[Elecraft] Advice concerning Update to K2

2007-08-08 Thread C WEAVING
I am still fairly new to Ham radio. Last year I purchased an old K2 Seriel No. 
638 with Firmware 1.04A and I/O 1.02. This rig is a basic model , CW only with 
the ATU. It suits me fine as low power CW is my main mode of operation.
   
  I have just purchased a firmware update to Rev. 2.04 and 1.09 on Ebay???
   
  I have reviwed the Elecraft website for update info, and feel reasonably 
comfortable doing the updates, but erring on the side of caution---so little 
point in updates that improve ssb.
   
  Now what to do??   I have considered each of the following.
   
  1. Do nothing---leave well alone.
   
  2. Just add the Software updates.  Is this useful on its own ?
   
  3. Add software updates and minimal hardware updates that improve CW 
operation.
   
  4. Add Sotware updates and Elecraft  Kit to Update Rev A to Rev B.
   
  5. As per 4 , but include any other useful updates.
   
  Others have been this way before, so hopefully there is an Elmer who can 
recommend a suitable approach. I have followed this forum for about 9 months 
and continue to be amazed at the help and encouragement postings produce.
   
  Thank you.
   
  Colin M3WCK
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Re: [Elecraft] Advice concerning Update to K2

2007-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Colin,

My recommendation is that you do *all* upgrades.  You will not be 
disappointed with the performance when all is done.


In addition to the changes listed in the K2 A to B instructions (do even 
the optional ones), add the keying waveshape change. put in a new set of 
IF crystals (7 for base K2 and 7 for SSB board).  If you want to change 
the SSB filter width to the newer 2.4 or optional 2.6 kHz width, order 
the KSB2CAPKT.  During the process, check the turns ratio on T7 and if 
it is not the newer 20:5 turns, change it.  Those changes should produce 
a K2 that behaves like a new one.


If there is nothing wrong with your K2 (it was a good performer in its 
original state), then you can just change the firmware and gain the new 
functions it adds, the older K2s are fully supported (BUT, sometimes the 
old sidetone source does not work reliably and you have to do that 
change - see the KIO2 or KPA100 manual Control board changes).  If you 
choose to do any of the upgrades, I suggest that you go all the way with 
it while you have things apart.


73,
Don W3FPR

C WEAVING wrote:

I am still fairly new to Ham radio. Last year I purchased an old K2 Seriel No. 
638 with Firmware 1.04A and I/O 1.02. This rig is a basic model , CW only with 
the ATU. It suits me fine as low power CW is my main mode of operation.
   
  I have just purchased a firmware update to Rev. 2.04 and 1.09 on Ebay???
   
  I have reviwed the Elecraft website for update info, and feel reasonably comfortable doing the updates, but erring on the side of caution---so little point in updates that improve ssb.
   
  Now what to do??   I have considered each of the following.
   
  1. Do nothing---leave well alone.
   
  2. Just add the Software updates.  Is this useful on its own ?
   
  3. Add software updates and minimal hardware updates that improve CW operation.
   
  4. Add Sotware updates and Elecraft  Kit to Update Rev A to Rev B.
   
  5. As per 4 , but include any other useful updates.
   
  Others have been this way before, so hopefully there is an Elmer who can recommend a suitable approach. I have followed this forum for about 9 months and continue to be amazed at the help and encouragement postings produce.
   

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[Elecraft] KX1?

2007-08-08 Thread Brett gazdzinski
Well, since the K3 is delayed, I have been fighting the
idea of a KX1 to build to fill the pre K3 time.

If I ever got good at the code, I would actually use
it portable, as we go hiking a lot, and I like motorcycle
camping.

But I was thinking it might be good for when I am in the den
and the wife is watching TV. I don't watch much TV (the news),
and running a wire to the KX1 would allow me to tune in
some CW for practice.

Kind of crazy to spend all this money at Elecraft though,
the K3 with most options is going to kill the wallet, but
I do love their stuff so.

The last NE602 rig I had (emtech) generated a LOT of hiss
in the chips. Is the KX1 the same?

The Emtech worked very well, but I got tired of listening
to all that hiss over time.

Funds wont allow me to get all the options, so I would
start with the base radio and add the other 
bands and antenna tuner later.
I know its better to do it all at once, but the total
KX1 package is quite expensive.

Anyone want to buy a new Yaesu VX-7R in black?

Brett
N2DTS

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[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Charles Allison
John,

I think that is a very small fee per device or may be per some sort of
assignment ID codes to be kept unique.

Primarily the USB standards cater to the mass production market.  Most of
the options for a design expect thousands of units to be produced in a
production run.  The USB interface is a nasty little complicated thing and
requires a large investment in study time to get familar with it.  Also,
there's no telling for just how long a time it will remain valid.  It is a
product of the modern PC age.  The serial interface is slow and cumbersome
and lacks many standards which tend to constrain things rather than help
sometimes.  It predates personal computers and to some extent, predates
computers, going back to the days of the teletype.  While not offering high
speed and not being suitable for transferring large amounts of information
quickly, it can be superior to the USB in some ways - specifically - wired
interfaces for distances longer than 10 or 20 feet.  For some 'secondary'
hardware  standards like RS485 instead of RS232, it can provide interfaces
in excess of 1000 feet.

Although USB style to RS232 interface devices may eventually become
specialty products not found at the local computer store due to a lack of
need from most users, they should remain around as specialty items.  If
RS232 is suitable for the job, then it might even be a safer bet than USB to
use for a product that should be expected to be around for a decade or more
rather than the typical life expectancy of 10 weeks for the usual computer
junk.  Most of my USB/serial ports were from the office supply place and
labeled as USB interfaces for PDAs.  I'm sure there are better suited ones
for RF environments and probably cheaper ones too.  But as long as USB
survives, they should provide me with the ability to connect to real devices
I need, such as radios, telescopes, TNCs, and gizmos that I can build and
program PCs to operate without having to read several hundred pages of barf
just to do something simple - like a dual azimuth antenna rotator
controller.  Such a homebrew project is impractical with USB, if not
virtually impossible, with most options having development kits that would
cost more than buying a commerical rotator in the first place.

As for USB, it's the best thing that's happened to RS232 serial ports since
willard  gates succeeded in getting the native ones banned because now
there's no seriously low limit as to how many you can stick on your PC and
they are the size of a pigtail cable with a long connector housing on the
end.  What's more, they are finally well supported as serial port devices by
the OS.

best regards,

Charles
wb5izd

Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:23:26 -0400
From: John Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
To: Richard Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I am not sure, but can point to one example that does include a USB
chip in its design that takes care of the conversion from USB to
serial.  It is the WinKeyUSB interface from K1EL.  It is quite possible
the purchase of the chip might pay such fees indirectly.  If it does the
fees must be low as the cost of the kit is under $50.

Richard Kent wrote:

I thought I heard or read that including an USB controller into a piece of
equipment requires one to pay a licensing fee to the organization that
maintains the USB definition. If this is true that could be why many
devices
do not include USB compatibility. The cost may be too much for the number
of
devices to be sold. Anyone know for sure??

Rick Kent WD8AJG



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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Charles Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 While not offering high
speed and not being suitable for transferring large amounts of information
quickly, it can be superior to the USB in some ways - specifically - wired
interfaces for distances longer than 10 or 20 feet.


200ft is easy (as you mention), and I don't see the need for USB speed with 
Elecraft's offerings except *maybe* the 2008 panoramic adapter - but this 
could easily use WiFi.


I have no doubt that serial cards etc. will be available for a very long 
time to come, it's a simple rock-solid solution. I would rather the K4 had 
bluetooth or Ethernet than USB.


Simon HB9DRV 


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Julian G4ILO
On 8/8/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have no doubt that serial cards etc. will be available for a very long
 time to come, it's a simple rock-solid solution. I would rather the K4 had
 bluetooth or Ethernet than USB.


Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already!

Given the likely level of environmental concern in 2015, I think that
the K4 should be solar powered and constructed of only recycled
components! :)

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread sbm

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:


Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already!

Given the likely level of environmental concern in 2015, I think that
the K4 should be solar powered and constructed of only recycled
components! :)


Ha!  Once I haev my K2 working and it gets to be 2015, I'll definitely 
keep recycling its use with solar power. ;-)


Will
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[Elecraft] OT - FS: Icom IC-2100H 2 meter rig

2007-08-08 Thread Jim Sheldon
I have one IC-2100H, 2 meter FM rig for sale.  Rig is minus microphone (got
run over by wife's car) and power cord (standard T type connector).  Would
make a good dedicated APRS radio for someone, or you could replace the
microphone and use it as is.  Rig is working and puts out 58 watts on high,
15 on medium and 5 on low power.  Comes with original book and mounting
bracket. 

I had it in my wife's car, but she picked up a new dual bander at a hamfest,
so this one is surplus -- I didn't realize the mic had dropped on the garage
floor when I removed the radio to install the new one and she ran over it
when she backed out to go to work hi hi.

Asking $85 shipped anywhere in the US  I'll take money order or PayPal.

Anyone interested - contact me off list please -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jim - W0EB

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[Elecraft] My email address has changed

2007-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Hi,

I have changed my email provider.  If you have me listed in your address 
book, please change the direct email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Alternates are my forwarding addresses:
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73,
Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:



Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already!



That was the secret ordering option for K3 round 1if you missed the first 
batchm you could make a deposit to reserve a space in the K4 first run.


73 k3hrn
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[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Fred (FL)
The USB (Universal Serial Bus) Interface, is in
fact a very modern high-speed interface.  It
actually operates at 3 speed levels, and as
many data and control levels schemas.

It has a Slow, Faster, and Hi-Speed protocol
form.
 
It can, or cannot, provide power to an external
device - depending on what external device
needs (PC mouse vs a large external disk drive,
or complex printer)

One can power an external USB device - off the USB
port itself, or you can power an external device (ex
-a storeage device) by itself.  The USB Interface,
allows PC system designers to finally plan for much
higher-speed external new devices - with this
modern 2007 data comms interface.  RS-232C
Serial - is approx. 50 years old this year
(via TTY  paper tape days  old Bell Labs
modems)

A very clear USB primer can be found at:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/usb6.htm

Seems to me that a future version of the K3, should
have it!

Fred, N3CSY



   

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RE: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Edward Dickinson III
Speaking of USB...

In the news today...Wireless USB will help cut the cords - USAToday

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-08-07-wirelessusb_N.htm


Regards,
Dick - KA5KKT/4

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for 
USB inside an HF radio.   I can understand the need, and value it 
myself, of being able to plug in a usb cable to a computer and hook a 
radio up to a computer.  But requiring the radio to have a noisy USB 
chip inside it makes no sense.  A cable that goes from the radio to the 
computer and has USB on the computer end provides 100% of the 
functionality necessary, reduces cost of the radio, and imcreases 
options (I.e., I can also control the radi with a microprocessor, or 
with an RF data device, both of which interface with serial).


Aside from USB, there are many digital bus standards opewn to amateurs 
an uC controller users...even a $1 PIC can handle the Dallas 
Semiconductor 1-wire interface, the I^2C interface, and the SPI 
interface.  (In fact, I would suspect that AUXBUS is either SPI or a 
variant.)  Though there are PIC chips with USB in them, they are more 
expensive, and asymmetric: the host side of the interface, which is what 
you need to be able to control a USB radio, is much more burdensome and 
generally done only on PC-sized computers.


Others have mentioned ethernet (and Orion and Kenwood have done it), 
though the attendant noise is an issue, and Bluetooth RF interface.  All 
of these could easily be layered on top of one of the 1- to 3-wire 
serial interfaces mentioned above, at low cost.  And we already know 
that Elecraft offers a bump-in-the-cord USB interface already for a low 
cost.


As Simon HB9DRV points out, USB may be useful for dumping IF data for a 
spectrum analyzer, but I suspect that a baseband signal buffered from 
the IF itself would be better than digitizing it inside the K3.


For smaller devices such as HT's, it might be nice to have the standard 
camera-sized USB connector some day, but a 4-pin mic jack cable with USB 
on the other end would do exactly the same job.


The place USB is useful on other small devices such as my 
miniradiosolutions VNA, mostly because it provides power.  But even on 
those devices, the transfer is still exactly serial, and RS232.The 
isochronous transfer mode isn't used,  And the power is not very clean: 
the SoftRock folks abandoned USB power for just that reason.


Just about every USB device that doesn't use isochronous or bulk data 
mode (I.e., except for video cameras, speakers, mics, and disks) is just 
a plain old 2-wire serial device.  There are a small number of USB chips 
from FTDI and others and product designers pick one, pay a royalty and 
gett a device id, and then purchase a stock RS232/USB driver which is 
bound to that device id.  So, on Windows you get Plug-and-Pray, hoping 
the manufacturer consents to keep providing their device-locked driver, 
when in fact, there is no real driver and all the driver-level 
communications is just RS232.  As a consumer, you get the power 
convenience, and the recognition at plug-in time, but you pay royalty 
cost, and you pay in pain at driver install time, and you are out of 
luck when the next version of Windows comes out and your manufacturer is 
gone.


For cost reasons, the device ID just isn't worth it on the small volumes 
we see on ham items.


I can only suspect that the USB marketing board has done too good a 
job.


Leigh/WA5ZNU
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Vic K2VCO

Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for 
USB inside an HF radio.  


Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big 
headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems 
-- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend 
valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for 
Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who 
knows what?


And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked 
to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource 
conflict, spyware, or whatever.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Julian G4ILO
On 8/8/07, Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big
 headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems
 -- and versions of operating systems.

That's the key point, I think. The argument against having noisy chips
inside radios could equally be applied to serial interfaces (in fact,
ISTR the KIO2 had an option to disable it because it created a small
amount of noise.) There are people who have argued for having an
Ethernet interface and built-in web server inside the radio.
Personally I think computers and radios are getting far too
inter-dependent and there is a danger that the modern generation of
radios will become obsolete before yesterday's models simply because
the computers necessary to use them are no longer made or supported.
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Well said Vic.
Warning - opinionated reply below G.

I believe the incentive for advocating USB in the K3 (or any other 
radio) is grounded in the fact that serial ports are disappearing from 
laptop (and some desktop) computers.


Serial ports make more sense to me - the means to communicate with the 
port is native in every operating system in current use (and is likely 
to continue to be), and it is the duty of the application to make the 
communications happen.  So you choose an application that supports the 
radio and runs on your chosen OS.  That is much different than depending 
on the radio manufacturer to provide support for a myriad of USB drivers 
  whose requirements will likely change with the next version of the 
operating system.


Serial will drive a long distance, so if you want to control the radio 
in a far corner of the home, all you need do is run a long serial cable 
- with USB, the distance is limited.


Serial ports may be disappearing from laptops, but the technology is 
uncomplicated and well proven and has fewer roadblocks and dependencies 
than solutions like USB.


Yes, Ethernet would be a better choice for those who have computer 
networks installed already, but a small inexpensive computer (with a 
serial port) dedicated to the radio installation can easily provide that 
level of connectivity - Simon Brown's HRD does provide for such remote 
operation.  I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM 
computers with *2* serial ports advertised recently in the $200 range. 
A computer like that would provide more power than needed for most 
situations, but then I already have more computers than I need.


73,
Don W3FPR

Vic K2VCO wrote:

Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire 
for USB inside an HF radio.  


Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big 
headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems 
-- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend 
valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for 
Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who 
knows what?



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[Elecraft] External matching case for K3

2007-08-08 Thread Ken Kaplan

Will be blessed with an external matching case for the K3?
I've searched around, but found no mention in other messages.
Although I probably can't figure what I'd use it for, except mabe a very 
large external speaker/amp.

73
Ken WB2ART

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[Elecraft] USB, K3, K4, etc.

2007-08-08 Thread Dave Martin
I don't really feel any need for USB support in my radio, but here's
something else to add to the ever growing suggestion stack.  It only
addresses firmware updates, not communication with the radio.

My Olevia TV offers firmware updates which are available on the Olevia
web site.  I simply downloaded a .zip file to my computer, unzipped
five files, and copied them to a flash memory stick.  Then I inserted
the stick into a USB connector on the back of the TV and turned it on.
 In a minute I had a TV with the latest features and bug fixes.
Simple.  No cables, no computer or OS requirements except USB support,
and no other software needed.  Of course if we keep adding all these
extras, we'll soon have to go to a bigger box.  But we've already been
there a couple of weeks ago.

73,
Dave W5DHM
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote:


Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB 
inside an HF radio. 


And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to 
help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, 
spyware, or whatever.



And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply?

I agree that having the USB inside the radio could be a problembut if they 
sell an adapterm there is some responsibility for them to support it.


If that's not the case, I can see situations where concept of circular guilt and 
it doesn't live here will operate.


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM computers with *2* serial 
ports advertised recently in the $200 range. A computer like that would 
provide more power than needed for most situations, but then I already have 
more computers than I need.


And so do I...with no room for any more, and no money to power yet another watt 
burner.


It would seem to me that of all the solutions, the external ding-dong adapter 
may be the least objectionable of all.


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Vic K2VCO

Thom LaCosta wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote:


And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked 
to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource 
conflict, spyware, or whatever.



And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply?

I agree that having the USB inside the radio could be a problembut 
if they sell an adapterm there is some responsibility for them to 
support it.


This is possibly an argument for them *not* supplying an adapter and 
letting it be the user's responsibility.


Reselling an adapter is a courtesy -- they've tested it, they know it 
talks to the radio.  The driver is the adapter manufacturer's 
responsibility. But if this seems likely to lead to bad feelings or 
finger pointing, then they should leave it up to the user to get an 
adapter if needed.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] kx1 battery

2007-08-08 Thread Brett gazdzinski
Just a quick question, my cell phone uses
a lithium Ion battery that is 3.7 volts at
1100mAh, four would do 14.8 volts and would be much smaller
than AA batteries. I think you could actually fit
6 in the space of 6 AA batteries.

Is 14.8 volts to much for a KX1?

Brett
N2DTS

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[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Tom Miller
There have been many good points made on both sides of this issue.  I think 
the beauty of USB or ethernet ports is in the eye of the beholder, and just 
as there are many facets to amateur radio, there are as many ways to 
evaluate a piece of hardware.


I'd like to suggest a solution.  I have no affiliation with this company, 
other than owning one.  The product is called a microHam DigiKeyer.  Here 
is a pointer  http://www.microham.com/


The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, and 
also chats with your radio on serial or TTL.  It all connects to your PC 
with a single USB (1.1  2.0) connection.  Although I've never tried it, it 
claims support for Macintosh computers without the requirement of loading 
any new drivers.


Having another soundcard for all your radio work is nice.  There's less 
risk that an audible windows prompt will key your radio, and you don't have 
to go into the soundcard settings all the time to readjust them.


Sound and serial, all through a USB connection.  Pretty clean... a nice 
balance of features.


At the risk of loosing the peace, I'd like to see an ethernet port and a 
TCP-IP endstation inside the radio but with a DigiKeyer, and my PC 
sitting next to the K3 (which I can remote into) I'm pretty close to that 
same goal.  I can even defend that having the PC there is +more+ 
flexible.  Maybe K3 plus DigiKeyer is the best solution already?


Oh yes.  One more point.  microHam *IS* planning a K3 cable.  It's not in 
their pulldown just yet, but it's expected in some time in 
October.  There's no point in all of use emailing them.


73 from Pennsylvania,

tom
n3ckk

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
One thing I want to say is that anyone planning on using the K3 for digital 
modes should get a very good soundcard as the K3's specs will be so good 
that a standard on-board soundcard solution will be the weak link in the 
chain.


Myself I have the Delta-44 from M-Audio in use with my TS-480 and I have a 
Edirol FA-66 waiting to be used with the K3.


The SignaLink USB is another option, it's very simple to use, have nice 
external level controls and is idiotically simple to install.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Having another soundcard for all your radio work is nice.  There's less 
risk that an audible windows prompt will key your radio, and you don't 
have to go into the soundcard settings all the time to readjust them.



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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Rick Kunath

Tom Miller wrote:

The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, 
and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL.  It all connects to 
your PC with a single USB (1.1  2.0) connection.  Although I've never 
tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the 
requirement of loading any new drivers.


Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock 
accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? I.e. how far 
off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you check that, or 
MMSSTV.


I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too.

I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks up on this, 
i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and 
stable as to any error value.


Rick Kunath, k9ao
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Re: [Elecraft] kx1 battery

2007-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Brett,

The KX1 is speced up to 14 volts, so you are a bit on the high side. 
You could use a couple diodes in series with the batteries to drop the 
voltage level if you can fit everything inside the case.


I will go out on a limb (and Wayne might correct me too G) and say 
that the most susceptable part to increased supply voltage is the Zener 
diode in the PA collector circuit.  That diode is there to protect the 
PA transistor from high levels of peak RF voltage that can result with a 
high SWR - so you may get away with the higher supply voltage if you 
keep the power down closer to 3 watts (adjust R4 for lower output) 
rather than trying to push for 4 watts or more.


73,
Don W3FPR

Brett gazdzinski wrote:

Just a quick question, my cell phone uses
a lithium Ion battery that is 3.7 volts at
1100mAh, four would do 14.8 volts and would be much smaller
than AA batteries. I think you could actually fit
6 in the space of 6 AA batteries.

Is 14.8 volts to much for a KX1?

Brett
N2DTS

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Lyle Johnson
The SignaLink USB is another option, it's very simple to use, have nice 
external level controls and is idiotically simple to install.


As incontrovertible evidence to support these assertions, even I was 
able to install and use it!


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Screenshots I have seen of the TigerTronics USB show crud at the 200Hz 
level.  I don't have one and haven't tested it.  I use a silver (pre 
iPod white) Griffin iMic, and it has a slight amount of 60Hz noise on it 
but much les than I have seen on the TT.  I use a TT SL1-+, but don't 
use its vox feature on the K2 (cat control).

Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:26 pm, Rick Kunath wrote:

Tom Miller wrote:

The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, 
and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL.  It all connects to 
your PC with a single USB (1.1  2.0) connection.  Although I've never 
tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the 
requirement of loading any new drivers.


Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock 
accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? I.e. how far 
off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you check that, or 
MMSSTV.


I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too.

I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks up on this, 
i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and 
stable as to any error value.


Rick Kunath, k9ao
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RE: [Elecraft] FS: K2/100

2007-08-08 Thread NZ8J
The K2/100 has been spoken for, thanks to the many who responded.
73
Tim
Nz8J

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote:


Thom LaCosta wrote:

And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to 
help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, 
spyware, or whatever.



And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply?



This is possibly an argument for them *not* supplying an adapter and letting 
it be the user's responsibility.


Reselling an adapter is a courtesy -- they've tested it, they know it talks 
to the radio.  The driver is the adapter manufacturer's responsibility. But 
if this seems likely to lead to bad feelings or finger pointing, then they 
should leave it up to the user to get an adapter if needed.


Hard for me to accept they would simply sell it as a courtesyby selling it, 
they are implying it works.  I wouldn't do that, unless I had run a test with 
a specific computer and specific OS.


I think it's a matter of Elecraft realizing that newer computers may not have a 
serial port.  I suspect their tests of the adpater lead them to the conclusion 
that it would work in a high enough per centage of the times that they could 
offer it.


I don't think any of can really say that they will and won't do, could and 
should do, etc.


I think they were between a rock and a hard place ... they produce a radio that 
uses a computer interface that is not readily available on most new 
computers.


73 k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Matthew D. Pitts


- Original Message - 
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?



Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for 
USB inside an HF radio.


Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big 
headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems --  
and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend valuable 
staff time making sure that working drivers are available for Windows 95 
through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who knows what?


Ok, I finally got pulled into this debate; in the case of Linux and most 
likely MacOS X, if the USB Chip is supported by the OS Kernel, there won't 
be a problem. I know the FTDI chips are supported natively in Linux (not 
sure what kernel version offhand) from reading it on several Yahoo Groups 
that I'm in that are part of projects that use that chipset.


Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
K2 #5956 


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Paul




I believe the incentive for advocating USB in the K3 (or any other 
radio) is grounded in the fact that serial ports are disappearing 
from laptop (and some desktop) computers.


Yep.


Serial ports make more sense to me - the means to communicate with 
the port is native in every operating system in current use (and is 
likely to continue to be), and it is the duty of the application to 
make the communications happen.  So you choose an application that 
supports the radio and runs on your chosen OS.  That is much 
different than depending on the radio manufacturer to provide 
support for a myriad of USB drivers   whose requirements will likely 
change with the next version of the operating system.


Very true, although this doesn't need to be the case. FireWire and 
video cameras proves that. No special drivers necessary.



Serial will drive a long distance, so if you want to control the 
radio in a far corner of the home, all you need do is run a long 
serial cable - with USB, the distance is limited.


There's definitely an argument for serial ports here, but 
unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), Ethernet 
solves this problem and offers a potentially unlimited control 
distance over the Internet. No drivers necessary, just a telnet program.



Serial ports may be disappearing from laptops, but the technology is 
uncomplicated and well proven and has fewer roadblocks and 
dependencies than solutions like USB.


I completely agree.


Yes, Ethernet would be a better choice for those who have computer 
networks installed already, but a small inexpensive computer (with a 
serial port) dedicated to the radio installation can easily provide 
that level of connectivity - Simon Brown's HRD does provide for such 
remote operation.


A dumb terminal could theoretically work.


I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM computers with 
*2* serial ports advertised recently in the $200 range. A computer 
like that would provide more power than needed for most situations, 
but then I already have more computers than I need.


Yep. And you can buy serial port PCI cards.

I like the USB interface because it lacks any issues with IRQs. 
That's a huge advantage over running 3 or 4 serial ports.






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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread W6NEK
On the Elecraft web site, in the K3 order form section, they list a KUSB 
(Univ. Ser Bus Adapt.) for $39.00.  I assume this is a adapter to convert 
the existing K3 RS-232 Port to a USB Port?  If so, it sounds like Elecraft 
is endorsing at least one RS-232 to USB Adapter.  Can anyone confirm this?


Thanks,
Frank - W6NEK 


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
I agree with you on Linux, and the quoted text below about it isn't 
mine.  If Elecraft offers a working USB dongle, that is sufficient USB 
support for me.

Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 1:37 pm, Matthew D. Pitts wrote:


- Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?



Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire 
for USB inside an HF radio.


Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big 
headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating 
systems --  and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to 
spend valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are 
available for Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, 
Linux, and who knows what?


Ok, I finally got pulled into this debate; in the case of Linux and 
most likely MacOS X, if the USB Chip is supported by the OS Kernel, 
there won't be a problem. I know the FTDI chips are supported natively 
in Linux (not sure what kernel version offhand) from reading it on 
several Yahoo Groups that I'm in that are part of projects that use 
that chipset.


Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
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RE: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Although I've never tried it, it claims support for Macintosh 
 computers without the requirement of loading any new drivers.

Works very well with Chen's cocoaModem, uH Router and Don's MLDX. 
Both Chen and Don have done an excellent job in writing native 
support for all the microHAM interfaces. 

 Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the 
 clock accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? 
 I.e. how far off is it on Rx and Tx?

Checks with MMTTY/MMVARI/MMSSTV consistently show zero error 
unless you try to share the sound chip between two applications 
with different sampling rates that are not integer multiples 
(e.g., 11025 and 48000 Hz).  

 I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too.

The USB interface and USB Sound Device are industry standard devices 
for which drivers exist in most LINUX distributions. There are still 
some issues in writing applications to the microprocessor controller 
in DigiKeyer, microKEYER and microKEYER II (to be released the end 
of this month).  Chen's uH Router can probably be ported to LINUX 
using the named pipes interface if there were a developer interested 
in taking on the task. 

73, 

   ... Joe Subich, W4TV 
   microHAM America 
   http://www.microHAM-USA.com 
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kunath
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:27 PM
 To: Tom Miller
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
 
 
 Tom Miller wrote:
 
  The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the 
 computer, 
  and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL.  It all 
 connects to 
  your PC with a single USB (1.1  2.0) connection.  Although 
 I've never 
  tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the 
  requirement of loading any new drivers.
 
 Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock 
 accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? 
 I.e. how far 
 off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you 
 check that, or 
 MMSSTV.
 
 I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too.
 
 I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks 
 up on this, 
 i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and 
 stable as to any error value.
 
 Rick Kunath, k9ao

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[Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM

2007-08-08 Thread John Jolley
Folks - 

I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first
rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's).  

I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very
handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do
if they are careful?  Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go
for someone with limited experience.

Any opinions are appreciated in advance - 

Thanks!

John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM

2007-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

Welcome to amateur radio and to the Elecraft reflector!

If you can solder properly and correctly follow written instructions, 
you can build a K2 (or most any other Elecraft kit).


If you are not certain about your soldering ability, check out the 
soldering tutorial info on the Elecraft website (Builder's Resource page 
I believe), try several solder connections and if possible find someone 
who knows what a good solder connection is (and will be honest with you) 
and ask him/her to critique your work.


No similar help with the 'follow instructions' part G, but if you 
don't understand parts of the manual, you will find help on this reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

John Jolley wrote:
Folks - 


I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first
rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's).  


I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very
handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do
if they are careful?  Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go
for someone with limited experience.

Any opinions are appreciated in advance - 


Thanks!

John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio

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RE: [Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM

2007-08-08 Thread Craig Rairdin
There are a couple important things to do:

1) Get the right equipment. Read the information at the Elecraft site and
get a real soldering station with a variety of tip sizes and an adjustable
temperature control. Get the right solder. Get one of those spring-loaded
solder suckers for fixing your mistakes. The bulb-shaped ones don't work.
(If you can afford a real desoldering station then that's even better, but
it's overkill.)

2) Read everything you can find at the Elecraft site about proper soldering
technique. Order a minikit or two to assemble first -- maybe the dummy load,
which is dirt-simple and is useful for tuning the radio when you're done.

If you have a good soldering iron -- not the fixed-temperature cheap Radio
Shack model -- and you have a good idea what you're doing, you should be OK.

You'll need some kind of magnifying glasses or one of those lights with the
magnifying lense built in. And you'll need something to deal with static --
like a static mat and ground strap all properly grounded.

Good luck and have fun!

Craig
NZ0R
KX1 #1499
K1 #1966
K2/100 #4941
K3/100 coming soon!

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Folks - 

I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first
rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's).  

I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very
handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do
if they are careful?  Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go
for someone with limited experience.

Any opinions are appreciated in advance - 

Thanks!

John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio

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[Elecraft] K2 parts identification/substitution

2007-08-08 Thread smithyg2004-k2list
Hi.  My K2 RFC6 is gold-blue-gray-silver.  Is this correct?  I.e. all my other 
RFCs have the tolerance band *after* the three bands for the value whereas RFC6 
has it *before them.  Just another manufacturer's quirk?
   
  My K2 Q6 driver transistor is marked C5739 which doesn't match the parts 
list (says it should be a 2SC2166).  Is this a substitute or an incorrect 
component?
   
  Many thanks,
  Graham G3ZOD.
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[Elecraft] K3 VOX AntiVox... WOW... GREAT WORK Lyle!

2007-08-08 Thread Tom Hammond

Lyle:

Being a 99.5% CW op, I seldom (ever) operate fone... heck, I can 
seldom FIND the mic for that matter.  But this afternoon, while 
waiting for Wayne to respond to a couple questions I had submitted to 
him, I cranked the K3 up to the (shudder) fone band on 20M, just to 
see if I cold get it to operate on fone, and to see how well the VOX worked.


I must say that one of the reasons I have always HATED operating fone 
in VOX mode in the past was the constant clicking of T-R relays and 
having to almost shout into the mic in order to overcome the ANTI VOX 
gain required by many of the (older) rig's I'd used in the past. I 
also hated it when the mic would trip repeatedly as a result of the 
audio being picked up by the mic from the speaker... I've never(!) 
had/used a rig which had what I considered to be decent ANTI VOX.


Well... NOW I HAVE!

Golly... I am absolutely amazed at what you have done with the K3's 
DSP to allow for such absolutely CLEAN VOX operation.  I was 
expecting to have to diddle with the VOX GAIN initially, to set it 
for my voice level, and THEN, to have to FIGHT with the ANTI VOX in 
order to compensate for the amount of VOX GAIN I'd chosen.


That never happened...!  In my Field Test K3, the VOX GAIN had been 
defaulted to a value of 30 (if I recall) and the ANTI VOX to 100.  So 
I started out using those values.  Using a Heil hand mic intended for 
an Icom radio, I found that I was able to crank the VOX GAIN back to 
about 10-15 and still had more than ample VOX sensitivity. Then, to 
my absolute amazement, I found that I could crank the ANTI VOX level 
all the way down to 0 (zero) and I STILL could not force the speaker 
audio to 'falsely' trip the VOX...!!!  And I tried pretty hard... I 
even held the mic up in front of the speaker, about 2 away and still 
it was stable.


I then cranked the VOX DELAY down to 200 mS (0.2S) and worked a 
station in Croatia with what was almost syllabic VOX... being able to 
listen between even short pauses in speaking... not quite between 
words (I didn't want to press my luck THIS time), but it sure is sweet!


I'm still a died-in-the-wool CW op, but I must say that what I've 
seen so far from your efforts with the K3 DSP on the SSB features 
wouldn't take much to have me operating fone a LOT more frequently.


And Wayne, I KNOW you're listening too... the latest changes you've 
made to the K3's firmware have really made the QSK sweet... quiet and 
FAST.  I now consider it to be as good as that of my TS-930S, which I 
always felt had some of the very best QSK ever offered in an HF 
rig... bar none.


Field Testing this rig is just getting funner and funner as the days go on.

73,

Tom   N0SS  K3 #0008

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[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Fred (FL)
Whatever Elecraft's data comms interface is for
the K3 - I hope they are not relying on our using
some item like a Tiger Direct USB-to-Serial
cable converter.  I have one here on my
desk, that couldn't be made to work with
Kenwood's TH-F6A HT and Kenwood's freebee
software program.

Unfortunately, here in summer place - all I have
is a very modern WiFi Compaq high-end PC with lots
of USB ports and hubs - and NO RS-232C Serial
port at all.  My printer is USB. My mouse is USB.

I just don't understand why RS-232C and that
god awful plug, lives on?  I wrote Z-80 program
for TTY RS-232C data comms product for Exxon's
QYX The Intelligent Typewriter and QTTY 
was a success for 1 year, before IBM came out
with their first DOS PC in 81.

As arcaic as RS-232C is, there are certain standards
that the  interface is supposed to obey, and that
the software applications are supposed to
comply with. Both drivers, and applications. Trying to
get this to work reliably over a USB-to-Serial cable
device bridge - may not be the most sure way
to do it.

In discussing it with Kenwood's Calif. Customer
Support center - they indicated that they had
found that some cable USB-to-Serial converters
actually used wrong wire connections on some
of the RS-232C plug pinouts.

I guess perhaps I'll just shy away - from using
any data comms on the K3, until someone smarter
in this stuff than I - can work it out.  Which
I'm sure in the end, they may do.  Alas .
we lost a USB opportunity in ham radio.

Fred, N3CSY


   

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[Elecraft] Re: USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread wayne burdick

Fred (FL) wrote:



I just don't understand why RS-232C and that god awful plug, lives on?



Fred,

The K3 supports RS232 because a very large percentage of existing 
transceiver-to-computer installations are still using it. There are 
well-established hardware drivers, interfaces, and software 
applications used for data modes, CW keying, contesting, logging, etc. 
If we didn't provide such support, we'd be forcing many of our present 
and future customers to completely re-tool.


In the near term, those who prefer to use USB can use our USB adapter 
or someone else's -- the cost of these is very low. But because our I/O 
module is easily upgradeable, we'll be able to offer in-box USB, 
ethernet, or whatever interface makes sense in the future.


We believe this flexible approach best serves our customers.

73,
Wayne
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 VOX AntiVox... WOW... GREAT WORK Lyle!

2007-08-08 Thread Lyle Johnson

Hello Tom!

Golly... I am absolutely amazed at what you have done with the K3's DSP 
to allow for such absolutely CLEAN VOX operation...


Thank you for the kind words.

Lyle

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[Elecraft] NØSS comments

2007-08-08 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Tom sed:

[snip]
And Wayne, I KNOW you're listening too... the latest changes you've
made to the K3's firmware have really made the QSK sweet... quiet and
FAST.  I now consider it to be as good as that of my TS-930S, which I
always felt had some of the very best QSK ever offered in an HF
rig... bar none.
[endsnip]

Wow!  I really want to play with one first, but I'm getting very close
to ordering K3 #2, sight unseen.  Tom and I agree 100% on the Kenwood
930/940/950 QSKIDEAL!  QSK is a BIG DEAL for me.  Sure wish there
more field tester comments posted on the other stuff going on.

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? (Revised Message)

2007-08-08 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:37:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like the USB interface because it lacks any issues with IRQs.
 That's a huge advantage over running 3 or 4 serial ports.

  I run 7 serial ports (9 if you want to count the two USB-to-serial
  converters) on my Win XP PC without any conflict.  Of course,
  the key is to choose the right multiport cards.  I use the single
  on-board port and three Quatech DSC-100 cards (I don't have any
  financial interest in Quatech, I just like their products which
  are not cheap).

  I also run 6 USB devices (4 on-board ports and a 7-port hub in
  one of them).

  (Lists of devices available for the curious.)

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?

2007-08-08 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:41:51 -0700, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

 use a silver (pre iPod white) Griffin iMic, and it has a slight
amount of 60Hz noise on it but much les than I have seen on the
TT.

  Good to hear that someone else sees that crud on the iMic (I
  use the white one with a RigBlaster Plus).  I thought that it
  was something that I did or forgot to do..

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[Elecraft] K3 serial numbers

2007-08-08 Thread Rick Dettinger
I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft rigs.  I am
wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit build?
Anyone heard?  Thanks
73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 serial numbers

2007-08-08 Thread wayne burdick


On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft rigs. 
 I am
wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit 
build?


No. You won't be able to tell the difference between the two physically 
or electrically, either.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] NØSS comments

2007-08-08 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Doug:


Wow!  I really want to play with one first, but I'm getting very close
to ordering K3 #2, sight unseen.  Tom and I agree 100% on the Kenwood
930/940/950 QSKIDEAL!  QSK is a BIG DEAL for me.  Sure wish there
more field tester comments posted on the other stuff going on.


Gotta keep yo in the dark a little... or it'll be completely 
anticlimactic!!! G


It's got a bunch of other neat things going on in there too... QRX...

Tom

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 serial numbers

2007-08-08 Thread wayne burdick
Just to clarify: I meant the K3s will have serial numbers, but there 
will be no differentiation between factory vs. kit.


73,
Wayne

On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:23 PM, wayne burdick wrote:



On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft 
rigs.  I am
wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit 
build?


No. You won't be able to tell the difference between the two 
physically or electrically, either.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] K3 question re dual receive

2007-08-08 Thread Tim Logan
I'm confused. I've assumed that the K3 sub-receiver must be connected to 
a second antenna - a luxury many don't have. However, as I read more I'm 
starting to wonder if the sub-receiver can be used for dual receive even 
though you are using one antenna? Is that the case or have I just 
exposed the depths to which my ignorance can sink hi hi? 73/Tim NZ7C

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[Elecraft] K3 question re dual receive

2007-08-08 Thread wayne burdick

Hi Tim,

The KRX3 subreceiver can either share the main receiver's RF path or 
get its signal from the unused KAT3 ATU antenna jack.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Tim Logan wrote:

I'm confused. I've assumed that the K3 sub-receiver must be connected 
to a second antenna - a luxury many don't have. However, as I read 
more I'm starting to wonder if the sub-receiver can be used for dual 
receive even though you are using one antenna? Is that the case or 
have I just exposed the depths to which my ignorance can sink hi hi? 
73/Tim NZ7C

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[Elecraft] K2 - iMic for Digital Modes

2007-08-08 Thread Phil Kane

  Has anyone successfully used the iMic USB-Sound device for
  digital modes (or anything else) with the MS NT4 o/s?  I want
  to move my K2 digital stuff using the Rigblaster Plus interface
  from my main computer using XP (where the iMic works very well)
  to a separate computer using NT4.

  The manufacturer says that it's not supported under NT, but we
  know the ingenuity of Elecraft users, right?

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