Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2
Gil- If you just do CW portable, why not get a KX1 with the included paddles? Much less expensive than the KX3. And you can keep your K2! Why sell something that you put so much into? With the K1, I carry three items, a battery, the K1, and my paddles. With the KX3, I'll have only one, using the attached paddles. That also means a Pelican 1200 case Instead of the 1400 I use for my K1... I can also use the KX3 at home like I do my K2. It's quite a bit more money for me, but if I also sell my Icom IC-271A, I'll be getting close ;-) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
Fred and All, I think Fred's comment is a bit excessive. It's a shame he had a bad experience, but the same thing could have happened if he had used almost any other venue for selling gear, like Eham, or QTH, or whatever. You can't just blame Ebay for your own mistakes. His comments about being more careful about just how you effect the transaction are more appropriate. Truth is, you can make a bad deal anywhere! I don't use Ebay a lot, but I have made a few acquisitions through it. Fortunately, they all turned out O.K. I guess I was just lucky. Like Fred, I'm somewhat cautious about some things I see there, but that's mainly because it is so wide open. Half the time you really don't know who you are really dealing with. Usually, though, you do have the option to contact the seller first, so it doesn't have to be totally blind faith. In any event, if you have any significant concerns, you should probably follow Fred's suggestion and get some sort of assurance that you have recourse. You should probably do that with any 2nd hand acquisition, regardless of where you get it. I think Ebay has some sort of problem resolution process, but I don't know how effective it is since I've never had to use it. If it has any value at all, it may be better to buy there than on some other venues. However, I think the first rule of any such transaction should be to have at least some idea as to who you are dealing with. If it's some phantom, hiding behind some obtuse ID, you don't have much upon which to place your faith. I also have another rule--When in doubt, pass! If you can't get the assurances that make you reasonably comfortable, I'd let the deal go. Except in rare instances, there is almost surely going to be another equally reasonable deal, if not better, coming down the pike. Personally, I have to keep reminding myself of this last rule. It's hard not to get somewhat excited (and possibly foolish) when you see a good deal come along. Dave W7AQK --- Fred Smith Said: I make it a point of never buying any radios on eBay usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
I have had bad experiences buying ham equipment on eBay and like Fred focus on QTH.com or qrz.com for used equipment. Burned by radiomart 2x, and a bad old skool Yaesu tube amp. These three experiences has made me move to those websites that are actually run and managed by ham operators. I do use ebay and have had excellent experience buying discontinued Geoffrey Rowley Vans circa 1999/2000 on eBay and a certain pair of Perry Ellis pants that I like wearing. Keith AK6ZZ Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos On Dec 13, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Dyarnes w7...@cox.net wrote: Fred and All, I think Fred's comment is a bit excessive. It's a shame he had a bad experience, but the same thing could have happened if he had used almost any other venue for selling gear, like Eham, or QTH, or whatever. You can't just blame Ebay for your own mistakes. His comments about being more careful about just how you effect the transaction are more appropriate. Truth is, you can make a bad deal anywhere! I don't use Ebay a lot, but I have made a few acquisitions through it. Fortunately, they all turned out O.K. I guess I was just lucky. Like Fred, I'm somewhat cautious about some things I see there, but that's mainly because it is so wide open. Half the time you really don't know who you are really dealing with. Usually, though, you do have the option to contact the seller first, so it doesn't have to be totally blind faith. In any event, if you have any significant concerns, you should probably follow Fred's suggestion and get some sort of assurance that you have recourse. You should probably do that with any 2nd hand acquisition, regardless of where you get it. I think Ebay has some sort of problem resolution process, but I don't know how effective it is since I've never had to use it. If it has any value at all, it may be better to buy there than on some other venues. However, I think the first rule of any such transaction should be to have at least some idea as to who you are dealing with. If it's some phantom, hiding behind some obtuse ID, you don't have much upon which to place your faith. I also have another rule--When in doubt, pass! If you can't get the assurances that make you reasonably comfortable, I'd let the deal go. Except in rare instances, there is almost surely going to be another equally reasonable deal, if not better, coming down the pike. Personally, I have t o keep reminding myself of this last rule. It's hard not to get somewhat excited (and possibly foolish) when you see a good deal come along. Dave W7AQK --- Fred Smith Said: I make it a point of never buying any radios on eBay usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
Folks - Let's close the eBay thread in the interest of keeping list SNR under control. 73, Eric List Moderator www.elecraft.com _..._ On Dec 13, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Keith Heimbold ag...@hotmail.com wrote: I have had bad experiences buying ham equipment on eBay and like Fred focus on QTH.com or qrz.com for used equipment. Burned by radiomart 2x, and a bad old skool Yaesu tube amp. These three experiences has made me move to those websites that are actually run and managed by ham operators. I do use ebay and have had excellent experience buying discontinued Geoffrey Rowley Vans circa 1999/2000 on eBay and a certain pair of Perry Ellis pants that I like wearing. Keith AK6ZZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
If your selling it on FleaBAY why post it here? Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gil G. Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:55 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Selling my K2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261141641722 Gil. -- PGP Key: http://keskydee.com/gil.asc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
It's a good idea ... Makes more aware of the sale ... I've lready looked at it, even though I'm not an E-Bay regular and wouldn't have known about it except for the posting. 73! K0PP On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: If your selling it on FleaBAY why post it here? Fred/N0AZZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
I make it a point of never buying any radios on eBay usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. If the items are listed on the ham related forums you can most of the time (or I do anyway) feel more confident that they are in the condition listed. In no way have I ever felt that way about used items bought off of eBay it is like hamfest gear you can't test be ready to do work on it. So far I have only been burnt one time on a item I bought on QRZ am Yaesu VL-1000 amp. It was bought from a ham in AZ. who said he had just had it into Yaesu to be checked out ( that turned out to be a lie) bought the amp. He insisted on Money Orders I wanted to use Pay Pal and I pay the fee he wouldn't first mistake. I paid him for the amp and shipping received it 10 days later opened it and it was DOA. Called him and he wasn't very happy to hear about, I asked him if he checked it out after Yaesu sent it to him he didn't he said. Finally told me to ship the amp back to him I did so. In the mean time I called Yaesu about the repairs that were done to the amp they checked and all that was done was replace the display and both covers top/sides and bottom nothing else checked. 2 weeks later he called me mad because a very small piece of scotch tape where it overlapped the clear plastic on the amp had gotten on the top of the amp. I told him I was sorry but not a problem for sure nothing was harmed for sure. He sent a photo of the tape where he had left it on the amp when he removed the plastic, the tape had been cut on both sides to leave about 1/2 on it. He kept $250 of my money because he said that the cover would have to be replaced and gave me no options the shipping/insurance for the 2 box's 2 ways was just over $400 so that lesion cost me $650. Moral of the story NEVER, NEVER use a Money Order/Cash same in the mail always use Pay Pal tied to a Credit Card only not your checking account then you have recourse. Or the best way buy from someone you know or someone on this reflector I have bought numerous items here and all great people. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:23 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2. It's a good idea ... Makes more aware of the sale ... I've lready looked at it, even though I'm not an E-Bay regular and wouldn't have known about it except for the posting. 73! K0PP On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: If your selling it on FleaBAY why post it here? Fred/N0AZZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
Hi Fred, Sorry to hear about the bad experience on that transaction. I have had one like that as well. Same kind of deal as yours. Not all items on ebay are bad - the majority are legitimate and as described. It has not at all been my experience that ...usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. Yes, sometimes that is the case, of course. I have purchased numerous radios on ebay and all were exactly as described. Like you said, don't do the money order thing. Credit card via PayPal. Great advice! I use that same method and steer clear of items where they want a money order or there are other fishy signs. Regardless, one must carefully read the description, study the pictures, look at the feedback, and then not let desire for an item cloud judgement. Of course, buying from a seller that is well known, or known to you, or frequents reflectors of the character of this one, is certainly the best way, when it is an option. I'm glad that Gil notified us of his ebay listing. Like Ken, I might have missed it otherwise. 73 JP WF4Z On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: I make it a point of never buying any radios on eBay usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. If the items are listed on the ham related forums you can most of the time (or I do anyway) feel more confident that they are in the condition listed. In no way have I ever felt that way about used items bought off of eBay it is like hamfest gear you can't test be ready to do work on it. So far I have only been burnt one time on a item I bought on QRZ am Yaesu VL-1000 amp. It was bought from a ham in AZ. who said he had just had it into Yaesu to be checked out ( that turned out to be a lie) bought the amp. He insisted on Money Orders I wanted to use Pay Pal and I pay the fee he wouldn't first mistake. I paid him for the amp and shipping received it 10 days later opened it and it was DOA. Called him and he wasn't very happy to hear about, I asked him if he checked it out after Yaesu sent it to him he didn't he said. Finally told me to ship the amp back to him I did so. In the mean time I called Yaesu about the repairs that were done to the amp they checked and all that was done was replace the display and both covers top/sides and bottom nothing else checked. 2 weeks later he called me mad because a very small piece of scotch tape where it overlapped the clear plastic on the amp had gotten on the top of the amp. I told him I was sorry but not a problem for sure nothing was harmed for sure. He sent a photo of the tape where he had left it on the amp when he removed the plastic, the tape had been cut on both sides to leave about 1/2 on it. He kept $250 of my money because he said that the cover would have to be replaced and gave me no options the shipping/insurance for the 2 box's 2 ways was just over $400 so that lesion cost me $650. Moral of the story NEVER, NEVER use a Money Order/Cash same in the mail always use Pay Pal tied to a Credit Card only not your checking account then you have recourse. Or the best way buy from someone you know or someone on this reflector I have bought numerous items here and all great people. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:23 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2. It's a good idea ... Makes more aware of the sale ... I've lready looked at it, even though I'm not an E-Bay regular and wouldn't have known about it except for the posting. 73! K0PP On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: If your selling it on FleaBAY why post it here? Fred/N0AZZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Selling my K2.
On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 12:20 -0600, Fred Smith wrote: I make it a point of never buying any radios on eBay usually there is a problem with them or they wouldn't be there. I never had a problem with Ebay, but I am very careful. I only accept Paypal and check the seller's rating. If he doesn't have something like 99% and at least a couple dozen ratings, I don't deal. No legitimate Ebay seller wants his rating bashed.. I think problem radios often come from estate sales, and the seller doesn't check them out. There is always the crook out there, but their rating quickly suffers. I am selling the K2 to get a KX3. It is hard for me to sell something I built and that works so well. I love the K2, but the KX3 is more portable, which is the kind of operation I like. I take my K1 to the local coffee shop on a regular basis and clamp my Buddistick to my table outside. Great fun! The K2 doesn't fit in my backpack with my laptop in it. One guy asked me what I was doing, I said I'm calling the mothership, and he looked up to the sky! LOL. With the K1, I carry three items, a battery, the K1, and my paddles. With the KX3, I'll have only one, using the attached paddles. That also means a Pelican 1200 case Instead of the 1400 I use for my K1... I can also use the KX3 at home like I do my K2. It's quite a bit more money for me, but if I also sell my Icom IC-271A, I'll be getting close ;-) Gil. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
