Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-14 Thread Alex Joni
Hi Steve,

I got them, but there is also the concearn other people are having (having 
public viewable address data).
I understand some have no problems with having their address up, some do.
I chose (for now, and it's up for debate) to have the users beeing visible 
only to registered visitors.

On the other hand, people concearned about revealing info about themselves 
are not forced to enter any data they don't like.
Entering only the city, area, country should be enough to put a pin on the 
map.

Regards,
Alex


 Perhaps the intent of my remarks were misunderstood, or
 at least buried by others concerns.

 My point was that a casual visitor to the web site would
 have no idea that the map or forums even existed.

 For me at least, it is not possible to see any of the above
 without registering and logging into the system.

 Steve Stallings


 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Joni [mailto:alex.j...@robcon.ro]
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:34 PM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

 I hacked the map some more, and now the markers should only
 be visible to registered users.
 So if you're not signed in, you can't see any data (except
 the data we publish, like the EMC Fest location for this year).
 We can also add other markers (NAMES maybe? or any other emc
 events..).
 If you're still uncomfortable with adding your address, the
 City name should be more than enough.

 Regards,
 Alex


  Peter Blodow wrote I wonder what treasures you are sitting upon on
  your piece of property in Suffolk.
 
  Hi Peter,
  No use looking for me in Suffolk - I'm in Sheffield, South
  Yorkshire.. the one that's famous for the world's best cutlery,
  knives and steel !!  You would also have to look quite hard to find
  any real treasures although my home made and designed
 desktop miller
  and lathe combination gives me a lot of pleasure in the odd
 minutes I
  can take away from my, almost constant, grandparenting duties
  I don't think I have ever been to Bavaria although I love
 Austria - I
  must have a browse around Bavaria on Google Earth..
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Ian
  --
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  Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-14 Thread Mark
On the other hand, people concearned about revealing info about themselves
 are not forced to enter any data they don't like.
 Entering only the city, area, country should be enough to put a pin on the
 map.


This seems like the obvious solution to me.  If anyone wished to visit, they
would still have to call or email, to make sure the person was home - so
there's no real reason to put exact addresses.

If privacy still bugs people, take a screenshot of the populated map. Resize
it to 25% or smaller, and put it on the homepage so that unregistered people
know about it.  If the image is resized, there's no way anyone could get a
very accurate location from it.

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread Peter blodow
Hello Ian,
I wonder what treasures you are sitting upon on your piece of property in 
Suffolk. As for my part, I'm very grateful to Alex and others to have made 
this view of the world transparent to all users. If someone wants to spot 
me it costs him only a line in Telefonbuch.de and Maps and Route, anyway, 
and he gets the address and even a satellite photo of my house and garden. 
Can't get out of it today.

More: I joined this mail group beause I want to profit from the knowledge 
of others and to contribute when I can help, so we all can learn mutually 
from each other. I would be glad if there were someone near my property in 
Bavaria so we could excange directly and visit each others' places and 
workshops (and exchange rare or surplus parts, as has happened before). I 
can't see the use of anonymity here.

Best regards
Peter Blodow

At 23:32 12.04.2009, you wrote:
Steve Stallings wrote:
OK, it is working well, now could we have the sign in
on the main page give a clue to uninformed visitors
as to why they might want to register and sign in?

More particularly - why would anyone want to give out such
detailed information on an unsecure registration page with
no guarantees as to how the information might be used in the
future? I used to be shown on the old map from way back but
I see that I am not on the new one - however, I never will
be if I am required to register and broadcast my exact
property location to the world.

Ian W. Wright
Sheffield  UK

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread Rob Jansen
I have to agree with Aaron, a job well done!
I think we are the lucky guys. User density in England and the 
Netherlands is higher (per square mile) than in he US :-)
There are 408 registered users on linuxcnc.org but still less than 60 
users on the map so there is still some work to do - for the users of 
linuxcnc that is.

Cheers,

Rob


aaron moore wrote:
 Hi EMC Guys
 Really like the map, many thanks to to all those responsible. 
 However I do feel a bit out on a limb down in Cornwall UK,but  if anyone
 comes for a seaside holiday do drop in ;
 Cheers
 Aaron

   

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread Ian W. Wright
Peter Blodow wrote I wonder what treasures you are sitting 
upon on your piece of property in
Suffolk.

Hi Peter,
No use looking for me in Suffolk - I'm in Sheffield, South 
Yorkshire.. the one that's famous for the world's best 
cutlery, knives and steel !!  You would also have to look 
quite hard to find any real treasures although my home made 
and designed desktop miller and lathe combination gives me a 
lot of pleasure in the odd minutes I can take away from my, 
almost constant, grandparenting duties
I don't think I have ever been to Bavaria although I love 
Austria - I must have a browse around Bavaria on Google Earth..

Best wishes,

Ian
--
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Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread Alex Joni
I hacked the map some more, and now the markers should only be visible to 
registered users.
So if you're not signed in, you can't see any data (except the data we 
publish, like the EMC Fest location for this year).
We can also add other markers (NAMES maybe? or any other emc events..).
If you're still uncomfortable with adding your address, the City name should 
be more than enough.

Regards,
Alex


 Peter Blodow wrote I wonder what treasures you are sitting
 upon on your piece of property in
 Suffolk.

 Hi Peter,
 No use looking for me in Suffolk - I'm in Sheffield, South
 Yorkshire.. the one that's famous for the world's best
 cutlery, knives and steel !!  You would also have to look
 quite hard to find any real treasures although my home made
 and designed desktop miller and lathe combination gives me a
 lot of pleasure in the odd minutes I can take away from my,
 almost constant, grandparenting duties
 I don't think I have ever been to Bavaria although I love
 Austria - I must have a browse around Bavaria on Google Earth..

 Best wishes,

 Ian
 --
 Ian W. Wright
 Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK





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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Winter event - Cabin Fever in York, PA every January or so.




On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote:

 I hacked the map some more, and now the markers should only be visible to
 registered users.
 So if you're not signed in, you can't see any data (except the data we
 publish, like the EMC Fest location for this year).
 We can also add other markers (NAMES maybe? or any other emc events..).
 If you're still uncomfortable with adding your address, the City name
 should
 be more than enough.

 Regards,
 Alex


  Peter Blodow wrote I wonder what treasures you are sitting
  upon on your piece of property in
  Suffolk.
 
  Hi Peter,
  No use looking for me in Suffolk - I'm in Sheffield, South
  Yorkshire.. the one that's famous for the world's best
  cutlery, knives and steel !!  You would also have to look
  quite hard to find any real treasures although my home made
  and designed desktop miller and lathe combination gives me a
  lot of pleasure in the odd minutes I can take away from my,
  almost constant, grandparenting duties
  I don't think I have ever been to Bavaria although I love
  Austria - I must have a browse around Bavaria on Google Earth..
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Ian
  --
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  Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK
 





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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread Steve Stallings
Perhaps the intent of my remarks were misunderstood, or
at least buried by others concerns.

My point was that a casual visitor to the web site would
have no idea that the map or forums even existed.

For me at least, it is not possible to see any of the above
without registering and logging into the system.

Steve Stallings
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Joni [mailto:alex.j...@robcon.ro] 
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:34 PM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations
 
 I hacked the map some more, and now the markers should only 
 be visible to registered users.
 So if you're not signed in, you can't see any data (except 
 the data we publish, like the EMC Fest location for this year).
 We can also add other markers (NAMES maybe? or any other emc 
 events..).
 If you're still uncomfortable with adding your address, the 
 City name should be more than enough.
 
 Regards,
 Alex
 
 
  Peter Blodow wrote I wonder what treasures you are sitting upon on 
  your piece of property in Suffolk.
 
  Hi Peter,
  No use looking for me in Suffolk - I'm in Sheffield, South 
  Yorkshire.. the one that's famous for the world's best cutlery, 
  knives and steel !!  You would also have to look quite hard to find 
  any real treasures although my home made and designed 
 desktop miller 
  and lathe combination gives me a lot of pleasure in the odd 
 minutes I 
  can take away from my, almost constant, grandparenting duties
  I don't think I have ever been to Bavaria although I love 
 Austria - I 
  must have a browse around Bavaria on Google Earth..
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Ian
  --
  Ian W. Wright
  Sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-13 Thread saadp

Alex,

Thank you for your work. This is an awesome feature!

Sincerely,

Patrice
Portland, OR

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread John Thornton


On 11 Apr 2009 at 23:04, Alex Joni wrote:

 Hi there.
 Some quick update about this thread.
 I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some
 extensions 
 to the website www.linuxcnc.org:

SWEET!

You should see the flags on the map now...

John

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread Greg Michalski
Some folks who were already registered may want to edit - there are some
SPECIFIC addresses that could be used by mischievous or malicious folks.
:--)

I see some people are closer than I previously knew!  And some are a LOT
farther!

Greg
www.distinctperspectives.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Thornton [mailto:jet1...@semo.net]
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:03 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller EEMC
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations
 
 
 
 On 11 Apr 2009 at 23:04, Alex Joni wrote:
 
  Hi there.
  Some quick update about this thread.
  I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some
  extensions
  to the website www.linuxcnc.org:
 
 SWEET!
 
 You should see the flags on the map now...
 
 John
 


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Stallings
OK, it is working well, now could we have the sign in 
on the main page give a clue to uninformed visitors
as to why they might want to register and sign in?

Steve Stallings 

 -Original Message-
 From: John Thornton [mailto:jet1...@semo.net] 
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:03 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller EEMC
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations
 
 
 
 On 11 Apr 2009 at 23:04, Alex Joni wrote:
 
  Hi there.
  Some quick update about this thread.
  I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some 
  extensions to the website www.linuxcnc.org:
 
 SWEET!
 
 You should see the flags on the map now...
 
 John
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread stustev
This is not really a complaint as I am not sure if it is my fault or not. I can 
log on from my blackberry but will shortly need to log on again. Also, I cannot 
view the map. I tried to vote on one of the poles to see if it would work. I 
received a 403 error.
This is likely my fault and I will work to fix it.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: Steve Stallings steve...@newsguy.com

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:43:19 
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)'emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations


OK, it is working well, now could we have the sign in 
on the main page give a clue to uninformed visitors
as to why they might want to register and sign in?

Steve Stallings 

 -Original Message-
 From: John Thornton [mailto:jet1...@semo.net] 
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:03 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller EEMC
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations
 
 
 
 On 11 Apr 2009 at 23:04, Alex Joni wrote:
 
  Hi there.
  Some quick update about this thread.
  I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some 
  extensions to the website www.linuxcnc.org:
 
 SWEET!
 
 You should see the flags on the map now...
 
 John
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread Ian W. Wright
Steve Stallings wrote:
OK, it is working well, now could we have the sign in
on the main page give a clue to uninformed visitors
as to why they might want to register and sign in?

More particularly - why would anyone want to give out such 
detailed information on an unsecure registration page with 
no guarantees as to how the information might be used in the 
future? I used to be shown on the old map from way back but 
I see that I am not on the new one - however, I never will 
be if I am required to register and broadcast my exact 
property location to the world.

Ian W. Wright
Sheffield  UK

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Ian W. Wright wrote:

Steve Stallings wrote:
OK, it is working well, now could we have the sign in
on the main page give a clue to uninformed visitors
as to why they might want to register and sign in?

More particularly - why would anyone want to give out such 
detailed information on an unsecure registration page with 
no guarantees as to how the information might be used in the 
future? I used to be shown on the old map from way back but 
I see that I am not on the new one - however, I never will 
be if I am required to register and broadcast my exact 
property location to the world.
  

I understand the sentiment here, but I think there are a couple of 
misconceptions.

1) it is not required that you enter your address at all
2) if you choose to enter it, you may be as non-specific as you like.  
For instance, you can enter Sheffield, UK as your address, and the pin 
should go to the center of town.  Alternatively, you can enter a 
latitude/longitude location, if you want to put the pin somewhere else.

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-12 Thread Jon Elson
Alex Joni wrote:
 Hi there.
 Some quick update about this thread.
 I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some extensions 
 to the website www.linuxcnc.org:



 All of the above should work as advertised, but treat the service as a 
 beta-test.
   
Not just cool, but it actually works!  Thanks!!!

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-11 Thread Alex Joni
Hi there.
Some quick update about this thread.
I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some extensions 
to the website www.linuxcnc.org:

1). Now you can subscribe as an user to www.linuxcnc.org (already registered 
users should log in to update their profile data).
  When you do you can add some information about yourself, currently:
 * Address, City, State, Zipcode, Country, Homepage - text information.
 * you can also add a profile picture if you like.
  Any of the above information is not mandatory, so if you're not 
comfortable to share it, don't.
  We can extend these with any fields we can come up with (like 
phone-number, hobbies and whatnot), I'm waiting for suggestions on this.

2). Once you entered some information about yourself (location-wise), you 
should automatically appear on the LinuxCNC Users Map. If you don't, then 
either you didn't provide enough information for google to localise you 
(usually city, state, country  is enough), or something wrong happened. I'll 
try to help with the later.

3). A new user menu (this is a section with links that appears once you are 
logged in).
  Currently it contains the following links:
   * My profile (place to update your profile information, picture, etc)
   * User List (searchable list with linuxcnc.org registered users)
   * User Map (google map that contains linuxcnc.org users)

  We can add other things people usually use to this section (to make the 
site easier to navigate). Maybe link to the IRC client, or similar.

All of the above should work as advertised, but treat the service as a 
beta-test.
I don't envision any issues coming up in the future, but if there are 
serious issues (like security threats) we might consider shutting down some 
parts of this.
Please report any problems you're having either directly to me, or on the 
list.

Have fun with building our community.

Regards,
Alex


[1]
 Gentlemen,
   I will be happy to add my information and welcome visitors at any time.
 Stuart

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rob Jansen r...@myvoice.nl wrote:
 Alex,
 I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
 If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can 
 add
 a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up 
 a
 profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
 Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, 
 and
 based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)

 I will definitely add my credentials.
 Question is who else will. The frappr map has been there for some time
 but there is only a very limited amount of users on the map.

 Rob

[2] Alex on frappr..
 Don't feel bad, it works just as bad for windows too.
 I'm sorry they (frappr) provide such a bad service.
 Initially it used to work a lot better, then they changed maps between
 google and yahoo a couple times, and in the end it's simply busted.
 I'll look into an alternative, and post the results. 


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:04 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
 Hi there.
 Some quick update about this thread.
 I followed the suggestions people had ([1],[2]), and added some extensions 
 to the website www.linuxcnc.org:

Thank you Alex. It worked for me. Way cool.

Kirk
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 



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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-04 Thread Alex Joni

 Possibly because it doesn't work well with Linux systems!  I tried it,
 when it first comes up you see a satellite view for a couple seconds,
 then the whole thing goes white.  If you refresh the view, it starts
 panning all over, and seems that you have no control over what it is
 doing.  Pictures of people appear at random for a while, the earth is
 gone, just the stars for locations remain.  If this is what it does for
 others, no wonder few people use it.  Having a Windows-only app for a
 Linux-based group is not a great thing.

Don't feel bad, it works just as bad for windows too.
I'm sorry they (frappr) provide such a bad service.
Initially it used to work a lot better, then they changed maps between 
google and yahoo a couple times, and in the end it's simply busted.
I'll look into an alternative, and post the results.

Regards,
Alex



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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-04 Thread Ray Henry

Paul and I tried our own map at linuxcnc.org but keeping it up was a
real PITA.  OTOH I've seen our content drift through a number of
different services while they tried and failed to find viable business
models.

I keep wishing that someone would invent web software (wiki-map) rather
than web service (frapper, google, mapquest) that would let folk self
edit their locations/infos.

Rayh 


On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 09:02 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
 
  Possibly because it doesn't work well with Linux systems!  I tried it,
  when it first comes up you see a satellite view for a couple seconds,
  then the whole thing goes white.  If you refresh the view, it starts
  panning all over, and seems that you have no control over what it is
  doing.  Pictures of people appear at random for a while, the earth is
  gone, just the stars for locations remain.  If this is what it does for
  others, no wonder few people use it.  Having a Windows-only app for a
  Linux-based group is not a great thing.
 
 Don't feel bad, it works just as bad for windows too.
 I'm sorry they (frappr) provide such a bad service.
 Initially it used to work a lot better, then they changed maps between 
 google and yahoo a couple times, and in the end it's simply busted.
 I'll look into an alternative, and post the results.
 
 Regards,
 Alex
 
 
 
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[Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Jim Combs
What about posting a section / page on the WIKI site of users who would not
mind having someone contact them for a visit now and then.

It could be sectioned off by country, region or state.

Jim Combs - Lexington, Ky


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Alex Joni
I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can add 
a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up a 
profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, and 
based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)

Regards,
Alex


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 What about posting a section / page on the WIKI site of users who would 
 not
 mind having someone contact them for a visit now and then.

 It could be sectioned off by country, region or state.

 Jim Combs - Lexington, Ky




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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Rob Jansen
Great idea.
Might be nice for regional gatherings.
Time to point to http://www.frappr.com/emc2 again, there's a nice map of
EMC2 users - but are there really only two users in the whole of the
Netherlands? We're not that small a country !?

Cheers,

Rob

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jim Combs jco...@lexmark.com wrote:

 What about posting a section / page on the WIKI site of users who would not
 mind having someone contact them for a visit now and then.

 It could be sectioned off by country, region or state.

 Jim Combs - Lexington, Ky


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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Rob Jansen
Alex,
 I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
 If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can add 
 a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up a 
 profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
 Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, and 
 based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)
   
I will definitely add my credentials.
Question is who else will. The frappr map has been there for some time 
but there is only a very limited amount of users on the map.

Rob

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen,
   I will be happy to add my information and welcome visitors at any time.
Stuart

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rob Jansen r...@myvoice.nl wrote:
 Alex,
 I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
 If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can add
 a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up a
 profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
 Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, and
 based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)

 I will definitely add my credentials.
 Question is who else will. The frappr map has been there for some time
 but there is only a very limited amount of users on the map.

 Rob

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Jon Elson
Rob Jansen wrote:
 Alex,
   
 I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
 If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can add 
 a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up a 
 profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
 Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, and 
 based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)
   
 
 I will definitely add my credentials.
 Question is who else will. The frappr map has been there for some time 
 but there is only a very limited amount of users on the map.

   
Possibly because it doesn't work well with Linux systems!  I tried it, 
when it first comes up you see a satellite view for a couple seconds, 
then the whole thing goes white.  If you refresh the view, it starts 
panning all over, and seems that you have no control over what it is 
doing.  Pictures of people appear at random for a while, the earth is 
gone, just the stars for locations remain.  If this is what it does for 
others, no wonder few people use it.  Having a Windows-only app for a 
Linux-based group is not a great thing.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Users Locations

2009-04-03 Thread Rafael Skodlar
Jon Elson wrote:
 Rob Jansen wrote:
 Alex,
   
 I think the webpage could be a better place than the wiki.
 If there are enough people out there who are ok with doing this, we can add 
 a community-module to linuxcnc.org, so every registered user can set up a 
 profile with pictures, links, personal information, etc.
 Let me know if there are people who would consider doing such a thing, and 
 based on the feedback we'll be looking if it's worth the trouble ;)
   
 
 I will definitely add my credentials.
 Question is who else will. The frappr map has been there for some time 
 but there is only a very limited amount of users on the map.

   
 Possibly because it doesn't work well with Linux systems!  I tried it, 
 when it first comes up you see a satellite view for a couple seconds, 
 then the whole thing goes white.  If you refresh the view, it starts 
 panning all over, and seems that you have no control over what it is 
 doing.  Pictures of people appear at random for a while, the earth is 
 gone, just the stars for locations remain.  If this is what it does for 
 others, no wonder few people use it.  Having a Windows-only app for a 
 Linux-based group is not a great thing.
 
 Jon
 

That's about the same thing I see. Part of south east US is visible for
a few seconds then the random pictures appear. That website is a neat
idea but it's not standards compliant therefor unusable to many f us.

A web page with user, email, city, and possibly a link to some website
is all that's needed IMO. Those who want to get together can simply use
email. I would not object if anybody wants to advertise their business
address there.

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