Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio. I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it. Frank KG9H On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote: I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kg9hfr...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
A followup to my original post: I started VMWare and ran WIN8.1 and insetalled the latest Utility. No problems with the old K3. Now to test the K3s….. With Win *.1 on Mac, both radios are normal. Something is not right in my Mac Utility setup. …bill c nr4c On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:22 AM, kg9hfr...@gmail.com wrote: Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio. I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it. Frank KG9H On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com mailto:n...@widomaker.com wrote: I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kg9hfr...@gmail.com mailto:kg9hfr...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
We're going to try a firmware fix for this. Hopefully, a computer that's connected but turned off won't key the rig unintentionally, even with PTT or KEY in use from the port. I'll let you know. Wayne N6KR On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: Consider the FTDI driver as a program and part of the computer. If CONFIG:PTT-KEY is *not* OFF-OFF in the K3, then you have to exert knowledgeable control over the DTR/RTS states from the computer. Otherwise, turn them off so you don't get surprised. If PTT-KEY *is* OFF-OFF in the K3, then those states, from whatever source outside the K3, are ignored, period. 73, Guy K2AV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
PMFJI, Frank, I'm primarily a Mac user and OS X beta tester. But I do work with Windows because it will do some things I need (much better for working with DVDs for example -- and more ham radio apps). So some time ago I installed Windows 10 Preview on my Win 8.1 machine (my main Windows computers are Windows 7, and will stay that way for a while, at least). Windows 10 is an improvement over Win 8.1, IMO -- and that's even after modifying Win 8.1 to make the GUI work like Win 7 :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/24/15 7:22 AM, kg9hfr...@gmail.com wrote: Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio. I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it. Frank KG9H On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote: I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
Consider the FTDI driver as a program and part of the computer. If CONFIG:PTT-KEY is *not* OFF-OFF in the K3, then you have to exert knowledgeable control over the DTR/RTS states from the computer. Otherwise, turn them off so you don't get surprised. If PTT-KEY *is* OFF-OFF in the K3, then those states, from whatever source outside the K3, are ignored, period. 73, Guy K2AV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
I use my K3 with a Mac and use it with both the Elecraft Mac utility and Windows apps without problem. I'm using an FTDI-based USB Serial converter with it. The first thing I would check is the type of USB Serial cable you're using: There have been many fake Prolific cables sold over the years and those can be very problematic, even causing the type of behavior you're seeing. FWIW, I just tested the latest Mac utility and it worked fine for me. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
To all that replied. A club member (my local Mac guy) suggested getting the latest FTDI driver, which I did from Elecraft website link. I did change CONFIG/PTT settings to OFF-OFF. All ok. Tried starting Utility in SSB and CW mode with no errors. Reset CONFIG/PTT to RTS-DTR, all still ok. I think the driver did it. Now, question? If I set the PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF, can n1mm still use those lines to handle PTT and Keying? I assumed not, but…….. Thanks Guy(s) …/bill c nr4c On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: Make sure that the K3 CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF. This is to make sure that miscellaneous, not on purpose, states of DTR and RTS in the serial connection are not controlling the transmit and keying state of the K3. I'm not qualified to discuss how to turn off DTR and RTS on a Mac from the operating system. Better to set the K3 to not respond to those. Commonly, if used, DTR and RTS are controlled by applications running on the computer using a serial port to talk to the K3, but the state of those absent a program controlling them is unclear. N1MM logger and logger plus have a config setting to set up DTR and RTS for use or to force them to a given state. If you DO at some point decide to use DTR and RST for keying and/or PTT, you will have to completely understand and control those lines coming from the computer, be they Windows or Apple. Otherwise they should both be turned off in the K3 config. DTR and RTS are part of any serial connection, so this would be true as well using the new USB connection for K3/K3S. The DTR and RTS information from the computer still must either be managed or turned off in the config. The K3 manual version D10 has a discussion of these pinouts on page 18. 73, Guy. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote: I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
Correct, the driver did it. Apple provides a driver for FTDI-based USB-serial devices. That driver unconditionally asserts DTR and ignores attempts by applications to turn DTR off. When you install the FTDI-provided driver, it takes precedence over the Apple driver and behaves more responsibly. I filled a bug report about this; Apple marked it as a “duplicate” and closed it. Bill, K1GQ On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote: Reset CONFIG/PTT to RTS-DTR, all still ok. I think the driver did it. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
Make sure that the K3 CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF. This is to make sure that miscellaneous, not on purpose, states of DTR and RTS in the serial connection are not controlling the transmit and keying state of the K3. I'm not qualified to discuss how to turn off DTR and RTS on a Mac from the operating system. Better to set the K3 to not respond to those. Commonly, if used, DTR and RTS are controlled by applications running on the computer using a serial port to talk to the K3, but the state of those absent a program controlling them is unclear. N1MM logger and logger plus have a config setting to set up DTR and RTS for use or to force them to a given state. If you DO at some point decide to use DTR and RST for keying and/or PTT, you will have to completely understand and control those lines coming from the computer, be they Windows or Apple. Otherwise they should both be turned off in the K3 config. DTR and RTS are part of any serial connection, so this would be true as well using the new USB connection for K3/K3S. The DTR and RTS information from the computer still must either be managed or turned off in the config. The K3 manual version D10 has a discussion of these pinouts on page 18. 73, Guy. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Bill Conkling n...@widomaker.com wrote: I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play. Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX. Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again. Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above. I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help! Part 2) Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility. FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine. …bill c nr4c __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!
Hello to all This is Keith Robinson W4KTR Just starting to use my new K3s and having the same issue running Win 7. The radio goes into TX when the computer is turned off. This is of course when the CONFIG:PTT-KEY is selected as RTS-DTR. When selected as OFF-OFF there is no issue. Also and just as important to me is the fact that I don't seem to be able to get rig to play a DVK file went sent from Writelog or N1MM. I can send keyboard CW all day but no SSB messages. I can verify that the software is sending audio to the proper device, (2- USB Audio Codec). The radio goes into TX and stays till the file finishes playing but there is no audio output and the watt meter don't move.Got any ideas ?Help ! Thanks Keith Robinson W4KTR -Original Message- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 5:24 PM To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: Howard K6IA Elecraft Support ; elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode! We're going to try a firmware fix for this. Hopefully, a computer that's connected but turned off won't key the rig unintentionally, even with PTT or KEY in use from the port. I'll let you know. Wayne N6KR On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: Consider the FTDI driver as a program and part of the computer. If CONFIG:PTT-KEY is *not* OFF-OFF in the K3, then you have to exert knowledgeable control over the DTR/RTS states from the computer. Otherwise, turn them off so you don't get surprised. If PTT-KEY *is* OFF-OFF in the K3, then those states, from whatever source outside the K3, are ignored, period. 73, Guy K2AV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4...@charter.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
