Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
rmigneron;286826 Wrote: Of course, if the music is on a headless server, then I can understand spending on the SBC. But with Macs and Leopard, you can use the VNC implementation in iChat to control the server, thus SlimServer, so you don't really need the SBC to play music You can control SC from http://SC IP address:9000 anywhere on your LAN or even over the Internet. But your use case isn't typical, the SB is designed to free you from your computer so you don't have to keep coming back to it and modifying the playlist a la Airport Express. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
rmigneron;286826 Wrote: You don't really need the SBC to control the music when you can do it from the computer. I don't have a computer in my bedroom or my livingroom... and my ass is firmly fixed to the couch where it belongs when I am listening to music. I am not about to get up and find a computer... Maybe I need to see a full demo, maybe I'm missing something here It seems you are looking at the SB* as being a Long Audio Cable. It is a lot more than that. If you have to use the web interface more than once or twice a month, you're doing something wrong (or you have OCD and at least have a mostly harmless hobby). SB*'s are supposed to free you from the tedium of find-a-cd and refile-a-cd tedium of regular CD players as well as from the uncomfortable listening environment that is the typical PC workstation setup. (Back straight, fingers at the right height, elbows bent! sounds more like exercise than listening to music.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
mvalera;259195 Wrote: I completely understand what he wants, I just don't think he REALLY wants it. The SB Controller is by far the best way to control a whole house of Squeezeboxes. Especially if you don't want them to have a display. I say this having used most of the other options. Get a Duet when it becomes available , try it for a few weeks. Trust me you won't return it. Mike Actually, Mike, I have the same request. I just need the receiver and would control everything from my Mac ! I don't really need the SBC to control the music when you can do it from the computer. Of course, if the music is on a headless server, then I can understand spending on the SBC. But with Macs and Leopard, you can use the VNC implementation in iChat to control the server, thus SlimServer, so you don't really need the SBC to play music, specially if you are like me and you let the music play for hours while doing other things ... Cheers, Richard -- rmigneron Richard Migneron It doesn't work, because the Buttons controls can't change !, Steve Jobs, MacWorld 2007 Keynote rmigneron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16560 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Robin Bowes;259137 Wrote: Or maybe sooner... Yeah, haven't you finished reading that Perl for Beginners book yet? MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 + HICAP NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
JJZolx;259096 Wrote: He doesn't want a controller. Many existing users prefer to control their Squeezeboxes with laptops, PCs, PDAs, Nokia Nseries, iPhones, iPod Touches, etc. If you're going to place the SB in a closet, the $150 SBR makes more sense than a $300 SB3. The current setup limitation, though, would keep them from buying any SBRs. I assume it will be addressed once the product has been released. I completely understand what he wants, I just don't think he REALLY wants it. The SB Controller is by far the best way to control a whole house of Squeezeboxes. Especially if you don't want them to have a display. I say this having used most of the other options. Get a Duet when it becomes available , try it for a few weeks. Trust me you won't return it. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
ModelCitizen wrote: Robin Bowes;259137 Wrote: Or maybe sooner... Yeah, haven't you finished reading that Perl for Beginners book yet? Ha! I'm on page 5... ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Thanks. For my application the SBR will reside in a remote closet connected to a wired network. It would have been slick to be able to config the SBR without the SBC. It wouldn't seem all that difficult to offer this ability. I can't see paying the extra $299.00 just for initial setup. In my case it makes more sense to go wth an SB3 even though I will not use the display. -- paltomare paltomare's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
paltomare;258713 Wrote: I assume once setup I could simply logon to SN form any computer and control it from there too? Yes,no, maybe? Yes. Can the receiver also be controlled from two different computers(not at the same time) running Slimserver? Why would you want to? With the SB3 the answer is yes, simply press and hold left to get back to network setup, skip everything but the select music source step and specify a different server/IP. However with the SBR you might have to go through setup again using the Controller. paltomare;258886 Wrote: It would have been slick to be able to config the SBR without the SBC. It wouldn't seem all that difficult to offer this ability. Thinking about this - it might be! In my situation, I have a static IP network. If I get an SBR and turn it on, how can I tell it what its IP address will be? It can't get on the network. Chicken-and-egg? DHCP makes things a little easier but as many posts on this forum show, DHCP is far from foolproof. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Mark Lanctot wrote: Thinking about this - it might be! In my situation, I have a static IP network. If I get an SBR and turn it on, how can I tell it what its IP address will be? It can't get on the network. Chicken-and-egg? DHCP makes things a little easier but as many posts on this forum show, DHCP is far from foolproof. A PC application doesn't have to communicate over IP. It can use ethernet broadcasts to discover SB devices and configure them over raw ethernet. Alternatively an SBR could have a default IP address and netmask, the config app would create a temporary route to that IP and configure it. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Mark Lanctot;258891 Wrote: Yes. Why would you want to? With the SB3 the answer is yes, simply press and hold left to get back to network setup, skip everything but the select music source step and specify a different server/IP. However with the SBR you might have to go through setup again using the Controller. Thinking about this - it might be! In my situation, I have a static IP network. If I get an SBR and turn it on, how can I tell it what its IP address will be? It can't get on the network. Chicken-and-egg? DHCP makes things a little easier but as many posts on this forum show, DHCP is far from foolproof. Sadly DHCP is as far away from foolproof as anything can be IMHO. I honestly wouldn't dream of using it with an SB - it was nothing but trouble, whereas static IP has been fine. DHCP always worked fine for my laptops. I can't help thinking this MAY be connected to the strange issue with MAC address corruption/cloning...but I have no evidence. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Phil Leigh wrote: Mark Lanctot;258891 Wrote: Yes. Why would you want to? With the SB3 the answer is yes, simply press and hold left to get back to network setup, skip everything but the select music source step and specify a different server/IP. However with the SBR you might have to go through setup again using the Controller. Thinking about this - it might be! In my situation, I have a static IP network. If I get an SBR and turn it on, how can I tell it what its IP address will be? It can't get on the network. Chicken-and-egg? DHCP makes things a little easier but as many posts on this forum show, DHCP is far from foolproof. Sadly DHCP is as far away from foolproof as anything can be IMHO. I honestly wouldn't dream of using it with an SB - it was nothing but trouble, whereas static IP has been fine. DHCP always worked fine for my laptops. Yeah, right. thousands and thousands of PC at my place of work use DHCP exclusively. Never a problem. If you have DHCP related problems it's not because of th eprotocol, but some implementation. I never had DHCP problems with my home router and several SB3's, neither with fixed or dynamic addresses. Regards, Peter I can't help thinking this MAY be connected to the strange issue with MAC address corruption/cloning...but I have no evidence. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
With all due respect, commercial DHCP implementations and the sort of routers we have at home are worlds apart... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
FWIW, I've never had DHCP issues with my SBs and other devices on my home network. On Jan 15, 2008 12:39 PM, Phil Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DHCP makes things a little easier but as many posts on this forum show, DHCP is far from foolproof. Sadly DHCP is as far away from foolproof as anything can be IMHO. I honestly wouldn't dream of using it with an SB - it was nothing but trouble, whereas static IP has been fine. DHCP always worked fine for my laptops. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Phil Leigh;258953 Wrote: Sadly DHCP is as far away from foolproof as anything can be IMHO. I honestly wouldn't dream of using it with an SB - it was nothing but trouble, whereas static IP has been fine. DHCP always worked fine for my laptops. I can't help thinking this MAY be connected to the strange issue with MAC address corruption/cloning...but I have no evidence. FWIW, I've never had a single problem with DHCP with my Squeezeboxes or Transporter. If there's ever been a problem getting an IP address it's either been a wireless authentication issue or an ARP problem on a switch. Neither is helped by having a static IP address. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
My system is wired. Clearly this is a YMMV thing - however I have noted over the years that many peoples problems have diminished when using static IP's. This isn't an either/or thing. I use a static IP for my SB and SC7 box - and my wireless print server - and DHCP for everything else. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Well, since the SBR will need the SBC for setup (at least for now) this setup is not an option for me. Could someone recommend a solution that would allow me to keep the hardware in a locked closet and allow control from 2 seperate PC's on a wired network. I would be streaming from the internet 95% of the time. I'm trying to create a background music source for my office that will allow me to set and forget. -- paltomare paltomare's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
I don't understand... get a Duet, it's $100 more than a Squeezebox and you get a 802.11 controller. Then add additional receivers for $149. Look around, but you'll be unlikely to find a better/easier/cheaper solution. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
mvalera;259084 Wrote: I don't understand He doesn't want a controller. Many existing users prefer to control their Squeezeboxes with laptops, PCs, PDAs, Nokia Nseries, iPhones, iPod Touches, etc. If you're going to place the SB in a closet, the $150 SBR makes more sense than a $300 SB3. The current setup limitation, though, would keep them from buying any SBRs. I assume it will be addressed once the product has been released. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Thanks Jim, that is what I was trying to say but you said it better than I could. I find it much easier to control my old SB1 at home with my laptop. In my office situation I want the SB locked in our server cab to prevent unauthorized use, and allow me to control it from my office. I guess the SB3 would do this, I was just hoping the cheaper SBR would as well. -- paltomare paltomare's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: mvalera;259084 Wrote: I don't understand He doesn't want a controller. Many existing users prefer to control their Squeezeboxes with laptops, PCs, PDAs, Nokia Nseries, iPhones, iPod Touches, etc. If you're going to place the SB in a closet, the $150 SBR makes more sense than a $300 SB3. The current setup limitation, though, would keep them from buying any SBRs. I assume it will be addressed once the product has been released. Or maybe sooner... R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB Receiver without controller?
Can the receiver be installed, setup and controlled on a wired network without the controller? I would like to install the receiver on my wired network and setup and control it from a networked computer. I assume once setup I could simply logon to SN form any computer and control it from there too? Yes,no, maybe? Can the receiver also be controlled from two different computers(not at the same time) running Slimserver? Thanks! -- paltomare paltomare's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Receiver without controller?
At present you need the SB Controller (SBC) to do the initial configuration of the SB Receiver (SBR). After that you can control the SBR from any computer, PDA, or other device on your network that has a web browser or simulated SB (SoftSqueeze or the forthcoming SqueezeOS). It is likely -- but not yet guaranteed or even promised -- that in the future it will be possible to configure the SBR without an SBC. Check numerous posts in this forum about this over the past 2 weeks. As noted above, the SBR can be controlled from various devices on your network. Usually you only have ONE computer running slimserver, but multiple devices can control that slimserver and the SBR. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
