Re: [Elecraft] New to Elecraft - help with audio settings

[Walter Underwood]

If the K3 manual is anything like the KX3 manual, it has steps for voice setup. 
Set everything to zero, set mic level, then the next step. I did this all wrong 
several times with my KX3, then finally read the manual carefully. Before that, 
it was random twiddling and no joy.

I collected the received wisdom from the Elecraft list and put together a blog 
post. Read the manual, then check this out for TX EQ settings. For the K3, you 
might need the DVR option to do to voice A/B (KDVR3).

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/
 


wunder
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> On Apr 9, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Rob Monsipapa via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just set up my K3, KPA500, KAT500 and P3.  Couldn't get any audio out until 
> I changed the mic setting of the front mic connection to high output and no 
> bias.  CMP settings is 11, MIC gain is 9 and power on the K3 is set at 
> 28watts...  It's now driving the amp up to around 500watts but I get NO 
> readings on the CMP and ALC meters, none.  So I feel like I am missing 
> something.  I'm using the Heil PR781 mic and need to make some EQ settings.  
> 
> If anyone can offer some suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Rob - AK7RM
> 
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[Elecraft] New to Elecraft - help with audio settings

[Rob Monsipapa via Elecraft]

Hello,
I just set up my K3, KPA500, KAT500 and P3.  Couldn't get any audio out until I 
changed the mic setting of the front mic connection to high output and no bias. 
 CMP settings is 11, MIC gain is 9 and power on the K3 is set at 28watts...  
It's now driving the amp up to around 500watts but I get NO readings on the CMP 
and ALC meters, none.  So I feel like I am missing something.  I'm using the 
Heil PR781 mic and need to make some EQ settings.  

If anyone can offer some suggestions I'd appreciate it.

Rob - AK7RM

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[Elecraft] KX3: Trouble downloading new firmware

[len]

I thought I might update the firmware in my KX3 this afternoon.  I'm
currently running 2.38

 

I have my KX3 connected to my computer and running the KX3 utility.  The
communication is working fine with the radio.  When I click on the "Copy New
Files from Elecraft" button I get this:

 

Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com

Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com

Connected to Elecraft server

Please be patient, this takes a few seconds

Connected to Elecraft server

Please be patient, this takes a few seconds

InternetFindNextFile completed with error 0x0006: The handle is invalid.

 

I closed the KX3 Utility and retried, same result.  I've updated the
firmware several times before without issue.  I can get to the web Elecraft
site, as well as the ftp site, so it is not a connectivity issue.
Suggestions?

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Wes Stewart]

On morning (probably about 1980) I was beamed west at setting moon looking for 
Asia on 2M.  I heard a station calling CQ and said to myself, that's Dave's 
(W5UN) frequency.  Sure enough, it was Dave calling CQ.  So I tuned off him and 
heard another station calling CQ.  I listened and was surprised to hear Dave 
again.  I tuned back to the other frequency and Dave was still there, albeit 
with a different delay.  It finally dawned on me I was hearing him off the back 
of the antenna on tropo and off the moon from the front side.  Doppler and the 
time delay made it sound like two different stations.


Wes  N7WS

On 4/9/2017 5:29 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:

Yes, back in the 70's, Yes, I am long in the tooth.  One of my friends up north was just getting on 
the air EME and he had a SUBSTANTIAL station and antenna and started calling, " Hello, 
hello"  and someone answered! he kept it up and then started to listen to the returned signal 
then he said, " I think I am talking to myself".   He recorded it and we all laughed at 
one on the early West Coast VHF conferences.  Those were the days my friends.
Mel, K6KBE



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Wes Stewart]

I worked W5UN on two-way SSB on 2M EME.

A local friend, John, W7BBM, has a homebrew(!) 30 foot dish on 1296, and up, and 
routinely says, "Hello moon" and receives speaker-quality returns.



On 4/9/2017 4:36 PM, Josh wrote:

SSB on EME? Wow!

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device


On Apr 9, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft  
wrote:

You think that delay is something try EME.  At least there you have a decent 
delay to get use to.

Mel, K6KBE


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[Elecraft] NAQCC April Sprint this Tuesday Evening

[Larry W2LJ]

On Tuesday evening, April 11 (4/12 UTC), we will have our landmark 150th 
regular monthly sprint. 
 We want to celebrate this event by giving away a prize worth $150 to one 
member-participant! 
 But there is a catch, we will only have a prize drawing if we get at least 150 
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You don’t have to be an experienced contester or a high speed CW operator to 
participate.  
Just get on the air, make at least 1 sprint QSO, and submit your log, and you 
will be eligible for the prize drawing.  
So mark your calendar and get ready!

EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Wednesday, April 12th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

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There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
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If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
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Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

Yes, back in the 70's, Yes, I am long in the tooth.  One of my friends up north 
was just getting on the air EME and he had a SUBSTANTIAL station and antenna 
and started calling, " Hello, hello"  and someone answered! he kept it up and 
then started to listen to the returned signal then he said, " I think I am 
talking to myself".   He recorded it and we all laughed at one on the early 
West Coast VHF conferences.  Those were the days my friends.
Mel, K6KBE


  From: Edward R Cole 
 To: Mel Farrer ; Elecraft Reflector 
 
 Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 5:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
   
Mel,

Guess you are unaware, but I am on 6m-eme, 2m-eme, and 23cm-eme. The RTLT is 
approx 2.5 seconds.  But voice is rarely used and emestations rarely operate in 
Duplex.  Of course one can receive yourown reflected signal for a short 
duration; that is called receiving yourecho.

73, Ed - KL7UW

At 03:13 PM 4/9/2017, Mel Farrer wrote:

You think that delay issomething try EME.  At least there you have a decent 
delay to getuse to.  

Mel, K6KBE



From: Edward R Cole 
To: Elecraft Reflector  
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

Just supplemental comments to what Joe has written:

Having monitor of speech is certainly important for speaking properly
(or singing).  Note that speech able people who lose their hearing
slowly also loose the ability to talk properly.  If you are hard of
hearing you might talk too loud; happens to me on occasion; its just
your neural feedback loop doing "human ALC", as itwere.

For those who operate voice modes on satellites the time delay 
produced on monitoring your transmission with a full duplex station 
can get madding.  The delay is caused mainly by RTLT (round trip
light time) which is the time delay for the signal to travel round 
trip from the satellite.  For HEO (high Earth orbiting) satellites
the range gets to a point to experience significant delay in your 
voice monitored in the downlink Rx.  On AO-10/13/40 it could be
challenging to talk properly hearing your own voice delayed.  Iwould 
sound like: hello-ello, how-ow, are-re, you-ou.  Say that at anormal 
speaking rate and you will get the idea what it sounded like.

Full duplex operation is quite useful in satellite operating:
1.  Avoid talking on top of another station
2.  Making frequency adjustment for Doppler
3.  Verifying you have an adequate uplink into the system to beheard.

Many learned to compensate (mentally disregarding their own voice - 
which is difficult), or turning down the Monitored audio level when 
transmitting.

Ed - KL7UW

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
Message-ID:<79756624-997c-53c3-e4dc-4da4d2f2f...@subich.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 4/8/2017 5:07 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> At any rate, at a 'normal' (for me) monitor level, it's not
> objectionable (or even really noticable) in my external speaker.The
> only way I could induce audio feedback was to hold the mic rightin
> front of the external speaker with MON set at or nearmaximum.

There we agree ... where the monitor level is set to be usable inthe
headphones, it does not cause a feedback issue even if the speakers
are turned on.  However, if one is using low sensitivityheadphones
with the speakers turned up high *and* high mic gain, one can cause
feedback or echo.  Rather than insisting on a change in the waythe
K3/K3S operates, one would be better served to repair the issues in
his own configuration!

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Edward R Cole]

Mel,

Guess you are unaware, but I am on 6m-eme, 2m-eme, and 23cm-eme.  The 
RTLT is approx 2.5 seconds.  But voice is rarely used and eme 
stations rarely operate in Duplex.  Of course one can receive your 
own reflected signal for a short duration; that is called receiving your echo.


73, Ed - KL7UW

At 03:13 PM 4/9/2017, Mel Farrer wrote:
You think that delay is something try EME.  At least there you have 
a decent delay to get use to.


Mel, K6KBE



From: Edward R Cole 
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

Just supplemental comments to what Joe has written:

Having monitor of speech is certainly important for speaking properly
(or singing).  Note that speech able people who lose their hearing
slowly also loose the ability to talk properly.  If you are hard of
hearing you might talk too loud; happens to me on occasion; its just
your neural feedback loop doing "human ALC", as it were.

For those who operate voice modes on satellites the time delay
produced on monitoring your transmission with a full duplex station
can get madding.  The delay is caused mainly by RTLT (round trip
light time) which is the time delay for the signal to travel round
trip from the satellite.  For HEO (high Earth orbiting) satellites
the range gets to a point to experience significant delay in your
voice monitored in the downlink Rx.  On AO-10/13/40 it could be
challenging to talk properly hearing your own voice delayed.  I would
sound like: hello-ello, how-ow, are-re, you-ou.  Say that at a normal
speaking rate and you will get the idea what it sounded like.

Full duplex operation is quite useful in satellite operating:
1.  Avoid talking on top of another station
2.  Making frequency adjustment for Doppler
3.  Verifying you have an adequate uplink into the system to be heard.

Many learned to compensate (mentally disregarding their own voice -
which is difficult), or turning down the Monitored audio level when
transmitting.

Ed - KL7UW

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
Message-ID: 
<79756624-997c-53c3-e4dc-4da4d2f2f...@subich.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 4/8/2017 5:07 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> At any rate, at a 'normal' (for me) monitor level, it's not
> objectionable (or even really noticable) in my external speaker. The
> only way I could induce audio feedback was to hold the mic right in
> front of the external speaker with MON set at or near maximum.

There we agree ... where the monitor level is set to be usable in the
headphones, it does not cause a feedback issue even if the speakers
are turned on.  However, if one is using low sensitivity headphones
with the speakers turned up high *and* high mic gain, one can cause
feedback or echo.  Rather than insisting on a change in the way the
K3/K3S operates, one would be better served to repair the issues in
his own configuration!

73,

... Joe, W4TV


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[John Dolan]

Also, Check to see that you are not on COARSE tuning.  In SSB mode, you can
easily be off frequency when the COARSE setting is chosen.  I have
experienced this recently and when I turned off coarse, I was able to tune
the rig onto frequency.   It seems that COARSE  had me in the "ball park"
but not quite on the correct frequency. The more I am using my k3S, the
more I am finding out about these things.

73, John WB4YAL

*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  *

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> For all those having some similar occurrance - first make sure RIT and XIT
> are turned off.  The yellow LED in the lower left corner of the K3 should
> be off for both transmit and receive.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,
>> and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm
>> using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is
>> listed as
>> being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Mike va3mw]

Watch this

https://youtu.be/_SWRlTUG5RM

You will be able to quickly tell. 

Va3mw

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Ian White  wrote:
> 
> K3KO wrote:
> 
>> With the standard synthesizers, as one tunes up the band the true
>> frequency deviates from the displayed by up to +/-4 Hz.  There are
> times
>> when one tunes up and the RX actually goes to a lower frequency.  Same
>> problem when tuning downwards. In other words, there is electronic
>> "backlash".  One has no way of knowing which point of this sawtooth
>> error curve you are when choosing to calibrate to WWV.  This is
>> essentially fixed with the new synthesizers.
> 
> Back in the day, Elecraft informed us about that cyclical error problem
> with the old synthesizer. It would now be good to have a definitive
> statement about the frequency setting accuracy in the new synthesizer. 
> 
> The same applies to the TCXO error correction by the KREF3 module. Since
> corrections are applied by rewriting the declared value of the 48MHz
> reference frequency, presumably this can still only be changed in 1Hz
> increments.
> 
> A related question (raised by Don's post, just in) is the magnitude of
> any difference between the displayed sidetone pitch and the actual value
> within the synthesizer? 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> brian
>> Sent: 09 April 2017 18:33
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> 'Elecraft Reflector'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency
>> 
>> All true.  Note that the standard oscillator takes two hours to stop
>> drifting instead of four.  Also the TCXO isn't.  There is no
> temperature
>> feedback implemented.  One is essentially seeing the stability of the
>> native oscillator.  Too bad feedback isn't implemented, I'd bet a lot
> of
>> drift noted would disappear.
>> 
>> Not discussed is the "last digit" syndrome.  Only believe the last
> digit
>> displayed if you can check that it is accurate.
>> 
>> 
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/9/2017 16:16 PM, Mike Harris wrote:
>>> Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting.
>>> 
>>> My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is
>>> well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it
> either
>>> works or it don't situation.
>>> 
>>> With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer.
>>> 
>>> Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused,
> one
>>> doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that
> doesn't
>>> mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various
>>> digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all
> on
>>> the same frequency.
>>> 
>>> As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting
>>> calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly
> tune
>>> or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever
> is
>>> involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency
> really
>>> is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my
>>> understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine
>> years
>>> and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and
> have
>>> often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This
>>> unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story.
>>> 
>>> Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high
>>> stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to
>>> achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have
> a
>>> frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need
> one
>>> as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external
> reference
>>> frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS
>>> disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive
> for
>>> the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I
>>> discovered follows.
>>> 
>>> With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling
> the
>>> external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be
>>> displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be
> seen
>>> to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx
> 26Hz+/- a
>>> couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts
> a
>>> further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it
> tops
>>> out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting.
>>> 
>>> However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL
> frequency
>>> every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel
> (FP)
>>> temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period
>>> increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the
> drift
>>> follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected.
>>> 
>>> I 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Josh]

SSB on EME? Wow!

73,
Josh W6XU

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> On Apr 9, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> You think that delay is something try EME.  At least there you have a decent 
> delay to get use to.  
> 
> Mel, K6KBE
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

Mel,

The answer depends on whether or not you define "zero beat" correctly - 
which is to tune in the signal to the same pitch as your SPOT tone.


In other words, your statement "match my K3 frequency to his" is not 
sufficiently informative.  It all depends on how you match his 
frequency.  What the dial says on his transceiver is not relevant, the 
only thing important is what you are hearing.


Would it not be better (and easier) for you to change the PITCH of your 
SPOT tone to the pitch you like to hear?
That means there is no need to use RIT most of the time - if you tune 
the incoming signal to that same tone, you will be on the same 
frequency.  The K3 then uses that pitch as the center of the filter 
passband (unless SHIFT is set somewhere other than default) and is the 
pitch used for zero beating.


The normal use of RIT is when you have called CQ and a station comes 
back to you not exactly on your transmit frequency - RIT can then be 
used to tune that station in and not create a situation where the QSO 
"walks up the band" with each transmission - your TX frequency stays put 
and the other station's TX frequency also stays put.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 7:04 PM, Mel Farrer wrote:
Good question Don,  Check out on this.  If the sending station is 
tuned in to a zero beat that is I match my K3 frequency to his, then 
turn on the RIT to get a pitch I like. Doesn't that make my Tx signal 
the same as his?




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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

You think that delay is something try EME.  At least there you have a decent 
delay to get use to.  

Mel, K6KBE


  From: Edward R Cole 
 To: Elecraft Reflector  
 Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
   
Just supplemental comments to what Joe has written:

Having monitor of speech is certainly important for speaking properly 
(or singing).  Note that speech able people who lose their hearing 
slowly also loose the ability to talk properly.  If you are hard of 
hearing you might talk too loud; happens to me on occasion; its just 
your neural feedback loop doing "human ALC", as it were.

For those who operate voice modes on satellites the time delay 
produced on monitoring your transmission with a full duplex station 
can get madding.  The delay is caused mainly by RTLT (round trip 
light time) which is the time delay for the signal to travel round 
trip from the satellite.  For HEO (high Earth orbiting) satellites 
the range gets to a point to experience significant delay in your 
voice monitored in the downlink Rx.  On AO-10/13/40 it could be 
challenging to talk properly hearing your own voice delayed.  I would 
sound like: hello-ello, how-ow, are-re, you-ou.  Say that at a normal 
speaking rate and you will get the idea what it sounded like.

Full duplex operation is quite useful in satellite operating:
1.  Avoid talking on top of another station
2.  Making frequency adjustment for Doppler
3.  Verifying you have an adequate uplink into the system to be heard.

Many learned to compensate (mentally disregarding their own voice - 
which is difficult), or turning down the Monitored audio level when 
transmitting.

Ed - KL7UW

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 4/8/2017 5:07 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
 > At any rate, at a 'normal' (for me) monitor level, it's not
 > objectionable (or even really noticable) in my external speaker. The
 > only way I could induce audio feedback was to hold the mic right in
 > front of the external speaker with MON set at or near maximum.

There we agree ... where the monitor level is set to be usable in the
headphones, it does not cause a feedback issue even if the speakers
are turned on.  However, if one is using low sensitivity headphones
with the speakers turned up high *and* high mic gain, one can cause
feedback or echo.  Rather than insisting on a change in the way the
K3/K3S operates, one would be better served to repair the issues in
his own configuration!

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

Good question Don,  Check out on this.  If the sending station is tuned in to a 
zero beat that is I match my K3 frequency to his, then turn on the RIT to get a 
pitch I like. Doesn't that make my Tx signal the same as his?
Mel, K6KBE


  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: Mel Farrer ; "r...@aol.com" ; 
"elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency
   
Mel and all,

If you are talking about CW, then using RIT is a sure way to get the 
actual received frequency different than the transmitted frequency.  In 
fact, that is one easy way to define RIT.
During RX, the K3 will show the actual frequency (at your chosen 
sidetone pitch) that you are listening to.
But if you have RIT or XIT turned on, the transmit frequency will be 
different than the receive frequency.

Hopefully your perception of "zerobeat" means that you have tuned the 
signal until the tone is equal to your sidetone pitch (SPOT) and not an 
attempt to tune to zero frequency (which is incorrect and will produce 
'strange' frequency readings).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 6:14 PM, Mel Farrer wrote:
> I dial in the frequency, zerobeat, I want and use the pitch or RIT to 
> get the "sound" I want.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>
> 
> *From:* Don Wilhelm 
> *To:* r...@aol.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency
>
> Dick,
>
> Another thing to check (and I assume CW operation) - make sure you are
> listening at the same pitch as you have set in the sidetone pitch.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
> > I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and 
> alignment,
> > and a K3S that was factory made and aligned. Regardless which  one I'm
> > using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency 
> is listed as
> > being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
> > This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off 
> frequency.
> > Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[Edward R Cole]

Just supplemental comments to what Joe has written:

Having monitor of speech is certainly important for speaking properly 
(or singing).  Note that speech able people who lose their hearing 
slowly also loose the ability to talk properly.  If you are hard of 
hearing you might talk too loud; happens to me on occasion; its just 
your neural feedback loop doing "human ALC", as it were.


For those who operate voice modes on satellites the time delay 
produced on monitoring your transmission with a full duplex station 
can get madding.  The delay is caused mainly by RTLT (round trip 
light time) which is the time delay for the signal to travel round 
trip from the satellite.  For HEO (high Earth orbiting) satellites 
the range gets to a point to experience significant delay in your 
voice monitored in the downlink Rx.  On AO-10/13/40 it could be 
challenging to talk properly hearing your own voice delayed.  I would 
sound like: hello-ello, how-ow, are-re, you-ou.  Say that at a normal 
speaking rate and you will get the idea what it sounded like.


Full duplex operation is quite useful in satellite operating:
1.  Avoid talking on top of another station
2.  Making frequency adjustment for Doppler
3.  Verifying you have an adequate uplink into the system to be heard.

Many learned to compensate (mentally disregarding their own voice - 
which is difficult), or turning down the Monitored audio level when 
transmitting.


Ed - KL7UW

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request
Message-ID: <79756624-997c-53c3-e4dc-4da4d2f2f...@subich.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 4/8/2017 5:07 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> At any rate, at a 'normal' (for me) monitor level, it's not
> objectionable (or even really noticable) in my external speaker. The
> only way I could induce audio feedback was to hold the mic right in
> front of the external speaker with MON set at or near maximum.

There we agree ... where the monitor level is set to be usable in the
headphones, it does not cause a feedback issue even if the speakers
are turned on.  However, if one is using low sensitivity headphones
with the speakers turned up high *and* high mic gain, one can cause
feedback or echo.  Rather than insisting on a change in the way the
K3/K3S operates, one would be better served to repair the issues in
his own configuration!

73,

... Joe, W4TV


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

Mel and all,

If you are talking about CW, then using RIT is a sure way to get the 
actual received frequency different than the transmitted frequency.  In 
fact, that is one easy way to define RIT.
During RX, the K3 will show the actual frequency (at your chosen 
sidetone pitch) that you are listening to.
But if you have RIT or XIT turned on, the transmit frequency will be 
different than the receive frequency.


Hopefully your perception of "zerobeat" means that you have tuned the 
signal until the tone is equal to your sidetone pitch (SPOT) and not an 
attempt to tune to zero frequency (which is incorrect and will produce 
'strange' frequency readings).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 6:14 PM, Mel Farrer wrote:
I dial in the frequency, zerobeat, I want and use the pitch or RIT to 
get the "sound" I want.


Mel, K6KBE



*From:* Don Wilhelm 
*To:* r...@aol.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
*Sent:* Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

Dick,

Another thing to check (and I assume CW operation) - make sure you are
listening at the same pitch as you have set in the sidetone pitch.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
> I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and 
alignment,

> and a K3S that was factory made and aligned. Regardless which  one I'm
> using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency 
is listed as

> being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
> This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off 
frequency.

> Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

I dial in the frequency, zerobeat, I want and use the pitch or RIT to get the 
"sound" I want.
Mel, K6KBE


  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: r...@aol.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency
   
Dick,

Another thing to check (and I assume CW operation) - make sure you are 
listening at the same pitch as you have set in the sidetone pitch.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
> I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,
> and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm
> using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is listed 
> as
> being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
> This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off frequency.
> Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Ian White]

K3KO wrote:

>With the standard synthesizers, as one tunes up the band the true
>frequency deviates from the displayed by up to +/-4 Hz.  There are
times
>when one tunes up and the RX actually goes to a lower frequency.  Same
>problem when tuning downwards. In other words, there is electronic
>"backlash".  One has no way of knowing which point of this sawtooth
>error curve you are when choosing to calibrate to WWV.  This is
>essentially fixed with the new synthesizers.

Back in the day, Elecraft informed us about that cyclical error problem
with the old synthesizer. It would now be good to have a definitive
statement about the frequency setting accuracy in the new synthesizer. 

The same applies to the TCXO error correction by the KREF3 module. Since
corrections are applied by rewriting the declared value of the 48MHz
reference frequency, presumably this can still only be changed in 1Hz
increments.

A related question (raised by Don's post, just in) is the magnitude of
any difference between the displayed sidetone pitch and the actual value
within the synthesizer? 

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-Original Message-
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>brian
>Sent: 09 April 2017 18:33
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> 'Elecraft Reflector'
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency
>
>All true.  Note that the standard oscillator takes two hours to stop
>drifting instead of four.  Also the TCXO isn't.  There is no
temperature
>feedback implemented.  One is essentially seeing the stability of the
>native oscillator.  Too bad feedback isn't implemented, I'd bet a lot
of
>drift noted would disappear.
>
>Not discussed is the "last digit" syndrome.  Only believe the last
digit
>displayed if you can check that it is accurate.
>
>
>73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
>On 4/9/2017 16:16 PM, Mike Harris wrote:
>> Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting.
>>
>> My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is
>> well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it
either
>> works or it don't situation.
>>
>> With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer.
>>
>> Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused,
one
>> doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that
doesn't
>> mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various
>> digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all
on
>> the same frequency.
>>
>> As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting
>> calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly
tune
>> or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever
is
>> involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency
really
>> is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my
>> understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine
>years
>> and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and
have
>> often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This
>> unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story.
>>
>> Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high
>> stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to
>> achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have
a
>> frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need
one
>> as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external
reference
>> frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS
>> disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive
for
>> the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I
>> discovered follows.
>>
>> With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling
the
>> external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be
>> displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be
seen
>> to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx
26Hz+/- a
>> couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts
a
>> further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it
tops
>> out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting.
>>
>> However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL
frequency
>> every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel
(FP)
>> temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period
>> increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the
drift
>> follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected.
>>
>> I have monitored the REF CAL frequency for a couple of months now and
>> note that the TXCO drift on my unit always maxes out at more or less
the
>> same reading.
>>
>> I have reached the conclusion that if at least two hours of warm up
are
>> allowed and a WWV cal operation is then performed you will be in a
>> pretty good place with respect to total drift 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

For all those having some similar occurrance - first make sure RIT and 
XIT are turned off.  The yellow LED in the lower left corner of the K3 
should be off for both transmit and receive.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:

I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,
and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm
using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is listed as
being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

Dick,

Another thing to check (and I assume CW operation) - make sure you are 
listening at the same pitch as you have set in the sidetone pitch.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:

I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,
and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm
using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is listed as
being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off frequency.
Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

Dick,

It is easy to check your K3 or K3S (or any other radio).  I suggest you 
do so before concluding that your radio is off frequency.


Tune to WWV at the highest frequency you can receive in CW mode and zero 
beat the carrier - you can use CWT if you are not good at zero-beating.
Make sure you are zero-beating the carrier and not one of the 
transmitted tones.  The tones come and go minute by minute, but the 
carrier is always present.


Stations that cannot receive WWV can use of of the other standard 
stations around the world.


If your K3 is off frequency, do the Reference Oscillator calibration and 
check again.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 5:42 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:

I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,
and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm
using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is listed as
being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.
This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off frequency.
Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?

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[Elecraft] K3S SSB TX monitor - feature request

[john]

This depends on the monitor level and sensitive and proximity of the
microphone. While I do not typically use a speaker I am sure that I have
experienced monitor feedback with the K3S. All of my previous transceivers
had a monitor switch which made it easy to toggle off.

John KK9A


From: Joe Subich, W4TV 
Sat Apr 8 22:36:39 EDT 2017

There we agree ... where the monitor level is set to be usable in the
headphones, it does not cause a feedback issue even if the speakers
are turned on.  However, if one is using low sensitivity headphones
with the speakers turned up high *and* high mic gain, one can cause
feedback or echo.  Rather than insisting on a change in the way the
K3/K3S operates, one would be better served to repair the issues in
his own configuration!

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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[Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Dick via Elecraft]

I have a K3 kit that's been back to the factory for repair and alignment,  
and a K3S that was factory made and aligned.  Regardless which  one I'm 
using, most of the time when I get "spotted" by RBN, my  frequency is listed as 
being 100hz higher than listed on the  K3's front panel digital readout.  
This has often made me wonder if  both of my K3's are slightly off frequency.  
Could it be that  many/most K3's are "slightly off frequency"?
 
73,
Dick- K9OM
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/9/2017 1:08:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes:

A few of  us in Fremont, CA have a weekly 10 meter net. I have a friend 
with a K3 who  always sounds off frequency. When I use my K3, I've been told 
that I am off  frequency. There are a couple of KX3 users who don't seem to 
have a problem.  When I use my Kenwood TS-590 I seem to be on frequency.
Is the K3 known, in  general, for being slightly off frequency??
Thanks, Steve  ?KG6HJU

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[Elecraft] OT: FS Raspberry Zero W and accessories

[Mike Markowski]

I bought a Raspberry Pi Zero W a few days ago for a project and then 
realized I need a Raspberry Pi 3.  I can return the purchase but since 
the Zero W's are tough to find and often out of stock, thought I'd offer 
up the set here if any are interested.  I'm selling as a set for exactly 
the price I paid.  I bought them last week and they have not been 
removed from bags/boxes.  Luckily I read more on the project before 
doing that.  If only I read that much -before- purchasing!  :-)


Raspberry Pi Zero W: $10.60
Mini-HDMI / HDMI cable [QVS]: $26.49
USB 3.0 hub + SD card reader + OTG adapter [inland iH3048A]: $15.80
USPS Priority Shipping: $7.15

You pay: $60.00

Thanks!
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Re: [Elecraft] New KX2 firmware with 4 programmable functions; need testers

[Irma & Linas(LY2H)]

Good news and thanks!
Looking fwd for this great improvement to be download-redy for the rest of
us.
I am a new (up to 2 months) KX2 user so the first things I found myself
missing is more Pfn buttons, at least 2. Now there going to be 4 of them!
So my first set would be PF1 =VOX, PF2= XIT, PF3=BKLIGHT, PF4=PS. Using the
radio car mobile a lot I already use the existing Pfn for the VOX in CW
mode, and the XIT is the second mostly needed. I will finaly decide on the
last two after some more time of variety usage.
73 Linas LY2H

On 2017 bal. 9, sk at 21:20 Chuck Guenther  wrote:

> Beta firmware v. 2.75 works very nicely, Wayne.  Thanks for this!
>
> My choices for Pfn are:
> PF1 = SUB on/off
> PF2 = RF Gain
> PF3 = AGC THR
> PF4 = Amp Hrs
>
> 73,  Chuck Guenther  NI0C
>
>
> Quote from Monday, April 3:
>
> "Hi all,
>
> The latest KX2 field-test firmware provides four programmable functions,
> PF1-PF4, accessed using the PFn switch. This feature was inspired by both
> the original KX2 field testers and responses to our recent question about
> additions to the KX line.
>
> Having four programmable functions rather than one really helps. The KX2
> has fewer switches than the KX3, making it a bit more dependent on the menu
> for often-used functions.
>
> If you’d like to give this new release a try, let me know. (Which menu
> entries would you assign to PF1 through PF4?)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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[Elecraft] FS - KX3 Complete Base Station

[Jon Moody]

Greetings fellow Elecrafters,

I have the following available for Sale.  These are all factory assembled ,
 rarely used, in a non smoking environment,  all original Elecraft boxes,
packaging, original printed manuals included.  Shipping only in the CONUS
and either cash or Paypal only.  Does NOT include optional Filter,  Paddle
or 2 Meter board.  Includes multiple  windcamp side protection panels for
KX3 and PX3 as well as the front covers.  Also includes set of Eneloop
batteries.  Shipping cost and insurance is extra and will depend on where
you live and how fast you want it.  Would prefer to sell as a package.

Elecraft Product  Current Cost
KX3-F1049.95 Serial number 84xx
MH3 Mic59.95
KXAT3 199.95 Internal KX3 Antenna Tuner
KXBC3  79.95 Internal Battery and Clock
XG50 39.95External signal source
KX3-KXPA100 Cables   49.95   KX3 to KXPA100 connection cables
PX3-F   599.95   Panadapter
KXPA100-F  799.95   100 Watt PA
KXAT100  379.95   Internal 100 watt Antenna Tuner
KXPACBL   49.95   Cables for connecting everything

Total Current Cost   3309.50

Asking 2600 (paypal or cash)  + shipping + insurance to CONUS address.
Please email me privately at jmood...@gmai.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

[Charles Plunk]

Sorry for the late replay. My bride had quadruple bypass on 3/20. I 
don't know if this would be considered an accessory, but really would 
like to see the clock/date be able to retain memory so would not have to 
set it every time. KX2 really is a great radio though, just about 
everything I thought it would be and more.


Staying with her during her recovery when not working but looking 
forward to her full recovery and my qrp KX2 outings to resume ;-). I 
hope she will be going with me more often to get out and do hikes/walks. 
I like the KX2 so well that if I can ever get the power co. to fix the 
line noise near the house, may very well get a 2nd KX2 for the house.


73

Chuck

AF4O


On 03/29/2017 08:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

The weather's been great in the Bay Area lately. That always makes us want to 
escape the lab for microDXpeditions to local parks, trails, beaches, and 
summits. This is what the KX-line is all about.

Here's your chance to get us back into the lab :)  What future accessories, 
antennas, etc. would you like to see for the KX-line?

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] ICOM Remote Antenna Tuner

[AE7AP]

I have an AH-4 that I have been considering interfacing with my K3s.  This
website has lots of good information regarding the signalling to/from it:

https://www.hamoperator.com/Hamoperator/AH-4_General_Information.html

I have used my AH-4 pretty hard for 8-years (with an IC-7000).  It seems to
tune practically anything & never misses a beat - I really like it.

73,
Rob - AE7AP





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[Elecraft] New KX2 firmware with 4 programmable functions; need testers

[Chuck Guenther]

Beta firmware v. 2.75 works very nicely, Wayne.  Thanks for this!

My choices for Pfn are:
PF1 = SUB on/off
PF2 = RF Gain
PF3 = AGC THR
PF4 = Amp Hrs

73,  Chuck Guenther  NI0C


Quote from Monday, April 3:

"Hi all,

The latest KX2 field-test firmware provides four programmable functions, 
PF1-PF4, accessed using the PFn switch. This feature was inspired by both the 
original KX2 field testers and responses to our recent question about additions 
to the KX line.

Having four programmable functions rather than one really helps. The KX2 has 
fewer switches than the KX3, making it a bit more dependent on the menu for 
often-used functions.

If you’d like to give this new release a try, let me know. (Which menu entries 
would you assign to PF1 through PF4?)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[brian]

All true.  Note that the standard oscillator takes two hours to stop 
drifting instead of four.  Also the TCXO isn't.  There is no temperature 
feedback implemented.  One is essentially seeing the stability of the 
native oscillator.  Too bad feedback isn't implemented, I'd bet a lot of 
drift noted would disappear.


Not discussed is the "last digit" syndrome.  Only believe the last digit 
displayed if you can check that it is accurate.


With the standard synthesizers, as one tunes up the band the true 
frequency deviates from the displayed by up to +/-4 Hz.  There are times 
when one tunes up and the RX actually goes to a lower frequency.  Same 
problem when tuning downwards. In other words, there is electronic 
"backlash".  One has no way of knowing which point of this sawtooth 
error curve you are when choosing to calibrate to WWV.  This is 
essentially fixed with the new synthesizers.


73 de Brian/K3KO


On 4/9/2017 16:16 PM, Mike Harris wrote:

Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting.

My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is
well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it either
works or it don't situation.

With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer.

Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused, one
doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that doesn't
mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various
digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all on
the same frequency.

As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting
calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly tune
or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever is
involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency really
is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my
understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine years
and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and have
often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This
unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story.

Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high
stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to
achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have a
frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need one
as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external reference
frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS
disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive for
the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I
discovered follows.

With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling the
external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be
displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be seen
to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx 26Hz+/- a
couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts a
further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it tops
out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting.

However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL frequency
every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel (FP)
temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period
increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the drift
follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected.

I have monitored the REF CAL frequency for a couple of months now and
note that the TXCO drift on my unit always maxes out at more or less the
same reading.

I have reached the conclusion that if at least two hours of warm up are
allowed and a WWV cal operation is then performed you will be in a
pretty good place with respect to total drift and subsequent overall
frequency (dial) accuracy.

It is easy to discover the pattern and extent of the drift of the TXCO
in your K3 without any external measuring equipment, external ref locks
or such.

1. From cold tune to a WWV frequency you will be able to receive
reliably for a few hours. Higher the better.
2. Wait 5 minutes or you will be chasing a moving target.
3. Perform a REF CAL and note the reading.
4. Perform a REF CAL every half hour, less if you feel like it and note
the readings.
5. Eventually the reading will really slow down and more or less stop
changing.
6. Choose a reading that indicates that the bulk of the drift has
happened, (1-2 hours)
7. Set REF CAL to that reading and sleep well. Good enough for HF.

Given the highest and lowest frequency readings a further experiment can
be performed to discover the consequences of the TXCO drift on dial
accuracy. It only takes a few minutes.

1. Set REF CALL to the lowest recorded frequency and tune the K3 to a
stable test frequency, I used my XG3, note the "dial" 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Bill Johnson]

Yes!  Tnx.

Have a great day!
Bill
K9YEQ



From: Elecraft  on behalf of teodoro martinez 
via Elecraft 
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 11:41:08 AM
To: Mike; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

If I understand correctly, your near Fremont CA.  I had a two week turn around 
in Watsonville for Calibration. The charge was about $100. I drove it there. 
Saved the postage charges. Don't forget to call  to obtain authorization for 
the return. It's also a good time to get hardware updates. Ted wp4cw.

On Apr 9, 2017 9:16 AM, Mike Harris  wrote:
>
> Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting.
>
> My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is
> well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it either
> works or it don't situation.
>
> With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer.
>
> Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused, one
> doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that doesn't
> mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various
> digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all on
> the same frequency.
>
> As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting
> calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly tune
> or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever is
> involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency really
> is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my
> understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine years
> and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and have
> often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This
> unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story.
>
> Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high
> stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to
> achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have a
> frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need one
> as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external reference
> frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS
> disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive for
> the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I
> discovered follows.
>
> With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling the
> external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be
> displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be seen
> to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx 26Hz+/- a
> couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts a
> further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it tops
> out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting.
>
> However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL frequency
> every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel (FP)
> temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period
> increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the drift
> follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected.
>
> I have monitored the REF CAL frequency for a couple of months now and
> note that the TXCO drift on my unit always maxes out at more or less the
> same reading.
>
> I have reached the conclusion that if at least two hours of warm up are
> allowed and a WWV cal operation is then performed you will be in a
> pretty good place with respect to total drift and subsequent overall
> frequency (dial) accuracy.
>
> It is easy to discover the pattern and extent of the drift of the TXCO
> in your K3 without any external measuring equipment, external ref locks
> or such.
>
> 1. From cold tune to a WWV frequency you will be able to receive
> reliably for a few hours. Higher the better.
> 2. Wait 5 minutes or you will be chasing a moving target.
> 3. Perform a REF CAL and note the reading.
> 4. Perform a REF CAL every half hour, less if you feel like it and note
> the readings.
> 5. Eventually the reading will really slow down and more or less stop
> changing.
> 6. Choose a reading that indicates that the bulk of the drift has
> happened, (1-2 hours)
> 7. Set REF CAL to that reading and sleep well. Good enough for HF.
>
> Given the highest and lowest frequency readings a further experiment can
> be performed to discover the consequences of the TXCO drift on dial
> accuracy. It only takes a few minutes.
>
> 1. Set REF CALL to the lowest recorded frequency and tune the K3 to a
> stable test frequency, I used my XG3, note the "dial" reading in fine
> frequency display, 3 digits after the decimal point. I used the CW auto
> spot feature to do the final tune.
> 2. Set REF 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[teodoro martinez via Elecraft]

If I understand correctly, your near Fremont CA.  I had a two week turn around 
in Watsonville for Calibration. The charge was about $100. I drove it there. 
Saved the postage charges. Don't forget to call  to obtain authorization for 
the return. It's also a good time to get hardware updates. Ted wp4cw.

On Apr 9, 2017 9:16 AM, Mike Harris  wrote:
>
> Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting. 
>
> My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is 
> well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it either 
> works or it don't situation. 
>
> With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer. 
>
> Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused, one 
> doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that doesn't 
> mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various 
> digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all on 
> the same frequency. 
>
> As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting 
> calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly tune 
> or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever is 
> involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency really 
> is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my 
> understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine years 
> and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and have 
> often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This 
> unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story. 
>
> Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high 
> stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to 
> achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have a 
> frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need one 
> as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external reference 
> frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS 
> disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive for 
> the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I 
> discovered follows. 
>
> With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling the 
> external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be 
> displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be seen 
> to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx 26Hz+/- a 
> couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts a 
> further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it tops 
> out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting. 
>
> However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL frequency 
> every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel (FP) 
> temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period 
> increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the drift 
> follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected. 
>
> I have monitored the REF CAL frequency for a couple of months now and 
> note that the TXCO drift on my unit always maxes out at more or less the 
> same reading. 
>
> I have reached the conclusion that if at least two hours of warm up are 
> allowed and a WWV cal operation is then performed you will be in a 
> pretty good place with respect to total drift and subsequent overall 
> frequency (dial) accuracy. 
>
> It is easy to discover the pattern and extent of the drift of the TXCO 
> in your K3 without any external measuring equipment, external ref locks 
> or such. 
>
> 1. From cold tune to a WWV frequency you will be able to receive 
> reliably for a few hours. Higher the better. 
> 2. Wait 5 minutes or you will be chasing a moving target. 
> 3. Perform a REF CAL and note the reading. 
> 4. Perform a REF CAL every half hour, less if you feel like it and note 
> the readings. 
> 5. Eventually the reading will really slow down and more or less stop 
> changing. 
> 6. Choose a reading that indicates that the bulk of the drift has 
> happened, (1-2 hours) 
> 7. Set REF CAL to that reading and sleep well. Good enough for HF. 
>
> Given the highest and lowest frequency readings a further experiment can 
> be performed to discover the consequences of the TXCO drift on dial 
> accuracy. It only takes a few minutes. 
>
> 1. Set REF CALL to the lowest recorded frequency and tune the K3 to a 
> stable test frequency, I used my XG3, note the "dial" reading in fine 
> frequency display, 3 digits after the decimal point. I used the CW auto 
> spot feature to do the final tune. 
> 2. Set REF CAL to the highest recorded frequency and retune the K3 as 
> above noting the "dial" frequency. 
>
> The lowest to highest REF CAL frequency is the total TXCO drift in Hz. 
> The lowest to highest "dial" frequency will indicate the 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Mike Harris]

Immediate apologies, this is a tad long but hopefully interesting.

My K3 has the new synths (2), K144XV with REF Lock option and all is 
well without doing the KREF3 modification. I guess this is an it either 
works or it don't situation.


With respect to the post about off frequency, not a simple answer.

Firstly accuracy and resolution or precision are not to be confused, one 
doesn't imply the other. The K3 display may read to 1Hz but that doesn't 
mean it is accurate to 1Hz. If folks in a net all set their various 
digital displays to the same frequency it doesn't mean they are all on 
the same frequency.


As has been mentioned there is a perfectly good method of adjusting 
calibration detailed in the handbook using WWV. It doesn't directly tune 
or otherwise adjust the reference oscillator (TCXO) but lets whatever is 
involved with controlling the synths what the reference frequency really 
is so that the error can compensated for mathematically. That is my 
understanding. I have been using this WWV method for the past nine years 
and was convinced that the TXCO was probably drifting with age and have 
often said that the CONFIG: REF CAL is not a one off adjustment. This 
unfortunately turns out not to be the whole story.


Now it has to be said, the TXCO does drift, shock, horror. The high 
stability option is described as being +/-1ppm but actually seems to 
achieve 0.5ppm, at least mine does. How do I know this? I don't have a 
frequency counter, or at least I didn't and in fact you don't need one 
as will be discovered later. What I do have is the K3 external reference 
frequency lock option fitted and recently purchased a Leo Bodnar GPS 
disciplined reference clock which provides the necessary 10MHz drive for 
the ext ref option. With a new toy you have go to play and what I 
discovered follows.


With the GPS source up and running, turning on the K3 and enabling the 
external ref feature the REF CAL measured TXCO frequency will be 
displayed, counted by the ref lock module. This frequency will be seen 
to change with warm up. My TXCO has a positive drift of approx 26Hz+/- a 
couple in the first three minutes, for the next 30 minutes it drifts a 
further 6Hz. Thereafter it slowly drifts until after four hours it tops 
out at +57Hz or so and by this measurement method stops drifting.


However, there is more. At the same time as noting the REF CAL frequency 
every minute, for the first hour, I also recorded the front panel (FP) 
temperature. This started at 23C and over the measurement period 
increased to 38C. It was observed that the rise in FP temp and the drift 
follow a similar trajectory. As would be expected.


I have monitored the REF CAL frequency for a couple of months now and 
note that the TXCO drift on my unit always maxes out at more or less the 
same reading.


I have reached the conclusion that if at least two hours of warm up are 
allowed and a WWV cal operation is then performed you will be in a 
pretty good place with respect to total drift and subsequent overall 
frequency (dial) accuracy.


It is easy to discover the pattern and extent of the drift of the TXCO 
in your K3 without any external measuring equipment, external ref locks 
or such.


1. From cold tune to a WWV frequency you will be able to receive 
reliably for a few hours. Higher the better.

2. Wait 5 minutes or you will be chasing a moving target.
3. Perform a REF CAL and note the reading.
4. Perform a REF CAL every half hour, less if you feel like it and note 
the readings.
5. Eventually the reading will really slow down and more or less stop 
changing.
6. Choose a reading that indicates that the bulk of the drift has 
happened, (1-2 hours)

7. Set REF CAL to that reading and sleep well. Good enough for HF.

Given the highest and lowest frequency readings a further experiment can 
be performed to discover the consequences of the TXCO drift on dial 
accuracy. It only takes a few minutes.


1. Set REF CALL to the lowest recorded frequency and tune the K3 to a 
stable test frequency, I used my XG3, note the "dial" reading in fine 
frequency display, 3 digits after the decimal point. I used the CW auto 
spot feature to do the final tune.
2. Set REF CAL to the highest recorded frequency and retune the K3 as 
above noting the "dial" frequency.


The lowest to highest REF CAL frequency is the total TXCO drift in Hz. 
The lowest to highest "dial" frequency will indicate the consequence of 
that TXCO drift in Hz. You will be pleased to note that the two do not 
match. The K3 tuned frequency change is rather less than the TXCO drift.


Reset the REF CAL reading to that you previously chose to be your K3's 
sweat spot.


The above shows why I was wrong in relating the REF CAL frequency 
changes to TXCO ageing. In reality it all comes down to warm up time.


I hope this was worth the read.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



On 09/04/2017 05:51, Roger via Elecraft wrote:

KREF3MDKT   This modification increases the output 

Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

[Bill Johnson]

I try to rely on my GPS watch.  It is very accurate and has the date.  I use 
the clock on the radio so I don't have to do mental time for UT.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael 
Aust
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 9:18 AM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

Seems crazy to not have Date and only Time The KX3 manual on the last page, 
index, say's Date is on Page 30 but when you look at Page 30, it only talks 
about time


Guess Elecraft forgot about this ,,,


Mike
WB6DJI


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm 
To: Michael Aust ; elecraft 
Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2017 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

Mike,

Neither the KX3 manual nor the KXBC3 manual make any reference to a date.  Only 
the time and an alarm.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 1:50 AM, Michael Aust wrote:
> 
> Can you store Date into KX3
> 
> 
> 
> Seems I can only store Time but not Date into KX3

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom Remote Antenna Tuner

[Michael Walker]

It is all automatic.  AM, RTTY or CW.  Any constant carrier mode.  It will
also tune on SSB voice if you wish, but that isn't the best.  The processor
does a frequency analysis and tunes accordingly.

It is well outlined here on SGC's web site.

http://www.sgcworld.com/SideAd06.html and
http://www.sgcworld.com/generalsmartFAQ.html

These are not hobby grade tuners like ham ones we use (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu
or even LDG).  These are commercial and military grade tuners.

I have used 4 of them on and off over the years when I need a tuner.
However, today, I only use resonant antennas and eliminate the need for a
tuner.

I have 1 SGC259 as a spare in case I need it for an emergency.  It is on my
2nd antenna port on my flex radio at my remote base.
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1509

http://www.sgcworld.com/239ProductPage.html

There is an SGC user group you can join.  Most of the Marine guys use them
as well.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Jim Allen  wrote:

> How does the SGC tuner know whether you are sending a signal to tune or to
> radiate?
>
> Why must it be AM?
>
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 06:16, Michael Walker  wrote:
>
> You may want to also look at the SGC Tuners.  Far superior to the Icom.
> You can just send it an low power AM signal and it will tune.
>
> I have used them in cars and many temporary installations and they 'just
> work'.
>
> http://www.sgcworld.com/
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Jim Allen  wrote:
>
>> > I am looking at remote antenna tuners. I have seen several controllers
>> for the ICOM AH-4 tuner. My questions are about operation with a K3s.
>> > 1.Is there a limit to the time that 10w of RF can be sent to the
>> AH-4 via the K3s Tune button?
>> > 2.All circuits specify a momentary switch, but does momentary mean
>> 0.1sec, 1.0sec or 5seconds? Does the time matter?
>> > 3.When the complete signal returns from the AH-4 should the Tune RF
>> or the momentary be terminated immediately?
>> > 4.Is there a combination of momentary or Tune RF that will damage
>> the AH-4?
>> > I have an AH-4 which worked with a home built controller for some
>> months, and then became operationally intermittent and final fails to work
>> at all. That makes me gun-shy, about buying another even though the AH-4
>> gets excellent reviews on eHam, almost all of which are based on an ICOM
>> rig control.
>> I have used an AH-4 for many years, with a 706MKIIG and with various
>> other manufacturer's radios, including now a K2.  Other than the limitation
>> to ~125 watts, these are excellent.  I only run 5 watts so it is not an
>> issue.  I do not recall a situation where the AH-4 would not give a useable
>> match, provided I provided it a plausible antenna.  I use a separate
>> SWR/watt meter that shows it working.
>>
>> The momentary switch  is push on, release off, no time specified.
>> Pushing the button signals the AH-4 to run through its paces for a match.
>> Most often, it is very quick.  Occasionally, when you have gone from, say,
>> 15M to 80M, it might take a little longer, but never more than several
>> seconds.  If no match can be found, it just stops.  Either way, you stop
>> the power. I wouldn't let it just run like that, but have never heard of
>> damage because of it.  You need to reduce power with non-Icom rigs that
>> don't do it automatically.
>>
>> You might join the Icom tuner Yahoo group, if you can stand Yahoo.  Lots
>> of user experience there.
>>
>> I've never seen a store bought controller for the AH-4.  Where have you
>> seen them?
>> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

[Michael Aust]

Seems crazy to not have Date and only Time
The KX3 manual on the last page, index, say's Date is on Page 30
but when you look at Page 30, it only talks about time


Guess Elecraft forgot about this ,,,


Mike
WB6DJI


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm 
To: Michael Aust ; elecraft 
Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2017 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

Mike,

Neither the KX3 manual nor the KXBC3 manual make any reference to a 
date.  Only the time and an alarm.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 1:50 AM, Michael Aust wrote:
> 
> Can you store Date into KX3
> 
> 
> 
> Seems I can only store Time but not Date into KX3

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[Elecraft] KX3 macro for swapping VFOb control when working split.

[OE6FEG / M0FEU]

Hi,
does anybody have any advice for writing a macro that will allow VFOb to
be controlled with the main VFOa tuning dial when operating in split mode.
It gets a bit annoying having to continually tune with the small OFS/B knob,
and whilst swapping frequencies from A to B works, that too can be a
nuisance in certain situations. I have the programmers reference guide and
have been looking through it, but I do not recognise then commands that
allow you to reassign control of specific parameters (in this case the VFOb
TX frequency) to different buttons or encoders (in this case the main VFOa
rotary encoder). Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
73 de OE6FEG / M0FEU
Matt



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Don Wilhelm]

Steve,

The K3 is not 'known' for being off frequency.
Turn to page 50 and do the Reference Oscillator calibration.  If you do 
not have a frequency counter that is accurate enough +/-1Hz or better at 
49 MHz, you should use Method 2.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 1:05 AM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote:

A few of us in Fremont, CA have a weekly 10 meter net. I have a friend with a 
K3 who always sounds off frequency. When I use my K3, I've been told that I am 
off frequency. There are a couple of KX3 users who don't seem to have a 
problem. When I use my Kenwood TS-590 I seem to be on frequency.
Is the K3 known, in general, for being slightly off frequency?

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Re: [Elecraft] Can you store Date into KX3

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

Neither the KX3 manual nor the KXBC3 manual make any reference to a 
date.  Only the time and an alarm.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/9/2017 1:50 AM, Michael Aust wrote:


Can you store Date into KX3



Seems I can only store Time but not Date into KX3

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom Remote Antenna Tuner

[Michael Walker]

You may want to also look at the SGC Tuners.  Far superior to the Icom.
You can just send it an low power AM signal and it will tune.

I have used them in cars and many temporary installations and they 'just
work'.

http://www.sgcworld.com/

Mike

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Jim Allen  wrote:

> > I am looking at remote antenna tuners. I have seen several controllers
> for the ICOM AH-4 tuner. My questions are about operation with a K3s.
> > 1.Is there a limit to the time that 10w of RF can be sent to the
> AH-4 via the K3s Tune button?
> > 2.All circuits specify a momentary switch, but does momentary mean
> 0.1sec, 1.0sec or 5seconds? Does the time matter?
> > 3.When the complete signal returns from the AH-4 should the Tune RF
> or the momentary be terminated immediately?
> > 4.Is there a combination of momentary or Tune RF that will damage
> the AH-4?
> > I have an AH-4 which worked with a home built controller for some
> months, and then became operationally intermittent and final fails to work
> at all. That makes me gun-shy, about buying another even though the AH-4
> gets excellent reviews on eHam, almost all of which are based on an ICOM
> rig control.
> I have used an AH-4 for many years, with a 706MKIIG and with various other
> manufacturer's radios, including now a K2.  Other than the limitation to
> ~125 watts, these are excellent.  I only run 5 watts so it is not an
> issue.  I do not recall a situation where the AH-4 would not give a useable
> match, provided I provided it a plausible antenna.  I use a separate
> SWR/watt meter that shows it working.
>
> The momentary switch  is push on, release off, no time specified.  Pushing
> the button signals the AH-4 to run through its paces for a match.  Most
> often, it is very quick.  Occasionally, when you have gone from, say, 15M
> to 80M, it might take a little longer, but never more than several
> seconds.  If no match can be found, it just stops.  Either way, you stop
> the power. I wouldn't let it just run like that, but have never heard of
> damage because of it.  You need to reduce power with non-Icom rigs that
> don't do it automatically.
>
> You might join the Icom tuner Yahoo group, if you can stand Yahoo.  Lots
> of user experience there.
>
> I've never seen a store bought controller for the AH-4.  Where have you
> seen them?
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 slightly off frequency

[Roger via Elecraft]

KREF3MDKT   This modification increases the output levels from the KREF3
Reference Oscillator to provide proper drive levels for K3 transceivers
equipped with a KSYN3A synthesizers the KRX3 or KRX3A sub receiver and the
K144XV 2-meter transceiver. 

73, Roger



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Re: [Elecraft] kx2 utility for linux on Raspberry Pi

[Bob Nielsen]

The Linux source for the KX2 utility could probably be compiled on a 
Raspberry Pi.  I realize that the source code has not been (and probably 
won't be) released but presumably someone at Elecraft would have a RPi 
and be able to create an ARM binary that could be made available.


Bob N7XY


On 4/8/17 6:54 AM, M. George wrote:

This (ExaGear desktop) might be worth a try/look for those interested in
seeing if they can get the kx2util software to run on a Raspberry Pi.  Wine
as a Win32 emulator on it's own won't work with an ARM processor, but the
ExaGear desktop claims to bridge the gap to allow x86 code to execute with
Wine on an ARM processor..

https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/

Max NG7M
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