Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread John Woodgate 
Russia and its 'close friends' have recently been active in IEC, 
including inviting the big General Meeting to Vladivostok (!) last 
year.  But consistency is not a marked trait in those countries.


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-04 22:40, Pete Perkins wrote:


John, et al,

Well, it wasn’t too long ago that we were trying to understand the 
BRIC countries from a regulatory point of view.


Brazil seems to have learned how to work the international system and 
is growing economically, especially in the medical area.


China is quickly integrating into the international system growing an 
infrastructure to support it.


India is working to get integrated into the international system.

Russia has not figured out how to integrate with the international 
system (and seems to be backtracking from international business).


Perhaps it’s time to more fully review wot’s going on in the world for 
our regulatory community and help folks get updated on such matters – 
in addition to the OJT stuff we do here piecemeal.


:>) br,  Pete

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

503/452-1201

p.perk...@ieee.org <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org>

*From:*John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk]
*Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 1:37 PM
*To:* 'Pete Perkins' <peperkin...@cs.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* RE: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Pete

Ref you 2^nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on 
certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few 
companies, experienced at first hand the costs of a company *not 
*doing its homework first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and 
some senior tech staff!) still ignored the reality of what they were 
letting themselves in for L.


John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
*Sent:* 04 December 2017 18:42
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Brian, John et al,

So this points out that there are consequences for actions – even on 
the World level.


I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to 
only consider ‘expensive’ certifications if they can expect enough 
profit from their sales to cover the additional cost.  (Gee, seems 
like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense 
in any case).


Anyway, a very interesting thread.

:>) br,  Pete

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

503/452-1201

p.perk...@ieee.org <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org>

*From:*John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
*Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Brian

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the “Big Picture” in 
Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website 
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and “explore”.


Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which 
they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the 
World – you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you 
interested.


You don’t have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, 
they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular 
articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis.


John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
*Sent:* 04 December 2017 14:26
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most 
helpful.  We are starting to get the “Big Picture”.


We have looked over the “TRs” and our type of products are not listed 
as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed 
right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.


They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven “prep machine for 
laboratory equipment” which has no high frequency components at all 
(which normally wouldn’t require any EMC testing).  It cost more to 
get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for.


If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing 
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all 
together. I hope it don’t come to that but that is the situation we 
are in.  But then again, maybe that is what they want.


Thanks again for your comments.

The Other Brian

*From:*Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net]
*Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EA

Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread Pete Perkins 
John, et al,

 

Well, it wasn't too long ago that we were trying to
understand the BRIC countries from a regulatory point of view.  

 

Brazil seems to have learned how to work the international
system and is growing economically, especially in the medical area.  

China is quickly integrating into the international system
growing an infrastructure to support it. 

India is working to get integrated into the international
system.  

Russia has not figured out how to integrate with the
international system (and seems to be backtracking from international
business).  

 

Perhaps it's time to more fully review wot's going on in the
world for our regulatory community and help folks get updated on such
matters - in addition to the OJT stuff we do here piecemeal.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org

 

From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:37 PM
To: 'Pete Perkins' <peperkin...@cs.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Pete

 

Ref you 2nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on
certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies,
experienced at first hand the costs of a company not doing its homework
first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!)
still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for :(.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 18:42
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian, John et al,

 

So this points out that there are consequences for actions -
even on the World level.  

 

I have learned from this exchange that I will advise
manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect
enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost.  (Gee, seems
like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any
case).  

 

Anyway, a very interesting thread.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org

 

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian

 

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or
many other countries as well), then go to this website
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore".

 

Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they
send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you
can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested.

 

You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they
would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some
sort of paid consultancy basis.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

 

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in.
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

 

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for
laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which
normally wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC
testing done then what the entire product sold for.  

 

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I
hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then
again, maybe that is what they want.

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulat

Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread John Allen 
Pete

 

Ref you 2nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on
certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies,
experienced at first hand the costs of a company not doing its homework
first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!)
still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for L.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 18:42
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian, John et al,

 

So this points out that there are consequences for actions -
even on the World level.  

 

I have learned from this exchange that I will advise
manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect
enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost.  (Gee, seems
like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any
case).  

 

Anyway, a very interesting thread.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org

 

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian

 

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or
many other countries as well), then go to this website
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore".

 

Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they
send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you
can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested.

 

You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they
would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some
sort of paid consultancy basis.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

 

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in.
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

 

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for
laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which
normally wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC
testing done then what the entire product sold for.  

 

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I
hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then
again, maybe that is what they want.

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built eq

Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread Pete Perkins 
Brian, John et al,

 

So this points out that there are consequences for actions -
even on the World level.  

 

I have learned from this exchange that I will advise
manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect
enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost.  (Gee, seems
like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any
case).  

 

Anyway, a very interesting thread.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org

 

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian

 

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or
many other countries as well), then go to this website
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore".

 

Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they
send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you
can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested.

 

You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they
would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some
sort of paid consultancy basis.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

 

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in.
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

 

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for
laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which
normally wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC
testing done then what the entire product sold for.  

 

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I
hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then
again, maybe that is what they want.

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety,

Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread John Allen 
Cortland

 

It's  not actually just existing legislation - within the last few years
Russia has introduced a number of new laws/regulations which specifically
require that some or all of many products,  activities, services and so on
must be made/done within the country, and that "foreign" sources thereof
must be minimised or completely eliminated wherever possible.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 10:08
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:



Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

The Other Brian

 

 

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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread John Allen 
Brian

 

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or
many other countries as well), then go to this website
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore".

 

Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they
send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you
can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested.

 

You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they
would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some
sort of paid consultancy basis.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

 

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in.
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

 

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for
laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which
normally wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC
testing done then what the entire product sold for.  

 

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I
hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then
again, maybe that is what they want.

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

The Other Brian

 

 


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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread Kunde, Brian 
Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We 
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as 
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. 
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory 
equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally 
wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC testing done 
then what the entire product sold for.

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business 
we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it 
don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then again, maybe 
that is what they want.

Thanks again for your comments.

The Other Brian

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing 
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including 
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

John E Allen
W. London, UK

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide 
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their 
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not 
issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were being 
rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against 
Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I had to 
obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume 
their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access groups 
that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl
On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:
Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping 
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on 
the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on 
mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built 
equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such 
countries without much trouble.

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of 
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia.  
Any information on this would be helpful.

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire 
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an 
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the 
works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for the 
few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here.

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but 
if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

The Other Brian



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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-04 Thread Cortland Richmond 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing 
regulations to erect trade barriers.


Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:


Probably due to Putin’s desire to promote (by any means – including 
regulation!) for *everything* to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!


John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 03 December 2017 22:20
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a 
worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs 
for a few of their products.  This year we learned that Russia started 
to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab.  The 
other CU nation's certs were being rejected.  I believe that Belarus 
has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that 
Russia is violating agreements.  But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert 
from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to 
Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access groups that I 
spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of mid-summer.


Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark
and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have
laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced
across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer
electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built
equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets
in such countries without much trouble.

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current
status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built
instruments into Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.

We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want
the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety,
EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification
program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah.  This
approach is totally out of the question for the few products that
we sell into this market.  Let’s be reasonable here.

So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the
shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top
of things.

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-03 Thread John Allen 
PS: Now recalled that Russia is part of the "Eurasian Economic Community"
(EEC!!), as is Belarus - but we don't need to guess which the dominant
partner in "that" EEC is! 

 

John E Allen

W/London, UK

 

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 23:10
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

JW

That's almost certainly true - t'was ever the case, regardless of the
continent/country J

 

HOWEVER, since the trade sanctions on Russia after the Crimea takeover and
the "invasions" in Ukraine began to bite, Russia has had a policy of
promoting Russian self-reliance over anything else (in trade) in order to
try to ensure that it can produce as much of what it needs from internal
manufacturers/service providers,  rather than allowing those
products/services to be provided from non-Russian sources (even from their
close Eastern European trading partners - there is an association  name for
those, but I can't think of what that is at the moment!)

 

John E Allen

W.London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:54
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so it
may not be all political.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

The Other Brian

 

 

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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-03 Thread John Allen 
JW

That's almost certainly true - t'was ever the case, regardless of the
continent/country J

 

HOWEVER, since the trade sanctions on Russia after the Crimea takeover and
the "invasions" in Ukraine began to bite, Russia has had a policy of
promoting Russian self-reliance over anything else (in trade) in order to
try to ensure that it can produce as much of what it needs from internal
manufacturers/service providers,  rather than allowing those
products/services to be provided from non-Russian sources (even from their
close Eastern European trading partners - there is an association  name for
those, but I can't think of what that is at the moment!)

 

John E Allen

W.London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:54
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so it
may not be all political.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

The Other Brian

 

 

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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-03 Thread John Woodgate 
Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so 
it may not be all political.


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote:


Probably due to Putin’s desire to promote (by any means – including 
regulation!) for *everything* to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!


John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 03 December 2017 22:20
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a 
worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs 
for a few of their products.  This year we learned that Russia started 
to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab.  The 
other CU nation's certs were being rejected.  I believe that Belarus 
has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that 
Russia is violating agreements.  But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert 
from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to 
Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access groups that I 
spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of mid-summer.


Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark
and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have
laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced
across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer
electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built
equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets
in such countries without much trouble.

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current
status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built
instruments into Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.

We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want
the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety,
EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification
program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah.  This
approach is totally out of the question for the few products that
we sell into this market.  Let’s be reasonable here.

So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the
shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top
of things.

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-03 Thread John Allen 
Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-12-03 Thread Carl Newton 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a 
worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for 
a few of their products.  This year we learned that Russia started to 
reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU 
nation's certs were being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been 
working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is 
violating agreements.  But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian 
lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia.  The 
big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are 
aware of this.  This was the status as of mid-summer.


Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:


Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and 
shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, 
acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the 
board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, 
computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as 
scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries 
without much trouble.


However, our department has been asked to looking into the current 
status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built 
instruments into Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.


We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want the 
entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, 
and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with 
factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is 
totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into 
this market.  Let’s be reasonable here.


So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the 
shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of 
things.


I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-11-30 Thread McBurney, Ian 
Hello Brian.

My company is going through EAC certification at the moment but for medium 
volume manufacturing.
>From my understanding there is 2 types of compliance.
TR CU Certificate of conformity and the TR CU Declaration of conformity.
Essentially, the Certificate of conformity is meant for higher volume products 
e.g. consumer and the Declaration or conformity is intend for one offs or small 
batches e.g. industrial.
Hopefully someone out there will correct me if I'm mistaken.

regards;

Ian


From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 29 November 2017 19:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping 
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on 
the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on 
mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built 
equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such 
countries without much trouble.

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of 
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia.  
Any information on this would be helpful.

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire 
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an 
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the 
works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for the 
few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here.

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but 
if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

The Other Brian



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Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

2017-11-29 Thread Lauren Crane 
Hi Brian,

I looked into this set of laws (CE clones) a few years ago for a single-unit 
import question and recall 3 different 'levels' of conformance demonstration 
being allowed for in the regs. It was something like model line 
(factory-inspection -ish), large quantity, and single unit. I'm probably 
mis-remembering much but the single unit track just involved some fee and 
demonstrating CE equivalence (or something like that). English versions of the 
regs were not hard to find... searching with EAC or the Russian Belarus 
Kazikstan (sp) customs union - translation done by EU agency - maybe ref "CU TR 
004/2011" e.g. for LVD equivalent.

-Lauren Crane

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:25 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

Greetings.

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping 
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on 
the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on 
mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built 
equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such 
countries without much trouble.

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of 
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia.  
Any information on this would be helpful.

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire 
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an 
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the 
works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for the 
few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here.

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but 
if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

The Other Brian



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