP commented on this very topic confirming that MIP will work well even without full analysis. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Presumably you have to wait until the validation is complete before you can start using it? -- itm itm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;323540 Wrote: Too many people get hung up on the analysis part of this. You can start using MIP before doing the lengthy analysis. I have not done the full analysis and I use MIP all of the time. Initially, it will based mixes strictly on your tags. This works quite well. When you perform the full analysis, each track is fingerprinted allowing more finely tuned mixes. Earler in this thread (which has gotten quite large!) a developer from MIP commented on this very topic confirming that MIP will work well even without full analysis. If, without full analysis, it mixes just from tags, how does this differ from simply generating a random mix of a genre? BTW: Because of its slowness, I'm suspicious about how the analysis is actually done. I have a feeling there's this big locked room in India with a T1 line, rows and rows of desks, and. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Monkey-typing.jpg All of the workers gravely listening to each of our tunes on headphones before making their artistic decisions. Seriously, this is such a powerful tool that its really a shame that the setup is a barrier to the non-technical. I'm now comfortable using MIP. However, of the eight friends I've gotten into Squeezeboxen, all bright people, the only ones I will introduce MusicIP to are a computer store owner and a digital engineer. For the others, the setup and ongoing maintenance, when they stumble, would become my job:-( I am hoping that Logitech will license MIP as other companies have and properly integrate it into their product. The old Slim Devices got so much work for free from their enthusiastic user base that it gave management an odd, jealous attitude about outsiders making money from their product. Logitech is a real company with a history of paying real money for what they need. I'm hoping one of the company's Suits will read the feedback on this plugin and see the logic in properly embracing this process. -- Harry G Harry G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Harry G;323613 Wrote: If, without full analysis, it mixes just from tags, how does this differ from simply generating a random mix of a genre? BTW: Because of its slowness, I'm suspicious about how the analysis is actually done. I have a feeling there's this big locked room in India with a T1 line, rows and rows of desks, and. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Monkey-typing.jpg All of the workers gravely listening to each of our tunes on headphones before making their artistic decisions. Seriously, this is such a powerful tool that its really a shame that the setup is a barrier to the non-technical. I'm now comfortable using MIP. However, of the eight friends I've gotten into Squeezeboxen, all bright people, the only ones I will introduce MusicIP to are a computer store owner and a digital engineer. For the others, the setup and ongoing maintenance, when they stumble, would become my job:-( I am hoping that Logitech will license MIP as other companies have and properly integrate it into their product. The old Slim Devices got so much work for free from their enthusiastic user base that it gave management an odd, jealous attitude about outsiders making money from their product. Logitech is a real company with a history of paying real money for what they need. I'm hoping one of the company's Suits will read the feedback on this plugin and see the logic in properly embracing this process. It's a lot different than just a random mix. When you do the full anslysis, it looks to see if there is a fingerprint for the track in the MIP database (accessed over the internet). If there is, it applies it to the track. If not, it generates one. That's what takes time - to generate the fingerprint, it analyzes the audio data. If you don't do the full analysis, you still get valid mixes that work quite well. These mixes are still based on the algorithms used in MIP. You just *may* not have the best mix possible. For instance, a live version of a song might be handled differently than a studio version if a full analysis has been done. I suggest you read back in this thread. You will see that just adding the tracks creates mixable tracks from even the most obscure artists and albums. I have a lot of indie imported electronic music that is listed as mixable without doing any analysis. I was very impressed. I do agree that better integration would be nice. However, many of the issues lie on the MIP side. I run my MIP server headless on a Linux server and find that I have to restart it at least once a week. This, plus the lack of understanding on how to add tracks efficiently, what the advantage is of doing full analysis on tracks, what MIP is actually doing, and so on, are not issues with Logitech, but with *MIP*. Getting it going can certainly be a frustrating experience. I was lucky and found some good info on the 'net that helped and I was up and running with something in a short amount of time. But it took me time to figure out how to hack my init script to start MIP automatically when SC is started. I agree that there is room for improvement, but, IMHO, many of the issues lie at MIP's doorstep, not Logitech's. The community has done a great job of providing info (much of it developed in this thread), but it can only go so far with the current implementation. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I've got a library of 70,000 tracks (which don't include podcasts), and the current MIP estimate is 28 weeks to analyse them all. I'm not sure I can wait 6 months for this!! -- itm itm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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itm;323263 Wrote: I've got a library of 70,000 tracks (which don't include podcasts), and the current MIP estimate is 28 weeks to analyse them all. I'm not sure I can wait 6 months for this!! if your library is properly tagged and not too esoteric it shouldn't take too long to analyze. Mine is larger than that you mention and it certainly didn't take 6 months. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Harry G;323226 Wrote: Is it safe to tag tens of thousands of flac files at the same time in this manner? I did it when I first setup MusicIP. Tedious as hell making sure it did (this was under windows, so I made a current backup for each file tree, used MP3Tag to generate a tag-summary file for each folder, both on the backup and on the changed files, wrote a windows batch file to iterate through the tree, and diff each tag-summary file - -then- I started hand-comparing) AFAICT it worked just fine. Now I drop new music into a new folder, get MusicIP to do an analysis, save tags, compare, and finally move the music to wherever it belongs. Over-cautious? Yeah, probably... -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thank you all for the encouragements and cautions. I will proceed as suggested. I agree that backup is crucial. This is part of the reason I'm moving everything to a raid server AND keeping my backups. Let me add that I think it a good idea (just like with real work)to keep the backups off site. With the weird weather much of the world is having, I'd hate to lose my house and my music at the same time. I had significant earthquake damage in '89 when I still lived in SF. Dealing with the insurance claims adjuster was not fun. I don't think I could have convinced him that I lost several thousand CDs unless I could find all the receipts. -- Harry G Harry G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I've been happily using MusicIp for a few months now but I'm still trying to come to grips with the way the software creates a playlist. I understand that, when using MusicIp with SqueezeCenter, it is the settings within SqueezeCenter that dictates the outcome of the mix. However, whatever song I base the mix on, a different song from the same artist/album is repeated several times within the mix. In many cases, songs from the same artists/albums are repeated within the mix which greatly retricts the variety of the mix. I had understood the MusicIp selects songs that are sonically/acoustically similar to the seed song but, if that were the case, why am I getting songs in mixes by the same artist/album that are sonically/acoustically nothing like the seed song ? -- technojunkie technojunkie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Robin Bowes;307685 Wrote: How do I write the analysis info to the file tags? egd;307855 Wrote: Select all tracks you want to affect, right click and select Archive Analysis. On the Linux GUI you may have to go through a menu to do it, I've not used it in a very long time Is it safe to tag tens of thousands of flac files at the same time in this manner? Any conflict with ReplayGain? Any problem in doing so on an XP machine and then moving the tagged music files to a Linux box that will from then on be my SC server? Trying out MIP on a 2000 track subset of my library has me extremely impressed. However, chatter elsewhere about losing tagging info from using earlier revs of the program has me spooked. I've tagged over near 100,000 tracks over six years. If I had to do the same job again, I think I'd give up on music listening. I was going to add a ;-) to look friendly and cheerful, but honestly, the thought of losing the thousands of hours of work leaves me feeling chilled. -- Harry G Harry G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Harry G;323226 Wrote: Is it safe to tag tens of thousands of flac files at the same time in this manner? Any conflict with ReplayGain? Any problem in doing so on an XP machine and then moving the tagged music files to a Linux box that will from then on be my SC server? Trying out MIP on a 2000 track subset of my library has me extremely impressed. However, chatter elsewhere about losing tagging info from using earlier revs of the program has me spooked. I've tagged over near 100,000 tracks over six years. If I had to do the same job again, I think I'd give up on music listening. I was going to add a ;-) to look friendly and cheerful, but honestly, the thought of losing the thousands of hours of work leaves me feeling chilled. My experience of the MiP GUI with large volumes of tracks is that it isn't particularly stable, irrespective of platform. Whilst I'm not aware of any issues archiving tags with the current releases of MiP, I recommend you break your library down into more manageable chunks for the archiving operations - see the wiki entry for an example of how you can break it down. If you've currently got one .m3lib file covering the whole shooting match and it was generated in MiP GUI under Windows, make as many copies of it as you create sub-folders to move parts of your library to, then move a copy of the .m3lib into the root folder of the portion of the library you want to work on and have MiP GUI refresh songs using that m3lib (ie double click on the .m3lib file and select refresh from within MiP GUI. it'll eliminate the tracks it doesn't find from that copy of the m3lib. Once that'd done archive the analysis. There are no RG compatibility issues. As a parting comment, whether or not you choose to archive the tags, you should have a backup of your library. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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A sincere thank you to all the posters in this thread! Based on all the information gathered here I finally have a working MusicIP/Squeeze Centre setup with 28000+ tracks. Woohoo! Much appreciated. -- pufnstuf pufnstuf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, whatboutbob;321660 Wrote: Is there a jive file for 7.1 that I'm missing? schiegl;321587 Wrote: ... SBC version from http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.1/ As your SC version is really up-to-date you should use the latest SBC version, too. Did you see the file jive_7.1_r2704.bin? kind regards, Markus -- schiegl schiegl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;320862 Wrote: My little server took about 5 Weeks to analyze my library (four of which I was not at home, so fine...). I had some esoteric stuff there, too (own recordings, audio books) and it took about all of the time for 25% of the library. The other 75% went through within an day. One note about that: before starting your scan, go into the MusicIP preferences and set up some exclusions. For instance, I tell it not to analyze files that contain the word podcast (all my podcasts go into a folder named /mnt/media/music/podcasts so that catches them all). If you have lots of audio or spoken word, I would make sure to tell MusicIP not to analyze them. They'll still be available in the library, but it won't spend the analysis time. Note you can also exclude them from mixes. This is only available in the GUI unfortunately, out of luck if you're only running linux headless. You can run the GUI to make these changes, exit, then start the headless server though, if that's a possibility on your box. -- thing-fish ' Most Recent Tracks' (http://www.last.fm/user/thing-fish/?chartstyle=basicrt10) thing-fish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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schiegl;321682 Wrote: Hi, Did you see the file jive_7.1_r2704.bin? kind regards, Markus I did not. Sorry, but thank you! Getting it now. (I was looking in http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/7.1/ ) -- whatboutbob whatboutbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16781 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dagnammit...i had musicip working nicely and then i had some odd network issues (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50012). Now I can create musicip playlists via SC (7.1 - 21927) but I no longer get the option via the duet controller (which says v 7.0.1 r2448 - and software updates don't work). I've tried rebuilding the MiP DB, then the SC DB. I've ensured MIP headless is starting prior to SC. Now I'm just going around in circles. Can anyone think what I'm missing? -- whatboutbob whatboutbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16781 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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whatboutbob;321561 Wrote: Now I can create musicip playlists via SC (*7.1* - 21927) but I no longer get the option via the duet controller (which says *v 7.0.1* r2448 - and software updates don't work). I don't think mixing those two versions is supported. I'd try an updated version for your duet controller although i don't know why the software update doesn't work. You could manually fetch a current SBC version from http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.1/ As your SC version is really up-to-date you should use the latest SBC version, too. kind regards, Markus -- schiegl schiegl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for the reply. How does one manually update the SBC? I've seen the question asked in other threads but am yet to see a response. -- whatboutbob whatboutbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16781 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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whatboutbob;321648 Wrote: Thanks for the reply. How does one manually update the SBC? I've seen the question asked in other threads but am yet to see a response. Ok, never mind. Managed to upgrade to 7.0.1 r2502m via SD card. Hasn't resolved the issue though. Still can't generate playlists from the SBC. :( Is there a jive file for 7.1 that I'm missing? -- whatboutbob whatboutbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16781 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tamanaco;320793 Wrote: last.fm gets a new Web UI... Hmmm, is the last.fm Dashboard gone? The last interface badly needed updting and i think the new one is better... but it takes a bit of getting used to. It's great to be able to see you Loved Tracks and to see the My Playlist facility expanded but Shoutbox has been relegated riight down the bottom of a long page... and is very missable. Anyway, what's this got to do with MusicIP (on which I have given up after three weeks I'd only managed to scan half of my collection)? MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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RoonieQ;320762 Wrote: What's the consensus on archiving Apple lossless files once one's analysis is complete? I can't seem to find a clear recommendation as to best practice. If MiP supports it then archive it, the rationale being the same as for any other files. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ModelCitizen;320850 Wrote: Anyway, what's this got to do with MusicIP (on which I have given up after three weeks I'd only managed to scan half of my collection)?How big and/ or esoteric is the collection? -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;320852 Wrote: How big and/ or esoteric is the collection? Hmm, just had a look, it's eclectic, but not what I'd call esoteric, looking at it your library shouldn't take that long to analyze. My little server took about 5 Weeks to analyze my library (four of which I was not at home, so fine...). I had some esoteric stuff there, too (own recordings, audio books) and it took about all of the time for 25% of the library. The other 75% went through within an day. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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BTW, does MIP track how often you play something? I'm just asking because I just had a look at my LastFM account and found out that my library is dramatically dominate (in terms of # of plays) by my iPEng test playlist (like 2500 listenings vs. xx listenings for stuff I feel I listen to typically). Will have to make sure my mac stops scrobbling... But I don't want MIP to prefer those a lot over the rest of my library. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Not AFAIK...MiP has no way of knowing whether or not you've actually listened to a playlist it has generated. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;320867 Wrote: Not AFAIK...MiP has no way of knowing whether or not you've actually listened to a playlist it has generated. http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp MusipIP does support Playcount (see get Playcount in the link above), and you can create a filter which limits (or recipe which nudges) your created playlist either towards or away from often played tracks. This may only be if you have the premium version (are Power Tools still only in the premium version?). You will need something to keep track of your played tracks though and import this back to MIP. That said, I gave up trying to get MIP to keep up to date with my track information (this was a few versions back, mind) because it kept double counting plays of some but not all tracks. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ModelCitizen;320850 Wrote: Anyway, what's this got to do with MusicIP (on which I have given up after three weeks I'd only managed to scan half of my collection)? MC Well, functionally speaking... nothing. But given that MusicIP generates different playlists, somewhat based on specific MusicIP settings, it is nice to be able view the top artist and tracks (moods) these setting generate over time in last.fm. The bar graphs on top artist and tracks makes this a little easy on the eyes. Am I the only one doing this? -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;320236 Wrote: OK, the long scanning of my library is through, I'm back from vacation so I tested this. Looks fine, but I've got one issue: Some of my albums (few but noticable) show up with a wrong cover. There don't seem to be any reasons I note (the albums live in different subfolders, have a folder.jpg, some have artwork embedded in the mp3, but that's correct as well). Does anybody else experience this? Sorry, can't say I've come across that one Pippin. I'll look into it. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I think this screenshot says it all... +---+ |Filename: Screenshot.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5457| +---+ -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;320703 Wrote: I think this screenshot says it all...why go through two scans when one will do? In my case: because every time I've tried an MIP-only scan before, something went wrong. In particular, all my artwork disappeared. However, that was when I could only build mixes on playlists; perhaps it would be better now. But while I'm doing scan for new/changed, it makes little difference anyway: the directory scan is fast, the MIP scan is much slower (by an order of magnitude). Maybe next time I want to do a complete wipe-and-scan I'll try unchecking the music folder; but not until then, because if it screws up, I'll end up having to do a double-scan from fresh all over again. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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What's the consensus on archiving Apple lossless files once one's analysis is complete? I can't seem to find a clear recommendation as to best practice. -- RoonieQ RoonieQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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last.fm gets a new Web UI... Hmmm, is the last.fm Dashboard gone? -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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How does musicIP actually work, does it just scan the Genre tags, or is it more intelligent than that? -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.1b (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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autopilot;319714 Wrote: How does musicIP actually work, does it just scan the Genre tags, or is it more intelligent than that? It carries out an acoustic analysis of the waveform to decide on the track's attributes. Genre is ignored in the analysis, however, you can use Genre as an additional filter by limiting the playlist to music from a specific genre. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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As one who has just been through the struggle to integrate MusicIP with Squeezecenter I would like to add support to JohnnyLightOn's post. Slim has gone to the trouble to add MusicIP support to Squeezecenter so why not make it easier to actually get it to work? Letting people try, fail and then get frustrated doesn't seem like a good idea to me. In my case I finally cracked it by following this step: run net start MusicIP Server found on the MusicIP site. Either it is missing from the Spicefly guide or I didn't spot it. It's great when you finally get it working though. -- Mushroom_3 Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JohnnyLightOn;314487 Wrote: Integrating SC and MusicIP is way, WAY too complicated at present. It's crazy in its complexity and difficulty. If what you mean is full integration... meaning that as you install SC the MusicIP engine is installed, configured and all its functions are fully integrated and accessible via the SC Web UI, then I'd agree with you. What I'd like is to able to interface with the MusicIP server from within the SC UI (All the current Spicfly Web UI functions within the plugin settings). This way I can add validated songs to my library in couple steps without having to use two UIs. Being able to optionally start the MusicIP client validating process from within the SC UI before continuing to add new and changed music to the library would be great... but I imagine this is more complicated. I think the purposed of the wiki is to first get users to understand what MusicIP does within the context of SC and eventually (as details are added) to show users how the service can be installed and configured to work with SC. I still don't really understand how to control the characteristics of the MusicIP mixes, and I don't think I ever will, as MusicIP mixing is not an exact science. Most times I'm positively-surprised with the resulting mixes... but sometimes I wonder which MusicIP Gremlin mixed a seed Brazilian Samba song with Tchaikovsky's 1812 Ouverture. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mushroom_3;314544 Wrote: As one who has just been through the struggle to integrate MusicIP with Squeezecenter I would like to add support to JohnnyLightOn's post. Slim has gone to the trouble to add MusicIP support to Squeezecenter so why not make it easier to actually get it to work? Letting people try, fail and then get frustrated doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Amen, we could do with some documentation. I'm sure the developers (KDF?)of the Plugin could add quite a bit of insight to what we've collectively been able to glean through trial and error. Can you let me know whether you used the Wiki entry @ http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter in trying to set it up, and if so, what was lacking. I've been lazy about adding Windows guidance, partly because Spicefly has it covered, partly because I'm too lazy to try to get it working on Windows, but mostly because my desktop environment is Linux so I'm hardly ever confronted with Windows. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Yes I did use that wiki entry as my start point. From there I found the spicefly site and the relevant page on musicip.com. I did not understand some of it and it took a while for the penny to drop that most of it was for Linux (of which I know next to nothing). I was able to get it working under Windows using that page as my main reference. Thank you for your efforts. -- Mushroom_3 Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;313598 Wrote: When you load MiP's HTTP API you should have a fourth button appear along with a message next to it stating that the cache has changed - if I recall correctly is is the Reload Cache button. You shouldn't have hit Refresh Songs, which I'm guessing is what you've referred to as musicIP refresh. I see I screwed up the Wiki instructions - my apologies...they're now corrected :/ I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux. On this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button. Also, I don't see in the API reference an API to reload the cache (http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp). What is the actual API that is being used? Is there an equivalent button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface? Thanks! Rich -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;314328 Wrote: I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux. On this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button. Also, I don't see in the API reference an API to reload the cache (http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp). What is the actual API that is being used? Is there an equivalent button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface? Thanks! Rich One thing to watch out for here is that you have pointed the headless version to the right .m3lib file. I had an issue a few months back when I upgraded to a new version of MIP and my headless set up stopped updating. I eventually worked out that my old default.m3lib in the MIP directory had been superceded by a different default.m3lib in a different user specific directory. This was on Windows, so may not be an issue under Linux, but definitely worth checking. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;314328 Wrote: I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux. On this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button. Rich I think the reload cache button only appears in the Spicefly's web UI when you add (validate) new tracks. This is what happens in my Windows setup. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tamanaco;314338 Wrote: I think the reload cache button only appears in the Spicefly's web UI when you add (validate) new tracks. This is what happens in my Windows setup. OK. I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks capability. I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting without having to do the full validation. Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the tracks? I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;314340 Wrote: OK. I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks capability. I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting without having to do the full validation. Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the tracks? I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation.Your mixes will get much better once you do. The only hassle is in the beginning, after that even a couple of hundred track only take minutes now on mine. The updating the cache is about a minute of time. Take the time at the beginning and you won't have much to do later. On Spices web interface the button only shows up if it needs updating. I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of the SC scan. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;314340 Wrote: OK. I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks capability. I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting without having to do the full validation. Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the tracks? I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation. If in the SpiceFly UI to the MusicIP server the number of Total Songs equals the number of Validated Songs in your library, what would be the use of reloading the cache? When I get new CDs I rip them to my FLAC library, then I run the MusicIP Windows client to validate the new added tracks, after validation I start the SpiceFly Web UI (at this point Total Songs does not equal Validated Songs) and click reload cache. My last step is to use the SC Web interface settings to add new and changed music. This is the way I've been doing it for a while now. Maybe I'm doing it wrong or there is a better way of doing this. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Nonreality;314359 Wrote: I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of the SC scan. A few posts back I mentioned that maybe incorporating or adding some of the functions of the SpiceFly Web UI in the MusicIP plugin or in the SC basic settings page might save us a couple steps when adding new validated tracks or when we want to change the MusicIP server settings. Currently I have to use the MusicIP Windows client, SpiceFly's MusicIP server Web UI and the SC Web UI. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Nonreality;314359 Wrote: I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of the SC scan.That's already addressed in the Wiki - assuming of course that what you're referring to is avoiding having SC rescan the entire library when you edit/ add a track or album to your library and update MiP's database/ cache? -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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maggior;314328 Wrote: I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux. On this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button. Also, I don't see in the API reference an API to reload the cache (http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp). What is the actual API that is being used? Is there an equivalent button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface? FYI, Reload Cache will only appear (in Spicefly's or the default) HTTP API page when MiP headless detects that the MiP library/ cache has changed since it last read it. Not sure what the API call is, the HTML may inform you. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tamanaco;314365 Wrote: When I get new CDs I rip them to my FLAC library, then I run the MusicIP Windows client to validate the new added tracks, after validation I start the SpiceFly Web UI (at this point Total Songs does not equal Validated Songs) and click reload cache. My last step is to use the SC Web interface settings to add new and changed music. This is the way I've been doing it for a while now. Maybe I'm doing it wrong or there is a better way of doing this.It's the same principle I've employed using Genpuid. With Genpuid you can automate the process if required. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Integrating SC and MusicIP is way, WAY too complicated at present. It's ridiculous in its complexity and its inelegance. I'm an expert user, have done programming, etc., and after a couple hours of messing around with this, still haven't been able to get it to work. Never mind why, I'm sure if I kept at it after another couple hours it might work (then stop working, then miraculously start working, etc.). Please understand that I appreciate the effort here, but honest feedback needs to be given. Here is what needs to be changed for this to be anything but one giant unprofessional, embarrassing kludge: - However musicip is to be installed, whether it be a gui program, headless, a service with no running program, etc., it should be completely installed and configured for SC after running a simple installation program. - It should make no difference in what order SC and musicip load. None. To have to figure out which one must load first is a headache users should not have to deal with. This can be fixed in SC, or better in the musicip SC plugin. These are only two changes. None of the above is anything unusual. The most niche programs from the smallest software companies do it like this. Sorry for the rant, but this is a big waste of peoples' time at the moment and only the most sophisticated and determined users will use it. It would be so much more productive to do the work on the developers' end. The result would be a tenfold increase in users - and hopefully in business to the musicip folks. -- JohnnyLightOn JohnnyLightOn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=28 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JohnnyLightOn;314487 Wrote: Integrating SC and MusicIP is way, WAY too complicated at present. It's crazy in its complexity and difficulty.There's really nothing complicated about it, there are just a few must have conditions that will make or break it and they're addressed in the Wiki entry. If you follow them step by step you will get a working integration, regardless of platform. 90% of what's in the Wiki is aimed at helping explain how MiP works (eg analysis options/how to do it, archiving tags etc.) rather than being instructions to set it up JohnnyLightOn;314487 Wrote: These are only two changes. Neither is anything unusual. The most niche programs from the smallest software companies do it like this, and they would not survive if they didn't. (I guess there should be a third change: it has to work without much additional effort for most people.)SC and MiP are two independent programs that were written without one another in mind. I agree the integration can be a lot tighter etc. and I suspect (perhaps incorrectly) that over time the level of sophistication may well increase and a lot of the stuff one needs to do will just be taken care of. For the moment though, it is what it is, SC works fine without MiP and visa versa - if you take the trouble to integrate them the results are worthwhile -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MusicIP is screwing up my tags or something. Does anyone else run into this problem? -- ezkcdude There are 10 kind of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. SHINYMETAL '*Site*' (http://www.ezdiyaudio.com)| '*RSS*' (http://www2.kumc.edu/students/ezamir/rss/ezdiyaudio.xml) |'*Forum*' (http://ezdiyaudio.informe.com) ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ezkcdude;313954 Wrote: MusicIP is screwing up my tags or something. Does anyone else run into this problem? In what way? Changing them, or not recognising them? Have you disabled the fix tags option in the MIP GUI (this is windows, not sure the same option exists in Linux)? -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ezkcdude;313954 Wrote: MusicIP is screwing up my tags or something. Does anyone else run into this problem?Could you elaborate on the problem you're experiencing? -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;313957 Wrote: Could you elaborate on the problem you're experiencing? Headless doesn't write/ modify tags at all. Well, I determined it wasn't a problem with MusicIP, but with my tagging program. -- ezkcdude There are 10 kind of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. SHINYMETAL '*Site*' (http://www.ezdiyaudio.com)| '*RSS*' (http://www2.kumc.edu/students/ezamir/rss/ezdiyaudio.xml) |'*Forum*' (http://ezdiyaudio.informe.com) ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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No apologies needed. IMHO this is one of those incremental improvements until it's better things. Any notion if it's possible to get the headless MusicIP to reload its cache -without- the web interface? There seem to be two issues being solved here: - when using look for new and changed music in SC/settings, the MusicIP Import takes just as long as when using clear library and rescan everything: Even using the web interface, it looks like we might have a solution for that. - automated updates: I actually care if the rescan procedure takes five hours, so long as it can happen from, say 2AM to 7AM. Faster would be better, of course, but being able to just put music in my music folders and have it in MusicIP and SC the next morning would be really good. Feel free to tell me I've gotten it all wrong...(?) -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bobkoure;313708 Wrote: No apologies needed. IMHO this is one of those incremental improvements until it's better things. Ahem, if you'd not followed my incorrect instructions its likely SC's scan would have been a pretty snappy affair. bobkoure;313708 Wrote: Any notion if it's possible to get the headless MusicIP to reload its cache -without- the web interface?AFAIK the instruction to reload the cache can only be isued via the HTTP API, however, I saw something a while back using wget to emulate the button press and I used to shut down my ReadyNAS (I got rid of it a long time back) from a Linux script too, so it would be possible under Linux, and possibly Windows too. bobkoure;313708 Wrote: There seem to be two issues being solved here: - when using look for new and changed music in SC/settings, the MusicIP Import takes just as long as when using clear library and rescan everything: Even using the web interface, it looks like we might have a solution for that.?I'm on the other side of the world so can't test it but I think this is solved, the Wiki instructions have been updated to reflect what I did in my earlier test. bobkoure;313708 Wrote: - automated updates: I actually care if the rescan procedure takes five hours, so long as it can happen from, say 2AM to 7AM. Faster would be better, of course, but being able to just put music in my music folders and have it in MusicIP and SC the next morning would be really good..?The speed part should be taken care of as a result of successfully scanning changes only rather than rebuilding the SC DB. The automation aspect should be pretty simple too - cron for Linux and Windows Scheduler for Windows calling the update scripts. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Wiki has now been updated to include improved method of incorporating new/ changed albums/ tracks etc. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;313164 Wrote: Having a 90k+ track library is enough incentive to seek to solve the problem :) We are not worthy :) More seriously, yeah, I'm only in the 40k range, it's a bit cumbrous - and less than half what you're dealing with. I'll take on writing the windows script(s). Anyone have an idea as to whether genpuid can simply be passed a music folder root when using '/r'? Guess I'll test when I get home tonight if nobody knows... -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
bobkoure;313512 Wrote: We are not worthy :) Actually I think I'm the dumbass in this equation - when I think of how much money has been spent on just the music, let alone the storage, I'm hard pressed to justify it, yet I keep going back for more. Guess it beats gambling, drugs and prositutes, but is somewhat of an addiction nevertheless :) -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Here's a first cut at a windows script Code: setlocal set key=1234567890abcdef1234567890abcdef set cache=C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR_NAME\Application Data\MusicIP\MusicIP Mixer\default.m3lib set musicdir=D:\MUSIC %~dp0genpuid.exe %key% -m3lib=%cache% -archive -r %musicdir% endlocal save as a .bat or .cmd file in the same directory as genpuid.exe. I've tried it, it works - but I don't see any reduction in the time taken for MusicIP Import. I ran the script above, then the musicIP refresh, then reload cache, then look for new and changed music in SC. Or should I have not run refresh? I'm pretty sure reload cache is necessary, or the (headless) MusicIP wouldn't have the new data generated by genpuid... right? -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
bobkoure;313597 Wrote: I've tried it, it works - but I don't see any reduction in the time taken for MusicIP Import. I ran the script above, then the musicIP refresh, then reload cache, then look for new and changed music in SC. Or should I have not run refresh? I'm pretty sure reload cache is necessary, or the (headless) MusicIP wouldn't have the new data generated by genpuid... right?When you load MiP's HTTP API you should have a fourth button appear along with a message next to it stating that the cache has changed - if I recall correctly is is the Reload Cache button. You shouldn't have hit Refresh Songs, which I'm guessing is what you've referred to as musicIP refresh. I see I screwed up the Wiki instructions - my apologies... :/ -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for taking the time to both figure that one out - ant to post it! I just got a copy of genpuid. Getting a copy is a bit more involved than just downloading something; go 'here' (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/genpuid) for a step-by-step at MusicBrainz. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
I started to write up some notes about GenPuid on the wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Automating_MusicIP_with_GenPuid It's not finished, but should be understandable from the notes. GenPuid seems to work well from my tests, and is a good candidate for automating the whole import/scan process if you're up for a bit of scripting. Stuart bobkoure wrote: Thanks for taking the time to both figure that one out - ant to post it! I just got a copy of genpuid. Getting a copy is a bit more involved than just downloading something; go 'here' (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/genpuid) for a step-by-step at MusicBrainz. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
hickinbottoms;313153 Wrote: I started to write up some notes about GenPuid on the wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Automating_MusicIP_with_GenPuid It's not finished, but should be understandable from the notes. GenPuid seems to work well from my tests, and is a good candidate for automating the whole import/scan process if you're up for a bit of scripting.I must be obsessed logging in from an airport lounge whilst in transit :P In any event...Stuart, you'd made a comment in the MiP integration wiki pages to consider integrating the two entries. It's a good idea, do you have the time? I'll be adding some entries on using Filters and Moods when I've figured out a little more and find myself with an evening to kill whilst on this trip. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
bobkoure;313125 Wrote: Thanks for taking the time to both figure that one out - and to post it!Having a 90k+ track library is enough incentive to seek to solve the problem :) I tired of SC rescan running for over an hour everytime I added or edited anything in my library. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Yep - I'll give that a go when I get a moment. Stuart egd wrote: hickinbottoms;313153 Wrote: I started to write up some notes about GenPuid on the wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Automating_MusicIP_with_GenPuid It's not finished, but should be understandable from the notes. GenPuid seems to work well from my tests, and is a good candidate for automating the whole import/scan process if you're up for a bit of scripting.I must be obsessed logging in from an airport lounge whilst in transit :P In any event...Stuart, you'd made a comment in the MiP integration wiki pages to consider integrating the two entries. It's a good idea, do you have the time? I'll be adding some entries on using Filters and Moods when I've figured out a little more and find myself with an evening to kill whilst on this trip. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
lork;312651 Wrote: Nb: mmm.ini file I'm editing is in /home/a2/MusicIP/MusicMagicMixer/mmm.ini ... if this is the wrong file (maybe it has a copy somewhere else?) then maybe my command isn't being seen. try copying mmm.ini to ~/.MusicMagic/ and restarting MiP SC. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Success! I went to .MusicMagic, did ls -la, and it returned nothing beyond a . and a .. - I suspect these are directories? copied mmm.ini to .MusicMagic using (from the /home/a2/MusicIP/MusicMagicMixer directory) sudo cp mmm.ini ~/.MusicMagic/ checked using ls -la, and it was now there. Rebooted, added tracks, rebooted and localhost:10002 shows the tracks are still recognized as added... so the cache must have survived. In addition, default.m3lib has shown up in my /home/a2 directory (I may move it around by changing mmm.ini later). Previously it had never shown up anywhere I could find... so it may be that previously the cache was never written anywhere? I'm unclear how SC could have rescanned the tracks from MIP in that case, unless it accesses memory directly via MIP and so neither depends on the cache if using tracks added since reboot. I also have no idea why mmm.ini was not in the right place; seems odd. Many thanks! Already MIP provided a very pleasant mix for the evening, with just a click- does appear to be worth the effort, and makes me all the more appreciative of the assistance. Now to read the man page on dir; thought I had that right... -- lork lork's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
lork;312776 Wrote: I went to .MusicMagic, did ls -la, and it returned nothing beyond a . and a .. - I suspect these are directories? Yes, current and previous/parent directory respectively. lork;312776 Wrote: copied mmm.ini to .MusicMagic using (from the /home/a2/MusicIP/MusicMagicMixer directory) sudo cp mmm.ini ~/.MusicMagic/ checked using ls -la, and it was now there.No need to use sudo when copying files within your home directory, you can access them without having root access. lork;312776 Wrote: Rebooted, added tracks, rebooted and localhost:10002 shows the tracks are still recognized as added... so the cache must have survived. In addition, default.m3lib has shown up in my /home/a2 directory (I may move it around by changing mmm.ini later). Previously it had never shown up anywhere I could find... so it may be that previously the cache was never written anywhere? I'm unclear how SC could have rescanned the tracks from MIP in that case, unless it accesses memory directly via MIP and so neither depends on the cache if using tracks added since reboot. No idea, however, I suspect it would have been written somewhere, perhaps to a temp folder... lork;312776 Wrote: I also have no idea why mmm.ini was not in the right place; seems odd. This is something I should have added to the Wiki - under Linux MiP will always look for mmm.ini in ~/.MusicMagic. There is no way around this other than using a symbolic link. As MiP doesn't have an install routine under Linux (MiP's fault, nothing to do with Linux) the files are just dumped from the tar file. MiP's documentation is all over the place - this is my biggest gripe with it, there's no central, logically organised repository to help you figure things out. It's all trial and error, but at least I think we've figured out the basics well enough to make it useful. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
trkster;312522 Wrote: lork;312454 Wrote: Same problem as described by Lork, but I'm running headless on Windows XP Pro. Looking for answers also. It's solved for MiP under Linux in '*post 261*' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=312765postcount=261) I've no idea where mmm.ini should go under Win - probably inside Local Settings\username\Application Data\MusicIP or something along those lines. It might pay to have a look at the guidance on Splicefly's website re configuring MiP under XP. Sorry, but I don't have an installation running under Windows. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
Hey, egd- FWIW, I actually did have to use sudo, despite being in the same directory as the file. It refused to do a plain cp, so I sudo'd it and it worked. Maybe has to do with the permissions on .MusicMagic ? Also just FYI, after I did the http://localhost:10002/api/flush command you suggest, MIP still shows that it sees all my music... I assume this flush should clear the cache let me do a fresh add tracks from zero? If it's supposed to do something else, then it's probably working- it shows a blank screen with a 1 in the upper left corner. Everythign seems to be working fine, though. Thanks again for all the help over the past few days! -- lork lork's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!
trkster;312522 Wrote: I can get MIP to work ( create mixes), but every time I restart my server I have to go though the MIP add tracks routine Read 'MusicIP Headless Mode on Vista' (http://spicefly.com/content/view/59/32/) at Spicefly's site - scan down to the section labeled *How to tie Headless with the GUI*, and, well, follow the directions. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
