Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra...OT

[K8TB]

I've taught two general and two extra class classes. I love doing 
it. I've also taught the tech class's, but the general and extra are 
fun. Those taking the class get very committed to not failing their 
classmates. Last Extra class I had 10 students, all ten took and passed, 
including one ham who is blind.
One of the best nights I've ever had in ham radio.

And yes, when asked about rigs, Elecraft comes up first!

   tom bosscher K8TB


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[John Lemay]

Guys

I wonder, could this qso return to the topic of Elecraft please ?

Many thanks

John G4ZTR


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
Sent: 11 March 2009 03:00
To: 'Dale Putnam'; d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net; Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


It was only one year Ron.  And that was before incentive licensing and the
Extra Class did not allow any additional privileges over a General Class
license

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 To: 'Dale Putnam' daleput...@hotmail.com, d...@w3fpr.com,
jwi...@alaska.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 7:54 PM
 Time was one could not even apply for an Extra class license
 until they had
 several years of on-air experience. 
 
 That's one requirement I'm sorry they dropped. 
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dale
 Putnam
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:11 PM
 To: d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 
 Hi Jim and Don,
 
  You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a bit... 
 
 Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was, it
 isn't held in as high
 esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license would
 hold much more,
 than the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I would
 find an Extra in
 the job app stack, and with a couple questions, be able to
 discern if it
 were a memo license, or the real deal...  .. understand
 this was then...
 and even now the license on the resume will still retain
 enough interest to
 inspire a question or two from the interviewer, and the
 more time in the
 interview
 
 thanks,
 
 
 
 --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[WILLIS COOKE]

Some people who own ELECRAFT products sure are grouchy and forgot how to use 
their delete key.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, John Lemay j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 From: John Lemay j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 To: wrco...@flash.net, 'Dale Putnam' daleput...@hotmail.com, 
 d...@w3fpr.com, jwi...@alaska.net, 'Ron D'Eau Claire' r...@cobi.biz
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:07 AM
 Guys
 
 I wonder, could this qso return to the topic of Elecraft
 please ?
 
 Many thanks
 
 John G4ZTR
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
 WILLIS COOKE
 Sent: 11 March 2009 03:00
 To: 'Dale Putnam'; d...@w3fpr.com;
 jwi...@alaska.net; Ron D'Eau Claire
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 
 It was only one year Ron.  And that was before incentive
 licensing and the
 Extra Class did not allow any additional privileges over a
 General Class
 license
 
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
 K5EWJ
 
 
 --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Ron D'Eau Claire
 r...@cobi.biz wrote:
 
  From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the
 Extra
  To: 'Dale Putnam'
 daleput...@hotmail.com, d...@w3fpr.com,
 jwi...@alaska.net
  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 7:54 PM
  Time was one could not even apply for an Extra class
 license
  until they had
  several years of on-air experience. 
  
  That's one requirement I'm sorry they dropped.
 
  
  Ron AC7AC
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
 Dale
  Putnam
  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:11 PM
  To: d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net
  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the
 Extra
  
  
  Hi Jim and Don,
  
   You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a
 bit... 
  
  Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was,
 it
  isn't held in as high
  esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license
 would
  hold much more,
  than the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I
 would
  find an Extra in
  the job app stack, and with a couple questions, be
 able to
  discern if it
  were a memo license, or the real deal...  ..
 understand
  this was then...
  and even now the license on the resume will still
 retain
  enough interest to
  inspire a question or two from the interviewer, and
 the
  more time in the
  interview
  
  thanks,
  
  
  
  --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
  
  
   
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Mike Harris]

G'day,

I have great sympathy with G4ZTR and will make my comment to Eric.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO
K2/100 #1400
K3/100 #345

- Original Message - 
From: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@flash.net
To: 'Dale Putnam' daleput...@hotmail.com; d...@w3fpr.com; 
jwi...@alaska.net; 'Ron D'Eau Claire' r...@cobi.biz; John Lemay 
j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


|
| Some people who own ELECRAFT products sure are grouchy and forgot how to 
use their delete key.
|
| Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
| K5EWJ
|
|
| --- On Wed, 3/11/09, John Lemay j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
|
|  From: John Lemay j...@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk
|  Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
|  To: wrco...@flash.net, 'Dale Putnam' daleput...@hotmail.com, 
d...@w3fpr.com, jwi...@alaska.net, 'Ron D'Eau Claire' r...@cobi.biz
|  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
|  Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:07 AM
|  Guys
| 
|  I wonder, could this qso return to the topic of Elecraft
|  please ?
| 
|  Many thanks
| 
|  John G4ZTR
| 
| 
|  -Original Message-
|  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
|  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
|  WILLIS COOKE
|  Sent: 11 March 2009 03:00
|  To: 'Dale Putnam'; d...@w3fpr.com;
|  jwi...@alaska.net; Ron D'Eau Claire
|  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
|  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
| 
| 
|  It was only one year Ron.  And that was before incentive
|  licensing and the
|  Extra Class did not allow any additional privileges over a
|  General Class
|  license
| 
|  Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
|  K5EWJ
| 
| 
|  --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Ron D'Eau Claire
|  r...@cobi.biz wrote:
| 
|   From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
|   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the
|  Extra
|   To: 'Dale Putnam'
|  daleput...@hotmail.com, d...@w3fpr.com,
|  jwi...@alaska.net
|   Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
|   Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 7:54 PM
|   Time was one could not even apply for an Extra class
|  license
|   until they had
|   several years of on-air experience.
|  
|   That's one requirement I'm sorry they dropped.
| 
|  
|   Ron AC7AC
|  
|  
|  
|  
|   -Original Message-
|   From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
|   [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
|  Dale
|   Putnam
|   Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:11 PM
|   To: d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net
|   Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
|   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the
|  Extra
|  
|  
|   Hi Jim and Don,
|  
|You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a
|  bit...
|  
|   Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was,
|  it
|   isn't held in as high
|   esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license
|  would
|   hold much more,
|   than the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I
|  would
|   find an Extra in
|   the job app stack, and with a couple questions, be
|  able to
|   discern if it
|   were a memo license, or the real deal...  ..
|  understand
|   this was then...
|   and even now the license on the resume will still
|  retain
|   enough interest to
|   inspire a question or two from the interviewer, and
|  the
|   more time in the
|   interview
|  
|   thanks,
|  
|  
|  
|   --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Steve Ellington]

44 replies to one OT post. Pretty good trolling!

Steve Ellington
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that 
 I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my 
 license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra [END of Thread]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Its time to end the threads on Extra Class etc. We are exceeding the list 
threshold for OT posts.

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dale Putnam]

Hey James, 

  You're doing great! Welcome, and jump in. If you hear me... give a call, I'll 
match your speed. Love to chat.

Good going, getting your extra is wonderful, opens another door. One more 
thing, always mention it on your resume. I've interviewed aspiring tech 
applicants, many times, the addition of the license, is indicative of 
additional interest and usually will be a good addition to the staff. The 
additional questions during the interview allow you that extra minute or two or 
more, to plead your case for hire. 

 Good luck, 

--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Greg Buhyoff]

Just wanted to pass along my congratulations as well.  I recall very
well the day I passed my Extra class and how exciting it was.  For me,
it was even more motivation to be the best I could be at whatever it
was I doing with regard to amateur radio.  And, I am still not the
best I can be at anything.  It is a continual journey and that is what
makes this hobby so much fun.  Again, congratulations and I hope to
run into you on the air whether it be CW, SSB or whatever and it is
the whatever that is important.  Go for whatever it is that you wish
to accomplish and it is nice to hear that CW strikes your fancy.  Even
if it didn't there is so much you can do and contribute to others.

vy 73, Greg K2UM
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Adam Koczarski]

Congratulations! I just received my ARRL Extra Class study book yesterday
and hope to one day post a similar message to the reflector. 

I originally intended to just get a Technician license a few years ago so I
could use 2m on my motorcycle. I had such a great time I went and took the
General test the following month. Didn't use it for 2 years and then finally
got an HF antenna up in October and used an old ICOM transceiver borrowed
from a friend. The K3 was purchased a few months later. Now I'm studying for
the Extra Class. Guess I'm hooked.

Adam - ka7ark

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 boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:59 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 Hello fellow Elecrafters,
 
 
 
 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you
 that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my
 license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Darwin, Keith]

It was exciting, years ago, when I upgraded to General (at the FCC
office) and was a lot of work to get Advanced, but I found Extra to be
rather anti-climatic.  After passing the Advanced written test, I found
the Extra written to be somewhat unchallenging.  While waiting for the
Advanced test to be given, I took and accidentally passed the 20 wpm
code test.  A month later, I passed the Extra theory and that was that.
My license upgrades had come to an end.

Looking back, I'm glad to have my Extra.  It makes life much easier.
Still, these days, I spend most of my time in the General portion of the
CW subband.

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 - 

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[W5CEM]

Still, these days, I spend most of my time in the General portion of the
CW subband.

That statement by Keith says a lot.  Sure we studied and earned the
privilige for the extra slice of spectrum.  But very little do I operate in
the EXTRA ONLY portions of the band.  There is so many more folks out there
in the General portion, it too is where I hang out, both on CW and SSB!  But
at least at FD, with me as the head honcho, we can go wherever we want...

CONGRATS...and to the fellow who is stymied by the EXTRA technical stuff.  I
was too, but realized there is no way I could learn it all.  You can miss 13
questions, so I just sorta tried to learn the majority parts of it.  And
sure enuf, I missed the questions on the stuff I did not know.  But it was
more than enuf to PASS.  And no one ever asks how many questions did you
answer correctly in a QSO!  

I just love this hobby...

And of course my K3#1931

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Darwin, Keith]

-Original Message-

 Still, these days, I spend most of my time in the General portion of
the CW subband.

That statement by Keith says a lot.  Sure we studied and earned the
privilige for the extra slice of spectrum.  But very little do I operate
in the EXTRA ONLY portions of the band.  There is so many more folks out
there in the General portion, it too is where I hang out, both on CW and
SSB!  



Actually, when I first upgraded I went straight to the lower 25 Khz and
stayed there.  My ham world shrunk to a small sliver of each band.
Before long I had gotten bored with ham radio.

It wasn't until I got back into CW for fun using straight keys  bugs
and I got out of the lower 25 Khz, that I began to have fun again!

I still check the lower 25 when I'm fishing for DX but that's about it.

- Keith N1AS -
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604]

   Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
   From: W5CEM cl...@dallassound.tv

   CONGRATS...and to the fellow who is stymied by the EXTRA technical stuff.  I
   was too, but realized there is no way I could learn it all.  You can miss 13
   questions, so I just sorta tried to learn the majority parts of it.  And
   sure enuf, I missed the questions on the stuff I did not know.  But it was
   more than enuf to PASS.  And no one ever asks how many questions did you
   answer correctly in a QSO!  

That's one approach- I took the opportunity to learn stuff that was
hard, and I was probably never going to use (unfortunately, some of it
has slipped my mind since).

I just studied for and took some commercial radio license exams, that
I'm probably never going to use, but the studying process was as much
the goal as learning this interesting stuff.  And the piece of paper
on the wall means as much as the rest of the wallpaper and plaques
I've gotten from this hobby.

And I keep thinking I'm going to get over the CW obstacle.

73, doug

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I passed the Extra back in the 1970's. Twenty years later my local Ham club
was looking for license class instructors. I thought it'd be fun to do a
whiz-bang demo of basic circuit theory for new Novices or Techs. 

But they wanted someone to teach Extra theory. Okay, that's what they needed
and I was there to help. 

Had I known what I was getting into I might not have been so agreeable.
(Isn't that true of most things?) I suspect I learned a lot more than my
students. I've always subscribed to the theory that a good teacher has to
know at least 10X what he/she intends to teach so I was soon digging through
piles of texts on the various subjects touched upon in the study guide - and
the Extra exams had changed greatly since I passed the test. 

It's said that we teach what we, ourselves, most need to learn. It was a
real boon to me. Not just in getting 'up to date' but I got a real feeling
of satisfaction to hear from each student as he/she passed the Extra test. 

So, if want to learn and the opportunity arises to help someone pass the
test...

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
That's one approach- I took the opportunity to learn stuff that was
hard, and I was probably never going to use (unfortunately, some of it
has slipped my mind since).


73, doug


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Jim Wiley]

So, Ron, what do you think of the Extra exam today?  Is it watered 
down from what you remember (not counting the fact that we no longer 
have a code exam or a requirement to draw schematic diagrams)?  I would 
be interested in your honest assessment, mostly because I am curious, 
and also because I am one of the members of the NCVEC Question Pool 
Committee that wrote the questions for the current pool.   We always 
value comments (good or bad) from instructors, as it gives us an 
opportunity to fine tune the pools to better reach our intended audience. 


If something is too easy, we need to know that, and conversely, if 
something is too difficult or obscure, we need to know that too.   
Mostly, we care whether or not, in your opinion, a person who passes the 
exam is prepared to assume the responsibilities of the license.  Not an 
expert, to be sure, but with a clear understanding of the rules and 
privileges, as well as the technical challenges presented by the license.


However, be careful when evaluating the questions, because it is easy to 
forget that persons such as yourself tend to have years of experience, 
and the person taking the test probably doesn't have anything like that 
to fall back on.  In other words, an exam question or concept that is 
dead nuts easy for you because you have been using that formula or 
method every day may be brand new (and difficult to grasp) for a person 
taking the exam.  Consider each question as if you had never, or at 
least only in the briefest sense,  encountered that particular subject 
before.


And yes, every time I teach a class, I learn a whole bunch more than the 
students! Whoever said that the best way to really learn a subject was 
to teach it hit the nail on the head!  Oh, and by the way, I passed my 
Extra in the early 70's too.  I was originally licensed as a novice in 
1959, then onward to Tech a year later, then General about 2 years after 
that, then Advanced in the late 60's.  Getting to be an OF. 

 
Thanks.


- Jim, KL7CC



Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 I passed the Extra back in the 1970's. Twenty years later my local Ham club
 was looking for license class instructors. I thought it'd be fun to do a
 whiz-bang demo of basic circuit theory for new Novices or Techs. 

 But they wanted someone to teach Extra theory. Okay, that's what they needed
 and I was there to help. 

 Had I known what I was getting into I might not have been so agreeable.
 (Isn't that true of most things?) I suspect I learned a lot more than my
 students. I've always subscribed to the theory that a good teacher has to
 know at least 10X what he/she intends to teach so I was soon digging through
 piles of texts on the various subjects touched upon in the study guide - and
 the Extra exams had changed greatly since I passed the test. 

 It's said that we teach what we, ourselves, most need to learn. It was a
 real boon to me. Not just in getting 'up to date' but I got a real feeling
 of satisfaction to hear from each student as he/she passed the Extra test. 

 So, if want to learn and the opportunity arises to help someone pass the
 test...

 Ron AC7AC

   
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Don Wilhelm]

Jim,

If I can jump in here with some comments please.

The current Extra class (and all other classes as well) are more 
oriented toward operating practices than to detailed technical 
knowledge.  Basic electrical laws and knowledge are not really required 
to pass the test.  So, questions about ohms law or how to calculate 
power can be ignored if the applicant can excel at answering all the 
questions about operating and FCC rules correctly.

I cannot judge whether this is all good or bad, but the engineer in me 
says that the Extra class candidate should possess at least some 
knowledge of basic electrical laws, formulas and circuits - that is what 
sets the Extra class apart from the other license classes.

Quite another point is the multiple choice question format - it is an 
easy matter for those with a good memory to simply memorize the question 
pool with no understanding of the principles behind the questions.  To 
really administer a test with drawings and other facets that communicate 
a knowledge of the subject requires examiners who will impartially 
evaluate the tests with the many variants that can arise from different 
applicants - it requires informed judgment, and that is not a task that 
can be trusted to the current group of VEs since they are not trained 
that way.

So I see the exam as sitting between a 'rock and a hard place'.  
Decisions must be made for the sake of both the applicants and the 
examiners.

The majority of new Extra Class hams are no longer the experimenting 
kind, but they should be informed operators, and (much to my 
disappointment) they are not the 'techies' of electronics that the Extra 
class licensees used to be.

It is obvious from some of the questions posed by Extra Class hams that 
they simply memorized the question pool rather than attempting to 
understand the basic principles, and that part is saddening to me.  
Unfortunately, I do not know of an easy cure other than reverting to the 
qualified FCC examiners of old times.

73,
Don W3FPR

Jim Wiley wrote:
 So, Ron, what do you think of the Extra exam today?  Is it watered 
 down from what you remember (not counting the fact that we no longer 
 have a code exam or a requirement to draw schematic diagrams)?  I would 
 be interested in your honest assessment, mostly because I am curious, 
 and also because I am one of the members of the NCVEC Question Pool 
 Committee that wrote the questions for the current pool.   We always 
 value comments (good or bad) from instructors, as it gives us an 
 opportunity to fine tune the pools to better reach our intended audience. 


 If something is too easy, we need to know that, and conversely, if 
 something is too difficult or obscure, we need to know that too.   
 Mostly, we care whether or not, in your opinion, a person who passes the 
 exam is prepared to assume the responsibilities of the license.  Not an 
 expert, to be sure, but with a clear understanding of the rules and 
 privileges, as well as the technical challenges presented by the license.


 However, be careful when evaluating the questions, because it is easy to 
 forget that persons such as yourself tend to have years of experience, 
 and the person taking the test probably doesn't have anything like that 
 to fall back on.  In other words, an exam question or concept that is 
 dead nuts easy for you because you have been using that formula or 
 method every day may be brand new (and difficult to grasp) for a person 
 taking the exam.  Consider each question as if you had never, or at 
 least only in the briefest sense,  encountered that particular subject 
 before.


 And yes, every time I teach a class, I learn a whole bunch more than the 
 students! Whoever said that the best way to really learn a subject was 
 to teach it hit the nail on the head!  Oh, and by the way, I passed my 
 Extra in the early 70's too.  I was originally licensed as a novice in 
 1959, then onward to Tech a year later, then General about 2 years after 
 that, then Advanced in the late 60's.  Getting to be an OF. 

  
 Thanks.


 - Jim, KL7CC



 Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
   
 I passed the Extra back in the 1970's. Twenty years later my local Ham club
 was looking for license class instructors. I thought it'd be fun to do a
 whiz-bang demo of basic circuit theory for new Novices or Techs. 

 But they wanted someone to teach Extra theory. Okay, that's what they needed
 and I was there to help. 

 Had I known what I was getting into I might not have been so agreeable.
 (Isn't that true of most things?) I suspect I learned a lot more than my
 students. I've always subscribed to the theory that a good teacher has to
 know at least 10X what he/she intends to teach so I was soon digging through
 piles of texts on the various subjects touched upon in the study guide - and
 the Extra exams had changed greatly since I passed the test. 

 It's said that we teach what we, ourselves, most need to learn. It was a
 real boon to me. Not 

Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dale Putnam]

Hi Jim and Don,

 You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a bit... 

Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was, it isn't held in as high 
esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license would hold much more, than 
the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I would find an Extra in the job 
app stack, and with a couple questions, be able to discern if it were a memo 
license, or the real deal...  .. understand this was then... and even now the 
license on the resume will still retain enough interest to inspire a question 
or two from the interviewer, and the more time in the interview

thanks,



--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

My response to your question, Jim, echoes Don's. 

I expected to teach electronics - basic RF and dc circuits - and ended up
studying all about various operating practices I had never explored. Things
like satellite communications (including calculating orbits) and a whole
bunch of digital modes. 

I don't recall anything in the Extra test that would qualify the individual
to work on a rig, much less troubleshoot or design a basic rig like we had
in years previously.

But that's not limited to Ham tests. Years ago I obtained a commercial
radiotelegraph license - the license required to operate CW at shore
stations and aboard ships. It was heavy with questions testing my knowledge
of RF circuits and how to properly adjust, troubleshoot and repair
transmitters and receivers. More recently, I obtained GMDSS operator's and
maintainer's licenses. GMDSS is what replaced the radio officer and his CW
rig on ships. It replaced CW on 600 meters with SSB on the short waves as
the primary means of communicating with shore and other vessels in an
emergency. Again, there was nothing asked of circuit knowledge as in the
former radiotelegraph licenses. Instead, it was all about interfacing
boxes and how to troubleshoot problems in digital systems (including
demonstrating the ability to convert between Binary, HEX, Octal and decimal
number systems using a pencil (no calculators). On the operating side were
extensive questions about how to choose the best frequency across the HF
spectrum to communicate over the required distance depending upon the time
of day and point in the sunspot cycles, etc. 

Radiomen (and women) today - Amateur and Commercial - are no longer
expected to know much about what goes on under the hood of the gear, even
those licensed to maintain critical systems. Maintenance has become a
process of diagnosing which pc board or box has failed and replacing it. 

That doesn't mean that it's not important for *someone* to know how circuits
work, just that the FCC is no longer testing for that knowledge. 

Ron AC7AC

   

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Time was one could not even apply for an Extra class license until they had
several years of on-air experience. 

That's one requirement I'm sorry they dropped. 

Ron AC7AC




-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dale Putnam
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:11 PM
To: d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


Hi Jim and Don,

 You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a bit... 

Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was, it isn't held in as high
esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license would hold much more,
than the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I would find an Extra in
the job app stack, and with a couple questions, be able to discern if it
were a memo license, or the real deal...  .. understand this was then...
and even now the license on the resume will still retain enough interest to
inspire a question or two from the interviewer, and the more time in the
interview

thanks,



--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[WILLIS COOKE]

It was only one year Ron.  And that was before incentive licensing and the 
Extra Class did not allow any additional privileges over a General Class license

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 To: 'Dale Putnam' daleput...@hotmail.com, d...@w3fpr.com, 
 jwi...@alaska.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 7:54 PM
 Time was one could not even apply for an Extra class license
 until they had
 several years of on-air experience. 
 
 That's one requirement I'm sorry they dropped. 
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dale
 Putnam
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:11 PM
 To: d...@w3fpr.com; jwi...@alaska.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 
 Hi Jim and Don,
 
  You hit it on the head Don, and if I may, add a bit... 
 
 Because the Extra test isn't as techie as it was, it
 isn't held in as high
 esteem as it has. In some circles, the Extra license would
 hold much more,
 than the Commercial First would, in years gone by. I would
 find an Extra in
 the job app stack, and with a couple questions, be able to
 discern if it
 were a memo license, or the real deal...  .. understand
 this was then...
 and even now the license on the resume will still retain
 enough interest to
 inspire a question or two from the interviewer, and the
 more time in the
 interview
 
 thanks,
 
 
 
 --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Bruce McLaughlin]

I couldn't agree with you more, Dick.  What really impresses me is the
number of obviously new extras I hear on the air sending very slow speed CW.
It almost sounds like the old novice band.  Obviously, they are learning CW,
much like many of us learned CW by finding the courage to practice new found
skills during on the air qsos.  My hat is off to those operators.  They are
attempting to become proficient in CW not because they were required to but
because they really want to.  That is real motivation and they should be
congratulated for it.  Come on, the CW versus no CW war is long over.  Times
change.  Need change.  It's way past time for us to also change.

Bruce-W8FU

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:39 PM
To: 'Dick Grolleman'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Since the code test is no longer administered, even if one were to request
it, it's a bit of a flame-bait question.  What choice would he have?

He's accomplished a meaningful milestone.  Congratulations!

Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Grolleman
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 12:51 PM
To: James Sarte; 'Mike B'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?

73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
also Extra

- Original Message - 
From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: 'Mike B' kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for your email.  Good deal on the brownie points!  I however, even 
 as
 a new Extra don't impress some of my colleagues at work.  One of them is 
 the
 station master for 4UN1UN (I work at the UN), so I have a lot to live up
 too!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike B
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:31 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Congratulations, James!  It's a definite accomplishment, and one to be 
 proud
 of.
 Heck, I even put it on my resume!  (I found out after being hired in my
 current
 position that my boss is a Tech-class, so having an Extra-class was a
 definite
 brownie point.)

 73,

 Mike
 KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Bruce McLaughlin]

Congratulations James on your fine accomplishment.  I hope to find you on
the air one of these days very soon.  Enjoy your new privileges.

Bruce-W8FU

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Hello fellow Elecrafters,

 

Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
info updated on the ULS within a few days!

 

73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[KC2UEE]

Hi gang,

Just so you all know, I am in the process of learning CW.   Not because I
have too as someone else mentioned, but because I want to learn something
that I feel is an integral part of the amateur experience.

Hopefully within a few months, I'll be proficient enough to send and copy at
15wpm.  I'm actually learning at 25wpm, but I don't want to burn myself out
too quickly.

Interestingly enough, I actually find it easier learning the alphabet for
how it sounds as a complete letter, and not as dots and dashes.  Hopefully
if I get good enough, I can decipher entire words just by how the string of
code sounds instead of listening for each letter and copying that way.

73,
James KC2UEE

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bruce McLaughlin bmcla...@bex.net wrote:

 Congratulations James on your fine accomplishment.  I hope to find you on
 the air one of these days very soon.  Enjoy your new privileges.

 Bruce-W8FU

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 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[gdaught6]

James wrote...

 Just so you all know, I am in the process of learning CW.   

Good on you!!

 Hopefully within a few months, I'll be proficient enough to send and copy at
 15wpm.  I'm actually learning at 25wpm, but I don't want to burn myself out
 too quickly.

A couple of weeks should have you completely familiar with Morse code and going 
10 wpm or more.

 Interestingly enough, I actually find it easier learning the alphabet for
 how it sounds as a complete letter, and not as dots and dashes. 

Very definitely Don't even think of dots and dashes, or of shorts and 
longs.  Think 
of it as learning an alphabet (which you already know!) of sounds which is all 
you 
have to learn  Instead of a visible written symbol for the letter, you're 
learning an 
audible pattern for the letter.  

An e sounds like dit.  A t sounds like dah.  An i is didit and NOT 
dit 
dit.   didah is an a... etc.

Some people learned by little phrases that sound like the characters.  Example: 
Charlie got it (dahdidahdit = c, or charlie)  This requires translating 
the sound 
into a phrase, then translating the phrase into the letter.  That's an extra 
mental step 
and I don't recommend it. 

  Hopefully
 if I get good enough, I can decipher entire words just by how the string of
 code sounds instead of listening for each letter and copying that way.

That will come eventually, once you are completely familiar with the alphabet, 
numerals, and a few punctuation marks.

Most of all, it's practice that makes perfect... unfortunately true here, too.

GL es 73,


George T Daughters, K6GT
CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
October 3-4, 2009


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[djmd]

gdaught6 wrote:
 
 Some people learned by little phrases that sound like the characters. 
 Example: 
 Charlie got it (dahdidahdit = c, or charlie)  This requires
 translating the sound 
 into a phrase, then translating the phrase into the letter.  That's an
 extra mental step 
 and I don't recommend it. 
 


I couldn't agree more here. I learned some of these and feel they are a
crutch, as I'm having a hard time breaking the 13wpm barrier. Especially
L I think it might have been on the 5wpm Gordon West tape, he said to
think of 'la LA la la.' Works great for 5wpm! But not at 20. I can hardly
hear an L and not say that in my head while the next character is coming at
me. I seriously wish I could erase all the code in my head and start from
scratch at a faster speed. Retraining is really hard!

Congrats on the extra... that's fantastic! My goal is to take the exam at
Dayton this year, but the more advanced electronic theory is eating me
alive.



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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[JIM DAVIS]

On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:48:59 -0400
  KC2UEE kc2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi gang,
 
 Just so you all know, I am in the process of learning CW.   Not because I
 have too as someone else mentioned, but because I want to learn something
 that I feel is an integral part of the amateur experience.
 
 Hopefully within a few months, I'll be proficient enough to send and copy at
 15wpm.  I'm actually learning at 25wpm, but I don't want to burn myself out
 too quickly.
 
 Interestingly enough, I actually find it easier learning the alphabet for
 how it sounds as a complete letter, and not as dots and dashes.  Hopefully
 if I get good enough, I can decipher entire words just by how the string of
 code sounds instead of listening for each letter and copying that way.
 
 73,
 James KC2UEE
 
 On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bruce McLaughlin bmcla...@bex.net wrote:
 
 Congratulations James on your fine accomplishment.  I hope to find you on
 the air one of these days very soon.  Enjoy your new privileges.

 Bruce-W8FU

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Too bad James that you did'nt bother to learn Intl. morse earlier when you 
were younger and your
mind was'nt MUSH!!!  Seriously a lot of us had told people time and time 
again to learn it 
earlier, but to no avail!  Now all of a sudden you and OTHERS understand about 
the WORTH of CW!!!

It's We told you-so scenario isn't it???

Regards,

Jim/nn6ee
S/N#2406

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[David Gilbert]

Wow ... that sure sounds condescending, aside from being inaccurate.  
According to various online references, the guy is 30 years old and was 
first licensed Nov 17, 2008.

Dave   AB7E



JIM DAVIS wrote:
 Too bad James that you did'nt bother to learn Intl. morse earlier when you 
 were younger and your
 mind was'nt MUSH!!!  Seriously a lot of us had told people time and time 
 again to learn it 
 earlier, but to no avail!  Now all of a sudden you and OTHERS understand 
 about the WORTH of CW!!!

 It's We told you-so scenario isn't it???

 Regards,

 Jim/nn6ee
 S/N#2406

   
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Jim]

All of this reminds me of one applicant for his amateur license a few years 
back, a little before the FCC eliminated the CW requirement.  He did pass the 
Technician test with no problem and could use that license.  He then took and 
passed the General and the Extra tests.  Both of those he passed.  He still 
needed the CW element.  He would show up at the test session I helped with each 
month and try at least three or four times before going home to study some 
more.  The last time he came to the session, he said that he really had to pass 
the CW at that session because his 365 day window would expire on Saturday (the 
test session was on Thursday).  An hour later the VE that administered the CW 
part of the tests came back in with the new operator and said that we had a new 
Extra.

73,
Jim KD5VXH


 JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote: 
 On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:48:59 -0400
   KC2UEE kc2...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi gang,
  
  Just so you all know, I am in the process of learning CW.   Not because I
  have too as someone else mentioned, but because I want to learn something
  that I feel is an integral part of the amateur experience.
  
  Hopefully within a few months, I'll be proficient enough to send and copy at
  15wpm.  I'm actually learning at 25wpm, but I don't want to burn myself out
  too quickly.
  
  Interestingly enough, I actually find it easier learning the alphabet for
  how it sounds as a complete letter, and not as dots and dashes.  Hopefully
  if I get good enough, I can decipher entire words just by how the string of
  code sounds instead of listening for each letter and copying that way.
  
  73,
  James KC2UEE
  
  On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bruce McLaughlin bmcla...@bex.net wrote:
  
  Congratulations James on your fine accomplishment.  I hope to find you on
  the air one of these days very soon.  Enjoy your new privileges.
 
  Bruce-W8FU
 
  -Original Message-
  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
  Hello fellow Elecrafters,
 
 
 
  Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
  passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
  info updated on the ULS within a few days!
 
 
 
  73,
 
  James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
 
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 Too bad James that you did'nt bother to learn Intl. morse earlier when you 
 were younger and your
 mind was'nt MUSH!!!  Seriously a lot of us had told people time and time 
 again to learn it 
 earlier, but to no avail!  Now all of a sudden you and OTHERS understand 
 about the WORTH of CW!!!
 
 It's We told you-so scenario isn't it???
 
 Regards,
 
 Jim/nn6ee
 S/N#2406
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Kevin Rock]

I am glad this story had a happy ending!  CW is just so much fun I think this 
person will indeed enjoy it, maybe even more than others who learned the code 
more easily.  

When I started the Elecraft CW Net I was very much a beginner.  However I 
ignored the fact that I was as unskilled as I was.  I learned ;)  I also got 
better; somewhat incrementally.  Please remember that we do slow down to 
whatever speed necessary to make a contact.  Just toss out your call at the ? K 
and we will respond at the speed you sent it.  Tom's style varies from mine but 
he slows just as rapidly and is as happy to meet a new CW operator as I am.  

CW - the original digital mode.
   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS



-Original Message-
From: Jim jamesg...@charter.net
Sent: Mar 9, 2009 8:11 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

All of this reminds me of one applicant for his amateur license a few years 
back, a little before the FCC eliminated the CW requirement.  He did pass the 
Technician test with no problem and could use that license.  He then took and 
passed the General and the Extra tests.  Both of those he passed.  He still 
needed the CW element.  He would show up at the test session I helped with 
each month and try at least three or four times before going home to study 
some more.  The last time he came to the session, he said that he really had 
to pass the CW at that session because his 365 day window would expire on 
Saturday (the test session was on Thursday).  An hour later the VE that 
administered the CW part of the tests came back in with the new operator and 
said that we had a new Extra.

73,
Jim KD5VXH
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[James Sarte]

Yes I'm only 30.  I got my first ticket last November.  I still have a lot
to learn; CW being one of them.  Thankfully, there are a lot of helpful
people out there that have been more than willing to point me in the right
direction.  I'm truly grateful.

 

73,

James KC2UEE

 

 

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From: David Gilbert [mailto:xda...@cis-broadband.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:09 PM
To: JIM DAVIS
Cc: KC2UEE; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 


Wow ... that sure sounds condescending, aside from being inaccurate.
According to various online references, the guy is 30 years old and was
first licensed Nov 17, 2008.

Dave   AB7E



JIM DAVIS wrote: 

Too bad James that you did'nt bother to learn Intl. morse earlier when you
were younger and your
mind was'nt MUSH!!!  Seriously a lot of us had told people time and time
again to learn it 
earlier, but to no avail!  Now all of a sudden you and OTHERS understand
about the WORTH of CW!!!
 
It's We told you-so scenario isn't it???
 
Regards,
 
Jim/nn6ee
S/N#2406
 
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

If you can copy *most* QSO's on the Ham bands, you're more than qualified to
work anyone on the Ham bands. 

I'm a commercial and amateur radiotelegraph licensee. To get my commercial I
had to be able to copy 20 WPM code groups, not plain text: letter and
punctuation combinations that meant nothing such as :;!() as a code group.
(Yes, back then we had to know all the arcane punctuation marks). 

That got me past the FCC examiner, but it's no measure of my ability to work
CW, either as a Ham or as a commercial operator. It is, at best, an
indicator of some CW proficiency. 

From the standpoint of a commercial CW operator, someone who can exchange
contest QSO's at 40 WPM may well be a CW Idiot. Computers are idiots and
some can do as well. 

CW competency means you can think and talk using Morse just as you can using
your native language. You can listen to the other station and you can
reply and ask questions just as if you were in an eyeball QSO. Many
extremely competent contest and DX-chasing CW ops cannot do that. 

If contesting is your interest is in contesting and DX-ing, focus on
learning to follow a very simple exchange. But, if your interest is in
exchanging information beyond the formula QSO you need to think and talk
Morse. 

In that case you will find that 99.99% of Amateur QSOs happen at less
than 20 WPM. Actually 15 WPM is FB almost all the time. 

So, once you have enough speed to copy *most* QSOs, get on the air, and just
being on the air will increase your CW speed dramatically. 

Back when I worked on passing 5 WPM for my Novice ticket, I spent over a
*year* just learning all the characters. I passed my Novice test at an FCC
office  (this was in '52 when all license tests were given in front of an
FCC examiner) in the Spring - probably in April - and got my license in May.
My license was good for only 1 year and was not renewable so I had some
motivation. But my *only* training was on the air. I passed the 13 WPM
General Class license exam that August - 4 months later - before the next
school term started. 

It was a few years later - about '57 - that I passed that horrendous 20 wpm
test complete with all those punctuation marks and it *was* tough because
Hams didn't use punctuation! I had to do it the hard way - practicing on my
own. 

My point is that there's no training like just using the skill on the air!

73  have fun!

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JIM DAVIS
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 4:36 PM
To: KC2UEE; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:48:59 -0400
  KC2UEE kc2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi gang,
 
 Just so you all know, I am in the process of learning CW.   Not because I
 have too as someone else mentioned, but because I want to learn something
 that I feel is an integral part of the amateur experience.
 
 Hopefully within a few months, I'll be proficient enough to send and copy
at
 15wpm.  I'm actually learning at 25wpm, but I don't want to burn myself
out
 too quickly.
 
 Interestingly enough, I actually find it easier learning the alphabet for
 how it sounds as a complete letter, and not as dots and dashes.  Hopefully
 if I get good enough, I can decipher entire words just by how the string
of
 code sounds instead of listening for each letter and copying that way.
 
 73,
 James KC2UEE
 
 On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bruce McLaughlin bmcla...@bex.net wrote:
 
 Congratulations James on your fine accomplishment.  I hope to find you on
 the air one of these days very soon.  Enjoy your new privileges.

 Bruce-W8FU

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:59 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that
I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my
license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

 __
Too bad James that you did'nt bother to learn Intl. morse earlier when you
were younger and your
mind was'nt MUSH!!!  Seriously a lot of us had told people time and time
again to learn it 
earlier, but to no avail!  Now all of a sudden you and OTHERS understand
about the WORTH of CW!!!

It's We told you-so scenario isn't it???

Regards,

Jim/nn6ee
S/N#2406

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

James, way back in 1957, W1GHZ wrote:

I wish I knew today what I thought I knew when I got my Novice ticket. 

Sounds like you're ahead of the game!

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
Yes I'm only 30.  I got my first ticket last November.  I still have a lot
to learn; CW being one of them.  Thankfully, there are a lot of helpful
people out there that have been more than willing to point me in the right
direction.  I'm truly grateful.

 

73,

James KC2UEE

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Ralph Tyrrell]

James KC2UEE (or K3JPS)

Slow CW can be found at 3530, 3550, 7100 to 7120, 10120. These are some of the 
frequencies that SKCC members get on.

http://www.skccgroup.com/

I have had quite a thril working many new Extras at 5 WPM and slower. 

Hope to work you soon.  I am often on 7118 kHz

73, Ty, W1TF, SKCC 4973



  
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Mike-WE0H]

I'll throw this comment out before I get to reading all the replies...my 
method 20+ years ago was to get on the air every day no matter what. 
Practice makes perfect in anything you do. CW is no different. Get on 
the air no matter how slow or fast or crappy or perfect you send or 
receive. Someone out there will respond back to your CQ eventually and 
there is no looking back from that day forward. You'll miss letters, 
words, ask for repeats, miss tons of info but don't give up or get 
pissed off. Keep at it and you will see by the end of the summer that 
you will be hauling bootie with smokin fast CW. I went from 0 to 31 WPM 
in the first year that I was licensed (1987). I was on the air 
practically every day  night.

You can do it and this group and others can help...hi hi...

Mike
WE0H



James S wrote:
 Yes I'm only 30.  I got my first ticket last November.  I still have a lot
 to learn; CW being one of them.  Thankfully, there are a lot of helpful
 people out there that have been more than willing to point me in the right
 direction.  I'm truly grateful.

  

 73,

 James KC2UEE
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[Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[James Sarte]

Hello fellow Elecrafters,

 

Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
info updated on the ULS within a few days!

 

73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Mike-WE0H]

Good deal James!!! Always worth getting the Extra class for a bit more 
space on HF.

Mike
WE0H


James S wrote:
 Hello fellow Elecrafters,

  

 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!

  

 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dale Putnam]

Way to go James!! You're the MAN!

Hope to see you in the Extra parts of the bands

and elsewhere too..

Isn't this a kick?

--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 
 From: kc2...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:59:02 -0400
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 Hello fellow Elecrafters,
 
 
 
 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors. Hope to have my license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!
 
 
 
 73,
 
 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Mike B]

Congratulations, James!  It's a definite accomplishment, and one to be proud of.
 Heck, I even put it on my resume!  (I found out after being hired in my current
position that my boss is a Tech-class, so having an Extra-class was a definite
brownie point.)

73,

Mike
KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Congrats!

James S wrote:
 Hello fellow Elecrafters,

  

 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you 
 that I passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to 
 have my license info updated on the ULS within a few days!

  

 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Bob Tellefsen]

Congratulations, James.
It's always satisfying to reach a goal.

Now what will you do for an encore?
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that 
 I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my 
 license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dave Van Wallaghen]

Congrats James. I'm sure you feel a fine sense of accomplishment.

See you on the bands.

73,
Dave W8FGU
--Original Message--
From: James Sarte
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
Sent: Mar 8, 2009 1:59 PM

Hello fellow Elecrafters,

 

Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
info updated on the ULS within a few days!

 

73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[James Sarte]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your email!  Not sure what I'll do for an encore... I think I'm
pretty set for now.  Perhaps my next move will involve buying another house
(sold my first one, and now in an apartment), where I can actually put up a
real antenna instead of my little MP-1 or Buddipole. :)

73,
James KC2UEE

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From: Bob Tellefsen [mailto:n...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:52 PM
To: James Sarte; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Congratulations, James.
It's always satisfying to reach a goal.

Now what will you do for an encore?
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG

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From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that 
 I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my 
 license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Bob Tellefsen]

FB James
You're certainly in a situation that calls for some
innovative thinking to have a working antenna.
I hope the MP-1 and Buddipole at least let you get
on the air.
Best wishes for a new house with a good rf QTH.
73, Bob N6Wg

- Original Message - 
From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hi Bob,

 Thanks for your email!  Not sure what I'll do for an encore... I think I'm
 pretty set for now.  Perhaps my next move will involve buying another 
 house
 (sold my first one, and now in an apartment), where I can actually put up 
 a
 real antenna instead of my little MP-1 or Buddipole. :)

 73,
 James KC2UEE

 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Tellefsen [mailto:n...@comcast.net]
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:52 PM
 To: James Sarte; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Congratulations, James.
 It's always satisfying to reach a goal.

 Now what will you do for an encore?
 Good luck and 73
 Bob N6WG

 - Original Message - 
 From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:59 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hello fellow Elecrafters,



 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that
 I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my
 license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!



 73,

 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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[Ken Kopp]

Congrats, Jim!!!

73! Rose - N7HKW
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[James Sarte]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your email.  Good deal on the brownie points!  I however, even as
a new Extra don't impress some of my colleagues at work.  One of them is the
station master for 4UN1UN (I work at the UN), so I have a lot to live up
too!

73,
James KC2UEE

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Congratulations, James!  It's a definite accomplishment, and one to be proud
of.
 Heck, I even put it on my resume!  (I found out after being hired in my
current
position that my boss is a Tech-class, so having an Extra-class was a
definite
brownie point.)

73,

Mike
KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Gary Smith]

Hey hey, 

Congratulations! Welcome to the new places.

It's all the same club o'course, just a different room.

Well done,

Gary
KA1J

 Hello fellow Elecrafters,
 
  
 
 Sorry for the OT post here guys, but I just wanted to share with you that I
 passed my element 4 exam today with flying colors.  Hope to have my license
 info updated on the ULS within a few days!
 
  
 
 73,
 
 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dick Grolleman]

Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?

73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
also Extra

- Original Message - 
From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: 'Mike B' kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for your email.  Good deal on the brownie points!  I however, even 
 as
 a new Extra don't impress some of my colleagues at work.  One of them is 
 the
 station master for 4UN1UN (I work at the UN), so I have a lot to live up
 too!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike B
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:31 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Congratulations, James!  It's a definite accomplishment, and one to be 
 proud
 of.
 Heck, I even put it on my resume!  (I found out after being hired in my
 current
 position that my boss is a Tech-class, so having an Extra-class was a
 definite
 brownie point.)

 73,

 Mike
 KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Rob May]

No Dick, that would be no code Extra, Extra-lite is 5 wpm.  Glad to be able to 
clear that up for you.  Don't matter, cause they all have the same privileges. 
;-)  
Rob
NV5E (Extra-lite)
(Tongue in cheek, not meant as a criticism to anyone, please do not flame!)


 From: groll...@planet.nl
 To: kc2...@gmail.com; kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:51:09 +0100
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?
 
 73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
 also Extra


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[James Sarte]

Yup... that would make me a no-code Extra.

I am working on learning the code though!  

73,
James KC2UEE 

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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:26 PM
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No Dick, that would be no code Extra, Extra-lite is 5 wpm.  Glad to be able
to clear that up for you.  Don't matter, cause they all have the same
privileges. ;-)  
Rob
NV5E (Extra-lite)
(Tongue in cheek, not meant as a criticism to anyone, please do not flame!)


 From: groll...@planet.nl
 To: kc2...@gmail.com; kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:51:09 +0100
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra
 
 Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?
 
 73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
 also Extra


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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dick Dievendorff]

Since the code test is no longer administered, even if one were to request
it, it's a bit of a flame-bait question.  What choice would he have?

He's accomplished a meaningful milestone.  Congratulations!

Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 12:51 PM
To: James Sarte; 'Mike B'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?

73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
also Extra

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From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
To: 'Mike B' kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for your email.  Good deal on the brownie points!  I however, even 
 as
 a new Extra don't impress some of my colleagues at work.  One of them is 
 the
 station master for 4UN1UN (I work at the UN), so I have a lot to live up
 too!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike B
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:31 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

 Congratulations, James!  It's a definite accomplishment, and one to be 
 proud
 of.
 Heck, I even put it on my resume!  (I found out after being hired in my
 current
 position that my boss is a Tech-class, so having an Extra-class was a
 definite
 brownie point.)

 73,

 Mike
 KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604]

And then there are a few of us 13-wpm Extras who were Advanced class
until they changed the criteria, and then got an Extra on the basis of
our 5 wpm Novice licenses.  I passed the Extra written about 4 times,
but never could stop thinking enough to get 20wpm.

73, doug

   From: James Sarte kc2...@gmail.com
   Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:38:33 -0400

   Yup... that would make me a no-code Extra.

   I am working on learning the code though!  

   73,
   James KC2UEE 

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   [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rob May
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:26 PM
   To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra


   No Dick, that would be no code Extra, Extra-lite is 5 wpm.  Glad to be able
   to clear that up for you.  Don't matter, cause they all have the same
   privileges. ;-)  
   Rob
   NV5E (Extra-lite)
   (Tongue in cheek, not meant as a criticism to anyone, please do not flame!)


From: groll...@planet.nl
To: kc2...@gmail.com; kw...@comcast.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:51:09 +0100
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

Isn't that Extra-light? with no code?

73 de Dick PA3FQA, N7QA
also Extra
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Gary D Krause]

Congratulations, James!  Now you need to celebrate by buying yourself a 
present.  How about a brand new K3!

73,
Gary, N7HTS


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 info updated on the ULS within a few days!
 
 
 
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 James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra

[Dale Putnam]

Congratulations James, and if you want to practice your cw... email me.. or 
catch me on the air.. I'd be happy to match your speed, and practice with 
you... K?

And you know, there are a lot of extra's around that passed the written part, 
first.. then passed the cw test later.. and I don't necessarily mean the cw 
test administered at the test session.. although there were some that did that 
too... but the cw test that comes around ever qso.. and that is simply having a 
fun converstation with someone. 

  Good for you James, hang in... and if you care to try cw for speed  try a 
bit of a contest here and there... that works pretty well too...

Hope to see you in my log one day too...

--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 

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