Re: EN 61326 Vs EN 61131-2
Hi, here are the important differences: EN 61326 is a product family standard. EN 61131-2 is a product standard: IEC 61000-4-3 1,4 - 2,0 GHz / 800 / 960 MHz with 10 V/m, more detailed requirements and test setups for conducted disturbances in specific EMC zones. The product standard has pre-eminence to the the product family standard. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Yours sincerely Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Chairman of the Product Conformity Group (DIN ANP German Committee of Standards Users) GLOBALNORM - Global Regulatory Compliance Fon: +49 30 6392-3860, Direct Call: 3861 Fax: +49 30 6392-3863 Rudower Chaussee 29 12489 Berlin Germany http://www.globalnorm.ca www.globalnorm.ca http://www.Globalnorm.de www.Globalnorm.de - Original Message - From: Derek Walton mailto:lfresea...@aol.com To: IEEE EMC Discussion Group mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: EN 61326 Vs EN 61131-2 Morning all, can anyone give me a quick overview of how these stds differ please? I'm familier with EN 61326, but not EN 61131-2 Thanks, Derek. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Vs EN 61131-2
In message 4490f830.5060...@aol.com, dated Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Derek Walton lfresea...@aol.com writes can anyone give me a quick overview of how these stds differ please? I'm familier with EN 61326, but not EN 61131-2 EN 61326:1998, IEC 61326-1:1997 Electrical equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use. EMC requirements EN 61131-2:2003 Programmable controllers. Equipment requirements and tests The answer to your question seems to be 'Quite a lot.' You could get the above information, and more, free of charge from the public part of the BSI web site: http://www.bsonline.bsi-global.com/server/index.jsp -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
John et al I obtained a copy of the complete standard i.e. EN61326 + A1+A2+A3 from them in July 2005 at a very favourable cost. Ian Gordon __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
In message e1ba0362b28ed211a1e80008c71ea30603387...@z-160-100-30-252.est.ibm.com, dated Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@bocedwards.com writes We subscribe to BSI online but I got my paper copy from BSI by phoning up BSI publications and asking for it in July 2005. This was not an expensive approach! BSI On-line no longer list that amendment as 'available separately'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
John et al Without going into any detail at all Amendment 3 (actually dated 2004 in the standard with a DOPOCOCOSS of 2006-10-01) incorporates Annex E and Annex F. These are concerned with the following: ANNEX E: Test configurations, operational conditions and performance criteria for portable test, measuring and monitoring equipment used in low voltage distribution systems ANNEX F: Test configurations, operational conditions and performance criteria for transducers with integrated or remote signal conditioning This later annex also focuses on pressure transducers for some reason and raises a whole can of worms!. We subscribe to BSI online but I got my paper copy from BSI by phoning up BSI publications and asking for it in July 2005. This was not an expensive approach! What concerns me more about this is the timescale over which upcoming IEC versions of the standard will be adopted as ENs : http://www.iec.ch/cgi-bin/procgi.pl/www/iecwww.p?wwwlang=ewwwprog=pro-det.p progdb=db1He=IECPu=61326Pa=1Se=Am=Fr=TR=Ed=1 These cite the latest versions of the basic standards. If anyone has any information on these new IEC versions and the timescales thereof then please let me know. Ian Gordon __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Svar: Re: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
Hi all, The EN 61326 A3 can be purchased separately from the Danish Standards http://www.en.ds.dk/ eventhoug it´s in Denmark tehy offer online trade and the link uses the English text version. Search for: EN 61326 to get a full list of offerings for the mentioned standard. B.Rrgds. Peter Weichel PBI-Dansensor A/S Denmark John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk 26-02-2006 08:30 In message 4400ce57.7...@iglou.com, dated Sat, 25 Feb 2006, John Barnes jrbar...@iglou.com writes EMC-PSTC'ers, What does Amendment A3:2003 to EN 61326:1997 cover? I've been trying to find someone who sells the darned thing, ever since it was first listed as a Harmonized Standard under the EMC Directive (Directive 89/336/EEC) in issue C77 of the Official Journal of the European Union (OJ) on March 31, 2005. British Standards On-line shows it as 'not available separately', which probably means that it changes things in many places in the standard, so your question cannot easily be answered. 'Not available separately' means that you have to buy an updated standard. There is an IEC 61327:2002, which may be adopted by CENELEC to replace the 1997 edition of the EN. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
John, We have IEC 61326:2002. My concern is that the C77 (March 31, 2005) and C246 (October 5, 2005) Official Journal of the European Union (OJ) published new Harmonized Standards for the EMC Directive 89/336/EEC, showing as the last item for EN 61326:1997: Amendment A3:2003 to EN 61326:1997Note 3 1.10.2006 No reference standard for Amendment 3 is listed, and I've checked all of my sources for electronics standards in http://www.dbicorporation.com/sources.htm without finding anyone so far who says they can supply this amendment OR a consolidated standard. On April 22, 2004 I asked this forum how IEC 61326:2002 differs from IEC 61326:1997 +A1:1998 +A2:2000. On April 23, 2004, Helge Knudsen answered that IEC 61326:2002 added Annex E and Annex F. So I *suspect* that Amendment A3:2003 to EN 61326:1997 also adds Annex E and F-- making EN 61326:1997 +A1:1998 +A2:2001 +A3:2003 identical to IEC 61326:2002. But maybe it doesn't... which is what worries me. I've been working heavily with European EMC/EMI/ESD standards for the last four years, and whenever I see (Modified) in a reference listing, I get nervous. I've seen EN standards that differed from the reference CISPR or IEC standard only in the date of withdrawal of the superceded standard. Usually the EN standard adds an Annex ZA (normative) that lists the EN standards to be used in place of the IEC/CISPR standards listed in the reference standard. I've seen one EN amendment, English pages only, that was almost double the size of the reference standard. But this is the first time that I recall seeing an EN standard/amendment without a reference standard/amendment. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ , and in April 2004 asked how it differed Woodgate wrote: In message $wl6j4aokvaef...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Sun, 26 Feb 2006, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes There is an IEC 61327:2002, which may be adopted by CENELEC to replace the 1997 edition of the EN. Oops! I meant IEC 61326:2002 of course. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326:1997 Amendment A3:2003
In message $wl6j4aokvaef...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Sun, 26 Feb 2006, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes There is an IEC 61327:2002, which may be adopted by CENELEC to replace the 1997 edition of the EN. Oops! I meant IEC 61326:2002 of course. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl wrote (in 020c01c56c3f$4ae83ac0$154d4d0a@MmRouter) about 'EN 61326 Deviation', on Wed, 8 Jun 2005: It is the whole standard (52 pages of text) but they forgot to add annexes A,B,C (I'm sure). Yes, if the standard has 52 pages but no Annexes, it is incomplete. In PN-EN 61326:20002/A3 (titled as Amendment) there is everything - the whole standard and all Annexes. What I don't like is that PKN still offers: 1. PN-EN 61326:2002 2. PN-EN 61326:2002/A3. And no world that 1. has no A,B,C and 2. has all. What would you buy if you need the whole standard ? 2. PN-EN 61326:2002/A3. Provided it also has all the changes introduced by A1 and A2, of course. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
John, It is the whole standard (52 pages of text) but they forgot to add annexes A,B,C (I'm sure). In PN-EN 61326:20002/A3 (titled as Amendment) there is everything - the whole standard and all Annexes. What I don't like is that PKN still offers: 1. PN-EN 61326:2002 2. PN-EN 61326:2002/A3. And no world that 1. has no A,B,C and 2. has all. What would you buy if you need the whole standard ? Regards Piotr From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: EN 61326 Deviation Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl wrote (in 000d01c56c02$95ae7520$154d4d0a@MmRouter) about 'EN 61326 Deviation', on Wed, 8 Jun 2005: Now I see that PN-EN 61326 is incomplete. What you have is just an Amendment, not the whole standard. So, you can't believe in any standard you have. How you all there work in such conditions ? We have to be careful to use the right standard and make sure we have the main document and all the amendments. It can be difficult: EN 55022 is particularly confusing, but people are trying hard to remove the confusion. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl wrote (in 000d01c56c02$95ae7520$154d4d0a@MmRouter) about 'EN 61326 Deviation', on Wed, 8 Jun 2005: Now I see that PN-EN 61326 is incomplete. What you have is just an Amendment, not the whole standard. So, you can't believe in any standard you have. How you all there work in such conditions ? We have to be careful to use the right standard and make sure we have the main document and all the amendments. It can be difficult: EN 55022 is particularly confusing, but people are trying hard to remove the confusion. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
I have PN-EN 61326:2003. Mistake: It is PN-EN 61326 February 2003, but the right symbol is PN-EN 61326:2002(U) Piotr Galka This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
Konrad, I have PN-EN 61326:2003. It says, that it introduces: EN61326:1997, EN61326:1997/A1 and EN61326:1997/A2 Except first page the rest is in English/French so I assume it is 1:1 copy. There are only 3 pages titled EN 61326/A1 1 - title page 2 - Foreword 3 - Annex ZA Trying to find what you say I found in Foreword the sentence: In this standard, annexes A,B,C and ZA are normative. But among all 52 written pages of standard there are no A,B,C annexes. If this 10V/m is in A,B or C then I'm home. I see I must ask PKN why they sold me incomplete standard. I have bought only few (about 10) standards. In PN-EN 55022 I found translation error (inverting pass/fail decision logic) - they said they will repair it shortly. Now I see that PN-EN 61326 is incomplete. So, you can't believe in any standard you have. How you all there work in such conditions ? Regards Piotr From: Konrad Stefanski kstef...@poczta.onet.pl To: Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl; EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org; Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Re: EN 61326 Deviation Hello For devices intended to use in industrial envvronment (Industrial data logger) - 10V/m is required, according to Amendment 1 to EN 61326. Regards Konrad - Original Message - From: Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org; Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: EN 61326 Deviation Hi Gary, I have no big experience in EMC but in my opinion: If you selected 61326 for your device then you can test 61000-4-3 to 3V/m (Table 1). Regards Piotr Galka - Original Message - From: Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: EN 61326 Deviation Table 2 of EN 61326-1:1997 states if you cannot meet Criteria A, you can fall back on Criteria B or C provided that both the (product) specification and test report highlight such deviation for the relevant combination of function and test. Given Industrial data logger, 61000-4-3 requires 10v/m, the product at some frequencies fails to collect and/or looses data. Question: If the deviation is written into the DoC which is included in the product manual that includes product specifications; then, can you say the deviation is stated? OR, must the deviation be clearly stated in product specifications (Such as on data sheets and/or within product manuals)? Thanks for your opinions. Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
Hello For devices intended to use in industrial envvronment (Industrial data logger) - 10V/m is required, according to Amendment 1 to EN 61326. Regards Konrad - Original Message - From: Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org; Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: EN 61326 Deviation Hi Gary, I have no big experience in EMC but in my opinion: If you selected 61326 for your device then you can test 61000-4-3 to 3V/m (Table 1). Regards Piotr Galka - Original Message - From: Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: EN 61326 Deviation Table 2 of EN 61326-1:1997 states if you cannot meet Criteria A, you can fall back on Criteria B or C provided that both the (product) specification and test report highlight such deviation for the relevant combination of function and test. Given Industrial data logger, 61000-4-3 requires 10v/m, the product at some frequencies fails to collect and/or looses data. Question: If the deviation is written into the DoC which is included in the product manual that includes product specifications; then, can you say the deviation is stated? OR, must the deviation be clearly stated in product specifications (Such as on data sheets and/or within product manuals)? Thanks for your opinions. Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326 Deviation
Hi Gary, I have no big experience in EMC but in my opinion: If you selected 61326 for your device then you can test 61000-4-3 to 3V/m (Table 1). Regards Piotr Galka From: Kozinski, Gary (GE - Infrastructure) gary.kozin...@ge.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: EN 61326 Deviation Table 2 of EN 61326-1:1997 states if you cannot meet Criteria A, you can fall back on Criteria B or C provided that both the (product) specification and test report highlight such deviation for the relevant combination of function and test. Given Industrial data logger, 61000-4-3 requires 10v/m, the product at some frequencies fails to collect and/or looses data. Question: If the deviation is written into the DoC which is included in the product manual that includes product specifications; then, can you say the deviation is stated? OR, must the deviation be clearly stated in product specifications (Such as on data sheets and/or within product manuals)? Thanks for your opinions. Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN 61326-1 question
Josh and Ian, The discontinuous interference referred to by Ian is commonly referred to as click noise and can be applied to short term line-conducted emissions of Class B products. Not to be applied to radiated emissions (which is not a requirement in EN 55014(-1)). It is referred to EN 61326-1 as I mentioned above in Table 4. I may indicate compliance with a standard if I am below the limit and within the measurement uncertainty, but I would never indicate compliance when above the limit regardless of where the margin is compared to the measurement uncertainty. I do not know of any limit relaxation for environment or duty cycle for this situation. Class A is the appropriate level for industrial environments. Sorry I could not be of more assistance. Michael Peters, NCE From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:42 AM To: 'wisemanps...@mchsi.com'; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: EN 61326-1 question Josh Although not referred to in EN61326 can you apply EN55014-1 to your product? This provides for assessment of discontinuous interference. Scope of EN 55014-1: ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY - REQUIREMENTS FOR HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES, ELECTRIC TOOLS AND SIMILAR APPARATUS - Part 1: Emission 1 Scope 1.1 This standard applies to the conduction and the radiation of radio-frequency disturbances from appliances whose main functions are performed by motors and switching or regulating devices, unless the r.f. energy is intentionally generated or intended for illumination. It includes such equipment as: household electrical appliances, electric tools, regulating controls using semiconductor devices, motor-driven electro-medical apparatus, !electric/electronic toys, automatic dispensing machines as well as cine or slide projectors. © BSI 14 July 2003 Furthermore, does the margin of 1-2dB over the limit line to which you refer to take into consideration the measurement uncertainties associated with the test? If not then the following may apply (taken from section 4.6.1 of UKAS document LAB34): The measured result is above (below) the specification limit by a margin less than the measurement uncertainty; it is therefore not possible to state compliance based on the 95% level of confidence. However, the result indicates that compliance (non-compliance) is more probable than non-compliance (compliance) with the specification limit. Ian Gordon -Original Message- From: Josh Wiseman [mailto:wisemanps...@mchsi.com] Sent: 21 March 2005 16:42 To: EMC-PSTC Subject: EN 61326-1 question All, I have been testing a clients unit that uses a universal AC motor. The unit is intended to operate for 5-10 minutes and be idle for 30 minutes up to several hours before it is operated again. The unit currently will not meet the Class A radiated emissions limit, the QP value is 1-2 dB over the limit around 45 MHz. Since this unit is meant for industrial environments I am curious if there is something that would allow this emission based on the duration of use. Thanks in advance for the help. Josh -- Josh Wiseman Owner, A2Z Compliance CE Lab Manager, L F Research *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc The information transmitted in this message is confidential and may be privileged. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify
RE: EN 61326-1 question
Josh Although not referred to in EN61326 can you apply EN55014-1 to your product? This provides for assessment of discontinuous interference. Scope of EN 55014-1: ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY - REQUIREMENTS FOR HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES, ELECTRIC TOOLS AND SIMILAR APPARATUS - Part 1: Emission 1 Scope 1.1 This standard applies to the conduction and the radiation of radio-frequency disturbances from appliances whose main functions are performed by motors and switching or regulating devices, unless the r.f. energy is intentionally generated or intended for illumination. It includes such equipment as: household electrical appliances, electric tools, regulating controls using semiconductor devices, motor-driven electro-medical apparatus, !electric/electronic toys, automatic dispensing machines as well as cine or slide projectors. © BSI 14 July 2003 Furthermore, does the margin of 1-2dB over the limit line to which you refer to take into consideration the measurement uncertainties associated with the test? If not then the following may apply (taken from section 4.6.1 of UKAS document LAB34): The measured result is above (below) the specification limit by a margin less than the measurement uncertainty; it is therefore not possible to state compliance based on the 95% level of confidence. However, the result indicates that compliance (non-compliance) is more probable than non-compliance (compliance) with the specification limit. Ian Gordon -Original Message- From: Josh Wiseman [mailto:wisemanps...@mchsi.com] Sent: 21 March 2005 16:42 To: EMC-PSTC Subject: EN 61326-1 question All, I have been testing a clients unit that uses a universal AC motor. The unit is intended to operate for 5-10 minutes and be idle for 30 minutes up to several hours before it is operated again. The unit currently will not meet the Class A radiated emissions limit, the QP value is 1-2 dB over the limit around 45 MHz. Since this unit is meant for industrial environments I am curious if there is something that would allow this emission based on the duration of use. Thanks in advance for the help. Josh -- Josh Wiseman Owner, A2Z Compliance CE Lab Manager, L F Research *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN-61326 and education microprocessor board
In article 011501c52891$fbe3b3a0$154d4d0a@MmRouter, Piotr Galka piotr.ga...@micromade.pl writes It is for: electrical equipment.intended for. educational use, That's sufficient for you. including . - laboratory use. I am trying to interpret the ,including, because I can't find my device in the list after it. I supposed laboratory use, but laboratory use is later explained as for analyse substances and prepare materials only. Does this 'including' means that my device must be in the list after, or the list after is also included to the scope (together with devices described before it). 'Including' is a non-exhaustive list of examples. The absence of your product from the list is of no importance. My questions: If my device is for educational use is it enough to use EN-61326 or not Yes. ? If not (I am looking on the list after 'including'): If device can be used for something is it for it ? Generally, yes. There is a CENELEC decision that 'function determines the applicable standards'. A washing machine containing a microprocessor is a household appliance, so EN 55014-1 and -2 apply, not EN 55022 and EN 55024. Is it for - measurement (it has analogue inputs so can be used for it) ? Is it for - test (user program testing) ? Is it for - control (has digital inputs/outputs) ? As you describe the product, the answers are all 'yes'. If not EN-61326 than which next EN- should I order ? In my opinion the requirements of EN-61326 are much, much more adequate for my device typical use and user expectations than EN-55022, EN 55024 or EN-61000-6-1 and EN-61000-6-3. Then go ahead and use it. I hope I made not a lot of grammar mistakes. No, your English is clear and has few errors. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN 61326
Hi Gordon, I've sent him an e-mail asking... I'll post his reply. Not sure if he has taken a long weekend... Cheers, Derek. Gordon,Ian wrote on 9/3/2004, 3:12 AM: Derek Did the committee member also say whether the immunity tests were to be performed continuously or at specific spot frequencies? Furthermore, are there any proposed exclusions from this requirement? e.g. if the product does not contain clocks above, say, 1GHz this testing is not required. I realise the best solution is to buy the document, but I cant see it on the IEC website - and BSI cant help either! Does anyone from this group have a copy? Ian Gordon -Original Message- From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: 03 September 2004 08:23 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN 61326 Hi Folks, a short while ago, a request was made for more info on EN 61326. I recieved this information from a committee member.: The draft which prescribed the 2.7 GHz RF-Immunity limit is IEC 65A/418/CDV. The closing date for votes and comments is December 2004. Assuming that the majority of National Committees are in favor of the draft, and assuming at least some editorial and minor technical comments will have to be dealt with, the earliest publication date is likely one year from now. That date considers the next working group meeting schedule of Spring 2005 where comments can be resolved and a subsequent and successful vote on the FDIS during the summer of 2005. Cheers, -- Derek N. Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA _ *** This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the BOC Group plc or any of its affiliates. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked by anti-virus software for the presence of computer viruses. However, the BOC Group plc or any of its affiliates accepts no responsibility for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments. -- Derek N. Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326
In article E1BA0362B28ED211A1E80008C71EA30602070166@z- 160-100-30-252.est.ibm.com, Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@bocedwards.com writes I realise the best solution is to buy the document, but I cant see it on the IEC website - and BSI cant help either! Being a still CDV, it's not publicly available. But BSI may well have produced it as a Draft for Public Comment (DPC), or will do so. You need to contact BSI Customer Services and be persistent in asking them to find out if it is already a DPC or will be one soon. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN 61326
Derek Did the committee member also say whether the immunity tests were to be performed continuously or at specific spot frequencies? Furthermore, are there any proposed exclusions from this requirement? e.g. if the product does not contain clocks above, say, 1GHz this testing is not required. I realise the best solution is to buy the document, but I cant see it on the IEC website - and BSI cant help either! Does anyone from this group have a copy? Ian Gordon From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: 03 September 2004 08:23 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN 61326 Hi Folks, a short while ago, a request was made for more info on EN 61326. I recieved this information from a committee member.: The draft which prescribed the 2.7 GHz RF-Immunity limit is IEC 65A/418/CDV. The closing date for votes and comments is December 2004. Assuming that the majority of National Committees are in favor of the draft, and assuming at least some editorial and minor technical comments will have to be dealt with, the earliest publication date is likely one year from now. That date considers the next working group meeting schedule of Spring 2005 where comments can be resolved and a subsequent and successful vote on the FDIS during the summer of 2005. Cheers, -- Derek N. Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA _ *** This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the BOC Group plc or any of its affiliates. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked by anti-virus software for the presence of computer viruses. However, the BOC Group plc or any of its affiliates accepts no responsibility for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN 61326
The date format published in BS EN61326:1997 is 2001-07-01 That should resolve the 'U.S.' versus 'European' date format question. On Tue, 04 January 2000, lisa_cef...@mksinst.com wrote: Could someone please clarify the dow for EN 61326? I've heard 1/7/2001 and 7/1/2001. Thank you. Happy New Year! Regards, Lisa -- Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN 61326
Lisa, It is July first of 2001. 1/7/2001 is the UK way whereas 7/1/2001 the US way. Barry Happy New Millennium for everybody! On Tue, 04 January 2000, lisa_cef...@mksinst.com wrote: Could someone please clarify the dow for EN 61326? I've heard 1/7/2001 and 7/1/2001. Thank you. Happy New Year! Regards, Lisa __ Free Internet Access from AltaVista: Get it, share it win! http://freeaccess.altavista.com/pika/www/initweb.jsp - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN 61326
Lisa The DOW for EN 61326 is July 1, 2001. Regards Joe Martin P.E. Biosystems lisa_cef...@mksinst.com on 01/04/2000 08:59:42 AM Please respond to lisa_cef...@mksinst.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Joe P Martin/FOS/PEC) Subject: EN 61326 Could someone please clarify the dow for EN 61326? I've heard 1/7/2001 and 7/1/2001. Thank you. Happy New Year! Regards, Lisa - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EN 61326
I don't know for sure . . . but one thing to take into consideration is your source of info. If the 7/1/2001 date was from Europe, be aware that in Europe that means January 7, 2001. In Europe they note the day THEN the month. -John Juhasz- Fiber Options, Inc. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: lisa_cef...@mksinst.com [mailto:lisa_cef...@mksinst.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 12:00 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN 61326 Could someone please clarify the dow for EN 61326? I've heard 1/7/2001 and 7/1/2001. Thank you. Happy New Year! Regards, Lisa - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EN 61326
Dear Laura, Yes, you are correct. You must start the test at the zero cross points (0 and 180). Best regards, Tetsuya Hashimoto A-pex International Co.,Ltd. 2nd EMC Division Yokowa Lab E-mail: has...@a-pex.co.jp Hello Everyone, While reviewing the new EN 61326 standard I noticed that the test value for AC power voltage dip/short interruptions (IEC 61000-4-11) is 0.5 cycle, each polarity/100%. I understand the 0.5 cycle and the 100%, the question that I have is with each polarity. I am assuming that each polarity means 90ｰ phase and 270ｰ phase. I would appreciate any comments on whether or not I am interpreting the test value correctly. Thank you in advance for your help, Laura Newton - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN 61326-1 April 1997
Jason, I too am interested in using the EN 1326-1 standard for testing my companies products, but I don't believe it has been published in the OJ yet (at least I have not found it, if it is). As such I don't believe it can be used by a manufacturer, particularly if you are self declaring. Did you find this standard in the OJ? As to emissions, I believe the standard says use CISPR 16, unless ISM frequencies are used by the product, in which case use CISPR 11. The manufacturer is allowed to determine whether to apply Class A limits or B limits based on end use location of their product. I would interpret this to mean that if your product went into an industrial environment Class A limits might be acceptable, where as, if it might go into a residential or certain commercial environments, Class B limits would be the better level to choose. Also, an early draft of IEC 1326-2 included -10, -20, and -30 (for use in Industrial, Laboratory and Portable locations) with immunity level requirements decreasing based on location. Has anyone seen anything further on this issue? If EN 1326-1 were to be used to declare a product would products intended for use in Industrial, Laboratory and Portable locations all be tested at the same levels? It doesn't seem feasible that the levels specified in EN 1326-1 would be adequate for Industrial environments. Any opinions on this? Regards, Gail Birdsall Compliance Dept. Hach Co. At 07:32 PM 9/1/98 -0400, Jason Chesley wrote: Thanks to those for the info on Korea. On another note. I've come across the need to use EN 61326-1 (April 1997). The standard is for electrical equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use. The DOW on conflicting standards was December last year. Somewhat unique to the emc standards, EN 61326-1 incorporates both emissions and immunity in the same document. Although the standard is clear on what equipment type is covered I was wondering if anyone has any input on the following areas: Minimum immunity: -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 and -11 (where applicable of course), notice the 4kv / 4kv on ESD. No magnetic (-8) even if applicable, say, under 82-1 (97)? No real mandate on emissions is stated such as the immunity was. In fact, if the country has specific exemptions (does someone know the country listings?) emissions is definately not required.. the whole section on emissions seems rather weak. Any comments? I have not seen any amendments to this standard yet, has anyone else? Jason L. Chesley Business Services Group Manager EMC Technology Services, Inc. UL - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
Re: EN 61326-1 April 1997
If applicable (has a power cord), then 61000-4-2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 11are all required for 61326-1. I'm not sure what you're asking when you ask for input. The levels in the standard are the levels required. 61000-4-8 is not required.EN 50082-1 is a generic standard and is superceded when a family standard exists such as 61326-1. The emissions are fairly clear as called out in tables 3 and 4 (the applicable test setup leaves something to be desired as it calls out CISPR 16): Class A = radiated and conducted emissions. Class B = radiated, conducted, harmonics, flicker, and discontinuous emission. I only have the IEC version of the standard so I don't know if specific exemptions by country are allowed in the EN version..I would be surprised if it didbut the U.S., for example, exempts test equipment from FCC Part 15. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (Embedded image moved Jason Chesley 103401.1...@compuserve.com to file: 09/01/98 06:32 PM pic06802.pcx) Please respond to Jason Chesley 103401.1...@compuserve.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc: (bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: EN 61326-1 April 1997 Thanks to those for the info on Korea. On another note. I've come across the need to use EN 61326-1 (April 1997). The standard is for electrical equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use. The DOW on conflicting standards was December last year. Somewhat unique to the emc standards, EN 61326-1 incorporates both emissions and immunity in the same document. Although the standard is clear on what equipment type is covered I was wondering if anyone has any input on the following areas: Minimum immunity: -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 and -11 (where applicable of course), notice the 4kv / 4kv on ESD. No magnetic (-8) even if applicable, say, under 82-1 (97)? No real mandate on emissions is stated such as the immunity was. In fact, if the country has specific exemptions (does someone know the country listings?) emissions is definately not required.. the whole section on emissions seems rather weak. Any comments? I have not seen any amendments to this standard yet, has anyone else? Jason L. Chesley Business Services Group Manager EMC Technology Services, Inc. UL - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). pic06802.pcx Description: Binary data
RE: EN 61326-1 April 1997
This may provide some of the answers to Jason Chesley's questions on EN
61326-1.
The DOW as stated in EN 61326-1 (1997) has no relevance with regard to
CE-Marking since I don't believe this standard is yet listed in the OJ. In
my view, the delay in seeing the standard listed is linked to the perceived
weakness on the immunity side since these are only mimimum general
requirements. There has since been an amendment (1998-05) which
supplements the minimum requirements with more demanding immunity
requirements for industrial locations, for example.
The emission limits are taken verbatim from CISPR and reference both Class
A and B. The user must select one or the other on the basis of his/her
class of equipment and supported markets. The exemption clause to which
Jason refers exists in the IEC version of the standard but (I believe) not
in the EN version. This in some countries clause was put into the IEC
version at the request of the USA in support of existing (FCC) exemptions
for certain classes of industrial controls. It would not be appropriate
for the EN version.
Norm Provost
--
From: Jason Chesley[SMTP:103401.1...@compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 7:32PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:EN 61326-1 April 1997
Thanks to those for the info on Korea.
On another note.
I've come across the need to use EN 61326-1 (April 1997). The standard is
for electrical equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use. The
DOW on conflicting standards was December last year. Somewhat unique to
the emc standards, EN 61326-1 incorporates both emissions and immunity in
the same document.
Although the standard is clear on what equipment type is covered I was
wondering if anyone has any input on the following areas:
Minimum immunity: -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 and -11 (where applicable of course),
notice the 4kv / 4kv on ESD. No magnetic (-8) even if applicable, say,
under 82-1 (97)?
No real mandate on emissions is stated such as the immunity was. In fact,
if the country has specific exemptions (does someone know the country
listings?) emissions is definately not required.. the whole section on
emissions seems rather weak. Any comments?
I have not seen any amendments to this standard yet, has anyone else?
Jason L. Chesley
Business Services Group Manager
EMC Technology Services, Inc.
UL
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RE: EN 61326-1
The EN edition of the May 1998 amendment is not yet available - according to my source. I did order the IEC edition. I will write up a summary for the emc-pstc of what the amendment contains, perhaps useful for those curious about whether they actually need (want?) it or not. It only cost me $50 from this particular standards vendor. Note that on Jan 1998 there was a short correction (corrigendum) document issued to the original EN 61326-1:1997 that changed the DOW from 1 Dec 1997 to now read 1 July 2001. But as Norm stated, the DOW doesn't mean much - yet. I wonder if it would be pushed further back than July 2001 because of the delay getting the original EN published in the OJ? Regards, Eric Lifsey National Instruments Provost,Norm nprov...@foxboro.com on 09/02/98 08:55:44 AM Please respond to Provost,Norm nprov...@foxboro.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org, Jason Chesley 103401.1...@compuserve.com cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: RE: EN 61326-1 April 1997 This may provide some of the answers to Jason Chesley's questions on EN 61326-1. The DOW as stated in EN 61326-1 (1997) has no relevance with regard to CE-Marking since I don't believe this standard is yet listed in the OJ. In my view, the delay in seeing the standard listed is linked to the perceived weakness on the immunity side since these are only mimimum general requirements. There has since been an amendment (1998-05) which supplements the minimum requirements with more demanding immunity requirements for industrial locations, for example. The emission limits are taken verbatim from CISPR and reference both Class A and B. The user must select one or the other on the basis of his/her class of equipment and supported markets. The exemption clause to which Jason refers exists in the IEC version of the standard but (I believe) not in the EN version. This in some countries clause was put into the IEC version at the request of the USA in support of existing (FCC) exemptions for certain classes of industrial controls. It would not be appropriate for the EN version. Norm Provost -- From: Jason Chesley[SMTP:103401.1...@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 7:32PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN 61326-1 April 1997 Thanks to those for the info on Korea. On another note. I've come across the need to use EN 61326-1 (April 1997). The standard is for electrical equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use. The DOW on conflicting standards was December last year. Somewhat unique to the emc standards, EN 61326-1 incorporates both emissions and immunity in the same document. Although the standard is clear on what equipment type is covered I was wondering if anyone has any input on the following areas: Minimum immunity: -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 and -11 (where applicable of course), notice the 4kv / 4kv on ESD. No magnetic (-8) even if applicable, say, under 82-1 (97)? No real mandate on emissions is stated such as the immunity was. In fact, if the country has specific exemptions (does someone know the country listings?) emissions is definately not required.. the whole section on emissions seems rather weak. Any comments? I have not seen any amendments to this standard yet, has anyone else? Jason L. Chesley Business Services Group Manager EMC Technology Services, Inc. UL - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
