[Elecraft] Logger32 support for Elecraft K2/K3

2008-02-12 Thread Chris Gibson
For information: the next version 3.9 of Logger32 will include support for
Elecraft K2/K3 radios.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 spot volume

2008-02-12 Thread Barry N1EU

Doesn't the monitor control adjust the spot volume?

73,
Barry N1EU


Bill Harris-2 wrote:
 
 How do we lower the SPOT volume?  No help from the manual.  (that I can
 see)
 
 BillHarris
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[Elecraft] VP6DX

2008-02-12 Thread Mike Harris
Hi,

Just worked VP6DX 17M SSB.  Sure sounded good, didn't seem to be lacking 
in punch to me.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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Re: [Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread David Cutter

Charles

What band were you operating with the BCI problem?

David
G3UNA



I got #309, factory built, into service.  First contact was VP6DX barefoot.

First impressions (citing problems only):

-AGC does not clamp down on short duration pops/tones/blasts of toned noise.


-Stepping thru all 5 filters is a pain when u just want to compare F1 to F2.

-Front mic socket not compatible with any other mfg. that I can find.

-sending C in cw is weird, using the internal keyer, throws my timing off.

-BCI blows in as bad or worse as my IC-775dsp.  So far, this appears cured 
with ICE BCI filter in line, but this is my big disappointment.


As of my first week with my K3, if my opinion does not change over usage and 
time, I will not keep it and will go for the TV display of the FT-2000/9000 
line of radios which also have the hi-Q extra filters (which may or may not 
deal with my huge BCI incursion).  73,
Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Fw: [Elecraft] Re: Dayton 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Bob Seymour
Nor I !!! In fact I have rather early s/n K2 and K1 and have never seen nor 
heard either one.



- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Dayton 2008



Not So !!!

On 12 Feb 2008 at 4:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 After all, I think that I am the only Elecrafter left
that has not seen a K3 in person.



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Re: [Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread John A. McCabe

First impressions (citing problems only):

-AGC does not clamp down on short duration pops/tones/blasts of toned noise.

Hi Charles,

I believe that the AGC PLS menu setting in tech mode has an effect on 
how the AGC handles short duration pulses.  You may want to try changing 
that to see if it helps.


73,

John, KD8K
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[Elecraft] K2 problem with SSB transmit

2008-02-12 Thread Gary Krause
I've noticed lately that my K2 will stop transmitting on SSB after a 
short period of time.  It has happened before.  If I turn it off and let 
it sit a while, it will work fine again.  It seems to me that perhaps it 
is some kind of thermal problem.  I haven't had a chance to look at it 
yet but, if anyone else has had this problem and knows what to look for, 
I would appreciate it.  My K2 is the 10 watt version.  CW works great 
with no problems.

Thanks,
Gary N7HTS
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[Elecraft] interfacing K3 with Yaesu VL1000 amp??

2008-02-12 Thread Allan Taylor
I would like to know if anyone has yet interfaced the K3 fully with
the Yaesu VL1000 (Quadra) linear amp. That is, does the
'remote' connection from the amp to the transceiver have a place to go
and function appropriately (turning on xcvr when
tuning the amp and internal tuner). Also, interfacing the QSK T/R info
and band info from the K3 to the VL1000? I am sure
the long-awaited Elecraft amps will interface correctly (and easily)
but those amps are far in the future as seen from here and
I already have the VL1000!  It is, of course, a plug-in interface for
the Mark V.

No, I don't have my K3 yet. I ordered it early in November and it
should take some time to get down the list to my order!

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[Elecraft] K3 Error msg

2008-02-12 Thread KXB
Well...I've twisted something out of sequence. (was in the config menu before 
this happened) I get ERR TxF...  SSB phone, any band, dummy load.  Locks out 
the xmtr after the first key-up . I don't see it in the manual In the Error 
Msg. list. (page 58) 
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

BillHarris
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[Elecraft] Mic for K3

2008-02-12 Thread THOMAS BRERETON
Hi All,
I have access to a Kenwood MC-80 (made for the Kenwood 850). 
Is this compatible with the K3?
Tom Brereton, W0TOM
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Re: [Elecraft] Mic for K3

2008-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

The K3 is wired for the *now* Elecraft standard mic pinout.  It happens 
to be *compatible* with the Kenwood pinout (except for pins 5 and 6).


You should look up the pinout (and pin usage) for any microphone that 
you would intend to use with the K3 (or any other transceiver), and know 
the usage of all the pins.  If it maps to the the Elecraft pinout, then 
it can be used, otherwise the connector plug will have to be re-wired.


I can say that if any Kenwood mic does not connect anything to the  
Kenwood defined +5 (or +8) volt pin (pin 5), and does not connect 
anything to pin 6, then it will be compatible with the K3 pinout.


User, know your microphone.  There is information on the web - Google is 
your friend.  The Elecraft pinout information is in the K3 manual - we 
cannot be expected to reliably know the details and eccentricities of 
every microphone out there, but I can state for certain that the 
Elecraft MH2, MD2, and Proset K2 will work just fine with the K3.


73,
Don W3FPR

THOMAS BRERETON wrote:

Hi All,
I have access to a Kenwood MC-80 (made for the Kenwood 850). 
Is this compatible with the K3?

Tom Brereton, W0TOM

  

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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 - Paddle

2008-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Cliff,

I do not recall seeing your query about the KX1 paddle settings, but I 
may have missed it, even though I do try to skim all the Elecraft 
reflector posts.


If you look on page 65 of the KX1 owner's manual you will find the 
various menu entries. INP is one of them and will allow you to select 
HAND, PDLn, or PDLr.  The PDLn or PDLr will swap the action of the dot 
and dash paddle entries.


Similar information can be obtained on page 7 of the KXPD1 manual.

I could just say RT*M, but I usually try to answer questions from 
builders who who overlook those bits of information in the Elecraft 
manuals, so I typically spend about 2 hours a day answering similar 
questions - and NO!, I do not get paid by Elecraft for that effort, that 
is a contribution that I am willing to share with other builders.  This 
reflector is for communications between builders of Elecraft kits, but 
it is not the official Elecraft support mechanism - you can always email 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for the 'official' answers.



73,
Don W3FPR


MASH wrote:

Hi All:

Is there is setting on the KX1 to adjust which side of the
accompanying paddle is dits and which side are dahs?

Alos, I have noticed this listserv is now mainly a K3 listserv.
My questions and some of othes on KX1 have gone unasnwered. I ask
Eric, who assured me at HamCon in Sept. 2007 that help is
available on this listserv forKX1 owners, to consider setting up
another listserv for K3 owners.

Cliff, WW6CC
  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Error msg

2008-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

Do you have the correct filter set for SSB transmit? - it sounds like 
you do not.  ERR TxF means transmit filter error!  The 2.7/2.8 kHz 
filter must be selected for SSB and CW transmit.  See the menu entries 
on page 51 FLTX.  If you placed your 2.7/2.8 filter anywhere other 
than the FL1 position, this menu entry must be changed from the default 
position of FL1.


73,
Don W3FPR

KXB wrote:
Well...I've twisted something out of sequence. (was in the config menu before this happened) I get ERR TxF...  SSB phone, any band, dummy load.  Locks out the xmtr after the first key-up . I don't see it in the manual In the Error Msg. list. (page 58) 
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


BillHarris 

  

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Re: [Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Stofko
Charles, 

   You wrote:

-Front mic socket not compatible with any other mfg. that I can find.


Actually, it is!.. and it is well documented.. the front panel mic connector
conforms to the Kenwood pin-out.  I am using a Kenwood MC-60 on 
my K3 (#269) with no modifications and no problems.


I have found that most 'issues' that I thought I had in the first few days
of operating the K3 could all be chalked up to a bit of impatience and
operator 'mis-understanding'.  :-)

Good luck, 

Joe - W1AIU



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RE: [Elecraft] Re: Dayton 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Brett Howard
I'm yet another that's never seen one in person...  Ordered one sight
unseen But come on?  Its an Elecraft!  There's no risk! :)

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:49 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Dayton 2008

Not So !!!

On 12 Feb 2008 at 4:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  After all, I think that I am the only Elecrafter left
 that has not seen a K3 in person. 


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'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe.  ... Albert Einstein.

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[Elecraft] K3 serial # 194 - KTCXO

2008-02-12 Thread Max Kempson
A few days ago someone queried the stability of the KTCXO.  Without software
correction it is specified as 1 ppm.

I have just run a 24 hour test using WWVH as the reference on 15MHz.  The
change was minus 2 Hz at a front panel temperature of 30C.  I am not sure of
the stability of WWVH but the result is excellent.

Max/ZL4VV

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 problem with SSB transmit

2008-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Gary,

That is the classic symptom of a poor soldered (or unsoldered) connection.
If you can get it to fail (and keep it in a failing state), then you can 
troubleshoot it, but if not, take a critical look at all the soldering 
on the KSB2 board and reflow anything that looks like a bad solder 
connection.


If you see a rounded mound of solder on any connection, that is a 
suspect joint.  A mound of solder will mask a bad connection - and the 
cause is usually that the solder pad did not receive adequate heat 
during the initial soldering process. The soldering tutorial on the 
Elecraft Builders Resource page has renderings of good and bad solder 
joints should you not be familiar with what to look for.


73,
Don W3FPR

Gary Krause wrote:
I've noticed lately that my K2 will stop transmitting on SSB after a 
short period of time.  It has happened before.  If I turn it off and 
let it sit a while, it will work fine again.  It seems to me that 
perhaps it is some kind of thermal problem.  I haven't had a chance to 
look at it yet but, if anyone else has had this problem and knows what 
to look for, I would appreciate it.  My K2 is the 10 watt version.  CW 
works great with no problems.

Thanks,
Gary N7HTS


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-12 Thread Barry N1EU

I heartily agree with Bill.  The K3 is uniquely positioned to ride this new
wave wherever it does or doesn't go.

I'd add one more development that I feel is necessary.  Software that
interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to learn to play with
each other.  Developers have to stop writing code assuming there isn't a
need for other software to also simultaneously interface with the rig. 
Standards have to be developed and quickly adopted that will facilitate
exposing the rig's entire CAT functionality to any number of programs while
still preserving CAT responsiveness during fast paced contesting. 

73,
Barry N1EU



Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
 
 
 Michael E. Dobson wrote:
 
 
 Interesting note on the PVRC contest club reflector regarding the K3 
 with the wideband IF output.  Coupling it with the LP-PAN from N8LP 
 and CW Skimmer, they expect it to be THE standard for serious SO2R 
 contesting.  The comment is that everyone should order two of them 
 now.  At roughly $3K for the radio, LP-PAN and CW Skimmer, there is 
 nothing at any price that can beat it.  
 
 
 
 Hmmm...I wrote that note on the PVRC reflector and the above is not 
 an accurate version of what I posted.  For the record, here's what I 
 actually wrote:
 
 
 
  I'm not sure everyone comprehends the significance
 of several developments around the K3. Together they will
 allow parallel SDR-5000 class bandscope performance without
 sacrificing the highest performance front-end on the market.
 
 
 1. The availability of the K3's wideband buffered IF output opens
 up some very interesting possibilities.  Remember it's wideband,
 post-BPF and pre-roofing filter, so it can see the entire CW
 band when paired with an appropriate sound card (i.e. up to
 192 kHz of bandwidth).  This requires the $100 KXV3 option.
 
 
 2. N8LP's LP-PAN for the K3 (my guess is $500 assembled, $300 kitted?):
 
 http://telepostinc.com/K3pan.html
 
 This interfaces the K3's IF output to the computer sound card
 and SDR software (e.g. even PowerSDR which the SDR-5000
 uses).  You get a quality bandscope that far exceeds even the
 IC-7800 in capability. See specs above.
 
 
 3. VE3NEA's CW Skimmer software ($75):
 
 http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
 
 This will revolutionize serious contesting when unassisted single ops
 have the ability to internally generate Packet spots without outside
 assistance. SO2R using a K3/LP-PAN/CW Skimmer can feed spots
 directly to the bandmap of current contest logging software, which
 can sort needed mults/calls and present them in a point-and-click
 display (just like assisted or multi-multi ops use now).  This would
 probably not work on the same band without some other tricks but
 should work fine for other bands just as SO2R rigs do today.
 
  The convergence of these 3 products may set a new standard for
 serious contesters (and probably DXers). Add up the above prices, add
 $1000 for a computer/monitor and you have unbelievable performance for
 the money ($5k total including the K3 configured for contesting).
 
  73, Bill W4ZV
 
 
 
 
 

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[Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
Have you downloaded the latest firmware?  I've been operating my K3 on CW 
exclusively for the past week and haven't seen the C problem.


Phil - AD5X 


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Re: [Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Ken Kopp

No keyer problems here ...

You list enough problem items that I wonder if
something isn't wrong with somewhere.

Maybe an antenna corrosion-caused diode junction
creating the BC garbage ... and stray RF causing 
a keyer hick-up.


Please keep us informed.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
K3 #56
K2 #5665
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or
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-12 Thread Michael E. Dobson
I was typing fast from memory Bill so got the $$ amount wrong but you 
included the computer as part of the total price I believe, I did 
not.  Did you estimate kit or factory built prices for the contest 
configured K3?  I think a kit version of a full contest K3 can be had 
for just under $3k without the 2nd receiver (would that be used in 
SO2R?).  The comment that everyone should order two was the next 
message after yours in the digest I was reading.


I guess I am just too excited about having mine and all the good 
press it seems to be getting and wanted to share.


73,
Mike WA3KYY

At 05:56 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:




Michael E. Dobson wrote:


 Interesting note on the PVRC contest club reflector regarding the K3
 with the wideband IF output.  Coupling it with the LP-PAN from N8LP
 and CW Skimmer, they expect it to be THE standard for serious SO2R
 contesting.  The comment is that everyone should order two of them
 now.  At roughly $3K for the radio, LP-PAN and CW Skimmer, there is
 nothing at any price that can beat it.



Hmmm...I wrote that note on the PVRC reflector and the above is not
an accurate version of what I posted.  For the record, here's what I
actually wrote:



 I'm not sure everyone comprehends the significance
of several developments around the K3. Together they will
allow parallel SDR-5000 class bandscope performance without
sacrificing the highest performance front-end on the market.


1. The availability of the K3's wideband buffered IF output opens
up some very interesting possibilities.  Remember it's wideband,
post-BPF and pre-roofing filter, so it can see the entire CW
band when paired with an appropriate sound card (i.e. up to
192 kHz of bandwidth).  This requires the $100 KXV3 option.


2. N8LP's LP-PAN for the K3 (my guess is $500 assembled, $300 kitted?):

http://telepostinc.com/K3pan.html

This interfaces the K3's IF output to the computer sound card
and SDR software (e.g. even PowerSDR which the SDR-5000
uses).  You get a quality bandscope that far exceeds even the
IC-7800 in capability. See specs above.


3. VE3NEA's CW Skimmer software ($75):

http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

This will revolutionize serious contesting when unassisted single ops
have the ability to internally generate Packet spots without outside
assistance. SO2R using a K3/LP-PAN/CW Skimmer can feed spots
directly to the bandmap of current contest logging software, which
can sort needed mults/calls and present them in a point-and-click
display (just like assisted or multi-multi ops use now).  This would
probably not work on the same band without some other tricks but
should work fine for other bands just as SO2R rigs do today.

 The convergence of these 3 products may set a new standard for
serious contesters (and probably DXers). Add up the above prices, add
$1000 for a computer/monitor and you have unbelievable performance for
the money ($5k total including the K3 configured for contesting).

 73, Bill W4ZV




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RE: [Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Craig D. Smith
Re:  BCI Blowby

Also, Charles, it would be helpful to know what filter(s) you were using,
what kind of antenna and if it was generalized or if you have one strong BC
station in the neighborhood.

 73
   ... Craig   AC0DS

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[Elecraft] K3 #379 Arrived

2008-02-12 Thread Michael E. Dobson
At 4:53 EST today the much anticipated Big Brown Truck pulled up in 
front of the WA3KYY QTH and dropped off K3 #379.  This was a 100W kit 
with the KAT3, KXV3, 500Hz and 1.8KHz filters along with the stock 
2.7Khz filter.  All was present except the 1.8KHz filter which is on 
backorder.  Curiously, the included K3 order form does not list the 
KFL3-1.8 as an option.  I will need to query Lisa about that and 
perhaps request shipment of the 2.1Khz filter instead.


On to the part count and assembly.  With only having evenings, it 
will be a race to see if I get done by Z on the 16th for the ARRL 
CW DX contest.  If not, K2/100 #2221 will reprise it's efforts of 
previous years.


Interesting note on the PVRC contest club reflector regarding the K3 
with the wideband IF output.  Coupling it with the LP-PAN from N8LP 
and CW Skimmer, they expect it to be THE standard for serious SO2R 
contesting.  The comment is that everyone should order two of them 
now.  At roughly $3K for the radio, LP-PAN and CW Skimmer, there is 
nothing at any price that can beat it.  Well done Elecraft!  Rob 
Sherwood's review was just the icing on the cake.


73,
Mike WA3KYY
K2 #2221
K3 #379

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[Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Charles Harpole

I got #309, factory built, into service.  First contact was VP6DX barefoot.
 
First impressions (citing problems only):
 
-AGC does not clamp down on short duration pops/tones/blasts of toned noise.
 

-Stepping thru all 5 filters is a pain when u just want to compare F1 to F2.
 
-Front mic socket not compatible with any other mfg. that I can find.
 
-sending C in cw is weird, using the internal keyer, throws my timing off.
 
-BCI blows in as bad or worse as my IC-775dsp.  So far, this appears cured with 
ICE BCI filter in line, but this is my big disappointment.
 
As of my first week with my K3, if my opinion does not change over usage and 
time, I will not keep it and will go for the TV display of the FT-2000/9000 
line of radios which also have the hi-Q extra filters (which may or may not 
deal with my huge BCI incursion).  73,
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RE: [Elecraft] Mic for K3

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


The MH-80 is a powered microphone.  It uses either a battery or 
power from Pin 5 to bias the electret mic and operate an internal 
preamplifier.  Preamplifier output level by a pot at the output 
with no DC blocking capacitor.  

I would be very wary of using the MH-80 with the K3 unless the 
mic cable were rewired and a blocking capacitor was put in line 
with the wiper of the output level control. 

The web site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html is 
an excellent source of information on radio microphone connections 
and information/schematics of most OEM microphones. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
   



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:25 AM
 To: THOMAS BRERETON
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic for K3
 
 
 Tom,
 
 The K3 is wired for the *now* Elecraft standard mic pinout.  
 It happens 
 to be *compatible* with the Kenwood pinout (except for pins 5 and 6).
 
 You should look up the pinout (and pin usage) for any microphone that 
 you would intend to use with the K3 (or any other 
 transceiver), and know 
 the usage of all the pins.  If it maps to the the Elecraft 
 pinout, then 
 it can be used, otherwise the connector plug will have to be re-wired.
 
 I can say that if any Kenwood mic does not connect anything to the  
 Kenwood defined +5 (or +8) volt pin (pin 5), and does not connect 
 anything to pin 6, then it will be compatible with the K3 pinout.
 
 User, know your microphone.  There is information on the web 
 - Google is 
 your friend.  The Elecraft pinout information is in the K3 
 manual - we 
 cannot be expected to reliably know the details and eccentricities of 
 every microphone out there, but I can state for certain that the 
 Elecraft MH2, MD2, and Proset K2 will work just fine with the K3.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 THOMAS BRERETON wrote:
  Hi All,
  I have access to a Kenwood MC-80 (made for the Kenwood 850). 
  Is this compatible with the K3?
  Tom Brereton, W0TOM
 

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[Elecraft] Amplifier Keying Circuit

2008-02-12 Thread andreap
I'm considering buying a K-2 with the N0SS amplifier keying circuit already 
installed.  I will not be running an amp but do plan on installing the SSB 
board, internal antenna tuner, and battery.  Will the amp keying mod physically 
interfere with my planned installations? Thanks

Joe, AA0Q
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[Elecraft] K3/100 #384 has arrived!

2008-02-12 Thread John Reiser
UPS just delivered my K3/100 kit.  So far, I have unpacked the big brown box 
and removed the four smaller boxes.  Next, I plan to read the manual.  My goal 
is to have everything working in time for this weekend's ARRL CW contest.

For those keeping track, the serial number on one of the boxes is 000384, and I 
put in my order on May 29th.

My heartfelt thanks to Wayne and Eric and everyone else at Elecraft who worked 
so hard to make the K3 happen.  I know I will enjoy this radio like no other.

73,

John, W2GW

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[Elecraft] IGNORE - Testing new ISP

2008-02-12 Thread Ken Kopp

Rose Kopp - N7HKW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 if isolation of softrock lite used as panadapter

2008-02-12 Thread Jerry Flanders

Thanks, Jack

I just recently realized that many people assume that one sets the 
softrock center freq to the center of the IF passband. This would 
require MUCH isolation to keep the LO under control. This is NOT how 
I would recommend it be used. I would set the softrock's oscillator 
below the IF passband, outside the area passed by the roofing filter.


Since all I ever use in my panadaptor with either my 756PRO3 or 
SDR-1000 or sofrtock 40 is about +/- 12 KHz anyway, I will be quite 
happy setting the LO to 12 KHz below the IF center, and let the SR 
panadaptor display the K3 tuned freq +/- 12 KHz.


With this design, isolation problems may be simplified. Also, there 
is no need for a premium soundcard.


I hope that, with the LO well outside the IF passband, we will need 
considerably less isolation. I actually have a premium soundcard 
available, so I can move the LO even farther away if that helps. But 
I won't know for sure until mine comes in and I warm up the soldering iron.


Jerry W4UK

At 06:14 AM 2/12/2008, you wrote:

Jerry:

You might first wish to measure the reverse isolation of a MMIC 
before you make that statement. While they are great devices, 
isolation is not their strong suit.


The Gali74, which I use for a variety of purposes, has an isolation 
of around 28 dB at the K2's IF frequency. The gain is 25 dB, so if 
you pad the output for unity  gain, you are around 53 dB. With a 
Softrock's typical -40 dBm LO leakage, that strikes me a bit on the 
marginal side.



Jack K8ZOA



Jerry Flanders wrote:
I assume a simple MMIC amp plus a simple resistive attenuator 
circuit will provide enough isolation and also provide for matching 
levels up/down as may be necessary. At least, that will be my first 
cut at the problem unless somebody else comes up with a better plan 
before my K3 arrives.


At down east microwave ( http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/cat-frame.htm ),
see the 
http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5967-6159E.pdfINA10386 
(DC-2GHz, 24dBG, 3.5dB NF +14dbm 1dB Gain compression ) for only 
$5. Very easy to use something like this, I think.


Depending on the signal level of the K3 IF output, we might get 
enough isolation from  a resistive attenuator alone and still have 
a usable signal level on the softrock panadaptor.


I would much prefer a plug and play manufactured solution if it 
takes more than an attenuator, but not an expensive one.


Jerry W4UK


At 07:29 PM 2/11/2008, stephen pearce wrote:

A month or so ago one of the Elecraft engineers pointed out that
if the softrock lite rx is connected directly to the if port on the k3
there was a significant issue with coupling of rf from the softrock
board into the
rx if of the k# with consequent degradation in rx performance ...

Has anyone produced a design for a suitable isolation amplifier/
coupling stage which will
prevent this and still allow the softrock to be used (in conjunction
with a pc) as a panadapter?

Thanks


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[Elecraft] K3 spot volume

2008-02-12 Thread KXB
How do we lower the SPOT volume?  No help from the manual.  (that I can see)

BillHarris
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RE: [Elecraft] KX1 - Paddle

2008-02-12 Thread Brett Howard
I've seen many people get help on here amongst the K3 info on their other
radios.  I've personally helped a few with K1 problems and I've seen quite a
bit of info going back and forth about the K2.  I don't have a KX1 so I
don't really have an answer for you but just because your question doesn't
get an immediate answer doesn't mean you're being ignored.  It may not be
possible or people just flat out don't know...  I really don't see the need
for separate lists.  It's just that in Elecraft land the K3 is the most
interesting topic to people.  Give it time It'll change! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:24 PM
To: Elecraft - Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 - Paddle

Hi All:

Is there is setting on the KX1 to adjust which side of the
accompanying paddle is dits and which side are dahs?

Alos, I have noticed this listserv is now mainly a K3 listserv.
My questions and some of othes on KX1 have gone unasnwered. I ask
Eric, who assured me at HamCon in Sept. 2007 that help is
available on this listserv forKX1 owners, to consider setting up
another listserv for K3 owners.

Cliff, WW6CC
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[Elecraft] KX1 - Paddle

2008-02-12 Thread MASH
Hi All:

Is there is setting on the KX1 to adjust which side of the
accompanying paddle is dits and which side are dahs?

Alos, I have noticed this listserv is now mainly a K3 listserv.
My questions and some of othes on KX1 have gone unasnwered. I ask
Eric, who assured me at HamCon in Sept. 2007 that help is
available on this listserv forKX1 owners, to consider setting up
another listserv for K3 owners.

Cliff, WW6CC
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[Elecraft] K2 8R/keyline-RF Timing Questions

2008-02-12 Thread Steve Kavanagh
I read on this forum that there is about 15
milliseconds delay between the transition of the 8R
line from receive to transmit (and hence of the key
out lines in the KPA100 and K60XV) and the beginning
of RF output.  I have a couple of questions with
respect to this delay:

(1) Does this apply on both CW and SSB ?

(2) What happens on the transmit-to-receive transition
?  Does RF cease before or at the same time as the 8R
line or is there a similar delay ?

Just pondering how to interface various non-elecraft
transverterscan anyone advise ?

73,
Steve VE3SMA




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[Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-12 Thread Bill W4ZV



Michael E. Dobson wrote:
 
 
 Interesting note on the PVRC contest club reflector regarding the K3 
 with the wideband IF output.  Coupling it with the LP-PAN from N8LP 
 and CW Skimmer, they expect it to be THE standard for serious SO2R 
 contesting.  The comment is that everyone should order two of them 
 now.  At roughly $3K for the radio, LP-PAN and CW Skimmer, there is 
 nothing at any price that can beat it.  
 
 

Hmmm...I wrote that note on the PVRC reflector and the above is not 
an accurate version of what I posted.  For the record, here's what I 
actually wrote:



 I'm not sure everyone comprehends the significance
of several developments around the K3. Together they will
allow parallel SDR-5000 class bandscope performance without
sacrificing the highest performance front-end on the market.


1. The availability of the K3's wideband buffered IF output opens
up some very interesting possibilities.  Remember it's wideband,
post-BPF and pre-roofing filter, so it can see the entire CW
band when paired with an appropriate sound card (i.e. up to
192 kHz of bandwidth).  This requires the $100 KXV3 option.


2. N8LP's LP-PAN for the K3 (my guess is $500 assembled, $300 kitted?):

http://telepostinc.com/K3pan.html

This interfaces the K3's IF output to the computer sound card
and SDR software (e.g. even PowerSDR which the SDR-5000
uses).  You get a quality bandscope that far exceeds even the
IC-7800 in capability. See specs above.


3. VE3NEA's CW Skimmer software ($75):

http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

This will revolutionize serious contesting when unassisted single ops
have the ability to internally generate Packet spots without outside
assistance. SO2R using a K3/LP-PAN/CW Skimmer can feed spots
directly to the bandmap of current contest logging software, which
can sort needed mults/calls and present them in a point-and-click
display (just like assisted or multi-multi ops use now).  This would
probably not work on the same band without some other tricks but
should work fine for other bands just as SO2R rigs do today.

 The convergence of these 3 products may set a new standard for
serious contesters (and probably DXers). Add up the above prices, add
$1000 for a computer/monitor and you have unbelievable performance for
the money ($5k total including the K3 configured for contesting).

 73, Bill W4ZV




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RE: [Elecraft] K2: L17 value (error in manual?)

2008-02-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Hello Daniel: 

You should use 21 turns  for L17 as specified in the manual. 

The inductance formulas and charts are approximations based on typical
samples of the toroid material. You can expect some variation in the actual
value, such as what you note with the charts in link saying to us 22 turns
instead of 21 turns for L17 (2.50μH). Similarly, trying to measure the
inductance will lead to variations based on the calibration of the
inductance meter at the specific value being measured. 

The circuits were designed and tested with the numbers of turns and core
types specified. Part of the design is to provide optimal performance over
the range of inductances you'll find with various core samples, as long as
you use the type of core specified, the correct wire and the correct number
of turns positioned as shown in the illustrations! 

That's why there's a note on page 54 that says:

In the following steps you'll install several toroidal inductors.
Use the number of turns indicated. Do not attempt to alter the turns
to match inductances specified in the parts list.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
Hi,

L17 is one of the toroids in the 80 low pass filters. It is a T44-2 with 
21 turns (p 70 in the manual). This will have 2.26 uH, at least if 
WA8MCQ is 
right (see 
http://www.retards.org/library/technology/electronics/toroids/toroidcharts_m
cq.htm 
). 

But on page 5 of Appendix A, L17 is listed as 2.50 uH (part no E680012). 
Is that a typo? Or is that correct, and L17 needs 22 turns, which would 
make 2.52 uH?

73 Daniel M0ERA

K3 #4271
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[Elecraft] Re: Dayton 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Dave G.
Not So !!!

On 12 Feb 2008 at 4:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  After all, I think that I am the only Elecrafter left
 that has not seen a K3 in person. 


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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 - Paddle

2008-02-12 Thread Bob Cunnings
Yes, see page 65 of the KX1 owners's manual - it's the INP menu entry
which allows the selection of hand key and normal or reversed paddles.

Bob NW8L

On Feb 12, 2008 6:24 PM, MASH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All:

 Is there is setting on the KX1 to adjust which side of the
 accompanying paddle is dits and which side are dahs?

 Alos, I have noticed this listserv is now mainly a K3 listserv.
 My questions and some of othes on KX1 have gone unasnwered. I ask
 Eric, who assured me at HamCon in Sept. 2007 that help is
 available on this listserv forKX1 owners, to consider setting up
 another listserv for K3 owners.

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[Elecraft] RE: Mic for K3 (was #309 first issues)

2008-02-12 Thread Gary Hvizdak
On Tue 12 Feb 2008 22:42:18 EST Joe Stofko (W1AIU) wrote ...

-Front mic socket not compatible with any other mfg. that I can find.

Actually, it is!.. and it is well documented.. the front panel mic connector
conforms to the Kenwood pin-out.  I am using a Kenwood MC-60 on my K3 (#269)
with no modifications and no problems.

--

As Don has already stated the Kenwood standard wants power (+5V ~ +8V)
on pin-5, whereas the K3 Elecraft standard has FUNC on pin-5 and what
Elecraft calls bias on pin-6.

See  http://elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.1.jpg  for the K3 pin-out and
 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/kwood.jpg  for the Kenwood pin-out.

If this  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/kwoodcompat.pdf  partial
Kenwood microphone compatibility table is correct, one can rule out plug-
compatible interoperability of many Kenwood mics with the K3, based solely
on the fact that they have an Electret element.

From the available information, it appears that your MC-60 and just two
other Kenwood mics (the MC-42 and MC-43) are the only 8-pin round connector
models that will work with the K3 without some sort of adaptor to swap pins
5 and 6.

My conclusions are based on available information.  There may be addi-
tional Kenwood mics that will simply plug in and work properly with the K3.

73,
Gary  KI4GGX
K3 S/N TBD

P.S. I don't see this issue as a good reason to sell the K3!

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Re: [Elecraft] Mic for K3

2008-02-12 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft

Hi Charles,

We have been using this pin out for microphones on our rigs since we 
introduced the K2 nine years ago. It is 100% compatible with Kenwood 
dynamic microphones in addition to ours. It was picked so there would be 
a wide range of existing mics you could use right when we introduced the 
K2. We just continued it on the K3 to maintain compatibility with our 
prior microphones etc. I personally have Kenwood hand mics from my 
TS-950, VHF mobile rigs and a MC-60 desk mic that work well with the K2 
and K3.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ

_..._



Charles Harpole wrote:

K3 withYet ANOTHER non-standard mic pin-out.  Now ham radio has at least 4, 
and with Ten Tec, maybe a fifth.
Then there was the TR-3/4 which took a SMALLER 1/4 phone plug like 
Collins; and
the old 4 pin plug, too... ENOUGH !!
 
  

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[Elecraft] K3 - programming 60M

2008-02-12 Thread N2TK

Is there a way to store 60M channels like in the K2? Right now I have them
programmed in memory locations 00-04. To change channels I need to enter
MV, pick a channel then hit MV again.
Is there a way like the  K2 where when I hit the band switch to 60M I use
VFO A to turn to the different channels?
Maybe I am missing something?

Tnx
N2TK, Tony
#311 
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[Elecraft] Mic for K3

2008-02-12 Thread Dave G4AON
I have used a Kenwood MC-43S microphone with my K3 from day one. The 
microphone is 100% compatible with the K3 and gets excellent audio 
reports, it's also one of the cheapest fist microphones on the market. 
It also works just fine with my K2.


Elecraft offer their own microphone too. I don't know what the issue 
about non standard is all about... It's not a problem.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
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Re: [Elecraft] K1: Strange RIT behavior

2008-02-12 Thread MGFoster

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The version showed as 109.

The PFn menu item was set to the ATU.  I never set up the PFn to
anything.  After reseting the PFn to nb (which I don't have installed)
the RIT turns on when the menu is ATU  Out.  So, problem solved.

Thanks, Brett.  Still strange that the PFn was set w/o my intervention.
--
MGFoster:::mgf00 at earthlink decimal-point net
Oakland, CA (USA)
KI6OFN

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Brett Howard wrote:

When I set my tuner to out I have no problems turning on RIT.  Are you
sre you aren't selecting OUT for PFn and are holding the RIT/XIT(PFn)
button to get to the OUT menu element?

What is your PFn menu item set to?  When you hold the RIT button what do
you get?  Also what firmware revision are you running?  Hold down
band/display when powering up the unit.  When its up the ATTN light will
be lit.  When you release the button it will display the firmware rev
for a bit.


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While operating on 40 meters I tried to turn on RIT - instead of turning
on, the menu displayed the Out menu item.  I had the Attenuator on, so
I turned that off, yet still the Out appeared on the menu when I tried
to turn on RIT.

Later, by experimentation, I discovered that when the ATU's sub-menu
Out is selected the RIT won't turn on.  If some other menu item is
selected the RIT will turn on.  Is this a feature, or have I crossed
wires somewhere?

Thanks,


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RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Darwin, Keith
... Yep, I ordered mine in Sept. :-)

-Original Message-
David Ferrington, M0XDF

Ah - you need a K3 then :-)


On 12/2/08 15:31, Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 I'm one of those who
 wish they had NOT done it that but instead built the K2 from the start

 to be fully plug  play.

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[Elecraft] K2 Order

2008-02-12 Thread DW Holtman
Hello,

Excellent service!! Ordered a K2 yesterday, it is scheduled for delivery 
tomorrow (Wednesday). The reputation of Elecraft offering a great product with 
the best service certainly seems true.

Best,
DW Holtman
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[Elecraft] #309 first issues

2008-02-12 Thread Dave G4AON
I have no particular issues to speak of with my K3 and I'm one of the 
grumpiest people around!


The only real show stopper I had was discovering the K3 wouldn't switch 
fast enough for Amtor, much to their credit Wayne and Lyle pretty much 
stopped everything else for several days to solve the problem... From 
initial report to having a much faster switching K3 took little more 
than a week, you can't ask for more than that.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80 used on CW (with internal keyer), 
RTTY/MFSK/Olivia/PSK31/Amtor/Pactor (ARQ via a KAM Plus) and SSB.

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Re: [Elecraft] Transverter Setup anad ERR PL2

2008-02-12 Thread Greg - AB7R
Roger,

Check the KRX3 menu item in CONFIG and see if you may have turned that on 
somehow.  PL2 
would be for the sub receiver.  Set the menu item to NOT INSTALLED.

Transverter instructions are on page 36 of the operating manual.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Tue Feb 12  7:37 ,  RCStimson  sent:

 While trying to set up my K3's low level output for use with my Elecraft 
 144 MHz 
Transverter, I have inadvertently screwed up my K3 system. Now I am getting the 
ERR 
PL2 message. How did I do that?

 So, I need two things: First, how do I correct this error?  That is, what 
 are the 
specific steps? The manual isn't clear on this subject.
 
 Second, I need the specific steps I must take to correctly set up the 
 K3's 
transverter output and input ports for use with the transverter.

  Roger K8RS
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Re: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Ah - you need a K3 then :-)


On 12/2/08 15:31, Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 I'm one of those who
 wish they had NOT done it that but instead built the K2 from the start
 to be fully plug  play.

-- 
It came to me that reform should begin at home, and since that day I have
not had time to remake the world. -Will Durant, historian (1885-1981)


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[Elecraft] Transverter Setup anad ERR PL2

2008-02-12 Thread RCStimson
 While trying to set up my K3's low level output for use with my Elecraft 
144 MHz Transverter, I have inadvertently screwed up my K3 system. Now I am 
getting the ERR PL2 message. How did I do that?

 So, I need two things: First, how do I correct this error?  That is, what 
are the specific steps? The manual isn't clear on this subject.
 
 Second, I need the specific steps I must take to correctly set up the K3's 
transverter output and input ports for use with the transverter.

  Roger K8RS
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RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Darwin, Keith
DW Holtman wrote:

 I have ordered every option that I will ever want along with a
Elecraft Mic,
 why would I want to pay for UNPCBS?

You wouldn't.  The benefit of the unpcbs  such is that you can
eliminate rework when adding options.  Folks like me can start with a
basic K2 with the rework eliminators and then add options later without
having to do any rework on the K2 boards.  Some value this approach,
others scoff at it.  In your case, if you have all the options you'll
ever want, won't be making any changes and never plan to sell the K2,
then you can ignore the UNPCBS.  If you want to try different options,
or may some day sell the K2, then the UNPCBS / Rework Eliminators are
nice to have.

Elecraft built the K2 to be inexpensive and leaving out a handful of
parts apparently was a small part of that plan.  I'm one of those who
wish they had NOT done it that but instead built the K2 from the start
to be fully plug  play.  I want the freedom to just plug in an option
without having to make mods to the base unit, and then to later unplug
it and return to the stock radio.  UNPCBS  Rework Eliminators (whatever
they're called these days) have allowed my K2 to be just that.


 Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered
what from
 this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods? 

You make it sound as if some robot is scanning the list for a bunch of
e-mail addresses and then mass spamming us.  I don't think that's the
case.  These products do not benefit you once your K2 is built so the
time to consider them is at the start.  Gary is part of the list and
will let people know about his product at the appropriate time.

- Keith N1AS -
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- K3 Wave 3 -
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RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Tue 12 Feb 2008 09:50:45 EST DW Holtman (WB7SSSN) wrote ...

Are these really necessary?  Didn't Elecraft make the K2 to where additional

parts are really not necessary?  I have ordered every option that I will
ever want along with a Elecraft Mic, why would I want to pay for UNPCBS?

Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered what from

this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods?  I understand that this

is parts for K2. Maybe this is alright and I'm all wet.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

--

No, unpcbs are not really necessary.  (If they were, then as you point
out, Elecraft would include them with the K2.)  However, they are really
convenient.  As is our rework-free K2 assembly method and our K2 internal
mic adaptor.

Since Elecraft chooses not to include a flier describing our products
with the K2, replying to Reflector posts like yours is the best way for us
to make K2 owners aware of our products before they begin assembly.

FYI, there are many K2 owners who did not have the benefit of learning
about our products until they had already built their K2s.  My off Reflector
emails to you were intended solely to give you the opportunity to choose for
yourself whether to take advantage of our products.

If you visit our Frequently Asked Questions page and the eHam Reviews,
you'll find comments from many delighted users of our products (including
many posts in the Reflector archives).

73,
Gary  KI4GGX
(unpcbs.com webmaster)

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Re: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Mike S

At 09:50 AM 2/12/2008, DW Holtman wrote...
Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered 
what from this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods? I 
understand that this is parts for K2. Maybe this is alright and I'm 
all wet.


If you received spam from a list subscriber who obviously got your 
address from this list, IMHO they should be removed/banned from the 
list. Whether they are a list subscriber or not, you should report them 
to their ISP, they are no doubt in violation of their TOS/AUP. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Dayton 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Larry Phipps

I will also be at Dayton with my K3, demoing my panadapter, booth #517.

73,
Larry N8LP
www.telepostinc.com




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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:54:41 -0500
From: Richard Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2008
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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I realize that this question will irritate a few folks waiting on their K3s.
I will apologize in advance. I was wondering if Elecraft is planning to be
at Dayton Hamvention. I have not been to Dayton this century and was looking
for excuses to go. After all, I think that I am the only Elecrafter left
that has not seen a K3 in person. 

 


Richard Kent WD8AJG K2 5296, K2 5996(almost)
  

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[Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread DW Holtman

Hello,

Are these really necessary? Didn't Elecraft make the K2 to where additional 
parts are really not necessary? I have ordered every option that I will ever 
want along with a Elecraft Mic, why would I want to pay for UNPCBS?


Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered what from 
this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods? I understand that this 
is parts for K2. Maybe this is alright and I'm all wet.


Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

DW Holtman

WB7SSSN

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 if isolation of softrock lite used as panadapter

2008-02-12 Thread Larry Phipps
I have not found that to be the case. I tried a number of MMICs and 
found them lacking in the kind of reverse isolation needed for this job.


I use the same device in my LP-PAN panadapter as K8ZOA uses in his 
Z1 buffer. I am seeing 100dB isolation of the LO signal from my 
panadapter, which uses a mixer that is roughly similar to the SoftRock. 
Since my IF is at 8215 kHz, any LO leakage would be seen at the center 
of the panadapter display. In my case, the leakage signal is below the 
noise floor. With a SoftRock, the leakage signal would appear 23 kHz 
away from the K3 IF.


I wouldn't use a SoftRock without a buffer, and if I did, I would sure 
make sure it was disabled during xmit. For reference, I measured LO 
leakage of a SoftRock on the order of -40dBm, which translates to over 
S9+30dB.


It was also mentioned about filtering the stuff coming out of the K3 IF 
port. In my testing, I have found that additional bandpass filtering 
between the K3 IF and buffer are definitely required to avoid spurious 
mixing products between signals in the K3 BPF passbands and the internal 
signals coming out the essentially unfiltered K3 IF port (mostly LO and 
its harmonics). This is especially the case on 40m where a lot of strong 
signals can appear in the passband. I have found a 4th order bandpass 
filter to be acceptable for this task.


73,
Larry N8LP



Message: 48
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:46:27 -0500
From: Jerry Flanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 if isolation of softrock lite used as
panadapter
To: stephen pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I assume a simple MMIC amp plus a simple resistive attenuator circuit 
will provide enough isolation and also provide for matching levels 
up/down as may be necessary. At least, that will be my first cut at 
the problem unless somebody else comes up with a better plan before 
my K3 arrives.


At down east microwave ( http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/cat-frame.htm ),
see the 
http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5967-6159E.pdfINA10386 
(DC-2GHz, 24dBG, 3.5dB NF +14dbm 1dB Gain compression ) for only $5. 
Very easy to use something like this, I think.


Depending on the signal level of the K3 IF output, we might get 
enough isolation from  a resistive attenuator alone and still have a 
usable signal level on the softrock panadaptor.


I would much prefer a plug and play manufactured solution if it takes 
more than an attenuator, but not an expensive one.


Jerry W4UK
  

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RE: [Elecraft] #309 first issues 2

2008-02-12 Thread Charles Harpole

BCI on 3 antennas and at least 4 bands.
could be stray RF, yes.  TNX  73Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]  From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] #309 first 
issues Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:31:02 +  No keyer problems here ...  
You list enough problem items that I wonder if something isn't wrong with 
somewhere.  Maybe an antenna corrosion-caused diode junction creating 
the BC garbage ... and stray RF causing  a keyer hick-up.  Please keep us 
informed.  73! Ken Kopp - K0PP K3 #56 K2 #5665 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
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RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Darwin, Keith
Don raises a very good point here:
 
 The idea is that the base K2 should be tested before any changes for
options are made.

Doing the rework eliminators departs from this recommendation.  Gary 
crew publish a very complete set of instructions for how to modify your
K2 manual prior to building the K2.  I followed Gary's edits to a T and
my K2, complete with a full set of rework eliminators, went together
just fine.

BUT, if you're a bit lazy and don't do the manual update PRIOR to
building.  If you try to jump between the 2 manuals in real time as you
build, if you screw something up, then you have a modified K2 that isn't
working and that is tougher to debug than a stock K2.


- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -
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RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread Solosko, Robert B (Bob)
Hello DW,

There are a few people who are making things for the K2 that are
not provided by Elecraft that provide additional capabilities and
convenience - these are individuals, like Gary Hvizdak, Don Wilhelm,
Mike Phipps and Jack Smith, who don't sell a lot of their products and
don't make any significant profit from them either. You'll see them post
information about their products to the reflector, and occasionally, as
in Gary's case, send e-mail directly to someone who has just ordered a
K2 and not burden the entire list.

My K2 was built with Gary's UNPCBs, and now includes Don's fixed
audio output board (which he no longer as available but may be picked up
by Tom Hammond, N0SS), and which, among other things, I use to drive
Jack Smith's Z100 tuning indicator.

There are obviously differing opinions about the usefulness of
the UNPCBs. Don Wilhelm, who is a very experienced builder (and an
invaluable resource to all of us - he's helped me solve a number of
problems with my K2), has no problems removing and replacing components
- but some of us do. Even if you've ordered all of the K2 options you're
ever likely to install, you still need to build the basic K2 first and
calibrate and test it before adding the options. That means removing and
replacing components. I built by K2 with the UNPCBs several years ago
and then added options one at a time over the last few years. For me,
adding options were then really just plug-and-play, and I avoided the
dreaded unsoldering and replacing components. The UNPCBs had another
advantage when my K2 developed a problem that required the removal of
several of the options to trace down - all I had to do was plug the
UNPCBs back in, in place of the removed options. Without them, I would
have had to again unsolder, remove and replace some components. Don does
raise a good point with the UNPCBs in that installing the K60XV UNPCB
may cause calibration problems (if I did, I wasn't aware of it and my K2
seemed to work fine). But there appear to be no issues with the
remaining UNPCBs. 

Bob W1SRB

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DW Holtman
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

Hello,

Are these really necessary? Didn't Elecraft make the K2 to where
additional parts are really not necessary? I have ordered every option
that I will ever want along with a Elecraft Mic, why would I want to pay
for UNPCBS?

Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered what
from this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods? I understand
that this is parts for K2. Maybe this is alright and I'm all wet.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

DW Holtman

WB7SSSN

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Re: [Elecraft] Transverter Setup anad ERR PL2

2008-02-12 Thread dj7mgq

Hi Roger


Now I am getting the ERR PL2 message.


I would guess, you might, in the firmware, have turned on the  
secondary receiver, which you won't have, because they are not being  
shipped yet.


*
The following is from page 44 of the Owners Manual:

Option Module Enables

K3 options can be installed at any time, in any order.

Once an option has been installed, use the associated CONFIG menu  
entry to enable it (see list below). Then turn the K3 off and turn it  
back on. This allows the K3 to find and test the module.


? KAT3 ATU module: set KAT3 to BYP.

? KBPF3 general-coverage band-pass filter module: set KBPF3 to NOR (if  
you?re installing a KBPF3 on the sub receiver, tap SUB while in the  
menu entry).


? KXV3 RF I/O module: set KXV3 to NOR.

? KRX3 sub receiver: set KRX3 to NOR-ANTx where x is your selected  
wiring for the sub receiver?s auxiliary antenna (1 = unused KAT3 ATU  
antenna, 2 = AUX RF jack, 3 = AUX RF in parallel with the RX ANT IN  
jack on the KXV3). For details on sub receiver antenna sources, see  
pg. 22. You may also need to set up crystal filters for the sub  
receiver.


? KDVR3 digital voice recorder: set KDVR3 to NOR.

? KPA3 amplifier module: set the PA MODE menu entry to PA NOR. See  
menu entry listings for information on PA and PAIO test settings.

*

I hope this helps,

vy 73 de toby


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[Elecraft] WinLog32 Logger

2008-02-12 Thread Geoff Cottrell G3XGC
I can report that WinLog32 supports the K3 fine (it thinks a K2 is 
connected, but that is no problem!)

73
Geoff
G3XGC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 if isolation of softrock lite used as panadapter

2008-02-12 Thread Dave Martin
The Softrock receiver I received came with a common 32768 crystal,
giving a LO of 8192, far out of the passband of the roofing filter.  I
wonder if that won't help a bit.

Dave  W5DHM
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[Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Volume

2008-02-12 Thread T. David Yarnes


I now have firmware V. 1.66 loaded in my K3.  I notice that 
it still only provides a sidetone volume from 0 to 40, 
whereas it initially would go higher (up to 60), both 
numerically and in actuality.  I commented on this some time 
back, after the firmware was changed and the attainable 
volume was lowered.  I know many feel that it is sufficient 
as currently provided.  When I use headphones, the currently 
offered range is probably sufficient.  Using the internal 
speaker though, I have to run it up near the top.  However, 
I preferred the range as previously provided, particularly 
when you are driving a larger external speaker.  I've tried 
several larger external speakers, and on most of them the 
sidetone is pretty anemic as currently provided.  I know 
several others who feel as I do.  Is this ever going to be 
returned to the original range?   Why was it changed?   Was 
it creating some other problem as originally configured?  If 
not, I think it should be returned to the original 
attainable level.  If you don't need that much, you don't 
have to use it.  But some folks do prefer the higher level 
option.  I'd sure like to see it get on the list for 
updating.


Dave W7AQK


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[Elecraft] K3: CW Sidetone on line out

2008-02-12 Thread Ed K1EP
When recording through the Line Out, I find that the CW sidetone is 
not present.  As far as I know, this was on the list of features to 
be implemented.  But has it been implemented?  The other day, I tried 
recording.  As I looked at the audio waveforms, I noticed that indeed 
the sidetone was present.  But, today, I tried recording again, same 
audio setup, and no sidetone.  The only difference is in settings 
that I may have unknowingly changed on the K3.  Was I imagining the 
first situation and there still is no sidetone available on Line 
Out?  Or is there and I just changed something on the radio?  


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Re: [Elecraft] Logger32 support for Elecraft K2/K3

2008-02-12 Thread G3SJJ
My K3 works very well with the current version (3.8.0) Chris. The K2 I 
had in 2006 worked well also with whatever the version was then. I 
wonder what will be changed?


Chris G3SJJ



Chris Gibson wrote:

For information: the next version 3.9 of Logger32 will include support for
Elecraft K2/K3 radios.
  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 if isolation of softrock lite used as panadapter

2008-02-12 Thread Jack Smith

Jerry:

You might first wish to measure the reverse isolation of a MMIC before 
you make that statement. While they are great devices, isolation is not 
their strong suit.


The Gali74, which I use for a variety of purposes, has an isolation of 
around 28 dB at the K2's IF frequency. The gain is 25 dB, so if you pad 
the output for unity  gain, you are around 53 dB. With a Softrock's 
typical -40 dBm LO leakage, that strikes me a bit on the marginal side. 




Jack K8ZOA



Jerry Flanders wrote:
I assume a simple MMIC amp plus a simple resistive attenuator circuit 
will provide enough isolation and also provide for matching levels 
up/down as may be necessary. At least, that will be my first cut at 
the problem unless somebody else comes up with a better plan before my 
K3 arrives.


At down east microwave ( 
http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/cat-frame.htm ),
see the 
http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5967-6159E.pdfINA10386 
(DC-2GHz, 24dBG, 3.5dB NF +14dbm 1dB Gain compression ) for only $5. 
Very easy to use something like this, I think.


Depending on the signal level of the K3 IF output, we might get enough 
isolation from  a resistive attenuator alone and still have a usable 
signal level on the softrock panadaptor.


I would much prefer a plug and play manufactured solution if it takes 
more than an attenuator, but not an expensive one.


Jerry W4UK


At 07:29 PM 2/11/2008, stephen pearce wrote:

A month or so ago one of the Elecraft engineers pointed out that
if the softrock lite rx is connected directly to the if port on the k3
there was a significant issue with coupling of rf from the softrock
board into the
rx if of the k# with consequent degradation in rx performance ...

Has anyone produced a design for a suitable isolation amplifier/
coupling stage which will
prevent this and still allow the softrock to be used (in conjunction
with a pc) as a panadapter?

Thanks


--
Stephen Pearce
zl1any
Whangarei
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[Elecraft] K2: L17 value (error in manual?)

2008-02-12 Thread Daniel Schlieper
Hi,

L17 is one of the toroids in the 80 low pass filters. It is a T44-2 with 
21 turns (p 70 in the manual). This will have 2.26 uH, at least if 
WA8MCQ is 
right (see 
http://www.retards.org/library/technology/electronics/toroids/toroidcharts_mcq.htm
 
). 

But on page 5 of Appendix A, L17 is listed as 2.50 uH (part no E680012). 
Is that a typo? Or is that correct, and L17 needs 22 turns, which would 
make 2.52 uH?

73 Daniel M0ERA

K3 #4271
--
Daniel, M0ERA, Oxted, Surrey

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Volume

2008-02-12 Thread Greg - AB7R
It is on the list Dave.  But please don't expect every request to show up in 
the very next 
firmware release.  It's just not possible.

The MON level was cut back some for a reason.  Once that issue is sorted out, I 
believe 
Wayne will kick it back up again.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Tue Feb 12  4:31 , T. David Yarnes  sent:


I now have firmware V. 1.66 loaded in my K3.  I notice that 
it still only provides a sidetone volume from 0 to 40, 
whereas it initially would go higher (up to 60), both 
numerically and in actuality.  I commented on this some time 
back, after the firmware was changed and the attainable 
volume was lowered.  I know many feel that it is sufficient 
as currently provided.  When I use headphones, the currently 
offered range is probably sufficient.  Using the internal 
speaker though, I have to run it up near the top.  However, 
I preferred the range as previously provided, particularly 
when you are driving a larger external speaker.  I've tried 
several larger external speakers, and on most of them the 
sidetone is pretty anemic as currently provided.  I know 
several others who feel as I do.  Is this ever going to be 
returned to the original range?   Why was it changed?   Was 
it creating some other problem as originally configured?  If 
not, I think it should be returned to the original 
attainable level.  If you don't need that much, you don't 
have to use it.  But some folks do prefer the higher level 
option.  I'd sure like to see it get on the list for 
updating.

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Volume

2008-02-12 Thread T. David Yarnes

Greg,

Nope!  No problem.  Just wanted to make sure it was on the 
list.  I couldn't remember if there was any indication 
previously that it would be returned to the original level 
(more or less).  I have no clue how involved it is to make 
these changes either, but I wasn't trying to push it for any 
immediate action.  I know there are lots of higher 
priorities.


Thanks for the reply and info.

Dave W7AQK

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David Yarnes' [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Volume


It is on the list Dave.  But please don't expect every 
request to show up in the very next

firmware release.  It's just not possible.

The MON level was cut back some for a reason.  Once that 
issue is sorted out, I believe

Wayne will kick it back up again.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009



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Re: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

2008-02-12 Thread DW Holtman

Hello,

After reading this informative and well thought out letter (see below), I 
have a better understanding on the situation. The people mentioned in the 
letter has been helping the Elecraft community for years, I'm new and should 
not be so skeptical about what is going on until I have a better 
understanding of the situation.


I'm going to order what I need in the way of UNPCBs. It should help adding 
the 100 watt unit etc, after the basic testing has been done with the basic 
K2 unit.


Thank to everyone for all of the inputs.

Best,
DW Holtman
WB7SSN



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From: Solosko, Robert B (Bob) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: DW Holtman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] UNPCBs


Hello DW,

There are a few people who are making things for the K2 that are
not provided by Elecraft that provide additional capabilities and
convenience - these are individuals, like Gary Hvizdak, Don Wilhelm,
Mike Phipps and Jack Smith, who don't sell a lot of their products and
don't make any significant profit from them either. You'll see them post
information about their products to the reflector, and occasionally, as
in Gary's case, send e-mail directly to someone who has just ordered a
K2 and not burden the entire list.

My K2 was built with Gary's UNPCBs, and now includes Don's fixed
audio output board (which he no longer as available but may be picked up
by Tom Hammond, N0SS), and which, among other things, I use to drive
Jack Smith's Z100 tuning indicator.

There are obviously differing opinions about the usefulness of
the UNPCBs. Don Wilhelm, who is a very experienced builder (and an
invaluable resource to all of us - he's helped me solve a number of
problems with my K2), has no problems removing and replacing components
- but some of us do. Even if you've ordered all of the K2 options you're
ever likely to install, you still need to build the basic K2 first and
calibrate and test it before adding the options. That means removing and
replacing components. I built by K2 with the UNPCBs several years ago
and then added options one at a time over the last few years. For me,
adding options were then really just plug-and-play, and I avoided the
dreaded unsoldering and replacing components. The UNPCBs had another
advantage when my K2 developed a problem that required the removal of
several of the options to trace down - all I had to do was plug the
UNPCBs back in, in place of the removed options. Without them, I would
have had to again unsolder, remove and replace some components. Don does
raise a good point with the UNPCBs in that installing the K60XV UNPCB
may cause calibration problems (if I did, I wasn't aware of it and my K2
seemed to work fine). But there appear to be no issues with the
remaining UNPCBs.

Bob W1SRB

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DW Holtman
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] UNPCBs

Hello,

Are these really necessary? Didn't Elecraft make the K2 to where
additional parts are really not necessary? I have ordered every option
that I will ever want along with a Elecraft Mic, why would I want to pay
for UNPCBS?

Should companies be able to mine information such as who ordered what
from this forum and send E-Mails for selling their goods? I understand
that this is parts for K2. Maybe this is alright and I'm all wet.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

DW Holtman

WB7SSSN

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