Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Nicolas, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. I have to say that I almost never hear such bad manners from French-speaking operators. Parisian driving technique does not seem to have spread to ham radio! The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? Cheers Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: f5...@free.fr Sent: 29 January 2009 09:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good o [The entire original message is not included] --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I have to say that I almost never hear such bad manners from French-speaking operators. Parisian driving technique does not seem to have spread to ham radio! It must be something wrong with me; I enjoy driving in Paris!! Hi The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? The offenders must be told in no uncertain terms that bad behaviour is not acceptable. The rest of us just have to be good role models! For starters: 1. Make our calls short, 2. One phone, use full call and standard phonetics (ICAO alphabet). 3. Never call when we don't hear the DX-stn OK We must know what is going on first to avoid unnecessary QRM 4. Listen - listen and listen again !! 5. Not spot local station on DX-clusters. 73 rag LA5HE Cheers Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: f5...@free.fr Sent: 29 January 2009 09:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good o [The entire original message is not included] --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- Denne mail er blevet scannet for virus af TDC Mailfilter. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29.01.2009 07:13 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
As a little pistol, who works some good DX from time to time, I find the biggest problem is that those who appear to act like idiots when DX appears, simply aren't listening. They have a microphone in their hands that they paid for and they plan on using it by God, and the rest of us be damned. It is their goal to be one of the early ones to claim victory over the rest of us. My motto has always been listen-listen-listen and it gives me a major edge over the mob. And I have no fear giving out my secret because most don't care. They want the hammer down regardless. I find it pretty sick to hear someone say thanks for the second or third contact with this mode and band, and I am still trying to work them the first time ever. Funny thing is it seems to be the same pinheads over and over. And no one nationality has a monopoly on this bad behavior. Their is just a group who are lewd, crude and socially unacceptable. It is a fact of life we have to deal with. I have learned where the tuning knob is and when it gets to bad, the on/off button is. The best part of it all, I hear their callsigns and I can determine first hand who the DX idiot are. They are the ones I won't have a qso with or hand out a contest contact. I just love it all when a plan comes together. At birth, you were given two ears and one mouth. What does that say you should do more of. I am looking foward to Descheo and I am sure more calls will make my personal hall of shame. 73 Larry Van Horn, N5FPW Brasstown, NC USA Monitoring Times magazine Assistant/Review Editor - Original Message - From: f5...@free.fr To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail
RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I will agree that Ragnar has some EXCELLENT Starter suggestions, but I want to maybe add another approach, and this could take time. I don't know if its possible to use PEER PRESSURE. When there are stations exhibiting bad behavior from name-land (you supply the country name), is it possible, probably by the well-known policemen, to contact the DX stations, and inform them to not answer any call from ANY of those name-land stations. That way, I expect their own operators will begin to police their own countrymen, if anyone from that country is going to work the DX. It may not work very well in the beginning, but I think over time, as the idea gains momentum, it will be apparent to the Big Guns and small pistols alike, from that country, that they have to get after some of their operators in those countries, or no one is going to get into the log. I think the DX-peditions of the future will have to include such planning for future DX-peditions, as we get into that season again, such things as liaison frequencies, or emails with secret addresses, if that's available, and passwords, etc., just to be able to use this type of control. Even to the extent of certain well-behaved operators from those offending countrymen countries, ought to be contacted ahead of time with alternate frequencies, to get through, and not be part of the pile-ups, etc. I don't know. I toss this out as an approach, as I remember a certain expedition that was well funded by a certain country, and those guys were given 14.347, which no one elsewhere knew about, to get right through and into the log. Only those others that tuned up there by chance, and listened to what was sporatically happening, might have eventually caught on. I wouldn't doubt that some of this is already in place (liaison frequencies, email contacts, etc.), except for the plan to ignore all of the offending country's stations. Yes, I'm sure that the U.S., with its numerous hams may have to be broken down by call-district, i.e., no calls from W(number), and move on to the next, if going by numbers, until perhaps, the next time that call district comes around again, and then see if the offenders have caught on. (Some of these people can't be that ignorant, and still have passed a licensing exam at one time !). 73 all, de Dennis, W2IU From: la...@otterstad.dk To: mausop...@btinternet.com; f5...@free.fr; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:32 +0100 I have to say that I almost never hear such bad manners from French-speaking operators. Parisian driving technique does not seem to have spread to ham radio! It must be something wrong with me; I enjoy driving in Paris!! Hi The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? The offenders must be told in no uncertain terms that bad behaviour is not acceptable. The rest of us just have to be good role models! For starters: 1. Make our calls short, 2. One phone, use full call and standard phonetics (ICAO alphabet). 3. Never call when we don't hear the DX-stn OK We must know what is going on first to avoid unnecessary QRM 4. Listen - listen and listen again !! 5. Not spot local station on DX-clusters. 73 rag LA5HECheers Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: f5...@free.fr Sent: 29 January 2009 09:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo IslandI can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Larry Van Horn wrote: The best part of it all, I hear their callsigns and I can determine first hand who the DX idiot are. While I'm not in disagreement, I propose that you're preaching to the choir? Those that fit your description, most likely don't subscribe to this, or any other, reflector? Obtaining, if possible, the aforementioned DX idiot email address, and a private email, to them, could possibly have far more success, than post's to this, or, any other reflector? 73, Shelby - K4WW --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Thats why God gave us 2 ears and 1 mouth - so we can listen twice as much as we talk... Tom GM4FDM Larry Van Horn wrote: As a little pistol, who works some good DX from time to time, I find the biggest problem is that those who appear to act like idiots when DX appears, simply aren't listening. They have a microphone in their hands that they paid for and they plan on using it by God, and the rest of us be damned. It is their goal to be one of the early ones to claim victory over the rest of us. My motto has always been listen-listen-listen and it gives me a major edge over the mob. And I have no fear giving out my secret because most don't care. They want the hammer down regardless. I find it pretty sick to hear someone say thanks for the second or third contact with this mode and band, and I am still trying to work them the first time ever. Funny thing is it seems to be the same pinheads over and over. And no one nationality has a monopoly on this bad behavior. Their is just a group who are lewd, crude and socially unacceptable. It is a fact of life we have to deal with. I have learned where the tuning knob is and when it gets to bad, the on/off button is. The best part of it all, I hear their callsigns and I can determine first hand who the DX idiot are. They are the ones I won't have a qso with or hand out a contest contact. I just love it all when a plan comes together. At birth, you were given two ears and one mouth. What does that say you should do more of. I am looking foward to Descheo and I am sure more calls will make my personal hall of shame. 73 Larry Van Horn, N5FPW Brasstown, NC USA Monitoring Times magazine Assistant/Review Editor - Original Message - From: f5...@free.fr To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? I say don't spot interesting stuff that already has a self-sustaining pileup. People who don't care to listen to the DX or can't hear the DX probably can't find the DX on their own anyway. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
It ain't gonna change. That's how it's been for the 25 years I've been licensed. You can only learn to be a better LISTENER and work around it. Sorry. The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
The European DXers that need KP5 will be pleased to know that the US Fish Wildlife Service has allowed the expansion of the area for antennas. This expansion includes the top of the high hill on the island. That hill would have a blocking effect on signals to Europe but with the antennas on top, there should be no problem. The area has been checked for unexploded bombs and several suspicious cites well marked. The team was told not to drive any ground rods in these areas. Good DX, Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: Dave mausop...@btinternet.com To: f5...@free.fr; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:29 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island Nicolas, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. I have to say that I almost never hear such bad manners from French-speaking operators. Parisian driving technique does not seem to have spread to ham radio! The bigger question is: what can we do constructively to improve things? Cheers Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: f5...@free.fr Sent: 29 January 2009 09:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I am not sure the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would not call if I hear from the DX Alpha Sierra, go ahead, even if my name is ending by AS... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: me and what peoples would think about me and about my power, first... (...let's worry about the others later). And to reply to another comment, this problem has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions. 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a french/spanish latin one :-) - Mail Original - De: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com, mausop...@btinternet.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good o [The entire original message is not included] --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Concerning the pile-up undiscipline, unfortunetly, I must admit that I fully agree. I do not know where this kind of radio behavior comes from, but it has nothing to do with any kind of HAM spirit. Strange... 73 de Nicolas F5FRM - Mail Original - De: DAVE WHITE mausop...@btinternet.com À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:02:51 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island ..and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. I hope I'm wrong, but experience suggests otherwise. These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets cheers Dave G0OIL --- On Mon, 26/1/09, David Johnson jdav...@mindspring.com wrote: From: David Johnson jdav...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island To: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:39 PM Hi Tim, First may I suggest that you go to the team web site www.kp5.us and read the latest press release. The team wishes to work folks like you with modest stations and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. The team will be there for 2 weeks with very good equipment and high power. I may suggest that you not get real anxious to work then in the first days. There is no doubt that they will be calling CQ toward the end of the dxpedition. 73 Good DX, Dave - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island HI Folks: Just looking for some hints and tips I am an extra class (W8TAH). My station is VERY much a little pistol IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I have worked a number of DXpeditions in the past, including the VERY EXCELLENT Ducie Island group last year -- I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. can any one give me any good ideas Im located in EN91cd TIM -- Tim Holmes W8TAH - Amateur Extra Operator Medina County AEC Skywarn Advanced Storm Spotter Certified Certified Severe Weather Specialist StormNet Chase 9 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I think it is just a cultural thing. The Italians ham like they drive. Just kidding. Win, w0lz - Original Message - From: f5...@free.fr To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island Concerning the pile-up undiscipline, unfortunetly, I must admit that I fully agree. I do not know where this kind of radio behavior comes from, but it has nothing to do with any kind of HAM spirit. Strange... 73 de Nicolas F5FRM - Mail Original - De: DAVE WHITE mausop...@btinternet.com À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:02:51 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island ..and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. I hope I'm wrong, but experience suggests otherwise. These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets cheers Dave G0OIL --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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Hi Win, having driven in Italy I'd wholeheartedly agree. However you should try driving in India. The Indian driving test consists of ensuring that you can drive along in a straight line a few yards, and that you don't mow down too many market stalls and bullock carts when you steer around a corner. And that's it.. Oh, and that you can honk the horn. Even driving along empty roads at 3am everyone honks the horn. Trucks are brightly adorned with prayers in Hindi along with - in English - Please Sound Horn painted on the tailgate. I think it's just to ensure that all possible senses are used when driving. You need them. In India they nominally drive on the left.and I mean nominally. Particuarly at night, everyone (especially trucks) drives with their full beam on in the middle of the road playing a macabre game of chicken with oncoming traffic. It's even less safe to drive near the sidewalk or in the gutter as there'll probably be someone sleeping there, or maybe a cow sitting there. You drive straight through a red light if there's no policeman around - you'd have to bribe him with 20 Rupees (about 30c) if he saw you - and going through a green light you slow down and look carefully, honking your horn, just in case there's someone running the red light at 50mph the other way. On my first day in India (I lived for a while in Madras, now called Chennai) I got a tut-tut (a sort of motorcycle rickshaw) from the Taj Hotel to work and to my horror he drove straight across the traffic, the wrong way around a roundabout (a rotary to you Yanks) in the paths of oncoming buses and cars. I thought it was my eyesight at first, but the buses really were listing about 30 degrees to the left due to about a hundred people hanging off the side to avoid paying. .but depsite all this, no-one got aggravated, no-one got angry. Have you ever heard an Indian operate on the radio like an Italian? Me neither. After a while I got to know that rickshaw driver and outside the office where I worked we often talked over a samosa and a cup of that amazing South Indian coffee bought from street vendors. He and his family lived under a tarpaulin on the pavement. Yet his eight children looked as smart as the kids attending the most expensive private school in London, all in their uniform and with their books under their arms going to school. This guy was born with nothing, but he worked all day and half the night, spoke fluent English, German, French and Italian - yet spent everything on educating his children to give them a better start than he had. It was a salutory lesson in life and attitude to me, and a real eye opener. We put these exotic countries in the log, but to actcually travel to them and live there is a true life experience. I went miles off topic, but what the hell? cheers Dave G0OIL --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Win w...@winlyn.us wrote: From: Win w...@winlyn.us Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 12:48 PM I think it is just a cultural thing. The Italians ham like they drive. Just kidding. Win, w0lz - Original Message - From: f5...@free.fr To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island Concerning the pile-up undiscipline, unfortunetly, I must admit that I fully agree. I do not know where this kind of radio behavior comes from, but it has nothing to do with any kind of HAM spirit. Strange... 73 de Nicolas F5FRM - Mail Original - De: DAVE WHITE mausop...@btinternet.com À: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org, jdav...@mindspring.com Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier 2009 18:02:51 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island ..and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. I hope I'm wrong, but experience suggests otherwise. These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets cheers Dave G0OIL
[DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
HI Folks: Just looking for some hints and tips I am an extra class (W8TAH). My station is VERY much a little pistol IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I have worked a number of DXpeditions in the past, including the VERY EXCELLENT Ducie Island group last year -- I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. can any one give me any good ideas Im located in EN91cd TIM -- Tim Holmes W8TAH - Amateur Extra Operator Medina County AEC Skywarn Advanced Storm Spotter Certified Certified Severe Weather Specialist StormNet Chase 9 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Hi Tim, First may I suggest that you go to the team web site www.kp5.us and read the latest press release. The team wishes to work folks like you with modest stations and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. The team will be there for 2 weeks with very good equipment and high power. I may suggest that you not get real anxious to work then in the first days. There is no doubt that they will be calling CQ toward the end of the dxpedition. 73 Good DX, Dave - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island HI Folks: Just looking for some hints and tips I am an extra class (W8TAH). My station is VERY much a little pistol IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I have worked a number of DXpeditions in the past, including the VERY EXCELLENT Ducie Island group last year -- I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. can any one give me any good ideas Im located in EN91cd TIM -- Tim Holmes W8TAH - Amateur Extra Operator Medina County AEC Skywarn Advanced Storm Spotter Certified Certified Severe Weather Specialist StormNet Chase 9 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. You'll have no problem, in my opinion, if you stick to your guns and call cleverly. KP5 is a chipshot from NA... as easy to work as KP4 if you didn't have the massive pileups. Your signal strength is no problem, you're going to be an easy 59+10dB in KP5. You'll just have to find the pattern in the pileups and drop your call at the right place. CW helps, in my opinion, but SSB should be possible. I got a contact with N3KS/KP5 in their brief stay on Desecheo on 30m with a station worse than yours. I was living in an apartment at the time, running a barefoot FT857D into a 100 foot magnet wire doublet via a remote tuner. My antenna was only up 25 - 30 feet vs. the 50 foot high doublet you have. The night before they left the island, I snagged them on 30m CW they were a small operation in great demand and only stayed a couple days. And whatever you do, do NOT be afraid to call on the first day. Don't wait it out to wait for the pileups to get smaller. Get in there every day until you get them even if you feel like you're up against a wall of kilowatts. You *can* get through with good timing, even in the first couple of days. It'll be a real bummer if they have to go home early. And pay close attention to their operating pattern and published frequencies. My barefoot + big vertical station got VP6DX QSO #1 because I got frustrated in some 80m CW pileup and decided to check VP6DX's pre-published CQ frequencies. Lo and behold, I get to 7002 and hear CQ CQ de VP6DX up 25, with not a soul on 7027. Right place, right time, and you don't even have to fight a pileup at all, and for KP5 that means it's as easy to work as KP4 ! But with these big DXpeditions with excellent ops, you can even fight your way through the piles. I got several QSOs with TX5C in the first few days of the operation, again, still barefoot... I've got somewhat better antennas now than I did in my apartment days, but certainly not more than a few dB absolute maximum over what you've got except on 160m and possibly 80m in DX land , though probably not. 73 Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
The team wishes to work folks like you with modest stations and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. While that's nice of them, I don't think it's necessary. The little pistol's #1 weapon in the pileups is to act like they're a big gun. A well timed and well placed in frequency 100W to a dipole ***can*** beat a kW to a 4el yagi manned by a sloppy DXer on 20m. Forget about what stations you're trying to beat because first of all, you don't know, and second of all, they're not more than 20dB louder than you are and while that's a lot, on CW the good op on the other end can intentionally copy the weaker one, and on SSB you can sorta hear a -20dB station through the louder one. Not well, but maybe well enough to come back with The Whiskey Eight? A DXer with excellent skills with high power and a big antenna is very hard to beat, but they get out of your way reaaaly fast. They listen a little, figure out where to call, call once and they're through, and off to another band. The only reason I need to be a bigger gun at this point in my DXing is because I can't hear SE Asian stations/expeditions at all when they're on. I need a big 20m beam on a tall tower so I don't keep missing Spratly, etc. 73 Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
..and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. I hope I'm wrong, but experience suggests otherwise. These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets cheers Dave G0OIL --- On Mon, 26/1/09, David Johnson jdav...@mindspring.com wrote: From: David Johnson jdav...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island To: w8tahra...@gmail.com, dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:39 PM Hi Tim, First may I suggest that you go to the team web site www.kp5.us and read the latest press release. The team wishes to work folks like you with modest stations and has ask the big guns to hold off a bit. Now we know that will not happen in some parts of the world but the request may help some. The team will be there for 2 weeks with very good equipment and high power. I may suggest that you not get real anxious to work then in the first days. There is no doubt that they will be calling CQ toward the end of the dxpedition. 73 Good DX, Dave - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island HI Folks: Just looking for some hints and tips I am an extra class (W8TAH). My station is VERY much a little pistol IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I have worked a number of DXpeditions in the past, including the VERY EXCELLENT Ducie Island group last year -- I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. can any one give me any good ideas Im located in EN91cd TIM -- Tim Holmes W8TAH - Amateur Extra Operator Medina County AEC Skywarn Advanced Storm Spotter Certified Certified Severe Weather Specialist StormNet Chase 9 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I have only one QSO with Desecheo right now - 15 meter SSB with the dynamic duo who operated there a few years ago. I want to get at least a CW and a digi QSO and maybe a couple other bands. I hope they aren't going to assume everyone in North America has KP5 confirmed on all band-modes already. :-) But it should be a lot easier from here than from EU. They're almost in my back yard. 73, Zack W9SZ On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
Hi Tim, I am located also in grid EN91, just a tad east of you located in Garfield Heights, just south of the Cleveland border. Using a modest station: Kenwood TS-850, with a Butternut HF9V ground mounted vertical. In December 2005 on The 16 17th I was able to make confirm contact with the K3LP, N3KS, KP5 expedition! Two points: 1). Only being up for a day with the world calling, I was able to make it by listening more than calling (although the temptation was strongly there) but I discovered the listening pattern of the FB op who was running the pileI positioned myself, gave a quick call and ...got him 2). Even still by using the method described, I was not alone in my plan and yes others were also calling on that frequency, so with my modest set-up, I can assure you that our location is a good one for this particular DX locationeven with others calling we somehow had a pipe-line from up here in N. Ohio!...With the time of year and conditions being close as last time, I suspect you will experience what I did as well. I am so greatfull for Dave K3LP, and N3KS, with everything else being said, these guys were in complete control and operating as true professionals. The neat thing was without going into the details of the 2-day DXpedition, my final contact I got through with K3LP on 12 meters.3 QSO's later They had to shut it down for good!...Gives the small pistol a nice feeling! I'll see you in the low band pile-ups for the next one...Good Luck 73 KB8NTY, Ross - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes w8tahra...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island HI Folks: Just looking for some hints and tips I am an extra class (W8TAH). My station is VERY much a little pistol IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I have worked a number of DXpeditions in the past, including the VERY EXCELLENT Ducie Island group last year -- I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. can any one give me any good ideas Im located in EN91cd TIM -- Tim Holmes W8TAH - Amateur Extra Operator Medina County AEC Skywarn Advanced Storm Spotter Certified Certified Severe Weather Specialist StormNet Chase 9 --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1916 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 7:08 AM --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---This is a multi-part message in MIME format. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1916 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 7:08 AM --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I'm not so sure, Rag. I think it's a cultural thing. Go skiing in Europe then in Colorado. Northern Europeans and Yanks stand in line (queueing to you and I but we have to be bilingual on an American reflector). Germans and Italians just form a big scrum whilst the Russians look like they'll club anyone else with a ski pole. Germans almost shunt you out of the way at 150mph on the autobahn. Listen to Italians around a dinner table. Everyone talks at once just like they do on the radio. Traffic laws in Italy are a joke. Traffic signals just change colour, that's all they do. Everyone ignores speed limits. They're not being rude because they're lovely people and it's just not in their nature to be rude. We have lots of great friends in all those places, I just think there are cultural differences. My Italian is as bad as my Spanish but I can still tell the difference between G0OIL and I1AAA or whatever no matter what the language. -Original Message- From: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no Sent: 26 January 2009 17:57 To: w8tahra...@gmail.com; dx-chat@njdxa.org; jdav...@mindspring.com; mausop...@btinternet.com Subject: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I can see right now what's going to happen when they work Europe: When the operator says quite clearly for the fifth time Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine, all the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten minutes solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating their 3kW amplifiers and without pausing for breath..even if they are in the log twelve times already. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get language lessons without even knowing it !! These guys are all pretty good operators and you'll have propagation akin to a telephone line on most bands nearly 24 hours per day from where you live. Don't bother takin the time off work during the first week when the big guns will slug it out toe to toe, but you'll make it in the log easily enough during the second week. If you wait till the band's closed to Italy, anyway.Whiskey eight Tango Alpha Hotel five and nine..ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO ITALY KILO. If you're like me you concentrate on CW where there are fewer muppets There are some rotten apples even on CW these days , I am sorry to say !This applies in particular to some Eastern -Europeans countries and Balkan. If they work split, which I am sure they will, things get easier when you have experienced operators at the DX-end. F ex I rarely have to make more that 2-3 calls to get a qso when f ex DL3DXX, G3SXW and others like them are at the DX-end- Even when the signals are marginal, which they often are up here in the North ! 73 rag LA5HE _ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com - [The entire original message is not included] --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
On 1/26/2009 Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote: IC 706MKIIG barefoot 10-15-20 Rotateable Dipole at about 25 feet 135 Foot wire dipole - fed with window line at about 50 feet -- wiht LDG AT200 Pro tuner for 10 - 80 (160 is miserable) 3 Ele Cushcraft Yagi on 6 at about 30 feet I want to try to make contact with Descheo island this february, as well as improve my over all DXing. Right now in this economy, hardware upgrades are not much of an option -- so im looking for techniques and the like. You'll have no problem, in my opinion, if you stick to your guns and call cleverly. KP5 is a chipshot from NA... as easy to work as KP4 if you didn't have the massive pileups. Your signal strength is no problem, you're going to be an easy 59+10dB in KP5. ...snip I have a smaller station than the OP (100 watts into a A-D DXEE at 25 ft) and broke the pile on 20m the last expedition - a tad of luck, yes, my only band, yes, but keep trying, figuring out the operating pattern, and you should get through - my goal this time around is 40m. I don't pig on it - I never even tried the other bands last time -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! The Spartans do not ask the number of the enemy, only where they are. -- Agix of Sparta --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I have plenty of Q's (80 through 10) since I was licensed in the mid-1980s, but still need one for my favorite band -- 18 mHz. I'll be in there looking. My amp hasn't been hooked up for over 2 years, and I don't intend to do so now (I'll get it in line for P5, though). So, barefoot it is. See you all on 17 meters! harry N2ERN --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I've had just one QSO with this one - and that was on 40m SSB with K3LP a few years ago. Did we ever find out who sabotaged that operation? I'm just hoping that the US Govt bureaucrats consider the operation a success so they can be persuaded to allow an operation from the last one I need: a KP1. I'm sure that it will be a great success, and wish all the best for the operators who are organising it - also great thanks for all their efforts in dealing with the FWS bureaucrats. Dave G0OIL --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Harris Ruben n2...@arrl.net wrote: From: Harris Ruben n2...@arrl.net Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island To: dx-chat List dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 8:36 PM I have plenty of Q's (80 through 10) since I was licensed in the mid-1980s, but still need one for my favorite band -- 18 mHz. I'll be in there looking. My amp hasn't been hooked up for over 2 years, and I don't intend to do so now (I'll get it in line for P5, though). So, barefoot it is. See you all on 17 meters! harry N2ERN --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island
I'm with you on this one Harris. With my efforts currently concentrating on 17 and 160 meters (not that I'd turn down 12 meters if it ever opened), I wouldn't mind working the KP5 guys on those bands. Now if the weather and work will ever give me a break to go add some radials to my poor pathetic inverted L for 160... 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org]on Behalf Of Harris Ruben Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:36 PM To: dx-chat List Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island I have plenty of Q's (80 through 10) since I was licensed in the mid-1980s, but still need one for my favorite band -- 18 mHz. I'll be in there looking. My amp hasn't been hooked up for over 2 years, and I don't intend to do so now (I'll get it in line for P5, though). So, barefoot it is. See you all on 17 meters! harry N2ERN --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
