[Elecraft] K3S on RTTY using DXLAB WinWarbler?

[David F. Reed]

Could someone please share how they set up WinWarbler with a K3S for 
RTTY using the K3s internal soundcard?


Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and RTTY Contesting with N1MM+/MMTTY

[Andy McMullin]

Excellent answer Richard. Thank you. 

Sometimes sitting on the side of a discussion you see a gem to store away for 
further reference. I found this was one. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Feb 2016, at 22:59, Richard Ferch  wrote:
> 
> There is some confusion evident in your post on the roles of the connections 
> between the radio and the computer.
> 
> There are three separate connections needed for operation in data modes 
> (possibly four in FSK).
> 
> The first of these connections is for rig control from N1MM+. On a K3, this 
> is the RS232 port. On a K3S, you can use the USB connection instead, provided 
> the K3S's CONFIG:RS232 is set for USB. Either way, this represents one serial 
> port in the software. N1MM+ must be configured to use this port for rig 
> control, and this port cannot be used by MMTTY when it is run from within 
> N1MM+. This last limitation (inability to share a serial port between the two 
> programs) is why the configuration that you use in MMTTY stand-alone does not 
> work when you run MMTTY from N1MM+.
> 
> The second connection is for audio to and from MMTTY. On a K3, there are 
> actually two cables for audio, one in and one out, but on a K3S, these can be 
> replaced by a single USB connection to the USB codec inside the radio. This 
> happens to be shared with the same USB cable that conveys rig control, but 
> there are two separate and independent devices as far as the software is 
> concerned - one is a serial port, the other is a sound card, and there is no 
> interaction between the two in the application software.
> 
> This audio connection is used for receive audio, and in AFSK, for transmit 
> audio. MMTTY is configured to use the radio's USB codec as its sound card; 
> N1MM+ does not need to use the sound card at all in data modes (SSB is 
> another story, but I won't go into that here).
> 
> The third connection is for TX/RX control, or PTT. There are several ways of 
> doing this on the K3/K3S, and it can be controlled either in the radio, or in 
> N1MM+, or in MMTTY - pick one.
> 
> In AFSK (or in CW), the method internal to the radio is VOX. If you use VOX, 
> you do not need to, and for the sake of avoiding confusion you should not, 
> configure any other method of PTT either in N1MM+ or in MMTTY. However, VOX 
> does not work in FSK D. If the radio is in FSK D, PTT must be controlled some 
> other way (either via radio command or via a hardware PTT connection).
> 
> A second method is to use software radio commands from N1MM+ over the radio 
> control line to control PTT. This method can be used by MMTTY when it is run 
> stand-alone, but it is not available to MMTTY when it is run from within 
> N1MM+ because of the inability to share the port. If you use this method, you 
> do not need either a hardware connection or VOX.
> 
> A third method is to use serial port keying, by convention usually done on 
> RTS, although it is possible to use DTR. In most radios, this has to be a 
> separate port from the radio control port, and it has to be through a keying 
> circuit. The K3 and K3S are exceptions - you can use RTS on the radio control 
> port without any keying circuitry by setting CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or 
> RTS-DTR to allow CW keying on DTR). This must be done from N1MM+, not from 
> MMTTY, because the radio control port cannot be shared between the two 
> programs.
> 
> You can also use a different serial port for PTT control, in which case it 
> would be connected through a keying circuit to either the PTT IN jack or to 
> the ACC connector on the K3/K3S. Since this is a different serial port from 
> the radio control port, you can choose to use it either from N1MM+ or from 
> MMTTY.
> 
> The fourth possible connection (which may be shared with the third PTT 
> method) is for FSK keying from MMTTY, which is applied via the ACC connector. 
> This can be done from a serial port through a keying circuit, but it must be 
> a different serial port from the one used for rig control. This is a hardware 
> limitation, not just software. The FSK serial port must be configured in 
> MMTTY, and there is normally no need to mention it at all in N1MM+. MMTTY can 
> also use this same port for PTT control, in which case you do not need to 
> configure a PTT method in N1MM+.
> 
> It is possible to configure a serial port used by MMTTY in N1MM+ in such a 
> way that N1MM+ only uses it in CW/SSB and hands it over to MMTTY in data 
> modes, but this is only necessary if you need to time-share the FSK port with 
> other uses in other modes, or if you want to use FSK with the built-in MMVARI 
> engine in N1MM+.
> 
> There is another way to do FSK, and that is via radio control commands 
> embedded in CAT1ASC macros in N1MM+, but this method is not supported by the 
> N1MM+ programming team, i.e. you are on your own if you try it.
> 
> There is no TCP/IP connection to the radio. HRD may use TCP/IP for 
> intercommunication between its software 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S and RTTY Contesting with N1MM+/MMTTY

[Al K0VM via Elecraft]

Rich,
  Except for the specific references to K3, you answer should be framed 
( and filed ) for its completeness.


AL, K0VM

On 2/6/2016 4:59 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
There is some confusion evident in your post on the roles of the 
connections between the radio and the computer.


There are three separate connections needed for operation in data 
modes (possibly four in FSK).


The first of these connections is for rig control from N1MM+. On a K3, 
this is the RS232 port. On a K3S, you can use the USB connection 
instead, provided the K3S's CONFIG:RS232 is set for USB. Either way, 
this represents one serial port in the software. N1MM+ must be 
configured to use this port for rig control, and this port cannot be 
used by MMTTY when it is run from within N1MM+. This last limitation 
(inability to share a serial port between the two programs) is why the 
configuration that you use in MMTTY stand-alone does not work when you 
run MMTTY from N1MM+.


The second connection is for audio to and from MMTTY. On a K3, there 
are actually two cables for audio, one in and one out, but on a K3S, 
these can be replaced by a single USB connection to the USB codec 
inside the radio. This happens to be shared with the same USB cable 
that conveys rig control, but there are two separate and independent 
devices as far as the software is concerned - one is a serial port, 
the other is a sound card, and there is no interaction between the two 
in the application software.


This audio connection is used for receive audio, and in AFSK, for 
transmit audio. MMTTY is configured to use the radio's USB codec as 
its sound card; N1MM+ does not need to use the sound card at all in 
data modes (SSB is another story, but I won't go into that here).


The third connection is for TX/RX control, or PTT. There are several 
ways of doing this on the K3/K3S, and it can be controlled either in 
the radio, or in N1MM+, or in MMTTY - pick one.


In AFSK (or in CW), the method internal to the radio is VOX. If you 
use VOX, you do not need to, and for the sake of avoiding confusion 
you should not, configure any other method of PTT either in N1MM+ or 
in MMTTY. However, VOX does not work in FSK D. If the radio is in FSK 
D, PTT must be controlled some other way (either via radio command or 
via a hardware PTT connection).


A second method is to use software radio commands from N1MM+ over the 
radio control line to control PTT. This method can be used by MMTTY 
when it is run stand-alone, but it is not available to MMTTY when it 
is run from within N1MM+ because of the inability to share the port. 
If you use this method, you do not need either a hardware connection 
or VOX.


A third method is to use serial port keying, by convention usually 
done on RTS, although it is possible to use DTR. In most radios, this 
has to be a separate port from the radio control port, and it has to 
be through a keying circuit. The K3 and K3S are exceptions - you can 
use RTS on the radio control port without any keying circuitry by 
setting CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or RTS-DTR to allow CW keying on 
DTR). This must be done from N1MM+, not from MMTTY, because the radio 
control port cannot be shared between the two programs.


You can also use a different serial port for PTT control, in which 
case it would be connected through a keying circuit to either the PTT 
IN jack or to the ACC connector on the K3/K3S. Since this is a 
different serial port from the radio control port, you can choose to 
use it either from N1MM+ or from MMTTY.


The fourth possible connection (which may be shared with the third PTT 
method) is for FSK keying from MMTTY, which is applied via the ACC 
connector. This can be done from a serial port through a keying 
circuit, but it must be a different serial port from the one used for 
rig control. This is a hardware limitation, not just software. The FSK 
serial port must be configured in MMTTY, and there is normally no need 
to mention it at all in N1MM+. MMTTY can also use this same port for 
PTT control, in which case you do not need to configure a PTT method 
in N1MM+.


It is possible to configure a serial port used by MMTTY in N1MM+ in 
such a way that N1MM+ only uses it in CW/SSB and hands it over to 
MMTTY in data modes, but this is only necessary if you need to 
time-share the FSK port with other uses in other modes, or if you want 
to use FSK with the built-in MMVARI engine in N1MM+.


There is another way to do FSK, and that is via radio control commands 
embedded in CAT1ASC macros in N1MM+, but this method is not supported 
by the N1MM+ programming team, i.e. you are on your own if you try it.


There is no TCP/IP connection to the radio. HRD may use TCP/IP for 
intercommunication between its software modules, but the K3 or K3S has 
no Ethernet connection and no way to use TCP/IP.


Bottom line: You may use VOX in AFSK if you choose to do so, but it is 
not necessary if you have correctly configured one of the other PTT 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S and RTTY Contesting with N1MM+/MMTTY

[Richard Ferch]

There is some confusion evident in your post on the roles of the 
connections between the radio and the computer.


There are three separate connections needed for operation in data modes 
(possibly four in FSK).


The first of these connections is for rig control from N1MM+. On a K3, 
this is the RS232 port. On a K3S, you can use the USB connection 
instead, provided the K3S's CONFIG:RS232 is set for USB. Either way, 
this represents one serial port in the software. N1MM+ must be 
configured to use this port for rig control, and this port cannot be 
used by MMTTY when it is run from within N1MM+. This last limitation 
(inability to share a serial port between the two programs) is why the 
configuration that you use in MMTTY stand-alone does not work when you 
run MMTTY from N1MM+.


The second connection is for audio to and from MMTTY. On a K3, there are 
actually two cables for audio, one in and one out, but on a K3S, these 
can be replaced by a single USB connection to the USB codec inside the 
radio. This happens to be shared with the same USB cable that conveys 
rig control, but there are two separate and independent devices as far 
as the software is concerned - one is a serial port, the other is a 
sound card, and there is no interaction between the two in the 
application software.


This audio connection is used for receive audio, and in AFSK, for 
transmit audio. MMTTY is configured to use the radio's USB codec as its 
sound card; N1MM+ does not need to use the sound card at all in data 
modes (SSB is another story, but I won't go into that here).


The third connection is for TX/RX control, or PTT. There are several 
ways of doing this on the K3/K3S, and it can be controlled either in the 
radio, or in N1MM+, or in MMTTY - pick one.


In AFSK (or in CW), the method internal to the radio is VOX. If you use 
VOX, you do not need to, and for the sake of avoiding confusion you 
should not, configure any other method of PTT either in N1MM+ or in 
MMTTY. However, VOX does not work in FSK D. If the radio is in FSK D, 
PTT must be controlled some other way (either via radio command or via a 
hardware PTT connection).


A second method is to use software radio commands from N1MM+ over the 
radio control line to control PTT. This method can be used by MMTTY when 
it is run stand-alone, but it is not available to MMTTY when it is run 
from within N1MM+ because of the inability to share the port. If you use 
this method, you do not need either a hardware connection or VOX.


A third method is to use serial port keying, by convention usually done 
on RTS, although it is possible to use DTR. In most radios, this has to 
be a separate port from the radio control port, and it has to be through 
a keying circuit. The K3 and K3S are exceptions - you can use RTS on the 
radio control port without any keying circuitry by setting 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or RTS-DTR to allow CW keying on DTR). This 
must be done from N1MM+, not from MMTTY, because the radio control port 
cannot be shared between the two programs.


You can also use a different serial port for PTT control, in which case 
it would be connected through a keying circuit to either the PTT IN jack 
or to the ACC connector on the K3/K3S. Since this is a different serial 
port from the radio control port, you can choose to use it either from 
N1MM+ or from MMTTY.


The fourth possible connection (which may be shared with the third PTT 
method) is for FSK keying from MMTTY, which is applied via the ACC 
connector. This can be done from a serial port through a keying circuit, 
but it must be a different serial port from the one used for rig 
control. This is a hardware limitation, not just software. The FSK 
serial port must be configured in MMTTY, and there is normally no need 
to mention it at all in N1MM+. MMTTY can also use this same port for PTT 
control, in which case you do not need to configure a PTT method in N1MM+.


It is possible to configure a serial port used by MMTTY in N1MM+ in such 
a way that N1MM+ only uses it in CW/SSB and hands it over to MMTTY in 
data modes, but this is only necessary if you need to time-share the FSK 
port with other uses in other modes, or if you want to use FSK with the 
built-in MMVARI engine in N1MM+.


There is another way to do FSK, and that is via radio control commands 
embedded in CAT1ASC macros in N1MM+, but this method is not supported by 
the N1MM+ programming team, i.e. you are on your own if you try it.


There is no TCP/IP connection to the radio. HRD may use TCP/IP for 
intercommunication between its software modules, but the K3 or K3S has 
no Ethernet connection and no way to use TCP/IP.


Bottom line: You may use VOX in AFSK if you choose to do so, but it is 
not necessary if you have correctly configured one of the other PTT 
control methods.


73,
Rich VE3KI


KD3TB wrote:


I have a new K3S radio that uses the new  USB for Sound and Radio Control.
For RTTY contesting I use N1MM+ with the MMTTY 

[Elecraft] K3S and RTTY Contesting with N1MM+/MMTTY

[KD3TB]

I am just posting to see what is the experience with others.

 

I have a new K3S radio that uses the new  USB for Sound and Radio Control.
For RTTY contesting I use N1MM+ with the MMTTY interface.  Since the USB
Codec control appears to act differently than a standard serial port, I need
to put the Radio in VOX to key RTTY in N1MM+.  In the past with my older K3
which used a standard Serial port connection, I did not have to do this.  My
K3 Settings are: Tx Data Mode (AFSK A), with PTT-KEY in rts-dtr . No
difference in Safe versus unsafe modes. It also requires the VOX on in FSK
mode too. When I use must MMTTY by itself, I can key with the correct Com
port.  I am sure this has something to do with how N1MM+ interfaces with the
new K3S USB Codec . I have not tried this with other RTTY programs such as
FLdigi, etc.  Everything works fine in CW, DVR Memory keying with the
correct codes, etc. 

 

With Ham Radio Deluxe, since it uses a TC/IP connection between the software
and radio, I do not need to have TX Data in VOX on mode. 

 

I am not sure to eliminate the requirement for VOX on, if it requires an
update in either K3S firmware or how N1MM+ interfaces with the K3S USB Codec
commands. -  Or we just stay with VOX on when contesting.

 

Food for thought and what are others experience with the K3S and N1MM+/MMTTY
in RTTY contesting?

 

Thanks, Irwin - KD3TB

 

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[Elecraft] K3S on RTTY

[Jeff Stai]

I haven't seen much here on the subject so I thought I would share my
experience from this past weekend in the RTTY Roundup.

We recently upgraded our multi-radio setup with two new K3S-es. Both were
operated in FSK-D mode, one at the 2125/2295 tones, and the other at
1445/1615. (That helps me sort them out in the headphones quicker.)

Both rigs get the FSK via the ACC port. One rig gets FSK via a Microham
box, the other by FSK cables with level shifters built by me.

I use Writelog as my contest logger in the mode that allows the K3 and K3S
sub Rx to appear as a second radio.

The K3S-es were connected via the USB interface. I used the K3S internal
sound card on both rigs. And the P3s were connected accordingly with the
special cable.

I have to say that - other than that one weirdness with the VFO B cursor I
posted about the other day - everything ran flawlessly. The internal sound
card decoded at least as well as my external cards do.

One thing I especially had my eye on was interference between the stations.
We run full power and we have experienced wideband interference between
20/40 and 40/80 RTTY that no amount of filtering seemed to conquer.

I'm happy to report that the interference is substantially reduced with the
new KSYN3A on board. I used to have to pick my transmitting spots very
carefully to avoid "bad zones" but now it is almost a non issue. (Woo hoo!)

Also, and this of course is subjective, but QRM from neighboring stations
also seemed to be substantially reduced. At least, I didn't have to QSY as
much as I usually do to get away from someone's gudge. I'll have a better
sense for this after a few more events.

73 jeff wk6i

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty

[KK1W]

I bought this FSK interface on eBay for under $30. Plugs into the ACC port on
the K3s. Works fine with MMTTY and the built-in soundcard via USB on the
K3s. I know I could build one cheaper but I'm getting lazy.

eBay item number: 261934374053

Jim/KK1W





Rich,
Thanks for the explanation. I sure thought I could get FSK keying with the
LP-Bridge but I understand what you are saying. I was using USB SignaLink
with a modification to a FSKit circuit published in QST a few years back for
FSK keying of my Icom Pro III and it worked well. I have used AFSK before
but
Still prefer FSK so I guess it's back to getting it all set up again.
73, Earl



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Re: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty

[Richard Ferch]

You cannot use the same serial port for CAT (rig) control and FSK 
keying. The reason has nothing to do with COM port sharing between 
parallel rig control applications, which is the issue LP-Bridge solves. 
The fundamental issue is that FSK keying and CAT control use the RS-232 
signal lines in incompatible ways. You must use a different serial port 
for FSK keying than the one you use for CAT control, and no port-sharing 
method (LP-Bridge, com0com, VSPE) can change this. LP-Bridge will allow 
you to use two rig control programs in parallel, but it will not allow 
you to use one serial port in two fundamentally incompatible ways.


For FSK keying you need a one-transistor switching interface between the 
RS-232 voltage levels (plus and minus 12V) on the COM port you are using 
for FSK and the FSK keying input (pin 1) on the K3's ACC connector.


If you don't already have an FSK keying circuit, it would be easier to 
use AFSK with MMTTY. From the operator's point of view, AFSK A on the K3 
is almost indistinguishable from FSK D. The K3's transmitted signals 
using AFSK are just as clean as its FSK. In fact, until relatively 
recently the K3's AFSK was cleaner than its FSK. And with AFSK, no 
special keying circuit is necessary. Indeed, if you are using the K3S's 
USB port for rig control, I believe no new cables are needed at all. 
Just tell MMTTY to use the sound card inside the K3S.


If you were using a SignaLink before, that was AFSK. You do not need the 
SignaLink with the K3S, because everything it does is already provided 
for inside the K3S, but apart from changing the sound card MMTTY uses, 
there should be little difference between using the SignaLink and using 
the K3S's internal sound card.


73,
Rich VE3KI


K4KAY wrote:


From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working
fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help.



I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using
transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with

Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal link.
Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on

My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the
lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the

Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport.



I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if
simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the
VGS option.



Regards,

Earl, K4KAY

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty

[efortner]

Rich,
Thanks for the explanation. I sure thought I could get FSK keying with the
LP-Bridge but I understand what you are saying. I was using USB SignaLink
with a modification to a FSKit circuit published in QST a few years back for
FSK keying of my Icom Pro III and it worked well. I have used AFSK before
but
Still prefer FSK so I guess it's back to getting it all set up again.
73, Earl, K4KAY


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Richard Ferch
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:59 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty

You cannot use the same serial port for CAT (rig) control and FSK keying.
The reason has nothing to do with COM port sharing between parallel rig
control applications, which is the issue LP-Bridge solves. 
The fundamental issue is that FSK keying and CAT control use the RS-232
signal lines in incompatible ways. You must use a different serial port for
FSK keying than the one you use for CAT control, and no port-sharing method
(LP-Bridge, com0com, VSPE) can change this. LP-Bridge will allow you to use
two rig control programs in parallel, but it will not allow you to use one
serial port in two fundamentally incompatible ways.

For FSK keying you need a one-transistor switching interface between the
RS-232 voltage levels (plus and minus 12V) on the COM port you are using for
FSK and the FSK keying input (pin 1) on the K3's ACC connector.

If you don't already have an FSK keying circuit, it would be easier to use
AFSK with MMTTY. From the operator's point of view, AFSK A on the K3 is
almost indistinguishable from FSK D. The K3's transmitted signals using AFSK
are just as clean as its FSK. In fact, until relatively recently the K3's
AFSK was cleaner than its FSK. And with AFSK, no special keying circuit is
necessary. Indeed, if you are using the K3S's USB port for rig control, I
believe no new cables are needed at all. 
Just tell MMTTY to use the sound card inside the K3S.

If you were using a SignaLink before, that was AFSK. You do not need the
SignaLink with the K3S, because everything it does is already provided for
inside the K3S, but apart from changing the sound card MMTTY uses, there
should be little difference between using the SignaLink and using the K3S's
internal sound card.

73,
Rich VE3KI


K4KAY wrote:

> From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working
> fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help.
>
>
>
> I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using
> transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with
>
> Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal
link.
> Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on
>
> My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the
> lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the
>
> Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport.
>
>
>
> I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if
> simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the
> VGS option.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Earl, K4KAY
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[Elecraft] K3s on rtty

[efortner]

>From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working
fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help.

 

I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using
transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with

Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal link.
Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on

My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the
lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the 

Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport.

 

I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if
simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the
VGS option.

 

Regards,

Earl, K4KAY

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[Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[ae4pb]

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and was
struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how to
get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At one point the K3S
appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his call
and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he was calling and didn't
consistently copy.  I was never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I struggled to get the right
most set of bars to stay filled even after playing with the width/filter..

 

I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several websites on
setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?


Thanks in advance. 

 

 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Has there ever been a "K3S" call issued?  Wink
wink.
Chas

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of ae...@carolinaheli.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:35 PM
To: 'Elecraft Reflector'
<elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night
(new mode for me) and was struggling to understand
the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how
to get the dual APF to display correctly and
setup. At one point the K3S appeared be decoding
correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his
call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he
was calling and didn't consistently copy.  I was
never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I
struggled to get the right most set of bars to
stay filled even after playing with the
width/filter..

 

I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've
tried several websites on setting up for RTTY with
no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?


Thanks in advance. 

 

 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive,
Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic.

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[ae4pb]

If I understand the question I'm in data AFSK A 45wpm, connected to HRD
DM780, I can hear the RTTY on both the radio and computer, I think I have
the radio tuned correctly because the Text is about 70-80% correct, I'm
seeing callsign and report most of the time. Computer shows no data, I've
done 45 FSK, 45 AFSK , both reverse, I'm not sure what I'm transmitting when
I try that as I can't hear it. I found the APF button, it was hidden right
in front of me :)

I did notice at first that I did NOT have RTTY audio at the computer.
There's a bug in the audio device settings where changing the sample rate
"fixes" it. Now I have RTTY audio but still no text..

On my earlier concern about possibly damaging something when connecting USB
and RS232: I opened up and removed all of the I/O boards, they all passed
the visual and sniff test, main board top and bottom pass visual and pass
sniff test. I have noticed that my Mag Loop controller is acting funny so
maybe I'll get lucky and that is it. 


Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.




-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:41 PM
To: ae...@carolinaheli.com; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in?  For RTTY, you would normally be in AFSK A
and then you could activate the dual tone filter.  I believe most use MMTTY
for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented software can
work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you activate
REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency.  Make certain that the
mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your software application
settings.

Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal
sideband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:
> I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and 
> was struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully 
> understand how to get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At 
> one point the K3S appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would 
> sometimes see his call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he 
> was calling and didn't consistently copy.  I was never able to get HRD 
> to copy any of it. I was in Data mode and the CWT did show split 
> tuning but I struggled to get the right most set of bars to stay filled
even after playing with the width/filter..
>
>   
>
> I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several 
> websites on setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good 
> guide on the K3/S with/without HRD on RTTY?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>
> An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, 
> and Patriotic.
>
>   
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[Wes (N7WS)]

I find HRD overly complicated so I don't use it, and cannot speak to how to set 
it up.


I use a variant of MMTTY that is designed to interface with DXBase, my logging 
program.  MMTTY would be setup the same.


I use AFSK A and low tones, 915 Hz, and set up MMTTY accordingly. Make sure 
whatever decoder you use is set to TX and RX using whatever tones you set the K3 to.


Turn off the dual filter, it's mostly useless and set your RX bandwidth to 400 
Hz.  Some folks want to use narrower BW, but there is little, if anything, to be 
gained by this.


Worry about decoding the DX station.  You don't care what the other guys are 
sending. and trying to tune them to decode them is unnecessary.  Here is where a 
P3 or other bandscope shines over a second RX, all IMHO of course.


Wes  N7WS  242 DXCC countries on RTTY all worked with a K3.

On 9/24/2015 9:35 AM, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and was
struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how to
get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At one point the K3S
appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his call
and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he was calling and didn't
consistently copy.  I was never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I struggled to get the right
most set of bars to stay filled even after playing with the width/filter..

  


I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several websites on
setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?


Thanks in advance.

  

  


Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

  

  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[ae4pb]

I think I got it working. I changed the K3S Settings to 915 - 170 and
HRD/DM780 started decoding correctly. I was able to work N3P successfully
..TYTYTYTY... 
What threw me off was that the K3S was decoding correctly anytime I had the
tuning close but I wasn't getting anything (not even garbage) on the
computer. I'm about ready to wipe Windows 10 and go back to win 7. Actually
with the way I operate I could almost ONLY use the laptop for logging and do
the rest by ear or at the K3!





-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:41 PM
To: ae...@carolinaheli.com; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in?  For RTTY, you would normally be in AFSK A
and then you could activate the dual tone filter.  I believe most use MMTTY
for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented software can
work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you activate
REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency.  Make certain that the
mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your software application
settings.

Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal
sideband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:
> I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and 
> was struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully 
> understand how to get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At 
> one point the K3S appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would 
> sometimes see his call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he 
> was calling and didn't consistently copy.  I was never able to get HRD 
> to copy any of it. I was in Data mode and the CWT did show split 
> tuning but I struggled to get the right most set of bars to stay filled
even after playing with the width/filter..
>
>   
>
> I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several 
> websites on setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good 
> guide on the K3/S with/without HRD on RTTY?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>
> An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, 
> and Patriotic.
>
>   
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

[Don Wilhelm]

Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in?  For RTTY, you would normally be in 
AFSK A and then you could activate the dual tone filter.  I believe most 
use MMTTY for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented 
software can work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you 
activate REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency.  Make 
certain that the mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your 
software application settings.


Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal 
sideband.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and was
struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how to
get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At one point the K3S
appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his call
and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he was calling and didn't
consistently copy.  I was never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I struggled to get the right
most set of bars to stay filled even after playing with the width/filter..

  


I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several websites on
setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?


Thanks in advance.

  

  


Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

  

  


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