Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Condit Alan via Emc-users]

Peter,

Now the jumpers are as follows:
5i25 W1-Down, W2-Up, W3-Up, W4-Up, and W5-Up
7i76 W1-Left, W2-Left, W3-Left, W4-Left, W5-Left and W6-Left
and the separate 5V supply is disconnected.

However, now the 5V LED is off.

Alan


> On Aug 23, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:
> 
>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:50:05 -0700
>> From: Condit Alan 
>> To: Wallace Peter C. 
>> Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" ,
>>andy pugh 
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
>> I have attached the output from mesaflash. I have 4 or 5 25pin m-m cables. I 
>> have tried 3 different ones (new out of the bag (however made in china)).
>> 
>> W1 is right, W3 is left. I just noticed that the 5V LED is pulsing bright 
>> then dim about every three seconds.
> 
> 
> Normally W1 must be in the left hand position (this is likely why its not 
> working)
> 
> Also sounds like you have a problem with your 5V power supply
> 
> I would jumper the 5I25 /7I76 for cable power and eliminate the external 5V 
> supply as a potential issue: 7I76 W2 left, 5I25 W2 UP
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:
>>> 
 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:31:08 -0700
 From: Condit Alan mailto:condita...@yahoo.com>>
 To: Wallace Peter C. mailto:p...@mesanet.com>>
 Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
 " >>> >,
   andy pugh mailto:bodge...@gmail.com>>
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
 Peter,
 
 I have a separate 24V 2.5amp DIN rail power supply that powers fieldIO and 
 a small pcb power supply (7805 plus a couple caps) that comes off of it to 
 supply 5v power. I had the jumper in the wrong position for separate 
 powers for field IO and separate 5v power. I changed that jumper. I was 
 getting both oranges LEDs lit before and after the change, but could that 
 have caused a problem?
>>> 
>>> Its not likely but if you supply external 5V and you have the jumpers wrong 
>>> you can possibly damage the 5I25 card or the cable (thats why theres a 
>>> warning in the manual) That said, a 7805 is not likely to have enough 
>>> current to do any real damage
>>> 
 
 I checked all the other jumpers on both boards and everything is now 
 correct. I have a short DB25M to DB25F ribbon cable to bring the 7i76 out 
 to the back of the cabinet. I disconnected it and connected the 6ft 25pin 
 DB25m to DB25m cable direct from the 5i25 to the 7i76 but no change in 
 behavior.
 
 I noticed that in pncconf there are no tabs for TB2 or TB3. Also on TB4 
 there are no lines for SPINDLE-ENA or SPINDLE-DIR. Is that normal?
>>> 
>>> I would not worry about pncconf at this point, if you have no 7I76 pins its 
>>> likely a hardware or firmware setup issue
>>> 
>>> 
 
 I bought the 5i25/7i76 pair directly from you so I assume that it has the 
 correct firmware???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would check just to make sure
>>> 
>>> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid
>>> 
>>> Did you get the DB25 M-M cable from us also?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are 7I76 W1 and W3 in the left hand positions?
 
 What else can I do?
 
 Alan
 
>>> 
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>>> Mesa Electronics
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Re: [Emc-users] update version on working machine

[Chris Albertson]

Swap out the HD?   No. Yo can install quite a few copies of Linux+EMC on
one drive then chose which to boot from the boot menu.  THIS is the safest
 way to upgrade a running system:  Make multiple partitions.

Then it is easy to copy from the old system, you boot the new one and mount
the old system read-only and copy from it.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:18 PM Jon Elson  wrote:

>
> On 08/23/2018 08:41 AM, Ed wrote:
> > I have a lathe that is running 2.5.4 and runs well.
> >
> > I get offers from Update Manager to do an update. Can this
> > be any danger to operation or to any of the ini or hal
> > files or operation?
> >
> > My paranoid gene tells me to ask.
> >
> Your paranoia is GOOD!  I would not update the system.  If
> you want to check out the newer version,
> at the VERY LEAST, just swap out the hard drive, and install
> a completely new system from the ISO.
> If the computer is pretty old, it might be time to update
> the hardware as well.
> You can copy over your config file set and machining
> programs from backups, or using whatever removable media you
> have available.  Most likely, you will have to make some
> small adjustments to your configs files to make them work on
> the latest LinuxCNC version.  The release notes usually
> describe what needs to be done accurately.
>
> This is the safest way to do things.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] update version on working machine

[Jon Elson]

On 08/23/2018 08:53 AM, andy pugh wrote:
But it is likely that the update manager is suggesting 
updating from 2.5.4 to 2.5.5 and that should certainly be 
safe.

I would just NOT bother with such a minor update.

2.5.4 is really quite old.
Yes, and 2.5.5 is also plenty old.  The biggie is to not 
allow the OS to be updated, as that will lose the RT kernel 
in most cases.  If you are going to update, go to the latest 
stable release.  There are a LOT of important improvements.


But, if you are running on really old, slow hardware, then 
2.7 and the associated newer kernels and Xwindows may not 
run well at all on that.


Jon



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Re: [Emc-users] update version on working machine

[Jon Elson]

On 08/23/2018 08:41 AM, Ed wrote:

I have a lathe that is running 2.5.4 and runs well.

I get offers from Update Manager to do an update. Can this 
be any danger to operation or to any of the ini or hal 
files or operation?


My paranoid gene tells me to ask.

Your paranoia is GOOD!  I would not update the system.  If 
you want to check out the newer version,
at the VERY LEAST, just swap out the hard drive, and install 
a completely new system from the ISO.
If the computer is pretty old, it might be time to update 
the hardware as well.
You can copy over your config file set and machining 
programs from backups, or using whatever removable media you 
have available.  Most likely, you will have to make some 
small adjustments to your configs files to make them work on 
the latest LinuxCNC version.  The release notes usually 
describe what needs to be done accurately.


This is the safest way to do things.

Jon



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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Peter C. Wallace]

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:


Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:50:05 -0700
From: Condit Alan 
To: Wallace Peter C. 
Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" ,
andy pugh 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

I have attached the output from mesaflash. I have 4 or 5 25pin m-m cables. I 
have tried 3 different ones (new out of the bag (however made in china)).

W1 is right, W3 is left. I just noticed that the 5V LED is pulsing bright then 
dim about every three seconds.



Normally W1 must be in the left hand position (this is likely why its not 
working)


Also sounds like you have a problem with your 5V power supply

I would jumper the 5I25 /7I76 for cable power and eliminate the external 5V 
supply as a potential issue: 7I76 W2 left, 5I25 W2 UP







On Aug 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:


Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:31:08 -0700
From: Condit Alan mailto:condita...@yahoo.com>>
To: Wallace Peter C. mailto:p...@mesanet.com>>
Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net " 
mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>>,
   andy pugh mailto:bodge...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
Peter,

I have a separate 24V 2.5amp DIN rail power supply that powers fieldIO and a 
small pcb power supply (7805 plus a couple caps) that comes off of it to supply 
5v power. I had the jumper in the wrong position for separate powers for field 
IO and separate 5v power. I changed that jumper. I was getting both oranges 
LEDs lit before and after the change, but could that have caused a problem?


Its not likely but if you supply external 5V and you have the jumpers wrong you 
can possibly damage the 5I25 card or the cable (thats why theres a warning in 
the manual) That said, a 7805 is not likely to have enough current to do any 
real damage



I checked all the other jumpers on both boards and everything is now correct. I 
have a short DB25M to DB25F ribbon cable to bring the 7i76 out to the back of 
the cabinet. I disconnected it and connected the 6ft 25pin DB25m to DB25m cable 
direct from the 5i25 to the 7i76 but no change in behavior.

I noticed that in pncconf there are no tabs for TB2 or TB3. Also on TB4 there 
are no lines for SPINDLE-ENA or SPINDLE-DIR. Is that normal?


I would not worry about pncconf at this point, if you have no 7I76 pins its 
likely a hardware or firmware setup issue




I bought the 5i25/7i76 pair directly from you so I assume that it has the 
correct firmware???



I would check just to make sure

sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid

Did you get the DB25 M-M cable from us also?


Are 7I76 W1 and W3 in the left hand positions?


What else can I do?

Alan



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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Condit Alan via Emc-users]

loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=1 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=5 
sserial_port_0=00"

> On Aug 23, 2018, at 3:12 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On 23 August 2018 at 23:06, Condit Alan  wrote:
>> I checked two of the 6footers and the short ribbon cable. They were all OK.
> 
> What does the "loadrt hm2_pci" line say?
> (if it references the INI, what is that INI entry?)
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[andy pugh]

On 23 August 2018 at 23:06, Condit Alan  wrote:
> I checked two of the 6footers and the short ribbon cable. They were all OK.

What does the "loadrt hm2_pci" line say?
(if it references the INI, what is that INI entry?)




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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Condit Alan via Emc-users]

I checked two of the 6footers and the short ribbon cable. They were all OK.

> On Aug 23, 2018, at 2:31 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On 23 August 2018 at 21:50, Condit Alan  wrote:
>> I have attached the output from mesaflash.
> 
> Looks like a 2x7i76 firmware, so should be fine.
> 
> Can you check that the D-sub cables are fully-wired? Quite a lot
> aren't. You can buzz through with a multimeter.
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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[andy pugh]

On 23 August 2018 at 21:50, Condit Alan  wrote:
> I have attached the output from mesaflash.

Looks like a 2x7i76 firmware, so should be fine.

Can you check that the D-sub cables are fully-wired? Quite a lot
aren't. You can buzz through with a multimeter.

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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Condit Alan via Emc-users]

I have attached the output from mesaflash. I have 4 or 5 25pin m-m cables. I 
have tried 3 different ones (new out of the bag (however made in china)).

W1 is right, W3 is left. I just noticed that the 5V LED is pulsing bright then 
dim about every three seconds.



> On Aug 23, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:
> 
>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:31:08 -0700
>> From: Condit Alan mailto:condita...@yahoo.com>>
>> To: Wallace Peter C. mailto:p...@mesanet.com>>
>> Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
>> " > >,
>>andy pugh mailto:bodge...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
>> Peter,
>> 
>> I have a separate 24V 2.5amp DIN rail power supply that powers fieldIO and a 
>> small pcb power supply (7805 plus a couple caps) that comes off of it to 
>> supply 5v power. I had the jumper in the wrong position for separate powers 
>> for field IO and separate 5v power. I changed that jumper. I was getting 
>> both oranges LEDs lit before and after the change, but could that have 
>> caused a problem?
> 
> Its not likely but if you supply external 5V and you have the jumpers wrong 
> you can possibly damage the 5I25 card or the cable (thats why theres a 
> warning in the manual) That said, a 7805 is not likely to have enough current 
> to do any real damage
> 
>> 
>> I checked all the other jumpers on both boards and everything is now 
>> correct. I have a short DB25M to DB25F ribbon cable to bring the 7i76 out to 
>> the back of the cabinet. I disconnected it and connected the 6ft 25pin DB25m 
>> to DB25m cable direct from the 5i25 to the 7i76 but no change in behavior.
>> 
>> I noticed that in pncconf there are no tabs for TB2 or TB3. Also on TB4 
>> there are no lines for SPINDLE-ENA or SPINDLE-DIR. Is that normal?
> 
> I would not worry about pncconf at this point, if you have no 7I76 pins its 
> likely a hardware or firmware setup issue
> 
> 
>> 
>> I bought the 5i25/7i76 pair directly from you so I assume that it has the 
>> correct firmware???
> 
> 
> I would check just to make sure
> 
> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid
> 
> Did you get the DB25 M-M cable from us also?
> 
> 
> Are 7I76 W1 and W3 in the left hand positions?
>> 
>> What else can I do?
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
> 
> Peter Wallace
> Mesa Electronics
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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Peter C. Wallace]

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:


Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:31:08 -0700
From: Condit Alan 
To: Wallace Peter C. 
Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" ,
andy pugh 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

Peter,

I have a separate 24V 2.5amp DIN rail power supply that powers fieldIO and a 
small pcb power supply (7805 plus a couple caps) that comes off of it to 
supply 5v power. I had the jumper in the wrong position for separate powers 
for field IO and separate 5v power. I changed that jumper. I was getting 
both oranges LEDs lit before and after the change, but could that have 
caused a problem?


Its not likely but if you supply external 5V and you have the jumpers wrong 
you can possibly damage the 5I25 card or the cable (thats why theres a warning 
in the manual) That said, a 7805 is not likely to have enough current 
to do any real damage




I checked all the other jumpers on both boards and everything is now 
correct. I have a short DB25M to DB25F ribbon cable to bring the 7i76 out to 
the back of the cabinet. I disconnected it and connected the 6ft 25pin DB25m 
to DB25m cable direct from the 5i25 to the 7i76 but no change in behavior.


I noticed that in pncconf there are no tabs for TB2 or TB3. Also on TB4 
there are no lines for SPINDLE-ENA or SPINDLE-DIR. Is that normal?


I would not worry about pncconf at this point, if you have no 7I76 pins its 
likely a hardware or firmware setup issue





I bought the 5i25/7i76 pair directly from you so I assume that it has the 
correct firmware???



I would check just to make sure

sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid

Did you get the DB25 M-M cable from us also?


Are 7I76 W1 and W3 in the left hand positions?


What else can I do?

Alan


On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:


Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 16:28:43 -0700
From: Condit Alan 
To: Wallace Peter C. 
Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" ,
   andy pugh 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
So what is the remedy for this?


typical issues:

No or too low field power

No 5V power

5I25 / 7I76 5V power options dont match

wrong firmware on 5I25

7I76 run/setup jumper in setup position

7I76 on wrong 5I25 connector

wrong cable




On Aug 22, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

Actually rather than a pncconf error, this sounds more like the 7I76's I/O 
section is not found so no 7i76 pins will be present in hal



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Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14

[Condit Alan via Emc-users]

Peter,

I have a separate 24V 2.5amp DIN rail power supply that powers fieldIO and a 
small pcb power supply (7805 plus a couple caps) that comes off of it to supply 
5v power. I had the jumper in the wrong position for separate powers for field 
IO and separate 5v power. I changed that jumper.
I was getting both oranges LEDs lit before and after the change, but could that 
have caused a problem?

I checked all the other jumpers on both boards and everything is now correct.
I have a short DB25M to DB25F ribbon cable to bring the 7i76 out to the back of 
the cabinet. I disconnected it and connected the 6ft 25pin DB25m to DB25m cable 
direct from the 5i25 to the 7i76 but no change in behavior.

I noticed that in pncconf there are no tabs for TB2 or TB3. Also on TB4 there 
are no lines for SPINDLE-ENA or SPINDLE-DIR. Is that normal?

I bought the 5i25/7i76 pair directly from you so I assume that it has the 
correct firmware???

What else can I do?

Alan

> On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Condit Alan wrote:
> 
>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 16:28:43 -0700
>> From: Condit Alan 
>> To: Wallace Peter C. 
>> Cc: "Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" ,
>>andy pugh 
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] pncconf error under 2.7.14
>> So what is the remedy for this?
> 
> typical issues:
> 
> No or too low field power
> 
> No 5V power
> 
> 5I25 / 7I76 5V power options dont match
> 
> wrong firmware on 5I25
> 
> 7I76 run/setup jumper in setup position
> 
> 7I76 on wrong 5I25 connector
> 
> wrong cable
> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually rather than a pncconf error, this sounds more like the 7I76's I/O 
>>> section is not found so no 7i76 pins will be present in hal
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter Wallace
>>> Mesa Electronics
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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[Emc-users] Gcode extents

[Ken Strauss]

After loading a gcode file the extents (max/min x,y,z) are displayed at least 
in Pathpilot. Is there any way to access these values from within the gcode?



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Re: [Emc-users] update version on working machine

[andy pugh]

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 14:43, Ed  wrote:
>
> I have a lathe that is running 2.5.4 and runs well.
>
> I get offers from Update Manager to do an update. Can this be any danger
> to operation or to any of the ini or hal files or operation?

There are some small config changes needed from 2.5.4 to 2.7.14 and
some major config changes needed from 2.7 to 2.8

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html

But it is likely that the update manager is suggesting updating from
2.5.4 to 2.5.5 and that should certainly be safe.

2.5.4 is really quite old.

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[Emc-users] update version on working machine

[Ed]

I have a lathe that is running 2.5.4 and runs well.

I get offers from Update Manager to do an update. Can this be any danger 
to operation or to any of the ini or hal files or operation?


My paranoid gene tells me to ask.


Ed.



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