Re: [PSES] Australia/New Zealand’s mains voltage
Hi Scott, For Australia equipment can be marked 230V or 240V, but must be tested for 240V. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mt Waverley Vic 3149 Australia From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Australia/New Zealands mains voltage Hi Mike, Testing at 240V is understandable. Should the product be marked as 230 V in order to meet the nominal mains voltage for Australia and avoid any challenge from regulators. Regards, Scott On 4 Aug, 2015, at 1:33 am, Mike Sherman - Original Message - msherma...@comcast.netmailto:msherma...@comcast.net wrote: Typical Australian national deviations to IEC end product standards require you to test as if your product is marked for 240V, even if it is marked, say, 230V. An Australian regulator with whom I spoke a couple of years ago stated that he had 252V measured at his office receptacle. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -- Original Message -- From: Brian Oconnell To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: August 3, 2015 at 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Australia/New Zealands mains voltage AS60038 indicates 230V as nominal, plugs must be rated 250V. First noted in 2001. AS61000.3.100, published 2011, has additional requirements for power. As of Feb 2015, the ACMA indicates that the 'public' mains is 230V, and that your equipment must be rated for 230V/50Hz. AS3000.2 indicates 230V for Australia in general, but utilities for Vickie, NSW, North, and Queensland, all indicate 240V as of 2009. Tasmania utilities indicates 230V. For some limited data points, my cousin says that it is typically 240V, but as you get towards interior, expect somewhere between 218 and 250V; and a customer that ships stuff to Aus/NZ rate their box for 200-240V. Brian From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Australia/New Zealands mains voltage Hi All, Australia has changed to 230 Vac from 240 Vac in 1980 in line with the IEC deciding to rationalise the 220V, 230V and 240V nominal voltage levels around the world to a consistent 230V. The voltage tolerance has been changed to +10/-6% due to this change so Australia did not need to do anything and was still in compliance. Australia adopted a 20 year plan to convert Australia from the nominal 240 volts to 230 volts, to align with European Standards. What is the current status in terms of voltage change? In addition, what are the specs on product (packaging, advertisement, etc.), the testing house and market surveillance positions to judge the product compliance – 230 or 240V? Thanks best regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message
Re: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?
Hi Mike, I expect that only an accredited Australian or New Zealand lab will be able to do this. You can try SGS Australia on ph: +613 9875 9000, or email: paul.huys...@sgs.com. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mt Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: +613 9886 1345 From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013 2:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs? Esteemed colleagues -- I'm looking for a test lab that is approved to run AS/NZS 3112 power plug tests in order to obtain a certificate for our design from Australian authorities. Can you recommend one, or are you one? Please reply privately. Thanks! Mike Sherman Graco Inc. msher...@graco.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements
Hi Jim, A declaration of conformity is required under the EMC regs, but not the safety regs. Under the safety regs there are two main categories of product in Australia, prescribed and non-prescribed. For prescribed equipment to be legally sold it must be approved by a recognised authority and the equipment is required to display the approval number when sold. All other equipment that is not on the prescribed list is called non-prescribed equipment. This equipment does not require approval and can be sold without an approval number. I believe the IT equipment we're discussing is non-prescribed. However, the law requires anything sold in Australia to comply with Australian standards. So to some people this means do nothing, and to others it means get some testing done to an Australian standard. Others go even further and get a voluntary approval from a recognised authority. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK The Electrical Equipment Compliance Professionals 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: +613 9886 1345 Fax: +613 9013 9552 - Original Message - From: Jim Robson mailto:jrob...@zetron.com To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG ; Dan Roman mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2009 3:46 AM Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements Peter, I have been researching this issue also. Can you tell me what Australian document says that C-tick marked ITE (non-Telco) equipment must comply (and/or be tested to) with AS/NZS 60950? The Telecommunications Labelling (Customer Equipment and Customer Cabling) Notice 2001 definitely calls out AS/NZS 60950 for Telco equipment. The Radiocommunications Labeling (EMC) Notice 2008 which covers ITE does not call out AS/NZS 60950. You also wrote does not require a safety approval from a state authority. Do mean AS/NZS 60950 testing must be done at an approved lab and then cite AS/NZS 60950 on the Declaration of Conformity? Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter merguerian Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Dan Roman Subject: Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements For safety, this is not a perscribed equipment and therefore does not require a safety approval from a state authority However, the product must still comply with the Australia safety requirements in AS/NZS 60950.1. This standard is harmonized with IEC60950-1 so if you comply with the standard and its' Austrlia devioations, you're good to go. Peter Merguerian --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com wrote: From: Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com Subject: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:23 AM Hello all, I’m passing along two questions for a friend that I cannot answer because they are outside of my product area of expertise. The product in question is a passive line filter for use with a PC. It contains overvoltage and line filtering components (some coils, caps, and MOVs). 1. Does the C-Tick mark for non-telecom equipment require both EMC and safety declarations? I know that for the telecom equipment my company produces, the ACA requires telecom, safety, and EMC (A-tick and C-tick) but I don’t know if the safety portion is a telecom specific requirement or not. If the answer is the C-Tick is for EMC only, are there other requirements for safety or other marks that would apply to this product in Australia? I am sure there must be. 2. Does a passive device like this fall under EMC requirements? CISPR 22/EN55022 don’t specify a lower frequency limit exempting products, so this passive line filter connected to a 50 Hz supply would appear to need testing. Everything I deal with has clocks in excess of 1 GHz these days so this question never came up where I work! It is always interesting getting questions outside of your normal day to day experience. -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. Product Regulatory Engineer Dialogic Research Inc. 1515 State Rt. 10 Parsippany, NJ 07054-4538 *mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com (Voice: +1 973-967-6485 Fax: +1 973-967-6262 Intranet: http://compliance.eicon.com/ http://compliance.py.intel.com/ Internet: http://www.dialogic.com htt ://www.intel.com/design/network/products/telecom/index.htm - This message is from the IEEE
Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements
Hi Ron, The ACMA normally only audit for EMC, C-Tick, radiocommunications and similar issues not involving safety. However, where a RCM (Regulatory Compliance Mark) declaration has been made this is audited by the ACMA. The RCM involves both safety and EMC, and the problem is that most ACMA auditors have an EMC background with very limited safety experience. Because of this they may not understand that there are other high quality labs in the world beside NATA accredited labs, and that many IEC/EN standards are similar to AS/NZS standards. I expect that if the company's compliance officer put the folder together and signed the declaration, they would be able to help the auditor with these issues. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK The Electrical Equipment Compliance Professionals 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: +613 9886 1345 Fax: +613 9013 9552 - Original Message - From: Pickard, Ron mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2009 4:34 AM Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements Dan, Jim et al, I believe the Australian document that you were requesting is the ACMA’s EMC Handbook, which can be accessed at: http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/aca_home/ ublications/reports/industry/manuals/emcbook.pdf http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/aca_home/ ublications/reports/industry/manuals/emcbook.pdf The ACMA does not impose safety requirements for C-tick (ACMA) or RCM (Regulatory Compliance Mark, owned by AU NZ regulators) markings, but I believe the “state authorities” that Peter refers to do and are the provincial electrical authorities (refer to Appendix D) which must ensure that equipment attaching to the electrical power grid is safe and in almost all cases pertains to power supplies and power cords. Please note that in some cases, registration will be needed. Also, Appendix E may also apply to your product. So, it is a good idea to also include an acceptable Australian/New Zealand safety report and the electrical authority’s acceptance, where applicable, into the product’s DofC and the compliance folder. In regard to your last question, although a CB certificate/report with AU/NZ deviations does indeed cover your product for safety in Australia New Zealand, the ACMA has been a bit persnickety during compliance folder audits about it preferring actual AS/NZS 60950-1 reports generated from NATA accredited labs. If anyone can point to an actual ACMA requirement on this point, we all would be grateful. I hope this answered your questions and as always, I stand to be corrected where needed. Comments? I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron.pick...@intermec.com mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:47 AM To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Dan Roman Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements Peter, I have been researching this issue also. Can you tell me what Australian document says that C-tick marked ITE (non-Telco) equipment must comply (and/or be tested to) with AS/NZS 60950? The Telecommunications Labelling (Customer Equipment and Customer Cabling) Notice 2001 definitely calls out AS/NZS 60950 for Telco equipment. The Radiocommunications Labeling (EMC) Notice 2008 which covers ITE does not call out AS/NZS 60950. You also wrote does not require a safety approval from a state authority. Do mean AS/NZS 60950 testing must be done at an approved lab and then cite AS/NZS 60950 on the Declaration of Conformity? Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter merguerian Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Dan Roman Subject: Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements For safety, this is not a perscribed equipment and therefore does not require a safety approval from a state authority However, the product must still comply with the Australia safety requirements in AS/NZS 60950.1. This standard is harmonized with IEC60950-1 so if you comply with the standard and its' Austrlia devioations, you're good to go. Peter Merguerian --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com wrote: From: Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com Subject: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Re: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand
My understanding is that some power supply battery chargers are exempt and power supplies with multiple outputs are also exempt. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: +613 9886 1345 Fax: +613 9013 9552 - Original Message - From: Denis Ryskamp mailto:denis_rysk...@trimble.com To: Anders Svensson B mailto:anders.b.svens...@ericsson.com ; emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 11:44 PM Subject: RE: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand - When is it mandatory? *Targeting dates from 1st December 2008 in Australia and 1st April 2009 in New Zealand - Valid for all Power supplies? *External power supplies - Marking needed? *Energy Efficiency III requirements mandatory, IV optional - Briefly the requirements? *go to link: http://www.energyrating.gov.au/eps2.html - Only marking requirements of status enough? *Registration of EPS Regards, Denis Ryskamp Environmental Compliance Manager Trimble Dayton 5475 Kellenburger Road Dayton, Ohio 45424 *: 01-937-245-5539 *: denis_rysk...@trimble.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Anders Svensson B Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:37 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand Dear experts, Anyone who knowes about the requirements for MEPS for Australia and New Zealand for a external power supply? Forv example: - When is it mandatory? - Valid for all Power supplies? - Marking needed? - Briefly the requirements? - Only marking requirements of status enough? All inputs is very welcome! Thanks in advance! Regards Anders - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Power adaptor to Australia
Hi Gary, This would be seen as a component similar to other component parts. The appliance should be EMC tested with the power supply fitted and then the main appliance C-Tick marked. Regards Barry Esmore - Original Message - From: Gary mailto:gmcintu...@spraycool.com McInturff To: 'Barry Esmore' mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au ; EMC-PSTC Forum mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: RE: Power adaptor to Australia Barry, Quick question. If the supply doesn't have the C-tick mark but is used in a product that does how does one get then get a replacement or spare power supply into the country? Gary From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: Re: Power adaptor to Australia It will require Australian safety approval from a state approvals authority and will need to display an allocated approval number. Also, a power supply sold on its own will need to be C-Ticked. However, if it's supplied with a product the product will require the C-Tick and it should not be necessary to also C-Tick the power supply. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Electrical Appliance Approval Consultants 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: 613 9886 1345 Fax: 613 9884 7272 - Original Message - From: Peck Hoon CHON (HPI-MY) mailto:peckhoon.c...@my.hpi-group.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Power adaptor to Australia Hi all, Could anyone please advice for product that market to Australia, is the external power adaptor need to have both C-tick and SAA mark? Thanks, PH Chon
Re: Power adaptor to Australia
Hi Gary, You don't need the C-Tick mark to bring it into the country. Different regs to Europe I guess!! Regards Barry Esmore - Original Message - From: Gary mailto:gmcintu...@spraycool.com McInturff To: 'Barry Esmore' mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au ; EMC-PSTC Forum mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: RE: Power adaptor to Australia Barry, Quick question. If the supply doesn't have the C-tick mark but is used in a product that does how does one get then get a replacement or spare power supply into the country? Gary From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: Re: Power adaptor to Australia It will require Australian safety approval from a state approvals authority and will need to display an allocated approval number. Also, a power supply sold on its own will need to be C-Ticked. However, if it's supplied with a product the product will require the C-Tick and it should not be necessary to also C-Tick the power supply. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Electrical Appliance Approval Consultants 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: 613 9886 1345 Fax: 613 9884 7272 - Original Message - From: Peck Hoon CHON (HPI-MY) mailto:peckhoon.c...@my.hpi-group.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Power adaptor to Australia Hi all, Could anyone please advice for product that market to Australia, is the external power adaptor need to have both C-tick and SAA mark? Thanks, PH Chon
Re: Safety testing after equipment repair
Australia has an actual standard which lists the tests and procedures for the regular testing of equipment in use, and equipment that has been repaired. I believe the standard is compulsory for building sites. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: 61 3 9884 7272 - Original Message - From: richwo...@tycoint.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Safety testing after equipment repair Management is asking me if we really need to perform certain safety inspections and tests after the equipment is repaired. Of course, the answer is that the inspections and/or tests are a prudent action to ensure continued safety of the product. Then they ask Does anyone else do it? Good question. Here is what we do. We intentionally tried to minimize the amount of inspections and testing. The protocol consists of certain visual inspections for such things as damaged insulation and missing fasteners; and a hypot test is specified only if the safety critical part being changed would be stressed by the test. So, let me pose the question - Does your company perform specified safety inspections and/or tests after repair of mains circuits? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
2 Phases in North America
Hi All, Can someone provide an estimate of the percentage of homes and businesses that have 2 phases in Canada and the USA? Also, what is the most common voltage between phases? Thanks and regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mt Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272
Re: Importing to Australia with a twist
Hi Dave, You will need an Australian entity to sign an EMC DoC and apply their C-Tick number to the product. This is usually the Australian agent or whoever collects the equipment from customs. There is probably no need for your unit to have safety approval, but plugs and cords must be approved, and any separate power supplies usually need approval as well. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mt Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 - Original Message - From: Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:19 AM Subject: Importing to Australia with a twist Greetings all, I have an unusual question. Say my company was to sell an IT product to a North American or European client who then would place the product in Australia. We meet all of the EMC Safety requirements for Australia and have documentation, but here is the difficulty: Does my company need an agent/representative in Australia, or would our client suffice for these purposes? Also, do I need to register or otherwise apply with Australia before applying the C-Tick mark? (I assume yes but have been unable to find contact information) Best Regards, Dave Heald --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Hipot test AC v DC
Hi Pete, I normally use AC unless testing across capacitors where you have to use DC. The AC voltage is usually stated as the RMS value and you will need to calculate the peak level and use this for your DC test. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Electrical Equipment Compliance Professionals) Ph: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: peterh...@aol.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Hipot test AC v DC Hello group, Could someone explain the followings to me please? 1-When to use DC hipot test in place of AC tester. 2-What are the advantages and disadvantages of AC or DC hipot tester?i.e comparing the two. 3-Is the leakage current trip setting different on AC DC tester? Many thanks Pete --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Australia Safety
Hi Richard, It's certainly mandatory for Australia, but was not mandatory for NZ last time I looked. The standard should be AS/NZS 3108, or for IT equipment you may use AS/NZS 3260. Let me know if you need further assistance. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Australia Safety Is safety certification mandatory in Australia or New Zealand for external power supply adapters such as the types used with laptop computers? If so, what is the mandatory safety standard and which agency certifications are accepted? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
European Plug Query
Hello All, We (in Australia) have a European plug that has acceptance from OVE, Kema, Cebec, Demko, Semko, Nemko and UTE, but we have been told by the European customer we need VDE to sell into Germany. I would have thought that any of the above approvals would satisfy the German requirements. Can someone tell me what the situation is here? The plug is to be moulded to a cord that does have VDE acceptance. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au
Re: TS 001 reports for power supplies
Hello John, You are correct, in that you don't need a TS001 report, but a CB Scheme report to AS/NZS 3260 is not always acceptable either. The ACA will normally only accept a report from a lab accredited by an organisation that has a MOU with NATA. If your lab isn't recognised by the ACA it will be a little more difficult to make use of your reports. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Boucher, John j...@bighorn.dr.lucent.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: TS 001 reports for power supplies All: In pursuing Australian approvals for ITE, I am getting requests for TS 001 reports for the system power supplies. These PSUs are embedded in the host ITE system (i.e., they are a component of that system), and the PSUs have CB Scheme reports that include the Australian variations. The systems have CB Scheme reports that include the PSU reports. I agree that the end system should have a TS 001 report, and if circuit packs are approved individually, those that connect to a telecom network should have TS 001 reports...but a power supply doesn't seem to fit the scope of TS 001. I have in the past supplied TS 001 reports for PSUs, but it seems silly, and I'd rather not do it unless it really is a requirement. John Boucher Lucent Technologies - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: TS 001 reports for power supplies
Hello John, You are correct, in that you don't need a TS001 report, but a CB Scheme report to AS/NZS 3260 is not always acceptable either. The ACA will normally only accept a report from a lab accredited by an organisation that has a MOU with NATA. If your lab isn't recognised by the ACA it will be a little more difficult to make use of your reports. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Boucher, John j...@bighorn.dr.lucent.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: TS 001 reports for power supplies All: In pursuing Australian approvals for ITE, I am getting requests for TS 001 reports for the system power supplies. These PSUs are embedded in the host ITE system (i.e., they are a component of that system), and the PSUs have CB Scheme reports that include the Australian variations. The systems have CB Scheme reports that include the PSU reports. I agree that the end system should have a TS 001 report, and if circuit packs are approved individually, those that connect to a telecom network should have TS 001 reports...but a power supply doesn't seem to fit the scope of TS 001. I have in the past supplied TS 001 reports for PSUs, but it seems silly, and I'd rather not do it unless it really is a requirement. John Boucher Lucent Technologies - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Temperature Measuring of Magnetic Components
Hi Kamran, I use both change of resistance and a thermocouple as a check. I would expect the thermocouple to read a little below the resistance method. Some standards require the change of resistance method (not the thermocouple method) to be used for compliance assessment of winding temps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Kamran Mohajer kmoha...@cisco.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 7:50 AM Subject: Temperature Measuring of Magnetic Components Hello EMC-PSTCers, I wonder if anyone knows of the method of measuring temperature limits on magnetic components. I happen to get involved in this and found that my results are different than the vendors result by as much as 10-15 degrees on measuring on a same magnetic component. Even applying the thermocouple to different location on a coil seems to give you different results. Is there a method that I should be following to measure temperature with thermocouples methods, not change of resistance, on magnetic parts such as transformers, coils, etc.? Thanks, *** Kamran Mohajer DSL Compliance Lead Cisco Systems, Inc. Phone(408)-525-6121 Fax(408)527-0495 kmoha...@cisco.com *** - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Safety of power supplies
Hi Fowell, It may fall within the scope of EN 60742. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: fwhitfi...@rheintech.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: Safety of power supplies Hello group, Is anyone out there aware of an EN standard that specifically deals with the safety of power supplies - the one in question operates on 230V single-phase and has up to six outputs one of which is as high as 1300V for a current of 0.5A. Thank you in advance for your usual co-operation. Fowell Whitfield Safety Technician Rhein Tech Labs. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
IRAM Argentina
Hello All, Does anyone know of a contact at IRAM, Argentina that speaks or writes English? Regards Barry Esmore
Re: Product Safety -Australia and UL1950 ITE
Hello Kyle, I would have thought you could get an average current using a digital storage oscilloscope. The 5 mA limit is the average DC Component over a 24 hour period. The lab will need to calculate the average DC current when the unit is being used and then take into account the amount of time the unit will be running during the 24 hour period. Additional information on this test is available in AS3100. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - Subject: Product Safety -Australia and UL1950 ITE Greetings. This is my first post here. I do both EMC testing and product safety, but primarily product safety testing and filings through Underwriter's Laboratories acting as both reviewer and submitter [Technical Administrator] in a two-person safety department. Reason I present here before you is a bit of a problem I am having with UL concerning an obscure requirement. I am wondering if UL is singling me out over an issue that has to do with the Australian/New Zealand specification for DC Component from AC Equipment. Specifically this is AS/NZS 3260:1993 appendix 3 (pp 366-67) or IEC 60950 appendix 3. I have an AC powered ITE product that uses two switch mode power supplies output connected in current sharing redundancy with AC input full wave rectification i.e. 'balanced input' design that I have certificates for but in which do not specify compliance with the appendix 3 criteria. Lab tests show these to comply with the 5ma limit for DC neutral leakage but readings are extremely fluctuating and difficult to pin down, but compared to other power supplies that do have certification, reads within limits. The problem is I supply UL with schematics that prove the supply has AC input full wave rectification (balanced input according to the spec and therefore exempt from testing) yet they are demanding test data. Up to that point, I was using a Voltech PM3000A power analyzer for all consumption related measurements including DC component (harmonic zero). When I submitted test measurement data, UL rejected it claiming (correctly) that the meter used had insufficient specs to perform the measurement according to the appendix 3 spec for test equipment. (Voltech had no idea what the PM3000A's series rejection ratio was until I inquired and had them perform cal lab tests to determine the figure -which was dismal at best) Since then, I have acquired a Fluke 8842A DMM (with 85dB NMRR) and attempted measurements but these readings are so wildly fluctuating that I would have to tally and average the data manually (or through GPIB) -which would destroy the accuracy of the measurements taken by a 5.5 digit meter!! Incidentally, the difference in accuracy (or believable numbers) between the Fluke and Voltech is nearly the same. I favor the Voltech with its 'data dump' feature straight to printed copy -very handy. Ok, so now I've got more questions than UL Northbrook or Melville can answer...I ask them how to accurately take measurements of a fluctuating phenomenon and they answer me with something to the effect that their QAS department is negotiating with Australia's counterpart in efforts to gain better understanding. Meanwhile, I've got a product that has been waiting since December '98 to gain full CB for the AS/NZS market. In contrast, I have taken measurements using both Voltech and Fluke meters of all our products and found one product that seems to fail the measurement but has certified compliance to appendix 3 through a New Zealand NRTL. When I asked the failing product's power supply vendor what test instrument they used to submit data they reported 'Voltech PM3000A' so I know they are not being honest. When I talk with the lab in New Zealand they claim 'balanced input' design and therefore no test needed, which UL has accepted. Is anybody else having a ride with UL like this? -I'm dipped in hogwash here... how 'dat for openers? Kyle Ehler kyle.eh...@lsil.com mailto:kyle.eh...@lsil.com Assistant Design Engineer LSI Logic Storage Systems Division 3718 N. Rock Road U.S.A. Wichita, Kansas 67226 Ph. 316 636 8657 Fax 316 636 8889 Fax 316 636 8315 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Just safety - nnot telecomunications
Hi Kevin, Most of what you have said is correct except I believe the authorities here consider all power cords (except for HAR marked) to be declared whether they are detachable or not. This is how we viewed the situation when I was involved in regulatory policing some years back, and I would be interested in knowing if the regulators had changed this policy. Also, other declared items that could be associated with Gary's equipment are the Australian plug, appliance connectors (IEC320 type plugs), and the majority of detachable power supplies. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - Subject: Just safety - nnot telecomunications Gary, The ACA (Australian Communications Authority) is only responsible for EMC, Radcoms and Telecommunications. It is not responsible for any other type of product. The safety of any product placed on the Australian market is controlled by trade practices type legislation and essentially requires that any product meets the appropriate and relevant standards for such products. In the case of IT equipment the relevant standard is AS/NZS 3260 (Australia's version of IEC 950). NOTE: AS/NZS 3260 is essentially the same as IEC 950 however compliance with IEC 950 by itself is not considered sufficient in many cases. If you have your product tested for IEC 950 PLUS Australian deviations in a CB accredited lab you will have no problems. In terms of electrical safety the Australian State regulatory authorities have listings of Declared Articles (used to be known as Prescribed Articles) and if the device/item is included in the Declared Articles listing, formal approval is required with an electrical authority (utility provider) in one of the Australian States (approval in one State is accepted in all other States). In essence, the only thing at the moment impacting IT equipment on the Declared Articles listing is a detachable power cord. There is not much available on the internet regarding these requirements. You could check the following URL for a very basic few paragraphs on what the State of New South Wales (Sydney is in the State of New South Wales) has available on the internet. there is no documentation however: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Products.nsf/All+Products+Docs/37A6ECBE54 30E7384A25677C002C04B0?OpenDocument Summary For IT equipment, no approval is required, except for the possibility of a detachable power cord. An electrical authority in any Australian State has the power however to request evidence of compliance with the appropriate electrical safety standard for any product offered for sale in that State. Usually this only occurs when a complaint is made about some equipment or an incident occurs. It is my recommendation any supplier ensure they are able to provide at short notice (10 days) a test report, by a reputable laboratory, demonstrating compliance with AS/NZS 3260 or IEC 950 plus Australian deviations. Hope this helps. For more detailed information contact me directly (see bottom of email for contact info). Best regards, Kevin I'm pretty frustrated trying to officially determine the safety requirements for Australia. I can't seem to get a handle on the ITE - but not telecommunications - stuff. The EMC I have handled but want to confirm what safety standards I need to meet. Again, I've tried the ACA URL http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm without success. They have not responded, but there site seems to address only the EMC and safety requirements of telecommunications equipment. What is the status on just good ol' safety for ITE. Anybody have a different URL than the above. I apologize for asking this question when we just went through it not too long ago, but I took the URL and thought I was home free but I'm unable to get ACA to respond to the e-mail or find a link that doesn't tie into the telecommunications. Rat Farts! Thanks Gary - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) with ESMTP id UAA07972; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA25356; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: a821af2b0a8cd211b34900e0b104148cad7...@steam.corp.packetengines.com
Re: Just safety - nnot telecomunications
Hi Gary, Give me some info on your products and I will see if I can help. I specialise in Australian electrical equipment safety issues and regulations. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com To: 'emc-pstc list server' emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:29 AM Subject: Just safety - nnot telecomunications I'm pretty frustrated trying to officially determine the safety requirements for Australia. I can't seem to get a handle on the ITE - but not telecommunications - stuff. The EMC I have handled but want to confirm what safety standards I need to meet. Again, I've tried the ACA URL http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm without success. They have not responded, but there site seems to address only the EMC and safety requirements of telecommunications equipment. What is the status on just good ol' safety for ITE. Anybody have a different URL than the above. I apologize for asking this question when we just went through it not too long ago, but I took the URL and thought I was home free but I'm unable to get ACA to respond to the e-mail or find a link that doesn't tie into the telecommunications. Rat Farts! Thanks Gary - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Australian Electrical Approvals Authority
Hi Chris, I normally use the Victorian authorities (call Alex Wild, Ph: + 3 9203 9770), but I have the contact information for all of the Australian authorities if required. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Australian Compliance Professionals) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Chris Allen chris_al...@eur.3com.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 5:05 PM Subject: Australian Electrical Approvals Authority Good morning, Is there anybody who can provide me with the contact details for the Australian Electrical Approvals Authority ? Thanks for your help. Regards, Chris. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Australian electricity supply
Hi Chris, In the state of Victoria and I believe most states it's +6% -6%. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au - Original Message - From: Colgan, Chris chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com To: 'Emc-Pstc' (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:47 PM Subject: Australian electricity supply Hello group Can anyone tell me the limits of the Australian consumer mains supply voltage, ie 240V +?% -?%. I have ordered a copy of World Electricity Supplies but it hasn't arrived yet. Thanks Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com = Authorised on 04/29/99 at 09:47:52; code 37160057E31C4EB1. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Australia Safety
Hello Koh, Computer equipment sold in Australia is required to be safe and meet Australian safety standards, but does not need to have regulatory safety approval. Voluntary safety approval can be gained from any of the state government regulatory bodies or from QAS (non government). Your CD-ROM sounds okay with just the C-Tick, and the AC-DC adaptor probably does require state approval as you have stated. These days almost everything is required to have the C-Tick. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: kohscp koh...@cyberway.com.sg To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Australia Safety Date: Friday, 16 April 1999 1:12 Hi, For US market, UL mark for pheripherals are voluntary requirement becasue these device are classified as SELV, but having UL mark is a preferred mark because it is widely recognise. Any AC powered device (e.g. AC-DC adaptor) must have UL mark to deem safety compliant. The other mandatory safety requirement for drives (CD or DVD) is the CDRH requirement which is the laser safety requirement. For Europe, TUV mark is commonly recognise mark but CE is a mandatory mark due to EMC LVD. Having TUV mark should be saying that the product complies to the safety requirement. AC powered devices must have TUV mark. I would like to hear the group's opinion on the above assumption/statement. The questions that I'm interested in is What about Australia/New Zealand? a) Do Australia has any safety requirement for computer pheripheral devices? b) Is it a mandatory or voluntary requirement? c) Is there any laser safety requirement in Australia? d) Who is the regulating authority for safety? d) For pheripherals (e.g. CD-ROM drive) having C-Tick mark only, without any safety mark, will it have any regulatory issue? Telecom equipemnt/pheripherals will be of a separate issue. AC powered devices, (e.g. AC-DC adaptor), requires to obtain an approval from any of the Six state authority (Office of Fair Trading, Office of Energy, .) Thanks in advance. Regards Koh - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
A recognised lab is required for Telecommunications (A-Tick) EMC testing, but not usually for the C-Tick. Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: rehel...@mmm.com To: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au Cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 23:48 What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. === === Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Strange tests
Hello Gary, It sounds like you are testing for double insulation (class II) between live parts and parts normally handled. You should find the test in most electrical equipment safety specs. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com To: 'emc-pstc list server' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Strange tests Date: Tuesday, 6 April 1999 9:12 Posting this for a friend who's as confused as I am. They bought a company a few years ago that had products which had Factory Mutual, ETL, CSA, UL marks. Some products had one mark and the others something else. At any rate after a few years he was visited by, I believe Factory Mutual. Hidden in their documents was a requirement for doing a factory dielectric withstand test with the equipment wrapped in foil. I vaguely remember seeing these requirements but neither of us can remember when or where. Maybe UL 478 or UL 114? Do any of you have a better recollection? He is trying to find the set up diagrams. Thanks Gary - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Australian / NZ requirements
Richard, The two countries have the same safety and EMC specs for IT equipment, but Australia has 240Vac and NZ has 230Vac systems, so you should get reports that cover both voltages. Australia also has additional regulations for components. There is a move to harmonise the regulations for the two countries, but currently there are still two separate systems. Regards Barry Esmore Australian Compliance Consultant -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@iris.scitex.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Australian / NZ requirements Date: Tuesday, 24 November 1998 6:11 Basic question for IT equipment: Since the test requirements appear to be the same, can you import products in to Australia or New Zealand and just include a CE type DoC and be covered/legal fro EMI, EMC and Safety??? Just so you know I am not being lazyI dug thru the historical discussions from the EMC-PSTC group on the subject archived on the RCIC page (a great convenience I might add)saw differing opnions over the years and could not come up with a clear answer. Thanks in advance, Richard Cass Iris Graphics A Scitex Company Bedford, MA USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Crepage/Clearance On Telecom Modem design
Mel, I notice you mentioned that European labs are using a working voltage of 150 Vdc which requires 1.6 mm creepage. I have assumed they were using 125 Vdc which requires only 1.5 mm. Probably the safest course is to go for the higher 1.6 mm unless the product is destined for a country requiring 230 volt Supplementary Insulation. Can anyone confirm what working voltage labs are using for Basic Insulation of TNV circuits? Regards Barry Esmore -- From: Mel Pedersen mpeder...@midcom.anza.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'Diaco Davari' dav...@pmc.philips.com Subject: RE: Crepage/Clearance On Telecom Modem design Date: Friday, 9 October 1998 11:51 I believe that your experts are wrong...4.2 is a rather odd number to come up with. The most common requirement here is SUPPLEMENTARY INSULATION for a PRIMARY CIRCUIT at 250Vrms (as defined by EN 60950) between the TIP/RING (line side, or TNV-3 side) and the modem or device side. 2.5mm of surface creepage and 2.0mm of air clearance is required here. This assumes that your modem or device side already has sufficient isolation from Mains, which is almost always the case. Many countries in Europe require only BASIC INSULATION at a working voltage of 150VDC, which equates to a 1.6mm creepage spacing requirement. This also assumes that you have sufficient isolation from Mains to you modem. If you don't have sufficient isolation from Mains, your requirement will be 5.0mm. This would be consistent with the REINFORCED INSULATION requirement between Mains and the Tip/Ring side. It is possible that your consultants are correct for your particular case...however, it would be a very unusual case... They are correct about one thing...EN 60950 is the correct standard. feel free to call if you have any further questions, Mel PedersenMidcom, Inc. Homologations Engineer Phone: (605) 882-8535 mpeder...@midcom-inc.com Fax: (605) 882-8633 I disclaim anything that may be wrong. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Feeding 2 phases into one telco rack
Jerry, It depends on which standard you're using. I recall there are some standards that allow this practice and some prohibit it. It is permitted in EN60950. Regards Barry Esmore -- From: Jerry Roberton jerry_rober...@net.com To: Product Safety Committee emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Feeding 2 phases into one telco rack Date: Friday, 9 October 1998 20:17 Members, Can anyone enlighten me whether reugulations exist in EU countries ( Excepting the UK) which advise against or prohibit the practice of feeding duplicated powere supplies from different 230 V phases into the same shelf or rack of telco TDM ( or any) equipment. The UK regs say no. Any guidance whether by proprietary standards or ETSI work would be welcome. Jerry Roberton EMEA Homologation NET Europe - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: C-Tick Mark, For NZ Too?
Eric, NZ has EMC regulations, but It is not compulsory to mark the equipment. On 1 Jan 1999 they plan to harmonise with the Australian C-tick regs. This means that you will be able to use a single compliance folder and C-tick mark for both countries. Regards Barry Esmore Forgive my ignorance, but is the C-Tick Mark (Australia's EMC Framework) required for New Zealand too? Based on what I have available, the Framework is an Australian regulation, though the standards (prefaced AS/NZS) happen to be aligned (harmonized?) on a regional basis between the two countries. Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Engineer/Manager National Instruments - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Safety requirements for Australia/New Zealand.
Michael, I don't know of any regs that require safety approval for a camera in Australia. For Australia you will need to have safety approval for the power supply and the C-tick (EMI) for everything. For New Zealand I believe you only need EMI. From what you have said it seems you have everything covered. Regards Barry Esmore -- From: sitar...@kodak.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Safety requirements for Australia/New Zealand. Date: Wednesday, 9 September 1998 0:31 From: Michael J Sitarski I am looking for some input on the legal requirements from a safety perspective to market a high cost professional electronic camera in the Australia/New Zealand markets. I realize that I will have to comply with the EMI emissions for each market and get a certificate of compliance. My question specifically relates to the safety aspects. I am using a third party approved powerpack for battery recharging. I also have safety approved batteries. My concern lies primarily with the camera body, lenses and flash. There is no dangerous voltage within the camera itself. Any comments or guidance would be greatly appreciated. MJS - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
Re: Interpretation of Australian Standard TS001
Hello John, There is no mistake with the spec's wording. The intent of the clause is to have cabling that will prevent the LIU from being easily bypassed. With the method that you have mentioned this could be achieved by the CE having a non-standard connector that will prevent direct connection to the network. In this case the user is encouraged to connect the CE to the LIU via the non-standard connector and then make the network connection to the LIU using a standard connector (RJ11 etc). If the LIU and CE were joined with a non-detachable cable this would also meet the intention of this clause as the user would need to make some serious changes to bypass the LIU. Regards Barry Esmore -- From: f...@netc.ie To: emc-p...@ieee.org; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Interpretation of Australian Standard TS001 Date: Thursday, 27 August 1998 0:56 Hi all, I have a question regarding TS001 - 1997 which is an Australian Standard for safety of telecoms equipment for customer use. Clause 5.3 permits the use of a separate Line Isolation Unit which is connected between the telecoms device, typically a modem, and the network. The purpose of this LIU is to provide electrical separation from the network to SELV, in the case where the device itself does not provide that separation. Clause 5.3.2 allows three methods to prevent the possibility of the LIU being bypassed, resulting in the device being directly connected to the network. The first method is the Use of detachable cabling that will not allow direct connection of CE to a telecommunications network My question is should the above sentence read non-detachable istead of detachable? Otherwise can anybody shed some light on the intent? All comments appreciated. John Fee f...@netc.ie - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
Re: I'm looking for EMI safety..
George, For Australia you may need ACA approval for the combined power supply and ITE or the power supply may require a separate approval from an Australian regulatory approvals authority. It depends on how the power supply integrates with the ITE. The safety specs are AS 3108 or AS 3260. Let me know if you need further info. Regards Barry Esmore APPAUST -- From: berk...@concentric.net To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: I'm looking for EMI safety.. Date: Saturday, 22 August 1998 12:46 ...requirements relating to linear power adaptors (for ITE) for the following countries; Japan, Mexico, Austrailia and Latin America. I'm already specifying the 1950/950 stds for US Europe. Would appreciate any all info.. Thanks Much have a Good weekend ! George Sparacino Boston Acoustics - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
Re: Glow-wire Test
Jae-Won, My out of date Australian version of this spec requires the higher temperature glow wire for connections carrying more than 0.5 amp. You mentioned 0.5 mA so I may be on the wrong track. I believe the concern here is a connection carrying more than 0.5 amp is more likely to obtain a higher temperature than a connection carrying less than 0.5 amp. It would make sense to do the test at a higher glow wire temperature when the terminal carries the greater current and is likely to get hotter. Regards Barry Esmore -- From: jwa-won Yoo jwon...@hotmail.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Glow-wire Test Date: Tuesday, 2 June 1998 13:15 Hi everyone ! I have some question about Glow-wire test (IEC 695-2-1) There are written by some kinds of glow wire temperature degree 550 to 960. In the standard, IEC 335-1, separated degree of glow-wire test based on attended appliance , current carrying part ( over 0,5mA) and insulation part. I want to know that what is the relation between current carrying part ( over 0.5mA )and Glow-wire Tip temperature 750 or 850. If anyone know this one, I would be glade to know. Have a nice day. Jae-Won Yoo RCIC - http://www.rcic.com Regulatory Compliance Information Center
