Re: [Elecraft] OT: Affordability of the *NEW* K-Line

[Eric J]

I think these price comparisons are fairly accurate.  A new 30S-1 costed about 
the same as a new low end car. A Fiat 1100D or VW Beetle went for around 
$1500-1800 in the early 60s and a low end car today would be around $12-15,000.

However, with ham gear and with cars, actually anything with extensive 
technology, you get a whole lot more for that money today. A ham in 1958 would 
not be able to even imagine a KPA500 or a 2017 Fiat 500.

Eric KE6US

On 5/1/2017 7:36 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 2017-04-30 11:26 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

And, that was for an amplifier that would have been closer to the KPA500 amp.  
About 500 watts out.

73, Rick, K7MW

Collins 30S-1 Linear Amplifier (1 KW), 1958, original cost: $1556, cost in 2017 
dollars: $13,264



So, a new technology K-Line is not that bad as something equivalent from 
Collins back in the 1950s
could easily cost 4 times as much today!

It is interesting to see the price comparisons of a high end K3 set up against 
some of the higher end (back in the day) equipment. I wonder about the 
definition of "affordable". The cost of a K3 system for me is not affordable.


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply fan?

[Clay Autery]

It's a purpose built switcher, so they may have been able to use
passive-only thermal management...

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On 5/1/2017 9:05 PM, Charles Johnson wrote:
> I’ve seen no mention of a fan inside the power supply cabinet of the new 
> KPA1500. Anyone know if one is there and what might be the noise impact? 
> Variable speed maybe?
>
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Affordability of the *NEW* K-Line

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-04-30 11:26 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:



And, that was for an amplifier that would have been closer to the KPA500 amp.  
About 500 watts out.

73, Rick, K7MW


Collins 30S-1 Linear Amplifier (1 KW), 1958, original cost: $1556, cost in 2017 
dollars: $13,264



So, a new technology K-Line is not that bad as something equivalent from 
Collins back in the 1950s
could easily cost 4 times as much today!


It is interesting to see the price comparisons of a high end K3 set up 
against some of the higher end (back in the day) equipment. I wonder about 
the definition of "affordable". The cost of a K3 system for me is not 
affordable.


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Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[Nr4c]

All it takes is a little too much pressure for too long on the "left" Mode 
button and you Reverse the Mode. 

Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 1, 2017, at 10:39 AM, louis a. ives  wrote:
> 
> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side 
> band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult 
> when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. 
> Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" 
> list.
> 73 to all
> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply fan?

[Charles Johnson]

I’ve seen no mention of a fan inside the power supply cabinet of the new 
KPA1500. Anyone know if one is there and what might be the noise impact? 
Variable speed maybe?

73, Charles, K4ZRJ


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Nr4c]

Not I. 

I use the DELETE key a lot. 

We don't need another group, but maybe a bit more etiquette on this one. 

Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 1, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
> 
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
> 
> How many of you would be interested?
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[Elecraft] Current OT threads (was: Elecraft Island & CB in 9.0 quakes)

[Josh Fiden]

I respectfully suggest that we show Eric we can play nice all by 
ourselves and close this & related OT threads.


And yes, my delete key works fine.

Thanks & 73,
Josh

On 4/30/2017 6:44 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

The models DOGAMI (Oregon Dept. of Geology and Mining) has released
shows a 71 foot tsunami if the quake is 9+. I'm glad I am out of the
coast range and in the Cascades.


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Re: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?

[Don Wilhelm]

Paul,

Actually, it is easy to take the cover off (9 screws) and see, 
especially if the SubRX is not installed.
Download the K3 Assembly manual to see how it goes together for the 
various options and allow you to check them for presence or absence.


If you ordered the K3 Factory Built, then your order form and Invoice 
should be able to tell you what is installed.  You should also be aware 
of any options and filters you installed afterwards.


If you bought it used, you will need to physically inspect it for 
options.  Some can be determined from the outside.
Does it have 2 SO-239 jacks for ANT1 and ANT2? - if so, the KAT3 is 
installed.
Does it have two fans on the rear panel? - if so the KPA3 (100 watt amp) 
is installed.
Does it have a row of BNC jacks on the lower back panel? - if so, the 
KXV3 is installed, but you will not know if it is the KXV3A.
Does it have ANT3 installed? - if so, it has the K144XV installed, and 
the KXV3 must be the "A" level.
Do you see an SMA connector on the KXV3 rear panel? - if so, the EXT REF 
option is installed.
Take the top cover off, do you see all the way to the RF Board or do you 
see an "L" shaped assembly near the top? - If you see down to the RF 
Board, the SubRX (KRX3) in *not* installed.


That will not tell you whether the KBPF3 is installed - the best way to 
determine if that is installed is by inspection.


If the only question is about the installed filters, open the top cover. 
 There should be a label on the inside of the top cover with the 
installed filters listed.


Once you know what to look for

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2017 2:59 PM, paule408--- via Elecraft wrote:

For the Elecraft "brain trust"
I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it has?
Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?

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Re: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?

[Michael Chowning]

A Great Idea, Rick!
I have been a Ten Tec patron for years (and still have an Omni VII and 6N2), 
and am now new to Elecraft with a upgraded K3, KPA500, KAT500, P3.  I would 
find your “K3, Explain Thyself” a great feature to add in a future firmware 
upgrade along with a cryptic line defining what, for example “KBPF3” refers to. 
 Secondly, as a purchaser of a used K3, I was unsure of what was in the K3 and 
was not in the K3 I purchased.  That made a decision to upgrade a more complex 
decision than should have been necessary; along with unfamiliarity with the 
Elecraft nomenclature.  In time, I know, I will become more familiar with the 
Elecraft product line but, on the other hand, I don’t have a whole lot of years 
left. 
   Mike, N8TTR

> On May 1, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> Sort of, Paul. There are CONFIG menu items for many of the optional
> components including KAT3, KBPF3, KDVR3, KIO3, KPA3, KRC2 (external
> device), KRX3, KXV3, and the various FLn filters both Main and Sub.
> However, you can't necessarily trust their settings. Some can be set On or
> Nor(mal) even if the device in question is absent. And the filter
> bandwidths could be fudged. But they're a great way to start inventorying
> what's probably there and many can be tested for presence without invasion.
> Checking the Order page at elecraft.com may clue you as to other options
> and modifications that could be present without corresponding menu entries.
> Alas, I don't think there is a "K3, Explain Thyself" function.
> 
> GL & 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM, paule408--- via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> For the Elecraft "brain trust"
>> I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
>> How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it
>> has?
>> Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
>> Thanks,
>> Paul n6psep...@n6pse.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Alternate list.

[Pete Barth]

I have been a part of this list since it started.
I almost never post, and always lurk,
but I am still an integral part of this grest thing.
This group, and this product
IS LIKE NO OTHER PRODUCT
IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.

I belong to another group called the Ampex list,
which has an alternate group called the Backroom Digest'
for all non direct 'tape machine' info/other things.
It just means I have to now cull thru two lists there, rather than one.

I would rather ONE list here,
as I can page through messages, and I can delete as I need to.
Don't forget, any other ham rigs don't have what we have here.
(Where else can you get a return from an owner directly.)

Long live this list, and the company, and its products.
It is the best ever, in my 61 ears of hamming.
(Am now building a K2 for a friend, going as slowly as I can,
just to savor the experience of the best kits ever made.)

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Re: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?

[Rick Tavan]

Sort of, Paul. There are CONFIG menu items for many of the optional
components including KAT3, KBPF3, KDVR3, KIO3, KPA3, KRC2 (external
device), KRX3, KXV3, and the various FLn filters both Main and Sub.
However, you can't necessarily trust their settings. Some can be set On or
Nor(mal) even if the device in question is absent. And the filter
bandwidths could be fudged. But they're a great way to start inventorying
what's probably there and many can be tested for presence without invasion.
Checking the Order page at elecraft.com may clue you as to other options
and modifications that could be present without corresponding menu entries.
Alas, I don't think there is a "K3, Explain Thyself" function.

GL & 73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM, paule408--- via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> For the Elecraft "brain trust"
> I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
> How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it
> has?
> Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
> Thanks,
> Paul n6psep...@n6pse.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

[Wes Stewart]

Just because a "device" will do under 2 dB (or whatever) doesn't mean an 
amplifier necessarily will. Circuit losses, mismatch and bias settings will 
affect the circuit NF.


Additionally, something like an HP noise source is made to be a good source 
match, both on and off.  Those with lower excess noise, indicating the presence 
of an attenuator are better at this than higher noise sources. Nevertheless, 
there can be a difference.  If one of these sources is used to both tune and 
measure an amplifier, the NF can, and probably will be, different when connected 
to an antenna.  These differences are probably in the noise, excuse the pun, at 
6 meters but can be significant at higher frequencies.


Many years ago when GaAs FET were just arriving a friend designed and built a 
preamp for 1296 MHz.  I measured the NF at 0.6 dB, but after looking at the 
undercertainties the number was something like (going by memory) 0.6 dB +1, 
-0.6, in other words, it could be perfect.  This was all due to the 10:1 input 
SWR.  With a vector network analyzer these uncertainties can be resolved, but 
it's not trivial.


I had to chuckle after HP donated an HP8970 to the ARRL lab years ago and they 
reviewed an ARR preamp and listed the NF to two decimal places, presumably 
because that's what the instrument reported.


Wes  N7WS


On 5/1/2017 12:15 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:

That was my reaction as well, but that is what the QST review states.

John
WA1EAZ


On May 1, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH  wrote:

I'll bet it’s a lot better than that.

A 39¢ GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.

Charlie k3ICH

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Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Rick WA6NHC]

Short version:  Accept no substitutes.

Rick nhc


On 5/1/2017 12:25 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this 
list both to post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational 
feedback, marketing and technical info from all of you. Its a huge 
resource for us, and of course, for all of you.


Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three 
unofficial Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence.   
One, just called 'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion 
area for anything Elecraft related. It receives just a few posts each 
week. (I actually manage that one since it was released by its creator 
many years ago. I am not able to regularly read or post to it though.) 
There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a few more posts, 
and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to watch 
those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and 
participate here.


Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc

In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily 
Elecraft discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be 
other new Elecraft lists popping up from time to time, but we can not 
guarantee that we will always be able to read and respond on those 
lists regularly.


Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as 
much as possible, and to voluntarily stop replying to, and kill, those 
OT threads after less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then 
5.. :-)


I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[Nolan Kienitz]

Buddy,

If you are using a logging program with even a smidgen of rig control (band, 
mode, etc..) sometimes it can make ‘flip’ when you least expect it.

I have a logging APP that has flipped USB and LSB when clicking on a ‘spot’ 
that is displayed in the program.

This APP has also been known to lower the audio level (to barely being heard) 
when I shut the APP off before I shut down the rig. I’ve worked with Wayne on 
this one for a couple months with many things tried including beta firmware and 
on and on.  It still does it occasionally, but less often than it used to. I’ve 
also worked with the programmers for the logging APP as well.

We’re all still scratching our heads on that anomaly. 

73,
Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO



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[Elecraft] upgrading K3 for very casual user

[brianpepperdine brianpepperdine]

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[Elecraft] Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2017

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Eric
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Elecraft eMail LIST GUIDELINES 2017

For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have rapidly 
failing memories) here is a quick list of things to remember when posting to 
this list. Please save this for future reference.


The most important thing to remember is that this is a hobby - Let's have fun!

The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable forum 
for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to Elecraft, 
share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.


The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided primarily to further the 
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for the 
discussion of both technical and operating topics including product features, 
construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and impressions from 
using our products and on a limited basis, more general ham radio related topics 
of interest to our customers.


(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone to 5 
posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you feel the 
urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last word'..



1. YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED to the [Elecraft] list TO POST to it. (This is done to 
stop advertising spammers from hitting the list.) Any postings sent to 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net by addresses different from the exact ones it shows as 
subscribers will be rejected.


This includes alias (forwarded) addresses like w1...@arrl.net. If you use an 
alias to subscribe you must have it as your from: and return address too. 
Subscribing with w...@arrl.net from your physical address of j...@aol.com will 
allow you to receive postings, but your postings to
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your subscribe address..


Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft to subscribe and to 
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(digest, no mail on/off etc.), scroll to the bottom of the page and log in with 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

I'd like to close this thread at this time to reduce email overload for our 
other readers.


As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this list both to 
post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational feedback, marketing and 
technical info from all of you. Its a huge resource for us, and of course, for 
all of you.


Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three unofficial 
Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence.   One, just called 
'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion area for anything Elecraft 
related. It receives just a few posts each week. (I actually manage that one 
since it was released by its creator many years ago. I am not able to regularly 
read or post to it though.) There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a 
few more posts, and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to 
watch those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and 
participate here.


Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc

In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily Elecraft 
discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be other new Elecraft 
lists popping up from time to time, but we can not guarantee that we will always 
be able to read and respond on those lists regularly.


Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as much as 
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less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then 5.. :-)


I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.

73,
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On 5/1/2017 9:12 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


Not at all interested.  It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the 
Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become bored 
with, and I get just as many messages as you do.


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Re: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem

[Kevin - K4VD]

Hi Jim. Yep, Ora caught me offline and put me back on track. It's was a
case of me thinking RF flow and Ora was talking about keying.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Jim Rhodes  wrote:

> I think he means the control cable. KAT500 comes before KPA500 there and
> three tunes has the ability to interpret PTT to the amp.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On May 1, 2017 10:06, "Kevin - K4VD"  wrote:
>
> Hi Ora...
>
> I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
> to the transceiver?
>
> My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
> between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
> antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).
>
> The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.
>
> Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
> morning. :)
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith  wrote:
>
> > I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> > case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work
> on
> > 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this
> band.
> > I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> > connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> > turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> > installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works
> FB.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Ora
> > W9DJ
> >
> > Ora Smith
> > orasm...@earthlink.net
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

[John Stengrevics]

That was my reaction as well, but that is what the QST review states.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 1, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH  wrote:
> 
> I'll bet it’s a lot better than that.
> 
> A 39¢ GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 2:08 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
> 
> Hi,
> 
> According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> stengrevics wrote
>> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I 
>> have not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I'll bet it’s a lot better than that.

A 39¢ GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.

Charlie k3ICH

-Original Message-
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut


stengrevics wrote
> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I 
> have not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ





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[Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?

[paule408--- via Elecraft]

For the Elecraft "brain trust"
I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell. 
How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it has?
Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
Thanks,
Paul n6psep...@n6pse.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem

[Jim Rhodes]

I think he means the control cable. KAT500 comes before KPA500 there and
three tunes has the ability to interpret PTT to the amp.


Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On May 1, 2017 10:06, "Kevin - K4VD"  wrote:

Hi Ora...

I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
to the transceiver?

My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).

The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.

Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
morning. :)

73,
Kev K4VD



On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith  wrote:

> I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on
> 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band.
> I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.
>
> 73,
>
> Ora
> W9DJ
>
> Ora Smith
> orasm...@earthlink.net
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

[ab2tc]

Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut


stengrevics wrote
> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I have
> not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ





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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Dan Presley]

I strongly disagree with starting another forum-there’s already plenty.And-a 
number of other forums I subscribe to go ‘way farther off than this one. Do us 
all a favor-don’t divide the knowledge. Eric and Wayne do a fine job moderating.
Dan Presley  N7CQR
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> On May 1, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> I've been around this reflector for 17 years - so far - and this issue has
> come up many, many times.
> 
> Here are the guidelines Eric posted most recently:
> 
> "The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable
> forum for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to
> Elecraft, share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.
> 
> "The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
> discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
> the discussion of both technical and operating topics including product
> features, construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and
> impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related
> topics of interest to our customers.
> 
> "(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone
> to 5 posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you
> feel the urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last
> word'.."
> 
> --
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> Note there is no prohibition of OT topics, only that the number of posts be
> kept down. And he specifically makes provision for "... general ham radio
> related topics of interest..."
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: EricJ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> 
> Hi Eric
> 
> Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
> does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)
> 
> I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
> on their charter.
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[Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

[stengrevics]

Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I have not
been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[Fred Jensen]

Years ago, right after I got my K3 [S/N 642], it quit working on 30 
meters.  No receive, infinite SWR on transmit, fine everywhere else.  
Email conversation with support had me try several things to no avail so 
they said they were going to escalate it, give them a time and number to 
call.  Phone rings, it's Wayne [this is NOT an "alternative fact" and 
I'm not making it up {:-) ], the designer of the radio, and he called me!


"We'll get this fixed, let's start with the simple things," he said.  
"Which antenna is selected on 30 meters?"  It of course was ANT2, a 
selection which is remembered by band and that had nothing connected to 
the SO-239.  Don't feel bad Buddy, we all do it.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/1/2017 7:39 AM, louis a. ives wrote:

I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side band. I 
guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult when not needed. I 
need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave 
suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
73 to all
Buddy, KJ4ZSI


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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB

[Jim Brown]

Bob, W4/KP4Y said:


I agree with other gentleman that Jim can be very offensive in his responses 
sometimes.


I don't mean to be offensive, but there are times when it is appropriate 
to "tell it like it is." As Clay and others have noted, the new ham in 
question was repeatedly ignoring the excellent advice he was getting, 
perhaps because it was in conflict with his already formed opinions or 
the gaps in his knowledge.  IMO, as a genuine old fart, I felt that this 
new ham needed that attitude adjustment suggested by others. FWIW, some 
of the best advice I've ever received has been when folks have corrected 
my errors, whether of fact or of ways of looking at things.


Another long time and well respected list member sent this to that ham, 
with a copy to me:



Stan,

Your response is exactly why I stopped trying to help you early on.  
IMHO, Jim"s message was spot on.


I even considered​ asking for a phone number to call you and trying to 
help. Now, glad I didn't.


You have an attitude problem.


And another long time list member sent me this:

I agree, though it is clear that he’s not absorbing this stuff even 
when explained. Sigh.


Non-professional (unprofessional?) emergency planning often looks like 
this. A focus on rare scenarios that require extreme measures, when 
people should be taking first aid training, replacing their out of 
date Neosporin, and strapping their water heater to the wall.



73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)]

Count me out too...
I have a perfectly working delete key and I know very well how to select 
a group of mails that are of no interest to me and how to create message 
filters...:-)


Op 2017-05-01 om 15:04 schreef Jim Rhodes:

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:


How many of you would be interested?

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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB

[Clay Autery]

Well sir, we'll have to agree to disagree.  The young HAM (in HAM years
anyway) was not LISTENING to those from whom he had openly solicited
advice. 

He was informed of this, perhaps lightly chastised...  Now that he is
aware, he may choose whether to modify his behavior to be more
productive or not.

I would EXPECT my "Elmer" to do nothing less should he spot a
shortcoming in my conduct within the community.

Have a wonderful day.  Please make any additional responses via private
email.  Thanks!

73,

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On 4/30/2017 5:05 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote:
> Clay,
>
> Do have a horse in this race? I believe Mr. Brown can defend himself. I agree 
> with other gentleman that Jim can be very offensive in his responses 
> sometimes. That has been well documented in this forum and others. It's 
> against the spirit of ham radio and you are sanctioning that type of conduct 
> with your response.
>
> 73,
> Robert-W4/KP4Y
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Walter Underwood  wrote:
>>
>> The potential Cascadia earthquake could be 9.0. That means that every tower 
>> will fall, maybe even those built like this CHP/CalOES tower.
>>
>> http://www.oesnews.com/going-towering-heights-keep-emergency-communications-flowing/
>>  
>> 
>>
>> That is why I suggested easily erected wire antennas and small beams, like a 
>> 10m Moxon. After the big one, it will be Field Day, not “flip the switch on 
>> the linear”.
>>
>> Regular practice with field antennas will be more useful preparation than a 
>> big antenna farm. Maybe some regular exercises with a Par EndFedZ antenna, 
>> or even SOTA activations.
>>
>> http://www.lnrprecision.com/endfedz/ 
>>
>> More info on the potential Cascadia earthquake.
>>
>> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one 
>> 
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have always wondered how towers hold up during earthquakes. Being able to 
>>> work with ad-hoc antennas seems a good attribute for any emergency plan.
>>>
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>>
 On 4/30/17 at 11:34 AM, kev...@coho.net wrote:

 Please try NVIS on 40 or 80 meters.  You'll find you can cover most of the 
 state with its use.  Plus the antennas can be ad hoc - tossed into trees 
 or even an old fence line.
>>> ---
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Re: [Elecraft] On Topic

[David Gilbert]

Well, there are lots of folks who think their off-topic post is clever 
enough or important enough to justify it, so self control isn't likely 
to be very effective.  The most effective way to combat off topic posts 
would be for others on the list to gently remind offenders, but 
Wayne/Eric have repeatedly (and understandably) made that against the 
list guidelines in an obvious effort to avoid confrontations ... many of 
which would likely occur due to differences of opinion on what is 
actually off topic.


Besides, I use the off topic posts to calibrate me relative to the 
sender.  The same ones generate most of it, and I just delete all their 
posts as being unlikely to be insightful no matter what the subject is.  
It actually sames time.


Dave   AB7E



On 5/1/2017 9:02 AM, Dan Baker wrote:

I would like to request we stay on the topic of Elecraft and it's relevance
to other equipment and gear. There are forums elsewhere for doomsday,
climate change and the green people. I really enjoy hearing about the
experiences with the  gear. The great wit I have seen here and the
information available. I am not interesting in joining a new group, I would
like to see this one get back on track.

73,   Dan KM6CQ



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I've been around this reflector for 17 years - so far - and this issue has
come up many, many times.

Here are the guidelines Eric posted most recently:

"The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable
forum for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to
Elecraft, share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.

"The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
the discussion of both technical and operating topics including product
features, construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and
impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related
topics of interest to our customers.

"(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone
to 5 posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you
feel the urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last
word'.."

--

Note there is no prohibition of OT topics, only that the number of posts be
kept down. And he specifically makes provision for "... general ham radio
related topics of interest..."

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: EricJ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi Eric

Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)

I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
on their charter.

Mike va3mw

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[David Gilbert]

Not at all interested.  It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the 
Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become 
bored with, and I get just as many messages as you do.


Besides, unless you plan to moderate your list (which will take you FAR 
longer to do than liberal use of your delete key on the current list and 
take up even more of your time explaining why you blocked a particular 
post) your new list is likely to end up with a similar composition to 
this one ... maybe even more given that Wayne and Eric have more street 
cred than you do.  As someone else just posted, it's human nature to 
pollute.


Lastly, I'm not interested in every Elecraft product, and I'd still have 
to do the same scan/delete process on your list that I do on this one.



Dave   AB7E



On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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[Elecraft] On Topic

[Dan Baker]

I would like to request we stay on the topic of Elecraft and it's relevance
to other equipment and gear. There are forums elsewhere for doomsday,
climate change and the green people. I really enjoy hearing about the
experiences with the  gear. The great wit I have seen here and the
information available. I am not interesting in joining a new group, I would
like to see this one get back on track.

73,   Dan KM6CQ

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Chat Group

[John Dolan]

Sorry no interest here.

73,  WB4YAL 

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Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[Ron Manfredi]

I still sometimes forget to _read_ the front panel display.   Not quite 
the same as the old way of  looking at a knob pointer!   But the K3s is 
certainly in a different league from those old rigs.


Ron  WA2EIO


On 5/1/2017 11:44 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Add me to the idiot group. I was operating from Kings county in the 
California QSO party on 10M SSB. Someone responded to my CQ and 
commented that I'd probably get more responses if I was operating USB. 
Sure enough, I was in LSB. I Thanked him and fixed the problem.


I think what had happened is that I had held a button instead of 
pushing it and switched to lower sideband as a result.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/1/17 at 7:39 AM, hotrod...@hotmail.com (louis a. ives) wrote:

I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to 
lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make 
things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened 
as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I 
placed those on my "When it don't work" list.

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Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[Bill Frantz]

Add me to the idiot group. I was operating from Kings county in 
the California QSO party on 10M SSB. Someone responded to my CQ 
and commented that I'd probably get more responses if I was 
operating USB. Sure enough, I was in LSB. I Thanked him and 
fixed the problem.


I think what had happened is that I had held a button instead of 
pushing it and switched to lower sideband as a result.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/1/17 at 7:39 AM, hotrod...@hotmail.com (louis a. ives) wrote:

I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped 
to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious 
and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find 
why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who 
gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.

---
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(408)356-8506  | it.  | 16345 
Englewood Ave
www.pwpconsult.com |  - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Mike via Elecraft]

No thanks.
 
Mike KD8RQE
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2017 9:51:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
va...@portcredit.net writes:

Someone  did change this to OT, but it really isn't.

As others have also  mentioned is that this is a list that is heavily
diluted by so many OT  issues.

This is the only list that I am part of that varies like a club  meeting.
And, that is OK, it just isn't OK for all of us.

For those  that have replied, directly to me, I'm running higher than 50%
for a unique  list.

I'm only just outlining a need.

many thanks

Mike  va3mw
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Jim Cassidy]

I think the Elecraft group is fine but that many of the OT subjects can better 
be handled on groups for those subjects. For example most of the NVIS 
discussion could have been on the Tower Talk group. 
Simple solution would be for this group to stay more on the Elecraft topic. 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-05-01 08:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.


I would not be interested. It would just wind up duplicating some of the 
posts here in terms of topics.


The more people include keywords in the subject lines the easier it is for 
those of us who know how to use mail filters to automatically filter out 
emails about unwanted topics. For the non-filtered content the Delete key is 
all that is needed.


I read a few of the NVIS related messages. Now I automatically hit the 
Delete key for any other messages with that word in the subject line. My 
email program looks for 15 different references to Elecraft products in the 
subject line and tosses those messages in to the trash folder when seen. 
That leaves me with a folder of K2 related messages and another filter puts 
any remaining Elecraft messages in to a non-K2 folder. It makes the list a 
lot more managable.


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Cheers!

Kevin.

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Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Chat Group

[Nolan Kienitz]

There is already another Elecraft reflector at Yahoo.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I certainly would like to see that.
This list has way too much off topic, and real questions get lost in the fog of 
it all.


  From: Michael Walker 
 To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:10 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
   
Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw

   
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Michael Walker]

Hi Eric

Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)

I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
on their charter.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:34 AM, EricJ  wrote:

> Not a chance. Frankly, as a K1 and K2 owner, all the *K-line* posts are OT
> to me. But there hasn't been an OT topic on this reflector that I didn't
> find informative. This is a very tech savvy and interesting group, and I
> value their input. It takes a long time to build a viable community of any
> kind. This one is mature and healthy.
>
> I filter out everything with a specific K-line model number. When a new
> product is announced (like the KPA1500) it isn't filtered so I can learn
> something about it. I have never owned an amp in 60 years and chances are
> excellent I never will, but the product is still interesting--I read every
> post. At some point, I'll add it to my filter.
>
> Why are filters so difficult to do that someone would think starting a new
> group would be easier?
>
> This OT argument goes on in every single group from time to time. It's the
> ULTIMATE example of OT imaginable.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
>> Elecraft equipment.
>>
>> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
>> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
>> emails.
>>
>> How many of you would be interested?
>>
>> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Michael Walker]

Hi Jerry

This is not a moderator discussion as I am not asking them for their
permission, nor do I want to change anything they are doing or promoting.
I have discussed it with them at one point and they are pleased with how
this forum is being used.  What I am looking at is an alternative.

However, I and many others would prefer to stay on Elecraft equipment
topics and prefer to not see any off topic messages like earthquakes, cb
radio or cameras.  It does not help us in any way shape or form with the
usage of the great Elecraft products.  That is the reason that some (not
all) of us joined.

It is about providing options to the community so they can chose.

What is happening is that we are loosing highly technical resources that
would normally contribute to the Elecraft product set as they don't want to
see the off topic spam.

Yes, I can delete them and I don't mind when it is a small percentage, but
now is not a small percentage by a huge amount.  It is turning into a 50/50
discussion board.  I know some like it and that is great and I respect
that.  But, we also have to respect it for those that consider it spam.

If you don't want to be part of a 2nd forum, that is totally up to you and
others that are happy with the status quo.

Make sense?

73, mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jerry Moore  wrote:

> I'd suggest taking this off list directly to the list mods.
> While your opinions are important; the community in it's entirety is
> governed by Elecraft. Complaining to the list only results in a flurry of
> 'me too' or 'not me' posts that further exacerbate the issue.
> On the air we ignore people that disrupt communications or otherwise break
> the rules.
> I'd suggest we take the same action on the list and internet at large.
> Experience being a good teacher; we know that there are people who derive
> enjoyment from causing drama and getting folks spun up.
> Sometimes you just have to get away from the keyboard and go outside.
> Jer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:54 AM
> To: N2TK, Tony 
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> It is getting out of hand.
>
> We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
> shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
> haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.
>
> For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
> it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
> where it will be hosted by tomorrow.
>
> For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
> trying to solve a problem.
>
> What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
> aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
> would give them more time to do that.
>
> many 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
>
> > Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> > I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
> > subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest
> > or get bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
> >
> > 73,
> > N2TK, Tony
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Walker
> > Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus
> > only on Elecraft equipment.
> >
> > While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it
> > is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
> emails.
> >
> > How many of you would be interested?
> >
> > 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem

[Kevin - K4VD]

Hi Ora...

I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
to the transceiver?

My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).

The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.

Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
morning. :)

73,
Kev K4VD



On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith  wrote:

> I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on
> 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band.
> I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.
>
> 73,
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> Ora
> W9DJ
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[Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem

[Ora Smith]

I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in case 
anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on 20 
meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band. I 
suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and connected the 
amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It turned out that the 
firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I installed the latest firmware 
into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.

73,

Ora
W9DJ

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

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From: "Wes Stewart"  
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Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 12:45:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group 

Count me out. 

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote: 
> How many of you would be interested? 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[bill steffey]

with over 20 reflector folders under RADIO which auto sort upon arrival,
count me out

bill

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[Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)

[louis a. ives]

I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side 
band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult 
when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. 
Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" 
list.
73 to all
Buddy, KJ4ZSI


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[EricJ]

Not a chance. Frankly, as a K1 and K2 owner, all the *K-line* posts are 
OT to me. But there hasn't been an OT topic on this reflector that I 
didn't find informative. This is a very tech savvy and interesting 
group, and I value their input. It takes a long time to build a viable 
community of any kind. This one is mature and healthy.


I filter out everything with a specific K-line model number. When a new 
product is announced (like the KPA1500) it isn't filtered so I can learn 
something about it. I have never owned an amp in 60 years and chances 
are excellent I never will, but the product is still interesting--I read 
every post. At some point, I'll add it to my filter.


Why are filters so difficult to do that someone would think starting a 
new group would be easier?


This OT argument goes on in every single group from time to time. It's 
the ULTIMATE example of OT imaginable.


Eric KE6US


On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Jerry Moore]

I'd suggest taking this off list directly to the list mods. 
While your opinions are important; the community in it's entirety is
governed by Elecraft. Complaining to the list only results in a flurry of
'me too' or 'not me' posts that further exacerbate the issue.
On the air we ignore people that disrupt communications or otherwise break
the rules. 
I'd suggest we take the same action on the list and internet at large. 
Experience being a good teacher; we know that there are people who derive
enjoyment from causing drama and getting folks spun up.
Sometimes you just have to get away from the keyboard and go outside. 
Jer

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:54 AM
To: N2TK, Tony 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

It is getting out of hand.

We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.

For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
where it will be hosted by tomorrow.

For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
trying to solve a problem.

What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
would give them more time to do that.

many 73, Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:

> Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft 
> subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest 
> or get bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus 
> only on Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it 
> is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes

[KG7FYI]

Hahahahaha. It stimulates the blood and gets what's left of the fire in 
the boiler stirred up.


On 05/01/2017 01:35 AM, Edward R Cole [via Elecraft] wrote:
> I'll probably get flamed with this comment (oh what the heck): 

Joking aside, all of the State and Federal agencies are preparing for a 
pretty grim scenario. Historically these events span from 40˚N to 50˚N 
with 40-45˚ N receiving the greatest impact. At the time this was first 
discovered they were estimating a 10% chance in the next 50 years. More 
recent research has upped it to over 50% with an estimated shaking 
interval of 15 to 20 minutes. The infrastructure, especially the schools 
in rural Oregon from I-5 west will all be flat. There will be no fuel or 
power available for many areas for up to two years. Grim indeed. One 
thing most agree with is that we are not prepared. The evidence is 
overwhelming. The geological record is clear. On January 26, 1700 it 
took out the west coast and hit Japan with a huge tsunami according to 
Japanese records. On average one of these puppies goes off every 350 
years + or -. I know it's all a lot of guess work too.

Ham is the only thing I think will be available for the short and long 
term. Obviously the first few days/weeks will be total chaos. I'm on the 
local ARES and volunteer fire dept Board. When I heard about this I did 
some homework and purchased a K3. It wasn't a hobby motive at all even 
though I can see that it would be great fun time allowing. I'm here to 
serve my community and willing to learn as time allows. I respect ham 
and I respect the rules. I am also a realist and like as many options as 
I can get my hands on. It's just the way I think. No doubt there will be 
many of you assisting if this thing goes down in the next short time. 
For that I am grateful.

My hope is that I will get a handle on this K3 line up to at least get a 
signal out when it is most needed. The club an ARES does regular sets 
and I participate whenever I can. I'll be the first to admit I am behind 
the 8 ball on this one. Have a look. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys792xlNeI
73
Stan
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Michael Walker]

It is getting out of hand.

We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.

For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
where it will be hosted by tomorrow.

For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
trying to solve a problem.

What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
would give them more time to do that.

many 73, Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:

> Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
> subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest or get
> bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Bill Johnson]

Been there done that already.  Tried that a couple of years ago... got 8 new 
users, including Wayne, and there were no exchanges.  It is one more list.  
Doesn't work.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Stephen Prior 
Cc: Elecraft 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

With this one we get "official" information when things happen. So most of us 
would remain on this reflector for that. Why would we want to then join another 
list to further dilute the information content. Count me as a no.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On May 1, 2017 07:59, "Stephen Prior"  wrote:

> Count me out too.
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> On 1 May 2017 at 13:45, Wes Stewart  wrote:
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> > Count me out.
> >
> > On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> >
> >> How many of you would be interested?
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[John Payne]

Nope, why reinvent the wheel?

W4CWZ


On 5/1/2017 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

Nope, not interested in a new forum.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Mike Flowers]

Hi Mike,

I've seen this attempted with other forums for other topics.   Inevitably,
the OT emails reach the same level in the new forum as well.   It's just
human nature.

For my part, I'll stick with this Elecraft forum.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC 

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> Michael Walker
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> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
> 
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off
> topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
> 
> How many of you would be interested?
> 
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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[Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[N2TK, Tony]

Nope, not interested in a new forum.
I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest or get
bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.

73,
N2TK, Tony   

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Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Michael Walker]

Someone did change this to OT, but it really isn't.

As others have also mentioned is that this is a list that is heavily
diluted by so many OT issues.

This is the only list that I am part of that varies like a club meeting.
And, that is OK, it just isn't OK for all of us.

For those that have replied, directly to me, I'm running higher than 50%
for a unique list.

I'm only just outlining a need.

many thanks

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Not me either.

Not while I have a working delete key.
That plus lots of the "OT" threads are quite interesting.

Charlie k3ICH


From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
Lemay
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 'Elecraft@mailman.qth.net' 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

I'm sure we don't need another Elecraft group - what we do need is more
respect from those who think this is a place to post almost anything OT.

Count me out.

John G4ZTR

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Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 13:06
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[John Lemay]

I'm sure we don't need another Elecraft group - what we do need is more
respect from those who think this is a place to post almost anything OT.

Count me out.

John G4ZTR

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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes

[KG7FYI]

Thanks Joe, I do have two of the ARRL Antenna Books but wasn't familiar 
the other references. I'll be sure to look them up.

I'm currently using a multiband dipole that has really impressed me 
given it's poor location and setup. It's obvious I need an "antenna tool 
kit". That would be very helpful for what I need.

73
Stan
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On 05/01/2017 05:54 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> On 5/1/2017 12:17 AM, Stanley Petrowski wrote:
>  > Thanks again Don. I'm working on that.  I agree that this skill set is
>  > fast fading. One of the interesting aspects of the ham circles I am
>  > affiliated with is that we are all well over 65 and most beyond that.
>  > I have secured many hundreds of feet of good quality coax, spools of
>  > wire to build traps and more wire to use for building antennas.
>
> Building traps is probably a waste of time.  As I learned from old
> timers 40 years ago, your best emergency antennas will be:
>
> 1) 40 and 75 meter 1/4 wave sections of wire that can be clamped
> under the bottom of the mast/whip on your mobile antenna and
> pulled over  nearby tree or up a flagpole when parked.
>
> 2) two or three parallel dipoles for 75 and 40 meters (or 80, 75
> and 40 meters if you have digital/CW nets) that can be hauled
> up a flag pole, into a tree or up a 30 to 40 foot push up mast
> (with the necessary base and temporary guying) for longer term
> "portable" operations.
>
> With the advent of 60 meter allocations (particularly if the FCC
> gets off its ass and implements the most recent WARC decisions)
> you may want to consider adding 60 meters to your arsenal.
>
> It may be worthwhile having a pair of end-fed half wave (EFHW)
> antennas in your tool kit - one for 80/40 and one for 60/30.  Put
> insulators in the middle and at 30 feed from the feed end so they
> can be pulled up a flag pole, tree, or temporary mast as either
> an inverted V or inverted L.  With transceivers  like the K3 that
> have wide range tuners, the EFHW may be easier to store and deploy
> than the parallel dipole/inverted V and will provide the same
> NVIS performance as the traditional "maypole" installations.
>
> In any case,  I recommend the ARRL Antenna Book, ARRL's book on
> portable antennas, the ARRL series "ARRL's Wire Antenna Classics"
> (particularly N0SS's article "An Easy-up and easy to store Field
> Day Dipole"), and the ARRL series "ARRL Antenna Compendium"
> (Volumes 1-8).  If you *study* the Antenna Book, you will get a
> good understanding of the theory wile the Antenna Wire Classics
> and Antenna Compendium series will provide a wealth of practical
> ideas.
>
> 73,
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> ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Chester Alderman]

Without a doubtcount me out!

Sometimes it is true that off topic discussions persist way too long, but we
just have to keep in mind that these guys own and are responsible for
running a profitable company and we should be grateful that they even have
any time to occasionally monitor this reflector. In my humble opinion, there
is nothing calling for another reflector except for those who may be too
lazy to reach for their delete key.

Let's not try to fix something that is not broken!

73,
Tom - W4BQF


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Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
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related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

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[Elecraft] OT: Security camera on your mast

[James Wilson]

Erik,

I'd suggest that you get a really - good - camera. That is a

1080P High Def one that produces good detail. So many "security"

cameras provide such poor detail that an individual or specific

automobile (much less a tag number) can hardly be identified.

Jim W4RKS

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Erik wrote:

>Sorry if this is too OT for most:

>I am considering security cameras for my home/qth. There are a lot of
>package systems available these days, but my initial interest is for a
>single camera mounted near the top of my tower/mast (rotatable of course).

. . .
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Bert Garcia N8NN]

Count me in for a new group!  With all the NVIS-CB-Earthquake stuff and
other O.T. posts, I'm outtta here.  

As a new Elecraft owner, I signed on to learn about Elecraft.  I asked a few
questions about my Elecraft gear, got some good answers and supportive
replies. 

But now there's too much non-Elecraft junk.  I'm gone!

Bert N8NN

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I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Jim Rhodes]

With this one we get "official" information when things happen. So most of
us would remain on this reflector for that. Why would we want to then join
another list to further dilute the information content. Count me as a no.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

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> Count me out too.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Stephen Prior]

Count me out too.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 1 May 2017 at 13:45, Wes Stewart  wrote:

> Count me out.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Rose]

No interest here.

73

Ken - K0PP

On May 1, 2017 06:07, "Michael Walker"  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Johnny Siu via Elecraft]

Count me out as well.  I just stick to this forum. 

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Count me out.

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Wes Stewart]

Count me out.

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

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[Elecraft] RES: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[py5eg]

Hi
I´m in
PY5EG - Oms

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Enviada em: segunda-feira, 1 de maio de 2017 09:06
Para: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Assunto: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on 
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to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

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[Elecraft] OT: RE: Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Jerry Moore]

I updated the subject as OT: 

http://www.arrl.org/amateur-code

The Radio Amateur's Code

The Radio Amateur is

CONSIDERATE...He/[She] never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen
the pleasure of others.

LOYAL...He/[She] offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other
amateurs, local clubs, the IARU Radio Society in his/[her] country, through
which Amateur Radio in his/[her] country is represented nationally and
internationally.

PROGRESSIVE...He/[She] keeps his/[her] station up to date.  It is well-built
and efficient.  His/[Her] operating practice is above reproach.

FRIENDLY...He/[She] operates slowly and patiently when requested; offers
friendly advice and counsel to beginners; kind assistance, cooperation and
consideration for the interests of others. These are the marks of the
amateur spirit.

BALANCED...Radio is a hobby, never interfering with duties owed to family,
job, school or community.

PATRIOTIC...His/[Her] station and skills are always ready for service to
country and community.

- adapted from the original Amateur's Code, written by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA,
in 1928

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

[Michael Walker]

Hi All

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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes

[Edward R Cole]

I'll probably get flamed with this comment (oh what the heck):

How many of you theorizing about a 9.0 Richter earthquake have 
actually experience one!  I not talking about 5 pr 6 or 7 an actual 9+


Why don't you ask an Alaskan Ham?  In 1964 south central Alaska 
experienced a 9.2 (2nd largest ever measured in history).  I was not 
up here then, but I know several people (some are hams) who lived 
thru that.  Plenty of documents with photos of the destruction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake

But not every telephone pole and tower failed.  Yes, all phone 
connection with lower-48 was interrupted for a long time.  Military 
lost all their comms.  Only one's able to provide communication to 
outside the state were hams!  That's right.  All documented.  Power 
and phones were impacted (there was no cell back then).  Undersea 
cables broke.  The single railroad line from Anchorage to Seward on 
the Kenai Peninsula was twisted and not repaired for something like 
6-mos, single highway south of Anchorage was also damaged for a long 
period.  Homes slid into the inlet, ships were sunk and shoreline 
destroyed by the tsunami which reached Oregon and California shores 
and Hawaii 3,000 miles south.  Seward and Valdez essentially suffered 
near total destruction.


But not everything was destroyed and not everyone without utilities.

Of course a significant factor is depth of the epicenter, longitudal 
distance from you and what geologic structures the waves travel thru.


I moved to the small town of Hope (AK) when I moved here in 1979.  I 
heard from locals how the land rippled with 30-foot high waves (I 
suspect maybe not that high but certainly terrifying).  Most of the 
original townsite which lay near the shore of Turnagain Arm sunk 
16-foot and the next high tide produced 6-foot of water above the 
ground level flooding every building.  Most are gone now.  Town has 
relocated further away from the shore.


Your skills setting up a temporary station with new antennas, 
equipment relocated, emergency power and fuel for that (gas stations 
will not be able to pump without power or may have cracked 
tanks).  Your personal shelter, food, water, and sanitary facilities 
may be all impacted.  If you are lucky some part of your home station 
may work.  Possibly only the mobile station in your vehicle.


I've been thru a few earthquakes in CA (1971 Sylmar 6mi from my apt) 
and AK.  But few really have that large effect that is being 
discussed, here.  I was here for the 7.9 quake centered in the Alaska 
Range (I'm about 300 miles south of where its epicenter was 
located.  Fortunately it mostly affected uninhabited areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Denali_earthquake
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/24/magnitude-7-1-earthquake-strikes-alaska.html 
I am 8 miles north of the homes that were destroyed last year.


But doubtful that you will have beach property in Boise.

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Re: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes

[KG7FYI]

I took it down to 5 watts pronto before I started reconfig. Roger that 
on the dementia also. One step at a time. One day at a time. My sincere 
gratitude. I'll keep you posted.

73
Stan
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On 04/30/2017 09:39 PM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Turn the power down while experimenting and you should not "blow the
> finals".
> 73,
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