Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
If the K4 had a built in display it would be cool to be able to use VNC to display it on a PC. Gregg W6IZT -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 11:37 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 Howdy Gang. I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. Still have my KX3 and KX2. I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db loss without the tuner in line. To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, made the disruptive change. IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front panel display. This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is breathtaking and extremely useful. So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? I’m ready for it…make it happen!! 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I aim > On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > > On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF >> rig purchase. While researching my options, I came across this >> comment on the Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that >> the next logical progression from the K3S might likely be something >> along the lines of a FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the >> discerning CW enthusiast. I'd personally love to see a K4 along those lines. >> Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failin >> gs >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Let's let the speculative K4 threads rest for now to relieve email overload for our other readers. Its has exceeded their threshold of pain. 73, Eric Mooderator /elecraft.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Amen. R. Kevin StoverAC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:57 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. This is not what is needed in a top of the line transceiver. Give me a 48V final capable of 200 W CW/SSB/FSK and forget about low power consumption portable operation. The KX2/K3/K3/K3S already serves the low power/portable niche. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-05-05 3:00 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal > PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. > > John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
I'm holding out for the KX9, the one with noetic circuits printed directly on the space-time continuum. It's fantastic, but the K9S has the hyperspatial roofing filter system that filters out bad intent from a CW sender's subconscious. On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:14 AM Gwen Patton wrote: > I'm holding out for the KX9, the one with noetic circuits printed directly > on the space-time continuum. It's fantastic, but the K9S has the > hyperspatial roofing filter system that filters out bad intent from a CW > sender's subconscious. > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:16 AM William Rascher > wrote: > >> K4? What a piece of junk. The KX5 will the ultimate radio! >> -- >> 73, Bill KT5TE >> >> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 7:46:34 PM CDT Bert wrote: >> > There are dreamers and there are dreamers! >> > >> > Bert VE3NR >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > -- > > -+-+-+-+- > Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time > http://quarktime.net > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
K4? What a piece of junk. The KX5 will the ultimate radio! -- 73, Bill KT5TE On Sunday, May 5, 2019 7:46:34 PM CDT Bert wrote: > There are dreamers and there are dreamers! > > Bert VE3NR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
This is really funny I think: Saturday we were sitting in a McDonalds waiting for a ham swap to open. Up drove a large SUV pulling a 24’ trailer and then pulled in two very new Jeeps all outfitted of off roading. I estimated that guys hobby (they were all alike and traveling as a group) probably cost him $100,000+ and in five or ten years he will probably sell it all for new stuff at a great loss. Any car you buy (or off road Jeep) depreciates a lot more rapidly than any of our ham gear. And we take better care of our ham gear. Dave K8WPE David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 AM, Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY) > wrote: > > > One of the nicest and funny message i ever read from an OM. ;-) > > Thanks Bob. > > Graziano IW2NOY > > Il 06/05/2019 03:37 Bob McGraw K4TAX ha scritto: >> That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within >> the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham >> radio station until I'm QRT. I used a P-Touch and put a nice label >> with the model, s/n, and price paid and my call on each of the boxes. >> I figure in the end some auctioneer will sell it for $0.01 on the >> dollar if lucky. "You know that McGraw fellow was one of them CB >> operators and had some weird looking equipment". And furthermore, >> for the same reason, I liquidated my shop test equipment. I wanted to >> enjoy the benefits of the money while still on the green side of the >> grass, as opposed to looking up at the roots from inside of a satin >> lined coffin. "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life >> here". Chuck me in the oven and toss my ashes to the wind. >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >>> On 5/5/2019 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: >>> K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. >>> K2's have held there value very well. >>> Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a >>> dumpster when you go permanent QRT. >>> Eric KE6US >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
One of the nicest and funny message i ever read from an OM. ;-) Thanks Bob. Graziano IW2NOY Il 06/05/2019 03:37 Bob McGraw K4TAX ha scritto: That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham radio station until I'm QRT. I used a P-Touch and put a nice label with the model, s/n, and price paid and my call on each of the boxes. I figure in the end some auctioneer will sell it for $0.01 on the dollar if lucky. "You know that McGraw fellow was one of them CB operators and had some weird looking equipment". And furthermore, for the same reason, I liquidated my shop test equipment. I wanted to enjoy the benefits of the money while still on the green side of the grass, as opposed to looking up at the roots from inside of a satin lined coffin. "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life here". Chuck me in the oven and toss my ashes to the wind. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 5/5/2019 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. K2's have held there value very well. Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market One of the things my mother taught me (she was an accountant) is that houses are not an investment, they are a HOME to be enjoyed. The same is true of things like radios -- that is, to be used and enjoyed. Either becomes a bad investment if we no longer enjoy them. I bought two K3s in 2008, and ten years later, I'm still quite happy with them, both because of their original quality and design, and because I've upgraded them with modules designed for the K3S. I've got "nearly K3S" radios for the added cost of less than $600 per radio (two RXs). 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham radio station until I'm QRT. I used a P-Touch and put a nice label with the model, s/n, and price paid and my call on each of the boxes. I figure in the end some auctioneer will sell it for $0.01 on the dollar if lucky. "You know that McGraw fellow was one of them CB operators and had some weird looking equipment". And furthermore, for the same reason, I liquidated my shop test equipment. I wanted to enjoy the benefits of the money while still on the green side of the grass, as opposed to looking up at the roots from inside of a satin lined coffin. "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life here". Chuck me in the oven and toss my ashes to the wind. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 5/5/2019 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. K2's have held there value very well. Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
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There are dreamers and there are dreamers! Bert VE3NR On 5/5/2019 8:02 PM, Richards wrote: "... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to once a K4 has spread its wings ?" About $15. Everyone will want the new model, so you won't get much for the old one! So ... Perhaps you should offer to sell your K3S to me now for as much as $100, and get it while the getting is good !!! ;-) ;-) OK? Besides, why do you think the K3S will lose ANY value with the introduction of a K4 model? The introduction of a new model does nothing to diminish the performance or value of an existing model, so the K3S should retain its current value after the introduction of a future K4 - it will do what it does for the price regardless of what new rig comes out. N'est ce pas ? Happy trails, Anonymous (K8JHR ) ___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
"... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to once a K4 has spread its wings ?" About $15. Everyone will want the new model, so you won't get much for the old one! So ... Perhaps you should offer to sell your K3S to me now for as much as $100, and get it while the getting is good !!! ;-) ;-) OK? Besides, why do you think the K3S will lose ANY value with the introduction of a K4 model? The introduction of a new model does nothing to diminish the performance or value of an existing model, so the K3S should retain its current value after the introduction of a future K4 - it will do what it does for the price regardless of what new rig comes out. N'est ce pas ? Happy trails, Anonymous (K8JHR ) ___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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First, radios are like government spending, neither are investments; stocks and bonds are investments. Radios are toys, so we need to examine how much money we can afford to squander on playthings. Sorry, I can't predict the future but I can examine the past. In 1998, I bought a Kenwood TS-870SAT. It set me back $2575. Contrast that to my first K3 purchased ten years later for $2100! I subsequently sold the Kenwood for a thousand bucks, making my cost of ownership (in constant dollars) $1575. Amortized over 10 years that came out to 13 bucks a month. Now if the Kenwood had completely failed after 10 years (it didn't it was flawless, more than I can say for my Elecrafts) my monthly cost would have skyrocketed to $21/month. Hardly something to fret about. Now I have the K3 sitting of the floor with a K3S on the desk. I have no idea what the K3 is worth, or how much the introduction of the K3S lowered its value because it doesn't matter, I don't intend to sell it; I've learned to have a backup. If a K4 comes out in my lifetime and lowers the value of the K3S, so be it. I'll play with it until then. Wes N7WS On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 (when you are SK)
Authors often have literary executors to deal with their papers when they die. I might suggest that all of us work out an arrangement where one or more hams are identified to help with gear dispersal after we are gone. Make sure the spouse and heirs are informed of this. David K0LUM > On May 5, 2019, at 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: > > Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster > when you go permanent QRT. > > Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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And it's best to remember that Elecraft rigs are products...perhaps tools, but not investments. Maybe 50 or 100 years from now, they will be "collectibles" and become an investment (of sorts) at that point. You might be spending your hard earned money on an Elecraft rig, but you are not investing. Investments either appreciate in value, return dividends, or both. 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 -Original Message- From: David Gilbert To: elecraft Sent: Sun, May 5, 2019 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 If you based your buying decision on whether or not it would hold value as an investment instead of whether or not it met your needs, then yes, I think you may not have properly considered everything. Dave AB7E On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: > Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the > K3S had established itself ? > > If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has > spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is > that going to push the venerable old K3? > > To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my > investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market > gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV > but clairvoyant predictions are welcome > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Elecraft has been good about keeping earlier products available, at least until some part becomes impossible for them to source. I sincerely hope the K3s remains among the product offerings, as a new bigger radio will be less suitable for some portable uses even if it is designesd with portability in mind. This would also help the resale value of the K3(s). Generally, I see Elecraft radios holding their value much better than other brands in the face of new model releases. 73, Erik K7TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. K2's have held there value very well. Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. Eric KE6US On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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If you based your buying decision on whether or not it would hold value as an investment instead of whether or not it met your needs, then yes, I think you may not have properly considered everything. Dave AB7E On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Here we go again with K4 Talk The "jury" seems split on touch-screen or manual controls. I suggest this as a compromise: Provide basic radio (say 50w with 13.8v output devices for portable use). I bought a K3/10 to start out. Then a KXPA100. Offer 200w 50v final as option. Basic radio would have manual controls like the K3/K3s. Offer a touch-screen option which would include P3 capability in a separate cabinet with mouse/keyboard I/F. Keep the firmware concept flexible with upgrades with an efficient cpu and OS. Have IQ baseband output for running various digital modes on customer's computers (maybe with wifi so one could use an ipad or equivalent). Or maybe bluetooth. I'm sure wireless is a rapidly changing field so will not speculate what would be best. USB computer I/F like the K3s 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I for one would not have a touch screen on a radio..Keep the radio as it is with add-ons..Come out with a touch screen like the P3 with added features. I like the fact you can add a keyboard now with the rig..Keep it modular where you can add it if want it..For god sake don't be like the others..THIS IS WHAT GOT YOU WHERE YOU ARE NOW!! Different and outstanding! 73s Bob W5RG On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 3:31:01 PM EDT, turnbull wrote: Wayne, Please keep it modular. This helps with price; building what one desires and repairability. The modular design of the K3/S allowed updates. Elecraft have master engineers. 100W is plenty for me. I can always add an amp. We are all different. Please stay with external power supplies.The large screen external VDU is excellent for the P3. I like the external P3. A panadaptor is not needed in many operations but it is a truly useful feature.Please keep the pod.Maybe there can be further enhancement for digi modes.You already have a great and probably the best radio. You are now climbing Everest good thing you like getting into the hills.GL 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/05/2019 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: pu...@af2z.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best!> > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs.Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items.Definitely.> I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig.We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three.73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. This is not what is needed in a top of the line transceiver. Give me a 48V final capable of 200 W CW/SSB/FSK and forget about low power consumption portable operation. The KX2/K3/K3/K3S already serves the low power/portable niche. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-05-05 3:00 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Wayne, Please keep it modular. This helps with price; building what one desires and repairability. The modular design of the K3/S allowed updates. Elecraft have master engineers. 100W is plenty for me. I can always add an amp. We are all different. Please stay with external power supplies.The large screen external VDU is excellent for the P3. I like the external P3. A panadaptor is not needed in many operations but it is a truly useful feature.Please keep the pod.Maybe there can be further enhancement for digi modes.You already have a great and probably the best radio. You are now climbing Everest good thing you like getting into the hills.GL 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/05/2019 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: pu...@af2z.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best!> > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs.Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items.Definitely.> I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig.We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three.73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Many HAMs use transceiver with language barrier. That goes so far that they use it with one setup, that might be the wrong one for a given frequency or antenna or mode. With Windows they choose their own language when they set up the PC to make the life easier. That may not work every time, like my case I could not set up Fldigi on Hungarian keyboard PC though W10 was English. So moved to a second PC. With SDR trx that option will never happen so they insist on simple radios, asking for manual translation For those a very simple menu system is welcome. K3 is a good, keep that practice, no multilevel menus are received well. Complicated SDR is not for them. Just thoughts. 73, István ha4zd __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Well said, Scott 73 K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 12:29 Scott Manthe wrote: > Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If > an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the > filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new > rig. However, I don't think you're going to see Elecraft doing what > every other company is doing. I for one don't want a transceiver > dependent on a computer, like the Flex, or a 55 pound behemoth like the > IC7600 or Kenwood TS990, etc. Lot's of people do, and those radios are > available to them. I don't think Elecraft is going to make one, though. > > I'm guessing the K4, or whatever Elecraft decides to call the new rig, > will be fully "modern," but stick with Elecraft's design and performance > principles. I have no idea what that will entail, but I'd bet we'll see > lots of modularity and terrific performance. > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > > On 5/5/19 11:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: > > 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while > I wait for the K4... > > > > John K7FD > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new rig. However, I don't think you're going to see Elecraft doing what every other company is doing. I for one don't want a transceiver dependent on a computer, like the Flex, or a 55 pound behemoth like the IC7600 or Kenwood TS990, etc. Lot's of people do, and those radios are available to them. I don't think Elecraft is going to make one, though. I'm guessing the K4, or whatever Elecraft decides to call the new rig, will be fully "modern," but stick with Elecraft's design and performance principles. I have no idea what that will entail, but I'd bet we'll see lots of modularity and terrific performance. 73, Scott N9AA On 5/5/19 11:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Most “pure” SDRs (using wideband direct sampling and no crystal filters) process all incoming receive samples in large packets.This provides some economies of scale for signal processing algorithms, but it does impact latency. In some cases the impact can be dramatic – like 100 to 200 ms QSK delays. An alternative is to process only the pan adapter data in large packets. If such data is only being used for a spectral display, the latency is not an issue. In CW mode or in other situations where latency must be low, time-domain DSP routines can optionally be used for processing data from the slices (signal channels) used for demodulation. Latency as low as just a few milliseconds is then possible, contingent on the level of filtering required. Filtering trade offs can be automated, e.g. in proportion to the QSK delay setting. Wayne elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > >> On 5/5/19 1:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Grant Youngman wrote: >>> Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, >>> now, clunky QSK? >> That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the >> frequency domain. > > Can you explain this a little more? It's probably clear to many, but not me. > :-) I think of 'channel' as the RF channel, but this is used differently. A > demod channel as opposed to what other sorts of channels? > > Also, since an fft/ifft change over between frequency and time is the norm in > SDRs, why does it matter at what point processing is performed? > > Not doubting, wanting to understand. Tnx es 73. > Mike ab3ap > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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using 50V devices... and predistortion..( probaby an internal upverter for the 50V) = very low distortion On 5/5/2019 1:04 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V power supply73,Gary K9GS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi Wayne, On 5/5/19 1:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Grant Youngman wrote: Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, now, clunky QSK? That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the frequency domain. Can you explain this a little more? It's probably clear to many, but not me. :-) I think of 'channel' as the RF channel, but this is used differently. A demod channel as opposed to what other sorts of channels? Also, since an fft/ifft change over between frequency and time is the norm in SDRs, why does it matter at what point processing is performed? Not doubting, wanting to understand. Tnx es 73. Mike ab3ap __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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How are you liking the radio performance wise? I assume you have a K3 with which to compare. Wes N7WS On 5/5/2019 8:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> Drew AF2Z wrote: > > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the > best! > > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really > looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are > inevitable in modern rigs. Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- > no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) > keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. Definitely. > I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power > consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't > mind a larger rig. We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V power supply73,Gary K9GS Original message From: Bert Craig Date: 5/5/19 11:52 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Rose , Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 Tnx Wayne! This is pretty much it in a nutshell. I appreciate this "designed-by-CW-ops" ideology.Vy 73 de BertWA2SI-Original Message-From: Wayne Burdick To: Rose Cc: Bert Craig , Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sun, 05 May 2019 11:40Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73,WayneN6KRelecraft.com> On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote:> > Bert,> > Then why not just purchase the Flex?> > 73 !> > K0PP> >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote:>> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig>> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the>> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical>> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a>> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd>> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions?>> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings>> >> Vy 73 de Bert>> WA2SI>> __>> Elecraft mailing list>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> > __> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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History is replete with examples of companies that refused, at their own peril, to embrace emerging technologies. This stubbornness, I suspect, was born out of a sense of technological arrogance. In the early 1970s, the Swiss watch industry, enamored with their mechanical movements, refused to embrace quartz technology. That decision would result in decades of rapidly declining Swiss watch sales. The ultimate irony is that today many Swiss watches make use of Citizen internal movements. Conversely, there are companies like Apple. Apple, was able to leverage existing technologies and make them “better” for their end-customer. In other words, confront the paradigm shift head-on, know what your end-customers will most value (even if they don’t know it today) and positively exploit the emerging technologies. Elecraft is more of an Apple than it is a Swiss watch company. I have no doubt they will positively exploit emerging technologies and deliver products with features that we haven’t even thought about today. Have faith, all. And, by the way, as we wait, we’ll just "have to live with" our worldclass transceivers; not a bad position to be in if you ask me. 73, Joe W1GO > On May 5, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the > best! > > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really > looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are > inevitable in modern rigs. And I don't care to have my rig dependent on a > computer either. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- > no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) > keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. A > slash command system like the old Lotus 123 spreadsheet of the 80's would be > highly efficient allowing access to any corner of the rig's control space > with just a few keystrokes. Also the possibility for the operator to > macro-tize everything to his heart's content... > > I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power > consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't > mind a larger rig. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Grant Youngman wrote: > >>> >>> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and >>> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW >>> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. >>> > > Lousy QSK makes it a non-starter. It certainly would for me :) > Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, > now, clunky QSK? That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the frequency domain. > And the Sun looks nice, but I would never buy a radio hanging its hat on > Microsoft, especially on Windows 10. Agreed. If a radio has an internal computer, it had better be transparent to the operator, including not taking forever to boot up and not being subject to problematic software upgrades. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Tnx Wayne! This is pretty much it in a nutshell. I appreciate this "designed-by-CW-ops" ideology. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI -Original Message- From: Wayne Burdick To: Rose Cc: Bert Craig , Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sun, 05 May 2019 11:40 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73, Wayne N6KR elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best! The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs. And I don't care to have my rig dependent on a computer either. I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. A slash command system like the old Lotus 123 spreadsheet of the 80's would be highly efficient allowing access to any corner of the rig's control space with just a few keystrokes. Also the possibility for the operator to macro-tize everything to his heart's content... I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig. 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/05/19 11:42, Dave Sublette wrote: My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer. This is ham RADIO, not ham computer. And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!! 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: Howdy Gang. I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. Still have my KX3 and KX2. I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db loss without the tuner in line. To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, made the disruptive change. IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front panel display. This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is breathtaking and extremely useful. So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? I’m ready for it…make it happen!! 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I aim On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: Bert, Then why not just purchase the Flex? 73 ! K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
>> >> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and >> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW >> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. >> Lousy QSK makes it a non-starter. Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, now, clunky QSK? And the Sun looks nice, but I would never buy a radio hanging its hat on Microsoft, especially on Windows 10. On buying that last retirement radio — I bought an Orion as my retirement radio. Then I bought an Orion II as my absolute last upgrade. Then I bought a well-appointed K3. It never really ends :-) A “breathtaking" display doesn’t necessarily make a radio any better. I guess if I'd come up in the iPhone generation I’d think differently about that. But we’ll see — a K4 would have to be a markedly better RADIO first. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD > On May 5, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: > > Howdy Gang. > > I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. > > Still have my KX3 and KX2. > > I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. > > But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and > used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW > characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. > > The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged > in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db > loss without the tuner in line. > > To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, > made the disruptive change. > > IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. > > Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. > > In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front > panel display. > > This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the > YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. > > While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is > breathtaking and extremely useful. > > So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? > > I’m ready for it…make it happen!! > >73, Joe W2KJ >I QRP, therefore I aim > > > >> On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: >> >> Bert, >> >> Then why not just purchase the Flex? >> >> 73 ! >> >> K0PP >> >>> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >>> >>> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >>> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >>> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >>> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >>> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >>> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >>> >>> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >>> >>> Vy 73 de Bert >>> WA2SI >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer. This is ham RADIO, not ham computer. And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!! 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: > Howdy Gang. > > I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. > > Still have my KX3 and KX2. > > I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. > > But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode > and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW > characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. > > The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was > engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed > to zero db loss without the tuner in line. > > To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their > wisdom, made the disruptive change. > > IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. > > Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. > > In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large > front panel display. > > This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the > YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. > > While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display > is breathtaking and extremely useful. > > So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? > > I’m ready for it…make it happen!! > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I aim > > > > > On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > > > Bert, > > > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > > > 73 ! > > > > K0PP > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > > > >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF > rig > >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on > the > >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical > >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a > >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd > >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? > >> > >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings > >> > >> Vy 73 de Bert > >> WA2SI > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73, Wayne N6KR elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Howdy Gang. I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. Still have my KX3 and KX2. I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db loss without the tuner in line. To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, made the disruptive change. IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front panel display. This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is breathtaking and extremely useful. So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? I’m ready for it…make it happen!! 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I aim > On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > > On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Bert, Then why not just purchase the Flex? 73 ! K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig > purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the > Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical > progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a > FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd > personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? > > https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
