Re: [Emc-users] kinematics of 3 joint and 6 joint serial robots

2014-02-20 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/20/2014 12:24 AM, Marius Alksnys wrote:
 Rudy,

 I tried your robot6kins module, had to invert some joints due to
 different joint directions on my robot. It seems that my DH parameters
 are correct - I tested different positions and checked XYZ coordinates
 offline. But I get following errors when changing to world mode when
 powered-on. And I get the same results with different angles of all joints.

 Could you please send me those missing files for motoman-sim?

 Thanks in advance,
 Marius


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for those interested in serial robots
theres a series of lectures from Stanford online
eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKZIvseA1Nk
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Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill conversion - Z axis questions

2014-02-20 Thread Schooner
IMHO if you motorise the knee instead of the quill, you lose all the 
benefits of the knee elevation for adjusting to workpieces and manually 
touching off the Z tool, in favour of a very slow and potentially 
troublesome Z axis which requires all movements to be inverted in a 
somewhat counter-intuitive way.

I agree that whilst possible, motorising the rack and pinion would 
result in so much slop that it would be next to unusable

What is commonly done with manual mill conversions of the turret knee 
mills is to motorise the quill and leave the knee as manual.
The quill is disconnected from the rack and pinion arrangement and large 
plate clamp is attached to the bottom of the quill

This is driven up and down through a ballscrew from a box mounted on the 
side of the head.
The travel is typically quite short (70 - 150 mm), because all major 
adjustments are done on the knee and quill travel is just used to cut to 
depth with the standoff between cuts that is required.
(same as it was when a manual mill)

I have such a mill and it works very well.

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Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill conversion - Z axis questions

2014-02-20 Thread Stuart Stevenson
If the knee is motorized and has position feedback you could adjust the
knee position according to the tool length offset.
The slow motion of the knee would not affect the cutting as it would happen
only once per tool change.
It would be an intuitive action also as the tool gets longer the table gets
lower.



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Schooner schoone...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 IMHO if you motorise the knee instead of the quill, you lose all the
 benefits of the knee elevation for adjusting to workpieces and manually
 touching off the Z tool, in favour of a very slow and potentially
 troublesome Z axis which requires all movements to be inverted in a
 somewhat counter-intuitive way.

 I agree that whilst possible, motorising the rack and pinion would
 result in so much slop that it would be next to unusable

 What is commonly done with manual mill conversions of the turret knee
 mills is to motorise the quill and leave the knee as manual.
 The quill is disconnected from the rack and pinion arrangement and large
 plate clamp is attached to the bottom of the quill

 This is driven up and down through a ballscrew from a box mounted on the
 side of the head.
 The travel is typically quite short (70 - 150 mm), because all major
 adjustments are done on the knee and quill travel is just used to cut to
 depth with the standoff between cuts that is required.
 (same as it was when a manual mill)

 I have such a mill and it works very well.

 regards


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[Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
Hey Gene and anyone else,

I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi John
I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to 
be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it 
or not...

JT

On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
This one is on Windoze

On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that. 
Thanks John

On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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[Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Dave Cole
Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 driver?

I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse 
during the final phase of the homing process.

The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping 
up as being incorrect.

HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis 
just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never sees it.

The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the INI file.

It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board 
terminal.

Thanks,

Dave


On 2/20/2014 8:49 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
Ok, I can try and run it on windoze I have a couple of them running.

JT

On 2/20/2014 7:49 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
Oh, and I have 1.6.1 up now.

JT

On 2/20/2014 7:49 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Dave man why dont you start a new thread the proper way. Now your stuff 
is all mixed up in another thread.

On 2014-02-20 16:07, Dave Cole wrote:
 Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 driver?

 I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse
 during the final phase of the homing process.

 The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

 I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping
 up as being incorrect.

 HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis
 just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never sees it.

 The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the INI file.

 It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board
 terminal.

 Thanks,

 Dave


 On 2/20/2014 8:49 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

JT

On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

 JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Dave Cole wrote:

 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:07:17 -0500
 From: Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing
 
 Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 driver?

 I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse
 during the final phase of the homing process.

 The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

 I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping
 up as being incorrect.

 HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis
 just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never sees it.

 The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the INI file.

 It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board
 terminal.

 Thanks,

 Dave

First is the encoder N index_enable netted to axis.N.index_enable ?


if thats correct the index hardware needs to be checked:

An easy way to test the index hardware is unlink the encoders index_enable pin 
in hal and then manually set index_enable. Then rotate the shaft/encoder 
slowly. The index_enable pin should get cleared at only one shaft position. If 
it gets cleared immediately, the index polarity may be reversed. if it does 
not get cleared in one rotation it probably means the index signal is not 
getting to the FPGA, This can be checked with halmeter or halscope watching 
the GPIO pin that is used for the index signal.


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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to 
the help file.

JT

On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If 
you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing 
1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gantry Best Practices

2014-02-20 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:42 AM, Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net 
wrote:
 If I'm following things correctly, you're doing something very similar
 to the HAL gantry component I just created: applying the same commanded
 position to each gantry joint, providing for an offset between the
 individual joints to avoid racking.

Yes, the offset is applied during the homing sequence and was calculated using 
a large square drawn on the table. 

 Homing is substantially different, but then I don't have fancy Granite
 drives that will home themselves, so I had to work with LinuxCNC.  :)

Yes, the Granites cost their weight in gold ;-) but they are very nice drives!! 
 We have large door stops fastened to the ends of the rails and the granites 
reduce torque, move until they hit these, press against them until a (very low) 
configured ferror is reached and declare this home.  The gantry then moves out 
to the index pulse on each encoder and then the configured offset it applied to 
one side.  It is very repeatable.

 Well, first Mesa has to make a BBB cape!  Although there are beginning
 to be some FPGA add-ons for the BeagleBone that might be able to run the
 hm2 firmware.  I'm waiting on my LogiBone kick-starter and there are a
 few other designs in the works I'm aware of.

Will be nice to see these things.
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Re: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Dave Cole


On 2/20/2014 9:23 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Dave Cole wrote:

 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:07:17 -0500
 From: Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

 Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 driver?

 I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse
 during the final phase of the homing process.

 The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

 I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping
 up as being incorrect.

 HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis
 just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never sees it.

 The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the INI file.

 It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board
 terminal.

 Thanks,

 Dave
 First is the encoder N index_enable netted to axis.N.index_enable ?


 if thats correct the index hardware needs to be checked:

 An easy way to test the index hardware is unlink the encoders index_enable pin
 in hal and then manually set index_enable. Then rotate the shaft/encoder
 slowly. The index_enable pin should get cleared at only one shaft position. If
 it gets cleared immediately, the index polarity may be reversed. if it does
 not get cleared in one rotation it probably means the index signal is not
 getting to the FPGA, This can be checked with halmeter or halscope watching
 the GPIO pin that is used for the index signal.


Hi Peter,

No it was not.

Let me try that.

Thanks!

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill conversion - Z axis questions

2014-02-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 February 2014 09:14:28 Schooner did opine:

 IMHO if you motorise the knee instead of the quill, you lose all the
 benefits of the knee elevation for adjusting to workpieces and manually
 touching off the Z tool, in favour of a very slow and potentially
 troublesome Z axis which requires all movements to be inverted in a
 somewhat counter-intuitive way.

I'll submit that if you are so limited, its poorly done.  Most knees have a 
range that is entirely usable, and as far as non-intuitive motions go, a 
sign change in the scaling fixes that with no fuss because its never 
changed back.

So other than the rather large increase in mass to be moved, it should be 
no different than moving the head up and down a square post, just needing 
a suitable motor and some of those nitrogen struts to help support the 
weight, which on a 10x57 mill would be several hundred pounds.  A 1 ball 
screw should be able to do that if enough lift from struts s available.

I have looked at a couple of the bigger bridgeport style mills with an 
eye to doing that, 50+ yo, worn to where I could have had one for a 
kilobuck, but haven't found my round tuit, and likely won't, my back is 
going to get fixed, if it can be, before I do much with any bigger 
machinery.

 I agree that whilst possible, motorising the rack and pinion would
 result in so much slop that it would be next to unusable

Agreed.
 
 What is commonly done with manual mill conversions of the turret knee
 mills is to motorise the quill and leave the knee as manual.
 The quill is disconnected from the rack and pinion arrangement and large
 plate clamp is attached to the bottom of the quill
 
 This is driven up and down through a ballscrew from a box mounted on the
 side of the head.
 The travel is typically quite short (70 - 150 mm), because all major
 adjustments are done on the knee and quill travel is just used to cut to
 depth with the standoff between cuts that is required.
 (same as it was when a manual mill)

That limitation would exasperate me. Sure, what I have is a toy, but in 
terms of operating envelope nothing made today can match what you get from 
the larger square post machines.  Even my toy has a vertical motion of 14, 
and can reach it at 30 ipm.  Its so flimsy all thats good for is tool 
changing clearance, or wood carving (I've carved a BP gunstock on it, gets 
ohh's and ahh's at the range) but I can mount a vice that raises the work 
3+ inches without a problem that ball screws in the xy wouldn't fix 90% of.  
Thats a WIP.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Heavy-Duty-Benchtop-Mill-Drill-with-
Variable-Speed-and-Power-Feed/G0762

Gives you a machine with an operating envelope of 18h x 7.5y x 22x, or 
1.71875 cubic feet.  For 2774 USD sitting on your 1/2 ton rated table, or 
another $275 on their stand.  Add 3 ball screws  suitable motors  mount 
hdwe and LCNC. Might be $4500-5000.

And that is a much larger cubic volume than you can get in any Bridgeport 
style machine when limited to driving the quill.

 I have such a mill and it works very well.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 February 2014 10:05:45 John Thornton did opine:

 Hey Gene and anyone else,
 
 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.
 
 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
 
 Any feed back is appreciated.
 
 JT

Good to hear John, I should be in a position to exercise it in another 
week, I burned up the plastic timing sprockets in the lathe drive last week 
and need to get that fixed, should have the stuff from LMS by the weekend.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 February 2014 10:11:28 John Thornton did opine:

 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.
 
 JT
 
Got that one John and a big thank you.  Haven't unpacked it yet though.

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
  Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
  Thanks John
  
  On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
  This one is on Windoze
  
  On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
  I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.
  
  Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can
  fix it or not...
  
  JT
  
  On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
  Hi John
  I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem
  to be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?
  
  On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
  Hey Gene and anyone else,
  
  I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.
  
  http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
  
  Any feed back is appreciated.
  
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[Emc-users] Losing half the steps in positive direction

2014-02-20 Thread Rusty Russell
I am rather new to this, and I don't know of anyone locally to help
(Huntsville, AL area).  Using a  Sain Smart B.O.B and Driver boards.  All
three axes work correctly when instructed to traverse in a negative
direction, however, when instructed positive, only travel half the
distance.  I have tried using MACH3 to see if the problem was LinuxCNC, but
I haven't been able to get the trial copy I have to move anything yet.  I
ordered a replacement B.O.B. and it should be here tomorrow, to see if this
one is broken.  I know the driver boards work, as they came from another,
smaller build, that B.O.B. has been lost, though.

Thank you for any help,
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Re: [Emc-users] Losing half the steps in positive direction

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Rusty
Have look at the pulse width requirements of your BOB and driver board. 
You can set it in the HAL file

Look here as well:
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepper.html
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html



On 2014-02-20 17:37, Rusty Russell wrote:
 I am rather new to this, and I don't know of anyone locally to help
 (Huntsville, AL area).  Using a  Sain Smart B.O.B and Driver boards.  All
 three axes work correctly when instructed to traverse in a negative
 direction, however, when instructed positive, only travel half the
 distance.  I have tried using MACH3 to see if the problem was LinuxCNC, but
 I haven't been able to get the trial copy I have to move anything yet.  I
 ordered a replacement B.O.B. and it should be here tomorrow, to see if this
 one is broken.  I know the driver boards work, as they came from another,
 smaller build, that B.O.B. has been lost, though.

 Thank you for any help,
 Rusty


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Re: [Emc-users] Losing half the steps in positive direction

2014-02-20 Thread Dave Caroline
I dont know your board and driver but did come across an
incompatibility between a bob and driver where both have the LED
series resistor needed meaning the opto in the driver is not driven
hard enough.

Dave Caroline


On 20/02/2014, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Rusty
 Have look at the pulse width requirements of your BOB and driver board.
 You can set it in the HAL file

 Look here as well:
 wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepper.html
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html



 On 2014-02-20 17:37, Rusty Russell wrote:
 I am rather new to this, and I don't know of anyone locally to help
 (Huntsville, AL area).  Using a  Sain Smart B.O.B and Driver boards.  All
 three axes work correctly when instructed to traverse in a negative
 direction, however, when instructed positive, only travel half the
 distance.  I have tried using MACH3 to see if the problem was LinuxCNC,
 but
 I haven't been able to get the trial copy I have to move anything yet.  I
 ordered a replacement B.O.B. and it should be here tomorrow, to see if
 this
 one is broken.  I know the driver boards work, as they came from another,
 smaller build, that B.O.B. has been lost, though.

 Thank you for any help,
 Rusty


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[Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Mark Tucker

Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but i will try.
Having recently been involved with the beaglebone/machinekit setup,i 
accidently came across a problem.
I found that speradically the motors would make a noise like frying an 
egg after movement had finished.
This after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few others,was 
found to be the dir line hunting after a movement.
This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the fact it 
is using position feedback and not velocity feedback.
So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file needs 
changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode.
Now i am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out there 
that can help?

Charles is snowed under at the moment otherwise i am sure he would oblige.
I will try attatching my hal file.
I am sure there are others that will explain this better than me because 
of my limited knowledge.


# These buffer ALL siginal used on the DB25 port
# The board also has a pair of a set of four 0805 size jumper resistors
# these can be used to output either the standard Spindle/Mist/flood and
# input ALIM from the DB25 pins
# or allow BBB SPI singals to be routed to the DB25 connector instead.
# The ALIM RC buffer Capacitor would need to change if this
# option was used.  The LIM Switch input signals are pulled to 3V3 through
# 10K resistors
# then go through a 1K resistor and bypassed with a .22uF cap.   This is
# the cap that should be removed
# if the SPI port (untested option)  is used.  The 4 SPI signals are also
# directly routed
# to six through-holes which include 3V3 and GND.  This singals are
# otherwise Unbuffered and
# go directly to the BBB
# At powerup the LVC541 enabl;e signals are pulled high, disabling the
# drivers until
# the BBB and LinuxCNC pull the enable signal low.
#



# Launch the setup script to make sure hardware setup looks good
loadusr -w /home/linuxcnc/linuxcnc/configs/Xylotex/setup.sh

# ###
# Core EMC/HAL Loads
# ###

# kinematics
loadrt trivkins

# motion controller, get name and thread periods from ini file
loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD 
num_joints=[TRAJ]AXES


# load low-level drivers
loadrt hal_bb_gpio output_pins=107,113,119,126,214 
input_pins=109,110,114,118,241
loadrt [PRUCONF](DRIVER) [PRUCONF](CONFIG)
#(JP) Not suing PID loop so comment out
#(JP)loadrt pid num_chan=2
loadrt limit1 count=2

# 
# THREADS
# 

addf [PRUCONF](DRIVER).capture-position   servo-thread
addf bb_gpio.read servo-thread
addf motion-command-handler   servo-thread
addf motion-controllerservo-thread
#(JP) Not doing PID for temperature sensor for PWM output
#(JP)addf pid.0.do-pid-calcs   servo-thread
#(JP)addf pid.1.do-pid-calcs   servo-thread
addf limit1.0 servo-thread
addf limit1.1 servo-thread
addf [PRUCONF](DRIVER).update servo-thread
addf bb_gpio.writeservo-thread


# ##
# Axis-of-motion Specific Configs (not the GUI)
# ##

# 
# X [0] Axis
# 

# axis enable chain
newsig emcmot.00.enable bit
sets emcmot.00.enable FALSE

net emcmot.00.enable = axis.0.amp-enable-out
net emcmot.00.enable = [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.enable

# position command and feedback
net emcmot.00.pos-cmd = axis.0.motor-pos-cmd
net emcmot.00.pos-cmd = [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.position-cmd

net motor.00.pos-fb = [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.position-fb
net motor.00.pos-fb = axis.0.motor-pos-fb

# timing parameters
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.dirsetup[AXIS_0]DIRSETUP
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.dirhold [AXIS_0]DIRHOLD

setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.steplen [AXIS_0]STEPLEN
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.stepspace   [AXIS_0]STEPSPACE

setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.position-scale  [AXIS_0]SCALE

setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.maxvel  [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAX_VEL
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.maxaccel[AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAX_ACC

#setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.step_type   0
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.steppin 0x4C
setp [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.00.dirpin  0x4D

#(JP) Add home switch input
net home-xyz bb_gpio.p8.in-10 = axis.0.home-sw-in
setp bb_gpio.p8.in-10.invert 1

# 
# Y [1] Axis
# 

# axis enable chain
newsig emcmot.01.enable bit
sets emcmot.01.enable FALSE

net emcmot.01.enable = axis.1.amp-enable-out
net emcmot.01.enable = [PRUCONF](DRIVER).stepgen.01.enable

# position command and feedback
net emcmot.01.pos-cmd = 

Re: [Emc-users] Poor CV

2014-02-20 Thread sam sokolik
Steve!

Here is your sample of gcode running the newest TP

Original TP
http://imagebin.org/294551  (limit of the 1 segment look-ahead)

New TP (which does arc-arc , Line-arc and line-line look-ahead.)
http://imagebin.org/294550

Robs hard work is awesome! (and it keeps improving)

sam


On 04/07/2013 05:28 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:21:11 -0500, you wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 10:13:11AM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 CV in LinuxCNC still does not work well. Have a look at this

 http://youtu.be/ph_IVXg1C9Y
 Please share your gcode and your full config directory.
 Hi Chris - Here's part of the code - it's obvious early on without all
 of it. I'll post the config tomorrow - machine is at work.

 BTW - Changing N190 to

 N190 G64 P0.5

 and it runs better, but that's far too much deviation.

 This was first reported on 26th July 2011 in a post
 trying to understand EMC's operation
 Have a read of that thread for way more information. Daniel Rogge
 concurs in his tests posted on 29th.

 I've re posted as this is still occurring since V2.4 !

 N100 G0 G21 G17 G90 G40 G49 G80
 N110 G91.1
 N120 G1 Z20.000 F3600.0
 N130 T1 M06
 N140 (End Mill {6 mm})
 N150 G43H1 Z20.000
 N160 S12000 M03
 N170(Toolpath:- Profile 1)
 N180()
 N190 G64
 N200 G1 X0.000 Y0.000 F3600
 N210 G0 X-1.974 Y8.147 Z6.000
 N220 G1 X-1.974 Y8.147 Z-1.000 F1200.0
 N230 G2 X-1.346 Y40.813 I1274.739 J-8.173 F3600.0
 N240 G1 X-1.246 Y43.543 Z-1.000
 N250 G1 X-1.175 Y44.975 Z-1.000
 N260 G2 X0.630 Y65.631 I357.751 J-20.852
 N270 G2 X3.629 Y86.169 I356.674 J-41.593
 N280 G1 X3.738 Y86.813 Z-1.000
 N290 G1 X3.885 Y87.608 Z-1.000
 N300 G1 X4.121 Y88.649 Z-1.000
 N310 G1 X4.891 Y91.654 Z-1.000
 N320 G2 X8.045 Y101.818 I125.643 J-33.412
 N330 G2 X12.017 Y111.685 I122.371 J-43.533
 N340 G1 X12.167 Y112.021 Z-1.000
 N350 G1 X12.392 Y112.507 Z-1.000
 N360 G1 X12.836 Y113.360 Z-1.000
 N370 G1 X14.404 Y116.145 Z-1.000
 N380 G2 X48.101 Y150.602 I84.920 J-49.341
 N390 G2 X94.143 Y164.886 I51.247 J-83.839
 N400 G1 X98.585 Y165.027 Z-1.000
 N410 G2 X107.856 Y164.832 I1.550 J-146.800
 N420 G1 X114.650 Y164.312 Z-1.000
 N430 G1 X121.416 Y163.467 Z-1.000
 N440 G1 X124.191 Y163.060 Z-1.000
 N450 G1 X127.048 Y162.615 Z-1.000
 N460 G2 X139.931 Y159.885 I-25.733 J-153.243
 N470 G2 X152.544 Y156.073 I-38.655 J-150.662
 N480 G1 X157.534 Y154.334 Z-1.000
 N490 G1 X161.108 Y153.062 Z-1.000
 N500 G2 X183.667 Y143.969 I-122.738 J-337.027
 N510 G2 X205.551 Y133.371 I-145.209 J-327.734
 N520 G1 X207.732 Y132.276 Z-1.000
 N530 G1 X215.815 Y128.556 Z-1.000
 N540 G1 X219.037 Y127.150 Z-1.000
 N550 G1 X222.272 Y125.782 Z-1.000
 N560 G1 X223.416 Y125.300 Z-1.000
 N570 G1 X223.904 Y125.085 Z-1.000
 N580 G3 X237.774 Y120.073 I38.168 J83.912
 N590 G3 X252.272 Y117.334 I24.318 J88.999
 N600 G1 X253.479 Y117.248 Z-1.000

 Steve Blackmore
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Re: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/20/2014 9:53 AM, Dave Cole wrote:


 On 2/20/2014 9:23 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Dave Cole wrote:

 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:07:17 -0500
 From: Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

 Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 
 driver?

 I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse
 during the final phase of the homing process.

 The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

 I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping
 up as being incorrect.

 HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis
 just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never 
 sees it.

 The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the 
 INI file.

 It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board
 terminal.

 Thanks,

 Dave
 First is the encoder N index_enable netted to axis.N.index_enable ?


 if thats correct the index hardware needs to be checked:

 An easy way to test the index hardware is unlink the encoders 
 index_enable pin
 in hal and then manually set index_enable. Then rotate the shaft/encoder
 slowly. The index_enable pin should get cleared at only one shaft 
 position. If
 it gets cleared immediately, the index polarity may be reversed. if 
 it does
 not get cleared in one rotation it probably means the index signal is 
 not
 getting to the FPGA, This can be checked with halmeter or halscope 
 watching
 the GPIO pin that is used for the index signal.


 Hi Peter,

 No it was not.

 Let me try that.

 Thanks!

 Dave

It works!

Thanks,

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 2/20/2014 10:21 AM, Mark Tucker wrote:
 Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but i will try.
 Having recently been involved with the beaglebone/machinekit setup,i
 accidently came across a problem.
 I found that speradically the motors would make a noise like frying an
 egg after movement had finished.
 This after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few others,was
 found to be the dir line hunting after a movement.
 This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the fact it
 is using position feedback and not velocity feedback.
 So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file needs
 changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode.
 Now i am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out there
 that can help?
 Charles is snowed under at the moment otherwise i am sure he would oblige.
 I will try attatching my hal file.
 I am sure there are others that will explain this better than me because
 of my limited knowledge.

Peter Wallace provided the following excellent advice, which I forwarded
to Mark.  I'm a bit too busy to fiddle with the HAL code for a week or
so, and was hoping someone might be able to help Mark get his HAL file
sorted out:

Quote from Peter:

The current position mode driver code makes sense for a software
implementation but suffers from some issues when used with a hardware
stepgen (and since the PRU stepgen is a asynchronous
(to servo thread) DDS it probably has the same issues)

To do this you set the stepgen in velocity mode, and set a P of around
50 and a FF1 of 1.000. The nice thing about this is you can now use the
PID comps facilites to fix a number of deficiencies in the built in
position mode code:


1. Setting the PID comps maxerror to some small value makes the stepgen
avoid large corrections based on the servo thread jitter in sampling the
stepgens position (effectively slew limiting the corrections) this make
sense for hardware or PRU based system where the stepgen DDS is a better
timing reference to short term timing than the servo thread.

2. Setting the PID comps dead zone stops the toggling

3. A tiny bit of FF2 can be used to compensate for the delay between
sampling the stepgen position and writing the new DDS rate


In my testing, if you have any significant servo thread jitter, using a
servo type config like this results in much better stepgen performance
the the built in position mode controller


freeby.mesanet.com/7i76e.zip

has an example servo mode stepgen setup


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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Josiah Morgan
Mark,
when this happens, have you tried unplugging the step and dir(everything
but enable) from the beaglebone to verify that it isn't just coming from
microstepping on the driver itself?
I know I've experienced similar crackling sounds on some stepper drivers
that was completely isolated from input from step/dir source.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote:

 Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but i will try.
 Having recently been involved with the beaglebone/machinekit setup,i
 accidently came across a problem.
 I found that speradically the motors would make a noise like frying an
 egg after movement had finished.
 This after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few others,was
 found to be the dir line hunting after a movement.
 This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the fact it is
 using position feedback and not velocity feedback.
 So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file needs
 changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode.
 Now i am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out there
 that can help?
 Charles is snowed under at the moment otherwise i am sure he would oblige.
 I will try attatching my hal file.
 I am sure there are others that will explain this better than me because
 of my limited knowledge.



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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Mark Tucker
The drivers have been working on mach3 for the last 5years with no 
problem,and also work no problem with linuxcnc on a pc.
I believe jeff pollard has scoped the output on the dir line and it is 
clearly visible.

On 20/02/14 16:43, Josiah Morgan wrote:
 Mark,
 when this happens, have you tried unplugging the step and dir(everything
 but enable) from the beaglebone to verify that it isn't just coming from
 microstepping on the driver itself?
 I know I've experienced similar crackling sounds on some stepper drivers
 that was completely isolated from input from step/dir source.


 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote:

 Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but i will try.
 Having recently been involved with the beaglebone/machinekit setup,i
 accidently came across a problem.
 I found that speradically the motors would make a noise like frying an
 egg after movement had finished.
 This after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few others,was
 found to be the dir line hunting after a movement.
 This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the fact it is
 using position feedback and not velocity feedback.
 So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file needs
 changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode.
 Now i am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out there
 that can help?
 Charles is snowed under at the moment otherwise i am sure he would oblige.
 I will try attatching my hal file.
 I am sure there are others that will explain this better than me because
 of my limited knowledge.



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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
What I forgot to update is the variable...

JT

On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
The version updates from a variable so it is automagic.

JT

On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
no, you might have found a new one... let me see if I can reproduce it.

JT

On 2/20/2014 8:34 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
 If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If
 you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
 On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Jeff
Hi,

  I looked at the DIR line on a bare beagle bone with no attachments.  The DIR 
line can end up toggling after a move has stopped.  But it does not *always* 
end up toggling after a move.  Pressing the power button in AXIS clears the 
situation until a future move.  The STEP line does remain inactive, so there is 
no unwanted movement. Mark is using Geckos which are optically isolated, so the 
chance of electrical noise contributing to the problem is unlikely.

  I've also noticed the problem with the Allegro A3977 drive chips.  I'm not 
sure why either the Geckos or the A3977 would care about a toggling DIR line 
while STEP is inactive, but they do.  Perhaps it is some kind of noise issue 
within the drive itself (i.e. not electrical in the wiring/grounding sense).  
In any case, the solution (when found) will be to stop the line from toggling 
at all.  Hopefully Peter's suggestion of a different HAL configuration will 
work.

Jeff


 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:53:07 +
 From: m...@rmtucker.f2s.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

 The drivers have been working on mach3 for the last 5years with no
 problem,and also work no problem with linuxcnc on a pc.
 I believe jeff pollard has scoped the output on the dir line and it is
 clearly visible.

 On 20/02/14 16:43, Josiah Morgan wrote:
 Mark,
 when this happens, have you tried unplugging the step and dir(everything
 but enable) from the beaglebone to verify that it isn't just coming from
 microstepping on the driver itself?
 I know I've experienced similar crackling sounds on some stepper drivers
 that was completely isolated from input from step/dir source.


 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote:

 Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but i will try.
 Having recently been involved with the beaglebone/machinekit setup,i
 accidently came across a problem.
 I found that speradically the motors would make a noise like frying an
 egg after movement had finished.
 This after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few others,was
 found to be the dir line hunting after a movement.
 This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the fact it is
 using position feedback and not velocity feedback.
 So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file needs
 changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode.
 Now i am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out there
 that can help?
 Charles is snowed under at the moment otherwise i am sure he would oblige.
 I will try attatching my hal file.
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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
I can't follow what you did to get the error, can you reproduce it?

JT

On 2/20/2014 8:34 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
 If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If
 you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
 On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread John Thornton
I just uploaded 1.6.3 with some more content in the help file.

JT

On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Peter's solution will work.  I was going to add a dead-band to the PID
control internal to the HAL component that talks to the PRU, but Peter's
suggestion of pushing the PID outside the PRU driver and into HAL makes
a lot more sense.  The existing HAL PID component is vastly more
sophisticated than the PID inside the PRU driver, and pushing it out
into HAL not only makes the configuration more unix and LinuxCNC like,
but doesn't require any new code to implement.

I just don't have time to play with HAL right now (I'm getting ready for
a 100K run this weekend), and my test machine is currently in various
pieces so I couldn't check things out even if I had time to make the
change.  I can probably get to it next week sometime, but I'm hoping
someone will beat me to it.

On 2/20/2014 11:19 AM, Jeff wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I looked at the DIR line on a bare beagle bone with no attachments.
 The DIR line can end up toggling after a move has stopped.  But it
 does not *always* end up toggling after a move.  Pressing the power
 button in AXIS clears the situation until a future move.  The STEP
 line does remain inactive, so there is no unwanted movement. Mark is
 using Geckos which are optically isolated, so the chance of
 electrical noise contributing to the problem is unlikely.
 
 I've also noticed the problem with the Allegro A3977 drive chips.
 I'm not sure why either the Geckos or the A3977 would care about a
 toggling DIR line while STEP is inactive, but they do.  Perhaps it is
 some kind of noise issue within the drive itself (i.e. not
 electrical in the wiring/grounding sense).  In any case, the solution
 (when found) will be to stop the line from toggling at all.
 Hopefully Peter's suggestion of a different HAL configuration will
 work.
 
 Jeff
 
 
 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:53:07 + From: m...@rmtucker.f2s.com 
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users]
 Crackling motors using Beaglebone
 
 The drivers have been working on mach3 for the last 5years with no 
 problem,and also work no problem with linuxcnc on a pc. I believe
 jeff pollard has scoped the output on the dir line and it is 
 clearly visible.
 
 On 20/02/14 16:43, Josiah Morgan wrote:
 Mark, when this happens, have you tried unplugging the step and
 dir(everything but enable) from the beaglebone to verify that it
 isn't just coming from microstepping on the driver itself? I know
 I've experienced similar crackling sounds on some stepper
 drivers that was completely isolated from input from step/dir
 source.
 
 
 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Mark Tucker
 m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote:
 
 Ok i am not well enough conversed to explain this in detail,but
 i will try. Having recently been involved with the
 beaglebone/machinekit setup,i accidently came across a
 problem. I found that speradically the motors would make a
 noise like frying an egg after movement had finished. This
 after some investigation by Charles,Jeff pollard,and few
 others,was found to be the dir line hunting after a movement. 
 This has turned out to be a known problem with the pru and the
 fact it is using position feedback and not velocity feedback. 
 So the outcome after a few discussions was that the hal file
 needs changing to utilise the stepgen in velocity mode. Now i
 am at a complete loss how to do this,so is there anyone out
 there that can help? Charles is snowed under at the moment
 otherwise i am sure he would oblige. I will try attatching my
 hal file. I am sure there are others that will explain this
 better than me because of my limited knowledge.
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John
I did a tapping process with spot, drill, chamfer and tap. When I 
generated the Gcode it gave me an error that said the counter bore depth 
was null or zero. I pushed the chamfer depth button again and the error 
was gone.
It only happened the once and I cannot recreate the error now.//I am 
wondering now if I maybe did not calculate the depth of the chamfer but 
the error said counter bore

On 2014-02-20 19:18, John Thornton wrote:
 I can't follow what you did to get the error, can you reproduce it?

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:34 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
 If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If
 you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
 On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John
Does the metric units work. I tried with mm and MM but I get an error 
that says mill instance has no attribute 'units'

On 2014-02-20 19:47, John Thornton wrote:
 I just uploaded 1.6.3 with some more content in the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill conversion - Z axis questions

2014-02-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/20/2014 2:07 AM, Schooner wrote:

 What is commonly done with manual mill conversions of the turret knee
 mills is to motorise the quill and leave the knee as manual.
 The quill is disconnected from the rack and pinion arrangement and large
 plate clamp is attached to the bottom of the quill

If the quill doesn't project below the head casting when all the way up, 
and there's no slot like on Bridgeports and clones to attach a ballscrew 
nut to, there's still a way to add CNC control.

Replace the spindle retainer nut with a custom made plate that has a 
projection down and out to one side to connect the drive.

To have the thread rotated correctly in relation to the drive attachment 
isn't difficult. Make the new nut/plate oversize and screw it into the 
quill, then mark where the drive attachment will mount, cut away the 
rest of the excess material.

An alternate way would be to make the nut thicker so that a clamp style 
mount can be used, like how DRO mounts are often fitted to drill presses 
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Re: [Emc-users] (Emc-users) crackling motors using beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread peter smith
Charles
I am pleased I have found this thread, myself and a friend both have 
small mill setups with type 34 steppers, and Gecko 201s running at 50 
volts, and we have been trying to set them up with Beaglebones, and 
machine kit, we are both new to linux, and thought it was some setting 
we had wrong in the ini or hal file, the noise seems to increase with 
the size of motor, and the voltage used.
Other than this annoyance and some minor issues, it all looks very 
promising, I have run most of the cnc files that I used to run on mach3 
without any problems.

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[Emc-users] ngcgui support for gcmc

2014-02-20 Thread Dewey Garrett

ngcgui (and pyngcgui) now support Bertho Stultien's
Gcode-meta-compiler (gcmc) in git master and in recent
buildbot debs.

Ngcgui creates entry boxes to simplify testing and use of: 
   a) single-subroutines gcode files (.ngc)
   b) gcode meta compiler files (.gcmc)

Notes:

1) gcmc (version =1.4.3) must be installed independently and
   located as an executable file in the user PATH, see:
   http://www.vagrearg.org/content/gcmc

2) linuxcnc can be built for run-in-place (RIP)) from git master
   or installed from a recent buildbot deb (19Feb2014 or later),
   instructions at:
   http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org

3) Example ini files for demonstration are located: 
 configs/sim/axis/ngcgui/ngcgui_gcmc.ini
 configs/sim/axis/ngcgui/pyngcgui_gcmc.ini
 configs/sim/gscreen/ngcgui/pyngcgui_gscreen_gcmc.ini
 configs/sim/touchy/ngcgui/pyngcgui_touchy_gcmc.ini

4) The examples use .gcmc files located in: nc_files/gcmc_lib
 nc_files/gcmc_lib/square.gcmc
 nc_files/gcmc_lib/drill.gcmc
 nc_files/gcmc_lib/star.gcmc   (Bertho Stultiens)
 nc_files/gcmc_lib/wheels.gcmc (Alan Battersby)

5) To modify the examples or create new .gcmc files:
 a) create your own directory, for example:
$ mkdir ~/linuxcnc/myfiles
 b) copy or edit your own .gcmc files, example for a deb install:
$ cp /usr/share/linuxcnc/ncfiles/gcmc_lib/square.gcmc 
~/linuxcnc/myfiles/mysquare.gcmc
 c) add your directory to the subroutine path defined in the ini file.
Example:
[RS274NGC]

SUBROUTINE_PATH=~/linuxcnc/myfiles:../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib:../../nc_files/gcmc_lib:../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
(above is all on one line,directory names are separated by colons (:))

Note: Linuxcnc searches for a subroutine file by name following the
  [RS274NGC]SUBROUTINE_PATH.  The first file found with a
  matching name is used.

 d) add your files to the ini file in the [DISPLAY] stanza, example:
[DISPLAY]
...
TKPKG = Ngcgui1.0
NGCGUI_FONT   = Helvetica -12 normal
NGCGUI_PREAMBLE   = in_std.ngc
NGCGUI_SUBFILE= square.gcmc
NGCGUI_SUBFILE= mysquare.gcmc
# specify  for a custom tab page
NGCGUI_SUBFILE= 
...
  
(including a custom tab page allows you to search for .ngc and .gcmc
 files as long as they are in the SUBROUINE_PATH)

6) After creating your own .gcmc file, add tags within the file to
   identify variables requiring entry boxes. For example, to tag a
   variable named frate, include the line:

 //ngcgui:  frate =  100;

To specify a default value and label, use:
 //ngcgui:  frate =  100; //, Feed Rate

   (See the included demo .gcmc files for more examples.)

7) When a .gcmc file is selected, ngcgui submits it to the gcmc compiler,
   and places the resulting gcode file in the [DISPLAY]PROGRAM_PREFIX
   directory for use by Linuxcnc.

8) Ngcgui can combine .gcmc and .ngc files from multiple tab pages

Additional Referencess:

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/ngcgui.html

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html#_rs274ngc_section_a_id_sub_rs274ngc_section_a

http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bdd488c0da77cfe6014fb3cd177b538cb3e67fe

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[Emc-users] Canned cycle relative motion weirdness

2014-02-20 Thread Bertho Stultiens
Hi,

I've been looking into the canned cycles in LinuxCNC and the relative
version is odd.

The gcode documentation has an example:
G0 X1 Y2 Z3
G91 G98 G81 X4 Y5 Z-0.6 R1.8 L3

It should make a nice pattern, but it drills in the wrong direction
(down-to-up). The R-word need to be -1.8 (negative) to make it drill in
the right direction.

However, the documentation states a sequence of rapids/moves and
indicates the positions which I cannot reproduce. F.ex. I cannot create
a parameter combination that would move to the noted Z positions.

Am I missing something or is there bitrot in either the documentation or
interpreter?

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[Emc-users] John Thornton - Mill GCode Generator metric small issue

2014-02-20 Thread John Alexander Stewart
John;

I do everything in metric; the Preferences-Preamble, when I change G20 to
G21, and save, it does not seem to have saved next time I run the program.

Still trying to run through this program, but thank you for your efforts -
I think the effort is worth it.

JohnS.
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Re: [Emc-users] Crackling motors using Beaglebone

2014-02-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/20/2014 12:01 PM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Peter's solution will work.  I was going to add a dead-band to the PID
 control internal to the HAL component that talks to the PRU, but Peter's
 suggestion of pushing the PID outside the PRU driver and into HAL makes
 a lot more sense.
I might mention that I have to use deadband with the Pico 
universal
stepper controller, as it uses the traditional PID and the 
step generator
is velocity only.  This allows the board to be used with 
either open-
or closed-loop stepper setups with minimal change.

Jon

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