Re: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment
Note this EC-text addresses mobile phones and thelike, and not their chargers As the text is to be included in the RTTE directive and the whereas part reads : In particular, mobile phones that are made available on the market should be compatible with a common charger, and in particular for the benefit of consumers one may conclude that it's mobile phones that are targeted only. The new RTTE directive addresses wireless radio only (terminal equipment will be left out) so it's difficult to find consumer products that are radio, need chargers, and are not mobile phone I am curious on how the directive will address DECT equipment, as they are often equipped with desktop chargers, that allow easy placement (and pick up). More specifically, this text is directed to Apple computers, as they refused to implement the code of conduct that introduced the micro-USB charger connector earlier last decade. Note that the directive does not oblige Apple to abandon their proprietary charge connector, but requires their phones to be compatible only. I expect apple to provide a simple adapter to make it compatible. Although the type of connector is not defined in this document, I expect the micro-usb to be the connector of choice , as this was the type recommended in the code of conduct. I welcome the standardization effort, but I think it has not been well formulate because the text will be largely ineffective as long as the delivered charger devices are not included allowing Apple to deliver the current charger type and for the EC provide a cumbersome external adapter (micro-USB to Apple proprietary) that will be quickly abandoned by its users, leading to a waste pile of adapters. I suggest Brian, that any complaints regarding this, are to addressed directly to the King of the EC in Brussels Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Verzonden: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment So the EU releases something for the Radio Equipment Directive: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2014-0246+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Which say this: A renewed effort to develop a common charger for particular categories or classes of radio equipment is necessary, in particular for the benefit of consumers and other end-users; this Directive should therefore include specific requirements in that area. In particular, mobile phones that are made available on the market should be compatible with a common charger Had not given much thought to this until a scope statement or definition for the particular class of equipment affected was nowhere to be found. Can someone point me to this info? Will the EU scope the 'common' charger for all hand-held radio equipment, or just mobile phones? Or perhaps the King of Brussels intended to say chargers for the commoners? Thanks, Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] SV: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard
Kevin and others ... Just to make sure . A manufacturer of a product listed within the scope of CPR (former CPD) shall issue a Declaration of Performance. In addition, the manufacturer shall issue a Declaration of Conformity covering the EMC and LVD (if applicable). In the past, a DoC could include references to CPD, EMC and LVD. Now, it has to split into two documents. Right? Best regards Amund Fra: Harris, Kevin J (DSC) [mailto:kevinharr...@tycoint.com] Sendt: 10. februar 2014 14:48 Til: Amund Westin; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard Amund, I discussed this with the SG07 chair and was informed that they in fact wanted to combine the testing but were advised that there were legal issues preventing them from doing so. This means that CEN (thanks John) TC 72 are the only ones now that can resolve the matter. Practically speaking however, as the transition date is so near, a manufacturer can't hang about hoping for a change at the last moment, so sadly, double testing for new equipment is on for the next while. Note that I say only new equipment. Equipment that is on the market already under the previous version of EN 50130-4 will already have been tested to that standard and so will only have to test to the deltas for the new version for EMC which they would have had to do in any case. Kind regards Kevin From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: February-07-14 5:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard SG07 say: *apply the EMC stadard that is called up in the applicable EN 54 standard, for CPR (former CPD) approval *apply the EN50130-2011 after 13 June 2014, to meet the EMC directive Best regards Amund Fra: Harris, Kevin J (DSC) [mailto:kevinharr...@tycoint.com] Sendt: 5. februar 2014 19:01 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard All, I have consulted with TC 72 (the authors of the EN 54 series) and they are well aware of the problem. The long term goal is to update those parts with the dated references but in the meantime I have the following quote from the committee TC 72 works closely with the group of notified bodies SG07 and I am sure that, where necessary, a common interpretative position could be produced and published to ensure a consistent approach when testing fire detection and fire alarm products. Kind Regards Kevin By the by: An amendment to EN 50130-4:2011 is currently with the CENELEC secretariat and is expected to go to vote in due course -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: February-04-14 12:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard In message mailto:023e01cf21ca$7b5915e0$720b41a0$@co.uk 023e01cf21ca$7b5915e0$720b41a0$@co.uk, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Jones mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk e...@brianjones.co.uk writes: OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised standards are harmonised under the same directive or regulation. But Guide 25 is quite general; it doesn't say that its provision only applies where the standards are harmonized under the same Directive. Furthermore, whether the dated reference applies or not depends on the detail of what function the reference performs, not on general rules. So we have a can of worms. At least, it seems that Guide 25 needs to be clarified, but the main point surely is that **dated references must be individually reviewed (by the committee officers or a delegated rapporteur)**, preferably annually, to see if they are still valid. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)
[PSES] LVD on ships?
From the LVD 2006/95/EC ANNEX II Equipment and Phenomena outside the Scope of this Directive Specialized electrical equipment, for use on ships, aircraft or railways, which complies with the safety provisions drawn up by international bodies in which the Member States participate. Ships: Specialized electrical equipment - is that equipment for running the ship as navigation and radio systems, engine control systems, fire alarm systems, etc .. In other words, equipment listed in the MED (Maritime Equipment Directive)? And equipment placed on ships which are within the scope, are all other consumer products as lights, TV and audio products, minibars, computers, etc . Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment
Hello Brian, I've had one eye on this for a few years. I haven't had time to follow through the links you provide but I do have some possibly relevant info. There is some interesting background here: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/index_en.htm The Docs Links link on the left of the above page takes you to the original Memorandum of Understanding and some provisional technical requirements. There is also a mandate to CENELEC to produce harmonised standards for such a charger. There is a RTTE Directive EMC Harmonised Standard for the common charger, EN 301 489-34 which is freely available here: http://webapp.etsi.org/ewp/copy_file.asp?wki_id=39521 Now some gossip. There have been murmurings in Brussels for many years about the inconvenience of a multitude of mobile phone chargers and some personal agendas (allegedly) to want to standardise. After many patient years of waiting, those parties have seized upon the 'green' policies of efficiency and waste to push this through. Personally, I think standardisation is a good thing for the consumer and the environment, but clearly not so good commercially for the manufacturers. So after years of resistance and under the threat of compulsory legislation the major manufacturers sign a voluntary Memorandum of Understanding to agree and comply with a common mobile phone charger. It's all a joke really. We're part way there in that most smart-phones at least adopt, by default, a micro USB serial data and power port but that's because you need to connect most smart-phones to a PC anyway. Plus, 'm pretty sure all manufacturers state that using non-approved accessories (i.e. not their own brand) can yield unpredictable results and invalidate warranties. It's clear that Apple have no immediate intention of complying, perhaps other than by the user purchasing special adapters. I know of one major smart phone manufacturer who declares in their technical documentation that their micro USB charger is not intended to comply with the Common Charger spec (therefore not having to test to EN 302 489-34). I know of another major phone manufacturer who declares their phones are for portable use only in the context of EN 301 489-1 and don't do any EMC conducted immunity or emissions testing at all, even though they supply chargers with their smart-phones. EN 301 489-1 is available here: http://webapp.etsi.org/ewp/copy_file.asp?wki_id=30979 Hope this is of interest. I've followed this a while and I'd appreciate any further information. Cheers, T - Original Message - From: Brian Oconnell Sent: 03/20/14 07:31 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment So the EU releases something for the Radio Equipment Directive: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2014-0246+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Which say this: A renewed effort to develop a common charger for particular categories or classes of radio equipment is necessary, in particular for the benefit of consumers and other end-users; this Directive should therefore include specific requirements in that area. In particular, mobile phones that are made available on the market should be compatible with a common charger Had not given much thought to this until a scope statement or definition for the particular class of equipment affected was nowhere to be found. Can someone point me to this info? Will the EU scope the 'common' charger for all hand-held radio equipment, or just mobile phones? Or perhaps the King of Brussels intended to say chargers for the commoners? Thanks, Brian - Thi! s message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard
In message 002901cf44d7$35f91f10$a1eb5d30$@westin-emission.no, dated Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: A manufacturer of a product listed within the scope of CPR (former CPD) shall issue a Declaration of Performance. In addition, the manufacturer shall issue a Declaration of Conformity covering the EMC and LVD (if applicable). In the past, a DoC could include references to CPD, EMC and LVD. Now, it has to split into two documents. It appears so; 'conformity' is not appropriate for the CPR. But the two 'document's can be on the same piece of paper (unless some idiot decides otherwise). -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] LVD on ships?
In message 002101cf44e7$d346a430$79d3ec90$@westin-emission.no, dated Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: Specialized electrical equipment - is that equipment for running the ship as navigation and radio systems, engine control systems, fire alarm systems, etc . In other words, equipment listed in the MED (Maritime Equipment Directive)? And equipment placed on ships which are within the scope, are all other consumer products as lights, TV and audio products, minibars, computers, etc I think it's a bit doubtful in the case of large items (e.g. minibars) that are fixed to the ship and not expected to be routinely removed. I would look to see whether the MED could be applied without undue difficulty. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment
I guess this is another case of Euro-politics. As an Apple user, I'm biased. Or, more correctly, I buy better quality hardware. I sincerely hope that for stupid reasons such as this, the EU doesn't sway Apple from it's current lightning connector. It is superior in every way to the USB connector. How about eliminating sales taxes on one or two power supply styles, lets see how the market reacts. I'm dammed if I want governments making choices for me! More like 25 cents worth. Derek Walton -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:54 am Subject: Re: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment Note this EC-text addresses mobile phones and thelike, and not their chargers As the text is to be included in the RTTE directive and the whereas part reads : In particular, mobile phones that are made available on the market should be compatible with a common charger, and in particular for the benefit of consumers one may conclude that it's mobile phones that are targeted only. The new RTTE directive addresses wireless radio only (terminal equipment will be left out) so it's difficult to find consumer products that are radio, need chargers, and are not mobile phone I am curious on how the directive will address DECT equipment, as they are often equipped with desktop chargers, that allow easy placement (and pick up). More specifically, this text is directed to Apple computers, as they refused to implement the code of conduct that introduced the micro-USB charger connector earlier last decade. Note that the directive does not oblige Apple to abandon their proprietary charge connector, but requires their phones to be compatible only. I expect apple to provide a simple adapter to make it compatible. Although the type of connector is not defined in this document, I expect the micro-usb to be the connector of choice , as this was the type recommended in the code of conduct. I welcome the standardization effort, but I think it has not been well formulate because the text will be largely ineffective as long as the delivered charger devices are not included allowing Apple to deliver the current charger type and for the EC provide a cumbersome external adapter (micro-USB to Apple proprietary) that will be quickly abandoned by its users, leading to a waste pile of adapters. I suggest Brian, that any complaints regarding this, are to addressed directly to the King of the EC in Brussels Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Verzonden: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:31 PM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: [PSES] common charger for radio equipment So the EU releases something for the Radio Equipment Directive: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2014-0246+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Which say this: A renewed effort to develop a common charger for particular categories or classes of radio equipment is necessary, in particular for the benefit of consumers and other end-users; this Directive should therefore include specific requirements in that area. In particular, mobile phones that are made available on the market should be compatible with a common charger Had not given much thought to this until a scope statement or definition for the particular class of equipment affected was nowhere to be found. Can someone point me to this info? Will the EU scope the 'common' charger for all hand-held radio equipment, or just mobile phones? Or perhaps the King of Brussels intended to say chargers for the commoners? Thanks, Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a
[PSES] New EU Blue Guide
Following review last year, 2014 version now published http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/documents/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm#h2-3 regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.comhttp://www.sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Compases and RoHS
Hello, Experts, I was just working on an internal RoHS guidance document and was struck by an idea out of the blue that might make a good topic for EMC-PTSC Friday discussion Wouldn't an analog compass be considered in scope of RoHS? It seems to meet the EEE definition as it is dependent on the earth's magnetic field to work properly. Or, is there a distinction between a *magnetic* field and an *electromagnetic field* that can be made to save scouting equipment suppliers from this inconvenience? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compases and RoHS
Lauren, Great topic! I can’t wait to hear people’s opinions on this one. I guess we need to further define the example as “a simple mechanical compass with a permanently magnetized indicating needle”. Seem reasonable? This way, for the sake of discussion we can exclude gyro compasses, electronic compasses, etc. Doug Nix On 21-Mar-14, at 13:09, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com wrote: Hello, Experts, I was just working on an internal RoHS guidance document and was struck by an idea out of the blue that might make a good topic for EMC-PTSC Friday discussion…. Wouldn’t an analog compass be considered in scope of RoHS? It seems to meet the EEE definition as it is dependent on the earth’s magnetic field to work properly. Or, is there a distinction between a *magnetic* field and an *electromagnetic field* that can be made to save scouting equipment suppliers from this inconvenience? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compases and RoHS
Thanks, Doug. That's a much more precise description (and exactly what I was thinking of). Regards, Lauren From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: Crane, Lauren Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Compases and RoHS Lauren, Great topic! I can't wait to hear people's opinions on this one. I guess we need to further define the example as a simple mechanical compass with a permanently magnetized indicating needle. Seem reasonable? This way, for the sake of discussion we can exclude gyro compasses, electronic compasses, etc. Doug Nix On 21-Mar-14, at 13:09, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.commailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com wrote: Hello, Experts, I was just working on an internal RoHS guidance document and was struck by an idea out of the blue that might make a good topic for EMC-PTSC Friday discussion Wouldn't an analog compass be considered in scope of RoHS? It seems to meet the EEE definition as it is dependent on the earth's magnetic field to work properly. Or, is there a distinction between a *magnetic* field and an *electromagnetic field* that can be made to save scouting equipment suppliers from this inconvenience? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
