Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
philchillbill wrote: > Try it for 7 days for free. Install is 2 mins. i can't see any mediaserver skill, i live in italy Touchx2,radiox4, Squeezebox Server 7.9 (Raspberrypi 3 and qnap ts-269) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
It needs to have the LMS built in Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
nervoteso wrote: > is it easier than chromeclast streaming from nas with this skill? ii > tried chromeclast on google home and it was full of problems Try it for 7 days for free. Install is 2 mins. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
is it easier than chromeclast streaming from nas with this skill? ii tried chromeclast on google home and it was full of problems Touchx2,radiox4, Squeezebox Server 7.9 (Raspberrypi 3 and qnap ts-269) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
philippe_44 wrote: > I think Ill remove the generate option because its an optional step > but everybody seems to think its mandatory. All you need to do is > select the helper and start. Other steps are tweaks. I think that > calling the installation « its not fun » is a bit unfair. It's more fun than setting up Custom Browse & Custom Scan! :p And it's a bit of a challenge, as I have mentioned before, to get it to work with 'player names containing Unicode characters' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?105198-ANNOUNCE-AirPlay-Bridge-integrate-AirPlay-devices-with-LMS-(squeeze2raop)=974389=1#post974389). And I also said that > But once set up, it works really well. Which it does, and I wouldn't want to miss it. (Same goes for Custom Browse & Custom Scan.) As to removing the "generate" option: You're the expert. But some of your plugin users are not. I struggled with the installation. But with your help, I managed to get it running smoothly. I'm depending on both AirPlay Bridge and the Custom Browse / Custom Scan Combo, so thank you. QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dolodobendan wrote: > The installation process isn't much fun, true. The same goes for the > AirPlay bridge (that's the one I use). But once set up, it works really > well. I wrote myself a step-by-step installation guide for LMS which I > now just follow blindly. Here's the AirPlay part (for AirPlay, I think > it looks pretty much the same for UPnP): > > AirPlay Bridge: > > > 1. Select Binary: ~static > 2. Apply > 3. Configuration file: Generate > 4. Wait > 5. [Common Parameters] - Select player: Player information: Choose > name > 6. Network interface: Use LMS' network interface > 7. Apply > 8. Start the Bridge > 9. Apply > > You might have to delete upnpbridge.xml and upnpbridge.prefs > (/SlimServer/ and /SlimServer/prefs) and restart LMS before trying this > (That's if you want to try this AGAIN, which you probably and > understandably don't want to.) I think Ill remove the generate option because its an optional step but everybody seems to think its mandatory. All you need to do is select the helper and start. Other steps are tweaks LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
Thats an Amazon limitation, not mine [emoji854] philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
philchillbill wrote: > But the skill is simple to install in 2 mins and you can play with it to > see what you think [emoji41] > > Alexa, tell MediaServer to STREAM some rock. > > The 1st post in that thread is always up to date. I managed to stream a playlist to my Echo Dot, and yes, it appeared as a player in LMS, but as far as being able to control it, it sucks. If I need to talk to it to kickstart it into action then it's not for me. Thanks. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
But the skill is simple to install in 2 mins and you can play with it to see what you think [emoji41] philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
d6jg wrote: > No. The Echo things are not upnp/dlna devices at all. Neither are they > Airplay or Chromecast capable. It's Amazon's own protocol. Thanks, I obviously didn't know that. I thought that nowadays every device supports at least UPnP/DLNA. @kidstypike: So it's not you! Cheers! ;) QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dolodobendan wrote: > Shouldn't they work side by side? No. The Echo things are not upnp/dlna devices at all. Neither are they Airplay or Chromecast capable. It's Amazon's own protocol. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
d6jg wrote: > The upnp bridge is not what you need. Its explained in the relevant > Mediaskill post in 3rd Party Software > > EDIT. > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS Shouldn't they work side by side? QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
kidstypike wrote: > Thanks. > > If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then > I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again) > to install and configure this plugin, but it causes me problems. Cannot > generate a configuration file, loss of control of LMS, all players > disappear into the ether. I've uninstalled it (again). > > Sorry to appear to be scathing about the bridge plugin, *probably user > error*, but it's not for me. > > I thought there may be an easy way to get an Alexa device to appear as > an LMS player, I'll keep looking. The installation process isn't much fun, true. The same goes for the AirPlay bridge (that's the one I use). But once set up, it works really well. I wrote myself a step-by-step installation guide for LMS which I now just follow blindly. Here's the AirPlay part (for AirPlay, I think it looks pretty much the same for UPnP): AirPlay Bridge: 1. Select Binary: ~static 2. Apply 3. Configuration file: Generate 4. Wait 5. [Common Parameters] -> Select player: Player information: Choose name 6. Network interface: Use LMS' network interface 7. Apply 8. Start the Bridge 9. Apply You might have to delete upnpbridge.xml and upnpbridge.prefs (/SlimServer/ and /SlimServer/prefs) and restart LMS before trying this (That's if you want to try this AGAIN, which you probably and understandably don't want to.) QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
It appears as a player LMS while playing. Not when offline. The reason is that playback must be initiated by voice so having a permanent pseudo player makes no sense. No plugins are needed - just try a Stream command and the player will magically appear. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
Read post 1 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
d6jg wrote: > The upnp bridge is not what you need. Its explained in the relevant > Mediaskill post in 3rd Party Software > > EDIT. > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS Thanks. The thread contains nearly 1000 posts. Can you narrow it down a bit? :) *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
kidstypike wrote: > Thanks. > > If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then > I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again) > to install and configure this plugin, but it causes me problems. Cannot > generate a configuration file, loss of control of LMS, all players > disappear into the ether. I've uninstalled it (again). > > Sorry to appear to be scathing about the bridge plugin, *probably user > error*, but it's not for me. > > I thought there may be an easy way to get an Alexa device to appear as > an LMS player, I'll keep looking. The upnp bridge is not what you need. Its explained in the relevant Mediaskill post in 3rd Party Software VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dolodobendan wrote: > Just guessing here, but Philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge comes to mind. Thanks. If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again) to install and configure this plugin, but it causes me problems. Cannot generate a configuration file, loss of control of LMS, all players disappear into the ether. I've uninstalled it (again). Sorry to appear to be scathing about the bridge plugin, *probably user error*, but it's not for me. I thought there may be an easy way to get an Alexa device to appear as an LMS player, I'll keep looking. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
kidstypike wrote: > I've set up and linked to my Amazon account, I can tell Alexa to play > xxx on any of my connected squeezeboxes, how do I get my Echo Show 8 to > appear as a player in LMS? > > Thank you. Just guessing here, but Philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge comes to mind. QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
I've set up and linked to my Amazon account, I can tell alexa to play xxx on any of my connected squeezeboxes, how do I get my Echo Show 8 to appear as a player in LMS? Thank you. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
nervoteso wrote: > really? is iot possible to stream my squeezebox music stored on nas on > alexa? is ity possible on google home? No idea about Google Home, but for Alexa see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS or https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
philchillbill wrote: > You -do- know there's a decent Alexa skill called MediaServer that will > control that 'good system' of yours by voice ? And also allow you to > stream LMS-sourced songs to that Echo Show if you like... really? is iot possible to stream my squeezebox music stored on nas on alexa? is ity possible on google home? Touchx2,radiox4, Squeezebox Server 7.9 (Raspberrypi 3 and qnap ts-269) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
jimbobvfr400 wrote: > If you're finding you use Alexa with an Echo speaker then you can get > much better audio quality simply by plugging your Echo to your stereo, > there's a 3.5mm analogue output in the back which while it's not exactly > the best quality will still be much better through your stereo.. I know but for just background listening, Echo Show 10 is a decent table radio. Theres a place for it. RadioParadise, Jazzgroove, all there. Im first in line for upgraded Echo Link or a Show with optical outs. Hopefully with Apple joining the hi Rez fray, therell be some new devices soon. Logitech, you all dont know what you had so far ahead of its time. dmcdayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
If you're finding you use Alexa with an Echo speaker then you can get much better audio quality simply by plugging your Echo to your stereo, there's a 3.5mm analogue output in the back which while it's not exactly the best quality will still be much better through your stereo. The disadvantage of using your speaker this way is that all audio is sent via the output of it's plugged in, you'll only hear Alexa respond when the stereo is on, this is easily solved by simply adding an extra device (wait til the sales and add a cheap echo dot to your stereo) You can use your existing echo to ask for music to play on the Dot connected to the stereo, you can even set your other speaker to default music playback on the stereo Echo Dot if you wanted. You can do a similar thing in the Google infrastructure, however none of the Google speakers have a line out, if you can find a Chromecast Audio, sadly.nonlonger available new, or use a HDMI from a normal Chromecast, you can request music on the Chromecast using your voice, and again set any smart speaker to default music playback to the Chromecast Audio. Chromecasts of all types (including Google smart speakers) can all be used as extra squeezebox zones as well if you install the absolutely excellent Chromecast bridge plugin so a Chromecast audio can really give you the best of both worlds. jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
NFLnut wrote: > I don't come to the forum as much as I used to (not enough time anymore) > and just saw your reply .. > > I too constantly go through a guilt phase where I KNOW that my Alexa > speakers are always spying on me. And my "smart" speakers still keep > getting dumber and less useful every week. I (probably more than) > occasionally go through the "rip all of these worthless "smart" speakers > out of my house" phase. I guess my only caveat was that "hey, my Android > phone(s) always has a Google speaker (microphone) on .. so, I'm already > being spied on." But yeah .. my trust issues (I really have no trust) > with these behemoth tech companies is getting close to nil. The "rip > out" phase may come sooner than later. And yes .. the audio quality > (there is none) is much, much less than the convenience factor really > affords. I prefer to listen through my towers when I can. Squeezebox > platform is still my every day driver.I just use my Alexa to turn my > Squeezebox and Amplifier on and off [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
pablolie wrote: > Posting rights in the Audiophile forum forever revoked!!! :-D > > Convenience is what hooked me on the SB ecosystem forever ago (2004 when > I bought my first SB). Once I had ripped my collection (which took me 2 > years, with well over 3000 CDs and by now over 4000 albums it's no > joke), I just touched CDs for FLACing new ones. > > But I can't take it as far as these audio contraption things that spy on > you on top... :-) I extremely seldom use the remote though. I don't come to the forum as much as I used to (not enough time anymore) and just saw your reply .. I too constantly go through a guilt phase where I KNOW that my Alexa speakers are always spying on me. And my "smart" speakers still keep getting dumber and less useful every week. I (probably more than) occasionally go through the "rip all of these worthless "smart" speakers out of my house" phase. I guess my only caveat was that "hey, my Android phone(s) always has a Google speaker (microphone) on .. so, I'm already being spied on." But yeah .. my trust issues (I really have no trust) with these behemoth tech companies is getting close to nil. The "rip out" phase may come sooner than later. And yes .. the audio quality (there is none) is much, much less than the convenience factor really affords. I prefer to listen through my towers when I can. Squeezebox platform is still my every day driver. NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
NFLnut wrote: > ... BUT I also ask my crappy Alexa speaker ... Posting rights in the Audiophile forum forever revoked!!! :-D Convenience is what hooked me on the SB ecosystem forever ago (2004 when I bought my first SB). Once I had ripped my collection (which took me 2 years, with well over 3000 CDs and by now over 4000 albums it's no joke), I just touched CDs for FLACing new ones. But I can't take it as far as these audio contraption things that spy on you on top... :-) I extremely seldom use the remote though. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation) running Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 7.9.1 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dmcdayton wrote: > I hate to admit, its not just your kids. I've taken to playing on Echo > for convenience instead of my good system. Siri and Google just SUUUCK > but Alexa has magic juju beans somewhere because it just works. I'm > listening to more music in my kitchen now on an Echo Show because we can > change genres in 2nds from across the room and the sound isn't...bad. I could have said the exact same thing! I LOVE my collection and listen to it 85% of the time. BUT I also ask my crappy Alexa speaker (who seems to get dumber and more hard of hearing every day ..) to play a playlist or two when I don't want to grab my Controller or go to my laptop or phone to queue up music .. like when I am cooking or working on a task around the house. For that, I tell "Alexa-idiot" ( as I commonly refer to her) to play something so that I can listen to some music while I work. But yeah .. it doesn't come close to the sound quality of any of my Squeezebox attached speakers. It just gets the job done for the time being. NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Paul Webster wrote: > I expect Philippe still has some SqueezeAMP systems available for sale. Yes, I've build a new batch of 50 which is on its way :-) LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I expect Philippe still has some SqueezeAMP systems available for sale. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dmcdayton wrote: > I heard a rumor that Logitech product management has now recognized > that: > -In 2020, 80% of the music business will be streaming content > -That their SlimDevices Squeezebox line may have been 10 years ahead of > its time. > -That there still isn't a product on the market that streams as easy or > as well as the original SB3 Classic and Squeezebox Touch, even 10 years > later. > -That even now, years past purchase, they have a large, loyal, dedicated > fan base with a hunger for a new product. > -That the vast majority of stereo owners would love to move to streaming > but don't need a new receiver or amp, just something to deliver the > music. > > I also heard they are contemplating a simple update to Squeezebox Touch > 2020: > -Same physical design with upgraded DAC, WIFI and Screen > -Build a focus on streaming first and easy setup, with full integration > of Apple Music, Google Play, Spotify, Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon > Music/HD/Ultra HD and others through mysqueezebox.com > -Full support for all streaming formats, bitrates and resolutions > -Bitperfect output via digital outs up to 24/192 for those with external > DACs. > -Robust integration with Alexa, Siri and Google assistants > -Updated Optional LMS with Roon like features for hard core audio folks > managing large local libraries > > That's what I heard anyway. And by heard, I mean, that's what I day > dreamed about this afternoon while looking at CES 2020 highlights. > > Come on Logitech, get back in the game. You could still be the standard > bearer of the streaming age. > > Has anyone else heard this? I have a similar dream. But really, I just want them - or someone (it is open source!!) to start making Squeezeboxes again. Integration with other services would be great, like chromecast, and support for more streaming services. It already makes a great Roon endpoint, btw. The DAC really doesn't need to be upgraded, neither the digital output. Both the analog and digital section is good enough. hertzberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67485 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
> I don't see a command to "Play XYZ artist" or a specific song. Both commands exist - see the online docs: https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech/commandref/PlaySomethingBy.html#27 https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech/commandref/PlaySong.html#28 philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> I did not, thanks for mentioning it. Scanning to the available commands,
> I don't see a command to "Play XYZ artist" or a specific song.
"play something by {Artist}" and variants.
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Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
philchillbill wrote: > You -do- know there's a decent Alexa skill called MediaServer that will > control that 'good system' of yours by voice ? And also allow you to > stream LMS-sourced songs to that Echo Show if you like... I did not, thanks for mentioning it. Scanning to the available commands, I don't see a command to "Play XYZ artist" or a specific song. The rest looks good. I suspect though that next gen Echo's will get optical out with full HD Ultra support and it will be game over for many streamers. dmcdayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dmcdayton wrote: > I hate to admit, its not just your kids. I've taken to playing on Echo > for convenience instead of my good system. Siri and Google just SUUUCK > but Alexa has magic juju beans somewhere because it just works. I'm > listening to more music in my kitchen now on an Echo Show because we can > change genres in 2nds from across the room and the sound isn't...bad. You -do- know there's a decent Alexa skill called MediaServer that will control that 'good system' of yours by voice ? And also allow you to stream LMS-sourced songs to that Echo Show if you like... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
rcampbel3 wrote: > Give me a stereo radio with Alexa built in or another voice control > option, and I'd upgrade every Radio in my house. My kids can't be > bothered to use radio controls -- they'll walk downstairs to the tiniest > speaker in our house and ask Alexa to play a song. > I hate to admit, its not just your kids. I've taken to playing on Echo for convenience instead of my good system. Siri and Google just SUUUCK but Alexa has magic juju beans somewhere because it just works. I'm listening to more music in my kitchen now on an Echo Show because we can change genres in 2nds from across the room and the sound isn't...bad. dmcdayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
I mean, Squeezebox is a unicorn. Most electronics have a product life cycle of 3-5 years, at best. These things are still providing value and doing things no other devices can do (at least not as easily/elegantly) 10 years down the road. For the life of me I can't understand why Logitech would buy, then bury, SlimDevices. I would love to know what the founders think about it. What a waste. I would bet good money that Amazon will simply yawn, roll over and put a digital out on their Echo Show devices next year with bit perfect streaming and half these services will be rolling up their tent in 3 years. Its sad, there is a real need for a Swiss Army knife of streamers like SB to keep the streaming playing field even. RIP Squeezebox. RIP. dmcdayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
Pretty cool dream, but I'm not holding my breath. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Oh man, you had me going! Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
dmcdayton wrote: > I heard a rumor that Logitech product management has now recognized > that: > -In 2020, 80% of the music business will be streaming content > -That their SlimDevices Squeezebox line may have been 10 years ahead of > its time. > -That there still isn't a product on the market that streams as easy or > as well as the original SB3 Classic and Squeezebox Touch, even 10 years > later. > -That even now, years past purchase, they have a large, loyal, dedicated > fan base with a hunger for a new product. > -That the vast majority of stereo owners would love to move to streaming > but don't need a new receiver or amp, just something to deliver the > music. > [...] > Come on Logitech, get back in the game. You could still be the standard > bearer of the streaming age. > Agree with your sentiment. I haven't found anything that is better all around than the SB Radios. Logitech was way ahead of Sonos, and then just stepped aside and gave Sonos *YEARS* to attempt to catch up. Give me a stereo radio with Alexa built in or another voice control option, and I'd upgrade every Radio in my house. My kids can't be bothered to use radio controls -- they'll walk downstairs to the tiniest speaker in our house and ask Alexa to play a song. I'd add that it should have an integrated LMS server installed with great defaults because that kind of target audience today would probably be for households that own ONE squeezebox, as opposed to me with my... 10 or so... Here's my wishlist for the new year: - Wish Michael and the contributors here all the best. I don't expect any profound reversal from Logitech, but I would be happy to be surprised. - Hope the SB community continues to grow in new places -- I've recently gotten into home automation using hass.io -- squeezeboxes work fantastic in this, and I bet a lot of home automation nuts who are putting raspberry pis in every room for bluetooth presence detection would be interested in being able to send audio messages to any room via squeezebox hassio integration -- there's probably a growing demand for a raspberry pi distro build customized for home automation... (maybe when I finish all those other projects... I'll think about this) - Wish there was a squeezepad app for my iPhone - I have all the others, but I just really like squeezepad on my ipad as a control surface - Wish we had a working SiriusXM app - Wish there were more SB Radio-like hardware options for PiCorePlayer that had knobs and buttons so I wouldn't have to design and build my own rcampbel3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Good dream. First thought was, "Is it April First already?" ;) *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] New Logitech Squeezebox 2020 Edition
I heard a rumor that Logitech product management has now recognized that: -In 2020, 80% of the music business will be streaming content -That their SlimDevices Squeezebox line may have been 10 years ahead of its time. -That there still isn't a product on the market that streams as easy or as well as the original SB3 Classic and Squeezebox Touch, even 10 years later. -That even now, years past purchase, they have a large, loyal, dedicated fan base with a hunger for a new product. -That the vast majority of stereo owners would love to move to streaming but don't need a new receiver or amp, just something to deliver the music. I also heard they are contemplating a simple update to Squeezebox Touch 2020: -Same physical design with upgraded DAC, WIFI and Screen -Build a focus on streaming first and easy setup, with full integration of Apple Music, Google Play, Spotify, Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon Music/HD/Ultra HD and others through mysqueezebox.com -Full support for all streaming formats, bitrates and resolutions -Bitperfect output via digital outs up to 24/192 for those with external DACs. -Robust integration with Alexa, Siri and Google assistants -Updated Optional LMS with Roon like features for hard core audio folks managing large local libraries That's what I heard anyway. And by heard, I mean, that's what I day dreamed about this afternoon while looking at CES 2020 highlights. Come on Logitech, get back in the game. You could still be the standard bearer of the streaming age. dmcdayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111449 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
I know it shouldn't matter, but I'm glad that mine says Designed and Manufactured in Mountain View...because I live in Mountain View (0.8 miles as the crow flies from SlimHQ, 1.3 miles by car And I really like Mountain View. Even if, as earlier alluded to, it was only final assembly. Although I did kinda wonder if it was meant to be similar to the whole designed by apple in California...like anyone really cares where Mountain View is. -- Meatwad650 Meatwad650's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Meatwad650;228649 Wrote: I know it shouldn't matter, but I'm glad that mine says Designed and Manufactured in Mountain View...because I live in Mountain View (0.8 miles as the crow flies from SlimHQ, 1.3 miles by car And I really like Mountain View. Even if, as earlier alluded to, it was only final assembly. Although I did kinda wonder if it was meant to be similar to the whole designed by apple in California...like anyone really cares where Mountain View is. I love Mountain View Ca. Back in my youth, I flew P3 Orions (VP-31) out of Moffett Field. Lovely little town. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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haunyack;228652 Wrote: Back in my youth, I flew P3 Orions (VP-31) out of Moffett Field. This is way OT but it reminds me about when I moved down here. My dad came to visit and I mentioned how I wanted to see Hanger 1 some day. He decided then was as good a time as any, so he busted out the the military ID (Captain, USN Ret.) and we went to visit. Scared the crap out of the E4 manning the entrance but we got inside and that was the coolest enclosed space I have ever been in. Will probably be that forever unless I get inside the VAB at the Cape. :) So even if Logitech now owns the company I still feel that Slim Devices is a hometown company. However...so is VeriSign just up the street. :D -- Meatwad650 Meatwad650's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I recieved two black units SB3 and they are made in China... Package is cool btw also the Logitech Logo looks nice.. Christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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egd;213833 Wrote: I understand that the Squeezebox is (and will remain) Logitech branded and the Transporter will remain Slimdevices branded The transporter doesn't even have a SlimDevices logo, just transporter. Apparently it didn't look right with both when they were designing it. The transporter does have a Logitech logo on the produc information sticker on the bttom though. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I think the Logitech Logo looks better! (Burn Him!?) I am glad mine is Logitech branded and not Slim Devices. ;) -- stormy stormy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11910 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I bet the metals used came from Australia! Hey but that's alright isn't it - we are supposed to be buddies. If I only bought Aussie products I would be typing this naked - (maybe although I wouldn't actually be able to type because the computer is a Dell made in Malaysia. I wouldn't be listening to Dylan or Nirvana either. I would probably be huddled around a fire sheltered by a structure made from the bark of one of a native trees. But I could probably get quite a beat going banging on the hide of a roo stretched over a hollow log. I love globalisation! stevo PS my loud speakers (VAF I93's) were made in Adelaide (South Australia) although the speakers are from Norway! I don't think they would go that well in my Aussie made shelter. -- stevo stevo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6250 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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seanadams;208464 Wrote: The PCB assemblies are built in China, and have been since SB2. Until recently we did Squeezebox mechanical assembly, test, and packaging in California. That is now done in China also, but the boards are still done by the same manufacturer. Eh... nevermind. -- nelamvr6 nelamvr6's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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funkstar;213891 Wrote: The transporter doesn't even have a SlimDevices logo, just transporter. Apparently it didn't look right with both when they were designing it. The transporter does have a Logitech logo on the produc information sticker on the bttom though. Just for clarification, the Transporter used to be branded Slim Devices on the front. The new ones being produced now (still in California) are branded transporter. -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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snarlydwarf;213845 Wrote: Don't forget that the high density corrugated shipping module now has the Logitech logo on it. I've 'read that the new ink used in this process traps electrons' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=213845postcount=158) instead of letting them jar loose during shipping, which means it will take a longer burn-in time. If you have the original box, I am sure that Slim-labelled SB is worth $2k easy. I do have the original box and the price just went to 2,000 -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tomjtx wrote: I do have the original box and the price just went to 2,000 You are bidding on a Slim Devices branded Squeezebox box. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11/19/ceci_nest_pas_une_xbox/ :) - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mvalera;214024 Wrote: Just for clarification, the Transporter used to be branded Slim Devices on the front. The new ones being produced now (still in California) are branded transporter. Did it? my mistake then. I can't afford one so wouldn't know personally, i just seem to remember some saying it never even has an SD logo. my bad :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Hi! Does anyone know if there is any change in the hardware of the squeezebox 3 since they got logitech-branded? I hope the logitech-branded one sound as good as the original slim devices did... :) -- olle.norell olle.norell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm sure that even if there have been no changes, someone, somewhere will claim they hear a difference and it will create a special, high priced market for original Slimdevices units on ebay. Aren't there any more important things to worry about in the world? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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olle.norell;213692 Wrote: Does anyone know if there is any change in the hardware of the squeezebox 3 since they got logitech-branded? I'm pretty sure SeanAdams has said there are no differnces in the SB3 other than a change of face plate. They are also still made in the same factory as before. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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okay! Thanks! -- olle.norell olle.norell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
I admit I did not read the whole thread but I stumbled across the pictures of the new Squeezebox with the Logitech branding, arghh... I was just about to order two more devices, but for the time being I will retreat from filling in the online forms and ask you folks at slimdevices if you can deliver devices with the generic branding/logo?? I am sorry, but the Logitech logo looks cheap and awful and I will refuse to put it side by side with my 2000$ DENON amp. Best, /audiogene -- audiogene audiogene's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
I understand that the Squeezebox is (and will remain) Logitech branded and the Transporter will remain Slimdevices branded, reason being their target markets are different and Logitech is not known as an audio co. whereas Slimdevices has an established, credible brand in the audio market. -- egd The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
The slim branded SB does sound better due to the shape of the logo which is better at rejecting rfi, emi and bsi. BTW, I have a slim branded SB3 which I'll sell for only 1,000. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
tomjtx;213843 Wrote: The slim branded SB does sound better due to the shape of the logo which is better at rejecting rfi, emi and bsi. BTW, I have a slim branded SB3 which I'll sell for only 1,000. Don't forget that the high density corrugated shipping module now has the Logitech logo on it. I've 'read that the new ink used in this process traps electrons' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=213845postcount=158) instead of letting them jar loose during shipping, which means it will take a longer burn-in time. If you have the original box, I am sure that Slim-labelled SB is worth $2k easy. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
seanadams wrote: Peter;209334 Wrote: Nice idea. But one of my SB3's failed about a year ago, the one that was on the AmpSwitch plugin. The plugin writer contacted SD with the serial number to see what the SB3 died from, to find out if the plugin (+circuitry) could be to blame. He hasn't heard back from them, which is a pity, because if it was caused by AmpSwitch it would be really nice to know to hopefully prevent it from happening again to someone else... We don't do a detailed post-mortem on every unit that comes in for repair - that can often take an engineer the better part of a day. Did we agree to do that before you sent it in or something? The plugin author contacted SD and sent the MAC address (00:04:20:06:4d:a9). The SD people replied that they also needed the name of the dealer who shipped it back (macintoys.nl) and that's the last I heard of it. Anyway, if you are talking about this circuit: http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch There is no way that would fry a SB3 if it were wired up correctly. Unless you sent line voltage AC into it, the failure was unrelated. That's the circuit. I'm not a great solderer, but I don't think I was stupid enough to let the AC voltage near the SB. Anyway the setup has been working for a year with a different SB3 without any problems so it's probably OK. It would've been nice to have heard that the problem was unrelated to AmpSwitch for me, the author and any other AmpSwitch users. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
JimC;207874 Wrote: Jim marketing boy Carlton I don't frequent the forum, but check in from time to time. This post and the one with the picture of the assembly team in the US made my day. Also Sean's sincere wish to find and fix the connector problem warms my heart. All companies should be like this but not many are. I'm glad that you guys have a sense of humour and can rise above normal corporate BS answers/discussions even after the acquisition. Here's hoping that Logitech soon comes out with a new SB remote with a display so I can justify throwing more money at you - the Jive stuff looks promising. -- morberg morberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8757 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
seanadams;209113 Wrote: We take this sort of report very seriously, and we looked into it and pulled a bunch of units from inventory and could not find a problem. Furry would need to send his in for replacement in order for us to see what's going on with it. Sean, thanks for your efforts. Maybe I just got the 1-in-a-100 bad one. Or maybe its just normal variation on that particular plug and that particular socket combining unfavourably; as I said earlier, its fine with my the psu from my first SB3. What I haven't tried yet, though, is plugging the 2nd psu into my 1st SB3... As I also said earlier, its OK while I leave it alone and don't touch it so I suppose I can put up with it. Also, I'd want to obtain another psu before sending the 'wobbly' one in, otherwise I'd have a dead SB3. I did send an email to the supplier of the SB3 explaining the situation and asking if they'd send me another psu, but I got no reply. Dave. -- Furry Furry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11328 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
I hope I'm echoing the sentiments of the Slim community at large here when I say PLEASE don't send the power supply back to your point of purchase/supplier. Make sure SeanCo get it directly at Slim so that they can find out exactly why the problem happened and hopefully prevent it from happening again to someone else. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Furry;209226 Wrote: Sean, thanks for your efforts. Maybe I just got the 1-in-a-100 bad one. Or maybe its just normal variation on that particular plug and that particular socket combining unfavourably; as I said earlier, its fine with my the psu from my first SB3. What I haven't tried yet, though, is plugging the 2nd psu into my 1st SB3... As I also said earlier, its OK while I leave it alone and don't touch it so I suppose I can put up with it. Also, I'd want to obtain another psu before sending the 'wobbly' one in, otherwise I'd have a dead SB3. I did send an email to the supplier of the SB3 explaining the situation and asking if they'd send me another psu, but I got no reply. Dave. It would probably be better if you sent in both the SB3 and the PSU -- in other words, the whole product. Please send me a private message with your shipping details and I will contact our EMEA team and have them send you a replacement product. Send your old one back to us here in the U.S. for Sean to take a look at. I'm of the mind that you may have gotten a unit where the PSU plug's inside diameter was at the high end of tolerance and the pin's outside diamater was at the low end of tolerance -- in other words, one of the worst corner cases. -= Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
MelonMonkey wrote: I hope I'm echoing the sentiments of the Slim community at large here when I say PLEASE don't send the power supply back to your point of purchase/supplier. Make sure SeanCo get it directly at Slim so that they can find out exactly why the problem happened and hopefully prevent it from happening again to someone else. Nice idea. But one of my SB3's failed about a year ago, the one that was on the AmpSwitch plugin. The plugin writer contacted SD with the serial number to see what the SB3 died from, to find out if the plugin (+circuitry) could be to blame. He hasn't heard back from them, which is a pity, because if it was caused by AmpSwitch it would be really nice to know to hopefully prevent it from happening again to someone else... Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Peter;209334 Wrote: Nice idea. But one of my SB3's failed about a year ago, the one that was on the AmpSwitch plugin. The plugin writer contacted SD with the serial number to see what the SB3 died from, to find out if the plugin (+circuitry) could be to blame. He hasn't heard back from them, which is a pity, because if it was caused by AmpSwitch it would be really nice to know to hopefully prevent it from happening again to someone else... We don't do a detailed post-mortem on every unit that comes in for repair - that can often take an engineer the better part of a day. Did we agree to do that before you sent it in or something? Anyway, if you are talking about this circuit: http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch There is no way that would fry a SB3 if it were wired up correctly. Unless you sent line voltage AC into it, the failure was unrelated. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
hear hear! I'm the chairperson of the employee reps where I work and this thread reminds me of discussions we have when there is nothing of any importance to discuss ... -- killie99 Primare D30.2 CD player, MF 24/96 DAC, MF A1000 Amp, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Peter;208923 Wrote: nicketynick wrote: sixofone;208750 Wrote: Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first (and probably last) time. You see I was under the impression that the words Designed and manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA meant just that. Whereas it now appears that the principal component of both my S3s was actually manufactured in China. Am I alone in finding that a little .well, disingenuous? Theres no need for me to argue the economic and ethical rights and wrongs of such a production model in such well-educated company. Nor do I need to point out that, for some of us, the considerations of how and at what (human) cost a product is produced are factors in the purchasing decision. The fact that Slim Devices chose to slap the Designed and manufactured tag on in the first place shows just how well-attuned they were to such sensitivities. Enjoy counting the cash, Slim/ Logitech people. Try not to think too hard about that new, faraway workforce. Or the old manufacturing staff a little nearer to home who had to be let go. I applaud your moral and ethical objections, particularly regarding 'that new, faraway workforce'. I'd wager you've seen Manufactured Landscapes - an absolutely mind-boggling documentary - its hard to believe how things are happening over there. You'd rather they didn't make any money at all if they can't do so ethically? My grandmother worked when she was twelve to support her family. I'm glad there wasn't some American know it all forbidding her to do so. The hypocrisy of ethics. You're allowed to starve, but you can't sell your kidney... Regards, Peter You beat me to it on this one. If a company chooses to send its manufacturing overseas and the quality suffers, that is a poor business decision. If the quality stays acceptable, and the costs are reduced, then it is a good business decision. The company will either see increased margins or they will be able to reduce prices to better consumers and improve their competitive position. Lower consumer prices benefit all consumers, and the macroeconomics generally indicate that that outweighs the losses of the displaced workers (of course, that's little consolation to someone who cannot find employment). The overseas employees obviously benefit. Higher profits benefit the stockholders, whose primary reason for investing their capital is to get a return. The suggestion that a person in country A is more deserving of a job than another in country B is not only ignorant of economics, but is also ethically bankrupt. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Hey guys, I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to death... Please let's move the posts back on topic. Thanks, Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
jeffmeh;209043 Wrote: The company will either see increased margins or they will be able to reduce prices to better consumers and improve their competitive position. Lower consumer prices benefit all consumers, and the macroeconomics generally indicate that that outweighs the losses of the displaced workers (of course, that's little consolation to someone who cannot find employment). The overseas employees obviously benefit. Higher profits benefit the stockholders, whose primary reason for investing their capital is to get a return. The suggestion that a person in country A is more deserving of a job than another in country B is not only ignorant of economics, but is also ethically bankrupt. Get real. The motive for offshoring production to low cost countries i.e. China - is to increase profit. The myth of the virtuous circle you describe is exploded by even the most superficial research. For example, take this article (in which our Logitech friends rate a mention): http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/3054.html A 1000% plus mark-up per Chinese-made computer mouse? 15-hour working days to earn less, per month, than an equivalent US worker would earn in two hours? A 20% incidence of industrial disease/ injury, with no sickness benefits and no viable rights of redress? Chinese factory workers arent being uplifted economically, or in any other sense. Theyre being exploited more rapaciously than has ever been tolerated at any time in any Western society. And Im afraid the idea that its a choice between factory work producing goods for the West and no job at all is simply a false dilemma. Again, just five minutes of Googling will afford some insight into the complexities of the Chinese labour market and the immense social and human cost of the current enforced migration of workers from farm to factory. Try this for starters: http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGASA170092007 -- sixofone sixofone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
mvalera;209103 Wrote: Hey guys, I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to death... Please let's move the posts back on topic. Thanks, Mike Nice try, Mike, just not quick enough! We're definitely off into ideological territory now! Nobody is 'wrong', but in our imperfect world, who is to say what the best way to fix things is. tread lightly, leave the stick at home, I think, to mangle a phrase! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone wrote: Chinese factory workers aren’t being uplifted economically, or in any other sense. They’re being exploited more rapaciously than has ever been tolerated at any time in any Western society. Look into your history books. My forefathers were owned by their landlord. Literally. These Chinese are way better off than there parents under Mao during the 'Great Leap Forward'. I've been in China several times and it's a lot better than in some other places. The situation has improved greatly since their economy opened up. I guess this proves even anti-globalists need music players ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
mvalera;209103 Wrote: Hey guys, I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to death... Please let's move the posts back on topic. Thanks, Mike Good idea. I've been meaning to ask this for a while now but didn't want to kill an interesting discussion :) What was the outcome of Furry's wobbly power supply connector? -- Ian_F Ian_F's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Ian_F;209110 Wrote: Good idea. I've been meaning to ask this for a while now but didn't want to kill an interesting discussion :) What was the outcome of Furry's wobbly power supply connector? Yes, I've been meaning and wondering the same things myself! Dave. -- Furry Furry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11328 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Ian_F;209110 Wrote: What was the outcome of Furry's wobbly power supply connector? We take this sort of report very seriously, and we looked into it and pulled a bunch of units from inventory and could not find a problem. Furry would need to send his in for replacement in order for us to see what's going on with it. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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nicketynick;209106 Wrote: Nice try, Mike, just not quick enough! We're definitely off into ideological territory now! Nobody is 'wrong', but in our imperfect world, who is to say what the best way to fix things is. tread lightly, leave the stick at home, I think, to mangle a phrase! ** Mike pulls out his big stick ** One more off topic post and this thread gets locked. Last warning. Thanks! Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Hi Back on track! I recieved my Logitech SB3 the other day - and besides staring at the front panel for a bit, went straight to the power supply and socket issue. Mine does not wobble - but I haven't actually powered it up to see if it makes a good connection. However there is a very real difference between the old power plug and the new. The new one has a ridge on the end of the metal sleeve to enable it to lock into the socket (I presume) the old did not have this (well not on my other 2 Slimdevices SB3's anyway!). I have found this makes inserting and removing the plug more of a brute force job than before and wonder whether furry's initial insert may have been slightly off centre and pushed out-of-kilter?? Nic -- DrNic DrNic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=92 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone;208750 Wrote: Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first (and probably last) time. There really is no need to be irked (IMHO). What Slim Devices have done is absolutely the normal, accepted, legally correct way of labelling their product - namely, to identify the country in which the _last_ major manufacturing operation took place. They have to apply this label to comply with international import/export regulations, it's not necessarily anything to do with national pride. The individual components (chips, display, metalwork, PCB etc) are made in factories all over the world, and that doesn't change depending on whether they're all finally screwed together in the USA, China or anywhere else. Stating ANY single country of origin for a complex electronic device is therefore a bit of a misnomer - they are all the result of a great deal of international co-operation. The fact that the parts are soldered to the PCB in China really is a very small part of the big picture. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law; however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being assembled in the USA. This is a distinction that many manufacturers choose to make plain with the tag: Assembled in... The fact that Slim chose not to do likewise suggests an intent to obscure the true origins of the product. -- sixofone sixofone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone;208847 Wrote: The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law; however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being assembled in the USA. This is a distinction that many manufacturers choose to make plain with the tag: Assembled in... The fact that Slim chose not to do likewise suggests an intent to obscure the true origins of the product. I have worked in the electronics industry in the UK for over 20 years and this is how you label products, you don't get a choice on how to do it as you have to comply with international regulations regarding import/export and it has absolutely nothing to do with SlimDevices (or any manufacturer) trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I think you're playing with semantics regarding whether something is manufactured or assembled and if you ask 100 people what they think that means you'll get a stack of different answers. If the slimdevices label said assembled we'd still have people on here saying that it shouldn't say assembled it should say 9 screws, 2 cables and some snap plastics fitted together at 29 Somewhere Street, USville -- killie99 Primare D30.2 CD player, MF 24/96 DAC, MF A1000 Amp, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone;208750 Wrote: Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first (and probably last) time. You see I was under the impression that the words Designed and manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA meant just that. Whereas it now appears that the principal component of both my S3s was actually manufactured in China. Am I alone in finding that a little .well, disingenuous? Theres no need for me to argue the economic and ethical rights and wrongs of such a production model in such well-educated company. Nor do I need to point out that, for some of us, the considerations of how and at what (human) cost a product is produced are factors in the purchasing decision. The fact that Slim Devices chose to slap the Designed and manufactured tag on in the first place shows just how well-attuned they were to such sensitivities. Enjoy counting the cash, Slim/ Logitech people. Try not to think too hard about that new, faraway workforce. Or the old manufacturing staff a little nearer to home who had to be let go. I applaud your moral and ethical objections, particularly regarding 'that new, faraway workforce'. I'd wager you've seen Manufactured Landscapes - an absolutely mind-boggling documentary - its hard to believe how things are happening over there. But I'm afraid in today's world, if you are going to attempt to express your view by only buying 'ethically', you aren't going to be able to buy anything at all! I hope you've got good soil where you are, because you're going to have to grow your own food.. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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There's more to it than that, though - every modern electronic device is the result of a truly international effort, incorporating components and sub-assemblies made all over the world. Made, assembled... it's all the same thing. The Chinese manufacturing operation amounted to no more than sticking components made all over the world onto boards. Looking at the big picture, that particular part of the assembly process is no more or less significant than the wafer fabrication (think Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia...), mining the raw materials or the final assembly and test, wherever that may have been. To qualify as 'made' in the USA, would you expect that the aluminium ore had been mined there? Or that the plastics were derived from oil on US territory? How about the tin in the solder? Is there really something so special about where the electronic parts were soldered to a PCB, as opposed to all the other manufacturing processes involved in making a complete electronic device? Why? -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone;208847 Wrote: The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law; however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being assembled in the USA. This is a distinction that many manufacturers choose to make plain with the tag: Assembled in... The fact that Slim chose not to do likewise suggests an intent to obscure the true origins of the product. The manufacturing that went on in Mountain View consisted of taking the smallest servicable components and connecting them. Exactly akin to stuffing IC's 20 years ago. The change is really that electronics are no longer socketed at the IC level: the board level is the lowest part, since defective boards are not generally fixable. Dell and Gateway computers are made in the USA... but do you think their boards are? How is plugging in a hard drive (made in Thailand) to a motherboard (made in Taiwan) any different? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
killie99;208852 Wrote: I have worked in the electronics industry in the UK for over 20 years and this is how you label products, you don't get a choice on how to do it as you have to comply with international regulations regarding import/export and it has absolutely nothing to do with SlimDevices (or any manufacturer) trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I think you're playing with semantics regarding whether something is manufactured or assembled and if you ask 100 people what they think that means you'll get a stack of different answers. Here's the US Government's take on it (since we're talking about a US company having made claims of employing US labor): http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/madeusa.shtm From what I see, sixofone's interpretation is correct (that document doesn't explicitly cover manufactured in, but this investigation letter does: http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/madeusa/letters/edcor.shtm). If the rest of you are right about part sourcing, very few companies producing sophisticated electronic gear in the US should be allowed to use labels claiming US manufacture, and most couldn't even claim US assembly without a qualifying phrase like of imported components. Personally, I was glad to see the label tout some sort of US manufacturing, but I don't think I really expected that to mean more than some soldering and assembly in Mountain View. Given the rules, does anyone else find it odd that the FTC hasn't had any enforcement actions in over five years? http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/usajump.shtm -Peter -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim BlankSaver BottleRocket FuzzyTime SaverSwitcher SleepFade StatusFirst VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Wow, you get an A+ on your homework! Somebody bring on the lawyers! (maybe we can get them all in one room and get rid of 'em!) But it does seem that the regulations as they are have been deemed obsolete, or at the very least, irrelevant. I do know from my own experience that Made in the USA is still important where Federal money is being spent (I forget the term they use in the RFPs). -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone;208750 Wrote: Enjoy counting the cash, Slim/ Logitech people. Try not to think too hard about that new, faraway workforce. Or the old manufacturing staff a little nearer to home who had to be #8220;let go#8221;. I just wanted to post a picture of our US production team. As you can see they are very much still here. Also if there were to be any talk about letting them go, the unstable looking guy in the center holding the box cutter might have something to say about that. Mike +---+ |Filename: IMG_1462_part_deux.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2975| +---+ -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
killie99;208852 Wrote: I think you're playing with semantics regarding whether something is manufactured or assembled and if you ask 100 people what they think that means you'll get a stack of different answers. Maybe so. I claim no expertise in anything quite as useful as electronics manufacturing or the law of product marking, sadly. As an English graduate I suppose semantics is more my turf and there's a clear distinction in my mind between making a thing and assembling it (OED: assemble - fit together the parts of). I'd like to think I'm not excessively naïve about electronics manufacturing in the global economy: God knows I own enough Made in China Apple products. Nor, as a UK national, am I banging any patriotic drum. It's just that when researching the Squeezebox I'm sure I came across articles emphasising the in-house (USA-based) manufacturing operation. I suppose I equated that with a certain ethical standard and to my way of thinking that was part of the attraction in the product. I like the idea of buying stuff from smart guys trying to do things the right way on a small scale. That romantic idealism goes a long way in my mind to justifying a price premium (US equivalent circa $375 per SB, and yes I know some of that's UK VAT). -- sixofone sixofone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
mvalera;208913 Wrote: I just wanted to post a picture of our US production team. As you can see they are very much still here. Also if there were to be any talk about letting them go, the unstable looking guy in the center holding the box cutter might have something to say about that. So, what do they 'produce' now that the Squeezebox is 100% manufactured, assembled, tested, and packaged in a Chinese sweatshop? :-) -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
sixofone wrote: patriotic drum. It's just that when researching the Squeezebox I'm sure I came across articles emphasising the in-house (USA-based) manufacturing operation. I suppose I equated that with a certai Are you sure these articles weren't about previous SliMP3/Squeezebox models? I own a SliMP3 and I'm pretty sure it was made in Sean's garage and soldered together by his family. ;) I don't know how manufacturing evolved when production went through the SB 1, 2 and 3, but I do know that the SD guys have never made a secret of the fact that the SB3 was made in China and assembled in the US. I personally don't care one way or the other. But then, I'm European and my car is made out of honest-to-god German components only ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
nicketynick wrote: sixofone;208750 Wrote: I’m sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first (and probably last) time. You see I was under the impression that the words “Designed and manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA” meant just that. Whereas it now appears that the principal component of both my S3s was actually manufactured in China. Am I alone in finding that a little…….well, disingenuous? There’s no need for me to argue the economic and ethical rights and wrongs of such a production model in such well-educated company. Nor do I need to point out that, for some of us, the considerations of how and at what (human) cost a product is produced are factors in the purchasing decision. The fact that Slim Devices chose to slap the “Designed and manufactured…” tag on in the first place shows just how well-attuned they were to such sensitivities. Enjoy counting the cash, Slim/ Logitech people. Try not to think too hard about that new, faraway workforce. Or the old manufacturing staff a little nearer to home who had to be “let go”. I applaud your moral and ethical objections, particularly regarding 'that new, faraway workforce'. I'd wager you've seen Manufactured Landscapes - an absolutely mind-boggling documentary - its hard to believe how things are happening over there. You'd rather they didn't make any money at all if they can't do so ethically? My grandmother worked when she was twelve to support her family. I'm glad there wasn't some American know it all forbidding her to do so. The hypocrisy of ethics. You're allowed to starve, but you can't sell your kidney... Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Come on guys, there is a limit to what you can explain on a little sticker. Maybe we should have said something to the effect of Designed in Mountain View, California, except for a few programmers overseas, and manufactured there too, except that by manufactured we mean assembled and tested using parts that came from many different countries. Oh and we don't mean Made in USA in the sense addressed by the FTC with respect to marketing claims made of products sold in the USA, we mean it was made there in the sense that it was the last major assembly operation, which is what foreign customs offices care about (we export roughly half of our volume). See, it's the culmination of an extremely complex global supply chain, so impossible to say completely where this thing was made, but suffice to say we take pride in the fact that we do a whole lot more of our production in-house, in the USA, than most CE companies. Also, we have not let anyone go. As a matter of fact, our building in Mountain View has been designated as the first Logitech production facility in the USA, and a great deal of resources have been committed to scale it up for ongoing production of Transporter. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
JJZolx;208918 Wrote: So, what do they 'produce' now that the Squeezebox is 100% manufactured, assembled, tested, and packaged in a Chinese sweatshop? :-) We still have Squeezebox parts left to put together, and the Transporter will continue to be built here in the US. There are no plans to move Transporter production to China. Hey, before this China sweatshop stuff gets out of hand... Logitech's facility in China is brand new, state of the art, and actually nicer than the building I'm sitting in in Cali. A sweatshop it is definitely not. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
seanadams wrote: Come on guys, there is a limit to what you can explain on a little sticker. No, rather we should declare this thread off topic, boring, etc. and move on. its plonk time for the thread. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Wasn't the Psion Wavefinder just a plug-in DAB radio for a PC? It always struck me as a pretty pointless little gadget, one which would never be able to overcome the fundamental problems that DAB coverage was poor (especially with a tiny little indoor aerial), and that even with a good signal its sound quality sucks. I doubt that DSG had much to do with its failure. Ron: I hear what you're saying, but it's a point of view that I typically only hear from manufacturers, not one that I often hear from companies which do the product design. My own experience with Chinese manufacturing has been very positive. Yes, they do try to substitute components, but I've always been given the opportunity to check specifications properly first and to approve or disallow them. Typically any changes are made for ease of availability, rather than a cynical attempt to shave off a few pence here and there, but as design engineer I can always insist that specific components are used in critical positions where they matter. It's certainly not something that the end user of the product should have to worry about. It's not just labour costs that are much reduced, but component prices too - a Chinese factory making thousands upon thousands of products has much greater buying power than a small company making batches of a few hundred at a time, even on components that are unique to a low volume design. Whilst I'd agree that cost savings aren't guaranteed, once a design is stable and there's reasonable volume, they can be very substantial indeed. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
You guys do realise that the price is driven by market primarily? Price will be whatever the market is willing ot pay. If it happens to be below the production costs, company goes belly up. If, on the other side, you are willing to pay well above their cost, then they can go play golf. Why would you expect them to cut on their golfing and give you a break if you are already willingly paying more and have no complains? -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Slimkid, price elasticity. There is a balance to be achieved between those willing and those not willing to pay. Striking that balance is the goal in the mass market. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
slimkid;208624 Wrote: You guys do realise that the price is driven by market primarily? And volume expectations. If you only expect to sell a few, price is no concern - there will always be somebody willing to part with their money. Now, if you want mass-market volumes, well, then price is important. My observation is that pretty much everything out there has a $100-200 base range for mass-market appeal, with a few premium options for higher-margin, lower volume sales. Ever notice its almost impossible to buy last year's camera for $50? They all disappear, with the new crop always being in that $100-200 range. If Logitech can get an SB product out there at $199 (with a profit), then look out! I seriously doubt it would be recognizable as the SB we know, but hopefully there will be higher-end options available. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
