Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[fsmithred]

On 10/17/2016 08:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:49:34 + (UTC)
> Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch
>>
>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta
>>



...
> About finding which of the 18 wireless drivers to install, and how to
> install them: The article mentions having a previous Debian/Devuan or
> Ubuntu install and then type "dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware".
> But what should one do if he/she has no such previous installation?
> 
> The article mentions:
> 
> ===
> That's fine, except that there are 18 possible drivers, and you might
> not know which one to install. You really wouldn't want to install all
> 18. 
> ===
> 
> Why not? What disadvantages would accrue if I simply installed all 18?
> I know doing so wouldn't be neat or crisp or geekily correct, but
> wouldn't it enable me to simply get on with it? What would be the
> disadvantage besides crudity?
> 

I don't think there's any reason you can't install all of them, or more
likely, most of them. In wheezy, there were a couple of broadcom drivers
that conflicted with each other. Other than that, I think the worst thing
would be a waste of precious hard drive space.

They aren't pre-installed in Refracta for a couple of reasons. 1. Only the
main repo is enabled, so it's all free software. The non-free driver
packages are there if you want or need them. 2. Some of them require that
you agree to some terms when you install them. I can't agree for anyone
but me. 3. Waste of precious CD space. For jessie, we were able to stick
to the "fits on a CD" rule.

Another way to figure out which driver you need is to run 'lspci' and see
what network hardware you have. Compare the words you see there to the
list of driver descriptions in the readme file inside the wireless_drivers
directory. Some of them are pretty obvious, so you can narrow it down.


> And if I simply got on with it, couldn't I later perform:
> 
> dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware
> 
> and uninstall any drivers that don't get mentioned? If so, what
> uninstall command would I use (the install seemed not to use apt-get)?
> 

'dpkg -i ' to install a package.
'dpkg -r ' to remove a package.
apt-get and aptitude (and probably apt) can be used to remove packages
that were installed with 'dpkg -i'.


OK, sorry about the visual presentation. All good points below. (I'll have
to get golinux to translate some of it for me.) I did make a special build
for someone with poor vision, but all I did was add some accessibility
package and make the fonts bigger. I never got any feedback on that.

Are there any stock desktop themes in xfce that you can recommend? I don't
know of an easy way to change the theme before logging in, but I can
probably figure out something. Maybe even a second user with different
desktop settings.

Window borders are going to get wider across the board. I can't grab an
edge with a track pad. Pretty sure we already made them wider once. I've
been thinking about doing it again. Have to dig up some old emails.

Thanks for the suggestions. This is now on my (mental) list of things to
do. Now that 8.0 is done, it's time to start playing with ascii. There
will be plenty of new builds to play with.

-fsmithred



> 
> A COUPLE OTHER REFRACTA SUGGESTIONS
> 
> The Refracta I installed on the laptop was very hostile to those with
> bad vision. It had this garish mostly orange and some black background
> that camouflaged any desktop icons and even terminals. The terminals
> were set to some low contrast thing like #aa on #00, with small
> fonts, and transparency. Imagine how hard it was to read anything when
> the garish background obscured the tiny, low contrast writing on the
> terminal.
> 
> Pretty is nice, but pretty is a luxury for the well-sighted. Those of
> us with lousy vision hugely prioritize legibility, which is usually a
> direct tradeoff with pretty. There are times I can't read pretty enough
> to configure it to legibility.
> 
> So I'd suggest a second theme for Refracta, either selectible at boot,
> or runnable by a click on the top left desktop icon (remember, the user
> might not be seeing the icon clearly enough to read it). The legibility
> theme should feature:
> 
> * No background image. Just a straight #006600 color, no gradient.
> 
> * Terminal coloration either #00 on #ff or #ff on #00.
>   Yeah, that gives some people headaches, but those of us with bad
>   vision can't even use the less contrasty stuff.
> 
> * Big font for the terminals. Big enough that an 80x25 terminal
>   emulator should occupy considera

Re: [DNG] Plop bootloader: was USB bootable ISO for i386

[fsmithred]

On 10/17/2016 08:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:26:46 -0400
> fsmithred  wrote:
> 
>> It worked great until I blew away the plop
>> bootloader by installing grub. :o
>>
>> -fsr
> 
> Who, I want to hear about the Plop Bootloader. I've used Plop Linux
> and liked it for what it was. How does one back up the Plop bootloader
> so it can be restored when an upgrade blows it away? Can Plop be used
> with a modern UEFI-only computer? (One can hope)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> SteveT
> 

I know very little about Plop Bootloader. What I recall is that it can be
installed to the hard drive or to external media. In this case, it was on
the hard drive.

As for what a modern UEFI-only computer will do, you may as well examine
entrails to get that answer. If you want to get an idea of the range of
possibilities, read this -
http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/

Some will let you put a bootloader in the MBR without screwing things up,
so it may be possible. Maybe I'll get brave and try it on the one uefi
machine I have.

I did try rEFInd on a usb stick, and it worked great. My 256MB thumb drive
is now a permanent home for that. Just in case.

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[DNG] Plop bootloader: was USB bootable ISO for i386

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:26:46 -0400
fsmithred  wrote:

> It worked great until I blew away the plop
> bootloader by installing grub. :o
> 
> -fsr

Who, I want to hear about the Plop Bootloader. I've used Plop Linux
and liked it for what it was. How does one back up the Plop bootloader
so it can be restored when an upgrade blows it away? Can Plop be used
with a modern UEFI-only computer? (One can hope)?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:49:34 + (UTC)
Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch
> 
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta
> 
> Way to go fsmithred!
> 
> golinux

OK, NOW we're getting somewhere!

Robert Storey, the article's author, is on the DNG list. Cool!

About a month ago I had to forego the perfect opportunity to install
Refracta on real hardware (my father in law's laptop) because I didn't
know the stuff in this article. I got caught by the "no network" catch
22, didn't have the time to investigate, and defaulted to Void (which
isn't all that easy an install either).

Now, with Robert's article, I think I can do it next time. But I do
have some questions:

About finding which of the 18 wireless drivers to install, and how to
install them: The article mentions having a previous Debian/Devuan or
Ubuntu install and then type "dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware".
But what should one do if he/she has no such previous installation?

The article mentions:

===
That's fine, except that there are 18 possible drivers, and you might
not know which one to install. You really wouldn't want to install all
18. 
===

Why not? What disadvantages would accrue if I simply installed all 18?
I know doing so wouldn't be neat or crisp or geekily correct, but
wouldn't it enable me to simply get on with it? What would be the
disadvantage besides crudity?

And if I simply got on with it, couldn't I later perform:

dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware

and uninstall any drivers that don't get mentioned? If so, what
uninstall command would I use (the install seemed not to use apt-get)?


A COUPLE OTHER REFRACTA SUGGESTIONS

The Refracta I installed on the laptop was very hostile to those with
bad vision. It had this garish mostly orange and some black background
that camouflaged any desktop icons and even terminals. The terminals
were set to some low contrast thing like #aa on #00, with small
fonts, and transparency. Imagine how hard it was to read anything when
the garish background obscured the tiny, low contrast writing on the
terminal.

Pretty is nice, but pretty is a luxury for the well-sighted. Those of
us with lousy vision hugely prioritize legibility, which is usually a
direct tradeoff with pretty. There are times I can't read pretty enough
to configure it to legibility.

So I'd suggest a second theme for Refracta, either selectible at boot,
or runnable by a click on the top left desktop icon (remember, the user
might not be seeing the icon clearly enough to read it). The legibility
theme should feature:

* No background image. Just a straight #006600 color, no gradient.

* Terminal coloration either #00 on #ff or #ff on #00.
  Yeah, that gives some people headaches, but those of us with bad
  vision can't even use the less contrasty stuff.

* Big font for the terminals. Big enough that an 80x25 terminal
  emulator should occupy considerably more than 1/4 of the monitor
  area. Consider bold fonts. Ugly, but more readable to the
  less-sighted.

* No friggin transparency!

* Window border width of 2px instead of 1px, colored very noticibly,
  especially for the active window (I use #00 for the active window
  border and #66 for the inactive window border). No silly
  gradients on the titlebar: legibility for the poorly sighted demands
  a solid block recognizeable as such.

* Window title bar font big, similar to what I described for the
  terminal emulator font, and very contrasty with the window title bar
  background color. 

* Active window's titlebar *VERY* noticible at a moment's glance. My
  active titlebar has a background of #DD and foreground #CC.
  I'm not color blind, but if I were, I might prefer something like
  #00 on #FF. Ugly to most of us, but to a poorly-sighted
  colorblind person this would be a saving grace.

As you read this, it will sound horribly ugly to you, but please
remember it will be used by very few. Most people will use the standard
theme. The only purpose of this alternate theme is to help those whose
vision is so bad they can't afford pretty. And please remember, unless
this alternate theme is either default or dead-bang easy and intuitive
to get to, the poorly sighted person will not have the visual acuity to
navigate the standard theme enough to make their computer legible.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[fsmithred]

On 10/17/2016 03:36 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
>> Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It
>> might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is
>> an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want
>> to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for
>> him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything!
> 
> Does Refracta build its packages itself?  Or does it just copy them 
> from Devuan, which copies them from Debian?
> 
> If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue.
> 
> -- hendrik
> 

Refracta uses the Devuan main repository. The packages don't get changed
in any way. As I mentioned in another post, Refracta and Devuan are using
the same Debian kernel.

Can anyone tell us what commands/options are used in making the Devuan
isos?  (xorriso, genisoimage, mkisofs?)

Speaking of booting everything, someone brought an old PII laptop to a LUG
meeting. He was trying to install linux on it and not having any luck. We
were able to boot my refracta(wheezy) usb stick on it and install the
system. It worked great until I blew away the plop bootloader by
installing grub. :o

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It
> might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is
> an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want
> to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for
> him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything!

Does Refracta build its packages itself?  Or does it just copy them 
from Devuan, which copies them from Debian?

If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue.

-- hendrik

> 
> On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the
> exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I
> can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking
> that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the
> Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue
> for another day.
> 
> Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my
> time zone).
> 
> cheers,
> Robert

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Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[Ozi Traveller]

+! an epic write up, well done fsr!! :)

Ozi

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Clarke Sideroad <clarke.sider...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote:
>
>> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch
>>
>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta
>>
>> Way to go fsmithred!
>>
>
> +1 to the above.
>
> It looks like it is trending very well over there too.
>
> A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at
> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linu
> x-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml
>
> I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 1005HA
> netbook last night, all went well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Clarke
>
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Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[fsmithred]

On 10/17/2016 12:21 PM, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote:
>> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch
>>
>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta
>>
>> Way to go fsmithred!
> 
> +1 to the above.
> 
> It looks like it is trending very well over there too.
> 
> A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at
> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml
> 
> 
> I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 1005HA
> netbook last night, all went well.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Clarke
> 
> 

Hey, the one at softpedia is a lot better than the one by the guy who
thinks he could do it with three minutes of desktop configuration,
starting with a default Devuan install. I won't even post a link for that.
No need to feed the google bot.

But the one by Robert is awesome. (Thanks again!)

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Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[Clarke Sideroad]

On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote:

FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta

Way to go fsmithred!


+1 to the above.

It looks like it is trending very well over there too.

A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at 
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml


I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 
1005HA netbook last night, all went well.


Thanks,

Clarke


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Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[aitor_czr]

Hi,

On 10/17/2016 05:25 PM, Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:

FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta

Way to go fsmithred!

golinux


GoLinux, there is section dedicated to the clock in the article of 
Distrowatch talking about refracta...


Thank you, thank you, thank you !!

  Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[Robert Storey]

Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It
might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is
an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want
to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for
him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything!

On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the
exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I
can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking
that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the
Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue
for another day.

Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my
time zone).

cheers,
Robert
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[DNG] booting the installation ISO

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:54:29AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski  wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
>  >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished 
>  >Linux
>  >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off 
>  >financially,
>  >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
>  >
>  >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso

I installed devuan from one of the old alphas.  I remember there was 
something I had to do with the ISO before I could boot it from a USB 
stick.  I gather it needed some kind of prefix?

The correspondence should be somewhere in the ancient history of this 
mailing list.

But maye the modern ISO's no longer have this problem.

-- hendrik
 
> >>>
> >>>which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
> >>>Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
> >>>least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.
> >That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.
> 
> Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel.
> 
> 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae
> 
> The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the
> computer hasn't this feature.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Aitor.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[fsmithred]

On 10/17/2016 06:29 AM, fsmithred wrote:
> On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote:
>>
>> In order to install, he downloaded file(s):
>>
>> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
>>
>>   and
>>
>> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso
>>
>> Installed to a usb stick as follows:
>>
>> dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
>> sync
>>
>> But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, 
> 
> 
> The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I
> don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't.
> 
> Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know
> what Devuan uses.
> 
> xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \
> -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \
> -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd"  -b isolinux/isolinux.bin
> -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \
> -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \
> -e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \
> -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/
> 
> 
> -fsr
> 

Correction: The i386 Refracta iso was made without the uefi options and
looks like this:

 xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \
 -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \
 -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd"  -b isolinux/isolinux.bin
 -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \
 -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table \
 -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/


Robert,

When you say it won't boot, what actually happens? Do you get as far as
the boot menu? Does it start to load the kernel? If you can get past the
boot menu at all, then press TAB at the boot menu and remove 'quiet' from
the command. Maybe it will give some useful information on screen.

-fsmithred

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Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 25, Issue 18

[fsmithred]

On 10/16/2016 08:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski  wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
 > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished
 Linux
 > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off
 financially,
 > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
 > >
 > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
>>> >
>>> >which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
>>> >Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
>>> >least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.
>> That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.
> 
> Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel.
> 
> 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae
> 
> The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the
> computer hasn't this feature.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Aitor.
> 
> 

Refracta-8.0 and Devuan-1.0 use the same kernel - the 3.16 from Debian Stable.

-fsr


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[DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

[Go Linux]

FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta

Way to go fsmithred!

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[aitor_czr]

Sorry,

On 10/17/2016 02:54 AM, aitor_czr wrote:


Hi,

On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski  wrote:

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:

> >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux
> >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially,
> >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
> >
> >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso

>
>which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
>Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
>least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.

That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.


Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel.

4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae

The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if 
the computer hasn't this feature.


Cheers,


The subject :)

  Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 25, Issue 18

[aitor_czr]

Hi,

On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski  wrote:

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:

> >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux
> >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially,
> >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
> >
> >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso

>
>which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
>Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
>least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.

That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.


Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel.

4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae

The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if 
the computer hasn't this feature.


Cheers,

  Aitor.






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Re: [DNG] Workrave is not installable in ceres

[El_Hoy]

I don't use apt-get, I use aptitude for conflict resolution.

Currently I have no obsolete packages and the upgrade went well I think.

---  Eloy

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:16 AM Edward Bartolo  wrote:

> HI,
>
> An important piece of information is 'how did you install Devuan
> Ceres?'. If you upgraded from one major version to the next, be aware
> certain packages may need to be upgraded before the final
> dist-upgrading. I am using Devuan ASCII which I upgraded from Devuan
> Jessie.
>
> The procedure:
> 1) Changed /etc/apt/sources.list to point to ASCII instead of Jessie
> and run 'apt-get update'.
> 2) Upgraded kernel, dpkg, apt,  aptitude with all packages that were
> pulled in the upgrade.
> 3) Rebooted
> 4) Run the final 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.  That installed a long list
> of packages.
> 5) Rebooted again to test the newly upgraded system.
>
> Edward
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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[fsmithred]

On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote:
> 
> In order to install, he downloaded file(s):
> 
> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
> 
>   and
> 
> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso
> 
> Installed to a usb stick as follows:
> 
> dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
> sync
> 
> But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, 


The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I
don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't.

Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know
what Devuan uses.

xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \
-isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \
-partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd"  -b isolinux/isolinux.bin
-c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \
-boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \
-e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \
-o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/


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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:36:34AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux
> > > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off 
> > > financially,
> > > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
> > > 
> > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
> > 
> > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
> > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
> > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.
> 
> That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.
> 


Thanks for pointing that out, Adam. I remembered something about i686,
and it was the wrong thing :)

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[Adam Borowski]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux
> > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially,
> > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends.
> > 
> > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
> 
> which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
> Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
> least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.

That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586.

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Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux
> geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially,
> so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. Neither of
> these machines has a workable CD or DVD drive (ie one is a netbook and thus
> no built-in DVD drive, the other has a DVD burner but is broken). Of
> course, both machines have USB2 ports and can boot off of these.
> 
> In order to install, he downloaded file(s):
> 
> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso
> 
>   and
> 
> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso
> 
> Installed to a usb stick as follows:
> 
> dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
> sync
> 
> But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, even
> after fiddling with BIOS parameters. However, at my suggestion he also

Hi Robert,

which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK
Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at
least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III.

My2Cents

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