[Emc-users] Pin out for Wabeco lathe

2008-09-10 Thread neil_macintosh
Hi all
I am trying to convert a Wabeco CNC lathe from PC Dreh the DOS based German
package that it was supplied with to EMC2.

I am having problems with the pinout to the controller, has anyone attempted
this before?

I am concerned that the controller will only work if I use PC Dreh and the
dongle that came with it.

I have used the PC and EMC2 to drive a stepper using a driver board that
I made myself.



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Re: [Emc-users] Pin out for Wabeco lathe

2008-09-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 19:27 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all
 I am trying to convert a Wabeco CNC lathe from PC Dreh the DOS based German
 package that it was supplied with to EMC2.
 
 I am having problems with the pinout to the controller, has anyone attempted
 this before?
 
 I am concerned that the controller will only work if I use PC Dreh and the
 dongle that came with it.
 
 I have used the PC and EMC2 to drive a stepper using a driver board that
 I made myself.

I am not familiar with the Wabeco lathes , but I suspect that it has a
fairly standard configuration. If you can post some pictures or a
description of the boards and cables, we should be able to help. For
instance, what kind of cable goes between the PC and lathe?

-- 
Kirk Wallace (California, USA
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 
Hardinge HNC/EMC CNC lathe,
Bridgeport mill conversion, doing XY now,
Zubal lathe conversion pending
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[Emc-users] Netiquette: Trimming Messages

2008-09-10 Thread Ed Nisley
A plaintive note from a lurker...

When you guys hit Reply to fire off a one-liner message, 
could you -please- trim off the 1300-some-odd lines of 
diagnostic trace / dmesg dump / status log that accompanied 
the original note?

I'd appreciate it if folks replying to digest messages would 
do the same, as there's nothing quite like sorting through 
two or three nested digests to find the one-liners.

Ob-EMC: 2.2.6 is working great for me on my hacked Sherline.

Back to lurking.

Thanks...

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Re: [Emc-users] Netiquette: Trimming Messages

2008-09-10 Thread John Kasunich
Ed Nisley wrote:
 A plaintive note from a lurker...
 
 When you guys hit Reply to fire off a one-liner message, 
 could you -please- trim off the 1300-some-odd lines of 
 diagnostic trace / dmesg dump / status log that accompanied 
 the original note?
 

Actually - if you have 1300 lines of diagnostic trace info, you should 
put it at http://pastebin.ca/ or http://pastebin.com/ or a similar site, 
and include a link to it in your message.

Regards,

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Re: [Emc-users] New error after upgrade

2008-09-10 Thread paul_c

Alex

On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Alex Joni wrote:
 can you post a list of modules loaded?

You don't need a list of loaded modules to diagnose the problem (actually, 
there are two).

 From: Steve Blackmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [ 6204.322690] Pid: 5635, comm: insmod Tainted: GF       2.6.24-16-rtai

First problem - A compile time issue is resulting in the kernel being tainted.

  [ 6204.322787] kobject_add failed for parport_pc with -EEXIST, don't try
  to register things with the same name in the same directory.

parport_pc is already registered, which means a module of that name is loaded. 
To fix this requires a more involved fix along with an understanding of 
kernel internals.



Paul.


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Re: [Emc-users] Another problem with Hostmot2 and m5i20

2008-09-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 I presumed the selecting of one PWM in the configuration set the direction
 of the GPIO, as it does for the step and direction outputs for the two
 steppers in the configuration.

 Regards,
 Eric

 It should...
 
 Is the PWM pin high or low?
 
 Did you start with Sebastians HAL file? I know he has PWM running his servo 
 motors.
 
 
 The only other setup type thing that I can think of is that the master PWM 
 rate DDS must be setup, Dont know if the driver gives access to this yet (PWM 
 rate) but if this is not written the PWM rate will be 0 Hz...
 
 There are also several PWM mode setup bits, but my guess is the driver leaves 
 them at the default = normal PWM

The PWM DDR register is set to 65535 on module load and then left alone.

The PWM output type defaults to 1 (PWM + Dir), though the user can 
change it to 2 (Up + Down) by setting the output-type parameter.

The pwmgen.XX.enable HAL pin gets initialized to 0 and sent to the FPGA 
on module load.  When the user changes the HAL pin, the new value is 
sent to the FPGA.  Eric, can you verify that the HAL enable pin for the 
PWM in question does get set to 1?


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Re: [Emc-users] New at mailing list, and seeking for some help with 7i43

2008-09-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Richard Acosta wrote:
 Hello, my name is Richard, and i´have bought a 7i43 board, wich i hope 
 to use on a home made drilling machine.
 
 I´m stuck on the first steps, i have connected this board using parallel 
 port cable, set jumpers according to what manual says, so, now i don't 
 know what else to do.

Did you set the jumpers as per the hm2_7i43 manpage?

It's here: 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/man/man9/hm2_7i43.9.html, or run 
man hm2_5i20 in a terminal to see the copy installed on your computer.


 I have been reading about upload a firmware, i don't know how to do 
 this, and where to obtain it.
 
 I want to use 3 servos and 3 linear encoders.
 As i've read this should be my chossen config:
 
 regmapHostMot2 register map
 sv8.pin8 Axis servo motor configuration pinout
 sv8b.bit   Bit file for 8 axis servo motor configuration 400K
 
 So... whath should i do now?, where to put this files?, how to upload 
 hostmot2 firmware?, how to tell EMC2 than i'm using this board.
 
 Can anyone send an example?... or an easy to understand step by step 
 guide?, i know some about linux, but at an user level.

As far as I know, there does not yet exist a complete machine 
configuration file for hostmot2.  I believe Eric Johnson is working on 
one, but for a stepper-based machine.

I don't know exactly how to write a configuration for a complete machine 
yet (my machines exist only in my head so far...).  But I think you 
should be able to inspect the existing machine configs that Kirk Wallace 
pointed you to, and inspect the partial hostmot2 configs, and synthesize 
something that'll work.

The hostmot2 configs for 2.2 (if you're installing the .debs) are here: 
http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/configs/hostmot2/?only_with_tag=v2_2_branch

The hostmot2 configs for the CVS TRUNK (if you're compiling from source) 
are here:
http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/configs/hostmot2/

The HAL User Manual and the EMC2 Integrator Manual are both valuable 
resources that describe the systems you'll be working with to create the 
configuration.  They're available here: 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/


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Re: [Emc-users] New error after upgrade

2008-09-10 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:17:35 +0100, you wrote:


Alex

On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Alex Joni wrote:
 can you post a list of modules loaded?

You don't need a list of loaded modules to diagnose the problem (actually, 
there are two).

 From: Steve Blackmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [ 6204.322690] Pid: 5635, comm: insmod Tainted: GF       2.6.24-16-rtai

First problem - A compile time issue is resulting in the kernel being tainted.

  [ 6204.322787] kobject_add failed for parport_pc with -EEXIST, don't try
  to register things with the same name in the same directory.

parport_pc is already registered, which means a module of that name is loaded. 
To fix this requires a more involved fix along with an understanding of 
kernel internals.

Thanks Paul - I do have the modules If anybody needs them, what's the
next course of action? Is it something I've done or an error in the
updates somewhere?
 

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Re: [Emc-users] Another problem with Hostmot2 and m5i20

2008-09-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 The pwmgen.XX.enable HAL pin gets initialized to 0 and sent to the FPGA 
 on module load.  When the user changes the HAL pin, the new value is 
 sent to the FPGA.  Eric, can you verify that the HAL enable pin for the 
 PWM in question does get set to 1?

Another thing to check is: are you setting pwmgen.00.scale?

When you set the pwmgen's value pin, it gets turned into a pwm duty 
cycle by this formula: duty_cycle = value/scale (clipped so duty cycle 
stays within the -1.0 to +1.0 range).  So a simple way to test it is to 
leave the scale parameter at the default (1.0), then setp value to 
values between -1 and +1 to try to drive the pwm outputs.


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[Emc-users] A little OT: Need advice on cable

2008-09-10 Thread Ed
I am finally getting to work on my Hardinge CHNC and would like to 
repleace the old cables that run to the back side of the cross slide. 
These cables run in a track something like an Igus(sp) so they get 
flexed constantly. The cables would be for encoder, limit and home 
switches,turret position, and small air solenoids. Can anyone recommend 
a type of cable for this purpose? Preferably from Digikey? Thanks in 
advance.   Ed.

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Re: [Emc-users] Need more help (New in emc2 linux)

2008-09-10 Thread Floros Ioannou

Many thanks Alex.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:42:14 
+0300Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need more help (New in emc2  linux)



Hi,
 
I have some older configs for a 540, so they might need updating (I think they 
worked with 2.1.x, but they might work with 2.2.x),
the values should be ok to put into stepconf though, to build a new 
configuration.
http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/thecooltool/540/
 
Regards,
Alex
 

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Subject: [Emc-users] Need more help (New in emc2  linux)
Hi, Need to start working with my Stepfour basic 540 Does anyone has the 
configuration file that is need to start working with this machine ?  Thanks 
for all help untill now. Floros.

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Re: [Emc-users] Another problem with Hostmot2 and m5i20

2008-09-10 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Sebastian,

The enable pin for the PWM is getting set. If I set the enable to true, and
then set the value to say 5.0, when I do a show pin I do in fact see that
the enable pin is true and that the pwm value pin is 5.0.

Per your other email, I would think that this also proves that the scale is
set correctly. It is set to 1.0 in the ini file.

I don't have access to the machine at the moment, but I will check these
again as soon as I can get back to the machine.

Regards,
Eric


The PWM DDR register is set to 65535 on module load and then left alone.

The PWM output type defaults to 1 (PWM + Dir), though the user can change it
to 2 (Up + Down) by setting the output-type parameter.

The pwmgen.XX.enable HAL pin gets initialized to 0 and sent to the FPGA on
module load.  When the user changes the HAL pin, the new value is sent to
the FPGA.  Eric, can you verify that the HAL enable pin for the PWM in
question does get set to 1?


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Re: [Emc-users] Another problem with Hostmot2 and m5i20

2008-09-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Eric H. Johnson wrote:
 The enable pin for the PWM is getting set. If I set the enable to true, and
 then set the value to say 5.0, when I do a show pin I do in fact see that
 the enable pin is true and that the pwm value pin is 5.0.
 
 Per your other email, I would think that this also proves that the scale is
 set correctly. It is set to 1.0 in the ini file.
 
 I don't have access to the machine at the moment, but I will check these
 again as soon as I can get back to the machine.

Yep, sounds like all the HAL pins  params are set right.  Just to make 
sure, you've added the hm2_5i20.read() and .write() functions to a 
realtime thread, and you've started the realtime kernel, right?

Next I'd want to check the electrical state of the IO pins.  With 
SVST8_4, pwmgen.00 appears on pins 15 (PWM), 19 (Dir), and 23 (Not 
Enable).  Bust out a voltmeter and carefully hook it to pin 23.  Then 
twiddle pwmgen.00.enable high and low and see if the voltage on pin 23 
varies as expected (0V when .enable is 1).


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Re: [Emc-users] New error after upgrade

2008-09-10 Thread paul_c

Hi Steve

On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 Thanks Paul - I do have the modules If anybody needs them,

Thanks, but no - You get to keep all the broken pieces ;-)

 what's the next course of action? Is it something I've done or an error in
 the updates somewhere?

It is nothing you have done - The error is upstream and I'm afraid you will 
have to wait for a fix... (unless you can speak C).


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Re: [Emc-users] New error after upgrade

2008-09-10 Thread Alex Joni
Hi Steve,

the culprit might be probe_parport, can you check if parport_pc shows up 
under lsmod (right after booting the machine, then after running emc2), and 
if you have loadrt probe_parport in your hal file.

Regards,
Alex

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:17:35 +0100, you wrote:


Alex

On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Alex Joni wrote:
 can you post a list of modules loaded?

You don't need a list of loaded modules to diagnose the problem (actually,
there are two).

 From: Steve Blackmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [ 6204.322690] Pid: 5635, comm: insmod Tainted: GF 2.6.24-16-rtai

First problem - A compile time issue is resulting in the kernel being 
tainted.

  [ 6204.322787] kobject_add failed for parport_pc with -EEXIST, don't 
  try
  to register things with the same name in the same directory.

parport_pc is already registered, which means a module of that name is 
loaded.
To fix this requires a more involved fix along with an understanding of
kernel internals.

Thanks Paul - I do have the modules If anybody needs them, what's the
next course of action? Is it something I've done or an error in the
updates somewhere?


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Re: [Emc-users] Another problem with Hostmot2 and m5i20

2008-09-10 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Sebastian,


 Yep, sounds like all the HAL pins  params are set right.  Just to make
sure, you've added the hm2_5i20.read() and .write() functions to a realtime
thread, and you've started the realtime kernel, right? 

Yes. If I had not, then I don't think anything would work. As it is, my
steppers are working as well as both GP inputs and GP outputs. The only
thing not working is the PWM.

 Next I'd want to check the electrical state of the IO pins.  With
SVST8_4, pwmgen.00 appears on pins 15 (PWM), 19 (Dir), and 23 (Not Enable).
Bust out a voltmeter and carefully hook it to pin 23.  Then twiddle
pwmgen.00.enable high and low and see if the voltage on pin 23 varies as
expected (0V when .enable is 1). 

I will do that when I next get a chance.

Thanks,
Eric



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Re: [Emc-users] A little OT: Need advice on cable

2008-09-10 Thread Jonathan / Hydra
This may be completely obvious but for signal-level electric
communications a kapton backed thin film (I'm not sure what they're
called but they're typically used in harddrives for the read heads,
inkjet printers for driving the ink cartridge among other things)
cable has a very, very long lifespan, as well as being relatively
economical. If it's in an industrial environment then some form of
extra isolation is probably in order as the cable is very fragile.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For cables that flex a lot, you probably want something with a 'soft'
 insulation that encases stranded wires.  The size would depend on the
 current drawn.

 You might take a look at the old wires, see if they have some numbers on
 them to determine gauge, insulation type, etc, and get similar ones for
 replacement.


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Re: [Emc-users] A little OT: Need advice on cable

2008-09-10 Thread Glenn R. Edwards
Hi Ed,

I have used a high-flex ribbon cable to great success.  Others have
mentioned flex circuits which are great but can cost you with tooling.
Digi-key should have it, or Google...

Glenn 

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Subject: [Emc-users] A little OT: Need advice on cable

I am finally getting to work on my Hardinge CHNC and would like to repleace
the old cables that run to the back side of the cross slide. 
These cables run in a track something like an Igus(sp) so they get flexed
constantly. The cables would be for encoder, limit and home switches,turret
position, and small air solenoids. Can anyone recommend a type of cable for
this purpose? Preferably from Digikey? Thanks in 
advance.   Ed.

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Re: [Emc-users] New at mailing list, and seeking for some help with 7i43

2008-09-10 Thread Richard Acosta


El 10/09/2008 03:04 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió:

Richard Acosta wrote:
  
Hello, my name is Richard, and i´have bought a 7i43 board, wich i hope 
to use on a home made drilling machine.


I´m stuck on the first steps, i have connected this board using parallel 
port cable, set jumpers according to what manual says, so, now i don't 
know what else to do.



Did you set the jumpers as per the hm2_7i43 manpage?
  

Yes i did.
  

guide?, i know some about linux, but at an user level.



As far as I know, there does not yet exist a complete machine 
configuration file for hostmot2.  I believe Eric Johnson is working on 
one, but for a stepper-based machine.


I don't know exactly how to write a configuration for a complete machine 
yet (my machines exist only in my head so far...).  But I think you 
should be able to inspect the existing machine configs that Kirk Wallace 
pointed you to, and inspect the partial hostmot2 configs, and synthesize 
something that'll work.
  
OK, thanks, is there any step by step for 5i20? i think it may be 
helpful due the similarities between them...
The hostmot2 configs for 2.2 (if you're installing the .debs) are here: 
http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/configs/hostmot2/?only_with_tag=v2_2_branch


The hostmot2 configs for the CVS TRUNK (if you're compiling from source) 
are here:

http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/configs/hostmot2/

The HAL User Manual and the EMC2 Integrator Manual are both valuable 
resources that describe the systems you'll be working with to create the 
configuration.  They're available here: 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/
  
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Re: [Emc-users] New at mailing list, and seeking for some help with 7i43

2008-09-10 Thread Richard Acosta


El 09/09/2008 11:53 p.m., Kirk Wallace escribió:

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:14 -0300, Richard Acosta wrote:
  

Hello, my name is Richard, and i´have bought a 7i43 board, wich i hope
to use on a home made drilling machine.

I´m stuck on the first steps, i have connected this board using
parallel port cable, set jumpers according to what manual says, so,
now i don't know what else to do.


... snip
  

Didn't understand.

You can use the Text Editor to edit your .ini and .hal files
(in /home/your_home/emc2/app_name/app_name.hal or load.hal) to add or
change the loadrt lines. It looks like you will need to have;
loadrt hostmot2 and
loadrt hm2_7i43 config= ...
  

OK, that's one step forward.

These will load the drivers.

Others on this list can provide better information. Good luck.

  

Thanks for your time.
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