Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread yann jautard

Le 17/04/2014 09:08, Steve Blackmore a écrit :

 Modern panels are designed to work in daylight and don't need full
 Sunlight.

Well not really. There two main technologies, cristalline and amorphous.

Cristalline cells needs full sunlight to deliver some usable power. 
Their efficiency is better.

Amorphous cells can use indirect light like you have on cloudy day. But 
their efficiency is a little bit lower, wich is not a problem because 
they are cheaper, so for the same peak power you will pay the same. but 
you need more surface to install them.


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Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users Digest, Vol 96, Issue 51

2014-04-18 Thread schooner

 Detailed question.

 I want to implement these as wizards.  I see there is already work done here
 (http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/11414
 -metric-lathe-subroutines-g71-g72-etc-etc) so I'll probably borrow from
 that.
Feel free to borrow away ( I wrote them )

You are right, the routines are basically decrementing / incrementing 
loops cutting the profile down to finished dimensions.

There is no gouging calculation, the profiles that can be cut are 
limited by tool type, profile and mounting, and ultimately operator 
common sense.

The work very well for me within those limitations but can certainly be 
improved upon.
I look forward to your results.

regards

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[Emc-users] Newbe intro and question

2014-04-18 Thread rayj
Greetings list,

I getting ready to buy some hardware and setup CNC on a 3in1 machine. 
I'll be using LCNC with a parallel port and stepper motors.

This is more of a hardware question.  For an emergency stop I was 
planning on using a charge pump and wire the enable signal in series 
through it and a NC switch. I found one place that sells a BOB and 
emergency stop that wires the step signals for each axis through 
separate relays and all are opened when the e-stop switch is hit. The 
enable signal is not cut.  There is a claim that:A trip instantly stops 
your stepper motors and puts on the electric motor brakes to stop the 
axis system in it's tracks.

My question: Does stopping the step signal to the controller result in 
any sort of braking from some EMF in the motor that doesn't occur when 
the enable signal is stopped?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Re: [Emc-users] Newbe intro and question

2014-04-18 Thread Dave Caroline
On 18/04/2014, rayj raymo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 Greetings list,

 My question: Does stopping the step signal to the controller result in
 any sort of braking from some EMF in the motor that doesn't occur when
 the enable signal is stopped?


Yes as the current would be maintained thus stopping the motor.
removing the enable would drop the current and the steppers would be
able to spin easier, they will still cog and reduce speed.

Dave Caroline

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Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 4/18/2014 12:05 AM, yann jautard wrote:

 Le 17/04/2014 09:08, Steve Blackmore a écrit :

 Modern panels are designed to work in daylight and don't need full
 Sunlight.

 Well not really. There two main technologies, cristalline and amorphous.

 Cristalline cells needs full sunlight to deliver some usable power.
 Their efficiency is better.

 Amorphous cells can use indirect light like you have on cloudy day. But
 their efficiency is a little bit lower, wich is not a problem because
 they are cheaper, so for the same peak power you will pay the same. but
 you need more surface to install them.

All silicon PV panels lose some efficiency over time. The drop is fairly 
steep initially then tapers off to a very slow decline.

Crystal panels take a hit of 3% to 5% their first year then about 1% per 
year for several more years. Dunno if that's 1% of original capacity or 
1% of the reduced capacity each year.

Amorphous panels will drop up to 10% of their initial efficiency in a 
few years, so an installation using them should be oversized by at least 
10% above the amount of power required.

Each manufacturer has different claims and guarantees about the 
efficiency loss over time, but it's always a safe bet to oversize the 
capacity by plenty then never expand the draw to use the extra.

This efficiency loss is a good thing for building systems with used 
panels. Get well seasoned panels that have bottomed out on their 
initial rapid decline and you won't have to oversize the capacity - but 
get them tested for output in full sun.

One extra-ordinary 30 year old panel still delivered 97% of its initial 
capacity (in 2010) and more amps than the spec sheet. (Had to dig this 
out of the archive as the current site has it paywalled.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20100524144011/http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/testing-thirty-year-old-photovoltaic-module

Temperature also has an effect on output, efficiency loss and the 
overall longevity of the panel. Keeping them cool (which is a bit 
difficult for a dark object placed into direct sunlight) reduces 
efficiency loss and increases output.

And then there's this. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_photovoltaics

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Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:05:03 +0200, you wrote:


Le 17/04/2014 09:08, Steve Blackmore a écrit :

 Modern panels are designed to work in daylight and don't need full
 Sunlight.

Well not really. There two main technologies, cristalline and amorphous.

Cristalline cells needs full sunlight to deliver some usable power. 
Their efficiency is better.

Amorphous cells can use indirect light like you have on cloudy day. But 
their efficiency is a little bit lower, wich is not a problem because 
they are cheaper, so for the same peak power you will pay the same. but 
you need more surface to install them.

There are Hybrid cells too - crystalline and thin film mix.

In order of purchase price and roughly speaking

Poly - 11-15% efficient
Mono - 13-17%
Hybrids - 17%+

Typical panels over here in UK are 1.2 to 1.8 square metres in size and
produce about 180-250W in daylight (NOT full sun). - That's at 52 deg
North and are actual figures taken yesterday in overcast conditions on a
commercial CHP installation I designed five years ago.

Steve Blackmore
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Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread andy pugh
On 15 April 2014 21:25, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 Not a bad idea, but how many tons needed for the bottle jack?

Actually, I have just had one of these delivered (to be dismantled and
used as part of a different project).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Ton-Hydraulic-Wire-Battery-Cable-Lug-Terminal-Crimper-Crimping-Tool-11-Dies-/360798635074?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5401464442

And it looks like it could make a nice coin press.

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Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 18 April 2014 05:23:24 andy pugh did opine:

 On 15 April 2014 21:25, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  Not a bad idea, but how many tons needed for the bottle jack?
 
 Actually, I have just had one of these delivered (to be dismantled and
 used as part of a different project).
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Ton-Hydraulic-Wire-Battery-Cable-Lug-Terminal
 -Crimper-Crimping-Tool-11-Dies-/360798635074?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=
 item5401464442
 
 And it looks like it could make a nice coin press.

Yes, and that is a heck of a good price.  The last such gizmo like that I 
had in my hands was a Burndy Hi-Press, and its replacement cost in the 
middle '70's was about $1200 USD.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen,
congratulations to the announcement of 2.6!
I was very pleased to find may name on the list of contributers although 
I must confess that, besides participating lively, but passively in the 
discussions (lurking), my one and only contribution so far was the 
translation of a couple hundred error messages into German, more than a 
year ago. Big honour. Since I have no commercial application for 
LinuxCNC, just a few machines used for hobby purposes, it's mostly 
platonian love for IT applications leading me to LinuxCNC and the 
discussions on this list. I have installed a CD version of EMC2 and made 
some sample millings, but did my real CNC milling work by foot so far, 
using EAGLE for the coordinates, Excel for the scaling, Word for syntax 
structure and forming Gcode files and a free sample software, including 
a 3D traverse planner, for execution. Lathe work was done very 
effectively with home made Basic programs, a 286 PC and an old 
Parker-Hannifin IEEE stepper driver, but that was long ago.

But being mentioned, reminded me to take up this translating again, if I 
only knew where to get into that. Translating was relatively easy to do, 
so I could take it up now after some disturbances I encountered 
meanwhile. To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier 
sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most 
like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is 
linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that 
English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from 
which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was 
composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.  The 
spaces provided for the messages, as I remember, are sometimes a little 
short limited so High German text is sometimes hard to fit into them 
(frequently, I felt the urge to choose entirely different language 
structures or even re-arrange the error messages logically instead of 
translating). As Franz von Kobell put it:
Der Preusse spricht den gesamten Denkvorgang mit, der Bayer gibt nur 
das Ergebnis bekannt.
The Prussian (meaning: the High German speaker) pronounces the entire 
way of his thoughts, the Bavarian only the result.

But it would be a pain for the rest of German speaking people reading 
messages in Bavarian, so ...

Would someone please tell me how to enter the LinuxCNC site in order to 
contribute some more translations?

Easter Greetings from Bavaria
Peter Blodow

PS: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a native Bavarian, but of Viking descent!



Am 18.04.2014 07:11, schrieb Sebastian Kuzminsky:
 I am pleased to announce LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1.  This is the first in a
 series of pre-releases intended to shake out bugs, in preparation for
 the next stable release of LinuxCNC.

 If you are currently running LinuxCNC 2.5, you will not get
 automatically upgraded to 2.6.  If you want to stay on 2.5, no action is
 needed.

 LinuxCNC 2.6 is available for Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid and Ubuntu 12.04
 Precise.  LinuxCNC 2.6 is not available for Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy.

 To upgrade an existing LinuxCNC 2.5 install on Lucid or Precise, see the
 instructions on the wiki:

  http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6

 If you use a Mesa 7i64 or a Mesa 8i20, pay special attention to the
 Changes to your configuration section, as some HAL configuration has
 changed.

 That wiki page also contains instructions for making a fresh install of
 LinuxCNC 2.6 on Ubuntu 12.04 Precise.


 New features since LinuxCNC 2.5:

* reorganized sample configs to improve clarity
* .ini files now support a '#INCLUDE' directive

* GUI: Axis: allow feed rate override display to go up to %
* GUI: Axis: XYUV foam cutter support
* GUI: touchy: wheel scrolling of program start point

* GUI: add new gmoccapy gui
* GUI: add new gscreen gui

* gladevcp: lots of new widgets

* HAL: halcmd now supports tilde expansion
* HAL: halscope now shows the first derivative of probe channels

* HAL: stepgen now supports 16 channels (up from 8 in 2.5)
* HAL: gs2 VFD driver now supports configurable acceleration and
  deceleration, and has support for a braking resistor
* HAL: halui now switches to manual mode automatically when the user
  requests jogging

* HAL: new drivers:
* VFS11 VFD
* Delta VFD-B
* General Mechatronics 6 axis motion control card
* xhc-hb04 USB jog pendant

* HAL: new components:
* mux_generic: generic multiplexer
* lincurve: linearization curve lookup table
* matrix_kb: matrix keyboard driver
* mb2hal: generic Modbus-to-HAL interface
* orient: works with M19 to control spindle position
* sim-encoder: simulate an encoder, for useful for testing
* thcud: torch height control for plasma

* Hostmot2: add support for 5i24 AnyIO board
* Hostmot2: add 

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 April 2014 12:26, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote:

 But being mentioned, reminded me to take up this translating again, if I
 only knew where to get into that.

Some information is here.
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Translation

There are three things that could be usefully translated.
One thing that I noticed recently is the LinuxCNC web page itself.
If you look at the front pages, and hit the German link on the
bottom left, you don't actually get German in many cases, and in cases
where there is a German translation it is out-of-date and refers to
EMC2.
The simplest way to fix this is to email someone with edit-access to
the web content with the new translation. (I can do this).

Then there are the in-system messages. These are auto-subsitituted on
the basis of .po files. It would be useful to look through the files
for missing translations:
https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/blob/master/src/po/de.po
I have not used github myself, but there is a process for making
changes there and then sending a pull request to the developers to
have the changes merged.

The really big job is the documentation.
https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/master/docs/src
Written in Asciidoc. We need a better system for handling translation,
but in theory all you need to do is convert all those documents to
German, then become psychic so that you know when the English version
has changed so that you can update the German...


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Re: [Emc-users] A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread yann jautard
I have one of these chinese crimpers, I use it quite often when 
installing big batteries on solar systems. Very powerful, I also use it 
to crimp inox fittings on cables, or hydraulics, etc

On metal like Al, copper or brass I'm sure it will work nicely to press 
coins :)


Le 18/04/2014 11:27, Gene Heskett a écrit :
 On Friday 18 April 2014 05:23:24 andy pugh did opine:

 On 15 April 2014 21:25, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 Not a bad idea, but how many tons needed for the bottle jack?
 Actually, I have just had one of these delivered (to be dismantled and
 used as part of a different project).
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Ton-Hydraulic-Wire-Battery-Cable-Lug-Terminal
 -Crimper-Crimping-Tool-11-Dies-/360798635074?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=
 item5401464442

 And it looks like it could make a nice coin press.
 Yes, and that is a heck of a good price.  The last such gizmo like that I
 had in my hands was a Burndy Hi-Press, and its replacement cost in the
 middle '70's was about $1200 USD.

 Cheers, Gene


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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread yann jautard
I can help for french translation if needed.

Feel free to ask me.


Le 18/04/2014 13:26, Peter Blodow a écrit :
 Gentlemen,
 congratulations to the announcement of 2.6!
 I was very pleased to find may name on the list of contributers although
 I must confess that, besides participating lively, but passively in the
 discussions (lurking), my one and only contribution so far was the
 translation of a couple hundred error messages into German, more than a
 year ago. Big honour. Since I have no commercial application for
 LinuxCNC, just a few machines used for hobby purposes, it's mostly
 platonian love for IT applications leading me to LinuxCNC and the
 discussions on this list. I have installed a CD version of EMC2 and made
 some sample millings, but did my real CNC milling work by foot so far,
 using EAGLE for the coordinates, Excel for the scaling, Word for syntax
 structure and forming Gcode files and a free sample software, including
 a 3D traverse planner, for execution. Lathe work was done very
 effectively with home made Basic programs, a 286 PC and an old
 Parker-Hannifin IEEE stepper driver, but that was long ago.

 But being mentioned, reminded me to take up this translating again, if I
 only knew where to get into that. Translating was relatively easy to do,
 so I could take it up now after some disturbances I encountered
 meanwhile. To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier
 sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most
 like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is
 linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that
 English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from
 which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was
 composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.  The
 spaces provided for the messages, as I remember, are sometimes a little
 short limited so High German text is sometimes hard to fit into them
 (frequently, I felt the urge to choose entirely different language
 structures or even re-arrange the error messages logically instead of
 translating). As Franz von Kobell put it:
 Der Preusse spricht den gesamten Denkvorgang mit, der Bayer gibt nur
 das Ergebnis bekannt.
 The Prussian (meaning: the High German speaker) pronounces the entire
 way of his thoughts, the Bavarian only the result.

 But it would be a pain for the rest of German speaking people reading
 messages in Bavarian, so ...

 Would someone please tell me how to enter the LinuxCNC site in order to
 contribute some more translations?

 Easter Greetings from Bavaria
 Peter Blodow

 PS: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a native Bavarian, but of Viking descent!



 Am 18.04.2014 07:11, schrieb Sebastian Kuzminsky:
 I am pleased to announce LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1.  This is the first in a
 series of pre-releases intended to shake out bugs, in preparation for
 the next stable release of LinuxCNC.

 If you are currently running LinuxCNC 2.5, you will not get
 automatically upgraded to 2.6.  If you want to stay on 2.5, no action is
 needed.

 LinuxCNC 2.6 is available for Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid and Ubuntu 12.04
 Precise.  LinuxCNC 2.6 is not available for Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy.

 To upgrade an existing LinuxCNC 2.5 install on Lucid or Precise, see the
 instructions on the wiki:

   http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6

 If you use a Mesa 7i64 or a Mesa 8i20, pay special attention to the
 Changes to your configuration section, as some HAL configuration has
 changed.

 That wiki page also contains instructions for making a fresh install of
 LinuxCNC 2.6 on Ubuntu 12.04 Precise.


 New features since LinuxCNC 2.5:

 * reorganized sample configs to improve clarity
 * .ini files now support a '#INCLUDE' directive

 * GUI: Axis: allow feed rate override display to go up to %
 * GUI: Axis: XYUV foam cutter support
 * GUI: touchy: wheel scrolling of program start point

 * GUI: add new gmoccapy gui
 * GUI: add new gscreen gui

 * gladevcp: lots of new widgets

 * HAL: halcmd now supports tilde expansion
 * HAL: halscope now shows the first derivative of probe channels

 * HAL: stepgen now supports 16 channels (up from 8 in 2.5)
 * HAL: gs2 VFD driver now supports configurable acceleration and
   deceleration, and has support for a braking resistor
 * HAL: halui now switches to manual mode automatically when the user
   requests jogging

 * HAL: new drivers:
 * VFS11 VFD
 * Delta VFD-B
 * General Mechatronics 6 axis motion control card
 * xhc-hb04 USB jog pendant

 * HAL: new components:
 * mux_generic: generic multiplexer
 * lincurve: linearization curve lookup table
 * matrix_kb: matrix keyboard driver
 * mb2hal: generic Modbus-to-HAL interface
 * orient: works with M19 to control spindle position
 * sim-encoder: simulate an 

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Niemand Sonst
Hallo Andy,

the links you posted a out of date!

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Translation

is from 2012 and do mention under 7. Translations a Link to a document 
from 2009 with file lile tcl.pot, rs274.pot and axis.pot all the files 
do not exist any more, because someone merged all the translation in one 
monster file named linuxcnc.pot.

Because this file is so large and many times you are not able to get the 
meaning of the message, I avoided it to begin to translate some stuff 
from that. IMHO it is the wrong way to merge all translations in one 
file, because you will not find anyone to translate 3500 lines of 
messages without comments of the meaning or the information to what part 
they belong!

That is the reason, why I went a different way with gmoccapy and added 
my own translation files to /etc/po/gmoccapy, finding that way other 
people helping me with the translation.

I am sure we will not be able to change that for the 2.6 release, but we 
should split off the monster linuxcnc.pot file to make clear where the 
translations belong to.

I will go on with my GUI coding, so unfortunately I do not have spare 
time for translations.

Norbert

Am 18.04.2014 13:54, schrieb andy pugh:
 On 18 April 2014 12:26, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote:

 But being mentioned, reminded me to take up this translating again, if I
 only knew where to get into that.
 Some information is here.
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Translation

 There are three things that could be usefully translated.
 One thing that I noticed recently is the LinuxCNC web page itself.
 If you look at the front pages, and hit the German link on the
 bottom left, you don't actually get German in many cases, and in cases
 where there is a German translation it is out-of-date and refers to
 EMC2.
 The simplest way to fix this is to email someone with edit-access to
 the web content with the new translation. (I can do this).

 Then there are the in-system messages. These are auto-subsitituted on
 the basis of .po files. It would be useful to look through the files
 for missing translations:
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/blob/master/src/po/de.po
 I have not used github myself, but there is a process for making
 changes there and then sending a pull request to the developers to
 have the changes merged.

 The really big job is the documentation.
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/master/docs/src
 Written in Asciidoc. We need a better system for handling translation,
 but in theory all you need to do is convert all those documents to
 German, then become psychic so that you know when the English version
 has changed so that you can update the German...




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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Michael Haberler
Peter -
Am 18.04.2014 um 13:26 schrieb Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de:

 ... (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is 
 linguistically a branch of Bavarian). 

 
 PS: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a native Bavarian, but of Viking descent!

I already had the suspicion... why is it that countries like New Zealand, 
Canada and Austria are separated by the same language from slightly oversized, 
overly funny neighbours ..;)

-m
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.atwrote:

 Peter -
 Am 18.04.2014 um 13:26 schrieb Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de:

  ... (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is
  linguistically a branch of Bavarian).
 
 
  PS: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a native Bavarian, but of Viking descent!

 I already had the suspicion... why is it that countries like New Zealand,
 Canada and Austria are separated by the same language from slightly
 oversized, overly funny neighbours ..;)

 -m


Huh.  Didn't know NZ and Canada had Deutsche as their native language.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Brake resistor question

2014-04-18 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Thanks for all the responses!
I got some insight, where to start.

Viesturs


2014-04-17 19:31 GMT+03:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com:

 On 04/17/2014 08:56 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
  Hello!
 
  I have three chinese servo drives in the waterjet machine and they are
  constantly faulting with overvoltage error. Since I have not yet added
  any braking resistors, it seems obvious that I should do so.
  The question is: how do I determine appropriate resistance and rated
 power
  values for the resistor?
  Motor parameters are here:
  http://www.cutting.lv/fileadmin/user_upload/tg-motor.pdf
 
  Currently max current in motors is set to 1,4A, which makes me think that
  actual motor power is 500W.
 
 560 V at 1.4 A is a reasonable guess. That would be 400 Ohms.
 A 100 W vitreous ceramic resistor works well, they take
 momentary
 overloads easily. You could probably go a little lower on the
 resistance without trouble. But, it is unlikely the motors will
 generate much more than their continuous rating while
 being decelerated.

 Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Solar, A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 04/18/2014 12:27 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 On 4/18/2014 12:05 AM, yann jautard wrote:

 Le 17/04/2014 09:08, Steve Blackmore a écrit :

 Modern panels are designed to work in daylight and don't need full
 Sunlight.

 Well not really. There two main technologies, cristalline and amorphous.

 Cristalline cells needs full sunlight to deliver some usable power.
 Their efficiency is better.

 Amorphous cells can use indirect light like you have on cloudy day. But
 their efficiency is a little bit lower, wich is not a problem because
 they are cheaper, so for the same peak power you will pay the same. but
 you need more surface to install them.

While we are at it. I need to cut these down to make battery chargers 
for my tractors.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200834656851

Just picking them up can break these, let alone trying to cut them. Has 
anyone found a way to cut these? Laser cutting is probably the best 
method, but of course the cost of a laser cutter is to high.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 18.04.14 13:26, Peter Blodow wrote:
 To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier 
 sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most 
 like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is 
 linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that 
 English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from 
 which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was 
 composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.

Ah, I remember spending 10 weeks in München, after 28 hrs of German
lessons. Managed to converse in Hochdeutsch all of the last evening
without resorting to English, but Bayerisch pronunciation left me at the
starting post. If you did use that to shorten the translations, all the
Germans from north of the Weißwurstäquator would have just as much
trouble, wouldn't they?

Not knowing any Middle High German, I tend to notice the similarities
between the Danish Sønderjysk dialect and English, confirmed by reading
that Saxon doesn't come from Sachsen, but further north, around
Schleswig. 

Once you start looking, there's commonality all over the place, though
often with a bit of vowel bending, and sometimes a systematic consonant
softening which initially camouflages the strong connection.

Erik

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Peter Blodow
Andy,

thanks for your proposals, all within half an hour. Considering the 
(presumably giant) mass of the whole program docs and, in addition, 
their dubious actuality (according to Norbert's mail), I would prefer to 
care a bit for the home page and, again, the messages. The home page, as 
well the language switching as its graphic appearance, has been annoying 
me since I shared this list about five years ago.

May I accept your hint that you could open the way for me to edit some 
of these items? I need access  p l u s  advice. And: who is going to 
proofread it once it's been done? Anyone with a German background would 
be welcome as a sort of partner. Feel free to mail me privately.

Secondly, how about Norbert's objections (his language is German, too) 
to the way documentation is handled in general, especially the merging 
into a big blob where overview is hard to get? Dry matter and thick 
documents are deterring in the first place, anyway. There is a Bavarian 
saying When no jokes are made, nobody will attend the funeral. **

And Norbert is right, some things are only translatable or even 
understandable when you know the context and surroundings of the 
original. How should I translate as long as I don't completely 
understand what is being talked about? I admit that part of the thrill 
would be getting into LinuxCNC more closely, translating as an act of 
intense learning. Seems to me like dealing with the LinuxCNC 
documentation is more a job of organizing than translating things. And 
who keeps track of alterations or new versions in the doc, alerting 
translators as soon as (or better before) something is changed? Crash 
organizing, i.e., wait until people complain, or is it clairvoyance? 
This reminds me of an old data processing proverb:

Real programmers write real programs, not documentation.

Peter


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Am 18.04.2014 13:54, schrieb andy pugh:
 Some information is here.
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Translation

 There are three things that could be usefully translated.
 One thing that I noticed recently is the LinuxCNC web page itself.
 If you look at the front pages, and hit the German link on the
 bottom left, you don't actually get German in many cases, and in cases
 where there is a German translation it is out-of-date and refers to
 EMC2.
 The simplest way to fix this is to email someone with edit-access to
 the web content with the new translation. (I can do this).

 Then there are the in-system messages. These are auto-subsitituted on
 the basis of .po files. It would be useful to look through the files
 for missing translations:
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/blob/master/src/po/de.po
 I have not used github myself, but there is a process for making
 changes there and then sending a pull request to the developers to
 have the changes merged.

 The really big job is the documentation.
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/master/docs/src
 Written in Asciidoc. We need a better system for handling translation,
 but in theory all you need to do is convert all those documents to
 German, then become psychic so that you know when the English version
 has changed so that you can update the German...




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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Well, I can help with the spanish translations, I'm OK with the english but
may be some people don't, although it seems there are not so many spanish
speaker on this list, but still I can take a look at it!

By the way great job as always with the improvements!

Sometime ago I had in mind a doubt about if LCNC can handle separate tools
movements. For example if I have two separate joints with a tool on each
one of them and I need them to move at different feeds or if the distance
they have to travel is different, is ther a way to make them move
independently? I ask this because I've reading about the new TP and may be
this feature has something to with it. Also it would be nice to have
different spindles and control them separately.

This way a machine that has a non standard configuration (like a facing and
centering machine, or double spindle lathes) could be controlled. I guess
this is too much of a change but I could be considered for LCNC 3.0.0 I
guess :).

Thanks as always!

Leonardo.


2014-04-18 12:06 GMT-03:00 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net:

 On 18.04.14 13:26, Peter Blodow wrote:
  To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier
  sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most
  like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is
  linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that
  English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from
  which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was
  composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.

 Ah, I remember spending 10 weeks in München, after 28 hrs of German
 lessons. Managed to converse in Hochdeutsch all of the last evening
 without resorting to English, but Bayerisch pronunciation left me at the
 starting post. If you did use that to shorten the translations, all the
 Germans from north of the Weißwurstäquator would have just as much
 trouble, wouldn't they?

 Not knowing any Middle High German, I tend to notice the similarities
 between the Danish Sønderjysk dialect and English, confirmed by reading
 that Saxon doesn't come from Sachsen, but further north, around
 Schleswig.

 Once you start looking, there's commonality all over the place, though
 often with a bit of vowel bending, and sometimes a systematic consonant
 softening which initially camouflages the strong connection.

 Erik

 --
 ... and to avoid the tedious repetition of these woordes 'is equal to'
 I will sett, as I doe often in woorke use, a paire of parralelles or
 twin lines of one length, thus = bicause no 2 things can be moare equal.
 - Robert Recorde, writing in 1557 (quoted by Tubal Cain, in ME No. 4042)



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Sorry for the mistakes! I was writing a little too fast, but I think it's
legible :)


2014-04-18 13:00 GMT-03:00 Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com
:

 Well, I can help with the spanish translations, I'm OK with the english
 but may be some people don't, although it seems there are not so many
 spanish speaker on this list, but still I can take a look at it!

 By the way great job as always with the improvements!

 Sometime ago I had in mind a doubt about if LCNC can handle separate tools
 movements. For example if I have two separate joints with a tool on each
 one of them and I need them to move at different feeds or if the distance
 they have to travel is different, is ther a way to make them move
 independently? I ask this because I've reading about the new TP and may be
 this feature has something to with it. Also it would be nice to have
 different spindles and control them separately.

 This way a machine that has a non standard configuration (like a facing
 and centering machine, or double spindle lathes) could be controlled. I
 guess this is too much of a change but I could be considered for LCNC 3.0.0
 I guess :).

 Thanks as always!

 Leonardo.


 2014-04-18 12:06 GMT-03:00 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net:

 On 18.04.14 13:26, Peter Blodow wrote:
  To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier
  sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most
  like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is
  linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that
  English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from
  which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was
  composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.

 Ah, I remember spending 10 weeks in München, after 28 hrs of German
 lessons. Managed to converse in Hochdeutsch all of the last evening
 without resorting to English, but Bayerisch pronunciation left me at the
 starting post. If you did use that to shorten the translations, all the
 Germans from north of the Weißwurstäquator would have just as much
 trouble, wouldn't they?

 Not knowing any Middle High German, I tend to notice the similarities
 between the Danish Sønderjysk dialect and English, confirmed by reading
 that Saxon doesn't come from Sachsen, but further north, around
 Schleswig.

 Once you start looking, there's commonality all over the place, though
 often with a bit of vowel bending, and sometimes a systematic consonant
 softening which initially camouflages the strong connection.

 Erik

 --
 ... and to avoid the tedious repetition of these woordes 'is equal to'
 I will sett, as I doe often in woorke use, a paire of parralelles or
 twin lines of one length, thus = bicause no 2 things can be moare equal.
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Niemand Sonst
Halo Peter,

I am willing to give you a hand.
As I am from Hannover, I am not able to speek bavarian ;-)
But we may comunicate in Hochdeutsch;-)

Just get in contact with me over nie...@web.de

Norbert

Am 18.04.2014 17:51, schrieb Peter Blodow:
 Andy,

 thanks for your proposals, all within half an hour. Considering the
 (presumably giant) mass of the whole program docs and, in addition,
 their dubious actuality (according to Norbert's mail), I would prefer to
 care a bit for the home page and, again, the messages. The home page, as
 well the language switching as its graphic appearance, has been annoying
 me since I shared this list about five years ago.

 May I accept your hint that you could open the way for me to edit some
 of these items? I need access  p l u s  advice. And: who is going to
 proofread it once it's been done? Anyone with a German background would
 be welcome as a sort of partner. Feel free to mail me privately.

 Secondly, how about Norbert's objections (his language is German, too)
 to the way documentation is handled in general, especially the merging
 into a big blob where overview is hard to get? Dry matter and thick
 documents are deterring in the first place, anyway. There is a Bavarian
 saying When no jokes are made, nobody will attend the funeral. **

 And Norbert is right, some things are only translatable or even
 understandable when you know the context and surroundings of the
 original. How should I translate as long as I don't completely
 understand what is being talked about? I admit that part of the thrill
 would be getting into LinuxCNC more closely, translating as an act of
 intense learning. Seems to me like dealing with the LinuxCNC
 documentation is more a job of organizing than translating things. And
 who keeps track of alterations or new versions in the doc, alerting
 translators as soon as (or better before) something is changed? Crash
 organizing, i.e., wait until people complain, or is it clairvoyance?
 This reminds me of an old data processing proverb:

 Real programmers write real programs, not documentation.

 Peter


 ** Wenn's koa Gaudi gibt, geht koaner mit der Leich.


 Am 18.04.2014 13:54, schrieb andy pugh:
 Some information is here.
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Translation

 There are three things that could be usefully translated.
 One thing that I noticed recently is the LinuxCNC web page itself.
 If you look at the front pages, and hit the German link on the
 bottom left, you don't actually get German in many cases, and in cases
 where there is a German translation it is out-of-date and refers to
 EMC2.
 The simplest way to fix this is to email someone with edit-access to
 the web content with the new translation. (I can do this).

 Then there are the in-system messages. These are auto-subsitituted on
 the basis of .po files. It would be useful to look through the files
 for missing translations:
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/blob/master/src/po/de.po
 I have not used github myself, but there is a process for making
 changes there and then sending a pull request to the developers to
 have the changes merged.

 The really big job is the documentation.
 https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/master/docs/src
 Written in Asciidoc. We need a better system for handling translation,
 but in theory all you need to do is convert all those documents to
 German, then become psychic so that you know when the English version
 has changed so that you can update the German...



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1 OT

2014-04-18 Thread Peter Blodow
Erik,
28 hours of language lessons should be plenty to order and eat 
Weißwürste in a Munich Bierkeller. Even kids under the age of one can 
speak Bavarian hereabouts. Earnestly: Danish is closer to English than 
Bavarian, I admit. But I did have little problems in Denmark reading 
things, more understanding spoken language. There is a rumor that all 
the languages are hard to understand which are used to scare and drive 
cows (e.g., besides Bavarian, also Netherlands, Danish, Schwyzerdütsch, 
Texan etc.)

By the way: The tribes of the Saxons originally settled near the coast 
of the North Sea, around the Elbe river, partly in what is now 
Netherlands, partly what is now Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony). When they 
first arrived there, the sea retracted half a mile, and now it comes 
back every twelve hours to look if they are still there. Today's state 
of Saxony, part of the Federal Republic of Germany, has nothing in 
common with them except for the name, a consequence of feudal marriages. 
The name has to do with the indogermanic sax meaning a piece of rock 
(saxum in Latin), especially a stone knife, which shows how old this 
name must be. Later on, it signified a short, one bladed sword. In 
nordic langages it still exists a scissors, sax or saks. The Romans used 
it as a name for all kinds of pirates they encountered.

Once you know the way how the languages have changed in the ages, their 
construction laws,  it's easier to learn a related language - that's 
why I have difficulties with Chinese.

Peter

Am 18.04.2014 17:06, schrieb Erik Christiansen:
 On 18.04.14 13:26, Peter Blodow wrote:
 To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier
 sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most
 like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is
 linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that
 English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from
 which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was
 composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.
 Ah, I remember spending 10 weeks in München, after 28 hrs of German
 lessons. Managed to converse in Hochdeutsch all of the last evening
 without resorting to English, but Bayerisch pronunciation left me at the
 starting post. If you did use that to shorten the translations, all the
 Germans from north of the Weißwurstäquator would have just as much
 trouble, wouldn't they?

 Not knowing any Middle High German, I tend to notice the similarities
 between the Danish Sønderjysk dialect and English, confirmed by reading
 that Saxon doesn't come from Sachsen, but further north, around
 Schleswig.

 Once you start looking, there's commonality all over the place, though
 often with a bit of vowel bending, and sometimes a systematic consonant
 softening which initially camouflages the strong connection.

 Erik



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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Solar, A round toit generator

2014-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/18/2014 09:48 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:

 While we are at it. I need to cut these down to make battery chargers
 for my tractors.
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/200834656851

 Just picking them up can break these, let alone trying to cut them. Has
 anyone found a way to cut these? Laser cutting is probably the best
 method, but of course the cost of a laser cutter is to high.

A diamond wafer saw does a nice job.  They go on the surplus
market for less than US $100K.  70K rpm, air bearings.
I have no idea what the saw blades cost, but probably expensive.
They can cut a .007 kerf.

I have no idea if there is any other technology that works. 
Certainly
not for the hobbyist.

Jon

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[Emc-users] reprap M104/109 function or G10 and M66 for setting and waiting on temperature?

2014-04-18 Thread Bas de Bruijn
Hi,
I'm working on remapping M109/M106/M104 to something like M209 etcetera. I came 
across 
thishttp://reprap.org/wiki/Talk:G-code#M104_.26_M109_Deprecation.2C_G10_Introduction
 and I'm wondering about the way to continue.

The M104 used in reprap style devices is for setting the temperature of the hot 
end, and M109 will also wait for the temperature to be reached before 
continuing.

I'm wondering what is the right way to go. 
How do you normally use tools which are heated? You have to switch those tools 
on/of/set temperature. Is G10 the preferred way?
Basically the temperature is dependant of the process (slicing, material etc) 
and not dependant on the tool per se.

the following could be done:
- set the temperature of the tool with a G10
- internally have the set temperature of that tool connected with the wcomp 
function
- than wait with M66 on the out bit of the wcomp function?

with G10 and M66 you could re-use basic functions.
any thoughts on the logical and right way to do this?
Thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] reprap M104/109 function or G10 and M66 for setting and waiting on temperature?

2014-04-18 Thread Bas de Bruijn

On 18 Apr 2014, at 21:39, Bas de Bruijn bdebru...@luminize.nl wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm working on remapping M109/M106/M104 to something like M209 etcetera. I 
 came across 
 thishttp://reprap.org/wiki/Talk:G-code#M104_.26_M109_Deprecation.2C_G10_Introduction
  and I'm wondering about the way to continue.
 
 The M104 used in reprap style devices is for setting the temperature of the 
 hot end, and M109 will also wait for the temperature to be reached before 
 continuing.
 
 I'm wondering what is the right way to go. 
 How do you normally use tools which are heated? You have to switch those 
 tools on/of/set temperature. Is G10 the preferred way?
 Basically the temperature is dependant of the process (slicing, material etc) 
 and not dependant on the tool per se.
 
 the following could be done:
 - set the temperature of the tool with a G10
 - internally have the set temperature of that tool connected with the wcomp 
 function
 - than wait with M66 on the out bit of the wcomp function?
 
 with G10 and M66 you could re-use basic functions.

 any thoughts on the logical and right way to do this?
please don’t misread as in: would you please program this for me.
I refer to the use of the G10 and M66 instead of writing a “custom” solution

 Thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] Newbe intro and question

2014-04-18 Thread rayj
Thanks much for the info.  Back to lurking.

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On 04/18/2014 02:24 AM, Dave Caroline wrote:
 On 18/04/2014, rayj raymo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 Greetings list,

 My question: Does stopping the step signal to the controller result in
 any sort of braking from some EMF in the motor that doesn't occur when
 the enable signal is stopped?


 Yes as the current would be maintained thus stopping the motor.
 removing the enable would drop the current and the steppers would be
 able to spin easier, they will still cog and reduce speed.

 Dave Caroline

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[Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

2014-04-18 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings;

The hot water valve in our 35yo Maytag clothes washer has a screen in the 
inlet, and from the low flow is mostly blocked, full of lime.

So I go get 2 fresh armored hoses, and some service screens for the 
solenoid valves, and pull it out to where I can sort of get to it.

Unforch, the pair of bronze faucets that have been there since 1974 cannot 
be turned off, the screws threads are apparently both loaded up with hard 
water deposits over the last 30+ years, and a 12 pipe wrench across the 
top of the tee handles can't budge them.  The Stem packing nuts are backed 
off about a turn each,  I just soaked the stems with wd-40.

I have an air hammer like you would put a chisel in to cut mufflers loose, 
would it to to let it buzz on the side of the stem to shatter the lime in 
th threads?  Or would I just bust it off?  Either way it looks like a trip 
out for 2 new faucets.

I thought I had a can of PB Blaster, but its got up and left.

Anybody have a better idea?

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing LinuxCNC 2.6.0-pre1

2014-04-18 Thread Bas de Bruijn

On 18 Apr 2014, at 17:06, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote:

 On 18.04.14 13:26, Peter Blodow wrote:
 To be honest, translating into Bavarian would be even easier 
 sometimes as Bavarian often has a concise way to express things most 
 like English has (yes, Michael, Austrian and especially Tyrolian is 
 linguistically a branch of Bavarian). The reason, as I see it, is that 
 English and Bavarian have close common roots in Midle High German from 
 which they are descendants, as opposed to today's High German which was 
 composed rather artificlally, beginnig about matirn Luther's time.
 
 Ah, I remember spending 10 weeks in München, after 28 hrs of German
 lessons. Managed to converse in Hochdeutsch all of the last evening
 without resorting to English, but Bayerisch pronunciation left me at the
 starting post. If you did use that to shorten the translations, all the
 Germans from north of the Weißwurstäquator would have just as much
 trouble, wouldn't they?

I was in München last wednesday and thursday for a visit to a customer, and 
while
being at the bar I noticed that my German improved significantly with time. 
While being
at work (during the day) I had to use my hands and feet, English and even 
Dutch. 
I haven’t drawn any conclusion yet, I need to investigate more...

 
 Not knowing any Middle High German, I tend to notice the similarities
 between the Danish Sønderjysk dialect and English, confirmed by reading
 that Saxon doesn't come from Sachsen, but further north, around
 Schleswig. 
 
 Once you start looking, there's commonality all over the place, though
 often with a bit of vowel bending, and sometimes a systematic consonant
 softening which initially camouflages the strong connection.
 
 Erik
 
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 ... and to avoid the tedious repetition of these woordes 'is equal to'
 I will sett, as I doe often in woorke use, a paire of parralelles or  
 twin lines of one length, thus = bicause no 2 things can be moare equal.  
 - Robert Recorde, writing in 1557 (quoted by Tubal Cain, in ME No. 4042)
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

2014-04-18 Thread Todd Zuercher
You could try soaking the lime scale with some strong acid (lime scale 
remover).  

PS  It is a good idea to close and open all the shutoff valves in you plumbing 
system once or twice a year, A. to prevent this sort of problem, and B. to 
detect a developing problem before it becomes a disaster.  It is also a good 
practice to close the washer valves when the washer is not in use, the solenoid 
valves can fail in the open state, leading to a potential flooding problem.

- Original Message -
From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:58:26 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

Greetings;

The hot water valve in our 35yo Maytag clothes washer has a screen in the 
inlet, and from the low flow is mostly blocked, full of lime.

So I go get 2 fresh armored hoses, and some service screens for the 
solenoid valves, and pull it out to where I can sort of get to it.

Unforch, the pair of bronze faucets that have been there since 1974 cannot 
be turned off, the screws threads are apparently both loaded up with hard 
water deposits over the last 30+ years, and a 12 pipe wrench across the 
top of the tee handles can't budge them.  The Stem packing nuts are backed 
off about a turn each,  I just soaked the stems with wd-40.

I have an air hammer like you would put a chisel in to cut mufflers loose, 
would it to to let it buzz on the side of the stem to shatter the lime in 
th threads?  Or would I just bust it off?  Either way it looks like a trip 
out for 2 new faucets.

I thought I had a can of PB Blaster, but its got up and left.

Anybody have a better idea?

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

2014-04-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 18 April 2014 23:10:44 Todd Zuercher did opine:

 You could try soaking the lime scale with some strong acid (lime scale
 remover).
 
But to do that, I have to get into it.  So I just shut the whole house off 
long enough to pull the screens from the valves.  The old hose also had 
screens at the faucet end, and the new screens don't fit the solenoid, so I 
put fresh screens in the new hoses, and left the solenoids clear.  Now we 
can push the warm button and get nominally 100F water pouring in.

 PS  It is a good idea to close and open all the shutoff valves in you
 plumbing system once or twice a year, A. to prevent this sort of
 problem, and B. to detect a developing problem before it becomes a
 disaster.

Yes, the last time I tried to close these was about 23 years ago, and it 
was hell then.  I'll get some fresh ones the next time I hit Lowes.

 It is also a good practice to close the washer valves when
 the washer is not in use, the solenoid valves can fail in the open
 state,

From a bit of debris blocking them open.  Once in 80 years, failed hoses 
have been 10x more prevalent.

 leading to a potential flooding problem.

The dehumidifiers are working overtime now, I probably lost 3 gallons on 
the floor.

But its fixed for another 20 years (maybe).
 
Thanks Todd.

 - Original Message -
 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:58:26
 PM
 Subject: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc
 
 Greetings;
 
 The hot water valve in our 35yo Maytag clothes washer has a screen in
 the inlet, and from the low flow is mostly blocked, full of lime.
 
 So I go get 2 fresh armored hoses, and some service screens for the
 solenoid valves, and pull it out to where I can sort of get to it.
 
 Unforch, the pair of bronze faucets that have been there since 1974
 cannot be turned off, the screws threads are apparently both loaded up
 with hard water deposits over the last 30+ years, and a 12 pipe wrench
 across the top of the tee handles can't budge them.  The Stem packing
 nuts are backed off about a turn each,  I just soaked the stems with
 wd-40.
 
 I have an air hammer like you would put a chisel in to cut mufflers
 loose, would it to to let it buzz on the side of the stem to shatter
 the lime in th threads?  Or would I just bust it off?  Either way it
 looks like a trip out for 2 new faucets.
 
 I thought I had a can of PB Blaster, but its got up and left.
 
 Anybody have a better idea?
 
 Cheers, Gene


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Re: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

2014-04-18 Thread rayj
One possible workaround is to mount valves on the old valve spout, where 
the hoses attach.  It is definitely not the ideal solution, and takes a 
couple of extra adapters, but it will give you valves for the washing 
machine.  Depending on the materials that the tee and the valve are made 
of you may end up replacing the tee if the valve won't come out.

Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN

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understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. 
And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, 
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On 04/18/2014 10:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Friday 18 April 2014 23:10:44 Todd Zuercher did opine:

 You could try soaking the lime scale with some strong acid (lime scale
 remover).

 But to do that, I have to get into it.  So I just shut the whole house off
 long enough to pull the screens from the valves.  The old hose also had
 screens at the faucet end, and the new screens don't fit the solenoid, so I
 put fresh screens in the new hoses, and left the solenoids clear.  Now we
 can push the warm button and get nominally 100F water pouring in.

 PS  It is a good idea to close and open all the shutoff valves in you
 plumbing system once or twice a year, A. to prevent this sort of
 problem, and B. to detect a developing problem before it becomes a
 disaster.

 Yes, the last time I tried to close these was about 23 years ago, and it
 was hell then.  I'll get some fresh ones the next time I hit Lowes.

 It is also a good practice to close the washer valves when
 the washer is not in use, the solenoid valves can fail in the open
 state,

From a bit of debris blocking them open.  Once in 80 years, failed hoses
 have been 10x more prevalent.

 leading to a potential flooding problem.

 The dehumidifiers are working overtime now, I probably lost 3 gallons on
 the floor.

 But its fixed for another 20 years (maybe).

 Thanks Todd.

 - Original Message -
 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:58:26
 PM
 Subject: [Emc-users] Silly bQ, nothing to do with Linuxcnc

 Greetings;

 The hot water valve in our 35yo Maytag clothes washer has a screen in
 the inlet, and from the low flow is mostly blocked, full of lime.

 So I go get 2 fresh armored hoses, and some service screens for the
 solenoid valves, and pull it out to where I can sort of get to it.

 Unforch, the pair of bronze faucets that have been there since 1974
 cannot be turned off, the screws threads are apparently both loaded up
 with hard water deposits over the last 30+ years, and a 12 pipe wrench
 across the top of the tee handles can't budge them.  The Stem packing
 nuts are backed off about a turn each,  I just soaked the stems with
 wd-40.

 I have an air hammer like you would put a chisel in to cut mufflers
 loose, would it to to let it buzz on the side of the stem to shatter
 the lime in th threads?  Or would I just bust it off?  Either way it
 looks like a trip out for 2 new faucets.

 I thought I had a can of PB Blaster, but its got up and left.

 Anybody have a better idea?

 Cheers, Gene


 Cheers, Gene


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