Re: [Elecraft] KAT100

2004-06-27 Thread Ian J Maude
On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 23:14, Don Brown wrote:
> Hi 
>  
> This does not sound right. You should be able to get the voltage down
> to around a few mV. It seems like the several I have built would go
> down to 10 to 20 mV.
Well, guess what?  Yep, it was my fault!

I had disconnected the serial cable from the tuner but not from the K2. 
The section from the K2 to the computer was left connected and the
computer was on.  I am guessing this caused the extra voltage.  All is
now well and thanks to those who responded.

Ian
>  
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[Elecraft] Eurasia ECN, message 30,vol.2 issue 27

2004-06-27 Thread Robert Boerhorst
G4DMP should read K2 # 1583.
Sri David I missed the last digit.

Dwayne may be the Friday is a better day, same time, same freq.


73/72,
Robert, PA0RBO
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[Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Jerry T Dowell
Looking at the QST review of the IC-7800, a couple of things leap out. The
first is the keying waveform. It looks to me like this rig will have key
clicks. ICOM will probably have the same attitude as Yaesu in cleaning up
their act. Secondly, the transmit IMD is nothing to write home about. Third
order only 23 dB down from a single tone, really marginal in my opinion.
Especially for a $10,000 radio.

I will stick with my K2, thank you.

Jerry   AI6L

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RE: [Elecraft] Eurasia ECN 26.06.04

2004-06-27 Thread Sverre Holm
In addition I responded to G4DMP's CQ ECN call on 40 m and was also
contacted by DL1IAQ on 20 m. So this has turned out to be a North Sea
Elecraft net.

Sverre
LA3ZA

> -Original Message-
> Worked on 20m:
> DL1IAQ/ 559/Mac/K2 # 2706/5 W
> LZ1VB/329/name ?/K2 # 2745/5 W. (deep QSB)
> Worked on 40m:
> G4DMP/569/David/K2 # 158/10 W
> LA3ZA/569/Sverre/K2 # 2189/5 W
> YI9RVT not heard on 20/40 m
> 
> Own rig K2 # 2406/5 W
> 
> 73/72
> Robert, PA0RBO

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread js
Hi Group,

First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning from a
ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all aware, sometimes
number itself is not necessarily representing the whole picture.

Shall we keep our finger crossed and wait for some one who really operates
these two rigs.

73

Johnny Siu VR2XMC
s/n 1146, 3837, 4165, 4225, 4255

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry T Dowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:43 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800


> Looking at the QST review of the IC-7800, a couple of things leap out. The
> first is the keying waveform. It looks to me like this rig will have key
> clicks. ICOM will probably have the same attitude as Yaesu in cleaning up
> their act. Secondly, the transmit IMD is nothing to write home about.
Third
> order only 23 dB down from a single tone, really marginal in my opinion.
> Especially for a $10,000 radio.
>
> I will stick with my K2, thank you.
>
> Jerry   AI6L

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RE: [Elecraft] Eurasia ECN 26.06.04

2004-06-27 Thread Sverre Holm
Correction: both contacts were on 40 m.

> In addition I responded to G4DMP's CQ ECN call on 40 m and 
> was also contacted by DL1IAQ on 20 m. So this has turned out 
> to be a North Sea Elecraft net.
> 
> Sverre
> LA3ZA
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > Worked on 20m:
> > DL1IAQ/ 559/Mac/K2 # 2706/5 W
> > LZ1VB/329/name ?/K2 # 2745/5 W. (deep QSB)
> > Worked on 40m:
> > G4DMP/569/David/K2 # 158/10 W
> > LA3ZA/569/Sverre/K2 # 2189/5 W
> > YI9RVT not heard on 20/40 m
> > 
> > Own rig K2 # 2406/5 W
> > 
> > 73/72
> > Robert, PA0RBO
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Kenneth E. Harker
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 09:45:21PM +0800, js wrote:
> Hi Group,
> 
> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning from a
> ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all aware, sometimes
> number itself is not necessarily representing the whole picture.

At Ham-Com last weekend, an Icom rep was heard to mention that at least 
125 Icom IC-7800s have been sold in the USA so far, but that they were 
still back-ordered and waiting for more units to ship from Japan.

Someone on another list I'm on pointed out that a savvy negotiator could
probably buy a brand-new Chevrolet Cavalier (with racing stripes) and have 
an Elecraft K2 installed in it for the same price as an Icom IC-7800.

-- 
Kenneth E. Harker WM5R
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.kenharker.com/

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Jimmy Lee
Well,
Whoever that might be will need lots of money.  I have never used Icom but love 
my K2.  Seems to me that measurements are the only objective way to
compare rigs. Actually whatever is determined my the" experts"  I will not stop 
using my K2.  Not very scientific but just the way I feel.
Jimmy, AE4DT

js wrote:

> Hi Group,
>
> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning from a
> ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all aware, sometimes
> number itself is not necessarily representing the whole picture.
>
> Shall we keep our finger crossed and wait for some one who really operates
> these two rigs.
>
> 73
>
> Johnny Siu VR2XMC
> s/n 1146, 3837, 4165, 4225, 4255
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry T Dowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:43 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800
>
> > Looking at the QST review of the IC-7800, a couple of things leap out. The
> > first is the keying waveform. It looks to me like this rig will have key
> > clicks. ICOM will probably have the same attitude as Yaesu in cleaning up
> > their act. Secondly, the transmit IMD is nothing to write home about.
> Third
> > order only 23 dB down from a single tone, really marginal in my opinion.
> > Especially for a $10,000 radio.
> >
> > I will stick with my K2, thank you.
> >
> > Jerry   AI6L
>
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread N2TK
One of the local hams who is a heavy contester now has a K2, 7800, Orion and
756Pro II. Of those the only one he hasn't put through the paces yet is the
7800. So far, the Orion seems to be on top.
Wonder when the in-depth ARRL report on the 7800 will be available? Would
like to see what the 2KHZ spacing Dynamic Range numbers look like.

I like my K2/100. It works great. It is a very good value for the quality of
the receiver. It's great to put in my brief case for Dxpediitons. It's great
to have around in case my main rig should fail. I can hook it up to a
battery if I need to get on the air in an emergency. I do use it as an
outboard receiver for my rain rig. But in certain areas it is not as good as
the high price rigs. I like to be able to listen in stereo when chasing DX
that is operating split. I like to be able to listen to another band while
working stuff on a different band. I like full QSK on CW. Some think it is
okay to pay the higher price of the other rigs for those features.

One other point - One feature of the K2 is the continuing upgrade program.
On the FT1000 series and the Orion there are now second source upgrades to
improve dynamic range, key clicks, etc. So, even though Yaesu and Ten-Tec
haven't come out with the upgrades themselves, the after market has
developed upgrades for these rigs. It's kind of like what Elecraft has done,
but in there case they are also marketing many of the upgrades.

By the way, I would not want a Cavalier.

#3481
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth E. Harker
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:02 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 09:45:21PM +0800, js wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning from a
> ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all aware, sometimes
> number itself is not necessarily representing the whole picture.

At Ham-Com last weekend, an Icom rep was heard to mention that at least
125 Icom IC-7800s have been sold in the USA so far, but that they were
still back-ordered and waiting for more units to ship from Japan.

Someone on another list I'm on pointed out that a savvy negotiator could
probably buy a brand-new Chevrolet Cavalier (with racing stripes) and have
an Elecraft K2 installed in it for the same price as an Icom IC-7800.

--
Kenneth E. Harker WM5R
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.kenharker.com/

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Jeff Davis
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:45:21 +0800, js wrote:

> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning
> from a ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all
> aware, sometimes number itself is not necessarily representing the
> whole picture.

I find the whole discussion just a tad bit amusing. It began with the  
Orion users who sure were proud that TenTec came up with a 'better' 
receiver than the K2. Now it seems that the Icom faithful are anxious to 
compare their offering to the K2. Yaesu will be next.

Elecraft can't buy better promotion than this at any price.

Think about it, when fully filtered to 'better' the K2 performance a 
user would have to spend $4400 for an Orion. That is SEVEN times the 
cost of a K2. The new Icom is a mere EIGHTEEN times more costly. The new 
Yaesu will no doubt have a similar price tag.

What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver 
is better than that of a $599 kit?

It borders on the ridiculous to even make such comparisons unless of 
course you concede that the K2 has become the benchmark for amateur 
receiver performance--and that may very well be the case since all the 
"big boys" are anxious to compare their performance numbers against it.

We should also consider that the K2 has apparently raised the bar for 
amateur receiver performance across the entire industry. The performance 
numbers that really distinguished the K2 were infrequently considered in 
the pre-K2 days. Now most all receiver reviews include them and 
manufacturers are focusing on improving them. That means that even 
non-Elecraft customers are benefiting from the 'K2 Revolution'.

I just imagine that every time someone compares a $4400 Orion or an 
$11,000 Icom to the K2 that the staff in Aptos break out in high 
fives...

:-)

-- 
73 de Jeff, KE9V
K2 #524 KX1 #717



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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Stan Rife
Some of you guys just have a way with words! I could not have said
it as well if I took two weeks to compose it. Here Here, Jeff!

Stan Rife
WD5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:10 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:45:21 +0800, js wrote:

> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning
> from a ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all
> aware, sometimes number itself is not necessarily representing the
> whole picture.

I find the whole discussion just a tad bit amusing. It began with the  
Orion users who sure were proud that TenTec came up with a 'better' 
receiver than the K2. Now it seems that the Icom faithful are anxious to 
compare their offering to the K2. Yaesu will be next.

Elecraft can't buy better promotion than this at any price.

Think about it, when fully filtered to 'better' the K2 performance a 
user would have to spend $4400 for an Orion. That is SEVEN times the 
cost of a K2. The new Icom is a mere EIGHTEEN times more costly. The new 
Yaesu will no doubt have a similar price tag.

What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver 
is better than that of a $599 kit?

It borders on the ridiculous to even make such comparisons unless of 
course you concede that the K2 has become the benchmark for amateur 
receiver performance--and that may very well be the case since all the 
"big boys" are anxious to compare their performance numbers against it.

We should also consider that the K2 has apparently raised the bar for 
amateur receiver performance across the entire industry. The performance 
numbers that really distinguished the K2 were infrequently considered in 
the pre-K2 days. Now most all receiver reviews include them and 
manufacturers are focusing on improving them. That means that even 
non-Elecraft customers are benefiting from the 'K2 Revolution'.

I just imagine that every time someone compares a $4400 Orion or an 
$11,000 Icom to the K2 that the staff in Aptos break out in high 
fives...

:-)

-- 
73 de Jeff, KE9V
K2 #524 KX1 #717



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Re: [Elecraft] Portable vertical antenna

2004-06-27 Thread John Pfeifer
I've been using the Vertical Black Widow Fishing Pole Antenna (VBWFPA) made by 
WA3WSJ.  Works great for me!  You can check it out at: http://www.WA3WSJ.com/

John Pfeifer - KL0WN
Kodiak, AK

On Saturday 26 June 2004 08:58 pm, Ken Kirkley wrote:
> I do quite a bit of camping during the summer months. Part of the
> campgrounds that I use do not allow wires to be attached to the trees.
> Therefore, I am in need of a good vertical that I can use with my KX1. To
> reduce cost, I am looking to build one myself. Any suggestions!
>
> God Bless,
> Ken/NO4D

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[Elecraft] Eurasian ECN

2004-06-27 Thread DL2HRF
Hello Dwayne and Elecrafters,
 
Just read about the Eurasian ECN and find it a very good idea!
Thank you Dwayne!
Also thinking about the time/date of this event.
I suggest a different day and UTC.Due to the contests the bands
are totally crowded during the weekend with powerful stations.
But we need a clear frequency for our low power ,(low antenna)
equipment.
About the UTC, when the net is starting I also think we could try
a little later, as 20m is longer open during summer here in Europe
and propagation will be better when it is getting dark especially
on 40m. 
So my idea goes to 18.30...19Z for 20 metres and 20.00Z for 40mtrs.
 
73 de Tom, DL2HRF 
 
K1#1434
SOC
FPQRP
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[Elecraft] IC-7800 ARRL numbers added to rig comaprison table

2004-06-27 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft

I just added the IC-7800 ARRL test results to our rig data comparison table at:
http://www.elecraft.com/K2_perf.htm

Its nice to see the K2 competitive even with a $10,000 rig. (Check out the 5 
kHz spacing numbers :-)


73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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[Elecraft] 144 MHz Xvtr

2004-06-27 Thread RCStimson
Gurus,
   I am beginning the Alignment Procedure Part I on the 144 MHz 
transverter and getting a strange reading at TP1 when conducting the test on 
the local oscillator ( page 59).  The voltage seems to be varying between 0.002 
and 1.642 vdc.  The oscillator seems to be  going in and out of oscillation.  
The crystal is in a crystal oven and the jumper on JP9 is on pins 4-5.
   What would be causing this?  A  failed crystal? A  part in the 
oscillator circuit?  Will it settle down when I tune the inductors?  Clearly, I 
need some help and suggestions.
  Thanks,
   Roger K8RS K2/100 #3478
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[Elecraft] KX1 Freq & Filter Offset?

2004-06-27 Thread Donald Nesbitt
Using the narrowest filter setting to battle qrm in FD confirms that I have
the best copy on signals when they give me a recovered audio tone of about
470 hz - and - when I tune them in for that peak, I am (of course) off their
frequency since the KX1 seems to have a "fixed" offset of about 600 +/- hz.
At QRO it's no big deal but running about 1/2 watt output (weak batteries!)
I am having great fun but sure would like to be able to zero-beat them and
still receive them on my peak.  So - is there any way to "slide" the filter
response up and down in the KX1 as can be done with the K2?  I've confirmed
the narrow filter peak at about 470 hz using a broadband noise source and
Spectrogram and can't see any way to "move" the filter response to where I
need it to be.  The way I read the bfo and dds circuits it may end up to be
a capacitor substitution as opposed to a software fix.  Surely I'm missing
something simple.Any ideas?  73 es have fun --don n4hh

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread WQ8Q
Yeah, that's if you're comparing the "base" K2 - when you add all the
options, like I have, it's upwards of $1600+ for a tricked out K2 - and it
still has mediocre knobs and I still had to jury rig a circuit for fixed
audio out - on a $1600 radio!
The K2 is a great performing radio - but for those of us who don't care
about low current drain/portability it's small size and mini-ergonomics
leave a bit to be desired.

Rick WQ8Q


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To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800


On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:45:21 +0800, js wrote:

> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning
> from a ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all
> aware, sometimes number itself is not necessarily representing the
> whole picture.

I find the whole discussion just a tad bit amusing. It began with the
Orion users who sure were proud that TenTec came up with a 'better'
receiver than the K2. Now it seems that the Icom faithful are anxious to
compare their offering to the K2. Yaesu will be next.

Elecraft can't buy better promotion than this at any price.

Think about it, when fully filtered to 'better' the K2 performance a
user would have to spend $4400 for an Orion. That is SEVEN times the
cost of a K2. The new Icom is a mere EIGHTEEN times more costly. The new
Yaesu will no doubt have a similar price tag.

What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver
is better than that of a $599 kit?

It borders on the ridiculous to even make such comparisons unless of
course you concede that the K2 has become the benchmark for amateur
receiver performance--and that may very well be the case since all the
"big boys" are anxious to compare their performance numbers against it.

We should also consider that the K2 has apparently raised the bar for
amateur receiver performance across the entire industry. The performance
numbers that really distinguished the K2 were infrequently considered in
the pre-K2 days. Now most all receiver reviews include them and
manufacturers are focusing on improving them. That means that even
non-Elecraft customers are benefiting from the 'K2 Revolution'.

I just imagine that every time someone compares a $4400 Orion or an
$11,000 Icom to the K2 that the staff in Aptos break out in high
fives...

:-)

--
73 de Jeff, KE9V
K2 #524 KX1 #717



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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 Freq & Filter Offset?

2004-06-27 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
Try using the RIT function to change the RX freq so you get 470 Hz. I 
read on this list that the filter response shifts below 500Hz - have you 
checked the peak at the 500Hz width?  It would be nice to know when it 
shifts down.

Leigh WA6ZNU

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:17pm, Donald Nesbitt wrote:
Using the narrowest filter setting to battle qrm in FD confirms that I 
have
the best copy on signals when they give me a recovered audio tone of 
about
470 hz - and - when I tune them in for that peak, I am (of course) off 
their
frequency since the KX1 seems to have a "fixed" offset of about 600 +/- 
hz.
At QRO it's no big deal but running about 1/2 watt output (weak 
batteries!)
I am having great fun but sure would like to be able to zero-beat them 
and
still receive them on my peak.  So - is there any way to "slide" the 
filter
response up and down in the KX1 as can be done with the K2?  I've 
confirmed
the narrow filter peak at about 470 hz using a broadband noise source 
and
Spectrogram and can't see any way to "move" the filter response to 
where I
need it to be.  The way I read the bfo and dds circuits it may end up 
to be
a capacitor substitution as opposed to a software fix.  Surely I'm 
missing

something simple.Any ideas?  73 es have fun --don n4hh

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Why not? (was: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800)

2004-06-27 Thread Able2fly
 
Wayne, please take note.  The KX1 pretty much defines the "little"  end. Now 
how about a K3 with which to define the "big" end?  I suggest a  more 
ergonomic transceiver than the K2, covering contesters and DXers  specific 
needs 
rather than backpacker's. Why not put to the list the  question "what would be 
desirable in a K3?" 
 
Bill  K3UJ
 
~
>Yeah, that's if you're comparing the "base" K2 - when you add all  the
options, like I have, it's upwards of $1600+ for a tricked out K2 - and  it
still has mediocre knobs and I still had to jury rig a circuit for  fixed
audio out - on a $1600 radio!
The K2 is a great performing radio -  but for those of us who don't care
about low current drain/portability it's  small size and mini-ergonomics
leave a bit to be desired.

Rick  WQ8Q


 
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[Elecraft] A small FD experience

2004-06-27 Thread Tom Bosscher
I was still on the road Saturday with my wife on a swing around 
Michigan ( upper and lower peninsula's) vacation. So I could not really get 
involved with any FD. But, Saturday afternoon found us at Oscoda, Michigan, 
where there was an Arts's n Craft show. Ya, that thrills me. But I have 
this great arrangement with my wife, who can take as long as she wants. I 
always bring plenty of reading material, or do that best in show thing 
called a nap.


So I'm parked in this nice lot, with plenty of tree shade. I look 
up at the trees, and there is some really scary AC wiring going on. No way 
to throw any wire up there. So I take some 20 feet of 22 gauge wire, and 
lay it out, ON THE GROUND!. With the help of a few alligator clips, I 
convinced the K2 internal tuner to load up on 40cw at 10 watts. From the 
front seat of my car, I worked some 8 stations in 15 minutes! Never more 
than two calls. 10 watts into 20 feet of wire on the ground! I was tuning 
around, and just started to laugh at the whole situation when my wife came 
back. She asked me what was so funny. Kinda hard to explain, but since she 
was the one who bought the K2 for me as a consolation prize for turning 50, 
she was very happy to see "that silly look on my face". She told me today I 
had that look all day.


What fun hath Elecraft wrought?

73 de Tom, K8IIE   K2-3206


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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Stan Rife
1600 bucks compared to 4400 or 10,000 is still a heck of a bargain.
Personally, the size and ergonomics are two things I happen to like about
the K2. These features are definitely on par with the IC-706 or the
comparable Yeasu offerings, as far as I am concerned. If you have big hands
you're going to have trouble with all of the portable/mobile type rigs. At
least the K2 is not a cookie cutter rig. It's styling stands somewhat alone
among it's competitors, and I kind of like that. To me it is kind of like
being a new Mini Cooper owner amongst a bunch of BMW owners...looks
different but there is definitely quality there.

Stan Rife
WD5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WQ8Q
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 2:22 PM
To: Jeff Davis; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

Yeah, that's if you're comparing the "base" K2 - when you add all the
options, like I have, it's upwards of $1600+ for a tricked out K2 - and it
still has mediocre knobs and I still had to jury rig a circuit for fixed
audio out - on a $1600 radio!
The K2 is a great performing radio - but for those of us who don't care
about low current drain/portability it's small size and mini-ergonomics
leave a bit to be desired.

Rick WQ8Q


- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800


On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:45:21 +0800, js wrote:

> First of all, I am both an ICOM and K2(s) user.  Before we make any
> comparison between IC7800 and K2, I am looking forward to learning
> from a ham who really operates these two rigs.  As we are all
> aware, sometimes number itself is not necessarily representing the
> whole picture.

I find the whole discussion just a tad bit amusing. It began with the
Orion users who sure were proud that TenTec came up with a 'better'
receiver than the K2. Now it seems that the Icom faithful are anxious to
compare their offering to the K2. Yaesu will be next.

Elecraft can't buy better promotion than this at any price.

Think about it, when fully filtered to 'better' the K2 performance a
user would have to spend $4400 for an Orion. That is SEVEN times the
cost of a K2. The new Icom is a mere EIGHTEEN times more costly. The new
Yaesu will no doubt have a similar price tag.

What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver
is better than that of a $599 kit?

It borders on the ridiculous to even make such comparisons unless of
course you concede that the K2 has become the benchmark for amateur
receiver performance--and that may very well be the case since all the
"big boys" are anxious to compare their performance numbers against it.

We should also consider that the K2 has apparently raised the bar for
amateur receiver performance across the entire industry. The performance
numbers that really distinguished the K2 were infrequently considered in
the pre-K2 days. Now most all receiver reviews include them and
manufacturers are focusing on improving them. That means that even
non-Elecraft customers are benefiting from the 'K2 Revolution'.

I just imagine that every time someone compares a $4400 Orion or an
$11,000 Icom to the K2 that the staff in Aptos break out in high
fives...

:-)

--
73 de Jeff, KE9V
K2 #524 KX1 #717



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[Elecraft] K1-4 for sale

2004-06-27 Thread Thor - N9IK

I have a K1-4 for sale.

K1-4, s/n 1065 with 4-band module
 40, 30, 20 & 15 meter bands
KNB1  Noise Blanker
KAT1  Internal ATU
KBT1  Internal Battery Adapter
KTS1  Wide Range Tilt Stand
And, of course all the documentation.


Although I absolutely love this little rig, I don't get on the air much. 
 Being temporarily without income, I need to let some of my "toys" go 
(to keep my XYL happy!).


I you are interested, please reply direct; I will consider any serious 
offer.  I will email pictures on request.


Thanks!

- Thor, N9IK

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[Elecraft] FB FD TNX 2 K2

2004-06-27 Thread BobDobson
All:
 
I have a feeling I'm not the only one who had an outstanding FD thanks to  the
Elecraft K2.  I for one have about the puniest signal anywhere thanks  to an
all-too-common lack of real estate to erect proper antennas.   Nonetheless, I
absolutely love Field Day.  Like many people these days, I have more  than 
one rig to choose from as my FD radio.  Yes, I have an Orion and could  drag
an IC-756PRO (no, not the PROII) out of mothballs if I cared to, but I  love 
the
way that I can operate the K2 with one hand (without having to fly across 
several feet of front panel and navigate several layers of menus).   Plus, 
after
many, many turns of the A/B switch, I have concluded that my K2 can hear 
ANYTHING any of the other radios can hear.  Since I built it myself, I  even
ran through the alignments again just before FD began.  What a waste  of time;
it was still perfectly tuned.  
 
Kudos to Wayne, Eric, and all the folks at Elecraft that make it possible  for
slobs like me to wish they hadn't wasted their money on other (i.e.,  non-
Elecraft) radios.
 
73,
 
Bob  WA4FOM
 
K2 # 2537
 
 
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[Elecraft] Re: K2/DX proposal (was Why not? and IC-7800)

2004-06-27 Thread David Toepfer
It sounds like what such people would like, unless there is some even better
than K2 performance in the works, is a K2 repackaged/modified with a different
front panel (number, size, and placement of buttons, perhaps a second VFO knob,
and perhaps a larger case even, with room for a display and a whole host of
potential options) and perhaps a different/larger set/arrangement of menu
options -- a K2/DX radio/mod perhaps.

If I were Elecraft (which I am not), and this description is accurate, such a
proposal might fall on more interested ears, as it amounts more to a mod kit
than a whole new radio.  It sounds like they do have a number of new ideas they
are working on, but if a large group of poeple are looking for a K2 more
tailored to the demands of their type of operating perhaps they might listen. 
Kind of like what they did with the K2/100.

Just tossin' this out there, as such proposals usually work better here at work
than trying to convince people to commit to coming up with something completely
new if you have something that otherwise does most of what they need.

dt
.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> Wayne, please take note.  The KX1 pretty much defines the "little"  end. Now 
> how about a K3 with which to define the "big" end?  I suggest a  more 
> ergonomic transceiver than the K2, covering contesters and DXers  specific
> needs 
> rather than backpacker's. Why not put to the list the  question "what would
> be 
> desirable in a K3?" 
>  
> Bill  K3UJ
>  
> ~
> >Yeah, that's if you're comparing the "base" K2 - when you add all  the
> options, like I have, it's upwards of $1600+ for a tricked out K2 - and  it
> still has mediocre knobs and I still had to jury rig a circuit for  fixed
> audio out - on a $1600 radio!
> The K2 is a great performing radio -  but for those of us who don't care
> about low current drain/portability it's  small size and mini-ergonomics
> leave a bit to be desired.
> 
> Rick  WQ8Q
> 
> 
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Dale Wiese

I love my K2, but the 11x price comparison number vs the 7800 offered up in
a previous post is as unfair a comparison as I have seen in a long while.
If the only operating you ever do is QRP CW to a resonant antenna, then the
price comparison to a base K2 might be fair - for your operating tastes.
Then again this is not in any way Icom's targeted user, or they would not
have put 200W finals and a line cord on the rig.

In fact if you try to come anywhere close to the feature set offered by the
7800, using K2 components as much as possible, you can easily spend over
$5,000, and not be able to do it nearly as well as the 7800 from an
operational point of view.  Before you reply and tell me a fully stocked K2
is only $2,000, remember the 7800 has a completely separate 2nd receiver, a
band scope, and integrated data modes.

Please note that I am a K2 builder/owner and love it, and neither have a
7800 nor plan to buy one.  I just hate to see such an unjustified comparison
become "fact" by virtue of being unchallenged.  There are many things that
we can feel good about owning a K2 without going so far over the top.  Using
the same narrow analysis used to come up with the 11x price comparison of
the 7800 to the K2, I can prove the K2 is overpriced by a factor of 30X!
After all, I can build a tuna-tin for what, 20 bucks?  :) <- obligatory
smiley for the humor impaired.

Dale N9XD


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[Elecraft] new k2

2004-06-27 Thread james
i would like to see a new front panel and case so as to use 2 k2 main boards u 
would have dual receive and no tell what else I would order a new k2 and 
the mod front panel tomorrow if that was to come about. harold n5tog k2 1587
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Any comparison has to consider what the rig is used for too.

Most comparisons are made by contesters. Assuming a rig that is best for
contesting is best for other operating is like saying that a championship
Formula 1 racing car is best vehicle for taking a drive to the grocery
store. 

Frankly, I *hate* tiny-bandwidth pinched filters. I use the OPT1 filter for
CW on my K2 more than any other filter settings. I don't care one whit if I
can hear the clicks from a rig 10 feet away 25 Hz from the signal because 1)
I don't operate 10 feet from another rig and 2) I believe that polite
operating requires more than 25 Hz signal separation on CW. Obviously I am
not trying to score the highest in a contest and I'd rather work DX that
isn't at the bottom of a pileup. 

I could go on ad-infinitum, but I've made my point. For those who are
looking for the ultimate "contest" rig, FB. Go for it and have fun. If you
are looking for a rig that's fun to operate, you may want something quite
different.

Bottom line, don't let a "guru" tell you what's right for you unless he's
doing exactly what you want to do. Even then, you might be disappointed in
the results. 

Ron AC7AC   


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[Elecraft] Portable vertical antenna

2004-06-27 Thread Ken Kirkley
Thanks to each who sent me a suggestion for a portable vertical antenna for use 
while camping. I now have several options to choose from.

God Bless,
Ken/NO4D

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka

Well, to compare them more directly, I think you have to add a bit more
"extras" and the price and is about 3dB higher since most people aren't
looking for a QRP CW rig.

I know I'll sound like a heretic here, but I'm planning on running 100W
almost exclusively.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Jeff Davis wrote:


What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver
is better than that of a $599 kit?


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RE: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800 vs K2

2004-06-27 Thread Mike Rioux
Let's not loose sight of the fact of the number of failed companies that
tried to
be everything to everyone. Elecraft has a nice nitch that they have
deservedly
carved out for themselves. Straying from that nitch by trying to compete
with the
rest of the crowd may not be in their best interests or ours.
73,

Mike, W1USN K2 #1964
Boxford, MA USA
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WN1DAE, WN1TPE, WA1TPE, NW1J, VE1/WA1TPE, DL/WA1TPE, G0/NW1J, EA7/NW1J,
P4/NW1J, P4/W1USN, V31RN, 8P9CI, VP2ERN, V26NR, FS/W1USN, PJ8/W1USN,
J75RN, J3/W1USN

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Net Report for 20 Meter June 27, 2004

2004-06-27 Thread Kevin Rock

Howdy Folks,
   I am a bit beat from the outdoor work and sunshine which is untypical 
for Oregon this time of year.  The new greenhouse is being a bit obstinate 
so it is taking more time than I would like.  Also more sweat and slivers 
;)


The QSB was slow but very deep.  I would get one or two exchanges and then 
the folks would be gone.  I got AB9V twice.  He wanted to make sure his K2 
was listed instead of the KX1.  He tried to QSP Dan but I am unsure which 
one: WG4S or N7CQR, GA or OR?  Then I got a fellow partially: N D S Z
OK .  I think UD would be BUD but I got his K2 4115 just fine.  So I'll 
dig to see if I have that NR listed in my database.  Yes, he's Bud in OK 
with K2 4115.  The number got through the QSB better than your name did 
:)  Then I got one fellow asking for CQ ECN and he just went away.


But now the list:

AB9V - Mike - IN - K2 - 3993
KD5SZ - Bud - OK - K2 - 4115
AL7N - Ed - AK - NTS traffic backbone for the upper 1.

There were a couple of other very light stations but I could not dig you 
out.  I am sorry my ears are not better.  I dream of a stack of Yagi-Udas 
up on my 100 foot tower but for now two G5RVs do the work.


Thank you all for checking in or trying.  The Eurasian and North Sea 
Elecraft Nets are in their formative stages.  Please support them if you 
get the chance.  We'll spread this net around the world if need be.  Then 
all you folks can have fun with a chat and propagation reports and just 
plain stuff.  There is no copyright on fun :)

   73,
  Kevin. KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

 
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Re: Why not? (was: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800)

2004-06-27 Thread wayne burdick

On Jun 27, 2004, at 12:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Wayne, please take note.  The KX1 pretty much defines the "little"  
end. Now

how about a K3 with which to define the "big" end?  I suggest a  more
ergonomic transceiver than the K2, covering contesters and DXers  
specific needs
rather than backpacker's. Why not put to the list the  question "what 
would be

desirable in a K3?"

Bill  K3UJ


Hi Bill,

Without asking, we've already received a huge list of excellent 
suggestions for future rigs. I'm afraid of what might happen if we 
*did* ask  ;)  That said, feel free to send suggestions directly to me. 
I'm saving them up.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Net Report for 20 Meter June 27, 2004

2004-06-27 Thread Bud Rogers
On Sunday 27 June 2004 20:44, Kevin Rock wrote:
> Then I got a fellow partially: N D S Z    
> OK .  I think UD would be BUD but I got his K2 4115 just fine.  So
> I'll dig to see if I have that NR listed in my database.  Yes, he's
> Bud in OK with K2 4115.  The number got through the QSB better than
> your name did

Yeah, QSB and QRN kind of ate the net here.   I wasn't sure if you heard 
me.  The KD6 calling CQ right on top of us didn't help much either...

-- 
Bud Rogers  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
KD5SZ   EM05vb  K2 #4115
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Net Report for 40 meters June 28, 2004

2004-06-27 Thread Kevin Rock

This evenings ECN netted another two operators:

VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
and
AA3WF - Mychael - PA - K2 - 1025

It was good to hear from both of them.  I hadn't heard Mychael in quite 
some time and it was very nice.  Ric's K1 is doing well as always.  He was 
recovering from a fun FD.  I hope you all got to use your Elecraft rigs 
for FD this year.  I know mine did a very fine job for me on 10, 15, 20, 
40 and I am sure it would have worked on 80 meters if I would have stayed 
up late enough :)  I attacked FD with less vigour than some but had a good 
time.  I set a goal and doubled it.  Maybe next year Ms Patricia and I 
will staff a couple of rigs and work FD on the top of our mountain.  She 
may just find time in her busy schedule to get her General license and 
work a little CW.  If not she can always work SSB or AM.  Nothing wrong 
with that.


Please support the Elecraft CW Net in your part of the world.  There is 
one springing up around the North Sea and another in Southwest Asia.  If 
you want to start one in Australia, South America or in Africa be my 
guest.  If you want to ask questions or get some history either write me 
( kevinr at cs.unm.edu ) or view http://ecn.visionseer.com/ for some 
information.  Some day we just may circle the globe with our nets.


If I missed you this evening I am sorry.  The band was a bit noisy but 
fairly good.  But I am pretty sure a number of you are putting your 
stations back together and getting some much needed rest after Field Day.  
I hope you all met or exceeded your goals.  Most of all I hope you had fun 
and ate some good green chilies :)

   73,
   Kevin.   KD5ONS   (Net Control Operator 5th Class)
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Re: [Elecraft] FB FD TNX 2 K2

2004-06-27 Thread bill linn
Bob and Group:

Me too!  Nr 4001 had a great casual FD in the wilds of North Idaho.Put
up a 40 meter loop.   It performed pretty darn good but must have been tied
directly to 6-Land.  :)   (I guess that the K2 knew where its roots were!)

My grandson, Justin, (age 14) has helped me with field day for the last
three years and usually spends time beside me logging and keeping track of
the Dupe Sheet.   This year he wanted to try his hand at the mic.   We
turned to 20 meters, tapped the tune button, and instantly were on the air.
He worked a  whole bunch of stations, including three stations in Hawaii and
two in Alaska.   (At ten watts, of course.)

Together, (5 watt CW and 10 watt SSB) we made just over 100 contacts with
the K2 and 40 meter full wave loop.

Three cheers for the group and Elecraft!

Bill - W7WEL

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800

2004-06-27 Thread Dwayne Barbee
Well in all actuality its receiver does not outperform the K2, while the
7800 does have alot of bells and whistles it is still 10 times the
price.

Doc YI9RVT
- Original Message - 
From: "Hisashi T Fujinaka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jeff Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: IC-7800


> Well, to compare them more directly, I think you have to add a bit more
> "extras" and the price and is about 3dB higher since most people aren't
> looking for a QRP CW rig.
>
> I know I'll sound like a heretic here, but I'm planning on running 100W
> almost exclusively.
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Jeff Davis wrote:
>
> > What kind of bragging rights is it to say that for $11,000 our receiver
> > is better than that of a $599 kit?
>
> -- 
> Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte
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[Elecraft] EECN errata

2004-06-27 Thread Dwayne Barbee
Sverre LA3ZA also was able to pick up a few checkins.
G4DMP 589
DL1IAQ 599
PA0RBO 579
 Thanks for the assistance Sverreif you have any suggestions for days
and times to run the Eurasian ECN then please email me off list. Thanks for
your support.
--
73 ditdit,

Doc YI9RVT/KE4RVT
Al Kut, Iraq
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Re [Elecraft] CW ???

2004-06-27 Thread Nigel
Hi James

This one by Gary Bold zl1an is excellent.   Introduces you to the various
letters in a well proven way then has about 900 texts you can practise on.
Handles farnworth speed, tone etc all independently adjustable.  Can send
random groups and you can paste any text into a window and have it send it.

http://www.nzart.org.nz/nzart/Exam/files/installteach202.exe


Also the ARRL mp3 CW files at http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/morse.html are useful
in learning morse.  You can download to mp3 player and go portable

Another is a new release freeware http://www.winmorse.com/ converts text
directly to audio files (wav, au, aiff & txt).  Conversion is fast and user
can select the tone frequency (50 - 4000Hz), wpm rate (any) and either Std
Morse, ARRL Farnsworth or Your Choice of spacing.  You paste the text into
the Window and press Convert.  Prosigns and non English letters recognised
and converted!   Extensive and informative Help Files.

I have used Goldwave to further convert the wav files to mp3 for playing on
mp3 a player as an aid to learning to "reading morse in my head". (Work in
progress)

If you want a device then the MFJ 418 might be worth a look at.  I have one
and it seems to work fine.  QSOs and callsigns are all usa orientated 

Regards

73  Nigel ZL2DF

-
Nigel Hayton
New Plymouth
New Zealand
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K2 #03029

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