[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
BTW the final options I ended up with: Code: robocopy k:\ m:\ /mir /xd "System Volume Information" /log:"C:\Documents and Settings\Mark\Desktop\Music Backup.log" /np /tee So that's: - copying from k:\, my internal 250 GB music drive, to m:\, my external backup drive - /mir: mirroring the drives, which entails copying over all new files, any file that has changed and deleting files in the destination that have been deleted in the source - /xd: ignoring the "System Volume Information" directory that Windows XP puts in each drive yet is locked out - /log: logging to a file on my desktop - /np: don't show progress bars in the log (kind of useless after the job is finished and you look at the file, no? :-) ) - /tee: display the progress on the screen. Useful to see what it's currently doing. I suppose that might make the progress bars useful again, but now that the bulk of my music collection is backed up there will only be incremental changes from now on. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
FYI, I've just added a link to this thread from the BeginnersGuideToServers (backup section) So if there are any more bright ideas of tackling this problem, lets have them! Ceejay. -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Awesome guys, thanks for the help. I got robocopy to skip System Volume Information using the /XD switch. Haven't quite got /LOG working yet. What's strange is that it says it's bad, yet writes a log anyway! :-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Mark Lanctot wrote: It's because it's erroring out at the end. It tries, errors, waits 30 seconds, tries again, errors, waits 30 seconds etc. I have to kill the process. I'm pretty sure if it completed successfully I'd get a report. You need to tell it to not retry open files a million times (really, that's the default retry number: 100). Or you can tell it skip particular files/folders that you know you don't want backed up or that will always be open/locked. I have a robocopy script that backs up my Firefox application data directory and I have it skip the cache folder as well as the ".lock" file so all runs smoothly. Add these options: /R:n : number of Retries on failed copies - default is 1 million. /W:n : Wait time between retries - default is 30 seconds. So you could do: /R:0 That will cause robocopy to report on files it can't copy but then just skip them. To always skip particular files or directories (like that System Volume Information folder you mentioned) that you know ahead of time you aren't interested in: /XF file [file]... : eXclude Files matching given names/paths/wildcards. /XD dirs [dirs]... : eXclude Directories matching given names/paths. XF and XD can be used in combination e.g. ROBOCOPY c:\source d:\dest /XF *.doc *.xls /XD c:\unwanted /S It's a powerful utility, but yes, there are an awful lot of options. http://www.ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html SBB Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > Are you sure you are not missing something? I always get a full report > on exactly what it has done, any errors and time etc. Is the > cmd window closing before you have had cance to read it? If so, use a > batch file and put a pause at the end. > > http://www.ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html It's because it's erroring out at the end. It tries, errors, waits 30 seconds, tries again, errors, waits 30 seconds etc. I have to kill the process. I'm pretty sure if it completed successfully I'd get a report. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Use robocopy's ability to create log files and check the logs afterwards. A typical robocopy operation that operates on thousands of files isn't necessarily something you can read onscreen. Code: Logging options /L : List only - don't copy, timestamp or delete any files. /NP : No Progress - don't display % copied. /LOG:file : output status to LOG file (overwrite existing log). /LOG+:file : output status to LOG file (append to existing log). /TS : include source file Time Stamps in the output. /FP : include Full Pathname of files in the output. /NS : No Size - don't log file sizes. /NC : No Class - don't log file classes. /NFL : No File List - don't log file names. /NDL : No Directory List - don't log directory names. /TEE : output to console window, as well as the log file. /NJH : No Job Header. /NJS : No Job Summary. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Mark Lanctot Wrote: > ... but it would be nice to have a report saying what it did and > reporting speed like XXCOPY does. Mark, are you not seeing the data that robocopy gives at the end of its process, or are you used to getting more data than that? -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Mark Lanctot Wrote: > Yup, robocopy /MIR does exactly what I want except that it tries to copy > the System Volume Information over and errors out. I'm sure there is a switch to stop that. Mark Lanctot Wrote: > it would be nice to have a report saying what it did and reporting speed > like XXCOPY does. Are you sure you are not missing something? I always get a full report on exactly what it has done, any errors and time etc. Is the cmd window closing before you have had cance to read it? If so, use a batch file and put a pause at the end. http://www.ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Since I just got a USB drive enclosure and a 250 GB backup drive, I'm playing around with this today. I wanted to use XXCOPY, and so far I have it doing a nice backup with the \BU switch. This will ignore any files that haven't changed, add any that were added in the source drive and modify any that were modified in the source drive. The only thing I *can't* get it to do is to delete files that were deleted in the source directory. I tried the /RD and /RX switches but both wanted to remove the whole destination directory! :-O Thank goodness it asked first. Did I miss something with XXCOPY? The other delete switches all deal with deleting files in the source directory, which is not what you want to do with a backup... So I'll play with robocopy now and see if it does what I want. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
No problem, play around and make it your own. Just make sure you always put it in the order of 'robocopy [source] [destination]' so you don't overwrite the orginals. Also, you can take the pauses out to make run all the way through without asking for a key press if you want. It's just that i like to see the summory to check for any errors etc. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > Create a new file called, say, backup.BAT. It's the .BAT thats the > standard extention thats been used since the old DOS days. Then just > double click it and off you go. You can edit as and when you like. I > should ask you to input an option then. Thanks! Works perfectly. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle Wrote: > > Shouldn't it ask for input from me? > Also, is there a way to keep this script somewhere and run it > automatically, or do I need to open a command window and copy it there > each time? I use WindowsXP. Oh i see, yes it's ment to be used in a batch file, not cut and pasted to the command prompt. Create a new file called, say, backup.BAT. It's the .BAT thats the standard extention thats been used since the old DOS days. Then just double click it and off you go. You can edit as and when you like. I should ask you to input an option then. Take a look at the URL i gave you above for more info on making batch files. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > Assuming you have robocopy installed and your paths are right (go to the > command prompt and type 'robocopy' to test it), you will then have to > edit the drive/folders to match yours. Works great for me but you will > have different folder names. Also, what OS are you using? > > For more help with batch file commands, try here > http://www.computerhope.com/batch.htm I adjusted the paths to match mine but it appeared to actually perform the functions rather than offer me a choice of mirror or backup. Here's what I get: echo. echo Dom's Backup Script Dom's Backup Script echo --- --- echo. set /p choice= Backup, Mirror or Quit (B/M/Q)? : Backup, Mirror or Quit (B/M/Q)? : if '%choice%'=='b' goto startbackup if '%choice%'=='m' goto startmirror if '%choice%'=='q' goto end goto startbatch :startbackup robocopy /S /IT "C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1" "C:\documents a nd settings\jim\desktop\folder3" --- ROBOCOPY :: Robust File Copy for Windows :: Version XP010 --- Started : Fri Mar 24 09:22:19 2006 Source : C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1\ Dest : C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder3\ Files : *.* Options : *.* /S /COPY:DAT /IT /R:100 /W:30 -- 0C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1\ 3C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1\Bi ll\ 3C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1\Bo b\ -- TotalCopied Skipped MismatchFAILED Extras Dirs : 3 0 3 0 0 0 Files : 6 0 6 0 0 0 Bytes : 705.0 k 0 705.0 k 0 0 0 Times : 0:00:00 0:00:00 0:00:00 0:00:00 Ended : Fri Mar 24 09:22:19 2006 goto finish :startmirror robocopy /MIR "C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1" "C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder3" --- ROBOCOPY :: Robust File Copy for Windows :: Version XP010 --- Started : Fri Mar 24 09:22:20 2006 Source : C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder1\ Dest : C:\documents and settings\jim\desktop\folder3\ Files : *.* Options : *.* /S /E /COPY:DAT /PURGE /MIR /R:100 /W:30 Shouldn't it ask for input from me? -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle Wrote: > dom, how does your script work? I copied it to test and thought it > would ask me whether I wanted to backup, mirror or quit, but it didn't. Assuming you have robocopy installed and your paths are right (go to the command prompt and type 'robocopy' to test it), you will then have to edit the drive/folders to match yours. Works great for me but you will have different folder names. Also, what OS are you using? For more help with batch file commands, try here http://www.computerhope.com/batch.htm -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > If anyone is interested, this is the batch script i made for robocopy; > dom, how does your script work? I copied it to test and thought it would ask me whether I wanted to backup, mirror or quit, but it didn't. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I use Cobian Backup to backup to a 1TB LaCie Bigger disk. Works great and I do a incremental backup when ever I rip new music E ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Using XXCopy ... (WIN32) set source=\\htpc\d\media\music\ set dest=g:\backups\music\ xxcopy %source% %dest% /bb /s /oNxxcopylog.txt Only copies new files to the backup. Any changed files get ignored. If I know a file has changed, I delete it from the destination beforehand. -- stevieweevie stevieweevie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4338 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
rsnapshot, previously mentioned by me and a few others in this thread, is a nice packaged implementation of just what Jack described in the previous post. It uses rsync together with hardlinking to be able to store multiple snapshots of whatever it is you want to backup with only a "delta" more HD space used for each snapshot. It is highly configurable and works like a charm. For my personal data, I take and save a snapshot of my HD each day (saving the last 5), each week (saving the last 2), each month (saving the last 3). I've never, ever lost a file with this system, and I've deleted several files that I didn't want to (grabbed it from the snapshot backup without incident), as well as survived a HD crash (rsnapshot restored my data easily after HD was replaced). And these are the sizes of the data drive and the BACKUP drive. /dev/sda4 208G 101G 108G 49% /data /dev/sdb1 230G 122G 97G 56% /BACKUP 10 full HD backups for only a small amount more space than the current. Pretty sweet. I also find this a MUCH better solution than RAID, which I find a troubling amount of people using it as 100% of their backup system. RAID's a really cool technology, but that was never what it was intended for... cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
JJZolx wrote: hickinbottoms Wrote: I use boxbackup to continuously sync my music (and anything I want to back up), to a disc I've installed remotely at a friends house over ADSL. ... It's saved my bacon in the past. Although I know a lot of people are doing automated syncs using any number of software solutions, I have a real problem with considering this a safe backup solution. It's not so much the sync part - it's the _automated_ part. For example: You accidentally delete a few folders of important data without noticing, the sync then deletes them on the "backup" copy. You're SOL. all solutions are vulnerable to user error. At some point, you just gotta give up on trying to make the computer be smarter than the user. Still, ... Now, if you can keep multiple generations of copies, automating the process isn't so unsafe, so long as you think you'll catch a deletion or corruption before all of the copies are overwritten. That's usually not an option, though, when we're talking about multi-hundred-gigabyte media libraries. Once again, this problem was solved years ago on *nix. It's called hard-linking, and it allows the unchanged copies to exist without making multiples. http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/tools/backups -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
hickinbottoms Wrote: > I use boxbackup to continuously sync my music (and anything I want to > back up), to a disc I've installed remotely at a friends house over > ADSL. > > ... > > It's saved my bacon in the past. Although I know a lot of people are doing automated syncs using any number of software solutions, I have a real problem with considering this a safe backup solution. It's not so much the sync part - it's the _automated_ part. For example: You accidentally delete a few folders of important data without noticing, the sync then deletes them on the "backup" copy. You're SOL. Syncing is a nice, easy way to make backup copies, but I'd reserve it for manual operations only. It's best to have a very high level of confidence in the integrity of the original before you push it to your only sync'd copy. Now, if you can keep multiple generations of copies, automating the process isn't so unsafe, so long as you think you'll catch a deletion or corruption before all of the copies are overwritten. That's usually not an option, though, when we're talking about multi-hundred-gigabyte media libraries. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I use boxbackup to continuously sync my music (and anything I want to back up), to a disc I've installed remotely at a friends house over ADSL. http://boxbackup.hostworks.ca This is a secure solution in that the connection is encrypted with SSL and authenticated with certificates, is totally automatic (it continually syncs, keeps old versions of files, as well as deleted files), and is stored encyrpted at the server end and so is most useful when the server is in an untrusted network (ie not your own). Thoroughly recommended - the only drawback is that there isn't a Windows server at the moment (although there are Windows clients that work well). It's saved my bacon in the past. -- hickinbottoms Stuart -"Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after - with Lazy Searching!"- hickinbottoms's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=255 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
If anyone is interested, this is the batch script i made for robocopy; Code: @ECHO OFF :startbatch cls echo. echo Dom's Backup Script echo --- echo. set /p choice= Backup, Mirror or Quit (B/M/Q)? : if '%choice%'=='b' goto startbackup if '%choice%'=='m' goto startmirror if '%choice%'=='q' goto end goto startbatch :startbackup robocopy /S /IT "F:\Audio" "D:\BACKUP\Audio" pause robocopy /S /IT "F:\Drivers & Manuals" "D:\BACKUP\Drivers & Manuals" pause robocopy /S /IT "F:\Downloads" "D:\BACKUP\Downloads" pause robocopy /S /IT "F:\Photos" "D:\BACKUP\Photos" pause goto finish :startmirror robocopy /MIR "F:\Audio" "D:\BACKUP\Audio" pause robocopy /MIR "F:\Drivers & Manuals" "D:\BACKUP\Drivers & Manuals" pause robocopy /MIR "F:\Downloads" "D:\BACKUP\Downloads" pause robocopy /MIR "F:\Photos" "D:\BACKUP\Photos" pause goto finish :end echo. echo Aborted :finish echo. pause Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. If anyone can suggest any ways i could improve this, please do. Also, if anyone does not want to use robocopy and write a batch, i also came acrross this usful backup utility - http://www.simplysafebackup.com/ -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Well thanks for al the info guys. I now have robocopy and it's just what i needed. I had not writen a complex batch file for some years, so i was a bit rusty, but now i have a nice batch with a menu that can select mirror or backup modes. If anyone wants to see it, i will post the code. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
JJZolx Wrote: > Yes, you can. At some point it becomes either prohibitively expensive > or overly time consuming to manage, just to gain some very small extra > degree of security. Sorry I am coming from a industry background not a music background on this topic. In industry the price of the data sometimes is priceless. Yes with music you can usually get a replacement at some cost. (I do have CDs I have lost that are virtually unreplacable). However photos of your childs first step, what is the price of that? And the example of nuke inside DC, well yea that is silly to protect against. However fire damage of ones home is not so silly to protect against. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
JJZolx wrote: > Robin Bowes Wrote: > >>>1) Original CDs in storage >>>2) Copy of ripped music on 2 different hard drives >>>3) Copy burned to 2 sets of DVD-Rs, one off-site >>>4) Copy on a RAID 5 NAS[/color] >> >>That's nice and thorough. >> >>I'm not quite there yet. I've currently got: >> >>1. Original CDs in storage. Well, for *most* of my collection ;) >>2. Ripped music on RAID5 drive (linux software RAID). Server on UPS. >>3. Copy of music on 500GB drive in Xbox offsite. >> >>I really must get round to either burning to DVD-R or 15GB DLTs before >>the inevitable happens. > > What's the "inevitable"? A freak tornado hits both your house and your > offsite backup location and blows away your original CDs, your RAID 5 > array and the XBox backup? You must live under a very dark cloud if > you think that's inevitable. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Whilst I have a (nearly) full back up of my lossless collection (18GB of Mozart wouldn't fit on the 500GB drive) I need to back up my lossy collection, plus DR backups for the rest of my systems. As for the inevitable, it's exceedingly common for >1 drives to fail in a RAID5 system because the stress of rebuilding the array following a failure often causes one or more of the the other drives to fail too. I don't worry about whether my discs will fail or not - they will, it's just a matter of time. R. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I have a 250GB external drive ... using XXCopy I either write a full backup, or an incremental either based on new files, or changed files. Prior to making any backup I run MP3Test against the source data. My MP3's are mostly encoded with CRC's, so this helps with regard to integrity. -- stevieweevie stevieweevie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4338 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
m1abrams Wrote: > When it comes to backups you can NEVER have too much. Yes, you can. At some point it becomes either prohibitively expensive or overly time consuming to manage, just to gain some very small extra degree of security. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
If the cost of the backups is more than the data is worth, you have too much.On 3/17/06, m1abrams < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:When it comes to backups you can NEVER have too much. --m1abrams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
m1abrams wrote: > JJZolx Wrote: >>What's the "inevitable"? A freak tornado hits both your house and your >>offsite backup location and blows away your original CDs, your RAID 5 >>array and the XBox backup? You must live under a very dark cloud if >>you think that's inevitable. > > When it comes to backups you can NEVER have too much. It really is both an emotional and an engineering question. Economics play a big part of the decision process. This is true of any backup situation. If you have the need, you have to have two physical locations preferably a thousand or more miles apart. I have a bit over 700 CDs. at $10 a piece, that is $7,000 worth of music. So if it all was destroyed, I have to look at $7000 plus time to re-rip. There is no way I'm going to spend $25,000 on a backup strategy for $7000 worth of music. I live "inside the Beltway" in the Washington DC area. If the Russians drop a nuke on the Pentagon, my house will be vaporized. If that happens, all my music is gone. But I don't worry about that, because if I'm home at the time, I've got other problems. Or maybe no more problems ever. If I really cared, I bet that there is some SqueezeBox owner in Europe that would be willing to hold a 400GB disk for me while I did the same for them. Access could be instant over the 'net, or via DHL in a couple of days. You can get about anything you want to pay for. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
JJZolx Wrote: > What's the "inevitable"? A freak tornado hits both your house and your > offsite backup location and blows away your original CDs, your RAID 5 > array and the XBox backup? You must live under a very dark cloud if > you think that's inevitable. When it comes to backups you can NEVER have too much. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Robin Bowes Wrote: > > 1) Original CDs in storage > > 2) Copy of ripped music on 2 different hard drives > > 3) Copy burned to 2 sets of DVD-Rs, one off-site > > 4) Copy on a RAID 5 NAS[/color] > > That's nice and thorough. > > I'm not quite there yet. I've currently got: > > 1. Original CDs in storage. Well, for *most* of my collection ;) > 2. Ripped music on RAID5 drive (linux software RAID). Server on UPS. > 3. Copy of music on 500GB drive in Xbox offsite. > > I really must get round to either burning to DVD-R or 15GB DLTs before > the inevitable happens. What's the "inevitable"? A freak tornado hits both your house and your offsite backup location and blows away your original CDs, your RAID 5 array and the XBox backup? You must live under a very dark cloud if you think that's inevitable. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kevin O. Lepard wrote: > Multiple layers of protection: > > 1) Original CDs in storage > 2) Copy of ripped music on 2 different hard drives > 3) Copy burned to 2 sets of DVD-Rs, one off-site > 4) Copy on a RAID 5 NAS That's nice and thorough. I'm not quite there yet. I've currently got: 1. Original CDs in storage. Well, for *most* of my collection ;) 2. Ripped music on RAID5 drive (linux software RAID). Server on UPS. 3. Copy of music on 500GB drive in Xbox offsite. I really must get round to either burning to DVD-R or 15GB DLTs before the inevitable happens. R. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Multiple layers of protection: 1) Original CDs in storage 2) Copy of ripped music on 2 different hard drives 3) Copy burned to 2 sets of DVD-Rs, one off-site 4) Copy on a RAID 5 NAS -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
JJZolx Wrote: > Post the code you're using. And _definitely_ use test folders until > you're 110% sure you have both the syntax and the logic correct. > Otherwise, if you're using robocopy's mirroring commands you risk > wiping out your music collection if you were to accidentally mirror in > the wrong direction. I downloaded SyncToy and played around with it last night. It seems to work fine with a GUI, so it's much easier for me. It also moves deleted files to the trashcan, so you can retreive them if you lose something you didn't mean to. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
No, briefcase does not update upon startup, or even automatically, unless you set it up to do so. You are correct that if I lose a source file and then update the briefcase, then the update will delete the associated file in the briefcase. However, I initiate the update myself, and the update process also tells me everything it is going to do and asks me whether I wish to continue. If I see that it intends to delete a file, I can decide whether that is consistent with my expectations and either continue or bail out. In my view, that gives me enough of a margin of error. I also find the synchronization very helpful, particularly when I am renaming and reorganizing files, as those changes are reflected in the briefcase upon update. But you seem to be looking for a simple automated copy function. Just pick one of the suggestions and try it out. By the way, many of the tools people are citing would work the same way as briefcase if you set them up to "mirror" or "synchronize." Some people have said they do this with automated scripts, which I think is pretty risky for just the reason you cited. My music sits on an Infrant NAS in RAID 0, so I already have a "mirroring" solution which will protect me from a disk failure. I set up the briefcase on another disk on the network, and I am very careful when I update it. This provides some additional protection from bugs, viruses, and my own stupidity, unless that stupidity includes updating the briefcase without being careful, as you have pointed out. Every backup scheme has to deal with this in one way or another. Even if you keep many generations of full backups, you can still get into a situation where a problem was introduced 5 days ago, you did not catch it until today, but you did a significant amount of work yesterday. If you restore the backup from before the problem you no longer have the problem, but you lose all the work you did yesterday. If you stay where you are and do not restore a backup, you do not have to repeat yesterday's work, but you do have to figure out how to fix the problem some other way. Either approach can be the better one, depending upon the specifics of the circumstances. I am in no way saying that briefcase is a great tool for backups, merely that if you are on Windows you already have it, and that what it provides it provides pretty well. YMMV dangerous_dom Wrote: > NO! Correct me if i am wrong, but if you lost some of your master files > and the briefcase gets updated it will delete the copies in the > briefcase! And i think briefcase updates on start up. So, you lose your > files somehow and then your PC reboots. Boom, back up gone :( > > Briefcase is a synchronization solution for working documents, not a > backup solution. > > Right, this is starting to do my head in now. I just can't find the > solution that is _just_ right for me. But i think with a bit of playing > around, Robocopy will do what i want. > > What i want is this; > Automated copying of new/modified files to my second HDD. If i delete > my master files, i dont want my backup files deleted. However, i do > want my _modified_ files copying over. Can robocopy do this? -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Could some please email me the lastet robocopy.exe to domrevans-AT-yahoo-DOT-co-DOT-uk please! :) -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > What i want is this; > Automated copying of new/modified files to my second HDD. If i delete > my master files, i dont want my backup files deleted. However, i do > want my _modified_ files copying over. Can robocopy do this? Yes - should be something like: Robocopy /E /IT so long as you don't use the /MIR or /PURGE options Robocopy won't delete files from the backup. Robocopy is your friend!! Probably the best freeby from M$ - don't know why they have'nt put it in the base OS yet. -- Browny http://www.last.fm/user/BrownySV/ Browny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
jeffmeh Wrote: > You can also use the Windows "Briefcase" functionality to keep a > synchronized set of folders. NO! Correct me if i am wrong, but if you lost some of your master files and the briefcase gets updated it will delete the copies in the briefcase! And i think briefcase updates on start up. So, you lose your files somehow and then your PC reboots. Boom, back up gone :( Briefcase is a synchronization solution for working documents, not a backup solution. Right, this is starting to do my head in now. I just can't find the solution that is _just_ right for me. But i think with a bit of playing around, Robocopy will do what i want. What i want is this; Automated copying of new/modified files to my second HDD. If i delete my master files, i dont want my backup files deleted. However, i do want my _modified_ files copying over. Can robocopy do this? -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I use rsync over the 'net from my server at work to my server at home. http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php If you don't want to install cygwin (which is a great tool not only for Linux users bound to a Windows PC :-)), but still would like to use rsync, there's a stripped down rsync package with only the few files needed to run it on Windows (plus documentation): http://itefix.no/cwrsync/ Much easier to configure than cygwin - at a fraction of the download size. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I have my music library on an Infrant NAS running RAID 5 with 878 GB of storage on my home network. I bought the NAS primarily for the large, contiguous file space that it offers and I also use it for storing video and computer backups. The RAID part is secondary. I did have a bad disk when I first set it up last summer, but that meant I had to run the array in a degraded state (cross your fingers, lose a 2nd drive ane you're toast) for about 10 days (the only alternative being to shut it down) while the disk was RMA'd. My library is under 180 MB, so I back up the library by mirroring it using robocopy to a spare drive in one of my Windows XP PCs on the network. I could just as easily do it the other way around - storing the library on a local disk in the music server and doing backups to the NAS. That would certainly be faster for SlimServer scanning, but I'm anticipating eventually needing the large amount of storage that the NAS gives. Backups at that point may have to be to another similarly configured NAS, or else I'll build a dedicated storage server. The downside to living in an age where you can have enormous amounts of cheap disk storage is that if you actually start filling it up with _valuable_ data, then you have no good, inexpensive way to back it up. Disk-to-disk backups end up being among the least expensive way, but it means that you need to at least double your storage space to accomplish it. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle Wrote: > I cannot get the syntax right for robocopy. I have tried to copy a test > folder named "folder1" on my desktop to another folder named "folder2", > but I keep getting syntax errors in WindowsXP. Can someone help before > I try my actual music files? Post the code you're using. And _definitely_ use test folders until you're 110% sure you have both the syntax and the logic correct. Otherwise, if you're using robocopy's mirroring commands you risk wiping out your music collection if you were to accidentally mirror in the wrong direction. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I cannot get the syntax right for robocopy. I have tried to copy a test folder named "folder1" on my desktop to another folder named "folder2", but I keep getting syntax errors in WindowsXP. Can someone help before I try my actual music files? -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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boerner Wrote: > I have been using an application called SyncBack on Windows which proves > very flexible. Check it out at: > > http://www.2brightsparks.com I have been using SyncBack for 6 months with multiple external drives. It is simple to set up, and previews what it is going to do (and allows you to make changes). Plus it's free - what's not to like?? David -- rupped rupped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I use Acronis True Image for backups. And, my music drive is RAID1. -- dancarne dancarne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I use rsync over the 'net from my server at work to my server at home. Mine is a *nix system (http://samba.org/rsync/), but it works on windows, too: http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php TJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dangerous_dom Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music? Sorry, running XP. Don't need CD/DVD buring either. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss !SIG:4419a1c9143315500812912! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I use mp3tunes.com It's a nominal fee ($30/year) for unlimited music storage. It supports mp3, windows and apple drm formats. I think that's it for formats. I stick with mp3's since my ear isn't good enough to notice much difference. It'll even backup iTunes purcahsed music. It has a sync program witch can up/down load files to sync up. It also has an iTunes sync ability. You have the added benefit of accessing your library and playlists through a web interface. It's relieved my wories of hardware failure. Your also alowed 2 simultaneous log ins, in case you and your spouse both listen to the web interface at work. -- Mr_Smiley Mr_Smiley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3213 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
sfraser Wrote: > I have been doing something similar, have you ran into RDP issues with > certain microsoft security patchs? I ended up un-installing a few > patchs because they kept on causing RDp encryption errors. > > Scott No issues on my side. My first "server" runs XP Pro and my secodn one runs Server2k3. Sorry, but no help on that one. twylie -- twylie twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I've not seen anybody use ntbackup (the backup utility built-in to Windows XP and 2k). I have my music in a single RAID 1 array on a dedicated music server, and I schedule an ntbackup to run an incremental backup twice a week and a full backup once a week onto a separate disk on the same server. All backups are verified as well to ensure the success of the backup. Works well for me. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Put me down as another happy SyncToy user. My main slimserver library is backed up when I feel like it, using SyncToy, to an external disc on another computer. I also use SyncToy to copy just the AAC branch of the library (I have FLAC, MP3 and AAC) to my laptop to be played with iTunes while travelling. The external disc is only powered and plugged in when I'm doing a backup (eliminates the lightning risk) and I've deliberately gone for a manually triggered backup to avoid a case where my main system went bananas, damaged its own data and then, before I had a chance to stop it, wrecked the backup as well. Even if I leave it a month, thats at worst a few CDs worth of data. If I ever do a big retagging effort, I know its time to backup. So... just at the moment I'm feeling snug and smug. My problem now is that the "huge" disc I thought I'd bought a year ago - with plenty of room for growth - has nearly been filled up by the extraordinary amount of music I've bought in that time! So now I've got to consider buying another drive for the server, and another external drive for backup, and all of a sudden the backup scenario looks a lot harder. H... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
My $.02... I have my SlimServer on a dedicated WinXP workstaion with an external 640GB FireWire800 RAID-5 array attached to the PC in my back room. In the living room I also have a M$ Media Center edition with a dedicated 500GB LaCie FireWire800 HD for a duplicate music library. In having a very very very large library (>67,000) that has been painstakenly tagged to accommodate both SlimServer & Windows Media Player to my liking, there are times when retagging and/or tweaking is necessary. As I only like to do this once and forget about it, I have incorporated a free M$ PowerToy applet named SyncToy. It doesn't matter which library I amend, add-to or delete from. If I make a change on one, it can update the other as well. It also ensures that files don't get totally deleted. I manually run SyncToy, but you can have this as an automated process. I only run it when I have changed anything in either of my libraries. It's free, it works on attached drives on seperate PCs, it has a GUI and hasn't messed-up anything in my libraries. -- D --- Steve Baumgarten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The other nice thing about robocopy is that it does > write verification; > the "robo" prefix stands for "robust", according to > the docs. > > SBB > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com > > This message contains confidential information and > is intended only > for the individual named. If you are not the named > addressee you > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this > e-mail. Please > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have > received this > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your > system. > > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be > secure or error-free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, > lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The > sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or > omissions in the contents > of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If > verification is required please request a hard-copy > version. This > message is provided for informational purposes and > should not be > construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell > any securities or > related financial instruments. > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
The other nice thing about robocopy is that it does write verification; the "robo" prefix stands for "robust", according to the docs. SBB Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle wrote: This sounds like what I need. If my music files are in a folder called "FLAC Files" on both drives, and I only want to mirror that folder, how would I write the command? Would it be: /mir h:FLAC Files\source i:FLAC Files\dest That's correct, assuming you want to mirror that folder *and all sub-folders underneath it*. (You'll probably have to put the names in quotes, though, since they have a space character in them.) SBB Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
You can also use the Windows "Briefcase" functionality to keep a synchronized set of folders. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I have been using an application called SyncBack on Windows which proves very flexible. Check it out at: http://www.2brightsparks.com -- boerner boerner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Could some kind person please email me just the robocopy.exe to domrevans--at--yahoo.co.uk Thanks! -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom wrote: I notice a few GUI's are around for it, but the ones i have seen only do single folders. Any worth bothering with? not if you can read simple docs and save text files with a .bat extension. One other thing, i take it that robocopy only copies new/changed files, right? correct. it only does the copy if the file has changed. this may be an overrideable default. and you may be able to define what constitutes 'changed'. don't recall precisely. it's all in the docs. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Steve Baumgarten Wrote: > You'd do: > > robocopy /mir h:\source i:\dest > > This sounds like what I need. If my music files are in a folder called "FLAC Files" on both drives, and I only want to mirror that folder, how would I write the command? Would it be: /mir h:FLAC Files\source i:FLAC Files\dest -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Looks like robocopy + batch file might be just the ticket then. I notice a few GUI's are around for it, but the ones i have seen only do single folders. Any worth bothering with? One other thing, i take it that robocopy only copies new/changed files, right? I won't copy the whoel lot, regardless of if they have been changed will it? -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
> Is robocopy part of Windows XP or does it require a separate install? > It seems that robocopy and xxcopy are similar. Let's say I've got an > updated music folder on drive H and an outdated music folder (some new > files not there) on drive I. What command would I use to update the > drive I folder to the drive H one? It's available as part of the Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit Tools available here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en The help is quite good. I can't remember what commands you'd use offhand, but I recall it's syntax being quite easy to pick up. Just have a practice on some test files first. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle wrote: Is robocopy part of Windows XP or does it require a separate install? It seems that robocopy and xxcopy are similar. Let's say I've got an updated music folder on drive H and an outdated music folder (some new files not there) on drive I. What command would I use to update the drive I folder to the drive H one? You'd do: robocopy /mir h:\source i:\dest The "/mir" switch tells it to delete files in the destination folder that have been deleted from the source folder. There are other ways to run robocopy such that it only copies/updates, but doesn't delete. Depends on what you want. I always run it as above so I keep a perfect mirror copy. It's freely available as part of the Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit Tools: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&DisplayLang=en Don't let the name fool you -- it works fine with XP Home as well. SBB Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Kyle wrote: Is robocopy part of Windows XP or does it require a separate install? robocopy is part of a windows resource kit. google it and pull the installer and docs from the microsoft site. It seems that robocopy and xxcopy are similar. Let's say I've got an updated music folder on drive H and an outdated music folder (some new files not there) on drive I. What command would I use to update the drive I folder to the drive H one? ms is the source for docs. there are quite a few CL switches for various options. for most cases it's something like this: robocopy /MIR H:\dir I:\dir --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Is robocopy part of Windows XP or does it require a separate install? It seems that robocopy and xxcopy are similar. Let's say I've got an updated music folder on drive H and an outdated music folder (some new files not there) on drive I. What command would I use to update the drive I folder to the drive H one? -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom Wrote: > > Also, say i deleted a file(s) or folder(s) from the source, will it > remove the one(s) in the backup. If it does, i will give it a go. Yes - this is the /MIR switch - it will ensure the destination always has the same contents as the source. -- Browny http://www.last.fm/user/BrownySV/ Browny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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twylie Wrote: > About 3 years ago, I sucked it up and built a dedicated server with > hardware RAID. I have a rather unfortunate tale to tell which may make you rethink whether total reliance on RAID is a good idea. In my day job, I support a database for a large national company involved in the transport business (I better not identify them). That database was stored on a hardware RAID array. Back in 2002, we suffered a hardware or firmware fault (we never found out which) in the RAID controller, which decided to scribble over the file system allocation tables on all five disks. Moral of the story: valuable data should be backed up, even if it's on a nominally fault-tolerant RAID array. (I suppose in the case of CD rips, you could rationalise that a fault like this is so unlikely that you're prepared to re-rip everything if the unthinkable happens). -- cliveb cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
dangerous_dom wrote: Can robocopy do multiple root folders at once, or can it only do one folder and it sub folders? i've only used it for one root and it's subs per command line invocation. a simple batch file will let you do multi. Also, say i deleted a file(s) or folder(s) from the source, will it remove the one(s) in the backup. If it does, i will give it a go. there are command line switches that control this behavior. i usually make my automated passes w/o deletes, and then occasionally do a manual run with deletes (i keep two batch files). this protects against accidental deletions of the sources unintentionally carrying over to the destination. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Can robocopy do multiple root folders at once, or can it only do one folder and it sub folders? Also, say i deleted a file(s) or folder(s) from the source, will it remove the one(s) in the backup. If it does, i will give it a go. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I have a seperate server which gets robocopy'd to by a simple script every night. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I have my music files on 2 drives in my Linux fileserver. To backup, I connect a 400GB external USB drive to my Windows computer and use a tool called xxcopy (www.xxcopy.com) xxcopy is a Windows command-line program that is very flexible, but basically I only use the /clone switch, which will mirror the source drive(s) to the destination drive. The reason I use a (slower) backup over the network is the Linux box is tucked away and hard to get at, plus it doesn't have USB 2.0. I also back up to DVD-R as I add new stuff. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
fuzzyT Wrote: > dangerous_dom wrote: > > So what software people here use and would recommend for me? > > What OS are you running? > > For Linux, look into rsync. > > For Windows look into robocopy. > > Either can be scripted and scripts scheduled. > > --rt rsync is the bomb with 2 x HDD! I don't schedule anything automatically, I just kick off an rysnc script manually every few weeks as I'm sure if I ran this automagically I would end up deleting some files before the deletions were automatigcally rsynced over. As an aside, I also use rsync on my windows laptop (under cygwin) to backup to my linux desktop. -- kefa Fedora Core 4, Slimserver 6.2.1, Netgear DG834GT Squeezebox 3, Primare SPA20, Monitor Audio GR20 Squeezebox 2, Denon UD-M30, Monitor Audio PMC703 kefa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=421 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I Set up a file server in the basement with 1.6 TB of disk space, of which 900GB is on a RAID5 system. Music and other important docs goes on the RAID file system. Also in the process of setting up a 100 mbps ethernet network with my neighbor (squeezebox owner as well) he wants to use my slimserver, instead of duplicating my setup. When our houses are networked, I think I will setup a NAS at his house for some offsite storage. It cost a bit more than I liked, but it has taken me way to much time to burn my entire CD catalog, just to lose it "WHEN" a hard drive fails. Cheers, -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Norton Ghost to a second HD. Does scheduled incremental backups so saves on disk space. You can also use a USB drive. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I also have a 2HD system that I backup daily from one to the other. I use rsnapshot (http://rsnapshot.org), which is a great backup utility built on rsync for *nix operating systems. Given you didn't mention your OS, I'm assuming you are on Windows, so this won't be available to you. :( Add my vote for rsnapshot - I even use it to backup Windows machines to my Linux server (with cwRsync on the Windows side). Not as effective as with Linux only systems, but still great to have a history of your files available. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I, too got tired of backing up to external drives and wasn't happy about having to keep burning plastic. It wasn't the music so much as a video archiving project that drove me over the edge - 12GB per hour of video in raw format. About 3 years ago, I sucked it up and built a dedicated server with hardware RAID. It has been running 6 * 250GB drives in RAID5 with hotspare for 1TB of storage. A year later, I built a second server with 1.75TB in RAID5 using 8 * 250GB drives. Both servers have been runnign 24x7 in my basement since they were built. I use RDP to control and admin each of them. Although this gave me some improvement over losing a single hard drive, all my digital financial records, pictures, and source videos were loaded on a 300GB USB drive I sent to my parents house in another state. I update that drive about once a quarter with them. -- twylie twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
All of my music and other data is backed up from a server with mirrored hard disks to an external hard drive in another part of the house. I run M$FT robocopy utility to synch the data nightly. If I was really anal retentive I would buy a 2nd external enclosure and keep a rotated backup in my fire safe or periodically send it to Aunt Glenda in the Ozarks for safe keeping. -- jmpage2 jmpage2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
All new music goes into a folder called new_additions. Periodically I burn this to CD or DVD, at which point I parse the new_additions content to appropriate folders. I also have a 2HD system that I backup daily from one to the other. I use rsnapshot (http://rsnapshot.org), which is a great backup utility built on rsync for *nix operating systems. Given you didn't mention your OS, I'm assuming you are on Windows, so this won't be available to you. :( cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
Sorry, running XP. Don't need CD/DVD buring either. -- dangerous_dom dangerous_dom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
I've got my music on a drive connected to a Linksys NSLU2. Once a week, the NSLU2 copied the entire drive to the other identical drive that is connected to it. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How do YOU backup your music?
As I scan a cd into itunes I keep a copy of it in a folder, when the folder reaches 4.4gb I burn it to dvd. -- Steven Moore Steven Moore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22161 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
