Re: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
I have also heard this, but haven't seen any evidence in our 3m weather protected site. This site, with shingled roofing and vinyl siding has never had a deviation wider than 1.5 dB in NSA measurements in its 8 years of use. Best Regards, Mike Fahrion mfahr...@bb-elec.com >Related to the issue of reflections on an OATS is contaminants. I have >heard from a few sites that have all weather test capabilities, that they >need to periodically pressure clean their shelters -- 6 dB was suggested as >a variation due to contaminants. If the effects of contaminants apply to >shelters, it seems only logical that the effects of contaminants would apply >to other obstructions such as curbs and posts; who knows, maybe even to >vegetation! (Anybody pressure clean their trees lately?) > >Don Umbdenstock > >Sensormatic > > > >> -- >> From: Robert Bonsen[SMTP:rbon...@orionscientific.com] >> Reply To: Robert Bonsen >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:15 PM >> To: randall.flind...@emulex.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >> Subject: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues >> >> First of all, expanding the width is a Good Idea. Generally speaking, the >> larger the ground plane, the better it will approach a "perfect OATS" and, >> hence, deliver better performance. This is particularly important for a >> smaller sized OATS. >> >> The minimal size described in CISPR22 is 1m beyond the boundary of EUT >> (quiet zone) and the largest antenna to be used. The metallic ground plane >> must cover the entire area between the EUT and the antenna. >> >> The ellipse of 2Rx1.73R (R=test distance) is a recommended obstruction >> free >> zone. Buildings, fences etc. qualify as obstructions if they are of a >> conductive nature. Chances are you will get away with a few hedges etc. >> within this ellips. The site attenuation measurements will determine >> whether the site qualifies or not. It is however smart to keep metallic >> objects outside this ellips. >> >> Definitely put the screen on the top of the concrete. Choose wire mesh >> with >> a sufficiently small mesh size (smaller than 10% of smallest >> wavelength-to-be-measured) and solder at the seams of the individual >> overlapping sheets every 3-5 inches or so (recommended is 10% of smallest >> wavelength but experience has shown that is excessively stringent most of >> the time). >> >> If you cannot bury the power cables or the signal cables run them >> perpendicular to the measurement axis on top of the ground plane. Make >> sure >> to bond these cable to the ground plane since any metal above the metallic >> ground plane may influence measurements and, hence, should be present in >> the same configuration the site attenuation qualification measurements are >> done. >> >> One additional issue is the ground plane termination into the surrounding >> earth. In case of an abrupt termination at the edges of the ground plane, >> eg. in the case of a rooftop OATS, the reflection from the edges of the >> ground plane may have significant impact on measurements. Even on a very >> large OATS the reflections from the ground plane edges will show up in >> measurements, when the edges are not properly terminated. This effect can >> be significantly reduced by providing a smooth transition between the >> ground plane and the surrounding earth, eg. by running the mesh wire out >> beyond the concrete and burrying it in the surrounding dirt and by >> shoveling up the dirt to the level of the ground plane. Note that >> reflections from the ground plane terminations do not necessarily >> disqualify an OATS in the site attenuation measurements. The net effect >> depends on a variety of factors, including the size of the ground plane >> and >> the measurement range layout. >> >> Sometimes an OATS does not meet site attenuation requirements, which >> happens more often in the case of a smaller OATS than with larger ones. By >> doing proper diagnostic measurements it is possible to indicate where >> reflections due to site imperfectness or obstructions are originating from >> and eliminate the problem. >> >> Regards, >> Robert Bonsen >> EMC facility consultant >> >> Robert Bonsen >> Principal Consultant >> Orion Scientific >> email: rbon...@orionscientific.com >> URL: http://www.orionscientific.com >> phone: (512) 347 7393; FAX: (512) 328 9240 >> >> >> - >> This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. >> To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org >> with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the >> quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, >> j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or >> roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). >> > >- >This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the >quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, >j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.h
RE: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
Ever hear of the Stealth Bomber? Same idea. Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety EOS Corp. -- From: Robert Bonsen[SMTP:rbon...@orionscientific.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues I think a few sites exist having serrations like that. Typically shaped with a cosine taper or triangular, with a spatial distribution which is optimized to minimize edge reflections. Interesting concept that has been used in a wide variety of applications to eliminate edge reflections caused by an abrupt transition from reflecting surface to free space, like compact ranges and reflector dish antennas. This concept will work particularly well on a roof-top OATS where there is no surrounding dirt to transition the ground plane in to. The reduction in edge reflections will be better for a smaller OATS since these edge reflections become more noticable with smaller ground plane size. Hence the performance improvement for a smaller OATS will be considerably better. There are several papers on this type of edge termination used in compact ranges, reflector antennas, radar targets etc, for reducing edge reflections and side lobe levels. Check AMTA proceedings or IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation. I don't recall a specific paper on using serrations on an OATS ground plane though. Anybody else? -Robert EMC facility design consultant Robert Bonsen Principal Consultant Orion Scientific email: rbon...@orionscientific.com URL: http://www.orionscientific.com phone: (512) 347 7393; FAX: (512) 328 9240 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
Related to the issue of reflections on an OATS is contaminants. I have heard from a few sites that have all weather test capabilities, that they need to periodically pressure clean their shelters -- 6 dB was suggested as a variation due to contaminants. If the effects of contaminants apply to shelters, it seems only logical that the effects of contaminants would apply to other obstructions such as curbs and posts; who knows, maybe even to vegetation! (Anybody pressure clean their trees lately?) Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic > -- > From: Robert Bonsen[SMTP:rbon...@orionscientific.com] > Reply To: Robert Bonsen > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:15 PM > To: randall.flind...@emulex.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues > > First of all, expanding the width is a Good Idea. Generally speaking, the > larger the ground plane, the better it will approach a "perfect OATS" and, > hence, deliver better performance. This is particularly important for a > smaller sized OATS. > > The minimal size described in CISPR22 is 1m beyond the boundary of EUT > (quiet zone) and the largest antenna to be used. The metallic ground plane > must cover the entire area between the EUT and the antenna. > > The ellipse of 2Rx1.73R (R=test distance) is a recommended obstruction > free > zone. Buildings, fences etc. qualify as obstructions if they are of a > conductive nature. Chances are you will get away with a few hedges etc. > within this ellips. The site attenuation measurements will determine > whether the site qualifies or not. It is however smart to keep metallic > objects outside this ellips. > > Definitely put the screen on the top of the concrete. Choose wire mesh > with > a sufficiently small mesh size (smaller than 10% of smallest > wavelength-to-be-measured) and solder at the seams of the individual > overlapping sheets every 3-5 inches or so (recommended is 10% of smallest > wavelength but experience has shown that is excessively stringent most of > the time). > > If you cannot bury the power cables or the signal cables run them > perpendicular to the measurement axis on top of the ground plane. Make > sure > to bond these cable to the ground plane since any metal above the metallic > ground plane may influence measurements and, hence, should be present in > the same configuration the site attenuation qualification measurements are > done. > > One additional issue is the ground plane termination into the surrounding > earth. In case of an abrupt termination at the edges of the ground plane, > eg. in the case of a rooftop OATS, the reflection from the edges of the > ground plane may have significant impact on measurements. Even on a very > large OATS the reflections from the ground plane edges will show up in > measurements, when the edges are not properly terminated. This effect can > be significantly reduced by providing a smooth transition between the > ground plane and the surrounding earth, eg. by running the mesh wire out > beyond the concrete and burrying it in the surrounding dirt and by > shoveling up the dirt to the level of the ground plane. Note that > reflections from the ground plane terminations do not necessarily > disqualify an OATS in the site attenuation measurements. The net effect > depends on a variety of factors, including the size of the ground plane > and > the measurement range layout. > > Sometimes an OATS does not meet site attenuation requirements, which > happens more often in the case of a smaller OATS than with larger ones. By > doing proper diagnostic measurements it is possible to indicate where > reflections due to site imperfectness or obstructions are originating from > and eliminate the problem. > > Regards, > Robert Bonsen > EMC facility consultant > > Robert Bonsen > Principal Consultant > Orion Scientific > email: rbon...@orionscientific.com > URL: http://www.orionscientific.com > phone: (512) 347 7393; FAX: (512) 328 9240 > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
Gent's Scientific-Atlanta has build dish antennas with this type of construction. The idea was the same, to lessen the transition on the edge of the dish. The idea never made it into production. The cost/benefit was not that great. My approach is to over build the ground plain. What I am using now is about 40x80 ft of galvanized steel hardware cloth soldered every 5 to 6 inches. This allows me to test to other standards as well. Al Patrick Scientific-Atlanta EMC Lab, Engineering Manager al.patr...@sciatl.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Re: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues Author: "lfresea...@aol.com" [SMTP:lfresea...@aol.com] at IMS List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:11-12-98 10:03 PM Chaps, I recall an interesting paper where the ground plane edge did not end abruptly, but was shaped with what looked like petals. The work was also stretched to cover dish antennas etc. For some reason the idea came from Georgia springs to mind. The paper claimed better performance from a smaller plane, especially when elevated above ground level. Alas, I can't recall where I read this.. Can someone else? Best regards, Derek. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
I think a few sites exist having serrations like that. Typically shaped with a cosine taper or triangular, with a spatial distribution which is optimized to minimize edge reflections. Interesting concept that has been used in a wide variety of applications to eliminate edge reflections caused by an abrupt transition from reflecting surface to free space, like compact ranges and reflector dish antennas. This concept will work particularly well on a roof-top OATS where there is no surrounding dirt to transition the ground plane in to. The reduction in edge reflections will be better for a smaller OATS since these edge reflections become more noticable with smaller ground plane size. Hence the performance improvement for a smaller OATS will be considerably better. There are several papers on this type of edge termination used in compact ranges, reflector antennas, radar targets etc, for reducing edge reflections and side lobe levels. Check AMTA proceedings or IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation. I don't recall a specific paper on using serrations on an OATS ground plane though. Anybody else? -Robert EMC facility design consultant Robert Bonsen Principal Consultant Orion Scientific email: rbon...@orionscientific.com URL: http://www.orionscientific.com phone: (512) 347 7393; FAX: (512) 328 9240 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: ANSI C63.4-- OATS construction issues
Chaps, I recall an interesting paper where the ground plane edge did not end abruptly, but was shaped with what looked like petals. The work was also stretched to cover dish antennas etc. For some reason the idea came from Georgia springs to mind. The paper claimed better performance from a smaller plane, especially when elevated above ground level. Alas, I can't recall where I read this.. Can someone else? Best regards, Derek. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
