Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Ok I just found this link: http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Cross-Band_Operation Which leads me to believe I was just on the same band when I saw my radio adeptly switching from one VFO to the other. Man not being able to have a different band on each VFO and easily switch between making contacts on each one really hinders the n1mm/k3/krx3 combo quite heavily. When I bought the KRX3 for FD this year that was one of the major reasons for my purchase... ~Brett On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
I've privately received several messages from some stating that they are holding off on buying the KRX3 until this cross band split works. Guess I wish I'd known that it wouldn't work before dropping an additional $1100 in KRX3 adn additional filters to have this capability for Field Day this year. Oh well at least the matching filters will allow for diversity receive. At least its Elecraft and I do know that this feature will some day be available. Now it just becomes a wait for this feature to bubble to the top of the list. Thanks to all who responded that they've been watching for this feature. ~Brett On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 00:25 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Ok I just found this link: http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Cross-Band_Operation Which leads me to believe I was just on the same band when I saw my radio adeptly switching from one VFO to the other. Man not being able to have a different band on each VFO and easily switch between making contacts on each one really hinders the n1mm/k3/krx3 combo quite heavily. When I bought the KRX3 for FD this year that was one of the major reasons for my purchase... ~Brett On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Yes, I too had the feeling that this used to work. Stewart G3RXQ On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:42:52 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Brett remember that the TX signal path in the K3 goes through the BPF and XFIL for VFO A only (which is why it works on the same band but not cross bands). To do what you want you need to swap A and B (i.e. touch A/B). Remember that the KRX3 only adds dual receiver capability...not dual transmit capability. If someone is waiting for dual transmit capability, they are in for a very long wait. :-) Of course they could also just buy another K3 for true SO2R capability. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SPL-N-A-with-everybody-on-CW--tp3123629p3124428.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band and sub on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always worked this way. The primary function of the N1MM Logger SO2V mode has always been to support in band SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters for the subreceiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW? Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we simply a firmware update away from being able to do what the 9000 can? It wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would simply operate A/B then TX then operate A/B again in quick succession and log it under the VFO B slot it could be a work around and then they could do that with many other radios. But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band split isn't possible with the current hardware. On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 09:19 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band and sub on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always worked this way. The primary function of the N1MM Logger SO2V mode has always been to support in band SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters for the subreceiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW? Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Whats to say that you couldn't enter into cross band split and then when ever you TX the rig quickly presses A/B then TXes then presses A/B again but simply displays like its TXing w/o moving freqs around and what not. You'd probably not be able to do QSK that way but it would add a really nice flexibility thats not yet already there. I'm somewhat surprised that N1MM hasn't tried to build this functionality in yet. On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 04:14 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote: Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Brett remember that the TX signal path in the K3 goes through the BPF and XFIL for VFO A only (which is why it works on the same band but not cross bands). To do what you want you need to swap A and B (i.e. touch A/B). Remember that the KRX3 only adds dual receiver capability...not dual transmit capability. If someone is waiting for dual transmit capability, they are in for a very long wait. :-) Of course they could also just buy another K3 for true SO2R capability. 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Brett Howard wrote: Whats to say that you couldn't enter into cross band split and then when ever you TX the rig quickly presses A/B then TXes then presses A/B again but simply displays like its TXing w/o moving freqs around and what not. You'd probably not be able to do QSK that way but it would add a really nice flexibility thats not yet already there. I'm somewhat surprised that N1MM hasn't tried to build this functionality in yet. I would imagine you might be able write a N1MM macro to do this. The K3 is always in SUB, never Split. When you click on B, N1MM could send A/B so that both RX and TX would be on VFO A (on the previous VFO B frequency on another band). To return to the original band, do it again. You might contact N1EU who is very knowledgeable about both N1MM and the K3: http://n1eu.com/K3/K3_subrx.htm (see SO2V) 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SPL-N-A-with-everybody-on-CW--tp3123629p3125372.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we simply a firmware update away from being able to do what the 9000 can? No, firmware can not change the signal flow in the K3 hardware that routes the transmit signal through circuitry (including roofing/bandpass filters) common to the main RX. It wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would simply operate A/B then TX then operate A/B again in quick succession and log it under the VFO B slot it could be a work around and then they could do that with many other radios. But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band split isn't possible with the current hardware. You could contact K3CT who has written most of the K3 support code in N1MM. However, most users would probably object to the constant flopping of VFOs and entry windows in N1MM Logger. SO2V is a unique operating style and was never intended to be a cheap man's SO2R. Since there isn't a single traditional transceiver - including the K3/KRX3 - that permits receiving on one receiver while transmitting on the other, SO2V is not a suitable substitute for SO2R anyway. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: Brett Howard [mailto:br...@livecomputers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:23 AM To: li...@subich.com Cc: 'Elecraft List' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW? But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we simply a firmware update away from being able to do what the 9000 can? It wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would simply operate A/B then TX then operate A/B again in quick succession and log it under the VFO B slot it could be a work around and then they could do that with many other radios. But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band split isn't possible with the current hardware. On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 09:19 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band and sub on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always worked this way. The primary function of the N1MM Logger SO2V mode has always been to support in band SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters for the subreceiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW? Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was working before! Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V. :( ~KC7OTG On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed, that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others. For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14 and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea. And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its above or below the main rx band. What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in many other areas. The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable, spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth of K3's? Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3. 73 Merv KH7C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Merv Schweigert wrote: I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed, that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others. For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14 and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea. And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its above or below the main rx band. What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in many other areas. The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable, spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth of K3's? Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3. You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not, then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SPL-N-A-with-everybody-on-CW--tp3123629p3126089.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Its not difficult to understand its just annoying. Essentially we're all in agreement that the radio can do it. I think that the firmware in the rig could actually make this happen 100% automatically. The only difference is that when operating cross band split you're going to have relays clicking when you tx. And depending on how its implemented to try and save the relays you may not be able to do QSK when using cross band split. I'd be 100% ok with those limitations but having to explain to someone how to hit A/B and then only log in VFO A because you can't transmit from VFO B is going to be a pain. Then when you explain to them well actually you can transmit from VFO B but only if they are both in the same band. Once you get used to how well it works when you've got both in the same band it would just be nice to do it cross band. At that point you've got pretty much an SO2R without the full duplex capability. I suppose maybe I can turn off the VFO IND feature when others run the radio but then they're going to think its lame in that when ever they change the band on one VFO the other one changes too... I've been looking into doing a macro and no matter what it seems like the macro is going to be somewhat annoying in that you'll have to see the switching and what not. Seems like without source code you're going to have to be manually executing these scripts too. So anything I end up with is going to be a kludge and the kludge will be just as hard to explain as manually pushing the buttons... Oh well. Maybe we'll have some of these features by next FD. If one is willing to put up with a bit of relay switch delay all of this is 100% possible. Now its just a matter of if enough people feel its worth it to step a little bit away from the current K3's operating convention and make it happen. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:15 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote: Merv Schweigert wrote: I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed, that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others. For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14 and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea. And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its above or below the main rx band. What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in many other areas. The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable, spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth of K3's? Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3. You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not, then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on. 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Perhaps not difficult to understand that is does not work easily and does not work as 1990 technology did? I can transmit on either VFO on the 1000D and I would bet that most other radios did also. To be confined to VFO A being the only transmit vfo makes things definitely annoying when trying to operate the radio on two bands. As I said some may not care at all, others do. 73 Merv KH7C Its not difficult to understand its just annoying. Essentially we're all in agreement that the radio can do it. I think that the firmware in the rig could actually make this happen 100% automatically. The only difference is that when operating cross band split you're going to have relays clicking when you tx. And depending on how its implemented to try and save the relays you may not be able to do QSK when using cross band split. I'd be 100% ok with those limitations but having to explain to someone how to hit A/B and then only log in VFO A because you can't transmit from VFO B is going to be a pain. Then when you explain to them well actually you can transmit from VFO B but only if they are both in the same band. Once you get used to how well it works when you've got both in the same band it would just be nice to do it cross band. At that point you've got pretty much an SO2R without the full duplex capability. I suppose maybe I can turn off the VFO IND feature when others run the radio but then they're going to think its lame in that when ever they change the band on one VFO the other one changes too... I've been looking into doing a macro and no matter what it seems like the macro is going to be somewhat annoying in that you'll have to see the switching and what not. Seems like without source code you're going to have to be manually executing these scripts too. So anything I end up with is going to be a kludge and the kludge will be just as hard to explain as manually pushing the buttons... Oh well. Maybe we'll have some of these features by next FD. If one is willing to put up with a bit of relay switch delay all of this is 100% possible. Now its just a matter of if enough people feel its worth it to step a little bit away from the current K3's operating convention and make it happen. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:15 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote: Merv Schweigert wrote: I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed, that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others. For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14 and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea. And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its above or below the main rx band. What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in many other areas. The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable, spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth of K3's? Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3. You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not, then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on. 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band. On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped A-B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
