Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories

2016-01-19 Thread Italo Vignoli
Yes, the Italian localization team is using OmegaT to translate the
guides, and there are glossaries and memories available. Valter Mura and
Luca Daghino are the people to get in touch with, through the Italian
localization mailing list. I can easily put you in touch with both of them.

On 19/01/16 10:34, Sophie wrote:

> Thanks a lot for your will to participate to the project, I guess you
> would like to translate in Italian. I'm not sure the Italian team is
> using OmegaT or such to translate the guides, but you should ask on the
> Localization list, see here for previous discussions:
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/L10N-f2500606.html

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[libreoffice-documentation] [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories

2016-01-19 Thread Sophie
Hi,
> From:  
> Date: Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:56 AM
> Subject: [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories
> To: webmas...@odfauthors.org
> 
> 
> Hi, I am a translator and I would like to part of this project and use
> glossary and memories.

Thanks a lot for your will to participate to the project, I guess you
would like to translate in Italian. I'm not sure the Italian team is
using OmegaT or such to translate the guides, but you should ask on the
Localization list, see here for previous discussions:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/L10N-f2500606.html

Let me know if you need help to subscribe either via Nabble or directly
to the list.

Cheers
Sophie

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[libreoffice-documentation] [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories

2016-01-19 Thread Sophie
Hi,
> From:  
> Date: Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:56 AM
> Subject: [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories
> To: webmas...@odfauthors.org
> 
> 
> Hi, I am a translator and I would like to part of this project and use
> glossary and memories.

Thanks a lot for your will to participate to the project, I guess you
would like to translate in Italian. I'm not sure the Italian team is
using OmegaT or such to translate the guides, but you should ask on the
Localization list, see here for previous discussions:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/L10N-f2500606.html

Let me know if you need help to subscribe either via Nabble or directly
to the list.

Cheers
Sophie

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[libreoffice-documentation] [odfauthors-webmaster] Glossary and Memories

2016-01-18 Thread Jean Weber
Yes, Giovanni Mandarino. Thanks.
-- Jean

On Monday, January 18, 2016, Sophie > wrote:

> Hi Jean,
> Le 18/01/2016 07:26, Jean Weber a écrit :
> > Sophie or someone?
>
> Is the original poster Giovanni Mandarino? I'll answer him but was not
> sure :)
> BTW, unless translators use OmegaT or such CAT (which is the case for
> Italian Guide I think), there are no glossaries and memories available
> unfortunately.
>
> Cheers
> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors new account request

2015-10-24 Thread elcico2001 एल्चिको

Il 22/10/2015 22:17, Jean Weber ha scritto:

Now done. Sorry for the delay. Antonio should receive an email with a
list to set a password.

--Jean


Thank you Jean! :)


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors new account request

2015-10-22 Thread Jean Weber
Now done. Sorry for the delay. Antonio should receive an email with a
list to set a password.

--Jean

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:04 AM, elcico2001 ???  wrote:
> Hello *,
> Could any odfauthors.org admin create a new account for Antonio Faccioli,
> italian l10n team?
> Mail: antonio.faccioli(at)libreitalia.it
> Permissions should be the same as mine (Luca Daghino).
> Please reply directly to Antonio (cc'ed).
> Thank you :)
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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors new account request

2015-10-17 Thread elcico2001 ???????

Hello *,
Could any odfauthors.org admin create a new account for Antonio 
Faccioli, italian l10n team?

Mail: antonio.faccioli(at)libreitalia.it
Permissions should be the same as mine (Luca Daghino).
Please reply directly to Antonio (cc'ed).
Thank you :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors Account Request

2015-05-02 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Ashley,

I just set up your account on ODFAuthors. You should have received an email
with a link to set your password.
Welcome to the team and have fun. And if you have questions on how to
proceed just ask again on this mailinglist.

/Sigrid


On 2 May 2015 at 13:14, Ashley Northup  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My name is Ashley Northup. I'd like to join the documentation team. I've
> been using LibreOffice (and OpenOffice, previously,) since I was in
> college. I have some experience with editing and writing, but this will be
> my first time in the technical writing side of things.
>
> If someone could set me up with an ODFAuthors account so I could start
> helping, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ashley
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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors Account Request

2015-05-02 Thread Ashley Northup
Hello,

My name is Ashley Northup. I'd like to join the documentation team. I've
been using LibreOffice (and OpenOffice, previously,) since I was in
college. I have some experience with editing and writing, but this will be
my first time in the technical writing side of things.

If someone could set me up with an ODFAuthors account so I could start
helping, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Ashley

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors login

2014-09-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi Peter G :)
Hopefully someone will register you at ODFAuthors soon.

They hopefully send you the login details such as username and password
privately.  You might be able to change the password to make it something
that hasn't been sent over the internet by email (not a hugely high risk
for something like this but it is possible).

Do you have a preference for username?  Something fairly short is usually
good.  We already have at least 1 Peter, but sometimes seems like we have
many more.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





On 20 September 2014 08:15, Joel Madero  wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Have you had any luck getting involved? If not I will try my best to get
> you some work - I know we need the help and appreciate the offer to help.
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/20/2014 12:09 AM, Jean Weber wrote:
> > I am no longer coordinating this group. Messages to the list are more
> > likely to get a reply. I hope.
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: *Peter Goggin* 
> > Date: Saturday, September 20, 2014
> > Subject: Writer 4.2 Guide Chapter 12 for review
> > To: Jean Weber 
> >
> >
> > On 20/09/14 13:21, Jean Weber wrote:
> >
> >> You can get it from here:
> >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-
> >> guide/drafts-v4.2/folder_contents
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Peter Goggin  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 20/09/14 11:06, Jean Weber wrote:
> >>>
>  The updated Chapter 12, "ToCs, Indexes, Bibliographies" is available
>  for review, along with other chapters.
> 
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/drafts-v4.2/
> 
>  This completes the draft book. As soon as chapters have been reviewed,
>  and revised as necessary, I will publish the chapters and compile the
>  full book. Please note that any major changes suggested (that is,
>  improvements rather than correcting errors) will probably be postponed
>  to the next update of the book. Improving the book is a very good
>  thing to do, but not at this stage of production... unless nobody
>  (except me) cares whether this book gets done in a reasonable time or
>  not. It's already very late.
> 
>  --Jean
> 
>   How do I choose a chapter to review? I am particularly interested in
> the
> >>> forms area and would like to review this chapter.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Peter Goggin
> >>>
> >> Sorry to be a pain but when I select a chapter how do I set so others
> know
> > I am reviewing it and how do I tell if a chapter is under review?  My
> > interests cover both the forms side (gui fort end) and the data base
> > setting up tables, views queries etc.  As I was a database manager and
> > designer for many years I have spent many hours dealing with both the
> front
> > end (gui user forms and controls) and the back end data base design.
> >
> > Please advise me where you think I would be most useful.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Goggin
> >
>
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Re: [odfauthors-discuss] [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors will be down immediately for maintenance

2014-03-16 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Andreas,

thanks for solving this issue!

Sigrid


On 16 March 2014 15:51, Andreas Mantke  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Am 16.03.2014 15:08, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'll take the ODFAuthors site offline in the next minutes for
> > maintenance. I'll work on the environment of the site and could put it
> > online again later today.
> because it's a Plone site created from a buildout script the rebuild of
> the environment worked very well. The site is online again and the issue
> with the mail-host should have been disappeared. I made a test with
> creating a new user and sending a link to reset and that worked fine
> (that was an issue with the virtual Python environment of the previous
> environment).
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors will be down immediately for maintenance

2014-03-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 16.03.2014 15:08, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> I'll take the ODFAuthors site offline in the next minutes for
> maintenance. I'll work on the environment of the site and could put it
> online again later today.
because it's a Plone site created from a buildout script the rebuild of
the environment worked very well. The site is online again and the issue
with the mail-host should have been disappeared. I made a test with
creating a new user and sending a link to reset and that worked fine
(that was an issue with the virtual Python environment of the previous
environment).

Regards,
Andreas

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors will be down immediately for maintenance

2014-03-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

I'll take the ODFAuthors site offline in the next minutes for
maintenance. I'll work on the environment of the site and could put it
online again later today.

Regards,
Andreas

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors site migration - Read only mode

2013-02-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

I had to move the ODFAuthors site to a new (faster) server. Thus I will
set the website into a read-only modus for the next days (during the
migration).

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors (was Re: Questions galore!)

2013-02-10 Thread Jean Weber
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:
> Le 2013-02-09 17:00, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
>
>
>>
>> When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was a
>> site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books for
>> sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on
>> internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make
>> things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer
>> community.
>
>
> ODFAuthors have been partners with OOo and in particular with LibreOffice
> from the very start. Jean Hollis Weber of ODFAuthors is one of our most
> prolific contributors on the project, we also make use of ODFAuthor
> resources and goodwill. I believe it is we who should be thankful for
> ODFAuthors helping us out with the docs teams and resources. I doubt things
> would go as smoothly without Jean and her team at ODFAuthors who work at
> quite high professional standards.


Just to expand on that a bit... ODFAuthors is a website that is
available to several groups if they choose to use it. At this time,
AFAIK, only LibreOffice makes much use of the site. The team of people
writing, editing, etc for the LibreOffice user guides are in fact the
LibreOffice Documentation Team, using the ODFAuthors website for
convenience.

A small number of people (of which I am one) maintains the ODFAuthors
website, sets up accounts for new members of the LibreOffice Docs
Team, and so on.

To further confuse everyone, the printed copies of the books are
published by yet another organisation, Friends of OpenDocument Inc.,
which also publishes other groups' and authors' books. Friends keeps
separate accounts for the various groups and individuals who use its
services.

Yes, the ODFAuthors website is primarily for the *production* of user
guides and other documentation, not the distribution and sale (which
are primarily done elsewhere). I'll look into improving the front
pages to make that more obvious.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors account

2012-10-22 Thread Łukasz Siwiec
Hello

I'd like to help with documentation for LibreOffice. I've read on the wiki
that this is the place to ask for the account on ODFAuthors website, so if
someone could set it up for me that'd be great.
Thanks,
Łukasz

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors account

2012-10-15 Thread Jean Weber
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Daniel Rose  wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> Just looking for some direction as to where I need to go to obtain an
> ODFAuthors user account
>
> any suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Daniel Rose


There are instructions on the ODFAuthors website, which say something
like ask on this list (which you have done) or write to the webmaster.

I've now set up your account. You should receive an email with login info.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors account

2012-10-15 Thread Daniel Rose
Hi Guys,
Just looking for some direction as to where I need to go to obtain an
ODFAuthors user account

any suggestions?

Regards,
Daniel Rose

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors

2012-01-19 Thread John Smith

Hi Sigrid

Again, thanks for your help.
Following your work-flow does the job nicely. Everything is now in order 
and I'm happy with what I've done.


Great job.

John

On 19/01/2012 19:53, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi John,

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:09:19 +
John Smith  wrote:


Hi.
Again, a little help please.
When Alfresco went down, I still had the Writer chapter on my machine
which I had posted there.

On ODF, I locked the file "Writer Guide>  To be updated to LO3.4>
Ch11". I've uploaded my copy of Writer Ch11 into the "Feedback LO3.4"
folder of the Writer Guide.
This leaves two copies of the Ch11 file in the "To be updated to
LO3.4" folder.
One is the locked file, and the other is the 'working copy'.
Do I leave these files alone or do I delete them?. How do I deal with
the locked file?.
In the "Actions" menu for the locked file, I have the options to
"Cut", "Copy", "Delete" or "Rename".
In the "Actions" menu for the the working copy, I have the same four
plus "Check in" and "Cancel check out".

In the German team we use a similar system to what you're used to from
Alfresco. If you have used the check out and want to upload the new
file, you can do this in that way:
- Go to the working copy, in the left side of the green menu bar (with
   "View", "Edit" and "Sharing" click on "Edit".
- There you can add some comments about what you did, you can chose
   either to "Keep existing file" or "replace file with" and you can
   then browse to the corresponding file on your computer. Click on
   "Save".
- When this is done, you can then click on the "Check in" in the
   actions menu. Then the old file will be replaced with your new file.
- To see earlier versions of the same file, you can click on the
   "History" link.

So, now to your problem:
Since you have your file already uploaded into the feedback folder,
just cancel your checkout. And I think you should be able to move the
"original" file from the "To be updated..." folder to the e. g. "Old
Drafts" folder. (I'm not sure if this is correct - look at the email
from Jean to see, how she had intended this).

If you can't move the document through say "Copy&  Paste", just send a
note and I will do it for you.

But I do think, adopting a similar workflow like I've described above,
would be a good idea. But this is a decision that the English team has
to take.

Sigrid



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors

2012-01-19 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi John, 

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:09:19 +
John Smith  wrote:

> Hi.
> Again, a little help please.
> When Alfresco went down, I still had the Writer chapter on my machine 
> which I had posted there.
> 
> On ODF, I locked the file "Writer Guide > To be updated to LO3.4 >
> Ch11". I've uploaded my copy of Writer Ch11 into the "Feedback LO3.4"
> folder of the Writer Guide.
> This leaves two copies of the Ch11 file in the "To be updated to
> LO3.4" folder.
> One is the locked file, and the other is the 'working copy'.
> Do I leave these files alone or do I delete them?. How do I deal with 
> the locked file?.
> In the "Actions" menu for the locked file, I have the options to
> "Cut", "Copy", "Delete" or "Rename".
> In the "Actions" menu for the the working copy, I have the same four 
> plus "Check in" and "Cancel check out".

In the German team we use a similar system to what you're used to from
Alfresco. If you have used the check out and want to upload the new
file, you can do this in that way: 
- Go to the working copy, in the left side of the green menu bar (with
  "View", "Edit" and "Sharing" click on "Edit". 
- There you can add some comments about what you did, you can chose
  either to "Keep existing file" or "replace file with" and you can
  then browse to the corresponding file on your computer. Click on
  "Save". 
- When this is done, you can then click on the "Check in" in the
  actions menu. Then the old file will be replaced with your new file. 
- To see earlier versions of the same file, you can click on the
  "History" link. 

So, now to your problem: 
Since you have your file already uploaded into the feedback folder,
just cancel your checkout. And I think you should be able to move the
"original" file from the "To be updated..." folder to the e. g. "Old
Drafts" folder. (I'm not sure if this is correct - look at the email
from Jean to see, how she had intended this). 

If you can't move the document through say "Copy & Paste", just send a
note and I will do it for you. 

But I do think, adopting a similar workflow like I've described above,
would be a good idea. But this is a decision that the English team has
to take. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors

2012-01-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi John :)
Which version do you want to have deleted?  The older one or the newer one?  or 
not sure?  

I'm sorry about the muddle that was caused by Alfresco going down.  We thought 
it would be a smooth update!  Thanks for helping pull the team through the 
muddle by getting your chapters up onto ODFAuthors so quickly.  

Pretty much everyone has to have their work checked / proofread.  I think Jean 
is able to proof-read her own sometimes but just having a fresh pair of eyes 
helps make things a lot smoother.  Similarly for filing and infra-structure.  
It's team-work that pulls everyone through.  Hardly anyone has all the right 
answers all the time!

Sigrid is also being a total star and very much appreciated!
Many thanks to all and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 19/1/12, John Smith  wrote:

From: John Smith 
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 19 January, 2012, 18:09

Hi.
Again, a little help please.
When Alfresco went down, I still had the Writer chapter on my machine which I 
had posted there.

On ODF, I locked the file "Writer Guide > To be updated to LO3.4 > Ch11".
I've uploaded my copy of Writer Ch11 into the "Feedback LO3.4" folder of the 
Writer Guide.
This leaves two copies of the Ch11 file in the "To be updated to LO3.4" folder.
One is the locked file, and the other is the 'working copy'.
Do I leave these files alone or do I delete them?. How do I deal with the 
locked file?.
In the "Actions" menu for the locked file, I have the options to "Cut", "Copy", 
"Delete" or "Rename".
In the "Actions" menu for the the working copy, I have the same four plus 
"Check in" and "Cancel check out".

I am not writing new chapters, only updating and changing existing chapters as 
required. All my work has to be checked over I'm afraid.

Regards,      John

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors

2012-01-19 Thread John Smith

Hi.
Again, a little help please.
When Alfresco went down, I still had the Writer chapter on my machine 
which I had posted there.


On ODF, I locked the file "Writer Guide > To be updated to LO3.4 > Ch11".
I've uploaded my copy of Writer Ch11 into the "Feedback LO3.4" folder of 
the Writer Guide.
This leaves two copies of the Ch11 file in the "To be updated to LO3.4" 
folder.

One is the locked file, and the other is the 'working copy'.
Do I leave these files alone or do I delete them?. How do I deal with 
the locked file?.
In the "Actions" menu for the locked file, I have the options to "Cut", 
"Copy", "Delete" or "Rename".
In the "Actions" menu for the the working copy, I have the same four 
plus "Check in" and "Cancel check out".


I am not writing new chapters, only updating and changing existing 
chapters as required. All my work has to be checked over I'm afraid.


Regards,  John

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors account

2012-01-15 Thread Jean Weber
Andreas Mantke (our sysadmin) is now enforcing the rule that requests
for admin rights must go through the webmasters list for approval. I
have copied this note to that list. I am very sorry for the
inconvenience.

--Jean

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 07:06, Juan C. Sanz  wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm in the Spanish documentation team.
> I used to have an admin account and I used to managed the Spanish folder in
> ODFAuthors, but I don´t  know how, I have "lost" the admin rights. Somebody
> else in the spanish team had also lost their rights.
> Can somebody give me admin rights again?
> Regards
> Juan C. Sanz

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors account

2012-01-15 Thread Juan C. Sanz

Hello.
I'm in the Spanish documentation team.
I used to have an admin account and I used to managed the Spanish folder 
in ODFAuthors, but I don´t  know how, I have "lost" the admin rights. 
Somebody else in the spanish team had also lost their rights.

Can somebody give me admin rights again?
Regards
Juan C. Sanz

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak



On 06/21/2011 02:25 AM, Jean Weber wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:09, toki  wrote:

On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:


Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state?

That literally depends upon the state.

It can range from attendance at a trade show, to having an office with
employees, a bank account, and an in-state telephone.


most of ODFAuthors membership, and the server on which its website is

hosted, are located outside the USA.

That might not make any difference.


AFAIK, anyone who attends trade shows does so as an individual, or on
behalf of some other group, not ODFAuthors. The group (not really an
organisation) has no office, no bank accounts in the USA, no
telephones, nothing... though individual members might.

To Andrew P: Similar comment. Anything you post is done as an
individual, surely?


You are correct Jean, and I certainly did not mean to imply otherwise. 
It is more a comment on what I must do. I posted an update to a public 
domain C++ cryptography library, and I had to be very careful about what 
I posted in that area. Certainly the group would have no likely problems 
because of it, but I had to be careful that I would not. Note that I was 
careful even though my contribution was only to make the list of names 
for the supported methods public. In other words, not even remotely 
related to cryptography.



And book sales are done by Friends of OpenDocument, the publisher (an
Australian organisation, with its bank account and Paypal account in
Australia), not the ODFAuthors team. Friends of has an account with
Lulu.com; ODFAuthors does not. If an individual buys a book from
Friends of and then resells that book, that's still nothing to do with
ODFAuthors "doing business", and more than if someone buys a book from
any other publisher and resells that book


This too should highly insulate the organization outside of Australia. 
You might be fresh meat inside of Australia (by the way)   :-)



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak



On 06/21/2011 01:25 AM, planas wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:57 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:


Because I live in the USA, I am bound by the laws of the USA when I
post... You know, so if I knew things that the USA did not allow out of
the country, I could not post them. I think that cryptography used to be
an example, not sure if it still is.


Some of the export rules have been relaxed on cryptography, but I do not
know the current rules.

On area we Yanks can get into trouble is with software patents and
copyrights. It is a problem with audio and video codecs and whether you
can legally download some you might find on the web. I have seen this
warning with several non-US Linux distros.


Yeah, many rules have changed, it is difficult to stay current.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-21 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Most of my questions about this have been answered already, thanks :)

TDF is likely to spend the money required to become a member of Oasis.  It 
would 
seem that it would be dumb not to.  My questions were to gauge how tightly 
integrated ODFauthors is with TDF and whether it might be appropriate to help 
them gain membership, perhaps at a reduced rate or as part of TDF.  


All the answers in this thread indicate that there wouldn't be much point and 
that ODFauthors could pursue this separately if there was any point.  


The gravitas of an organisation can increase when it can show that it is 
members 
of or supported by or just working with other relevant organisations.  Almost 
like a quality mark.  But it sounds as though that would be the only benefit to 
ODFauthors and for the price-tag it wouldn't be worth it.  


I've learned a lot about ODFauthors and it's all good :)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sun, 19 June, 2011 23:12:56
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

Tom,

I am not clear what the question is.

If ODFAuthors is not a genuine organization, I don't think there is any way for 
it to join OASIS.  


The easiest path would be for interested individuals from ODFAuthors to become 
TDF Members and be associated to whatever degree OASIS/TDF require to offer 
them 
as participants on OASIS Technical Committees.

I can't speak for the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), but I suspect they have 
no need to support participation on OASIS.  That is to say, I would be 
surprised 
to learn that they are an institutional member or see any need to become one.  
Perhaps that will change as the incubator process is completed for 
OpenOffice.org, but I think it is outside the lines with regard to how Apache 
operates.  I can't imagine them funding a third-party to go play at OASIS under 
any conditions.  That's completely outside the box, it seems to me.

- Dennis

PS: The last time I checked, ODFAuthors was about ODF in name only.
PPS: I just checked on the OASIS site.  ASF is not a member of OASIS at any 
level.  


-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 14:24
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

Hi :)

ODFauthors only cover LibreOffice and OpenOffice but there name suggests they 
might expand to cover other projects?  Did they used to be 1 section of the 
OpenOffice Community?  or where they always separate?

TDF's steering committee are talking about paying for membership to Oasis and i 
have been wondering if it would be appropriate to ask TDF's SC if they could 
get 

a reduced rate for ODFauthors, or include them in the same fee or should we ask 
TDF's SC and Apache to each put forwards half the costs for ODFauthors?  I 
imagine that it might be difficult for ODFauthors to raise the funding required 
to join so i was wondering how much support we could or should offer.  


Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread Jean Weber
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:09, toki  wrote:
> On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
>
>> Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state?
>
> That literally depends upon the state.
>
> It can range from attendance at a trade show, to having an office with
> employees, a bank account, and an in-state telephone.
>
>>most of ODFAuthors membership, and the server on which its website is
> hosted, are located outside the USA.
>
> That might not make any difference.
>

AFAIK, anyone who attends trade shows does so as an individual, or on
behalf of some other group, not ODFAuthors. The group (not really an
organisation) has no office, no bank accounts in the USA, no
telephones, nothing... though individual members might.

To Andrew P: Similar comment. Anything you post is done as an
individual, surely?

And book sales are done by Friends of OpenDocument, the publisher (an
Australian organisation, with its bank account and Paypal account in
Australia), not the ODFAuthors team. Friends of has an account with
Lulu.com; ODFAuthors does not. If an individual buys a book from
Friends of and then resells that book, that's still nothing to do with
ODFAuthors "doing business", and more than if someone buys a book from
any other publisher and resells that book.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread toki
On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state?

That literally depends upon the state.

It can range from attendance at a trade show, to having an office with
employees, a bank account, and an in-state telephone.

>most of ODFAuthors membership, and the server on which its website is
hosted, are located outside the USA.

That might not make any difference.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread planas
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:57 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

> On 06/20/2011 08:13 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:08 +, toki wrote:
> >> On 19/06/2011 23:02, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> >>
> >>> Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has
> >> no legal standing,
> >>
> >> FWIW, Under US Law, ODFAuthors is an unincorporated non profit
> >> organization. A separate legal entity from _Friends of Open Document,
> >> Inc_.
> >>
> >> Precisely what rights that gives it, depends upon the state in which it
> >> does business.
> >
> > Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state? Or in
> > the USA?
> 
> I can only guess. Probably  things such as selling a book. Apart 
> from that, probably not much.
> 
> > Although a few contributors live in the USA, most of ODFAuthors
> > membership, and the server on which its website is hosted, are located
> > outside the USA.
> Because I live in the USA, I am bound by the laws of the USA when I 
> post... You know, so if I knew things that the USA did not allow out of 
> the country, I could not post them. I think that cryptography used to be 
> an example, not sure if it still is.


Some of the export rules have been relaxed on cryptography, but I do not
know the current rules.

On area we Yanks can get into trouble is with software patents and
copyrights. It is a problem with audio and video codecs and whether you
can legally download some you might find on the web. I have seen this
warning with several non-US Linux distros.

> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

On 06/20/2011 08:13 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:08 +, toki wrote:

On 19/06/2011 23:02, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:


Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has

no legal standing,

FWIW, Under US Law, ODFAuthors is an unincorporated non profit
organization. A separate legal entity from _Friends of Open Document,
Inc_.

Precisely what rights that gives it, depends upon the state in which it
does business.


Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state? Or in
the USA?


I can only guess. Probably  things such as selling a book. Apart 
from that, probably not much.



Although a few contributors live in the USA, most of ODFAuthors
membership, and the server on which its website is hosted, are located
outside the USA.
Because I live in the USA, I am bound by the laws of the USA when I 
post... You know, so if I knew things that the USA did not allow out of 
the country, I could not post them. I think that cryptography used to be 
an example, not sure if it still is.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:08 +, toki wrote:
> On 19/06/2011 23:02, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> 
> > Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has
> no legal standing,
> 
> FWIW, Under US Law, ODFAuthors is an unincorporated non profit
> organization. A separate legal entity from _Friends of Open Document,
> Inc_.
> 
> Precisely what rights that gives it, depends upon the state in which it
> does business.


Hmm, interesting. What constitutes "doing business" in a state? Or in
the USA? Although a few contributors live in the USA, most of ODFAuthors
membership, and the server on which its website is hosted, are located
outside the USA.

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread toki
On 19/06/2011 23:02, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has
no legal standing,

FWIW, Under US Law, ODFAuthors is an unincorporated non profit
organization. A separate legal entity from _Friends of Open Document,
Inc_.

Precisely what rights that gives it, depends upon the state in which it
does business.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 06/19/2011 07:02 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

I personally don't see any reason why ODFAuthors should be involved with
OASIS; we are documenters, not coders. Any interested individuals who
happen to be involved with ODFAuthors should also be involved with other
groups that are more relevant


I agree with jean here!

The only time I poked around the specification was while trying to 
determine if the format supported multiple instances of a specific type 
of index or TOC (turns out ODF does NOT support it, which means that no 
program supporting ODF can support it).


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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-19 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Dennis, thanks for the clarification. I tend to use the word "code" as
shorthand for a whole cluster of things that are more technical than I
ever get involved in.

I did know that OASIS is about standards, not implementation code, but
IMO few if any people who aren't into code in some form (e.g. macros in
depth) would get involved in standards for a format.

--Jean

On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 18:30 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I want to erase a misconception.  OASIS is a standards development 
> organization.  Their work products are specifications, not code.  The closest 
> to code are schemas (in Relax NG in the case of ODF) for the XML structures 
> that carry the ODF document representation.

> Jean Hollis Weber wrote,
>  I personally don't see any reason why ODFAuthors should be involved with
> OASIS; we are documenters, not coders. Any interested individuals who
> happen to be involved with ODFAuthors should also be involved with other
> groups that are more relevant.




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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I want to erase a misconception.  OASIS is a standards development 
organization.  Their work products are specifications, not code.  The closest 
to code are schemas (in Relax NG in the case of ODF) for the XML structures 
that carry the ODF document representation.

The specifications do require expertise, but the intention is that someone 
"skilled in the art" could independently produce a conforming implementation 
without having to look at any code of an implementation.  (That's the ideal; I 
think it is safe to say that the ODF specification is still a bit immature in 
that respect.  It will improve over time.)

Programmers might or might not be inclined to do what it takes to digest one of 
these applications and provide QA and clarifying text improvements.  Fewer seem 
inclined to engage in the task of creating such specifications.

While the first-line of users are adopters of specifications in 
implementations, it is desirable to have participation of others, just as it is 
important at Apache and TDF.  It is just that the bug reports are not about 
implementations, but questions and comments on a specification.

People here who participate in the OASIS OpenDocument TC include Regina 
Henschel, who has been diligent in reviewing and questioning definitions of 
spreadsheet functions in ODF, and Thorsten Behrens, who does bring a strong 
implementer perspective.  Charles Schulz of TDF is on the OASIS Board.  There 
may be others but I've recognized these three in recent contributions on this 
list.

 - Dennis

PS: I'll wager that the ODF specifications themselves have not been a topic of 
discussion among ODFAuthors.  I'd be delighted if they were, though there is a 
distance from what the format is and users experience of software that supports 
the format.

-Original Message-
From: Jean Hollis Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 16:03
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 22:23 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> 
> ODFauthors only cover LibreOffice and OpenOffice but there name suggests they 
> might expand to cover other projects?  Did they used to be 1 section of the 
> OpenOffice Community?  or where they always separate?
> 
> TDF's steering committee are talking about paying for membership to Oasis and 
> i 
> have been wondering if it would be appropriate to ask TDF's SC if they could 
> get 
> a reduced rate for ODFauthors, or include them in the same fee or should we 
> ask 
> TDF's SC and Apache to each put forwards half the costs for ODFauthors?  I 
> imagine that it might be difficult for ODFauthors to raise the funding 
> required 
> to join so i was wondering how much support we could or should offer.  
> 
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 

The ODFAuthors website can be used by anyone or any group that is
producing documentation for any product that supports the OpenDocument
Format. We'd love to have it expand beyond the existing two products.

The original group (and their website) was known as "OOoAuthors"; it was
set up by some members of the OpenOffice.org community to produce user
guides for OOo. It has always been autonomous, although the user guides
eventually were adopted as "official" OOo documentation.

Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has
no legal standing, its finances are handled by an incorporated
Australian not-for-profit association called Friends of OpenDocument,
Inc. The domain name is now owned by TDF, which hosts the website.

I personally don't see any reason why ODFAuthors should be involved with
OASIS; we are documenters, not coders. Any interested individuals who
happen to be involved with ODFAuthors should also be involved with other
groups that are more relevant.

--Jean 


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-19 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 22:23 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> 
> ODFauthors only cover LibreOffice and OpenOffice but there name suggests they 
> might expand to cover other projects?  Did they used to be 1 section of the 
> OpenOffice Community?  or where they always separate?
> 
> TDF's steering committee are talking about paying for membership to Oasis and 
> i 
> have been wondering if it would be appropriate to ask TDF's SC if they could 
> get 
> a reduced rate for ODFauthors, or include them in the same fee or should we 
> ask 
> TDF's SC and Apache to each put forwards half the costs for ODFauthors?  I 
> imagine that it might be difficult for ODFauthors to raise the funding 
> required 
> to join so i was wondering how much support we could or should offer.  
> 
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 

The ODFAuthors website can be used by anyone or any group that is
producing documentation for any product that supports the OpenDocument
Format. We'd love to have it expand beyond the existing two products.

The original group (and their website) was known as "OOoAuthors"; it was
set up by some members of the OpenOffice.org community to produce user
guides for OOo. It has always been autonomous, although the user guides
eventually were adopted as "official" OOo documentation.

Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has
no legal standing, its finances are handled by an incorporated
Australian not-for-profit association called Friends of OpenDocument,
Inc. The domain name is now owned by TDF, which hosts the website.

I personally don't see any reason why ODFAuthors should be involved with
OASIS; we are documenters, not coders. Any interested individuals who
happen to be involved with ODFAuthors should also be involved with other
groups that are more relevant.

--Jean 


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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Tom,

I am not clear what the question is.

If ODFAuthors is not a genuine organization, I don't think there is any way for 
it to join OASIS.  

The easiest path would be for interested individuals from ODFAuthors to become 
TDF Members and be associated to whatever degree OASIS/TDF require to offer 
them as participants on OASIS Technical Committees.

I can't speak for the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), but I suspect they have 
no need to support participation on OASIS.  That is to say, I would be 
surprised to learn that they are an institutional member or see any need to 
become one.  Perhaps that will change as the incubator process is completed for 
OpenOffice.org, but I think it is outside the lines with regard to how Apache 
operates.  I can't imagine them funding a third-party to go play at OASIS under 
any conditions.  That's completely outside the box, it seems to me.

 - Dennis

PS: The last time I checked, ODFAuthors was about ODF in name only.
PPS: I just checked on the OASIS site.  ASF is not a member of OASIS at any 
level.  

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 14:24
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

Hi :)

ODFauthors only cover LibreOffice and OpenOffice but there name suggests they 
might expand to cover other projects?  Did they used to be 1 section of the 
OpenOffice Community?  or where they always separate?

TDF's steering committee are talking about paying for membership to Oasis and i 
have been wondering if it would be appropriate to ask TDF's SC if they could 
get 
a reduced rate for ODFauthors, or include them in the same fee or should we ask 
TDF's SC and Apache to each put forwards half the costs for ODFauthors?  I 
imagine that it might be difficult for ODFauthors to raise the funding required 
to join so i was wondering how much support we could or should offer.  


Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors

2011-06-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

ODFauthors only cover LibreOffice and OpenOffice but there name suggests they 
might expand to cover other projects?  Did they used to be 1 section of the 
OpenOffice Community?  or where they always separate?

TDF's steering committee are talking about paying for membership to Oasis and i 
have been wondering if it would be appropriate to ask TDF's SC if they could 
get 
a reduced rate for ODFauthors, or include them in the same fee or should we ask 
TDF's SC and Apache to each put forwards half the costs for ODFauthors?  I 
imagine that it might be difficult for ODFauthors to raise the funding required 
to join so i was wondering how much support we could or should offer.  


Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors site online again

2011-02-09 Thread Tom Davies
Superb :)  Congrats again :)  It will take a lot longer unexpectedly one day so 
i think it's best to do as you are doing and give people plenty of warning :)  
Nicely done :)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Andreas Mantke 
To: OpenOffice.org Authors ; 
documentation@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 8 February, 2011 20:10:23
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors site online again

Hi all,

the security update for the ODFAuthors site was very easy to install. It took 
me 
less 

than a quarter of an hour :-)

The site is up again now.

Have fun with ODFAuthors ;-)

Regards,
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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors site online again

2011-02-08 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

the security update for the ODFAuthors site was very easy to install. It took 
me less 
than a quarter of an hour :-)

The site is up again now.

Have fun with ODFAuthors ;-)

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors is online again

2011-02-04 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

the time needed for the update was shorter than expected. The ODFAuthors site 
is up 
again.
Please have in mind that the site will be down again on the next Monday evening.

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors at 8 pm (Middle European Time) offline for about half an hour

2011-02-04 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

because I'll update the CMS the ODFAuthors site will be offline at 8pm MET (in 
less 
than 25 minutes from now) for about half an hour. I'll inform you, when the 
site is 
up again.

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors: Some information about filestorage

2011-02-03 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

I give some information for those of you, which are interested a bit in the 
technology behind the scene.
We are using a Plone 4 CMS instead of the older 3.3.5. There are a big change 
about 
the way Plone is saving binary files now. In the past every thing was stored 
inside a 
big database. But now this files are saved in a blobstorage on the file system. 
Thus 
the database is much smaller and the CMS (DMS) works much faster.
We can get the binary files (e.g. ODT or PDF) from the filesystem as well now.

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors-Site: offline from Monday Feb. 7 evening to Wednesday Feb. 9 evening

2011-02-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

the ODFAuthors-Site will be offline the next week from Monday evening (Feb. 7) 
to 
Wednesday (Feb. 9) evening due to a necessary patch. This patch will be 
published on 
Tuesday next week. I currently don't know how long it takes to install the 
patch (and 
because I'm very short at spare time on Tuesday), this may last up to Wednesday 
evening. I'll inform you, when every thing is done and the site is online again.

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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors vs Alfresco vs others

2011-01-23 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi,

I would like to clarify the different initiatives taking part of the 
LibreOffice documentation:


- The ODFAuthors (exOOoAuhtors) is the oldest initiative, hosted now by 
TDF, who has proven its capacity to produce and federate members by the 
guides and books covering all the suite it has produced. Several of our 
members are part of this initiative since a long time and they work on 
several languages.


- The Alfresco initiative is just born, pushed by David Nelson and has, 
for the moment and due to his very young age, produced nothing. It aims 
to work on dedicated LibreOffice documentation on different forms. It 
his hosted by David Nelson and supported by TDF.


- I'm pushing another initiative dedicated to t9n using xliff file 
format on Pootle to allow TM and glossaries. This initiative needs to be 
evaluated and pushed or abandoned following the feedback of the translators.


Even if the ODFAuthors initiative has proven his ability to federate and 
convey users to our project, this should not prevent other initiatives 
to take place.
Each initiative is welcome if it constitutes an emulation and not a 
competition et if it contributes at the openness and complementarity of 
the participations.


Members get the same merit whether they participate to one or another 
and are respected at the same level. These initiatives are here to 
provide choices and our contributors will be free to choose the one that 
better answer their wishes.
Other initiatives will take place in the future and they will be 
welcomed and evaluated in the same way.


I hope this is clear for every body and I will add an introduction of 
the different initiatives on the welcome documentation page of the wiki.


Kind regard
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[libreoffice-documentation] ODFAuthors-Site with workflow

2011-01-18 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

I worked with Jean and Sigrid on a new Plone4-CMS with a workflow for the 
authors of 
documentation. This site will become a substitution of the current OOoAuthors 
site. 
The title and URL of the site changed, because it should be a "roof" for 
documentation-authors for OOo as for LibreOffice and because the CMS is located 
on a 
resource of the DocumentFoundation / OOoDeV.
There is a section for LibreOffice inside the new CMS. The site provides also a 
workflow, that is currently the same as on the current OOoAuthors-site. This 
workflow 
can be changed, if necessary.
The URL of the new ODFAuthors site is: http://www.odfauthors.org or 
http://www.odfauthors.com

You can create an account on the site yourself. If you want to get the author 
(editor) rights on the site, please ask on this list.

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